I am bugging out about a few things tonight. The first is this commercial that Focus On The [right wing]Family paid to have aired during the Super Bowl. The frauds over at CBS actually allowed Tim Tebow to appear in a commercial to pitch pro-life propaganda. (Memo to Tim; work on your damn game and stop trying to preach to me. If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period. And that goes for every other man in A-merry-ca.) Now where was I? Oh yes, CBS. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. It's the damn Super Bowl! I want to see athletes get their game on. I don't need to get preached to from someone standing on a holier than thou soap box. And besides, didn't they tell a a church group who wanted to embrace Gays no to an ad. a few years back?
"I know some people won't agree with it," said Tebow of the 30-second ad at a press conference in Mobile, Ala., on Sunday, in preparation for next weekend's Senior Bowl. "But I think they can at least respect that I stand up for what I believe. I've always been very convicted of [his views on abortion] because that's the reason I'm here, because my mom was a very courageous woman."
I do respect what you stand for, Tim. But I need you to respect what I stand for as well. So why should I have to hear what you stand for while I try to watch the damn game?
The second is the behavior of one of the supremes last night. This Alito character did his best Joe Wilson imitation while his O ness was giving his address. "Not true" he mouthed for all the world to see. "JUSTICE OPENLY DISAGREES WITH OBAMA IN SPEECH" the headlines scream. Hey, we know that at least four members of the supremes are right wing partisan hacks, but these guys are supposed to have the poker faces going at all times. I guess that sometimes it's just too hard to hide your disdain for a certain uppity beige fellow. Next time, Sam, could you at least cover your mouth?
And finally, I have to talk about my home boy Chris Matthews. Seems that poor Chris forgot that his O ness was black last night for an entire hour. And now the poor guy is getting ripped for it. -Even Rush Limbaugh is making fun of him.-
"I was trying to think about who he was tonight. It's interesting: he is post-racial, by all appearances. I forgot he was black tonight for an hour. You know, he's gone a long way to become a leader of this country, and passed so much history, in just a year or two. I mean, it's something we don't even think about. I was watching, I said, wait a minute, he's an African-American guy in front of a bunch of other white people. And here he is president of the United States and we've completely forgotten that tonight.. "
*Wait, still laughing.* OK yeah that would explain a lot. Thanks Chris. Hey at least you forgot that the guy was black for whole hour. -I bet Samuel Alito didn't forget.....*wait, still laughing* And Chris, you are not alone. Back in November of 2008, about sixty million people forgot he was black as well. The thing is, I think they forgot for more than an hour. But don't worry, I think that they are starting to remember. *Still laughing*.
feint praise from rachel during CM's "clarification."
ReplyDeletetebow is a tool, even if i am officially a gator (or was). i was sharing a link to alito all day. so disrespectful.
Hey Field I guess the US is not pos racial if after the presidents State of the Union Matthews is talking about whether he noticed the presidents color or not. That kills Grinders argument that the rest of the country has not moved on at all.
ReplyDeleteHere is the thing that drives me crazy about these anti-choicers... they love to extoll the CHOICE they made, but seem unable to see that is what it was.... a CHOICE! Those of us who are pro-choice are happy for them and any and every other woman who makes the choice to give birth. (I did, twice)... but we also recognize that CHOICE is not the right thing for everyone... thus we want to insure that CHOICE for everyone, gah!!!!
ReplyDeleteAs for Alito, what kind of crappy judge is he? Every judge I have ever been in front of has the best poker faces of anyone I have ever met. I was in a courtroom where the witness on the stand was retelling the most tragic, sad story of gun violence... everyone in the courtroom (including the court staff) were in tears, some openly sobbing... but the Judge never changed expression.... I was awe struck by her ability to do that.... Alito is a Supreme for pete's sake.. one would have thought he would have mastered that skill by now.
Field, "(Memo to Tim; work on your damn game and stop trying to preach to me. If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period. And that goes for every other man in A-merry-ca.) Now where was I? Oh yes, CBS. They ought to be ashamed of themselves. It's the damn Super Bowl! I want to see athletes get their game on. I don't need to get preached to from someone standing on a holier than thou soap box."
ReplyDeleteMan, you really are having an adverse reaction. You need to step off of your holier than thou soapbox and quit playing God yourself. You don't know whether it's right to kill a fetus or not anymore than anyone else.
It is 'traditional' to air commercials in the Superbowl, if you can afford it. It's one the highest rated programs for "reach" that a commercial can be in. And you are blaming CBS for airing a commercial with T
What's the big deal? Sounds like this abortion thing and its moral implications are rattling your conscience, causing great pain. What's that all about?
"If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion."
Would Palin or some other woman for pro-life in the commercial make a difference for you?
You sound like you are on a 'holier than thou soapbox' yourself.
Would Palin or some other woman for pro-life in the commercial make a difference for you?
