tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post6889545393956560447..comments2024-03-29T03:47:47.027-04:00Comments on field negro: "Common Nonsense": Read it after you put down your bible.field negrohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-19628318212879849782010-05-23T01:31:13.448-04:002010-05-23T01:31:13.448-04:00Geeze, this is a tough one. Beck and his ilk are g...Geeze, this is a tough one. Beck and his ilk are getting people excited over the Constitution and basic American values. But it's a cheap, politically oriented gloss that gets dumbasses and lines the pockets of those talk hosts and their networks.<br /><br />I wish a nonpartisan person with a brain were doing something similar. The U.S. needs unrest about now, but Conservo-talk and tea-bagging isn't the way to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-44435418116354641852010-05-20T01:26:51.913-04:002010-05-20T01:26:51.913-04:00"you have to be kidding right. that is some s..."you have to be kidding right. that is some sensationalist crap that rightwingers love to spew. France and sweden are not becoming islamized in any way, they remain staunchly secular nations..their populations are just more ethnically diverse now. please don't believe everything you see on faux news. and they certainly are not in the stages of cultural decay. Infact, im very curious as to what you define as cultural decay and where you see concrete examples of it..please enlighten me!"<br /><br /><br />I think you if you look into a little bit you will be surprised at how rapidly Europe is disintegrating. I have never seen fox News address this subject. I have been to both Marseilles and to Malmo in the past three years; believe me they are not what you think France and Sweden would be. They can thank in part their "staunch secularism" for their below replacement rate birthrates. A culture that can't bother to reproduce is certainly in "decay".<br /><br />How much art of significance eminates from these countries? Nobel prizes? Technological innovations? Europe is still a culture that contributes, but it has become an ever more minor player compared to America and the dynamic economies of Asia.<br /><br /><br />"You are being taxed..therefore you are already not enjoying the freedom to your full paycheck."<br /><br />So they might as well take all of it, and then portion out as "they" see fit? <br /><br /><br />"The universal declaration of human rights agrees with me."<br /><br />I'll take the Constitution of the United States of America.<br /><br />Your economic rights by necessity erode civil rights, and they are ever expanding. New rights would pop up as fast as people could think of them. Today's right to basic healthcare inevitably would lead to tomorrows right to a "Cadillac" plan. The right to shelter would eventually include a 6 bedroom house with a pool. More and more needs to be taken from the "rich" until eventually the whole thing collapses.<br /><br />I want a world of prosperity, a world free from need for all people. A world where everyone is free to pursue their individual vision of hapiness. The best way to achieve this has been proven by history. Why submit to the politics of resentment and take the easy path to tyrrany when the hard road to freedom has already been paved?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-1679514725226977532010-05-20T00:13:11.139-04:002010-05-20T00:13:11.139-04:00"But European culture is the advanced stages ..."But European culture is the advanced stages of cultural decay. Both France and Sweden are becoming Islamized, and if present trends contine, will become majority muslim countries by mid century."<br /><br />you have to be kidding right. that is some sensationalist crap that rightwingers love to spew. France and sweden are not becoming islamized in any way, they remain staunchly secular nations..their populations are just more ethnically diverse now. please don't believe everything you see on faux news. and they certainly are not in the stages of cultural decay. Infact, im very curious as to what you define as cultural decay and where you see concrete examples of it..please enlighten me! <br /><br />Most people who use such talking points as france and sweden being islamized, also believe that the new Miss USA is a hezbollah terrorist. <br /><br /><br />"By expanding the concept of rights to include the guarantee of healthcare or education, you must by necessity deprive citizens of more fundamental rights to pay for it."<br /><br />But that is where you're getting the argument twisted. You are being taxed..therefore you are already not enjoying the freedom to your full paycheck. You do not have anymore freedom on that issue then any other person in this world..apart from those living in tax free havens. <br /><br />Thus, the tax rate is not an issue of freedom..it is an issue of proportionlitiy. HOW MUCH should we be taxed, not WHETHER we should be taxed. That is another debate. But to construct the argument as an issue of freedom is false.<br /><br />We also differ on a core idea, and that is the concept of rights. Thats why we'll never agree.<br /><br />You seem to believe in solely civil rights. <br /><br />I believe in both civil and economic rights. I believe one cannot and should not function with the other. Both are necessary to be able to live a life of dignity.<br /><br />The universal declaration of human rights agrees with me.<br /><br />"The first cluster of articles, 3 to 21, sets forth civil and political rights to which everyone is entitled. The right to life, liberty and personal security, recognized in Article 3, sets the base for all following political rights and civil liberties, including freedom from slavery, torture and arbitrary arrest, as well as the rights to a fair trial, free speech and free movement and privacy.