*It's getting tougher and tougher to fight the well coordinated wingnut hate machine these days. And the way things have been going for the dumbocrats lately you might want to switch over to the republiklans. What's that old saying? Oh yeah, "if you can't beat em join em."
If you are a person of color it has to be particularly tough. Where do you go?
Well, fortunately for you, your friendly neighborhood field Negro is here to help. I have come up with a few tips for you to endear yourself to your right wing republiklan friends.
So here they are. 10 things that you should [or should not do] if you want to be a right wing friendly Negro:
1. Always laugh at tasteless Gay and immigrant jokes. So these two fags went into a bar....ha ha ha, that's a good one Jim.
2. Never talk about how much money you have or how successful you are. That old adage that "there is nothing a white man with a penny hates more than a nigger with a nickel" is particularly true with wingnuts.
3. Tell them you hate that Obama fella even more than they do.
4. Always refer to other black people as them and they. Never us or we. Distance is important. You want to be seen as an individual, not as just another one of them.
5. Always speak properly. Unless, of course, you are pretending to speak like other black people. Then, of course, it's alright to use ebonics.
6. Never ever rain on their stereotype parade. If offered some watermelon and fried chicken around your wingnut friends tell them how much you love that shit, and ask them if they have some Kool-Aid to go with it. Even if you hate fried chicken and watermelon gives you the runs.
7. Always keep your television on FOX News in case one of them makes a surprise visit. The last thing you want to do is go scrambling for the remote when the doorbell rings.
8. Props are important. Keep certain books around the house like Mein Kampf, Imperium, and anything by the likes of Arthur de Gobineau, Beck, and Coulter. Trust me, they will be impressed. Hey, I didn't know you read Yockey? I knew that there was something about you I liked.
9. Brush up on your NASCAR. Instead of watching NFL Today and some for the other shows on ESPN all Sunday, start watching the NASCAR reports on FOX Sports. I think Mark Martin is going to take the Winston Cup this year. He finally has a faster car. What do you think Jim?
10. Finally, [and this is a twofer]tell them that you can't stand it when people talk about Sarah Palin's looks and forget just how smart she is.
*Pic courtesy of my friend ArtMaggot.
Field, I'm surprised at you for doing this. How could you stoop so low? You didn't even give CF credit for helping you.
ReplyDeleteGood tips though (I'm sure others will come up with more to add) LOL
Here's the real killer, field:
ReplyDeleteNo one who really calls the shots on the right wing actually believes what gets put out. They pride themselves in not believing it. Their cynicism is a badge of honor and an admission ticket to the inner sanctum.
White people who believe it get laughed at, but black people who believe it get laughed at even harder because they are like Jews for Hitler, and everyone knows it.
God, wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall when the Republican movers and shakers are discussing Michael Steele behind his back?
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ReplyDeleteTaking the night off again filled negro?Just sit back and drink you Colt 45 and eat your bbq pork rinds.Least you didn't embarrass the hell out yourself posting about a case that had already been solved.
ReplyDeleteJust take some Pepto-Bismol before you go to bed.You know the misses don't like you farting in bed.
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ReplyDeleteHere's the real killer, field:
No one who really calls the shots on the right wing actually believes what gets put out. They pride themselves in not believing it. Their cynicism is a badge of honor and an admission ticket to the inner sanctum.
White people who believe it get laughed at, but black people who believe it get laughed at even harder because they are like Jews for Hitler, and everyone knows it.
God, wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall when the Republican movers and shakers are discussing Michael Steele behind his back?
This comes from someone who voted for guys{Carter,Mondale} that praised Jim Jones,and saw killer rabbits and UFO's.
grinder,keep blessing us with your insight and knowledge.
"Their cynicism is a badge of honor and an admission ticket to the inner sanctum.... white people who believe it get laughed at,"
ReplyDeleteNo they don't, because they all usually understand where each other is coming from. Some white people have mastered the art of pretend neutralism, while they covertly perpetuate the racism with other code words instead.
"but black people who believe it get laughed at even harder"
No they don't, they become jaw-dropping awesome black beings who "get it" and understands their place - "not like the others". Whites might even protect and embrace them, because whites will realize these black "noble ones" may now be social pariahs in the evil black society (well, until their jugging services are no longer needed).
Howling funny!
ReplyDeleteMy brother-in-law is black, and Republican, although he claims he's a registered Democrat.
He's married to my sister so I can't avoid him entirely, but I'd like to.
Here's what I've got to contend with:
1. He never fails to blast (play loud, not criticize) Fox News when I'm over, even if he's got to unearth a rerun on TiVo. He knows it kills me, but I don't let on. I plaster a smile, and look on intently with rapt attention as Glenn Beck drones on (I won't give him the satisfaction of knowing that I'm dying inside.).
2. He never fails to bring up Obama and his latest shortcomings, as he sees them, hoping to ensnare me into one of his endless arguments, arguments you can only win if you got him looking down the barrel of a six gun--and even that's no guarantee.
