tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post1190856863526975191..comments2024-03-29T06:00:43.974-04:00Comments on field negro: If you build it....field negrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comBlogger258125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-45365682845732737952010-08-15T09:52:03.246-04:002010-08-15T09:52:03.246-04:00[quote:anony]hat eye want to know is how much of a...[quote:anony]hat eye want to know is how much of a problem this causes in the interpretations of the scriptures[/quote]<br /><br />Who gives a kipper's dick?<br /><br />It's just religion.The Purple Cowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455065546313599875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-3707113886561248262010-08-14T01:43:11.338-04:002010-08-14T01:43:11.338-04:00Omar thanks for explaining that to me in ur long w...Omar thanks for explaining that to me in ur long winded but informative way and pc that is interesting too although eye dont think that most think sex with a fifteen year old is morally reprehensible to the degree that they think sex with a NINE or TEN year old is morally outrageous what eye want to know is how much of a problem this causes in the interpretations of the scripturesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-500051677880552102010-08-13T16:25:24.014-04:002010-08-13T16:25:24.014-04:00@No_slappz
"You mentioned the Oklahoma City ...@No_slappz<br /><br />"You mentioned the Oklahoma City bombing by Tim McVeigh as though he committed his murderous act in the name of Jesus."<br /><br />Maybe you thinks that matters to the dead people. Christians kill people, muslims kill people, basically people kill people.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-8077980435884182562010-08-13T16:22:20.843-04:002010-08-13T16:22:20.843-04:00@Anonymous then here is the last of it:
Accordin...@Anonymous then here is the last of it:<br /><br /><br />According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab (ra). This shows that Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Ayesha's (ra) marriage at seven years of age is held to be true, Ayesha (ra) should not have been born during the first year of Islam.<br />Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am -- with whose son Ayesha (ra) was engaged -- and asked him to take Ayesha (ra) in his house as his son's wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam, and subsequently his son divorced Ayesha (ra). Now, if Ayesha (ra) was only seven years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Ayesha (ra) had not only been born 8 years before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage.<br /><br />According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of Khadijah (ra), when Khaulah (ra) came to the Prophet (pbuh) advising him to marry again, the Prophet (pbuh) asked her regarding the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: "You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)". When the Prophet (pbuh) asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Ayesha's (ra) name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware that the word "bikr" in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine year old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier is "Jariyah". "Bikr" on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a nine year old is not a "lady".<br />According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than Ayesha (ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha (ra) could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.<br /> <br /><br />These are some of the major points that go against accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) age at the time of her marriage.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-14788224402516087742010-08-13T16:21:14.374-04:002010-08-13T16:21:14.374-04:00@Anonymous
Here's more of it:
According to a...@Anonymous<br /><br />Here's more of it:<br /><br />According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). It is reported in Taqri'bu'l-tehzi'b as well as Al-bidayah wa'l-nihayah that Asma (ra) died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma (ra) was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra), if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.<br />Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (ra) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the Jahiliyyah -- the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if Ayesha (ra) was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH -- the time she most likely got married.<br /><br />According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab (ra). This shows that Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Ayesha's (ra) marriage at seven years of age is held to be true, Ayesha (ra) should not have been born during the first year of Islam.<br />Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am -- with whose son Ayesha (ra) was engaged -- and asked him to take Ayesha (ra) in his house as his son's wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam, and subsequently his son divorced Ayesha (ra). Now, if Ayesha (ra) was only seven years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Ayesha (ra) had not only been born 8 years before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-5004065599966920902010-08-13T16:17:15.253-04:002010-08-13T16:17:15.253-04:00@Anonymous,