<br /><br />The second cluster of articles, 22 to27, sets forth the economic, social and cultural rights to which all human beings are entitled. The cornerstone of these rights is Article 22, acknowledging that, as a member of society, everyone has the right to social security and is therefore entitled to the realization of the economic, social and cultural rights "indispensable" for his or her dignity and free and full personal development. Five articles elaborate the rights necessary for the enjoyment of the fundamental right to social security, including economic rights related to work, fair remuneration and leisure, social rights concerning an adequate standard of living for health, well-being and education, and the right to participate in the cultural life of the community."<br /><br />http://www.un.org/rights/HRToday/declar.htmcoffee and cigarettesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-89671471954358181992010-05-19T21:18:33.673-04:002010-05-19T21:18:33.673-04:00"Maybe the better debate is whether you belie..."Maybe the better debate is whether you believe health and education to be in the realm of rights? "<br /><br />No, I do not. If you expand "rights" to include things that, in order to provide, you must infringe on the rights of others, then you diminish the real rights basic to "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness". <br /><br />Whether you feel these rights are God given, or are "Natural Law", they are those rights everyone is due based on their humanity.<br /><br />America was founded by people who sought to guarantee these natural rights through the creation of civil society.<br /><br />In the civil society, the individual is recognized and accepted as more than an abstract statistic or faceless member of some group; rather, he is a unique, spiritual being with a soul and a conscience. He is free to discover his own potential and pursue his own legitimate interests, tempered, however, by a moral order that has its foundation in faith. As such, the individual in the civil society strives, albeit imperfectly, to be virtuous—that is, restrained, ethical, and honorable. <br /><br />In the civil society, private property and liberty are inseparable. The individual’s right to live freely and safely and pursue happiness includes the right to acquire and possess property, which represents the fruits of his own labor. As the individual’s time on earth is finite, so, too, is his labor. The illegitimate denial or diminution of his private property enslaves him to another and denies him his liberty.<br /><br />To the extent that the state makes material demands on individual property, it makes him a slave. The only legitimate demands the state has on property are those specifically allowed in the constitution,; the raising of taxes for those limited necessary functions delegated to the state that serve the direct common interest such as maintenance of the national defense, interstate commerce (roads), etc.<br /><br />By expanding the concept of rights to include the guarantee of healthcare or education, you must by necessity deprive citizens of more fundamental rights to pay for it.<br /><br />This in no way prevents a community from providing healthcare or education to its populace. Any state or city can decide such things are a necessary component of their community. If you don't like that they do or they don't, you can move down the road. For the federal government to impose such requirements is a direct violation of the Constitution.<br /><br />ALSO:<br />1. "and the funniest one of all..Womens suffrage-you're saying that womens suffrage was a bad thing? so women shouldn't be able to vote?"<br /><br />I was joking, which is why I wrote "just kidding"<br /><br />2. Prohibition was a"noble cause" to those who pushed it. Likewise, banning DDT is a "noble cause" to environmentalists. The Treaty of Versaille was part of Wilson's "noble cause" to to provide self-determination to the peoples of central and eastern Europe.<br /><br />3. "states like france and sweden are social welfare states yet they seem to be just fine. and their culture is not in decay."<br /><br />But European culture is the advanced stages of cultural decay. Both France and Sweden are becoming Islamized, and if present trends contine, will become majority muslim countries by mid century. You may or may not think this a good thing, but they certainly won't be France or Sweden culturally any more. And in case you hadn't noticed, the unsustainable welfare states of Europe are at the initial stages of insolvency. Today Greece, tomorrow Spain, Portugal and Ireland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-59300768955085968822010-05-19T02:17:26.661-04:002010-05-19T02:17:26.661-04:00"I'd like both, but if I have to pick, I&..."I'd like both, but if I have to pick, I'll take freedom over security."<br /><br />The point is, you don't have to choose. thats the beauty of it: you can have both.Freedom and security are not two mutually exclusive concepts. If you want to talk about big lies, thats the biggest lie pushed by the right: that somehow its one or the other. simply not true. if you want only freedom and do not want security-well thats your choice and your political viewpoint, but i choose both.<br /><br />"The governement didn't advocate civil rights or womens rights; the Civils Rights movement and the Women's movement did. The people are the source of rights, not the government. Government only advocates for established power, and thus governement advocacy must be necessity be a form of oppression."<br /><br />The majority of the population wanted civil rights? I'm not so sure about that. <br /><br />Yes movements pushed government into action..thats the beauty of democracy. However, unpopular legislation still had to be pushed through where a majority of the population in a particular state did not want it to pass. The argument that you're using now for healthcare can be the same argument used against civil rights...state autonomy, public opinion etc. And look at the uproar that took place when schools were first desegragated.