3. He never fails to let guests know (although meeting them for the first time), where he stands politically, and where they should stand politically.
4. He never fails to blame liberals for everything under the sun--from acne to global warming.
5. He never fails to break his promise to not discuss politics when family is over. He'll promise to be on his best behavior, only to renege at first opportunity, and question your intellect if you fail to agree with the cogency of his arguments.
I sincerely hope I'm not the only Democrat-Liberal with a Republican family member: Misery loves company. And I've got a lot of misery.
Brother Field...all Blacks should have a dichotomy of existance. These 10 tasks are the keys to exist in America not as a secondary race. Seeing that we have few racial traits/specialties that we can call our own, we must master the dominant culture to apreciate our own culture. Other immigrants have come to America with their own culture and have a sense of pride and respect for their members. Unfortunately we have been yoked to the dominant culture (which many of us rebel against) and refuse to beat them at their own game. We may now be thinking- "Massa, OUR house (USA) is burning down". Being in the first integrated class. I am greatly dissappointed in our turning our backs on education and crime-free life style. PS NOT ALL BLACKS, so save the comments for I am aware that a small percent may be doing right. But in my world anything less than 51% need not apply. Master these 10 tasks and at least you will respond when it's needed. It better to have them than not. StillaPanther2
ReplyDeleteOMG, Black Diaspora, that was funny. I think your bro-in-law sounds very familiar, I can't put my fingers on it. LOL
ReplyDeleteWhenever you go over to his house again, check is browser history for the Fields. LOL
@La♥Incognita:
ReplyDelete"Whenever you go over to his house again, check is browser history for the Fields."
La♥Incognita, I never thought about it. You know: You may be on to something!
11.) Have Drudge Report as your home page on your Internet browser.
ReplyDelete12.) Have car stereo tuned in to Rush, Hannity and Beck while cruising to and from the office.
13.) Place an American flag decal on your whip's rear bumper.
Anything else?
Also, there is nothing a wingnut with a penny hates more than a liberal with a nickel. Filmmaker Michael Moore seriously gets asked why he continues to make the kinds of films he does even though "The American Dream" has made him wealthy. As if that was the cynical point of his making movies, so he could then say, "Seeya suckers, I got mine."
ReplyDeleteFollow these 10 points and Mr R. will be your friend.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure that it is worth it. He will almost certainly steal from you if you have him over for dinner.
No they don't, because they all usually understand where each other is coming from. Some white people have mastered the art of pretend neutralism, while they covertly perpetuate the racism with other code words instead.
ReplyDelete...
No they don't, they become jaw-dropping awesome black beings who "get it" and understands their place - "not like the others". Whites might even protect and embrace them, because whites will realize these black "noble ones" may now be social pariahs in the evil black society (well, until their jugging services are no longer needed).
La Idiot, even by your standards you are especially incoherent tonight.
Oh, and by the way, if Kathy is looking in, I'd like you to know that I went to dinner by myself in my neighborhood in Seattle tonight, and the bill for one was $90.48 without the tip. And their rent isn't anywhere close to what Geoffrey's pays in Malibu. Pretty damn suspicious, huh?
Getting black folks to laugh at gay jokes? That takes effort? b.s. blacks are the most homophobic people to walk this earth. South African is good when it comes to gay rights the rest treat gays as bad as the kkk treated blacks. If you don't believe me look up the laws about homosexualty- there are very few countries that imprison people for being gay that aren't african or arab.
ReplyDeleteHey honey, I'm home. (smile)
ReplyDeleteField:
I'm sorry but I would rather dip snuff than try to endear myself to poisonous vipers.
"It's getting tougher and tougher to fight the well coordinated wingnut hate machine these days."
ReplyDeleteIf you can't fight the"coordinated wingnut hate machine" with 90% of the media on your side and the president,house, and senate that says alot abou YOU doesn't it?
* "That's me in the corner. That's me in the spotlight, losing my religion..."
ReplyDeleteNo Repug list is complete without using their religious blathering as the foundation for all they believe is true...but these beliefs donlt include anyone different from them in anyways.
All members must follow every word spewed by Monica Crowley and her mentor Pat BuchanonI these two are part of the basics in the ignorant training manuals....
FN, you outdid yourself again. The wingnuts will get themselves in a tizzy once they read this segment. Greetings from the Motherland and keep the statements coming. Maybe the Dumbocrats will wake up one day and smell the coffee. Mid term elections are around the corner and we are screwing around. Damn!
ReplyDeleteWhen will we all get enough courage to be ready to die for what we believe in.No need to label folks or call one out,just live and act with the courage God give you.Now when you begin to understand that concept,there will be no need to be on pins and needles with anyone.
ReplyDelete"Finally, [and this is a twofer]tell them that you can't stand it when people talk about Sarah Palin's looks and forget just how smart she is."
ReplyDeleteThat's really funny. Love it!
