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So you have NO IDEA, completely illiterate when you are faced by WHITE Man as a PROBLEM. <BR/><BR/><BR/><I>PONTIFICATING ABOUT THINGS THAT WILL NOT HELP OR STOP YOUNG BLACK MEN FROM KILLING EACH OTHER OR SOLVE A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS THAT ARE KILLING US IS A WASTE OF TIME AND A SIN IN MY OPPIONION. </I><BR/><BR/>Your weak worthless and dimunitive analytics sums up the problem of blacks as young blacks shooting each other. <BR/><BR/>Do you understand the variables involved for one person to use a gun and shoot another. The Variables span the constitution and gun laws, rights and duties of an individual, rights and duties of gun manufacturers-- bullet manufacturers, the retailers, the popo and the feds, the criminal justice system, Ethical and logical reasoning, schooling, parenthood.<BR/><BR/>Any of these VARIABLES--pick one--anyone, it is a PROBLEM for blacks. <B>This is just within the SCENE of one young BLACK KILLING another. JUST with that SCENE. </B><BR/><BR/>But most of you are weak minded who can not analyze and find patterns and draw logical conclusion by understanding the complex problem. <BR/><BR/>And this is because the lack of education. You were educated to look at things from a narrow mind, and this education was used to make you feel superior than others and as if you all are the holy solution to the problems we face. <BR/><BR/>From now on, my puprose here, is to guide you lost sheeps. Straighten out your crooked-lazy point of views. I will enlighten you until you become an arm chair revolutionary. <BR/><BR/>After that All I have to do is pinch you to get you to stand up/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149175429047081982006-06-01T11:23:00.000-04:002006-06-01T11:23:00.000-04:00Im done with it. I would rather concentrate my ene...Im done with it. I would rather concentrate my energy on solutions that help our people. MarkDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149171103366613482006-06-01T10:11:00.000-04:002006-06-01T10:11:00.000-04:00Whew brothers! When is the new "Black Crossfire" m...Whew brothers! When is the new "Black Crossfire" making its debut on FNN? :)<BR/><BR/>You guys really go at each other. I love that though, no holding back. Us black folks need more of that. BET where are you?field negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149040809617452202006-05-30T22:00:00.000-04:002006-05-30T22:00:00.000-04:00Ugz Said: If you go back to Africa, the Sudan and ...Ugz Said: If you go back to Africa, the Sudan and Mauritania, you will be RESOLD to slavery. I assure you. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark Said: This statement right here proves how stupid and crazy you are. Only a very silly, childish individual would say something like this. All the passion and rhetoric of your last 2 post, were interesting to read but I still have seen no fucking ideas on how to help your people. Ill say this again you moron, YOU SHOULD ONLY TALK ABOUT A PROBLEM ( THE WHITE MAN)LONG ENOUGH TO DECIDE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND WHAT YOUR GOING TO DO. PONTIFICATING ABOUT THINGS THAT WILL NOT HELP OR STOP YOUNG BLACK MEN FROM KILLING EACH OTHER OR SOLVE A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS THAT ARE KILLING US IS A WASTE OF TIME AND A SIN IN MY OPPIONION. But 1 thing is for sure no matter what you are and will always be an armchair revolutinary who will reads books while the rest of us suffer. How militant. MarkDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149039491458586072006-05-30T21:38:00.000-04:002006-05-30T21:38:00.000-04:00Ugz said: Not only are you weak and effeminate, yo...Ugz said: Not only are you weak and effeminate, you are divisive and idealist. You like to divide Field Negro and Denise and me when we have essentially the same ideology. <BR/><BR/>Mark said: How am I dividing you, Denise and Field Negro I havent made any suggestion on how they should feel about you. All a did was refute your bullshit. Dont get mad at me if you cant defend your stupid arguments. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Ugz said: You are cowardly and argumentative and egotistical. You are a typical house Negro who is trying to become and act like a field negro. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark said: You can call me whatever you want. The fact is I kicked you ass. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Ugz said: Who are you to criticize the NOI, or the BPs or anyone of historical importance to us. You are a nobody, old man, inconsequential to our struggle stay in your place and work on your spellings. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark said: I have just as much right to criticize the NOI and the BPs as you do Bill Cosby and Oparah. I will work on my spellings, but that still does not change the fact that I have been kicking your ass. Thats why you are angry. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Ugz said: This negro wants to find out what I do to, You are either a cop or a snitch. And you don't wanna find out what they do to those in DC you know<BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark said: I dont care what you do one way or the other, You keep talking about the white man holding us down. All Im asking is if thats true what are you going to do about. And what are you going to do to help black folk. You can try that calling me a snicth bullshit. Anyone reading the back and forth can see that you are a fool. They can also see that you are a fucking armchair revolutionary. As for the NOI I give them full credit for cleaning up black men, but the fact is Dr. King, Rosa Parks, Harry Belafonte stokely, and a whole lot of other folks were dealing with racist cops, dogs, fire houses ect while the NOI was talking up north. Thats a fact fool. