tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post1841309482748508071..comments2024-03-28T07:46:36.254-04:00Comments on field negro: The uppity candidate.field negrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-417697912034005542008-04-20T12:26:00.000-04:002008-04-20T12:26:00.000-04:00Bottom line to all of this is when we "play" the g...Bottom line to all of this is when we "play" the game following "their" rules and win - then the rules always change. But for Barack, he forgot the most important rule of all - that being "stay in your place". Calling him elite is a reminder to all that he is Black. As Malcolm said - what do they call a Black lawyer, doctor, etc. "they call him a n*gger". So calling him elite, in my opinion, is reminding folks the "he's an up-ity n*gger" who's has garnered just too way too much support for simply being intelligent with a mind of his own!SjPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03637955368291716153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-79482088014732222812008-04-16T03:28:00.000-04:002008-04-16T03:28:00.000-04:00So in the future, try to be a little smarter. For ...<I>So in the future, try to be a little smarter. For someone with a white mama you sure don't understand white folks. It's that damn Michelle isn't it? She just blackened you up too much. Well it's time to get in touch with your white side. Don't worry about black folks, they are going to vote for you no matter what. (90% here in Philly in spite of Mayor Nutter's pronouncements). Black folks will know what you are doing, and why you are doing it. (if it wasn't for that damn FAKE NEWS no one would have even known about your preacher.) <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>This was too hilarious, FN. Blaming Michelle for ' blackening him up too much' ...<BR/><BR/>BWA HA HA HA<BR/><BR/>You so wrong.rikyrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982657053583534299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-35349091332842662472008-04-16T02:30:00.000-04:002008-04-16T02:30:00.000-04:00singaporeswim...I'll grant you different package, ...singaporeswim...I'll grant you different package, but the jury's still out for me on the different ingredients and instructions.DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-72211443499086767192008-04-16T00:40:00.000-04:002008-04-16T00:40:00.000-04:00deb,"politics as usual" w/a twist.a different pack...deb,<BR/>"politics as usual" w/a twist.<BR/>a different package w/different ingredients and instructions.SingaporeSwimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324188257570511872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-48552390507019378132008-04-16T00:29:00.000-04:002008-04-16T00:29:00.000-04:00singaporeswim..."there's nothing inauthentic or di...singaporeswim..."there's nothing inauthentic or disingenuous about that."<BR/><BR/>No, just politics as usual. Which is the only point I'm trying to make here.DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-18786066801105938732008-04-16T00:16:00.000-04:002008-04-16T00:16:00.000-04:00deb,i don't know what sbo's message was nor how he...deb,<BR/>i don't know what sbo's message was nor how he conveyed it to the pa audience in question. it appears that he was speaking off the cuff in san fran about his observations about some small towners. the general supposition, based on this one [that we know of] recorded incident, seems to be that he waters down his speeches to small towners and then turns around and mocks them in front of the elite set.<BR/><BR/>i'm almost certain that sbo doesn't deliver the same stump speech in the same fashion to each crowd - but they likely have similar content/talking points.<BR/><BR/>i don't agree that he's not "keeping it real" when he delivers the same message in different styles to different audiences. it's practical and only makes sense to tailor a speech and its delivery to your audience. there's nothing inauthentic or disingenuous about that.SingaporeSwimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324188257570511872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-45077918787352234402008-04-15T23:33:00.000-04:002008-04-15T23:33:00.000-04:00singaporeswim..."i wish that all of the candidates...singaporeswim..."i wish that all of the candidates would "keep it real" all of the time but we know that those who do are not electable and have a short shelf life"<BR/><BR/>So then you agree that Sen. Obama is not "keepin' it real" (like every other politician)to be electable and have a long shelf life? <BR/><BR/>"having said that, there is something to be said for diplomacy and discretion. sbo has the unique ability to communicate and hit his points smoothly, tactfully and effectively w/o making his audience feel demeaned or dissed."