Field, you forgot "Become friends with white racists."
ReplyDeleteThat'll give them the ability to use the line, "I'm not racist, one of my best friends is black."
Then you could feel a warm inner glow knowing that friend is you - such an honour!
I wonder what it does to the black people who do this psychologically.
ReplyDeleteAnon 4:44,
ReplyDeleteHearing gay jokes from the black community must be a recent thing.
Hathor said...
ReplyDeleteAnon 4:44,
Hearing gay jokes from the black community must be a recent thing.
Guess you never heard of Eddie Murphy,Richard Pryor,or that famous funny man Mike Tyson
"I'll fuck you till you love me faggot!" priceless.
HUGE ommission Field...taxes. Specifically, you MUST rail against taxes constantly. Taxes are evil because, as Ronald Reagan, the patron saint of factually-challenged wingnuts everywhere observed long ago, all tax money goes to some fat lazy negro woman who spits out 10 kids from 12 different fathers.
ReplyDeleteUnlike Black Diaspora, I don't have any wingnuts in my family (thank you Jesus) but I have plenty where I work, which is even worse since I can't avoid them! Let me give you an idea of how stupid these motherfuckers are. They are federal workers and they constantly complain about taxes, even though tax money PAYS THEIR DAMN SALARY. And it's totally transparent that it's because they are white males who have fallen for the conservative bullshit that appeals to their own racist belief system.
Ernesto said...
ReplyDeleteHUGE ommission Field...taxes. Specifically, you MUST rail against taxes constantly. Taxes are evil because, as Ronald Reagan, the patron saint of factually-challenged wingnuts everywhere observed long ago, all tax money goes to some fat lazy negro woman who spits out 10 kids from 12 different fathers.
As we know by your GOD's hirers,Democrats don't pay taxes so they don't mind high taxes.
Easy there mr. r, what's the matter big guy, getting too close to your toes?
ReplyDeleteGranny, nice to see you back. I hope all is well in your world.
BD, I feel you on the family members. I have a couple in mine. Hey, I have West Indian roots, so you know how that goes. *shaking head*.
Rock, I love your additions. And all of them are true.
Ernesto, ain't that a bitch. Fed. workers railing against taxes? Now I have heard it all.
Anon. 1:29PM,I am sure that you know that most of the taxes in this country are paid by folks in the blue states. And guess how they vote.
"I wonder what it does to the black people who do this psychologically."
Plenty of examples around you libhom, just observe them. :)
Black homophobia is the only wedge issue the right has. But it doesn't translate into votes for Repug candidates, just ballot referendums. Unlike white evangelicals, black voters have lengthy agendas, & stopping gay marriage isn't near the top.
ReplyDeleteHathor, people will only see, what they allow themselves to see. Funny how the deeds of black people are collectively combined world wide, when it only suits people or whatever narrow point they're trying to make.
ReplyDeleteHi Granny, glad to see you're back.
Eurasian Sensation said...
ReplyDeleteField, you forgot "Become friends with white racists."
That'll give them the ability to use the line, "I'm not racist, one of my best friends is black."
What an absolute belly laugh!! Best all day.
I just pictured Field, looking at some noncolored person saying, "I'm not racist, one of my best friends is black." Too, too funny, I bet any poc could brighten their day saying that to a ponc.
Anon 1:16
ReplyDeleteNo context
That would be a joke?
Or do you think when anyone says the seven words you can't say on tv and faggot its funny?
Don't forget the little calvin taking a piss bumper sticker!
ReplyDeleteMy brother was a Black Republican who had 2 white wives. He listened to all of the usual wingnuts like Rush, and Fox news 24/7. It stemmed from self hatred that he had pre-elementary school. This puzzled his children. They wondered why he was a Republican in a Democratic, progressive household. Basically, while growing up, he looked around him and saw that all the people of power were white. We loved him anyway, despite his political leanings. I just wouldn't let him tell spook jokes around me, and turn the channel from Fox when I was there. He died 2 years ago. I really miss that a--hole.
ReplyDeletedid field do some gay 'experimenting' while in college? I bet he did. He seems to feel a overly strong identification with anybody who gets put down for performing unnatural acts with other males.
ReplyDeleteOf course, since he feels there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, then he can't be offended by the question and shouldn't sidestep it.
But I predict he'll ignore or sidestep the question. My own observation has been that any man who doesn't instinctively feel a personal revulsion over the things that gays do... well, he must be at least part gay himself.
* You must carry a certified birth certificate with you @ all times. No, on second thought, you must always be in the company of the MD that caught you exiting from your mother's womb that's the proof repugs demand from non-Repiugs.
ReplyDeleteMost Telling Moment in the movie Rosewood
ReplyDeleteRedneck #1: You know he's [Sylvester] got a piano? A nigger with a goddamn piano. I've been working all my life, I ain't got a piano.
Redneck #2: You don't know how to play one.