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Ugz said: by the way UGZ aint no SLAVE name unlike yours-- remember stay in your place over yonder house negro quarters.<BR/><BR/>Mark Bey: By the way Ugz is a fool,an armchair revolutionary, and a weak, weak individual who would rather talk about how unfair the system is to black people and how evil white people is while black folk suffer. We suffer high Hiv rates, shorter life expectancy, large numbers of black youth bieng murdered and ending up in jail. All of these things are happening but all you can do is ask people which books they have read interesting. Our people suffer and the super duper militant militant one (Ugz) reads books. Seems to me you have read over a thousands books about african and african american studies. And yet somehow you have not managed to come up with 1 fucking idea on how you can help change our situation. As for mark bieng a slave name, what about Malcolm X , Elijah Muhamad, George Jackson. Those are European names as well fool. In case you didnt know. Like I said you are a pathetic arm chair revolutionary, you are weak all you will do is cry about the white man while others actually get out there and try to work with black men. As for me bieng an old man, hey say what you want you know where my ideas are thier on my blog. If you know so fucking much why dont you start a blog, Its free and simple to set up. No youd never do that, the reason bieng is because folks would rip your stupid ass ideas to shreds. Sad thing is your to stupid to know it. MarkDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149029186537801402006-05-30T18:46:00.000-04:002006-05-30T18:46:00.000-04:00Why lie on the books you read slim?! Field: Does t...Why lie on the books you read slim?! <BR/><BR/>Field: <BR/>Does the patriot act allow blogs to be scanned! Your blog maybe under their satellite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149028960345759442006-05-30T18:42:00.000-04:002006-05-30T18:42:00.000-04:00Not only are you weak and effeminate, you are divi...Not only are you weak and effeminate, you are divisive and idealist. You like to divide Field Negro and Denise and me when we have essentially the same ideology. <BR/><BR/>You are cowardly and argumentative and egotistical. You are a typical house Negro who is trying to become and act like a field negro. <BR/><BR/>I come from a culture who respects elder folks but your manhood by the way you write does not even demand dignity.<BR/><BR/>your analytical techniques are rudimentary. Your understanding and pattern finding skills in a given environment are non existent. <BR/><BR/>If you go back to Africa, the Sudan and Mauritania, you will be RESOLD to slavery. I assure you. <BR/><BR/>Who are you to criticize the NOI, or the BPs or anyone of historical importance to us. You are a nobody, old man, inconsequential to our struggle stay in your place and work on your spellings. <BR/><BR/>This negro wants to find out what I do to, You are either a cop or a snitch. And you don't wanna find out what they do to those in DC you know.<BR/><BR/>by the way UGZ aint no SLAVE name unlike yours-- remember stay in your place over yonder house negro quarters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149005516261419912006-05-30T12:11:00.000-04:002006-05-30T12:11:00.000-04:00Ugz said: People like you who are emotional and ze...Ugz said: People like you who are emotional and zealot and misguided are KNOWN for destroying the militancy, the manhood, the brotherly struggle in an organization such as the NOI or Black Panthers. <BR/><BR/>Your views about black struggle are effeminated and survivalist. Your views are directly inherited from republican abolitionist whites. With this talk you can only draw audience from House Negros. <BR/><BR/>You are extremely emotional and weak in the mind that your psych can be torn apart and used against our people even though you truly believe you are helping us.<BR/><BR/>People like you is what the whites are exactly looking for. Your disrespect towards other peoples identity, religion gives you a murderous zeal which the white man can exploit.<BR/><BR/>All they got to do is give you a gun and show you where Malcolm X lives...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark said: You can say what ever you want to about me, the bottom line is I will be trying make a positive difference. I have been thinking that you are fool for a while now you have just confirmed it. Just for the record Im the one saying that black men need to stand up and be men, your the one blaming man, Im the one saying that all black people need to take responsibility, you are blaming the man, Im the one comming up with ideas on how to solve our problems, you are the one complaining about the man. You call me a zealot but when I ask you time and time again all you can talk about is man. No to mentioned the fact that I kicked your ass all over field negros blog. You are an armchair revolutionary, the difference between me and you is I will be trying to do something to help