<br /><br />The majority can never and should never be able to trample the rights of others. I believe that access to health and education are a right. The universal declaration of human rights, to which the US is a party to, agrees with me. Maybe the better debate is whether you believe health and education to be in the realm of rights? <br /><br /><br />"You're serious? Social welfare state/cultural decay and eventual bankruptcy*; Prohibition/gang violence; Treaty of Versaille/World war II; Communism/100 million dead; Banning DDT/Millions of African kids dead of malaria; Women's suffrage"<br /><br />Are YOU serious?? <br /><br />I asked for examples where a noble cause can directly be linked to misery.<br /><br />Gang violence-how did this come about from a noble cause?<br />Malaria-seriuosly, same question?<br />treaty of versaille-it wasn't a noble cause, it was the victors of WWI seeking revenge and imposing tremendously difficult obligations on germany. how is this noble?<br />WWII-again, how was this linked to a noble cause? <br /><br />and the funniest one of all..Womens suffrage-you're saying that womens suffrage was a bad thing? so women shouldn't be able to vote?<br /><br />Social/welfar state/cultural decay and eventual bankruptcy-its easy to make a claim and not back them up with evidence. states like france and sweden are social welfare states yet they seem to be just fine. and their culture is not in decay. infact, the scandivanian countries have the highest living standard in the world. so if you could actually provide me with a logical link between the mere presence of a social welfare state and cultural decay and eventual bankruptcy, im all ears.<br /><br />I think you should also reconsider how you define freedom and choice. If someone cannot afford access to quality health and educatioin, it is not their 'choice'..it is their circumstance.coffee and cigarettesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-51818644780158143152010-05-18T00:34:13.276-04:002010-05-18T00:34:13.276-04:00@ coffee and cigarettes:
"Polls have shown t...@ coffee and cigarettes:<br /><br />"Polls have shown that the majority of the US population was for health care reform."<br /><br />Not only was that not true when the bill was passed, a majority of Americans <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/health_care_law" rel="nofollow">still oppose </a> the healthcare bill.<br /><br /><br />"I'd like to also point out that the majority of the south was against the civil rights act..does this mean it should've never been passed?"<br /><br />No, because the majority of the country was for it. Unlike the healthcare bill.<br /><br /><br />"You can speak your mind in europe too, just as much as the US. The only thing you can be charged under are racial vilifiaction laws."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1270364/Christian-preacher-hooligan-charge-saying-believes-homosexuality-sin.html" rel="nofollow">Wrong again</a>.<br /><br /><br />"What you do get though are longer holidays, shorter working hours, higher minimum wage, and wider safety nets if you were ever to fall behind. Not such bad things are they?"<br /><br />I'd like both, but if I have to pick, I'll take freedom over security.<br /><br /><br />"Firstly lets get one thing straight-they are not your rulers, they are your representatives."<br /><br />If they were our representatives, they would not have passed a healthcare bill opposed by the electorate. I hope that November shows them they are not truly rulers.<br /><br /><br />"...please give me examples(noble causes/misery), i would love to hear this"<br /><br />You're serious? Social welfare state/cultural decay and eventual bankruptcy*; Prohibition/gang violence; Treaty of Versaille/World war II; Communism/100 million dead; Banning DDT/Millions of African kids dead of malaria; Women's suffrage/Democrat presidents (just kidding)<br /><br />*The unfunded future liability of Social Security is $10 trillion; for Medicare it is $61 trillion. The programs did not reduce poverty or improve the healthcare system. a now Obama has added another $50 trillion in unfunded liabilities. None of these obligations will be met. The people who really need help will be left with nothing.<br /><br />"Okay, so by your logic the government shouldn't have advocated civil rights? or womens rights?"<br /><br />The governement didn't advocate civil rights or womens rights; the Civils Rights movement and the Women's movement did. The people are the source of rights, not the government. Government only advocates for established power, and thus governement advocacy must be necessity be a form of oppression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-6426822085492367682010-05-17T23:48:58.216-04:002010-05-17T23:48:58.216-04:00@ Black Diaspora:
Yougave me a chance to exhale f...@ Black Diaspora:<br /><br />Yougave me a chance to exhale from my day with this conversation...always a pleasure when we bring what maks us all interrelated..God.<br /><br />Now I'm going to have to use this line and I will give you the credit:<br /><br />"We need to upgrade our understanding of God."<br /><br />Upgrade...:)<br /><br />Peace.<br />~agape2010~agape2010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-43578737743994655532010-05-17T22:48:23.016-04:002010-05-17T22:48:23.016-04:00you clearly do not have a clear idea what socialis...you clearly do not have a clear idea what socialism and fascism are. both can be authoritarian, but they are not the same thing.<br /><br />"First they came for the Tea Partiers....."<br /><br />Nobody is coming for the tea partiers! they are utilizing they're lawful right to protest..good for them. at the same time i can use my lawful right of freedom of speech to criticize their silly arguements. <br /><br />"Like passing an unread Health care bill expropriating 17% of the economy via parlimentary tricks, in the dead of night, against public sentiment?"<br /><br />I'm sorry but..are you serious? The bill was there to be read. It was not passed by any tricks, but by standard parlimentary procedure..just like any other bill. The democratic process was not somehow suspended. It was passed by a democratically elected majority. And there was alot of public sentiment for it aswell. Polls have shown that the majority of the US population was for health care reform. <br /><br />I'd like to also point out that the majority of the south was against the civil rights act..does this mean it should've never been passed?