ReplyDeletepalin? you mean--ala jody--"pro choice palin?" palin and her daughter were on the cover of intouch mag, under the hedline, "we're so glad we chose life!"
and here's the other thing: focus on the family, which is paying over $1 million for the ad, on is website is also asking for $$ for haiti. perhaps that $1.2 million could go to haiti?
or, since 45% of the haitian population is children and now a large % are orphans, they could stop their campaigns against birth control that led to over-population?
oh, don't even get me started (eg, tebow bible-thumping in the philippines with those "heathen" catholics!")
if you don't want to see the ad, sign the petition:
https://secure.prochoiceamerica.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=4143
i've seen snippets already. his mom sits there demeaning the unnamed doc (who isn't there to defend himself or explain what he meant) who allegedly told her baby tim was "just a mass of fetal tissue" and then concludes, gosh! you, too, could have a child like tim!
I'm going to Chris Matthews a pass...I think the man didn't mean any harm...As for Alito he is a Republican hack why do you expect him to be civil..." I'm shocked he did not scream "Damn Dirty Negro how dare you question my Authority Republicans don't know the word civil...Peace Out...Field
ReplyDeleteTebow bought the time to express his view that abortion is wrong. You don't like the commercial because you don't like his point of view, namely that killing babies in the womb is morally wrong. I'm always amazed at just how blithely people breeze by the issue without even a pause to think about it. Abortion means killing a child in the womb. Its done by the millions around the country. Its a grotesque reality that we seem to have become to comfortable with. I think people are so negative towards the ad because we do know its wrong and we don't like Tebow rubbing our faces in it. Strikes a nerve.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Supremes, hey its a free country. The President decides to use his bully pulpit to criticize the Justices (not that gently either) in their face, in a forum where they don't get to say anything. I don't like the Court's ruling myself, but I'm not gonna fault Alito for silently mouthing a rebuttal. He's part of a co-equal branch of government, he comes to hear the President give the State of the Union, not to get rhetorically punked.
Matthews deserves to be ripped. He's a tool and says some of the dumbest stuff. I've no sympathy.
A+A. Abortion is tissue of a potential life... so are my monthly periods. Would you like me to mail them to you so that potential life can be "saved" too?
ReplyDeleteAs to thinking about it... I have given birth, twice and I have had an abortion (after the birth of my 2 sons)... and I am here to tell you 1.I have no regrets, it was the right decision for me 2.I have never felt like I "murdered anyone." Rather you like it or not, Abortion is legal in this and other countries... I can assure you, it is not an easy choice, but I have always been profoundly grateful I had the CHOICE.
All the men and women against abortions should get vasectomies & hysterectomies. You shouldn't have a right to choose what to do with your bodies either.
ReplyDeleteNo one has seen the ad or even knows what the subject matter contains. Until Feb. 7, all is hearsay.
ReplyDeleteWhat did obama say that was different than a year ago ? same shit differnt day, rebuild the roads. Wasnt that what the first stimulus was for!If you ever go to
ReplyDeletePa web site and what really happen to your money ,you will puke.now if you go work for the government
that doesn't produce anything,you will make out like a bandit(thief).
i had to puke over his open government! were the hell did that come from.you can't freeze stuff and spend too?I know the reps did it for 8 yrs.thats just dumb.So lets f it up more,green jobs,he was planning on giving that to prisoners the last time i read and good old Gm screwing detroit and helping chicago.Wake UP.Im an independent.
" If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period. And that goes for every other man in A-merry-ca"
ReplyDeleteThank you SO MUCH,Field.
Jody and Maria, please read below. Maybe it will stir something in your mind and hearts. Then again, maybe not:
ReplyDeleteAmicus brief filed in the cases of Loce v. New Jersey and Krail et al. v. New Jersey, February 1994
"America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign."
Jody, you might not have any psychic scars or disturbed conscience behind an abortion but there are many reports of women who do. The internal results 'can be' very similar to the effects of killing others in a war: it 'can' cause emotional and pyschological damage.
I find it interesting that you are against war because it is killing but you have no problem with abortions.
Could it be that you are so self-centered that you want what you want for your own convenience, at any cost?
Love,
K
I forget what group it is, but there is one that is making a deal with CBS to put out a gay dating service ad during the super bowl. Mancrunch.com or something like that. Anyway, it seems that this year superbowl ads are a hard sell.
ReplyDeleteAs for Alito, he toasted with a martini the night the activist judges gave Bush his presidency, I'm can not doubt he did it again the other week with their latest decision. He's a corporatist judge all the way.
I liked Tweety the first time I saw him, but after closer examination I didn't need HDTV to help me see him more clearly.
K... first, "Love"... please... there is nothing "loving" about your comments directed at me.... but I will answer your question..yep, it was all about me... It had nothing to do with 2 young sons who I was a single mother to... whose father decided he didn't want to be married anymore, so divorced me and left me to take care of them on my own... Or the fact that I was working 2 jobs and going to school full time to try to provide a better life for those 2 children. Yep, it was just because I was thinking about me.
ReplyDeleteAs to those with psychic scars.. yes there are and the same research has shown that those that experience those scars are because they were preassured into making that decision by others... parents, a boyfriend or husband. It was, in a sense, not HER choice.
K... I want to live in a world where every child is welcomed by not just the parents, but the community. I want to live in a world where abortions are few and far between.. but I have walked in the shoes of struggle, and I would not DARE to tell another woman what she should or should not do, and I sure as hell would not judge her after....