young black men and our people you will be reading books and crying about the white man and doing absolutely nothing. Mark<BR/><BR/>P.S Ugz ( whatever the hell an Ugz is) for a person who is effeminate I sure have kicked your militant ass all over this blog. I guesse that would make you thrice as effeminate as you claim I am. BY THE WAY SOME OF THOSE BOOKS YOU ASK IF FOLKS HAVE READ I READ WHEN YOUR YOUNG ASS WAS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOl PLAYING DODGEBALL. READING THOSE BOOKS ARE FINE BUT AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO TURN THE INFO FROM THOSE BOOKS INTO A VIABLE AND WORKABLE PLAN TO HELP OUR PEOPLE.Also I can think of nothing more effeminate than crying about the man when black women are loosing thier sons at much higher levels than any other group of women in the country to the streets. So while I and others keep trying to make a positive difference you have fun crying about the white man. After all its the only thing you have to offer to the struggle.Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1149001358008310342006-05-30T11:02:00.000-04:002006-05-30T11:02:00.000-04:00MarK:I am not making any White man argument!You sa...MarK:<BR/><BR/>I am not making any White man argument!<BR/><BR/>You said:<BR/>Africans, the Tutsi's and Hutus in 1990s were killing themselves and not the white man. <BR/><BR/>And I responded that the Europeans were meddling with their politics, religion and ethnicity in 1990s before that and today as well in 2006. Thus the continuity and totality of white man's hedgemony. thus the white man is directlty responsible for the genocide.<BR/><BR/>This is the second time you are suggesting the NOI did not do anything when the South was attacked. Obviously you do not know much about NOI. I can't tell you about the NOI bro.<BR/><BR/>People like you who are emotional and zealot and misguided are KNOWN for destroying the militancy, the manhood, the brotherly struggle in an organization such as the NOI or Black Panthers. <BR/><BR/>Your views about black struggle are effeminated and survivalist. Your views are directly inherited from republican abolitionist whites. With this talk you can only draw audience from House Negros. <BR/><BR/>You are extremely emotional and weak in the mind that your psych can be torn apart and used against our people even though you truly believe you are helping us.<BR/><BR/>People like you is what the whites are exactly looking for. Your disrespect towards other peoples identity, religion gives you a murderous zeal which the white man can exploit.<BR/><BR/>All they got to do is give you a gun and show you where Malcolm X lives...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148958004651015562006-05-29T23:00:00.000-04:002006-05-29T23:00:00.000-04:00Ugz said: The totality and continuity of the white...Ugz said: The totality and continuity of the white mans hedgemony is indisputable whether in HERE or in Africa or Asia. Our purpose is to directly and/or find loop holes and work to better ourselves while respecting their law.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark said: Look Ugz the argument that you are making about the white man is one I was preaching when you were in elementary school. Look Ive said this before and this is what I believe to the bottom of my heart. You should only talk about a problem long enough to come up with a solution. After that you should focus your energy on solving the problem. I am getting sick of talking to you about the white man. I want to hear about what you are going to personally do to help young black males and the rest of us. The argument that you are making ( very poorly I may ad) is one I understand, but I dont buy it. Even though I use to. If you insist on talking about the white man,when we have crises that you know about going on in our comunity. Crisis that are crippling our progress. I am going to believe that you are not serious about bringing positive change to our people. Tell me what you are going to do to help change our situation. If you cant do that we have nothing do discuss. I do not have time to chit chat with arm chair revolutionaries. WHEN BLACK PEOPLE WHERE DOWN SOUTH FIGHTING AND DYING FOR THIER HUMAN RIGHTS. THE MILITANT, TOUGH TALKING NATION OF ISLAM WAS TALKING TOUGH TALK IN NORTHERN CITIES. BUT EVERYONE KNOWS THE FIGHTING WAS GOING ON DOWN SOUTH. What I wanna know is , when you are comming south ( stop talking and start helping your people) to do battle on behalf of your people. MarkDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148950990877854732006-05-29T21:03:00.000-04:002006-05-29T21:03:00.000-04:00Mark: I put the following link up a few days ago--...Mark: <BR/><BR/>I put the following link up a few days ago-- read it and understand what it means--<BR/>ugz said...<BR/><BR/> Foreigners held over Congo 'plot'<BR/> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hugz said...<BR/><BR/> Foreigners held over Congo 'plot'<BR/> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5011416.stm<BR/><BR/>The totality and continuity of the white mans hedgemony is indisputable whether in HERE or in Africa or Asia. Our purpose is to directly and/or find loop holes and work to better ourselves while respecting their law.<BR/><BR/>Each colonialist nation in Europe has a "Manifest Destiny" onto their former colonies. They are actively ACTIVELY meddling in the politics of a country from send WHITE soldiers to OVERTHROW black leaders in a black nation as you read above. I can give you plenty examples like that.