Redneck #1: That ain't the point. Old man Cummer, up that house of his, he's got a piano.
That nigger's got one, and I don't!
"My own observation has been that any man who doesn't instinctively feel a personal revulsion over the things that gays do... well, he must be at least part gay himself."
ReplyDeleteMy observation has been that many of the really rabid wingnuts are closet cases. Their supressed yearnings cause them all kinds of mental trauma, which they overcompensate for with their staunchly judgemental religious and political beliefs. James Dobson, Lindsay Graham come to mind. It's similar to the pathological behavior of self-loathing Black Republicans like Clarence Thomas.
One other thing, become friends with fellow travelers such as Jessie Lee Peterson and Alan Keyes. Also get some of their books, if they've written any, and display them prominently on your bookshelf.
ReplyDeleteoh, dear
ReplyDeleteOh and don't forget one of the deadliest sins is to not wear the American flag lapel pin!
ReplyDeleteOnly overshadowed by any time in your entire life when you let the thoughts in your head become vocal and admit that there may be an occassion where you weren't proud to be an American, or proud of the country!
Then again, to be a Repug, no community activist events will be excepted on your resume/ application!
My own observation has been that any man who doesn't instinctively feel a personal revulsion over the things that gays do... well, he must be at least part gay himself.
ReplyDeleteMy observation, as someone who has been aware of his same-sex leanings for more than 35 years, is that the most securely heterosexual men are those who are relatively indifferent toward homosexuality per se, and who can advocate for fair treatment of gay people without worrying that it will "rub off."
The men who are most hostile to homosexuality tend to be those who have it in them to some degree, but are scared shitless of what everyone would think of them if they knew.
One other thing, become friends with fellow travelers such as Jessie Lee Peterson and Alan Keyes.
ReplyDeleteI know this is terribly wrong of me, but I have always had a great deal of difficulty taking Alan Keyes seriously. He reminds me of Little Richard. I laugh my ass off every single time I see him, especially when he gets wound up and starts into the shouting. Good golly Miss Molly!
"did field do some gay 'experimenting' while in college? I bet he did. He seems to feel a overly strong identification with anybody who gets put down for performing unnatural acts with other males."
ReplyDeleteHmmm, sorry, I won't tell you. That's between me and my johnson.
The A, thanks for reminding me about that scene. Classic!
Your johnson and someone else's ... oh forget it!
ReplyDeletegrinder is such a ass, always looking for fresh ass on this blog.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said: "My own observation has been that any man who doesn't instinctively feel a personal revulsion over the things that gays do... well, he must be at least part gay himself."
ReplyDeleteWhy can't homophobic fools like you relate to gay people without constantly thinking about their sexual lives?
Look, I'm sure most hetero guys are a bit grossed out by gay sex. I am, for sure. But that's ok; since I'm not planning to have gay sex, it doesnt affect me in the slightest.
I'm a married hetero brotha and have many gay male friends...I live in the Bay Area so we are alot more progressive about these matters.
ReplyDeleteI have never even thought about having sex with males, other men nor gay male friends of mine...I'm not gross out by "gay sex" as I don't give it much thought...nor do I sit around and judge folks for they way they want to live or share their lives.
I'm more grossed out by racism...violence...war...ignorance...poverty...criminals in high places...should I go on?
Mature, intelligent and non-judgmental men who are comfortable with their sexuality have no time to think about who other people want to love or fuck...because mature, intelligent and non-judgmental men understand that we are all fragile humans who in our peculiar-personal way, try to get through life the best way we can without hating folks because they're different from us.
As long as a person treats me like I'm a human being FIRST!...I'll treat them the same.
How could you leave out sexism--Pimp'n and ho's and, well you know! Always wink and nod about putting females in their place! Poor white guys are taking hits left AND right these days, and that includes uppity women (of all skin tones, by the way).
ReplyDeletebeware fn:
ReplyDeletegreat list!
but
many blacks who hate obama do so silently...and more of us are waking up each day
neocons (no race/no one!) have no monopoly on diction/dialect which should be impeccable in everyone always...
sadly, racist fox news is the ONLY real news on tv...msnbc and abc BOTH = obama tv etc...
3/10 = 70% accuracy in my book
smile
FN/anon/nmn:
ReplyDeletethank you for being real het men!!!
i have never met a het man that had any problem with gays
many het men stalk lesbians and pray for more gay men as less competition!!!
i have never met a gaybasher who was not gay/dl/bi
the ones who gaybash the most are the most gay!!!
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anon:
south africa is cool to gays on paper/by law
but in reality
ALL BLACK GAYBASHERS GLOBALLY are the worst on earth
especially in jamaica
and south africa is even worse
than jamaica for gays
see more on
corrective rapes
and
eudy simelane in south africa
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hathor:
where do u live???
sounds like a gay utopia
gwb won/stole the 2004 election by playing and pimping gaybashing black preachers and sheeple flocks all over the usa
then there is the blackout of prop 8 in cali..