<br /><br />If you criticize anything about the health care bill, critize the fact that lobby groups like AMA got involved. That is what skewed the democratic process-corporate and group interests were placed over public interests.<br /><br />"Well, for one thing, I can speak my mind here. There are things you are not allowed to say in Europe, and if you offend your rulers, you can be prosecuted. I also have more claim on the fruit of my labor and the fair use of may property, even as these rights are under attack."<br /><br />You can speak your mind in europe too, just as much as the US. The only thing you can be charged under are racial vilifiaction laws. <br /><br />Your tax is lower but you're health, education and other social services are dismal in comparison. <br /><br />There are no limits on how you use your own property so i'm not sure what you're talking about there.<br /><br />What you do get though are longer holidays, shorter working hours, higher minimum wage, and wider safety nets if you were ever to fall behind. Not such bad things are they?<br /><br />"And as far as "social justice" goes, you want your rulers to be able decide how much money you can make? Where and how you can live? What medical procedures you deserve? Are you crazy"<br /><br />Firstly lets get one thing straight-they are not your rulers, they are your representatives. You do not live in a monarchy or dictatorship. Feel free to vote them out if you're unhappy with what they've done. <br /><br />Secondly, nobody is propsing to decide where you live. <br /><br />About how much money you make-nobody is going to decide that either. Yes i believe a minimum wage should be set. Afterall, we live in a civilized society not an anarchy or dog-eat-dog world. There are some things that as society we should deem unacceptable, and unfair wage for the amount you work is one of them. And you are obviously going to get taxed no matter where you live, unless you decide to move to dubai or leichenstein.<br /><br />Medical procedures-nobody but a qualified doctor is going to decide what medical procedures you need!<br /><br />"Noble causes have been the source of untold misery across the ages.."<br /><br />please give me examples, i would love to hear this.<br /><br />"I'll decide what causes I wish to advocate. I don't want my government crusading for anything.."<br /><br />Okay, so by your logic the government shouldn't have advocated civil rights? or womens rights?coffee and cigarettesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-19159885892879658362010-05-17T15:55:49.843-04:002010-05-17T15:55:49.843-04:00agape2010 said... "For me, I never reduce God...agape2010 said... "For me, I never reduce God to what my thinking can come up with as to who God is, the mind of God, or even specific genderlike qualities God may posess. I do not put God in a box..."<br /><br />We can never rise higher than the fountainhead, the source. And that's a good thing. That mean: Our joy, and the experience of it, can never be circumscribed, just as the infinite can't be circumscribed.<br /><br />"I know some of the qualities of God and I know that God resides in me...it is up to me to feed that and show that (and I fail at it sometimes)."<br /><br />You're doing just fine. As long as you know where God resides, his residence, so to speak, you can always find your way back home.<br /><br />You know what many have yet to realize: You and God reside at the same address.<br /><br />"I know that God has given us options...and that we (the collective) are not choosing our options wisely, with disregard for who God is...and yes, we must get "it" right..."<br /><br />I'm hopeful that we will. I see signs of it occurring (our getting it right), but I'd be more assured, if the signs were more plentiful.<br /><br />Humankind is running out of options, not because the options don't exist, but because we have cut ourselves off from them.<br /><br />"I belive the earth is reclaiming itself because we do not take care of it properly...and the earth has always had a way of shaking people off of it and going about its business of being the earth."<br /><br />True, we are poor stewards. We have taken the command to "subdue" the earth, as a command "to conquer and subjugate" it. We "subdue" the earth by learning its secrets, and working with it, rather than against it.<br /><br />Gaia has taught us well about the oneness of all things, the interdependence of all things (what we've come to know as the ecosystem), and the folly of destroying these fragile alliances.<br /><br />"It may be the plan of God for us to eliminate ourselves..how would I know of such a plan...the God that I know is a loving God but a jealous God..."<br /><br />God desires for us only joy, fulfillment, peace, and the experience of all that we are.<br /><br />We're the ones who are deciding, and choosing our untimely demise. We're the ones who're ignoring what is plainer than day in our pursuit of disunity, and the notion that there are needs and insufficiencies. <br /><br />"But I am smart enough to know that people will twist and turn what we know of God and make God out to be something ugly, hateful and distorted...those people do serve a god...but it is not the God I serve..."<br /><br />And by their twisting and turning God into something "ugly, hateful and distorted" they twist and turn themselves into something "ugly, hateful and distorted." <br /><br />We need to upgrade our understanding of God. Our old concepts of God aren't serving us in this modern age. <br /><br />"May peace and the abundance of joy be favored upon you all your days."<br /><br />Thank you. I can think of no greater blessing than that of joy and peace.Black Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890792781361839105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-60001605313312223112010-05-17T14:51:35.743-04:002010-05-17T14:51:35.743-04:00coffee and cigarettes said...