<BR/><BR/>But let me ask you and Denise too a question:<BR/>Why are you doing all this-- energy and time to liberate our people ECONOMICALLY? <BR/><BR/>Also start listening to:<BR/>http://www.democracynow.org/<BR/>Mon - Fri daily NEWS from around the world-- Non Partisan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148928096753109552006-05-29T14:41:00.000-04:002006-05-29T14:41:00.000-04:00Denise that was an excellent post, when you say I ...Denise that was an excellent post, when you say I over generalize. I dont think so. But anyway the bottom line is this black folk are doing more suffering world wide than any other group of people. <BR/><BR/>Densie you are right about all of the things you mentioned in your post. <BR/>I also think we need to find a way to promote education and logical thinking amongst our people.<BR/>We should promote accountibility for our own future. <BR/>If we do this we can train our people to go over to africa and assist with the improvement of africa, thier has got to be thousands of business oppurtunities in the mother land. <BR/>We should use the churches, Naacp's, colleges and other black populated instutions to encourage an promote the value of education and learning. Like I said before good post peace. Mark<BR/><BR/>P.S When do you expected to have your blog running? I look forward to seeing it.Dangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148926673654517922006-05-29T14:17:00.000-04:002006-05-29T14:17:00.000-04:00Ugz said: Bro, this is for your knowledge, but you...Ugz said: Bro, this is for your knowledge, but you are wrong, and I aint say it, your Friend the white man even does not deny what he did in Rwanda and Congo... by the way do you know who the colonial master of Congo was, what about Rwanda? I'll bet a $100 you don't-- <BR/><BR/>I do... :)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark said: Ugz I am familiar with what went down in the congo. You are really predictable with where your coming from. If you think I have any special love for the white man you are a fool. If you think I dont love black people because I point out negative things that are holding us down, you are a bigger fool. But having said that I respect the fact that you finally answered my question. Your write the belgians promoted a lot of racial, ethnic and cultural tensions between native africans. This is true. But are you saying that in the 1990's africans who are fully capable human biengs in every way shape and form cant figure out how not to kill almost a million people in less than one year. The measure of real men and women is how you deal with adversity. The underlying principle for growth and human development is doing onto others as you would have them do unto <BR/><BR/>You <BR/>Your kids<BR/>Siblings<BR/>Property<BR/>Grandkids<BR/>Health<BR/>Human Dignity<BR/>ect.<BR/><BR/>You do not seem to understand Ugz that Africans had thier own beefs, clan, ethnic and secterian tensions. Along with their fair share of brutal traditions and tortures. . Their record on and treatment of women was and is just as bad as any other place on earth. That’s not good. You seem to think that they are free from enslaving other African’s. They ( we) are just as guilty as any other race on the planet of genocide, rape murder and every other brutal crime. No body Is innocent fool. Europe went through similar times in the middle age up until the industrial revolution. We can make progress, but we have to do something different than we‘ve been doing . I’m not absolving the white man of any guilt. But in a world where Slavery still exist in African Nations, such as Sudan and Mauritania, where black people are treated in the most inhumane way by other black people I wont absolve black people either. Period. As for your ad about predatory lending I respect your opinion but I disagree, KFC is serving a demand that people want. If people don’t want fast food don’t go to Kentucky fried chicken, If they want KFC to change their menu then send some letters into the corporate office demanding they change the it and they will. I thought your article was bogus. I got the point but I disagreed with you one of the bloggers over at dells’s (who is a coon) ripped your article to shreds. How could you let that happen dog.! Anyway Ill give you some examples of what I mean by personal responsibility<BR/><BR/>1) If your niegborhood is dirty. Anyone can put out flyers advertising a clean up day. Its not hard, <BR/><BR/>2) Every one with a college degree or good reading skills can tutor kids on reading for a few weeks out of each year <BR/><BR/>3) If organizations can do georgia ave day, a taste of dc, adam’s morgan day, ect. Then we can put together these types of events pertaining to education, parenting and community classes, ect for our kids. Spelling and Geogaraphic contest . Some of these contest can be conducted over the internet. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Mark said: Here is something specific I plan on doing in the summer of 2007 <BR/> A summer youth program that will teach job skills, community skills, and encourage community leadership. The city already has money for summer and other youth employment opportunities. They just need placement for the kids. Because a lot of places wont take them 1 because they are kids 2, because some of them have made things hard for the others by their behavior. I will try to involve the parents , to assist with bake sales and carwashes to raises any extra funds for supplies, Computers, phones, ect. Anyway Ug z this is the type of thing am talking about when I say personal responsibility. You can complain about the white man all you want , this is one of the specific things I will be attempting to make happen in order to help our people. MarkDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148880996301917862006-05-29T01:36:00.000-04:002006-05-29T01:36:00.000-04:00MARK SAID "I think [there] should be a law or some...MARK SAID "I think [there] should be a law or some other kind of mandate that say's if a women signs up for welfare she must take parenting and job training classes and pass."<BR/><BR/>UGZ SAID "Great idea. But this is just an idea. What does it take to get a law signed. Or a mandate approved. How do we go around in establishing this within the system which doesnt care about us."<BR/><BR/>I think that the this is a good idea too, Ugz, and the way you start it is locally. Or one great way, and a way that I am beginning to think may work very well is to petition the participants, (do everything, and then present them so that you make it almost impossible for them to say no) and then the sense of the community as a whole.<BR/><BR/><BR/>UGZ SAID,"Somebody has to stand up for this IDEA and talk and Lobby about it until it is fulfilled. Because Mark writing about it on his blog is no solution." <BR/><BR/>"Then How do you implement this gracious ideas you come up with."<BR/> <BR/>see above<BR/><BR/><BR/>UGZ SAID,"Remember in an earlier Post I proposed the creation for an organization of a sort of ADL only for our interest."<BR/> <BR/>Add to its aim:<BR/>7. Getting welfare mothers parenting lessons.<BR/><BR/><BR/>It's aim being:<BR/>1. Speaking and Lobbying against Media Bias<BR/><BR/>Again, you have to go into the communities... it would take someone with a "voice" for it to get out to a much larger audience at once.... you talk to the people ask them what they think of such and such; and then ask they do not support such efforts. The other side of that coin is if then we would rather see some African Americans out of jobs and our souls intact or not?<BR/><BR/>2. Advertising and Lobbying For Investment in Black Areas<BR/><BR/>But before that We have to establish businesses in those areas ourselves (it is happening); then go in and have others invest in the businesses that are already there...that can lead to jobs for those working in the community...and then branch off into even more businesses.<BR/><BR/>3. Speaking and Lobbying Against Police discrimination and brutality<BR/><BR/>We have to do a better job of taking care of our children... We have to first keep them out of the police radar.... and out of the criminal just(us) system, then and only then can We lobby<BR/><BR/>4. Advocating global African American interests<BR/><BR/>What are global AA interests... explain... and then I can tell you what I think<BR/><BR/>5. Create a database of educational and research material on "HATE" attacks on blacks<BR/><BR/>they already do that; i'd rather We work on eliminating them... and that could be easy too... Create a database of Blacks and Black establishments worldwide that would take care and cater to Us whereever We go.... that way no one has to be alone in a new place, they can be comfortable etc.... this can go a long way. <BR/><BR/>6. Produce an ANNUAL study of Political and Economic<BR/><BR/>this already exists<BR/><BR/>what do you think...<BR/>rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr<BR/><BR/>I am kind of iffy on this list, some of these things are window dressing type things... and I don't think that they will have any real impact on individuals. As far as numbers 5 and 6 those are already done.... and usually by White folk; but Black folk put them out too.<BR/><BR/>But you are thinking Ugz, I love that. These ideas don't have to wait for society as a whole to do for Us; in fact it would be better that We do this... We need ownership of Our Own future(.)<BR/><BR/><BR/>I am going to recreate my blog or transform my yahoo group.... so that We can post Our thoughts... and then get them to the people who matter.... We can do this... We must also utilize the internet for such purposes.<BR/><BR/>What groups are any of you familiar with that thinks along similiar lines and may be able to help with this?<BR/><BR/>This can be the beginning of REPARATIONS.<BR/><BR/>OR at least an EVOLUTIONAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148853530085121942006-05-28T17:58:00.000-04:002006-05-28T17:58:00.000-04:00And just so you know Mark, I speak about problems ...And just so you know Mark, I speak about problems you never thought existed.<BR/><BR/>On Dell website, I wrote an article about KFC and your reply missed my thesis-- the main idea of my article which was, corporations advertise in a predatory manner to the black community.<BR/><BR/>My thesis is putting forth the argument that predatory advertising is hurting our community -- Not the WELL KNOWN FACT that EATING KFC is hurting our community. understand?