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i can rarelylisten to any preacher or comedian without hearing gaybashing and jokes
see much more on all at OUTLOOK
AB: while i often might not agree w/ your comments - your statements on the "tolerance" and acceptance of gays w/in the Black Diaspora is absolutely point on.
ReplyDeletei'll say it again: w/ our increasing reliance on Black religious institutions regardless of how... unenlightened, exploitive, & corrupt many are will continue to be our downfall. if i see one more little old black lady peddling The Watchtower i'll scream!
add to this our huge educational drop-out rates, illiteracy, and reading comprehension levels, almost as low during Post-slavery days, ignorance and hatred rise as a result.
during my days as a "gay professional" we had to contend w/ the fall-out from African ministers & their US Conservative counterparts (whom were mostly white) when they allowed gays to be priest in the Anglican/Episcopalian Church. but unfortunately it was the bishops from African countries that led this charge. & during the selection process for the next pope it was a toss-up btw Cardinal "Rat" (the current Pope) & an extremely conservative-intolerant African Cardinal - we, of course, know who won.
as for So. Africa - as one of the leading countries in the world in sexual violence against gays, they have a LONG way to go.
but i will say that while it's easy to hold up a lens on Black folks i wouldn't want to be a gay person in a Muslim country, Russia, or even... Oklahoma. let's just say Black folks don't corner the market on extreme intolerance against gay folks. it just hurts more cause we'd like to 'think' we should know better.
i'd like to say something like: after all the indignities and inequality we've faced (and continue to face) as Black folks we should know better. but it seems a human failing that the oppressed often become the oppressors.
ditto bg:
ReplyDeletebut what is truly sad is that i do/would feel safer in all those white countries and states as a black lesbian than in black jamaica/south africa
that is tragic
Murderous gaybashers exist and are religiously sanctioned in every human race. Yet, I remain convinced that racism and sexism combine to create a uniquely hot hatred of homosexuals within most black gaybashers globally. I have penned many columns, hosted countless talk radio shows, and engaged in heated debates with diverse friends on the subject of black gaybashers for decades. I have elaborated ad infinitum about precisely how racism and sexism combine and degenerate too many black men who regard themselves exclusively as life support systems for penises, and too many black women who regard themselves exclusively as concubines/breeders for these aforementioned black macho men.
This toxic combination of psychoses fashions turbo gaybashers in blackface, who passionately regard homosexuals as literal nullifiers of their very existences. Their twisted insecurities are expressed as fatal gaybashing/self-defense mechanisms in the paranoid and insane wars that their hatred fuels against sexual truths in general and homosexual persons in particular. Combine those toxins with the additional madness created by the oceans of blood awash upon the hands of droves of black pastors, who continue to preach lies about God and the bible to their mindless and robotic flocks. These evil and bigoted pseudo-christians truly regard gaybashing and murdering homosexuals as divine acts!!! Also, blend in the arrogant ignorance of uneducated masses who know and desire to know absolutely nothing about the universal scientific nature of homosexuality in literally every living species. All of these ancient ingredients mesh into a perfect and pervasive recipe for social poison that festers deep within the core of global black cultures and ferments into a potent emotional and psychic venom that is spewed by a diaspora of African gaybashers like legions of deadly cobras.
When these misogynist morons lash out, they often do so with deadly force. As more young black homosexuals refuse to live lies and dare to live honestly and openly within black communities, their death tolls are rising at the bloody hands of black gaybashers. Sakia Gunn is only their most recent casualty...
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/sakia.htm
see much more at OUTLOOK
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pa:
i have never met anyone i agree with ALL the time...so disagreeing with me is always cool
what will never be cool is how the gaybashers herein pretend they hate me because they disagree with me when it is really because i slay their gaybashing bs so well...
bg:
ReplyDeletei have never seen videos and phenoms like this in any white countries/states
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBXBtC-5Eko
GOLD MEDALS TRUMP GAYBASHING MADNESS!
When Caster Semenya’s gender was recently questioned, millions around the globe quickly came to her defense. Racists pretended similar tests had never been forced upon any white athletes. Sexists pretended they actually cared about any man who might cheat women in any way. And, droves of South Africans pretended that they had politically and socially evolved sexually.
Kudos to Semenya for enduring all of the humiliating gender madness with regal dignity! She sparked droves of uniquely intelligent discussions about the endless scientific complexities of gender and sexuality in all living species. Sexuality is scientifically documented as universally very gray. Only rabid sexists and religious fools feign that it is rigidly black and white.