You apparently only read the first pa...@Anonymous,<br /><br />You apparently only read the first paragraph the rest goes on to show the inconsistencies in the source of information that says she was nine. She was likely older but a relatively young woman. But an exact age may not be knowable.<br /><br />Here is the rest:<br /><br />To begin with, I think it is the responsibility of all those who believe that marrying a girl as young as nine years old was an accepted norm of the Arab culture, to provide at least a few examples to substantiate their point of view. I have not yet been able to find a single dependable instance in the books of Arab history where a girl as young as nine years old was given away in marriage. Unless such examples are given, we do not have any reasonable grounds to believe that it really was an accepted norm. <br /><br />In my opinion, the age of Ayesha (ra) has been grossly mis-reported in the ahadith. Not only that, I think that the narratives reporting this event are not only highly unreliable but also that on the basis of other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely happening. Let us look at the issue from an objective stand point. My reservations in accepting the narratives, on the basis of which, Ayeshas (ra) age at the time of her marriage with the Prophet (pbuh) is held to be nine years are:<br /><br />Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.<br /><br />It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy one years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have had shifted after living in Medinah for seventy one years.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-37370543223015871162010-08-13T16:14:39.672-04:002010-08-13T16:14:39.672-04:00@Anonymous,
You apparently only read the first pa...@Anonymous,<br /><br />You apparently only read the first paragraph the rest goes on to show the inconsistencies in the source of information that says she was nine. She was likely older but a relatively young woman. But an exact age may not be knowable.<br /><br />Here is the rest:<br /><br />To begin with, I think it is the responsibility of all those who believe that marrying a girl as young as nine years old was an accepted norm of the Arab culture, to provide at least a few examples to substantiate their point of view. I have not yet been able to find a single dependable instance in the books of Arab history where a girl as young as nine years old was given away in marriage. Unless such examples are given, we do not have any reasonable grounds to believe that it really was an accepted norm.<br /><br />In my opinion, the age of Ayesha (ra) has been grossly mis-reported in the ahadith. Not only that, I think that the narratives reporting this event are not only highly unreliable but also that on the basis of other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely happening. Let us look at the issue from an objective stand point. My reservations in accepting the narratives, on the basis of which, Ayeshas (ra) age at the time of her marriage with the Prophet (pbuh) is held to be nine years are:<br /><br />Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.<br /><br />It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy one years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have had shifted after living in Medinah for seventy one years.<br /><br />Tehzibu'l-tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: "narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq. (vol 11, pg 48 - 51)<br />Mizanu'l-ai`tidal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly. (vol 4, pg 301 - 302)<br /><br />According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha (ra) was born about eight years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) Ayesha (ra) is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an, was revealed, "I was a young girl". The 54th surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Ayesha (ra) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn `urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah, why we should not accept this narrative to be more accurate.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-73393829588300260602010-08-13T16:13:48.167-04:002010-08-13T16:13:48.167-04:00@Anonymous,
You apparently only read the first pa...@Anonymous,<br /><br />You apparently only read the first paragraph the rest goes on to show the inconsistencies in the source of information that says she was nine. She was likely older but a relatively young woman. But an exact age may not be knowable.<br /><br />Here is the rest:<br /><br />To begin with, I think it is the responsibility of all those who believe that marrying a girl as young as nine years old was an accepted norm of the Arab culture, to provide at least a few examples to substantiate their point of view. I have not yet been able to find a single dependable instance in the books of Arab history where a girl as young as nine years old was given away in marriage. Unless such examples are given, we do not have any reasonable grounds to believe that it really was an accepted norm.<br /><br />In my opinion, the age of Ayesha (ra) has been grossly mis-reported in the ahadith. Not only that, I think that the narratives reporting this event are not only highly unreliable but also that on the basis of other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely happening. Let us look at the issue from an objective stand point. My reservations in accepting the narratives, on the basis of which, Ayeshas (ra) age at the time of her marriage with the Prophet (pbuh) is held to be nine years are:<br /><br />Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.<br /><br />It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy one years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have had shifted after living in Medinah for seventy one years.<br /><br />Tehzibu'l-tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: "narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq". It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq. (vol 11, pg 48 - 51)<br />Mizanu'l-ai`tidal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory suffered quite badly. (vol 4, pg 301 - 302)<br /><br />According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha (ra) was born about eight years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) Ayesha (ra) is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an, was revealed, "I was a young girl". The 54th surah of the Qur'an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Ayesha (ra) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn `urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah, why we should not accept this narrative to be more accurate.