"And you are ri...coffee and cigarettes said...<br />"And you are right-Benito Mussolini was originally a socialist, but he went through a political transformation and became a fascist."<br /><br />Fascism is simply extreme socialism plus nationalism.<br /><br /><br />""Labor Front" replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers."<br /><br />Kind of like the SEIU?<br /><br /><br />"Haven't you ever read Niemollers famous poem...about the nazis coming for the communists, the jews and the trade unionists?"<br /><br />First they came for the Tea Partiers.....<br /><br /><br />"IMO, the best way to counteract authoritarianism is not through smaller government but through transparancy, accountability, the bill of rights and the rule of law."<br /><br />Like passing an unread Health care bill expropriating 17% of the economy via parlimentary tricks, in the dead of night, against public sentiment?<br /><br /><br />"And i also fail to see what is so bad about 'social justice.' Isn't it a noble cause?"<br /><br />Noble causes have been the source of untold misery across the ages. I'll decide what causes I wish to advocate. I don't want my government crusading for anything. And as far as "social justice" goes, you want your rulers to be able decide how much money you can make? Where and how you can live? What medical procedures you deserve? Are you crazy?<br /><br /><br />"How are you more free than a citizen of france or sweden for example, countries where government regulations are much tougher?"<br /><br />Well, for one thing, I can speak my mind here. There are things you are not allowed to say in Europe, and if you offend your rulers, you can be prosecuted. I also have more claim on the fruit of my labor and the fair use of may property, even as these rights are under attack.<br /><br /><br />"How is the quality of life for the average person worse due to Obama?'<br /><br />For one, his economic policies have extended this recession for a year now. That aside, does material comfort trump all? The "average" German saw their quality of life rise under Hitler.<br /><br /><br />The Leftist hunger for "change" to the society that they hate leads to a hunger for control over other people. And they will do and say anything to get that control: "Power at any price". Leftist politicians are mostly self-aggrandizing crooks who gain power by deceiving the uninformed with snake-oil promises -- power which they invariably use to destroy. Destruction is all that they are good at. Destruction is what haters do. I will stand with the productive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-54355915248631360712010-05-17T14:22:49.172-04:002010-05-17T14:22:49.172-04:00Anon..prior to the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, ...Anon..prior to the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, worker protests had spread all across Germany in response to the Great Depression. Hitler exploited this social unrest by promising workers to strengthen their labor unions and increase their standard of living. <br /><br />But these were empty promises. Once in power, Hitler showed his true colors by promptly breaking all his promises to workers. The Nazis abolished trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike. An organization called the "Labor Front" replaced the old trade unions, but it was an instrument of the Nazi party and did not represent workers. <br /><br />http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm<br /><br />Haven't you ever read Niemollers famous poem...about the nazis coming for the communists, the jews and the trade unionists? No matter how you try to cloak it, Hitler was not a socialist and his beliefs were the antithesis of leftist thought.<br /><br />"Perhaps a better division than Left or Right is between those who call for more government control and those who call for more individual liberty. I know what side I'm on"<br /><br />well that depends on your definition of individual freedoms and liberty. with rights come responsibilities. <br /><br />I think the government should stay away from all the private affairs of its citizens..as long as nobody is getting hurt or exploited. <br /><br />however, i think government regulations are definitely needed in some areas. i would even argue that individual liberty is impossible to achieve without government regulation.<br /><br />ie..at the most basic level, the government ensure that you have freedom of life by making it illegal for somebody to kill you. at a bit more sophisticated level, it enacts minimum wage to make sure you have a chance at a decent quality of life. those who have to worry about where they're next meal is going to come from cannot in essence be 'free.' <br /><br />the government builds schools and hospitals to give its citizens access to health and education, and in my opinion should try and make this access as fair and even as possible. i do not believe that society should be driven solely by the 'profit motive'..the amount of money you have should not determine the quality of health and education you recieve.<br /><br /><br />smaller government may sound good in theory, but it falls flat on its face in practice. a lack of regulations screws the little guys while benifiting the big guy. lack of regulation is what caused the financial crisis.<br /><br />if we didn't have regulations, companies would be able to pollute however they want..employers could pay their employees however they want..dismiss them however they want and risk their lives however they want. <br /><br />this is why we choose not to live in an anarchy. all these regulations are able to exist because of government interference. i dont know about you, but i trust a public body that i can vote in and out and hold accountable much more than i trust a boss or corporation that i cannot. a government, ideally, is set up to represent the people. a company is set up to make profit. that alone should tell you something about regulations in the economic sphere.<br /><br />IMO, the best way to counteract authoritarianism is not through smaller government but through transparancy, accountability, the bill of rights and the rule of law.<br /><br />And i also fail to see what is so bad about 'social justice.' Isn't it a noble cause?<br /><br />what about government control today is in conflict with your individual liberty?<br /><br />How are you more free than a citizen of france or sweden for example, countries where government regulations are much tougher? <br /><br />How is the quality of life for the average person worse due to Obama?coffee and cigarettesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-11082846140377536182010-05-17T12:49:09.986-04:002010-05-17T12:49:09.986-04:00C&C: "But i think all of these leaders t...C&C: "But i think all of these leaders that we've mentioned had something vitally in common. they all loved and worshipped their idealogy over humanity. and there lies the problem. you always have to put humanity and people first."<br /><br />Which is why I am for limited government, and feel the path that the statists who run our government today, no matter how "benign" it all seems now, can only lead to someplace bad.<br /><br />And as for the Nazi's, I'll let their front man take it from here:<br /><br />"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler<br />(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)<br /><br />Call it what you will (I'll stick with Leftism), but it is the same appeal for government to address "social justice" as we hear today.<br /><br />Perhaps a better division than Left or Right is between those who call for more government control and those who call for more individual liberty. I know what side I'm on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-44099615718025986362010-05-17T12:30:27.143-04:002010-05-17T12:30:27.143-04:00Anon 11:10 am