Now, collective athletic obsessions have quelled. Thus, the deafening renewed silences about the ongoing alienations, tortures, rapes, and murders of homosexuals in Africa that occur each day. The sudden resumed silences about the routine slayings of lesbians who do not win gold medals are most certainly not golden…
In 2008, Eudy Simelane was brutally murdered by three human dogs in South Africa. She happened to be another famous athlete. She is dead because she also happened to be a lesbian. They finally happen to be on trial. May belated justice be served as sincerely as athletes are championed…
Read more about Semenya and Simelane here:
http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2009/08/three-men-on-trial-for-rape-and-murder-of-lesbian-south-african-footballer.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2009/mar/12/south-africa-corrective-rape
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1207653/Womens-800m-gold-medal-favourite-Caster-Semenya-takes-gender-test-hours-World-Championship-race.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6078171/World-Athletics-Caster-Semenya-tests-show-high-testosterone-levels.html
by the way
ReplyDeleteonly 1 of eudy's 3 black rapists/killers was found guilty
the other 2 are free to correctively rape more lesbians
black girl #1, I don't have to tell you that homophobia runs rampant among many black people. All of the surveys and polling data show it.
ReplyDeleteThe main victims of black homophobia are black gay people. As a general statement, elements of the black community are decades behind most whites on this issue. The damage is not just limited to black gay people, but to all of us. There are similar problems with other communities of color, including Latinos and Asians.
One result is that gay organizations remain far too white. This is something I'm somewhat familiar with, having known some whites who are prominent in gay organizations.
I have asked them why so few non-whites. The answer I get is, "We are dying to have more blacks, Latinos, and Asians here, especially in the leadership. But we literally can't find them."
At the grass roots level, people of color often volunteer in gay organizations. But I am told that, once it comes to leadership positions that would involve public visibility, there is frequently a self-imposed class ceiling. Many people of color don't want their families knowing, or if their families do know, then they fear exposing their families to ridicule (or worse) in their communities.
One result is that many gay organizations come to resemble whites-only country clubs. If nothing else, I find it boring. I want to rub elbows with more kinds of people, and don't.
I don't know what the solution is. I suspect, though, that it's just a matter of long, slow effort, the way the building of a gay community has been all the way along.
grinder:
ReplyDeletegay racism is also a major issue
many white gays are even more racist than white hets
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for the same reason that so many blacks are the most rabid gaybashers
most gays and blacks need someone to stand on at the bottom/to lessen their own hateful abuses
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/GAY-RACISM.htm
Those of you who watch gay films or read gay magazines have CERTAINLY noticed glaring omissions. Major gay media almost NEVER feature Black couples. Why?!
Research it. Pay close attention as your peruse major gay media. You will almost NEVER see two Blacks loving each other.
Read any glossy gay magazine, like The Advocate or Curve. Notice how few Black couples you see within its pages? Those few black faces which are there are almost always grinning longingly into the faces of their white lovers/friends.
Incidentally, I do not blame these kufi-clad Nazis in blackface for their hostile reactions to these blatantly eurocentric images. I blame the demonic and moronic messengers. Those racist white editors and directors who dare to sacrifice our images with their deliberately limited and loathsome depictions. Those who can only accept us when we do not come in twos. (Pun intended.)
AB: i've been watching this story all summer and i was appalled and angry at the way the So. African athletic organization, the IOC, & the media, handled the situation w/ Semenya! to expect that So. Africa would handle this situation w/ any compassion or sensitivity was ridiculous for all the reasons you've mentioned. of course i'm pretty sure the US would've bungled this if it was one of our athletes. it is my understanding that she was on suicide watch. i feel so bad for her and it looks like there's no easy answers. gender issues is something the world often fails at --- like being forced to watch Wesley Snipes in Too Wong Fu!
ReplyDelete& i hear you about all the horror stories involving Black folks - we're failing big time on this subject! but believe me when i tell you that we don't corner the market on this intolerance. i've worked w/ loved ones whose gay son/daughter was brutally beaten & killed right here in good ol' US. of course, the conditions for gay people here are nothing compared to conditions w/in the Carib, Latin America, most African countries, Iran, etc.
brotha grinder: you're dead on when it comes to gay rights organizations - it's one of the reasons why gay marriage has dominated all gay activism while many at the grassroots levels fighting for things that effect everyone like: poverty, violence, safe schools, etc. struggle for funding and visibility. unfortunately, this is a complaint that's been mentioned more than once & it doesn't change and they ALWAYS use the standard answer you mentioned (i see that hasn't changed).
but you're right it's easy to talk about the problems - much harder to come up w/ solutions. i do know though that i make it point to challenge all these bible/koran-thumping, brothas & sistahs whenever i get a chance.
oh & as for gays in the military: kind of like desegregation - be careful for what you wish for. right now the military is "dealing" w/ outcome of women in combat who are often sexually harassed & in some cases abused by their male colleagues. and the retribution for trying to find justice is even worse. so i can't imagine an institution like the military being equipped to deal w/ the fall-out if gays are allowed in the military. this is not to suggest that they shouldn't be... it's just that the consequences might be more than we bargained for.
And some of the most belligerent racists I've ever met have been white gay men.