I, unlike you, fundamentally do not believe that abortion is murder. That is why I can be against wars and still be pro-choice. I have lived through it, and in my heart of hearts, am at peace with my choice.
@field
ReplyDeleteIf your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period. And that goes for every other man in A-merry-ca.
I echo the appreciation for this, field, and add my THANK YOU.
Jody, you might not have any psychic scars or disturbed conscience behind an abortion but there are many reports of women who do. The internal results 'can be' very similar to the effects of killing others in a war: it 'can' cause emotional and pyschological damage.
This is a blatant falsehood. Most women report that the overall feeling after undergoing abortion is "relief."
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/myths/post_abortion_syndrome.html#1
I'd guess that the negative feelings some women experience are due to the preaching of self-righteous arrogant busybodies who are working their fingers to the bone laying guilt trips all over women who make this choice.
I must confess: sometimes I, too, suffer from amnesia. And yet I can never seem to forget that Chris Matthews is an asshole.
ReplyDeleteI just can't seem to forget that Chris Matthews is a patronizing, White Liberal racist.
ReplyDeleteboy this Tebo, thinks he's the man
ReplyDeletesave the world, with his game plan
right or wrong, he does not care
as long as his ego, gets it's share
big man on campus, give him his due
but his college days, they are thru
going forth, to spread the word
come on dude, like we haven't heard
oh so righteous, that silly grin
so damn perfect, he without sin
those poor women, gonna feel shame
that is how, they play their game
I for one am sick and tired
this issue should have been expired
one point million, is quite a lot
feed the poor, this dough they got
but instead, give it to the rich
now ain't that just a fucking bitch
charity should go towards the poor
yet it is wasted on their holy war
this just proves, it's all a sham
frankly, they don't give a damn
it's about superiority being on top
and that's why this shit won't stop
@field - I just came across this website and thought you (and others) might find it interesting and heartening.
ReplyDeleteHaiti Rewired
I haven't had a chance to look through the entire thing but liked what I saw on the page I linked.
I keep waiting for Matthews to explain what caused him, after an hour, to remember Obama was Black.
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ReplyDeleteOh and I wonder if Focus on the Family is planning to draft Tebow? Otherwise his prospects in the NFL don't look too good.
ReplyDeleteJody-"I, unlike you, fundamentally do not believe that abortion is murder. That is why I can be against wars and still be pro-choice."
ReplyDeleteThat's what the struggle in consciousness-regarding abortion- is about isn't it? Whether a fetus has a right to life or whether abortion is murder or not? Well, war is legal, which makes the killing legal. So what's the difference? Both abortions and wars exist because some people have justifying reasons to kill without a conscience.
War is always due to somebody's self-righteous justification to kill. That kind of reasoning sounds very much like the same reason for abortions, except abortion is couched in ego-centric self-pity.
And don't you tell me that I don't love you. Everybody loves you. Hell, I even love CF, so why wouldn't I love you?
But you are dead wrong about this.
In Sara Paretsky's newest private eye novel, Hardball, the meanest, most violent, & most stupid thug is an ex-cop named Alito. I think she knew what she was doing.
ReplyDeleteRT-"This is a blatant falsehood. Most women report that the overall feeling after undergoing abortion is "relief.""
ReplyDeleteSome do feel relief. But others suffer psychological and emotional damage. I see them every day.
But it doesn't take a professional to know the truth of what I have said. All it takes is a little common sense, a conscience and a heart to know that such problems exist. Your ignorance is astonishing.
anon 12:07 you are full of excrement please go use the facilities and when done please wash your hands we do not need you spreading your germs around. You can not conflate war and abortion it is this type of reasoning that has got this nation in knots over this issue there is only one answer to this problem "Don't Like Abortion Don't Have One!" Best damn bumper sticker I have ever seen. Field damn skinny where the hell do men have any right to join in this discussion this is between women and their docotrs period.
ReplyDeleteI am so glad you blogged about this. Especially about chris 'dumbass' matthews.
ReplyDeleteI was floored by his comment. WTH? If it aint white then it can't be right?
That comment floored me more than anything don imus or harry reid said although highly disturbing. CNN should do a special about ANGRY WHITE MEN in amerikkka.
Can someone explain to me why are they angry and spiteful? They have beaten, robbed, stole and murdered from those who don't look like them, then proceeded to build their world-wide utopias in THEIR image and their still not satisfied. WOW!
@Anon 12:29
ReplyDeleteRT-"This is a blatant falsehood. Most women report that the overall feeling after undergoing abortion is "relief.""
Some do feel relief. But others suffer psychological and emotional damage. I see them every day.
And I'm sure every time you see them you remind them why they should suffer, feeding their unnecessary remorse. What a dear friend you are.
But it doesn't take a professional to know the truth of what I have said. All it takes is a little common sense, a conscience and a heart to know that such problems exist. Your ignorance is astonishing.
Didn't you see the link? Not my ignorance, white boy. It's from the research done by the American Psychological Association, as well as research published in the journals Science and American Psychologist.
But when you've got "a little common sense, a conscience, and a heart," who needs actual data, right?
Your arrogance is astonishing.
If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period. And that goes for every other man in A-merry-ca.