<BR/><BR/>as long as I reach you, and you put an effort to understand what I say-- I am happy-- as Denise noted you generalize a little too much, and I do not like that-- other than that I like youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148853074678237492006-05-28T17:51:00.001-04:002006-05-28T17:51:00.001-04:00Mark: You cited the Hutu-Tutsi conflict and said t...Mark: <BR/><BR/>You cited the Hutu-Tutsi conflict and said the white man aint did nothing right. <BR/><BR/>Bro, this is for your knowledge, but you are wrong, and I aint say it, your Friend the white man even does not deny what he did in Rwanda and Congo... by the way do you know who the colonial master of Congo was, what about Rwanda? I'll bet a $100 you don't-- <BR/><BR/>I do... :)<BR/><BR/>here is the wikipedia entry -- under the Colonial Africa heading--<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa<BR/><BR/>--<BR/>Europeans often changed the balance of power, created ethnic divides where they did not previously exist, and introduced a cultural dichotomy detrimental to the native inhabitants in the areas they controlled. For example, in what is now Rwanda and Burundi, two ethnic groups Hutus and Tutsis had merged into one culture by the time Belgian colonists had taken control of the region in the nineteenth century. No longer divided by ethnicity as intermingling, intermarriage, and merging of cultural practices over the centuries had long since erased visible signs of a culture divide, the Belgians instituted a policy of racial categorization, upon taking control of the region, as racial based categorization and philosophies was a fixture of the European culture of that time. The term Hutu originally referred to the agricultural-based Bantu-speaking tribes that moved into present day Rwandan and Burundi from the West, and the term Tutsi referred to Northeastern cattle-based tribes that migrated into the region later. The terms to the indigenous peoples eventually came to describe a person's economic class. Individuals who owned roughly 10 or more cattle were considered Tutsi, and those with fewer were considered Hutu, regardless of ancestral history. This was not a strict line but a general rule of thumb, and one could move from Hutu to Tutsi and vice versa.<BR/><BR/>The Belgians introduced a racialised system. Individuals who had characteristics the Europeans admired — fairer skin, ample height, narrow noses, etc. — were given power amongst the colonized peoples. The Belgians determined these features were more ideally Hamitic, and in turn more ideally European and belonged to those people closest to Tutsi in ancestry. They instituted a policy of issuing identity cards based on this philosophy. Those closest to this ideal were proclaimed Tutsi and those not were proclaimed Hutu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148853066003378552006-05-28T17:51:00.000-04:002006-05-28T17:51:00.000-04:00Mark: You cited the Hutu-Tutsi conflict and said t...Mark: <BR/><BR/>You cited the Hutu-Tutsi conflict and said the white man aint did nothing right. <BR/><BR/>Bro, this is for your knowledge, but you are wrong, and I aint say it, your Friend the white man even does not deny what he did in Rwanda and Congo... by the way do you know who the colonial master of Congo was, what about Rwanda? I'll bet a $100 you don't-- <BR/><BR/>I do... :)<BR/><BR/>here is the wikipedia entry -- under the Colonial Africa heading--<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa<BR/><BR/>--<BR/>Europeans often changed the balance of power, created ethnic divides where they did not previously exist, and introduced a cultural dichotomy detrimental to the native inhabitants in the areas they controlled. For example, in what is now Rwanda and Burundi, two ethnic groups Hutus and Tutsis had merged into one culture by the time Belgian colonists had taken control of the region in the nineteenth century. No longer divided by ethnicity as intermingling, intermarriage, and merging of cultural practices over the centuries had long since erased visible signs of a culture divide, the Belgians instituted a policy of racial categorization, upon taking control of the region, as racial based categorization and philosophies was a fixture of the European culture of that time. The term Hutu originally referred to the agricultural-based Bantu-speaking tribes that moved into present day Rwandan and Burundi from the West, and the term Tutsi referred to Northeastern cattle-based tribes that migrated into the region later. The terms to the indigenous peoples eventually came to describe a person's economic class. Individuals who owned roughly 10 or more cattle were considered Tutsi, and those with fewer were considered Hutu, regardless of ancestral history. This was not a strict line but a general rule of thumb, and one could move from Hutu to Tutsi and vice versa.<BR/><BR/>The Belgians introduced a racialised system. Individuals who had characteristics the Europeans admired — fairer skin, ample height, narrow noses, etc. — were given power amongst the colonized peoples. The Belgians determined these features were more ideally Hamitic, and in turn more ideally European and belonged to those people closest to Tutsi in ancestry. They instituted a policy of issuing identity cards based on this philosophy. Those closest to this ideal were proclaimed Tutsi and those not were proclaimed Hutu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148745404152053222006-05-27T11:56:00.000-04:002006-05-27T11:56:00.000-04:00Mark:What you don't understand me is that you are ...Mark:<BR/><BR/>What you don't understand me is that you are slowly reaching me. But I understand you are an emotional person. <BR/><BR/>As far as making a positive difference, you have my 100% support. And I mean that. Mark, there is a book that Dell, referred me to. If you have to read any books I mentioned please read this, it is called Powernomics by Claud Anderson. It not only shows problems of what we feel but offer real world solution.