ReplyDeletequit calling the rednecks "jim"
ReplyDeleteditto bg and us:
ReplyDeleteand do not forget
another unique thing about black homohaters is that they are oppressed by racism which should give them compassion for all others...NOT!!!
it is their unique hypocrisy combined with their unique hatred that uniquely offends me most
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/tortn.htm
Contrary to Republikkkan religious rhetoric, hatred and lies are not godly values. This book meticulously exposes the hypocrisy of such sinful homohatred. It exposes how gaybashers defy God’s commandment to love everyone, as they encourage others to love everyone except gays. Gaybashers ban gay marriage as they ignore gay love. They use birth control religiously, as they falsely claim sex is exclusively for procreation. They demand that gays pretend to be reformed heterosexuals, as they condemn the “Down Low” homosexuals who destroy families and break heterosexual hearts daily. They claim the doors of black churches are perpetually open to all entrants, even as they slander our names and slay our spirits upon entry.
“There is a striking irony that African-American Christians are so uncritical of Paul’s writing about homosexual activity but have maintained a critical attitude or simple rejection of Paul’s instructions on slavery.
African-American Christians, like other Christians, ‘treat so literally the references to homosexual practice in the Bible, while at the same time, they interpret biblical texts on almost every other topic with considerable flexibility and non-literalness.’
…what is perceived as natural does indeed change over time.
...'love the sinner, hate the sin'. Many find this perspective illogical. They argue if same-sex attraction or expression is what makes the person gay, then what is being loved? With sexuality being an inextricable part of one’s being, the popular saying has as much success in reality as loving brown-eyed people while hating brown eyes.
I regard sin as those behaviors that violate, destroy, and abuse our fellow human beings and our relationships with them. In this respect, homosexuality does not belong in the category of sin any more than heterosexuality does.
Much of black heterosexuals’ antihomosexual sentiment exists as a means of countering the perception of black sexuality being perverse…
…we know that lesbians and gays can and do reflect the same Christian moral character found in heterosexuals.
…most gay men and lesbians were not raped and are not rapists.
No reputable scientific study concludes that homosexuality is a choice and can be overcome.
…black Christians will recognize that the mire of homosexuality debates threaten our measure to be faithful Christians for the poor, the infirm, the imprisoned, and those suffering from violence."
Read any glossy gay magazine, like The Advocate or Curve. Notice how few Black couples you see within its pages? Those few black faces which are there are almost always grinning longingly into the faces of their white lovers/friends.
ReplyDeleteThree-quarters of the U.S. population is white, so ANY broad group will be mostly white. And black homophobia is so strong that a lot of black gay people wouldn't be caught dead in the pages of a gay magazine.
Is there racism among white gay people? Damn right there is, but I think there's less of it than in the white population at large. Can I prove that? Nope. But I have been around for a long time, and it's what I think.
brotha grinder: you're dead on when it comes to gay rights organizations - it's one of the reasons why gay marriage has dominated all gay activism while many at the grassroots levels fighting for things that effect everyone like: poverty, violence, safe schools, etc. struggle for funding and visibility. unfortunately, this is a complaint that's been mentioned more than once & it doesn't change and they ALWAYS use the standard answer you mentioned (i see that hasn't changed).
It's a tough issue. On one hand, as someone who's generally pretty liberal and who wants to see the wealth spread around a whole lot more than it is, I agree about the other issues.
On the other hand, a gay organization is, pretty much by definition, going to be about gay issues first and foremost. So, I don't know how much good it would do to have gay groups demonstrate for safe schools and then say, "Oh, by the way, can we get married?"
One other thing to point out. I looked at the numbers in Massachusetts on gay marriage. There are twice as many lesbian marriages as gay male ones, but the long-accepted statistics (supported by evidence in the real world) is that there are twice as many gay men as there are lesbians as a percentage of the population. This means that lesbians are four times as likely to get married as gay men are.
Yet, gay men are very supportive of marriage, even though it's much more of a lesbian issue. I think that's a pretty cool thing, just as it was cool that lesbians were right there on AIDS even though that was much more of a gay male thing.
So, we can look at what's wrong about the gay community and its organizations, but it might be worthwhile to occasionally stop to look at what's right. No one ever got ahead through 100% criticism, either from the outside or the inside.
grinder we disagree
ReplyDeleteand always will
i am a black lesbian
you are a gay wm
no shock that we see gwm dominated gay media through completely different eyes
i truly feel that most white gays are extremely racist
especially the rich yuppies
and millions of black gays agree with me
ie millions refuse to even be called gay because of it
they call themselves "same gender loving/sgl" in protest of racist
"gays"
why is logo the whitest channel on cable??
why are there no blacks even in the background in queer tv shows...even those set in philly????
why are there no black couples on "the l word"???
why was the immensely popular bgm cult classic tv show "noah's arc" canceled?
i could go on and on and on
I liked "Noah's Arc." I have no idea why it was cancelled. About all I can say is that Logo looks like it's struggling. There's hardly anything new on there. I am a huge fan of "Rick & Steve," and they hardly ever have new episodes.