<BR/><BR/>I agree, he's an excellent orator, which is why I don't believe he misspoke this time and while the San Fran audience did not feel demeaned or dissed, the PA audience did.DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-86317262959788099012008-04-15T23:06:00.000-04:002008-04-15T23:06:00.000-04:00deb,i'm not sure of the exact words sbo used in th...deb,<BR/>i'm not sure of the exact words sbo used in the small town that he referenced in san fran. <BR/><BR/>i wish that all of the candidates would "keep it real" all of the time but we know that those who do are not electable and have a short shelf life (see dennis kucinich, ron paul and ralph nader).<BR/><BR/>having said that, there <I>is</I> something to be said for diplomacy and discretion. sbo has the unique ability to communicate and hit his points smoothly, tactfully and effectively w/o making his audience feel demeaned or dissed.SingaporeSwimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324188257570511872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-23841377391073037482008-04-15T22:34:00.000-04:002008-04-15T22:34:00.000-04:00singaporeswim..."sbo has said the gist of the "bit...singaporeswim..."sbo has said the gist of the "bitters" in small towns across the country during his campaign...he just used gentler words in front of the audiences."<BR/><BR/>Goes to both my points. If he's said it to other small towns, why not directly to this one? And why use "gentler" words in those small towns then wait until he got to the San Fran mansion to use the not-so "gentle" (your characterization, not mine) words? As I said, for me, it wasn't the WORDS, he said, but where and how he said them.DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-31495666936099698782008-04-15T22:14:00.000-04:002008-04-15T22:14:00.000-04:00deb,truth is, sbo has said the gist of the "bitter...deb,<BR/>truth is, sbo has said the gist of the "bitters" in small towns across the country during his campaign, as he stated when he met with the editorial board of some pa. rag<BR/>2day. he just used gentler words in front of the audiences.<BR/><BR/>michelle obama reminded a gathering today of where she and her husband come from - there's nothing elite about growing up in a working class family on the south side of chicago, princeton and harvard degrees and harvard law review notwithstanding.SingaporeSwimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324188257570511872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-59751879147996741342008-04-15T21:57:00.000-04:002008-04-15T21:57:00.000-04:00rikyrah said... They hide behind the "Black" stuff...rikyrah said... <BR/><I>They hide behind the "Black" stuff, because it's easy, lazy, and because the deeper truth about how Obama threatens things isn't something they want to reveal to the average American.</I><BR/><BR/>Good point.<BR/><BR/>I don't think Obama wanted to be a part of a "slave auction"...going to the highest bidders.<BR/><BR/>Knowing the racist history of this country, I think the imagery weighed to heavily on his conscience.<BR/><BR/>As long as he follows that <I>North Star of Hope</I>, he will maintain the freedom and the integrity to point this nation in a new direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-42007121789023615912008-04-15T20:23:00.000-04:002008-04-15T20:23:00.000-04:00Something else occurred to me this weekend. This i...<I>Something else occurred to me this weekend. This isn't just about Hillary becoming president. As I watched James Carville carrying on like a banshee on Meet the Press, it occurred to me that if Obama becomes president, it ushers in a whole new crew into the Democratic leadership circle. Bill and Hillary have been the darlings of the Dems for nine years and that comes to a crashing end if Obama wins. All of the Clinton operatives become obsolete. Obama will work with these people but they are not going to enjoy the status they once had with the Clintons. This is about more than just the presidency. This is about who will control the backroom deals and who will even be included in the back room deals. An Obama presidency will mark a sea change of the face of the Democratic party. Unlike Jimmy Carter, Obama has the ability to make a firm imprint on the Dems. <BR/><BR/>So that's why the Clintons can't let Obama win.</I><BR/><BR/>West Coast Story,<BR/><BR/>It's way deeper than that. <BR/><BR/>Jonathan Alter on Countdown last night says, that if Obama makes it to the White House, he'll be a President who owes the LEAST to big money and big donors it at least 30 years. <BR/><BR/>It's not just the Clinton cronies; it's the entire lobbyist/pac system. <BR/><BR/>Why do you think we hear at least once a week about Obama's problems with ' The Jews'? <BR/><BR/>Because, though he has Jewish support, he is NOT beholden to the big money donors of AIPAC. They don't own him. <BR/><BR/>Him NOT taking money from lobbyists and PACS is a HUGE deal.