<BR/><BR/>Denise: <BR/><I>An even bigger mistake is to wait for African Americans of means to pull together and do anything.</I><BR/><BR/>I understand Denise. <BR/><BR/>So now when you are talking about each one of us individually having a stake in our developmen-- for instance let me give you an example from Mark's article on <I> How to get Young black Youth Reading and Writing on thier correct level.</I><BR/><BR/>He writes:<BR/><I>I think thier should be a law or some other kind of mandate that say's if a women signs up for welfare she must take parenting and job training classes and pass.</I><BR/><BR/>Great idea. But this is just an idea. What does it take to get a law signed. Or a mandate approved. How do we go around in establishing this within the system which doesnt care about us.<BR/><BR/>Somebody has to stand up for this IDEA and talk and Lobby about it until it is fulfilled. Because Mark writing about it on his blog is no solution. <BR/><BR/>Then How do you implement this gracious ideas you come up with. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Remember in an earlier Post I proposed the creation for an organization of a sort of ADL only for our interest. <BR/><BR/>Add to its aim:<BR/>7. Getting welfare mothers parenting lessons.<BR/><BR/> <BR/>It's aim being:<BR/>1. Speaking and Lobbying against Media Bias<BR/><BR/>2. Advertising and Lobbying For Investment in Black Areas<BR/><BR/>3. Speaking and Lobbying Against Police discrimination and brutality<BR/><BR/>4. Advocating global African American interests<BR/><BR/>5. Create a database of educational and research material on "HATE" attacks on blacks<BR/><BR/>6. Produce an ANNUAL study of Political and Economic<BR/><BR/><BR/>what do you think...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148734560037781532006-05-27T08:56:00.000-04:002006-05-27T08:56:00.000-04:00Ugz,We have spent too too much time waiting for Wh...Ugz,<BR/><BR/>We have spent too too much time waiting for White People to understand Racism, Discrimination, and all the other isms and ations that are in collusion with such thinking.<BR/><BR/>An even bigger mistake is to wait for African Americans of means to pull together and do anything.<BR/><BR/>Honestly I believe that many of Us in the African American community who make it are kind of ashamed of Ourselves and at some point it manifests into a bigotry or hatred... it is sad; but I digress.<BR/><BR/>Now don't get what I am saying twisted; I have never been a big Oprah fan, and I am still not...but I am always thankful and appreciative of what she does do for Our community. She does not have to do that; no one does...when they do I look at it as a bonus of sorts... nothing more, nothing less... and I hope that before she quits she makes it to trillionaire status...<BR/>I like Bill Cosby. He too has been one to give to the community in so many ways... his pain with Our community is genuine... Mark's pain is genuine too; and like Cosby he makes broad generalizations - that can get to a point that makes them null and void.<BR/><BR/>What I am trying to say to you is that there are in my estimation more than 40 million African Americans in this country - I am sure of it. It doesn't even take all of Us (and to be quite honest most of Black Republicans and Libertarians, who I look to as rapists anyway, have no voice in Our struggle and have no place in Our self - redemption).<BR/><BR/>Things will have to start locally unless We can get someone with a voice to get Us moving in a united and transitive manner; but who?<BR/><BR/>I think that someone like a Tavis Smiley can do such; but lately I have been feeling a little sketchy on Brother Tavis... but on the upside he has a track record in the fact that more than a year ago he came up with a plan to put Our thoughts in a book... and then to have Us publish said book... I respect him for that... We just have to plan.<BR/><BR/>I think too, that it would be better for Us if all of Us have a part in the solutions... and each have a stake in it's success.<BR/><BR/>This way We give Ourselves Reparations that NO ONE CAN EVER PUT ANY ARBITRARY STIPULATIONS ON; AND IT TAKES US OFF OF THE AUCTION BLOCK AND AT THE WHIMS OF OTHERS WHO DON'T HAVE OUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.<BR/><BR/>But, contracting with others to help Us get this kind of thing on the fast track can work too. I want to contact Bob Johnson and Earl Graves, myself.<BR/><BR/>You asked in one post about the ADL and NAACP?<BR/><BR/>The same people run/own both organizations.<BR/>I think the ADL is full of hatemongers to be honest... and I think that the Jews who run the NAACP keep them fighting the same lame issues over and over and never ever doing anything substantive that can help Our community. This year, 2006 is the first year of my life that they have not gotten a donation.<BR/><BR/>Follow me if you please.<BR/>1. I don't give a damn about the confederate flag. It is a losing battle tag; and if anyone should be wearing confederate t-shirts it should be Us; the slogan being, I beat this.<BR/><BR/>2. The NAACP spent millions fighting for Niggeroes to have a party in the Carolinas. The White folk and others didn't want them there.... they got some concessions and the Niggeroes had their party, gave the White folk and others millions of their dollars; and to spit in the eye of Our ancestors they has a confederate flag bathing suit contest.