ReplyDeleteAs for "gay media," all I really see is the lights going out. Gay newspapers are dying, and so are gay magazines, just like the larger media. It's only going to get worse, given that everything is advertising supported and that whole world is changing in a big way.
grinder
ReplyDeleteditto
all print media will soon be a relic
then you will see exlusively interracial or white duos only at gay sites online
grinder:
ReplyDeletethe only issue in gay marriage for me is that marriage and asset protection are human rights
i have no desire to join the horrid frays of het marriage/divorce/custody/alimony etc
i fight for those gays who want to be legally wed
i never do
i am happy in the marital union i have
without all of the legal imprisonments
i think the only reasons more lesbians marry is that we are women
and all women are generally more monogamous than all men
most women including myself
equate sex with love
most men do not
and all women me envy that about all men...it is why het men wound het women so with their infidelities...even when those same whorish men are madly in love
bg:
ReplyDeleteso many of those white countries are light yrs ahead of those black countries on gays
ie
even formerly closeted nazi ss/still macho germany now has an openly gay wed vice chancellor/vip minister
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/09/30/germany_has_a_gay_minister_yaewn#
not to mention all the american out white gay celebs vs. all the closeted black gay celebs
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/closets.htm
alicia, I agree with you about the roots of lesbians' tendency to marry at much greater rates than gay men. What I do think is pretty cool is that, in the '80s and '90s, lesbians stepped up to the plate on AIDS, and now gay men are stepping up to the plate on marriage.
ReplyDeleteThe gay community has its problems, but it also has its strengths. And despite some comments here, I also think there's less racism among white gays than among whites in general. Mind you, I said "less," not "none."
I think one think you will definitely find among gays is more candid conversations about all of this stuff. When you're viscerally hated for what you are, you tend to be less fearful of saying what you really think. This is one of the things I have always liked about the gay community: not nearly as many sacred cows.
ReplyDeleteOur tribe rules nothing off limits to discussion that I've ever noticed. Doesn't mean we'll like what we hear, but generally speaking if you put a drink or two in there, a gay man or lesbian will tell you exactly what (s)he thinks. And you might not even need the booze.
ditto grinder
ReplyDeletewe have more wounds and we are wounded from more sources...
we are more accustomed to healing those wounds in open air...
peace
ab
[QUOTE]If you are a person of color it has to be particularly tough. Where do you go? [/QUOTE]
ReplyDeleteWOW FILLED NEGRO!!!
Do you stuff your STAWMEN with Hay or Wheat Grass as you build him up and tear him down?
I struggle to undestand how any Negro from Philly (Or Yeadon PA) can LOOK PAST the LOCAL FAILURES of the machine that he has put into power and instead FOCUS NATIONALLY at the battle that is going on between the parties, CHOOSING TO GET DEPRESSED AT THE NATIONAL PICTURE.
(I keep forgetting that you are a DEFENSE ATTORNEY and thus the MISTAKE IS MINE in trying to assign some INTELLECTUAL INTEGRITY to your antics.)
This is your Defense Attorney Soul Mate - Filled Negro
http://www.viddler.com/explore/ConstructiveFee/videos/888/
[quote]I sincerely hope I'm not the only Democrat-Liberal with a Republican family member: Misery loves company. And I've got a lot of misery.[/quote]
ReplyDeleteBlack Disapora - IMAGINE HOW MANY BLACK DEMOCRATS who live within a Democraticly Controlled city yet are DEPRESSED over:
* The Failing Schools that they run
* The Dangerous Streets that their elected officials control
* The UNEMPLOYMENT that they suffer.
See here: Hotspots For Black Male Unemployment
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2009/10/tale-of-misery-hotspots-for-black-male.html
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ReplyDeleteAre we really still on the "speaking proper English is acting white" thing in 2009? Seriously?
ReplyDeleteIf you don't believe me look up the laws about homosexualty- there are very few countries that imprison people for being gay that aren't african or arab.
ReplyDeleteSo effing what! You're saying they're wrong and need offical approval from whitey (all of western civilization) to have certain laws and they should govern and submit themselves according to the amerikkkan way of legislation and follow the example of the laws and ideas of equality amerrykkka has set in order to legislate effectively?
News flash: THEY DONT (lol)...and therein lies your problem with Africans and Arabs, indeed.
They have a right to protect the rights of other native and natrual citizens of that land and they have every right to pass those laws even if it means the minorites and the foreign illegal aliens in that country won't recieve the same and certain rights as those born in that country.
turnabout is indeed fair play! Cry elsewhere.
bwahhaaaa!!!!!
"protect the natives???" that's the most retarding thing i've ever heard. i mean how are they protecting the natives? i mean by your "reasoning" then Black folks in THIS country would still be living according to Jim Crow laws! that's just stupid & shows your own ignorance.
ReplyDeletei know you're going try to... rationalize your statement but i promise i won't drum the need to respond to such ridiculousness again.
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