<BR/><BR/>There is an entire SYSTEM built upon this premise, and Obama owes very few of them; only the ones who were there in the beginning, and there weren't that many of them. <BR/><BR/>This is a threat to the GOP Big Money Donors too, because if Obama is successful, then what's there to say that there isn't a GOP Obama out there.....think about the possbilities if Ron Paul had taken off...or, if someone like Huckabee had had Ron Paul-like money, how far he REALLY could have gone. <BR/><BR/>Obama isn't really about Obama anymore, and of course we can't count on the media to point this out. The true threat that he is to the 'System' is just not being reported, because if regular folks realized that here was the first practical possibility for them to take back their government in 20 years; this election would already be OVER. <BR/><BR/>They hide behind the " Black" stuff, because it's easy, lazy, and because the deeper truth about how Obama threatens things isn't something they want to reveal to the average American.rikyrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982657053583534299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-17524008842329615362008-04-15T20:01:00.000-04:002008-04-15T20:01:00.000-04:00What Barack Obama SHOULD say, in the middle of Wes...What Barack Obama SHOULD say, in the middle of Western PA, in no uncertain terms is this:<BR/><BR/>1. I’ve spent my entire professional life working for the canary in the mines.<BR/>2. You think I don’t know about your pain ? I do.<BR/>3. The canary in the mine is the inner city. YOU are the actual mine. The similarities between you are striking.<BR/>4. Inner city folks love their guns. For you, it expresses itself through hunting. For the inner city, they have been so broken down, that the only expression of manhood many of these young men have is from the barrell of a gun, and they never realize what you do - for a big differential is that you do have respect for guns, and they don’t.<BR/>5. That inner city person, that city person doesn’t want to take your gun. But, the mother of the child who was killed ‘as an innocent bystander’ in a gang war, would like to know why you continue to allow those criminal gunrunners to hide behind you, like a shield, denying registration for these guns to be tracked. She doesn’t want your gun; she wants you to stop shielding criminals of a different sort.<BR/>6. That there isn’t one iota of difference between the lives devastated and destroyed by the crystal meth epidemic of rural America, and the crack epidemic of inner city America. Having seen one and the effects of it, I understand what meth has done to your communities.<BR/>7. Religion…you may not know it, but there is a common saying that there is a church on every other block in the inner city. When I say that in bad times, people turn to religion, I’ve seen it up close and personal.<BR/>8. You have a choice: between a crooked White candidate and an honest Black one. I might not be perfect, but I’m the most honest candidate you’ve seen in awhile.<BR/>9. My life story; this campaign IS the American Dream personified.<BR/><BR/>******and yeah, FN, it's all about calling Obama -UPPITY- without calling him UPPITY...you get my drift.rikyrahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982657053583534299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-35484452425752514042008-04-15T15:22:00.000-04:002008-04-15T15:22:00.000-04:00Correction: Intro was given by Rep. Barbara Lee n...Correction: Intro was given by Rep. Barbara Lee not Sheila Jackson Lee as I said earlierDebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-89349567910133846442008-04-15T15:14:00.000-04:002008-04-15T15:14:00.000-04:00Thanks for pointing it out that the issue about "e...Thanks for pointing it out that the issue about "elite" speak has nothing to do with wealth or power or even position BUT perception. Too often I find that people who like to Comment about injustices or just want to ride the BASH BUS often use the same responses and or tactics to BASH back.<BR/><BR/>I had this comment to a person today about the while Obama "elitism" issue and I responded simply, "Anyone who run for president has got to have a degree of self conditioning for elitism. its the HIGHEST position in the land and will be seen as LEADER of the free World. How Elite Is That?"<BR/><BR/>Come on folks, you have to let this one go to the people affected -- Small town USA. Just like Bill Clinton's Jesse comment in South Carolina, the frustration felt needs to roll like the wave it is. <BR/><BR/>Obama inserted Foot in Mouth with this one and needs to come back to Pennsylvania and fix it. Rural people do not speak "Elite", you need to keep it basic; not to be confused with "simple" because many people who live in rural America are well educated and with means. He needs to keep it personal and keep and "personable". No one likes a SMARTY PANTS nor to people like being ANALYZED and that is what the perception was. It has nothing to do with money in the pocket, or the Clinton's $111 million in the bank.