Seriously, i dont even know how to ...Anon 11:10 am<br /><br />Seriously, i dont even know how to begin to address all this. <br /><br />I'm aware what 'NAZI' stood for, if you had actually bothered to read my post you would've have seen this.<br /><br />"The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist."<br /><br />Are you serious? If it was such a <br />'big lie', don't you think credible historians would have realized this and enlightened us? is it all part of some big global conspiracy to keep us uninformed?<br /><br />And again, please answer my question..are ideas of aryan superiority, nationalism, anti-marxism etc more left or right? progressive or regressive?<br /><br /><br />"Instead, the Nazi movement had developed out of the "enlightened" and "progressive" socialist and collectivist ideas of the pre-World War I era, which many intellectuals in England and the United States had praised and propagandized for in their own countries"<br /><br />Seriously, you've clearly never studied any credible form of history. Your claim that Nazi's developed out of the 'progressives' is such nonsense that it makes me laugh!! hahahahaha.<br /><br />firstly, based on the facts just plain wrong. i dont have to cite my sources because they're everywhere. if you believe this claim to be true, please give me a source and i would love to have a look at it.<br /><br />secondly, just philosophically speaking...nazi ideas are regressive not progressive. therefore even if people that labelled themselves as 'progressive' developed nazi ideas (which i highly doubt but ill go there for the sake of argument), these people were clearly then not actually progressive! just because you decide to label yourself something..does not make it so. i could call myself a cat but i would still be a human being. it does not follow that ideas such as racism, anti-semitism, aryan superiority etc can be deemed PROGRESSIVE. <br /><br />Lastly, there are these things called nuance and context and we use these in the real world.<br /><br />you can be left/progressive on economic issues yet right/conservative on social and moral issues. and vice versa. you can also be authoriatian left or right, and democratic left or right.<br /><br /><br />On the issue of Stalin-I don't know why you brought him up, because i am not trying to defend him. i think he was a crazy fuck. Many leftist leaders of his time held the same view. Look up the non-alligned movement..many socialist countries refused to be alligned with either the eastern or western bloc during the cold war. Cuba and Yugoslavia on the top of my head.<br /><br />And you are right-Benito Mussolini was originally a socialist, but he went through a political transformation and became a fascist.<br /><br />My original point was not that all those who call themselves socialists get some sort of moral pass, if that is what you're trying to suggest. my point was that both rightwing and leftwing leaders have been responsible for bloodshed. Rightwing leaders much more so and i can give you a whole list of cases why. <br /><br /><br />But i think all of these leaders that we've mentioned had something vitally in common. they all loved and worshipped their idealogy over humanity. and there lies the problem. you always have to put humanity and people first.<br /><br />the same shit happens when people love god over humanity..religious wars, 9/11, london bombings.. or money over humanity. iraq war, vietnam, colonialism, etccoffee and cigarettesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-39983576238366175822010-05-17T11:10:07.798-04:002010-05-17T11:10:07.798-04:00@coffee and cigarettes: You and Field need to do ...@coffee and cigarettes: You and Field need to do some reading beyond the two paragraphs you skimmed in high school. The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist. It was in fact typical of the Leftism of its day. It was only to the Right of Stalin's Communism. The very word "Nazi" is a German abbreviation for "National Socialist" (Nationalsozialist) and the full was "The National Socialist German Workers' Party". "Fascism" is a term that was originally coined by Mussolini to describe his adaptation of Marxism to the conditions of Italy after WW I. Lenin in Russia made somewhat different adaptations of Marxism to the conditions in Russia during the same period and his came to be called Marxism/Leninism. Mussolini stayed closer to Marx as he felt that Italy had to go through a capitalist stage before it could reach socialism whereas Lenin attempted to push Russia straight from semi-feudalism into socialism. Mussolini's principal modification of Marxism was his rejection of the notion of class war, something that put him decisively at odds with Lenin's "Reds". Mussolini's ideas and system were very influential and he had many imitators -- not the least of which was Adolf Hitler.<br /><br />German Nazism was not an aberrant "right-wing" perversion growing out of the "contradictions" of capitalism. Instead, the Nazi movement had developed out of the "enlightened" and "progressive" socialist and collectivist ideas of the pre-World War I era, which many intellectuals in England and the United States had praised and propagandized for in their own countries. American "Progressives" of the late 19th and early 20th century were not only Leftists but they were also war-glorifying militarists. Hitler got not only his eugenic ideas from American Leftists but even his ideas about war being a purification of the national spirit etc. And who was it who said this?:"Conformity will be the only virtue and any man who refuses to conform will have to pay the penalty." Was it Hitler? It sounds very much like either Adolf or Mussolini in the 1930’s but it was in fact said while both Hitler and Mussolini were still in the trenches of World War I by the President of the United States, the arch-Progressive Woodrow Wilson. Racism was very LEFTIST in Hitler's day. Leftists like to portray Wilson as a visionary. They neglect to mention that the future he envisioned was a racially segregated one.