ReplyDeleteNo dice, Field. My body produces one of the keys for producing a child. And there was only ONE case I have read about dealing with spontaneous conception. I'm not the one to tell a woman what to do with her body, but I'm not keen on the idea of abortion (in the vast majority of cases). Flame away.
A+A. Abortion is tissue of a potential life... so are my monthly periods. Would you like me to mail them to you so that potential life can be "saved" too?
The main problem with this entire issue is determining the exact point when the "tissue of a potential life" actually becomes a fetus deserving of the protections afforded to human beings in general. Laws are on the books charging those who murder pregnant women with TWO counts - that of the mother and the unborn child. And only the most unscrupulous are willing to perform seriously late-term abortions. And those who do choose to do the abortion themselves often find themselves locked up. Pretty weird how it all works.
"I'd guess that the negative feelings some women experience are due to the preaching of self-righteous arrogant busybodies who are working their fingers to the bone laying guilt trips all over women who make this choice."
ReplyDeleteAre you feeling guilty about your abortions? No need to feel guilty if you feel ok about your abortions. You are putting too much power in other people's opinions.
RT, "Not my ignorance, white boy."
ReplyDeleteLOL. What does race have to do with this? Your racist white attitude continues to show, as usual. BTW, I am not White.
Chris Matthews is kind of a character, but he's a character I respect. You have to be a realist, and not just preaching to the choir. And he's the only one out there doing that -- in the whole opinion news industry. He's also about 60. When Obama was elected the guy was so excited, remember the tingle coming up my thigh remark? I think Chris is legitimately moved by the prez, because he makes him doubt all the racist B.S. he grew up with. He makes him believe that the world ain't just about "tribes." It was a silly thing for him to say, but I kind of respect him for saying it.
ReplyDeletedevona21,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. Chris was speaking the truth and also very much in Obama's corner. As long as Obama is Black, and there will be a racial component.
@Anon 2:13
ReplyDeleteAre you feeling guilty about your abortions? No need to feel guilty if you feel ok about your abortions. You are putting too much power in other people's opinions.
Three problems here with your ad feminam attack.
1. No abortions in my past to feel guilty about (and probably not in my future, though it's technically possible) and no reason to feel guilty if there were
2. Other people's opinions do have a lot of power, and have been used to subjugate and oppress since the dawn of humanity. It's not safe to ignore the demagogues; they take every opportunity to push their beliefs onto everyone else.
3. What's up with this fallacious reasoning that says "if I defend a woman's right to an abortion it must be because I've had abortions"? Or "if I acknowledge the shameful history of "white" people of European ancestry I must want to be black"? And when I defend gay people I must be gay. What about just sticking up for other people? If you only offer support for the group with which you identify, then you're still just promoting your own selfish interests.
@Mack Lyons
My body produces one of the keys for producing a child.
True. And I hope you don't think I'm disrespectful to say that once you hand over that key, you've given up control of it. That's your choice.
I'm not the one to tell a woman what to do with her body, but I'm not keen on the idea of abortion (in the vast majority of cases). Flame away.
This is a reasonable position, and not one I'd flame. I think it's all most women would ask. We just want to have the final say about our own bodies.
word verification: mated
"Three problems here with your ad feminam attack."
ReplyDeleteWow. You feel attacked?
@Anon 2:21
ReplyDeleteLOL. What does race have to do with this?
Did you catch the name of this blog? We often talk about race issues, here.
Your racist white attitude continues to show, as usual.
Because I called you "white boy" my "racist white attitude". . .wait, what? I thought I got to call out "my people."
BTW, I am not White.
Really? Guess I'll have to take your word for it, since you refuse to identify yourself in any way. Did you notice that most people who engage in discourse on this forum have the courage to at least claim a few identity markers? Since all I had to go on was your paternalistic arrogance I naturally assumed you were a "white" man. How'd you get so good at it?
Anon @2:58
ReplyDeleteWow. You feel attacked?
No, but I do feel I'm debating with a disembodied voice. It's weird.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought you might be familiar with the basics of logical argument and understand the concept of logical fallacies. An ad hominem or ad feminam attack is an illogical method of arguing your point.
But I bet you really did know that, didn't you? You just like to play.
@ FN:
ReplyDeleteYou already know that where his freedom of speech begins...yours ends...and where yours begins...his ends...
Just grab another beer and let it go...I know I aint gonna let nobody worry me 'bout nuthin' come game time!
WHO DAT?
Peace.
~agape2010~
I have less respect for Alito and that stunt he pulled than CBS...I think he is more of a "tool" than Tebow...at least Tebow is stating his beliefs...albeit messing up game time...but Alito is in a position of power...it just proves that he is an educated fool.
ReplyDeleteAnd...Chris Matthews...
How can you watch someone spit at the screen all the time (yech).
But I do think Matthews is honest to a fault and just blurts out what he thinks...no filter.
He simply stated what is obvious for some...people can forget color if they concentrate on what is most important...but the minute you forget what is important you relegate yourself to Willie Lynch mentality...very easy for (most) white people to do...DIE TO WILLIE LYNCH MENTALITY WHITE PEOPLE! :/
Peace.
~agape2010~
For those who have ears to hear, hear this:
ReplyDeleteYou are not your bodies. You're not flesh and blood, and bone; you're a spirit pretending to be flesh and bone.
