tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post1573993934648784649..comments2024-03-28T23:32:05.817-04:00Comments on field negro: Our own soft racismfield negrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-8743969611389931642021-02-25T01:54:40.767-05:002021-02-25T01:54:40.767-05:00Hartia event management can do your events,anywher...Hartia event management can do your events,anywhere in India and have already executed events in Delhi,Jaipur Indore, Kochin, Goa etc. Based on your brief, goals, budget we can organize and manage the event for you. We offer our services in Corporate Events, Sporting Events, Special Events,Birthday, Promotions etc.<br /><a href="https://hartia.in" title="Exhibition Setup in Mumbai" rel="nofollow">Exhibition Setup in Mumbai</a><br /><a href="https://hartia.in" title="BEst Events Companyin Mumbai" rel="nofollow">Best Events Companyin Mumbai</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-21227123573735080902007-10-21T23:38:00.000-04:002007-10-21T23:38:00.000-04:00Canada, please. No one is more arrogant than a Ca...Canada, please. No one is more arrogant than a Canadian--and far less reason. People rail against Mexican immigrants. I rail against Canadians immigrants. I want them out, out, out. No country has been given more and carried farther--and has done so little with the help. Canadians haven't invented much of anything. It has vast resources which it is too lazy to exploit--unless another country proposes to. Canadians celebrate their evolved political astuteness--but they their nobility is that of an aristocrat--oof privilege position--free of struggle. The U.S. pays the heavy price for Canada's magnaminity.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03450522190380794726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-46629409264039508032007-10-21T21:45:00.000-04:002007-10-21T21:45:00.000-04:00Hey, every time I passed an exam or completed a pa...Hey, every time I passed an exam or completed a paper on time I celebrated! A little encouragement goes a long way and besides, who said everyone has to go to college? Success comes in very many different shapes and sizes!Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05470053051176358642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-59253679447192390372007-10-19T22:40:00.000-04:002007-10-19T22:40:00.000-04:00Kitty, I failed to comment on your comment before ...Kitty, I failed to comment on your comment before now. But I wanted to tell you that your story is so common to the way many of the people in the area where you grew up were then and now are forced to live. As you were telling your story, I knew you weren't lying. I could see everything you were saying.<BR/><BR/>Kitty, I congratulate you for rising above the bull. Not many of the folks from that district can say they did the same. <BR/><BR/>PeaceAngela L. Braden, Writer, Speaker, Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17473106954036686180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-74397450312337481492007-10-19T14:37:00.000-04:002007-10-19T14:37:00.000-04:00I am a conscientious Canadian who has grown weary ...I am a conscientious Canadian who has grown weary of American arrogance. I recently read the book American Bravado and think it should get widespread coverage. Finally, someone has the courage to tell the naked truth about the Ugly American.http://www.inkwaterpress.com/authors/rreese/cover_lgst.jpgCanadahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15461539658681369000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-5463194389971607152007-10-18T21:15:00.000-04:002007-10-18T21:15:00.000-04:00I walked away from this entry for a while, but I'm...I walked away from this entry for a while, but I'm back to say thank you very much for the kind words<B> blinders off </B> and <B> the christian progressive liberal </B>. I appreciate it very much.The Fabulous Kitty Glendowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12259506108044329136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-41936870517345902962007-10-18T20:45:00.000-04:002007-10-18T20:45:00.000-04:00Can you stand one more comment? Celebrating gradua...Can you stand one more comment? Celebrating graduation from high school is good and appropriate. You are marking an achievement, but no where does it mean it should be the <I>final</I> achievement. A high school graduate has earned the right to be congratulated, acknowledged, and then set off on his or her <I>next</I> goal, path, adventure, or whatever you'd care to call it. After all, we call it a commencement ceremony, don't we? We mark it as the starting point for the next level.