<BR/><BR/>300,000 Clowns in Black Face on Parade - 300,000 Niggeroes who didn't have the wherewithall to take those fees from each member, buy some land, start building a hotel, get the community to sell goods to the participants!!!!<BR/><BR/>Florida where Black Men get shot down by police like ducks in the water; where Rappers are under COINTELPRO programs...yet the NAACP still go in and give them millions at a damn conference.<BR/><BR/>To me that is backwards.<BR/><BR/>NAACP could easily set up entrepreneurial workshops and start-up capital for businesses...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148705858250105762006-05-27T00:57:00.000-04:002006-05-27T00:57:00.000-04:00Ugz you have really exposed yourself this time. Im...Ugz you have really exposed yourself this time. Im sure millions of our people who are suffering, starving, and without hope have plenty of time to wait for that to happen. Anyway I will be trying to make a positive difference. As for reaching you that is impossible. MarkDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148686875520335592006-05-26T19:41:00.000-04:002006-05-26T19:41:00.000-04:00What dont you understand Sir?I am trying to tell y...What dont you understand Sir?<BR/><BR/><B>I am trying to tell you, that YOU must get the HOUSE NIGGERS to put their money where their MOUTH is. </B><BR/><BR/>it is in bold... so you know i told ya<BR/><BR/>-Get Cosby to Open a Elementary school:<BR/><BR/>-Get that woman to Open a Hospital:<BR/><BR/>Once you do that you will get the backing of me and many of my peers to invest in personal responsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148612658673413432006-05-25T23:04:00.000-04:002006-05-25T23:04:00.000-04:00Ugz you do not listen what are you suggesting we d...Ugz you do not listen what are you suggesting we do. And please answer my questions. <BR/>When you have people who disagree, but need to work together the best way to start is to find out where both or more parties agree at. If you dont answer questions how can I find out exactly where your comming from. Im not saying that all of this gets dumped on the youth, these are common problems we (black folk) have, they require a common solution. If you are serious then why cant you just say what you think we should do about these problems that affect black folk negatively. Ugz Ill be honest I have read some of the back and forth with you. Its like Im banging my head against a wall. Ive asked you at least 4 or five times. Ok maybe my way wouldnt be best I can accept that, but you have not presented any coherent alternative. The only thing you have done is tell me that you disagree with me. Please for crying out loud, our people are suffering if you want to make a difference tell what you would do. I read and then reread your last post in order to understand where you are comming from. But I cant figure it out. Im going to ask you this 1 more time, if you dont answer then Im through attempting to reason with you. Because you are not bieng reseanable. If you look back over the debate you will clearly see I have attempted to answer your questions, most of mine you have not answered. How that fair, how can we come to mutually agreable solutions when <BR/><BR/> Dont say what it is you would do to change these problems. <BR/><BR/>What really anoys about you is that you talk about our pain and suffering but offer no suggestions on how to alleviate. I tired of getting nowhere with you. Im going to say this point blank If you cant<BR/>give me your thoughts on what we need to do to change problems causing us pain. I see no reason for me to talk you. I will not talk forever about a problem and do nothing this is how I see you. To be honest you are really starting to piss me off. MarkDangerfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01881999761526327887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148606321521290122006-05-25T21:18:00.000-04:002006-05-25T21:18:00.000-04:00Mark, thats why I am afraid you will fell. If you ...Mark, <BR/><BR/>thats why I am afraid you will fell. If you do not catch me, believe me, BELIVE ME you will never catch the younger youth. <BR/><BR/>I told you my age because Personal Responsibility is an individualist pragmatic approach. It inherently defeats the "Nobody Cares about US but Us" approach. Because when you say Personal Responsibility, with the Defintion of Responsibility being:<BR/>acquiring the American dream, eating dinner with father and son, going to the park and museum, making love to your woman 3 times a week... a Van and a Sedan in the garage... <BR/> <BR/>Come on Mark, you are hopes and aspirations to the black youth un-achievable on the grounds of alienation.<BR/><BR/>But if we talk about, Oprah opened a new hospital in SE DC, Bill Cosby opened a Chain of Elementary schools in urban areas of Philly or NJ.. this is truly speaking to us. The disillusioned, the confused. <BR/><BR/>FN:<BR/>Good modificationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1148603436283640752006-05-25T20:30:00.000-04:002006-05-25T20:30:00.000-04:00Sorry guys, it seems I have a spam problem. No big...Sorry guys, it seems I have a spam problem. No biggie, I will have to make some minor adjustments though.<BR/><BR/>Peace.<BR/><BR/>FNfield negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.com