It is, I'd admit, a pretty good illusion, but it's meant to be. You suppose to believe, for the purpose of self-creation, that you are flesh--at least for a time.
The soul is not flesh. The soul doesn't enter the body at the time of inception, but may wait for a time--at any time during the gestation period, or shortly after the body, we call a baby, leaves the womb.
The soul must connect at some point, or the child is stillborn.
The soul connects itself to the physical form, but it does not enter it. And for the life of the physical form, it surrounds the form, without becoming one with it.
Spirit and matter does not commingle, but is always kept separate one from the other.
An attraction, not unlike a magnet, is what keeps the two aligned. When you're faint, for any reason--an illness, or your equilibrium is out of sync--it's because this alignment is broken, and the soul moves out of phase with the physical.
An abortion can be spontaneous. The soul can decide at the last minute to connect to the physical or abandon it.
If it decides to abandon the physical for any reason, it still can, at a later time, decide to enter the realm of the physical by way of another physical form.
An aborted fetus is not the beginning and end of anything but a physical vehicle, which the soul uses to interact with physicality, and the material world.
Once connected, the soul becomes human, forgetting that it's a soul with a body, who decided to incarnate, and live life as a human be-ing.
I thought I'd give you a little peek into what you have chosen not to remember.
Not all who are born forget their origin. Many remember that they're souls with bodies. Most don't.
You can remember who you are, but then you'd have to shift your view of reality, and for many that's not a pleasant prospect.
I've told you what you already know to be true. This knowledge is not withheld from you.
Some will hear. Some will ridicule. And some will remember. I say these things for those who wish to remember. You will know if you've remembered, if what I've said resonates.
If it doesn't resonate, it's because you choose to remain asleep. And that's fine, too.
Hey Race Traitoress, S knows that P. You can't say something like "I'd guess that the negative feelings some women experience are due to the preaching of self-righteous arrogant busybodies who are working their fingers to the bone laying guilt trips all over women who make this choice." And then bemoan poor logic.
ReplyDeleteYou must be one that does say, "Bene disserere est finis logices."
Or is it, "'Tis internet trends, internet trends, that hath ravish'd me."
-R.Maldonado
If Planed Parenthood had an add, I'd think there would be many groups up in arms, because they automatically assume that organization promotes abortion. Especially since sex education and birth control are seen as an exponents of abortion. I constantly get the impression that those whose are proponents of right to life, could give a crap about murdered babies, their main concern is that women are having sex that is not controlled by their moral view and that pregnancy should be a punishment. Otherwise, why wouldn't they be doing everything they could to support women when they are pregnant and in prevention of unwanted pregnancy.
ReplyDeleteI also think if men want a say, they should be tracked down and made to pay, even put in jail. None of this boys will be boys crap. Women are not the moral arbiters of men.
Men need to sew it up.
"A+A. Abortion is tissue of a potential life... so are my monthly periods. Would you like me to mail them to you so that potential life can be "saved" too?"
ReplyDeleteClassic!
"Chris Matthews is kind of a character, but he's a character I respect. You have to be a realist, and not just preaching to the choir"
Devona, I know a little about him. He grew up in Northeast Philly; Irish Catholic...anywhooo, swears he never even spoke to a black person until he went off to Holy Cross to College, and if you know anything about the Philly he grew up in, I am betting it's true. So take all of that for what it's worth. The guy drives me nuts, because I never quite know how to take him.
Mack, I respect your opinion. But again, I think the women have more of a stake in this discussion than we do. I have said this a million times and I will say it again: If men could give birth there would be drive-through abortion clinics.
"What's the big deal? Sounds like this abortion thing and its moral implications are rattling your conscience, causing great pain. What's that all about?"
Yeah, everytime I see a little monster on the street killing people whose mama had him at 16 while addcited to crack cocaine. Not to mention the fact that his daddy is doing life in Graterford. Yeah it causess me great pain...*give me a break*
I wonder when we are going to have Timothy McVeigh's mama telling us that if she had just aborted his ass all those people wouldn't have died in OK City? See where I am going with this?
No one has seen the ad or even knows what the subject matter contains. Until Feb. 7, all is hearsay.
ReplyDeletefalse, false, false. i saw it. as i related above, and as field confirms, my feeling was they only picked tebow's mom because people think her kid's a saint. not a mcveigh type.
if you don't like the ad, then don't watch it, you selfish psychopaths
ReplyDeleteI don't think that someone's immutable characteristics should prevent them from making an argument about anything. I might have cause to question some of their premises. But anyone should be free to weigh in on whatever issue he or she likes. Whites do this to blacks. Blacks do this to whites. Men do this to women. Women do this to men. No difference.
ReplyDeleteTo paraphrase Van Zant..
Now Tebow's ad does not bother me. Does your conscience bother you? Tell the truth...
I know what Matthews was trying to say but it came out wrong. What he should have said was that "Barack Obama has allowed ME to transcend my own unspoken internal bigotries and fears."
Alito shaking his head is small potatoes. Now if he had given the President il malocchio or the chin flick, that would have been a different story.. =)
we need abortion so that amoral skanks like Jody and her kind won't be continually plunking out genetically defective half breeds. It's just common sense.