<BR/><BR/>I'm thinking that if someone (his grandfather?) had congratulated Clarence Thomas on each of his achievements and steps, maybe he wouldn't have become such an isolated soul. (But, I'm no psychologist.)<BR/><BR/>On the Sports Analogy (you're going to groan), I was really thinking it was going to be the Padres who swept the Phillies. Afterall, as I write, Holliday has yet to touch home plate. I realize that adds nothing to your point.<BR/><BR/>I read about you in the LA Times. I'll check back!<BR/><A HREF="http://www.gailanderson.org" REL="nofollow">Gambits from Gail</A>Gailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02007592486246852235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-62217485477187083062007-10-17T19:31:00.000-04:002007-10-17T19:31:00.000-04:00I meant in that last paragraph: even to the extent...I meant in that last paragraph: even to the extent that my massively underprivileged neighbors are up to a point better off than people elsewhere - access to relatively clean water is a *big* thing - college isn't really accessible and this *is* for reasons beyond their control ... and just college wouldn't fix the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-11753073074638571482007-10-17T19:26:00.000-04:002007-10-17T19:26:00.000-04:00Anon. 8:39 has a very valid point: blue collar peo...Anon. 8:39 has a very valid point: blue collar people are people, too!<BR/><BR/>***<BR/><BR/>On this:<BR/><BR/>"how domestic blacks suffer more than immigrants in this country" ... that is pretty broad question: all domestic Blacks vs. all immigrants? Which immigrants ... ones who walked here and cannot read, or ones who arrived without money but with a student visa and a college admission letter? <BR/><BR/>The first thing that pops into my mind is, immigrants are people who at least had the strength and resources to get here. Both abroad and here, I also know people who do not have the resources to get further than walking distance away from home.<BR/><BR/>The question also smacks to me of competitive misery - bickering over who suffers the most. I am not sure how really useful that is.<BR/><BR/>Neither am I convinced conditions for the miserable here are really *that* much better than those of the starving abroad. I've spent about half my life in 3d world countries and when I started doing that I would not have believed that those sorts of conditions existed in the U.S. But I only have to walk a few blocks from my house in Louisiana to find people living in wooden shacks with little to no indoor plumbing, no heat, no water heater, electricity *if* they can pay for it or pirate it but most often not, butane tanks for gas when they can fill them, no transportation, no food the second two weeks of the month, no furniture (you collect old clothes and sleep on them in piles), no school supplies, no school uniforms, etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>Now, these people nevertheless do not have stomachs swelled from starvation or from parasites and that is one way we could say they are privileged because they are Americans, and so on. They have access to relatively clean running water, and the wooden shacks they live in are at least not cardboard boxes or corrugated iron lean-tos. <BR/><BR/>'Be grateful you are not yet worse off' is really not the most appropriate thing to say to people in such a situation. Neither is 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps, get ye to college.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-23102254509266896832007-10-17T11:34:00.000-04:002007-10-17T11:34:00.000-04:00raven, i really respect you my brother/sister (not...raven, i really respect you my brother/sister (not sure) and you are obviously a very well read and deep thinker. I love how you challenge my ideals and perpective, and our back and forth is always civil and well reasoned. <BR/><BR/>But having said all of that; we are going to have to agree to disagree until you can come up with something else to show me how domestic blacks suffer more than immigrants in this country.field negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-12447367785540933182007-10-17T11:05:00.000-04:002007-10-17T11:05:00.000-04:00Thanks, FN. I see then. Black immigrants are sim...Thanks, FN. I see then. Black immigrants are simply making much of common circumstances when they talk of so-called caste systems of their society. Domestic blacks face that kind economic, light skin determinations without much of a comment--because it so pales in comparison to the restrictions that can and are commonly placed on us by white supremacy. Thus, if domestic blacks had the space to contemplate the kind of lower level oppression imposed on us because of class and skin color, we would have to talk of a triple layer of oppression--not the single oen faced by some black immigrants in some of their home countries. <BR/><BR/>So, again, no Black immigrant can tell a tale of woe remotely close to the one domestic blacks can tell--in psychological terms. <BR/><BR/>Moreover, in the countries most represented in the U.S.