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-5095151335479296512010-08-13T16:08:02.429-04:002010-08-13T16:08:02.429-04:00"Iran and Iraq fought an 8-year war that kill..."Iran and Iraq fought an 8-year war that killed about a million people"<br /><br />How many people died in Vietnam here is a hint it was more than a million. <br /><br />"That strategy is still working in Africa."<br /><br />Africa is more religiously diverse than Europe or the middle east because the types of things you are talking about are largely fictitious.<br /><br />"Anyway, the Nobel awards have been around for over 100 years and over that time about 600 Nobel prizes have been awarded. Inasmuch as muslims account for about 20% of the world's population, you might estimate they would have gotten 20% of the Nobel prizes. Nope."<br /><br />First of all the first half of that 100 years most of the world lived under European colonial occupation and second of all the most prizes tend to go to the richest countries because they have resources to support the most research. That is just common sense. Hindu's have 15% of the world's population they don't have 15% of the prizes and it isn't because of religion. the same goes for China.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-86028048424409811132010-08-13T16:07:32.935-04:002010-08-13T16:07:32.935-04:00@ no_slappz
"There's no evidence of a de...@ no_slappz<br /><br />"There's no evidence of a desire within muslim nations for democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, plurality or equality."<br /><br />First of all you wouldn't know and second if it was that easy to change a government there would've never been any dictatorships anywhere.<br /><br />"Muslim nations are backward cesspools because they are islamic. With only a couple of exceptions, muslim nations are poor, and their poverty is a direct result of practicing islam."<br /><br />This doesn't account for the non-muslim countries that are backward and completely doesn't account for the period of time when the middle east was more prosperous than Europe. This has much less to do with religion and more to do with economic factors but you can continue to believe whatever supports your bigotry.<br /><br />"The 1,400-year history is crammed with violent conquests and bloody seizures of territory. As I said, the Ottoman Empire was built by conquest."<br /><br />Nothing within that time is anywhere near as bloody as what Europeans have done, muslims didn't nearly wipeout a continent of people.<br /><br />"The conquered populations were given a choice of becoming islamic or dying."<br /><br />Like I said this was largely a myth there were more christians converted by force whch is why none of the old religions are still in Europe but there are still christians in the middle east and why muslims were successful against the romans because they didn't have to deal with local revolts if they converted people by force there would've been many local revolts.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-27971009861788603412010-08-13T16:06:49.334-04:002010-08-13T16:06:49.334-04:00@ no_slappz
"There's no evidence of a de...@ no_slappz<br /><br />"There's no evidence of a desire within muslim nations for democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, plurality or equality."<br /><br />First of all you wouldn't know and second if it was that easy to change a government there would've never been any dictatorships anywhere.<br /><br />"Muslim nations are backward cesspools because they are islamic. With only a couple of exceptions, muslim nations are poor, and their poverty is a direct result of practicing islam."<br /><br />This doesn't account for the non-muslim countries that are backward and completely doesn't account for the period of time when the middle east was more prosperous than Europe. This has much less to do with religion and more to do with economic factors but you can continue to believe whatever supports your bigotry.<br /><br />"The 1,400-year history is crammed with violent conquests and bloody seizures of territory. As I said, the Ottoman Empire was built by conquest."<br /><br />Nothing within that time is anywhere near as bloody as what Europeans have done, muslims didn't nearly wipeout a continent of people.<br /><br />"The conquered populations were given a choice of becoming islamic or dying."<br /><br />Like I said this was largely a myth there were more christians converted by force whch is why none of the old religions are still in Europe but there are still christians in the middle east and why muslims were successful against the romans because they didn't have to deal with local revolts if they converted people by force there would've been many local revolts.<br /><br />"Iran and Iraq fought an 8-year war that killed about a million people"<br /><br />How many people died in Vietnam here is a hint it was more than a million. <br /><br />"That strategy is still working in Africa."<br /><br />Africa is more religiously diverse than Europe or the middle east because the types of things you are talking about are largely fictitious.<br /><br />"Anyway, the Nobel awards have been around for over 100 years and over that time about 600 Nobel prizes have been awarded. Inasmuch as muslims account for about 20% of the world's population, you might estimate they would have gotten 20% of the Nobel prizes. Nope."<br /><br />First of all the first half of that 100 years most of the world lived under European colonial occupation and second of all the most prizes tend to go to the richest countries because they have resources to support the most research. That is just common sense. Hindu's have 15% of the world's population they don't have 15% of the prizes and it isn't because of religion. the same goes for China.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10973770036220443882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-919869317219670112010-08-13T15:13:56.570-04:002010-08-13T15:13:56.570-04:00uptownsteve said...