<BR/><BR/>Obama, for a brief moment forgot his audience and leaned too much on promoting his themed RACE IN AMERICA. As much as what he stated was/is true ... there are still a lot of Americans that still DON'T GET IT and he does not haver time to make them ... he is still running for PRESIDENT. Obama, being from Small town USA should have known this nor should he be surprised.the poet Shazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338037314941958216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-46040617268091004622008-04-15T14:34:00.000-04:002008-04-15T14:34:00.000-04:00had to write to compliment on shazza nakim's post ...had to write to compliment on shazza nakim's post on his experience in small town PA. it was insigtful and real. it might really be possible to change things, if enough folks, myself included, had his vision. as oppossed to say, singaporeswim who goes to the dictionary to cite the defintion of elite, and skips right over the first entry to get to the second that she percieves as helping her case. like, it's not enough to goto the websites and media and what all else, so to hear exactly what you want, no you got to parce out the defintion of words as well. more of depends on the meaning of is is gone wildAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-59214651563608770502008-04-15T10:56:00.000-04:002008-04-15T10:56:00.000-04:00There was a study done that took a look at all the...There was a study done that took a look at all the living members of MENSA (the top 2% most intelligent <I>known</I> humans) and the results showed that virtually none of them were wealthy. <BR/><BR/>Truly great intelligence, a combination of many factors, is anti-elitist. If you ask me, ANYONE that would seek to be a career politician in American society has some serious issues. It's like that old expression, the best leaders are those who do not want to lead.Dave J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12875180376424695960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-60243522497108942352008-04-15T01:30:00.000-04:002008-04-15T01:30:00.000-04:00Field,Great post, but I'm with woozie on this one:...Field,<BR/><BR/>Great post, but I'm with woozie on this one:<BR/>"Though what you provided is indeed the definition of elite, it's not what people think of when they hear that or even the more common elitist. They think of holier than thou, stuck up, pretentious, snobbish jackasses. The connotation of "elite" is far, far, far removed from its denotation."<BR/><BR/>This brouhaha seems less about the denotation - "outstanding personal abilities, intellect..." and more about the connotation, "pretentious, snobbish." <BR/><BR/>I agree that people are bitter and cynical and some handle it in a myriad of ways (to include some he mentioned). For me, it wasn't what he said, but where he said it and how he said it. <BR/><BR/>Why wait until he got to the glitzy, San Fran crowd to talk about the "bitters?" Why not tell it to them from the stump in those small towns? Great orator that he is, I'm sure he could've convinced them - to their face - that he could feel their pain and would do all he could to remedy it.<BR/><BR/>It reminded me of the "twoness" W.E.B. DuBois wrote about in "Souls of Black Folks" when Blacks felt comfortable saying things about whites when among their own, but would never say those same things in the presence of whites. Only this "twoness" had to do with the haves and the have-nots instead of Blacks and whites.<BR/><BR/>Listening to the audio, from the introduction by Sheila Jackson Lee, to the end, I got the feeling he was among people around whom he FELT he could speak freely (since it was a "closed" fundraiser, I'm sure nobody expected his words to be recorded and replayed to the world - unless of course it was in a good light)- and he did. I don't think he "misspoke" at all. He's too good a speaker.<BR/><BR/>In that San Fran setting, he sounded condescending to the working-class. It has nothing to do with how much money anybody's made. It has to do with the perception (sometimes the reality)that people who have a lot of money feel and act as if they are socially or educationally superior to those who don't because of it.<BR/><BR/>As I always say, the "O" man needs to be who he is and let the people decide if they want to vote for that person or not.DebChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02018798227792356966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-57592323493978501832008-04-15T01:00:00.000-04:002008-04-15T01:00:00.000-04:00After reading half the responses and watching news...After reading half the responses and watching news channels fuss nonstop about what the O 'man said, I was literal cussing out my TV. Field, stop focusing on the media's bullshit attacks against O'man and go on to more pressing issue's affecting our community and the world. Leave the mainstream media to talk about the next useless smear that won't work,in fact I seen O man's response to charges' of elitism, and not only did he reflect the shit storm back at Hill yet again,and made a real funny diss at Hillarity, but when Hillary tried to respond, she was booed. It was the shit! Obama's campaign is safe and still has a ten point lead in national support. This is the only reason I go to blogs, to hear the stuff I don't hear in the msm, the real important stuff, not regurgitate the news from CNN+FOX+NBC=BS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-73238293504179759412008-04-15T00:12:00.000-04:002008-04-15T00:12:00.000-04:00here's the freedictionary.com's definition of elit...here's the freedictionary.com's definition of elitism...