<br /><br />There was a striking similarity between FDR's New Deal and the methods that Hitler used to get Germany out of the Depression. Both FDR and Hitler instituted massive government spending campaigns, including public-works programs, to bring full employment to their countries. The Nazis also imposed an extensive system of governmental control over German businesses. Was Roosevelt's approach any different? Consider FDR's National Recovery Act, characterized by the infamous Blue Eagle. With the NRA, the U.S. government required entire industries to combine into government-protected cartels, and directed them to fix wages and prices in their respective industries. If a businessman refused to go along, he faced prosecution and punishment, not to mention protest demonstrations from Blue Eagle supporters. (The Supreme Court ultimately declared the NRA unconstitutional.) <br />Let's also not forget the important paternalistic elements of Hitler's national socialism: Social Security, national health care, public schooling, and unemployment compensation. Sound familiar? <br /><br />20th century Fascism was in fact an American invention, or more precisely an invention of the American Left. Like many American ideas to this day, however, it proved immensely popular in Europe and it was only in Europe that it was put fully into practice. As it does today, American conservatism kept the American Left in some check in the first half of the 20th century so it was only in Europe that their ideas could come into full bloom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-13121476689607219962010-05-17T11:03:11.601-04:002010-05-17T11:03:11.601-04:00Field..
"C&C, there in lies the problem: ...Field..<br />"C&C, there in lies the problem: "high school". I think you have to reach it before you know these things, no?"<br /><br />Hahaha..yes, you make a very good point!coffee and cigarettesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-53570185681152821792010-05-17T09:54:11.901-04:002010-05-17T09:54:11.901-04:00fn:
gb is one insane tv hack!
hobama is doing FA...fn:<br /><br />gb is one insane tv hack!<br /><br />hobama is doing FAR more to destroy america and he is prez select until 2016...<br /><br />which one should we truly be fretting over???<br /><br />http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/can-tom-joyner-wake-up-tavis-smiley-never-left.htmlalicia bankshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921804031029586951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-37793096454734315652010-05-17T06:55:07.713-04:002010-05-17T06:55:07.713-04:00"Its a pretty well known historical fact that..."Its a pretty well known historical fact that the Nazis were rightwing extremists and i cannot believe im debating this with you. you are supposed to know this by the time you reach high school (seriously, did you never take a history class?) but here goes.."<br /><br />C&C, there in lies the problem: "high school". I think you have to reach it before you know these things, no?<br /><br />The Fire Next Time, great comment.I co-sign 110%field negrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15411743587725023134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-47899804008455045982010-05-17T04:48:55.661-04:002010-05-17T04:48:55.661-04:00@ Black Diaspora:
One more thing...if you underst...@ Black Diaspora:<br /><br />One more thing...if you understand numerology you can see that I use 2010...yes it is this year, but I have been using it for more than 5 years now...)<br /><br />Peace.<br />~agape2010~agape2010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-37023628587663370652010-05-17T04:46:43.656-04:002010-05-17T04:46:43.656-04:00@ Black Diaspora:
Apologies for the late reply.
...@ Black Diaspora:<br /><br />Apologies for the late reply.<br /><br />I am in agreement with 98% of what you wrote...I love when syncopation happens and it has happened twice on this post...:) Joy!<br /><br />For me, I never reduce God to what my thinking can come up with as to who God is, the mind of God, or even specific genderlike qualities God may posess. I do not put God in a box...<br /><br />I am of the belief that if we truly knew the One True God that we would see the foolishness of serving lesser gods.<br /><br />I also do not think that I am able to "create" God...although I do think some people do create God and I also think that while they are "creating" God they get it wrong...and fly airplanes into buildings or hate others or even belive there is no God.<br /><br />I know that I only use 1/10th of the brain I was given (and probabaly not even all of that for me)...therfore, if I was able to have more brain power/usage...I may come to a better knowledge of God.<br /><br />I know some of the qualities of God and I know that God resides in me...it is up to me to feed that and show that (and I fail at it sometimes).<br /><br />I know that God has given us options...and that we (the collective) are not choosing our options wisely, with disregard for who God is...and yes, we must get "it" right...<br /><br />When a catastophe happens (Katrina, earthquakes, tsunamis etc.) peope think the "world" is coming to an end...I belive the earth is reclaiming itself because we do not take care of it properly...and the earth has always had a way of shaking people off of it and going about its business of being the earth.<br /><br />It may be the plan of God for us to eliminate ourselves..how would I know of such a plan...the God that I know is a loving God but a jealous God...<br /><br />I firmly agree with what Race traitoress said and what you quoted in Conversations with God...<br /><br />But I am smart enough to know that people will twist and turn what we know of God and make God out to be something ugly, hateful and distorted...those people do serve a god...but it is not the God I serve...<br /><br />I knew by your writings that you swin in deep waters...:)<br /><br />May peace and the abundance of joy be favored upon you all your days.<br /><br />Peace.<br />~agape2010~<br />And I know you understand why I call myself agape...<br /><br />word verf: chinge :)agape2010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-11575553153175414612010-05-17T04:09:15.637-04:002010-05-17T04:09:15.637-04:00@ FN:
I know! Right?! Always nice when syncopati...@ FN:<br /><br />I know! Right?! Always nice when syncopation happens...:) about the Carey/Greg thing. <br /><br />Peace. <br />~agape2010~agape2010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-3019320307182580322010-05-17T03:34:02.888-04:002010-05-17T03:34:02.888-04:00Race Traitoress said...