"Black folks built this c...uptownsteve said...<br />"Black folks built this country.<br /><br />Provided the foundation of wealth that first established America as a superpower.<br /><br />WE set the table, furnished thehouse and everyone else just sat down to eat."<br /><br />HA HA HA! You sho' is a funny negro, uptown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-66117587661936131272010-08-13T13:27:26.113-04:002010-08-13T13:27:26.113-04:00Ahhh, Anonny, you are a ‘concern-troll’ I should h...Ahhh, Anonny, you are a ‘concern-troll’ I should have guessed earlier.<br /><br />Aisha was ten at the age of her betrothal, at that age she had already been engaged to somebody else so she must have beeen approaching majority.. We know that she must have been about ten because Mohammad’s daughter Fatima said that she was born five years before the call and she was five years older than Aisha. Aisha also says that she was a young girl when the 54th chapter of the Qu’ran was revealed, which we know was revealed at least six years before the call, so she could not have been less than ten years old. We know from contemporary records that the marriage was consummated some five years after the betrothal in the second year of Hijra. So she was a minimum of fourteen year old when she lost her virginity and more likely fifteen.<br /><br />Back in the day, this wasn’t particularly unusual. Life expectancy for Aisha would have been to her mid-30’s and child mortality rates were exceptionally high. So it was necessary to have lots of kids and to start early. It’s important not to be tempted to impose 21st Century American cultural values on a bunch of sheep rustlers living 1500 years ago.<br /><br />As far as your point about various religions encouraging paedophilia goes, I’m afraid being an atheist I wouldn’t know. Though from what I‘ve heard it’s the Catholic church that has the hold on that tendency.The Purple Cowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455065546313599875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-6137767729082220102010-08-13T03:46:27.393-04:002010-08-13T03:46:27.393-04:00Oh I see, you are a 'concern troll' - I sh...Oh I see, you are a 'concern troll' - I should have worked that out earlier.<br /><br />As I'm sure you know, Mohammad became betrothed to Aisha because he wanted to strengthen his ties with Abu Bakr. This was fairly common practice in medievil times.<br /><br />Mohammad's daughter Fatima says that she was born five years before The Call and that she was five years older than Aisha. So this means that Aisha must have been about 10 years old at the time of the betrothal. This is further backed up by Aisha herself who says that she remembers the 54th chapter of the Qu'ran (entitled 'The Moon') being revealed when she was a young girl. Now we know that this chapter was revealed at least six years before 'The Call' - which again suggests she was about 10 at the time of the betrothal. We know that the consumation of the marriage took place in the second year of the Hijra, in the tenth year of The Call. All of this suggests that Aisha was about 15 years old when she lost her virginity.<br /><br />Now, I know what you are going to say before you say it. But you have to be very careful imposing 21st century American values on the behavior of middle-eastern sheep rustlers some 1500 years ago. Everything happened earlier in those days because for the simple reason that people didn't live very long.<br /><br /> Aisha would have been very lucky to live to see her fortieth birthday, and the child mortality rate of the day would ensure that every family would have lost some children to disease and hunger. So there was a real importance in beginning the process of procreating earlier than today. <br /><br />Now sitting here in a modern industrialized state, we can say that sex with 15 year old girls is wrong, but these were different times and a very different place. <br /><br />As for religions supporting paedophilia I wouldn't know. I'm an atheist myself so I haven't studied the subject to any degree. But given that all religions are fundamentally evil, it wouldn't surprise me.The Purple Cowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455065546313599875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-19284589920904121342010-08-12T18:28:41.713-04:002010-08-12T18:28:41.713-04:00oh pc and lest u think eyem joking eyve read the p...oh pc and lest u think eyem joking eyve read the parts of the Talmud where they talk about 'throwing guilt' when it cmes to molesting boys under the age of nine the book is sanhedrin section 54 and honestly that seems like it endorses pedophilia too<br /><br />thoughts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-80329156460236811612010-08-12T18:27:30.651-04:002010-08-12T18:27:30.651-04:00pc eye agree with ur assessment of noballsack but ...pc eye agree with ur assessment of noballsack but can u answer the question eye posed about the honorable prophets' relationship with Aisha?<br /><br />eye still aint got a strate answer and it seems wrong to me eye dont want to apply personal bigotry to the analysis but it seems like the prophet was a pedophile for having sex with a nine year old!