--Jamaica, Nigeria, Kenya--there just isn't such a system--although, admittedly--Jamaicans seem to exalt their lighter skinned people-and embrace their merchant Indian class with great pride.<BR/><BR/>This is all I will say on this point. I will respect and await any further comment or clarification you might offer, FN.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-5217607161086739422007-10-17T09:32:00.000-04:002007-10-17T09:32:00.000-04:00Angie and Bob, my father not coming to my graduati...Angie and Bob, my father not coming to my graduation didn't scar me---far from it. I don't think he went to my sister's either. (Probably out of the country, because without getting into who or what he was; let's just say he was a very busy person at the time)But again, no one is knocking graduation, but we have to keep some perpective here. And yes, if the child goes on to become an electrician,plumber, carpenter...whatever (And they all make damn good money by the way)we should make a big deal of that as well. But I don't think that you folks realize that it's just as hard to get into one of these building trades as it is to college. So maybe getting into a well paying union job is worth celebrating. But sorry, not graduating H.S. I know some people don't like to hear that, but it's the truth. <BR/><BR/>I love my father to death ,and appreciate now the things that he did and didn't do. He didn't set low expectations for us, and I am a better person for it. <BR/><BR/>Guess what, if and when I do have kids, I am going to do the exact same thing. Treat H.S. graduation as a right of passage, not a cause for celebration.field negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-33650146112022195502007-10-17T09:04:00.000-04:002007-10-17T09:04:00.000-04:00Field, I'm kind of split on this one. I see your ...Field, I'm kind of split on this one. I see your point, but I still think there is nothing wrong with congratulating each other for a job well done, especially when, for whatever reason, many are not getting the job done. And I think that anon above made a good point.<BR/><BR/>"People who are carpenters, plumbers, electricians, secretaries and factory workers have value as human beings."<BR/><BR/>I think that often times college graduates have the tendency to look down on individuals that chose to be apart of the very underpaid, but very necessary working class. My father is a plumber, and he made as much or more money than my mother, who was a veteran teacher.<BR/><BR/>I'm an advocate for post education. But I don't think it always has to come in the form of "a 4-year university." There are a lot of trades that our kids, especially the young men, are leaving on the shelf. Many of these trades pay good money and come with respect. You know it hurts my heart when I see how many white and mexican men work out at in Pasadena and at the Port of Houston making $70K and $80K doing manual labor work. But they got the training to do it. Not from a degree, but a technical program. <BR/><BR/>But with that being said, even in the working class jobs, many of the individuals that used to be able to get those jobs without college degrees are being passed over by folks that are just coming out of college. So many admin positions are being filled by recent grads rather than the girl that has no college hours. <BR/><BR/>I tell you all of this is so interesting and so complex. <BR/><BR/>One more thing, Field... Sadly, many of us make the mistake of using our parents reactions, actions, and behaviors as standards for life. Just because your father chose to not come to your graduation does not make your graduation any less important than the parents who chose to yell and clap histerically when their kid crossed the stage.<BR/><BR/>My nickel.Angela L. Braden, Writer, Speaker, Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17473106954036686180noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-82209738547030699192007-10-17T08:39:00.000-04:002007-10-17T08:39:00.000-04:00Field,I think that one of the problems we face in ...Field,<BR/><BR/>I think that one of the problems we face in this culture is the movement toward a credential based society. <BR/><BR/>People who are carpenters, plumbers, electricians, secretaries and factory workers have value as human beings. <BR/><BR/>High School graduation is a rite of passage that should be celebrated. Congratulations to those going on to college, good luck to those who will stop here for now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-68182930122716411752007-10-17T00:34:00.000-04:002007-10-17T00:34:00.000-04:00You're right about low expectations, but so very w...You're right about low expectations, but so very wrong in the example you chose. I'm sorry if your dad didn't give a shit about your high school graduation. That must have hurt. He was wrong, & you don't have to be like him.