<BR/><BR/><I>elitism or élitism (n.)<BR/>1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.<BR/><B>2. a. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.</B><BR/>b. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.</I><BR/> <BR/>note the operative phrase @ 2. a...<BR/>"sense of entitlement"<BR/><BR/>who fits that bill? <BR/><BR/>it's rather elitist for a candidate to believe that the straight shooting, bullsh** detecting voters of pa. aren't perceptive or discerning enough to see through her bullish.SingaporeSwimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324188257570511872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-51230210804487387152008-04-14T22:42:00.000-04:002008-04-14T22:42:00.000-04:00I lived in a small town in Central Pennsylvania fo...I lived in a small town in Central Pennsylvania for a few years. Actually it was one of those small College towns where the Snobbish College Kids were uphill and the 'Hoobie Hillbillies' lived down hill and there existed a LOVE/HATE relationship. The town was maintained only because of the University and the Prison that supplied the major sources of employment. There were a few manufacturing plants but if not for the university, the town would be a Ghost town. The college students saw the town as a place to get cheap entertainment, beers and liquor, cheap rent and possibly extra credit doing volunteer work. There were no crossing of lines. In my experience, there was a respect BUT never a love for the University Elites. It didn't matter if you were on financial aid or barely getting by or even if you were a poor urban black child from the ghetto, if you attended the university, you were elite. <BR/><BR/>I listened to Obama and as respected, knowledgeable, caring, and generally committed as he is, HIS WORDS, VOCABULARY and POSTURE came off elitist. His presentation was no more different than if he had walked into a HIP-HOP convention and started speaking like Cornell West or a Yale Law School Graduate. No matter what his intentions, he'd be THAT TYPE OF PERSON ... NOT LIKE US.<BR/><BR/>I realized that the audience OBAMA was talking to was in San Fransisco when speaking about small town America (Pennsylvania), but the audience he was talking about are mostly those SWING VOTERS that will give him his edge, give him that chance, and they can be unforgiving because they DO dislike anything that might make them seem "dirty". Perception is Reality and Small Town America always get shafted by the Elites. If Black people can get Twisted if someone dances to close to racial suggestions, why wouldn't small town Americans react to an "elitist" dancing too close to a person's shortcomings with intellectual, financial, social and economic success? <BR/><BR/>I live in the CITY and heard his words and I thought he sounded a little KNOW IT ALL-ish.the poet Shazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00338037314941958216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-87442754201544922522008-04-14T22:08:00.000-04:002008-04-14T22:08:00.000-04:00Take a minute and read Rasmussen Daily Polls.. thi...Take a minute and read Rasmussen Daily Polls.. this poll has proven accurate throughout this campaign.... of note, they say that Obama is viewed as 80% likely to be the nominee and that the Democratic Nominee is most likley to win the presidency.<BR/>http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_pollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-65854036477284877632008-04-14T21:53:00.000-04:002008-04-14T21:53:00.000-04:00So well written, Field. 100% on point.So well written, Field. 100% on point.Liz Dwyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17794296990587989214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-71767505417120408202008-04-14T21:24:00.000-04:002008-04-14T21:24:00.000-04:00Field,I thought you were being a bit harsh with th...Field,<BR/><BR/>I thought you were being a bit harsh with this one at first. But then I read the comments of that congressman from Kentucky, the one who said, 'that boy's finger doesn't need to be on the button,' or words to that effect. You are completely right. This is about some white people thinking Obama's uppity. <BR/><BR/>One politician calls him elitist. Another politician calls him boy. As far as I can tell, Obama has patience. I don't. This entire thing is just too disgusting for words.Isaiah 58https://www.blogger.com/profile/00156588909555104256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-52895775124108027012008-04-14T21:20:00.000-04:002008-04-14T21:20:00.000-04:00Field, First of all, thank you so much for the "Ri...Field, First of all, thank you so much for the "Rich White Snots" picture from Gilligans Island. That had me laughing all day long.<BR/>Then I watched the Annie Oakley vid and got another good laugh. <BR/><BR/>Don't change a thing! Your blog has the best hook on politics, race, and pop culture, with humor !!!!I have ever read. And I read, a lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com