<br /><br />eyve read about their relationship in the Koran and am baffled because the Hadiths have not condemned pedophilia of this type and that IS WRONG!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-24684748947832512972010-08-12T18:09:23.560-04:002010-08-12T18:09:23.560-04:00no slapzz, firstly you seriously need to get a lif...no slapzz, firstly you seriously need to get a life.<br /><br /> This anti-Muslim bigotry of yours is edging towards being a seriously weird obsession. I'm guessing you're the sort of guy who harangues people at bus stops, whilst dressed in a greasy over-coat and two odd shoes. <br /><br />Secondly, do you have a PhD in being wrong? <br /><br />Because you are just plain wrong about everything - it's incredible. All these alleged facts of yours are just wrong. Now most people are wrong some of the time, some are wrong most of the time. But you take wrongness to a new dimension.<br /><br />I know your type, I've come across weirdos like you before. You hang around on extremist anti-Islamic hate sites like jihadwatch, and pick up little bits of miss-information, lies and propaganda which you pass on to any other morons dumb enough to believe it on sites like this.<br /><br />I'm guessing your religious bigotry is now your only reason for living. It's the only thing that gives your sad little life meaning, isn't it?<br /><br />Why don;t you develop some outside interests? Take up a sport, join a book club. Anything to get you out of this tail-spin your life has become.The Purple Cowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455065546313599875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-69016354031885551122010-08-12T17:59:07.488-04:002010-08-12T17:59:07.488-04:00ai ly,
You mentioned the Oklahoma City bombing by...ai ly,<br /><br />You mentioned the Oklahoma City bombing by Tim McVeigh as though he committed his murderous act in the name of Jesus. <br /><br />He didn't. Unlike the thousands of muslim terrorists who have blown themselves up shouting "allahu akbar", McVeigh never said a word and an investigation of his life showed he had drifted away from the Catholic Church years and years before he bombed the Murrah Building.<br /><br />Therefore, no ties exist between Christianity and the OK City bombimg.<br /><br /><i>Timothy McVeigh's Political and religious views<br /><br />McVeigh's only known political affiliations were his voter registration with the Republican Party of New York when he lived in Buffalo, New York, and a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.<br /><br />In a recorded interview with Time magazine McVeigh professed his belief in "a god", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." <br /><br />Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and attended Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. <br /><br />The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell. <br /><br />McVeigh once said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."<br /><br />Motivations for the bombing<br />McVeigh claimed that the bombing was revenge for "what the U.S. government did at Waco and Ruby Ridge." McVeigh visited Waco during the standoff, where he spoke to a news reporter about his anger over what was happening there.<br /><br />McVeigh frequently quoted and alluded to the white supremacist novel The Turner Diaries. It described acts of terrorism similar to the one he carried out. <br /><br />While McVeigh openly rejected the book's racism (a roommate said that McVeigh was not a racist and was basically indifferent to racist matters), he claimed to appreciate its interest in firearms. <br /><br />Photocopies of pages sixty-one and sixty-two of The Turner Diaries were found in an envelope inside McVeigh's car. These pages depicted a fictitious mortar attack upon the U.S. Capitol in Washington.</i>no_slappzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207475509053402475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-5240903000463454862010-08-12T15:08:59.454-04:002010-08-12T15:08:59.454-04:00Field, I really love your insight on this subject ...Field, I really love your insight on this subject and I wish it could be spread around so much more, because it is perhaps the most logical and well-explained stance I've yet to read on this whole "dilemma" -- dilemma in quotes because it really shouldn't be a dilemma at all. Also, major props on noting the Murrah bombing. As someone who grew up in Oklahoma City, I am annoyed to no end by the amount people choose to entirely ignore that such an act of terrorism happened and instead say the only "true" terrorists are Muslims. It's atrocious. And as a further note on that, having visited the memorial and been around the surrounding area a lot, there are several churches there. Some were there before the bombing, for example the Catholic Cathedral I occasionally go to Mass at, but there are also many new churches that sprouted around the site after the bombing. On top of that, there's a statue of a mourning Jesus on the corner of the Catholic Cathedral's lot, right across the street from the bombing memorial and well in view of anyone passing the West side of the memorial. The memorial has become a sort of Christian rallying point of unity for many in Oklahoma City, using the idea that all Christians (notably no other religion) can unite and act together in times of great tragedy like the aftermath of the bombing. It is both kind of uplifting, in the general idea of unity, and depressing, in the exclusion of who can by united.Ai Lynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-44470972864210253942010-08-12T14:44:52.206-04:002010-08-12T14:44:52.206-04:00What was Ayesha’s (ra) Age at the Time of Her Marr...