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16567817295665099690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-64769638067355282122007-10-16T21:57:00.000-04:002007-10-16T21:57:00.000-04:00You asked, so I will educate you. Don't take the w...You asked, so I will educate you. Don't take the word "caste" for its literal Hindu hereditary meaning. When I refer to caste, I am talking about what anon 9:29 PM above said: Privilege, and entititlement based on family status, skin tones etc. This is true in damn near every Third Worlf country on this earth--including the ones you mentioned. <BR/><BR/>So again, to get bak to my original premise. The blacks that you claim came here and had it so easy, because they didn't have to go through the psychological and physical oppression of American blacks does not exist. And if there is a percentage of them that does exist, it's no more than the blacks in this country with similar privileges.field negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-24397419490616850592007-10-16T21:35:00.000-04:002007-10-16T21:35:00.000-04:00For my own education, where in black kingdom-dom a...For my own education, where in black kingdom-dom are there "caste systems?" There is Sudan, Brazil, and the Dominican Republic--perhaps--but these aren't really caste systems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-63234508845891289262007-10-16T21:29:00.000-04:002007-10-16T21:29:00.000-04:00I agree with Raven. There is a vast difference fro...I agree with Raven. <BR/><BR/>There is a vast difference from relatives who marry into my family from other countries and native blacks. For most black immigrants, unless you are a refugee, chances are you are from the middle and upper educated class. Or as I like to say, the oppressor class who benefits off or exploits the poor blacks in some fashion. In such black countries, middle class and upper class believe that the poor in their countries are poor because they are lazy and stupid. They fail to realize that most poor adults are born poor and most rich adults were born rich. <BR/><BR/>Then they come to the US and think that they are struggling with the poor blacks here because they realize that even though they were educated and had some resources in their home country, they are poor here. So they bring their oppressor attitude, compare themselves to poor blacks and say that they are lazy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-20479649741254661152007-10-16T21:27:00.000-04:002007-10-16T21:27:00.000-04:00"what more the impositions and burdens placed on d..."what more the impositions and burdens placed on domestic blacks right up in the belly of the beast?" <BR/><BR/>No no no raven. You are approaching this debate with blinders on as an Af. American first and foremost. That's a non starter with any debate about the plight of black people with me. <BR/><BR/>I have said this a million times. I don't consider myself Af.Am, Jamaican, Jam-erican, or whatever. I am a "world citizen", a black man living in the world whose ancestors came from Africa. <BR/><BR/>I have argued with people like Cobb about this before. They are so caught up in being Af. American that they lose sight of the fact that they are a part of a much bigger race. That's backwards thinking as far as I am concerned. <BR/><BR/>Everyone is in the "belly of this beast" my brother. Everyone. Do you think, for instance, that some Haitian person who came over here on a raft, and who works as a domestic in South Florida-- hiding from the INS everyday, speaks not a lick of English, has it better than your avge Af. American? Come on, let's keep it 100% <BR/><BR/>"superior-feeling"? <BR/><BR/>Sorry, I am not going to make any apologies for who I am to anyone black or white. <BR/><BR/>If people have their own insecurities that's on them. And I won't buy into divisions among black people based on geography. Lord knows I get enough of white folks trying to divide us as it is.<BR/><BR/>Peace.field negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-58907272290846073662007-10-16T20:58:00.000-04:002007-10-16T20:58:00.000-04:00You make my point, FN. If you challenge a superior...You make my point, FN. If you challenge a superior-feeling black immigrant on how it is that he/she is in the U.S. sliding along the roads greased by the blood and suffering of domestic blacks--if he/she is all that, the immigrant will explain that he's here because of the suffering inflicted on him as a colonial black because he is a colonial black in some country far, far away. <BR/><BR/>But if America is so bad as to destroy all the chances for success for the immigrant black in his home country, what more the impositions and burdens placed on domestic blacks right up in the belly of the beast?