ReplyDeleteObama's BLACK!?!?!?!?!?!?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't talk like any Nigger, I mean Black I've tied to a tree, I mean, umm forget it.
Finally something we can agree on...Killing Babies, I mean CHOICE.
If it wasn't for Roe V Wade there'd be about 40 Million more of Y'all.
Thats a bunch.
Yay Abortion!!!!!
Frank
my god, "frank," you really are a piece of human vomit. your mom could do an ad for why abortion is necessary! here's hope you're back behind bars soon, where you belong.
ReplyDeleteWow.......don't y'all realize that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margret Sanger was promoting eugenics, mainly for the purpose of killing blacks???? PP is rooted in racism at it's very worst. Even today statistically the highest percentage of abortions is in the black community. What a tragedy that y'all can promote this horror for politcal expediency.
ReplyDeleteWrong, wrong, wrong, on so many levels. Why'd they sell him the airtime for this crap????
ReplyDeleteAs for Chris Matthews, weeeell, words elude me....maybe he was drinking?
ReplyDeleteno one is promoting abortion.
ReplyDeleteno one has an abortion without thinking.
no one is "pro-abortion." we just don't think we have the right to tell a woman she has to carry a pregnancy to term.
PP does have that history BUT it has moved beyond that.
PP does MUCH more than provide abortions. and this isn't about PP. many people--women and men--depend on PP clinics for healthcare of all sorts. you're ignorant to believe otherwise.
where do you think uninsured people go for care?
"If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period. And that goes for every other man in A-merry-ca."
ReplyDeleteAmen. Until your body can become the vessel of that other life you have no fucking clue. You have no clue what it means to be terrified that your period is late, no clue what it means to have your body transform completely, no clue what happens when you give birth. no clue what it's like to know that no matter what he says now, the likelihood is very great that a some point that you will be abandoned with complete and total responibility for another human being for years to come. My uterus does not belong to the state, to a man, or to Focus on the Fucking Family.
I have no regrets about my abortion. i have no regrets about becoming a mother. I have never received a penny in child support, but now I can take care of my child responsibly. Opine way, judge away, but until YOU are the one whose body will become the vessel--the power, not the choice, the power--- to decide belongs to me.
anon 8:44,
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you use "you" in the singular sense. Since I think I was the only on discussing Planned Parenthood.
Using Margaret Sanger is introducing a Red Herring to distract from the facts of what Planned Parenthood actually does outside of abortion. Control is what you want, don't consider birth control, that is too much power for women to have. Black people are not going to disappear.
I hardly think the the percentage of black abortions is high as it is said. The only statistics I have seen is from those that have gotten public dollars. We don't know how many private abortions there are. It is just a statistic to present Black women are more sexual or irresponsible than other women; to reinforce a racial stereotype. It is also another device to shame Black people. This is a old as slavery.
Troy... I debated rather I should respond to you, but sometimes I think an object lesson on the limits of anonymous comments on the internet can be helpful.
ReplyDeleteFirst, you do not know me, my life or my sons. I do not pretend to know you, what you have or have not accomplished, and therefore will refrain from making assumptions about you or your family.
I am very proud of my sons.. those, by your description, genetic defects.. are very kind, decent humans... one is a masters level educated special ed elementary teacher who teaches children with autism by day and coaches youth basketball in the evenings. The other has spent years working on native american land rights, the environment, and is also a musician. They are both people I think you would be happy to have as your neighbor, your friend. And both, in a heart beat, would be there to lend YOU a helping hand if you were ever in need. I am very grateful I have the privilege of being these two lovely human's mother.
Now, see how silly it is to make personal attacks over the internet?
Why is everybody concetrating on Alito?
ReplyDeleteDid you see what Clarence Thomas was mouthing?
"You gon' make massa real mad!"
[quote]Here is the thing that drives me crazy about these anti-choicers... they love to extoll the CHOICE they made, but seem unable to see that is what it was.... a CHOICE![/quote]
ReplyDeleteJody - it is YOU who are the bigoted and intolerant one!!!
What I find it most ironic of the issue in aggregate is that some of the leadership from "Rock The Vote" are now leaders in the "Woman's Media Center".
"Rock The Vote" released the video telling women to NOT HAVE CASUAL SEX with a man who opposed the "government health care confiscation". Despite the massive problems with unwanted pregnancy, STD and HIV infections - they promote the notion that "casual sex is cool" AND that it should be used as a POLITICAL TOOL.
In disaggregating the act from the CONSEQUENCES - the Progressive-Fundamentalists are forced to promote the termination of the gestating baby inside of the womb as a necessary option.
You see Jody - you and others have as a NON-STARTER any notion that SOCIETY/CULTURE should regulate the FIRST FATAL CHOICE: to have sex in a relationship that was not able to deal with the key OUTCOMES that result from heterosexual-vaginal sex.
In your quest to tie a woman's freedom to have sex with WHO she wants, as frequently as she wants and REGARDLESS of the relationship she is in - you must (pervertedly) make the notion that her right to remove the "mass of tissue" that is growing inside of her body from its nutrition source as a edification of WOMAN'S RIGHTS!!!!