<i>What was Ayesha’s (ra) Age at the Time of Her Marriage?<br /><br />What was Ayesha’s (ra) age at the time of her marriage?<br /><br />It is normally believed that she was nine years old at the time of her marriage with Mohammad (sws) was consummated. I do think it was according to the traditions of the Arab culture, as otherwise people would have objected to this marriage. But unfortunately, the modern day man is not satisfied with an answer as simple as that. </i>omars link on understanding islam<br /><br />um omar if u honestly accept this answer that she was fucking nine years old and her marriage was consummated then that is foul why r u guys so willing to accept pedophilia in this context? eyve known girls who menstruate at nine or ten but mentally and emotionally they werent ready to MARRY much less lose their virginity to a fucking pervert<br /><br />dude if u want to explain ur religion to others dont blow them off and give them such dismissive bullshit when they ask legitimate questions because eye would never want my daughter or son to be in a pedophilic relationship and eye daresay u feel the same so why was it okay for the honorable prophet to do that then?<br /><br />seems like he was af ucking pedophile!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-35549314953187745442010-08-12T14:41:03.266-04:002010-08-12T14:41:03.266-04:00omar u r defensive and trippin fa real mane noball...omar u r defensive and trippin fa real mane noballsack really is a douchebag he makes up facts to suit his arguments and is a fucking liar u ought to ignore him like most of us do unless we tryin to argue with someone<br /><br />now eye meant what eye said when eye asked about aisha eyeve read that she was anywhere from six to eight when they were married and eyeve also read the opinion of the hadiths on the matter and it still bothers me<br /><br />as a muslim do u think it was appropriate for the honorable prophet to take such a young wife?<br /><br />next, eye can point to many instances in the bible where people did foul things like Lot committing incest with his daughters and yet God smiled upon him for some fucked up reason so eye aint into comparing religions or saying that chritianity is better cuz eye dont believe that what eye want to know is how do U feel on a personal level about the marriage of the honorable prophet to such a young girl<br /><br />eyeve asked many muslims about this but nobody wants to touch the issue with a ten foot poleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-47029324673400164462010-08-12T14:21:30.430-04:002010-08-12T14:21:30.430-04:00omar, you wrote:
Umm there have been muslim nobel...omar, you wrote:<br /><br /><i>Umm there have been muslim nobel prize winners including Mohammed Abdus Salaam, Ahmed Zewali, Muhammad Yunus and others, here's more: http://www.scribd.com/doc/14200105/Muslim-Nobel-Prize-Winners</i><br /><br />I'm always amused by the muslim attempt to pretend that muslims are actual Nobel Prize winners.<br /><br />Yes, 9 Nobels have gone to muslims. Five got the Peace Prize. You are ignorant of the fact that the Peace Prize is the booby prize. If not for the Peace Prize, virtually no muslims and no blacks would have gotten a single Nobel.<br /><br />Meanwhile, the Peace Prize is awarded by a separate group of Nobel judges. The people responsible for awarding the true prizes would rather keep their distance from those who get the Peace Prize -- like yassar arafat, a muslim who committed his life to killing Jews. Or Obama, who was chosen to win his Peace Prize a mere week after his inauguration. <br /><br />One week's work and he gets a Nobel Peace Prize? Wow. Must be an easy one? Yes?<br /><br />Oh yeah. It was really something how Anwar Sadat was awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for developing peaceful relations with Israel followed by his assassination by the muslim brotherhood. Yeah, aming you idiots there's a real desire for peace. <br /><br />Yes, one Nobel went to a muslim for physics and one in chemistry. Two in literature. But the Literature prize is a wild card. It often goes to obscure writers known to almost no one except the Nobel committee. Mark Twain and James Joyce were both overlooked. Bad sign.<br /><br />Anyway, the Nobel awards have been around for over 100 years and over that time about 600 Nobel prizes have been awarded. Inasmuch as muslims account for about 20% of the world's population, you might estimate they would have gotten 20% of the Nobel prizes. Nope. <br /><br />By the way, the muslims who won the physics and chemistry awards got their educations in England and the US. In other words, the colleges in muslim countries are worthless unless you want to memorize the Koran.no_slappzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207475509053402475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-37393631329749444792010-08-12T13:50:32.188-04:002010-08-12T13:50:32.188-04:00omar, you wrote:
You named two people Theo Van Go...omar, you wrote:<br /><br /><i>You named two people Theo Van Gogh and Salman Rushdie, that doesn't nearly compare say the near extermination of Native American and aboriginal Australians, both World Wars, the Holocaust, the transatlantic slave trade and all of the brutality reaped on other nations during colonialism by so called advanced Free Nations.</i><br /><br />The 1,400-year history is crammed with violent conquests and bloody seizures of territory. As I said, the Ottoman Empire was built by conquest. The conquered populations were given a choice of becoming islamic or dying. The choice was obvious.<br /><br />Meanwhile, slavery is a thing of the past -- except in muslim countries where women are still chattel slaves.<br /><br />Moreover, Iran wants an atomic bomb which it plans to use against Israel. Furthermore, Iran and Iraq fought an 8-year war that killed about a million people and Islamic terrorism is part of daily life on Planet Earth. <br /><br />It's clear how little regard muslims have for human life. Not to mention the fact that muslim terrorists love to remind the world they love death more than we non-muslims love life.<br /><br />It's always the same old story with you muslim clowns. First there's a little trade. Then a small muslim community emerges, which leads to the construction of a mosque, and after a while the de facto army begins to position itself. <br /><br />That strategy is still working in Africa. But it won't succeed here.no_slappzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207475509053402475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-86320098560508226292010-08-12T13:27:22.660-04:002010-08-12T13:27:22.660-04:00omar, unfortunately, you are like most muslims -- ...omar, unfortunately, you are like most muslims -- a bonehead.<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br /><i>First of all the two nutcases refuse top see the hypocrisy in applying a judgement of a people based on the actions of rulers that they haven't chosen</i><br /><br />The only people in muslim theocracies interested in overthrowing the existing governments are muslims who want to impose more islamic fundamentalism on the populations.<br /><br />There's no evidence of a desire within muslim nations for democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, plurality or equality. Though the US hopes these concepts will bloom in Iraq.<br /><br />However, Iraqis themselves are wavering. <br /><br />The only muslim nation to incorporate the concepts I mentioned into its constitution is Iraq. <br /><br />Meanwhile, it's obvious you oppose freedom of speech, freedom of religion, democracy and all the factors that make muslim life miserable.<br /><br /><i>...and second you know nothing about the details of sharia or fiqh and can't spot when muslims break the rules of it.</i><br /><br />True. In other words, the reason I do not recognize the breaking of these ridiculous religious laws is this: The laws would be judged unconstitutional in the US, which means the laws deprive people of basic American freedom.<br /> <br /><i>You know nothing about Islam basically claim that anything you see on the news is Islamically acceptable.</i><br /><br />Muslim nations are backward cesspools because they are islamic. With only a couple of exceptions, muslim nations are poor, and their poverty is a direct result of practicing islam.<br /><br />Meanwhile, in Riyadh, on Tuesdays, you can watch the justice system at work. You can watch when the guilty are punished. You know, cutting off the hand of a thief. That sort of thing.<br /> <br /><i> Also I said your statement was ignorant because you assumed that what the Quran says has nothing to do with the religion which is stupid.</i><br /><br />I have no idea what your preceding statement means. However, I probably said that when muslims govern by the Koran, the words of the Koran are twisted whatever way the governors feel is useful to them.<br /><br />Hence, there are honor killings, female genital mutiliation, virtual enslavement of women, things like that.no_slappzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04207475509053402475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-90001179684589854922010-08-12T12:41:40.616-04:002010-08-12T12:41:40.616-04:00[QuoteNo_Slappzz]Is it news to you that muslims di...[QuoteNo_Slappzz]Is it news to you that muslims did partner with the nazis in WWII?[/quote]<br /><br />Total bollocks.<br /><br />400,000 North African Muslims fought for the Free French from 1943 to 1945. In particular they fought to free Eastern France and Italy fro fascism.<br /><br />No less an authority than U.S.Army 4 Star General, Mark Clark described their efforts as "Magnificent."The Purple Cowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17455065546313599875noreply@blogger.com