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-82396884336454287482007-10-16T19:46:00.000-04:002007-10-16T19:46:00.000-04:00"The relevant comparison is in psychic harms, suff..."The relevant comparison is in psychic harms, suffering. Immigrants are from places that affirm them.." <BR/><BR/>Wrong raven! Many immigrants come from countries with caste systems and racism in place. They face prejudice and ignorance in their native countries as well. Many of them are from very poor families suffering from generational poverty. So sorry, many of these imigrants are ont from places that affirm them. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, but British colonialism was just as bad as American Jim Crow, and it's effects were just as devastating. What, you think the brutal treatment of blacks ended at the American shore? The last time I checked my ancestors were brought to the West on slave ships too. <BR/><BR/>I do agree with the last part of your comments though; I too long to see a strong black country, free of corruption with a strong economic base, and one that will rival all the First World powers. <BR/><BR/>"for God sake. Stop hating" <BR/><BR/>anon. 7:06 PM, I am really hating because YOU graduated high school....shhhhh. And people wonder why we are so fucked up as a race :(field negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-82383005292899315492007-10-16T19:41:00.000-04:002007-10-16T19:41:00.000-04:00I get what you're saying, Field. There's nothing w...I get what you're saying, Field. There's nothing wrong with celebrating a graduation, but if you make too big a deal of it- make out like it's the be and end all as you said- you run the risk of making the young person think it's the culmination of something rather than the beginning. I've seen it happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-48173421098256853132007-10-16T19:06:00.000-04:002007-10-16T19:06:00.000-04:00Uh...You're a hater. Seriously.Highschool graduati...Uh...<BR/><BR/>You're a hater. Seriously.<BR/><BR/>Highschool graduations should be celebrated just like Middle-school graduations should be celebrated-- ANYTHING to give these kids the positive reinforcement needed to get to the next level.<BR/><BR/>My dad not showing up for my high school graduation would tell me that it doesn't matter much to him, one way or another-- so, if I find a benchmark in success, it doesn't matter.<BR/><BR/>Let some people celebrate, for God sake. Stop hating. Stop judging.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-20838660516869200172007-10-16T18:54:00.000-04:002007-10-16T18:54:00.000-04:00I echo Anonymous 1:53 AM.I echo Anonymous 1:53 AM.Rent Partyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05172304380312568465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-25294652649648357062007-10-16T13:40:00.000-04:002007-10-16T13:40:00.000-04:00Other examples: the Jews celebrate the 13th year. ...Other examples: the Jews celebrate the 13th year. The Latinos celebrate the 15th year for their girls. What's wrong with Black celebrations?<BR/><BR/>Really (absolutely no offense intended at all) there is very little the Black immigrant can teach the domestic Black about suffering and scarcity. After all most--all--black immigrants come from countries run by people like them for them. American blacks live in a country bent on destroying them. In comparisons, the Black immigrant loves to emphasize perceived material differences. But what is that, really, after 18 years old--if anything before then? Who had a big screen television--who didn't. <BR/><BR/>The relevant comparison is in psychic harms, suffering. Immigrants are from places that affirm them. Domestic blacks are in a place that is built on destroying them. The battles domestic blacks fight are not won by securing a plane ticket, take a cab driver's job, and buying the biggest television set. <BR/><BR/>Thus, most apparent gains an immmigrant realizes are fairly immediate, temporary, and pyhric. After just two generations, oppression wreaks havoc with the Black immigrant's psyche as well, and he spends the rest of his time--like the domestic--groping for solutions.<BR/><BR/>I am really waiting for the day when the Black immigrant will finally take on appropriate responsibility and build a thriving country that Black Americans can look to with pride--and as leverage--against the United States government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com