You focus on the WOMAN rather than the gift of life that is gestating inside of her. This must be demoted as a "mass of tissues" - despite the fact that no laboratory could create it.
Jody WHAT MUST YOU LOSE in the way of CONSCIOUSNESS FOR HUMANITY for you to advance your agenda?
(Note: Technically I am "pro-choice". I do not want the government to make the final decision on this matter. Instead this must be addressed CULTURALLY.
A people with the consciousness to value human beings will see the need to arrange themselves with bonds that allow them to advance collectively.
The same child that has been reduced to the reference of "A bun in the oven" by an unattached woman - is CELEBRATED by the man and woman who are in a relationship in which this "mass of tissue" is valued as the vessel by which the family name and HONOR is perpetuated into the future.)
[quote]Did you see what Clarence Thomas was mouthing?[/quote]
ReplyDeleteFRAUD!!
Thomas and Salia were not there.
Security policy says that not every single member of the federal leadership should be in one place.
CF, lighten the fuck up.
ReplyDeleteit was a joke. UTS knew thomas wasn't there. and many times ALL SCOTUS is present.
and you're a man--so you get no say on abortion.
Filled Negro:
ReplyDeleteI noticed two things about you as a lawyer over these past few days:
1) The ACORN exposure was GUILTY in your mind upon hearing the scenario told to you by the AUTHORITIES. You are a DEFENSE ATTORNEY. It is clear that the ONLY reason why you drank the Koolaide from the authorities was because of your ideological bias.
If this same guy was a Drug Dealer on the street YOU would be the one scrutinizing the CLAIMS of the authorities
2) PRESIDENT OBAMA MISREPRESENTED THE SUPREME COURT RULING'S CONSEQUENCES.
It REMAINS illegal for a foreign company to spend money on US elections - despite Obama's claim.
As a lawyer how could you miss this POINT of FACT?
Or is it the character of the lawyer to spread propaganda and then expect the LISTENER to do their own research and DISPUTE your claim?
You do a disservice to your readers when you fail at full disclosure for propaganda purposes.
Anon 8:44 Yes Margaret Sanger tried to enlist the help of black preachers in her zeal to quietly exterminate the blacks in America. W.E.B. Dubose was cosigning with her too!
ReplyDeletewww.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
most enlightened people believe that there should be enforced abortion for blacks on welfare, since they don't have any conception of modesty or restraint. Some of the biggest heroes to black people are rappers, and they colorfully describe black females as "ho". We get American tv and so we can see through this window.
ReplyDeleteThe Israelis go one better: black women must take birth control.
[quote]it was a joke. UTS knew thomas wasn't there. and many times ALL SCOTUS is present.[/quote]
ReplyDeleteMaria - STEVE is the JOKE!!!
Thomas - a Black man - IS the "dead carcass" that is strung up by the Black bigot as a "Remember the Alamo" force of unity for their HATRED.
IF some group used Barack Obama in the same vein - THESE SAME PEOPLE attacking Thomas would be the first one's shouting RACISM!!!!
and you're a man--so you get no say on abortion.
Maria - Do you notice how the question of the VALUE of the human being vacillates based upon the issue at hand?
You effectively told me to "mind my own business" - its your body. Point well taken. It is your body.
However as the pattern of disaggregating the actions done in the context of our human relationship from the OUTCOMES that we are seeking to achieve - you merely proclaim that these STATED GOALS are in fact NOT worth the personal limits and/or sacrifice that must be inculcated for many of these desired ends to be obtained.
The same people who obfuscate and say "You don't care one damned thing about the baby after it is born - why do you pretend to care about it NOW?" are the very same people who would do nearly everything to erect a CULTURE which worked to REGULATE the copulation from which these problems flow.
So many of our problems are rooted in the EXCHANGE OF BODY FLUID.
Some believe that the focus upon a prophylactic or clean hypodermic IS the fix. In truth they are nothing more than the tacit acknowledgment that the "equal human being" in question sometimes acts in a way that is destructive to his own life. THEY need to insert the government in the middle of the transaction.
actually, i just said that to provoke you, and i succeeded.
ReplyDeleteDidn't you see the link? Not my ignorance, white boy
ReplyDeleteRT, you are no one of us. Stop pretending. And your comment makes you racist.
CF,
ReplyDelete"In your quest to tie a woman's freedom to have sex with WHO she wants, as frequently as she wants and REGARDLESS of the relationship she is in"
This is a problem for you? That is the real issue. Women should not to make those choices, although men do all the time. If women have that choice then how will men define themselves? Would it mean that they would have to take responsibility all the time; use condoms when they visit prostitutes, have affairs, one night stands or get vasectomies when they don't want children in a relationship or be celibate without religious reasons, but because they don't want to chance bringing a child into this world.
Then you make the leap in logic about how a woman would regard her pregnancy.
This is why men shouldn't speak.
FN: You always tend to conflate the gay rights meme with the pro life agenda...With that said, I don't know why some were offended by the commercial (which I didn't see because I don't own TV). Mr. Tebow's story is compelling. If you believe something is wrong and you say something about it, I'd imagine that would get you a Field Negro medal or something like that. Although you disagree with his message, is he not doing what he thinks is right?