"@Black Diaspora
&q...Race Traitoress said... <br /><i>"@Black Diaspora<br /><br />"That is lovely. Is this the book by Neale Donald Walsch? I just looked it up, but was not familiar with it.<br /><br />"We are telling the same story, to be sure.<br /><br />"Thank you."</i><br /><br />Yes. <i>Neale Donald Walsch</i> is the author of several books from the <i>Conversations with God</i> series of books, of which this is one.<br /><br />If you haven't read him, you're in for a treat, whether you agree with all that is said or not.Black Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890792781361839105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-28817585989775321872010-05-17T02:52:16.765-04:002010-05-17T02:52:16.765-04:00"C&C, check and mate on that anon.@ 11:15..."C&C, check and mate on that anon.@ 11:15 p.m. Folks need to read before they start with the historical references about politics."<br /><br />Thanks field. What astonishes me about these wingnuts is that they'll make the most false statements and try to parody them off as facts.<br /><br />Anon 11:33 pm "Your are so proud of your ignorance.<br /><br />Hitler was socialsit."<br /><br />Please do some light reading and educate yourself anon. <br /><br />Hitler was a fascist. He was in no way left wing. <br /><br />You're most likely getting confused with the name of his party...National Socialist German Workers Party. This does not mean they were lefwing. My response to you was about your comment that left-wing leaders were responsible for millions of deaths.<br /><br />Its a pretty well known historical fact that the Nazis were rightwing extremists and i cannot believe im debating this with you. you are supposed to know this by the time you reach high school (seriously, did you never take a history class?) but here goes..<br /><br />Despite the name, Hitler and the nazis did not consider themselves leftists in any shape or form. In fact, they were deeply anti-marxist and one of the first groups they prosecuted when they came to power were the marxists/communists. Hitler held a few basic principles: extreme nationalism, anti-semitism, anti-marxism and aryan superiority. do these sound like leftist principles to you?<br /><br />If you can't fathom this, take a look at neo-nazi groups in the world today..are they on the extreme left or right of the political scale???<br /><br />I'll make it easy for you, i'll give you a few wiki links...they shouldn't be too hard to understand, even with limited comprehension skills. READ UP FRIEND<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitlercoffee and cigarettesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-52368573131593327412010-05-17T02:43:33.066-04:002010-05-17T02:43:33.066-04:00@Black Diaspora
That is lovely. Is this the book...@Black Diaspora<br /><br />That is lovely. Is this the book by Neale Donald Walsch? I just looked it up, but was not familiar with it.<br /><br />We are telling the same story, to be sure.<br /><br />Thank you.Race Traitoresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14255889194578513886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-5229848503207989132010-05-17T02:15:45.714-04:002010-05-17T02:15:45.714-04:00@Race Traitoress said... "Whoever does not lo...@Race Traitoress said... "Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love.” (1 John 4:8; NRSV)<br /><br />"God is love is God.<br /><br />"Blessings to you."<br /><br />I like that: "God is love is God." I've never heard it stated that way.<br /><br />Today, you made my posting here more rewarding that I had hoped.<br /><br />Let me share this, as you have shared with me, and bless you, as you have blessed me:<br /><br /> <i>"[L]ove is Who You Are, and who you have always been. It is all there ever was, is now, and ever shall be.<br /> <br /> "You have searched for a truth by which to live your life, and I give it to you here, again.<br /><br /> "Be love, My Beloved.<br /><br /> "Be love, and your journey will be over, even as your new journey to bring others to mastery has just begun. For love is all that you are, all that I am, and all that we were ever meant to be.<br /><br /> "So be it."</i> <br /><br />From: <i>Communion with God.</i>Black Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890792781361839105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23428832.post-28949332292110789542010-05-17T01:12:47.319-04:002010-05-17T01:12:47.319-04:00@Black Diaspora
We create God. Give that some tho...@Black Diaspora<br /><br /><i>We create God. Give that some thought. Until we create a God that's superior to the God in which we have been believing, all is lost.</i><br /><br />Long ago I was a seeker, and even quite devout. Coming through all that, I've ended with science and mathematics. Regarding God, the mathematics are right there for anyone to see. <br /><br />Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love.” (1 John 4:8; NRSV)<br /><br />God is love is God.<br /><br />Blessings to you.Race Traitoresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14255889194578513886noreply@blogger.com