ReplyDeleteCF
ReplyDelete"Thomas - a Black man - IS the "dead carcass" that is strung up by the Black bigot as a "Remember the Alamo" force of unity for their HATRED."
Looks like I touched a nerve.
CF is so upset that I poked fun at Uncle Slappy because Thomas is the template that all black conservatives aspire to.
The black mediocrity who ascends to the highest levels of American power by being the contrarian sellout.
And then claiming victimhood.
That takes nuggets!
Jody, if you have half-black children from different fathers, that's nothing to apologize for. Please don't be so wishy-washy.
ReplyDeletewe know that black women are more promiscuous than others, but we need to realize that this serves a useful function. It brings cash into the local economy from outside.
ReplyDeleteThe above post was not written by me but a cowardly troll.
ReplyDeleteSome racist is impersonating me! From now on don't pay any attention to anything that I say. Then he'll go away.
ReplyDeleteAnon 10:14...wrong again in assumptions about my sons... and I did not apologize. And, I agree that IF I had children who were from different fathers or bi-racial, or whatever... I would not feel the need to apologize. No wishy washy here.
ReplyDeleteThe above post was not written by me. I would never use the word "away".
ReplyDeleteOK, I gotta put my 2 cents worth in here, if for no other reason than to balance out the foaming-at-the-mouth anti-choice crowd. And CHOICE is the operative word: MY choice, not YOUR choice. Should anyone besides my doctor have a say in whether or not I have an appendectomy or gall bladder surgery? And before the foamers jump all over me, no, I've never had an abortion, but I HAVE given birth. I don't begrudge my child his life, but I would never force a woman to go through the process who hadn't had the option of deciding for herself if it was something she wanted to do. Ain't fun, folks. And that's just the giving birth process, let alone the terrifying responsibility of caring for that child--especially if you're on your own.
ReplyDeleteThanks, field, for voicing your support of choice. And thanks to all the others here who have so much more eloquently defended the right to choose.
...yop
Oh yeah, Chris Matthews is an idiot, but I think he means well. Wish I could say the same about Alito.
FN,
ReplyDeleteI think what bothers me about the commercial, is why is Tebow birth valued above others. I understand from a mother's point of view, but I never understood that argument about what if certain people hadn't been born as a anti-abortion message. There has always been an era of discovery, even though one person may have gotten the most credit for it. Human development and advancement never has been dependent upon a single human being.
Also I think my son is more talented as a visual artist, but unfortunately football is more highly valued in this society.
> Also I think my son is more talented as a visual artist, but unfortunately football is more highly valued in this society.
ReplyDeleteso what if he's gay? stop bragging, I hate it when people brag that they have gay sons.
I did not write the above post, either. I think everyone knows that.
ReplyDelete@mm
ReplyDeleteRT, you are no one of us. Stop pretending. And your comment makes you racist.
I don't know which group of "us" you claim, but I'm sure you're right---I'm not one of you.
RT has got that racial self-loathing thing going on. This blog is for the confident ones, and would be more harmonious without the wiggers being here and arguing with everyone.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with frank is that he feels alienated, disenfranchised, alone, unloved and therefore full of hateful rants. But make no mistake, the other side of that coin is just as much passion and love, only it's never been celebrated in him, and therefore never felt. Sad situation, but one that has a solution.
ReplyDelete[quote]If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period[/quote]
ReplyDeleteI did a post last year that showed TWO MOVIE SCENES.
Note the FIRST WORDS OUT OF THE BORTHER'S MOUTH!!!!!
1) Actress Kerry Washington in some straight to DVD movie - she gets pregnant by an "on again, off again male partner". She finds out she's pregnant and goes to TELL HIM ABOUT IT.
The FIRST WORDS out of the brother's mouth: ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP IT???????
"Yes she said.". They were both HAPPY.
2) An independent Black film seen on Netflix. A poor, struggling Black family. The woman gets pregnant. Though they have 2 other kids - when the woman tells the Black man that she is pregnant:
FIRST WORDS FROM THE BROTHER: "This is WONDERFUL NEWS!!! An addition to our family!!!"
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Is it possible that the unintended consequence of your "quest for THE RIGHT to control your own body" you have actually GIVEN UP more than it is worth?
Same genetic material in both cases.
Only the CONTEXT AND PURPOSE that was derived from the RELATIONSHIP that the woman was in with her mate expressed the VALUE to turn the "lump of tissue" into a gestating human that is welcomed as an addition to the family.
[quote]I think what bothers me about the commercial, is why is Tebow birth valued above others.[/quote]
ReplyDeleteHOW do you LOGICALLY deduce this Hathor?
IF Michelle Obama was to announce the PREGNANCY by which the "Obama Name" would be perpetuated - I assure you that AFROSPEAR would create a new Blog property that followed this male "Obama child" from the birth canal onward to his thrown some 25 years from now.
Please tell me how in Tebo OTHER PEOPLE'S VALUE is demoted!!!???
Filled Negro: (And Mellaneous)
ReplyDeleteHelp me out.
What is the INVISIBLE FORCE that binds up together as s civilized society which demands that we NOT BE SELFISH and thus share our private property with another so that THEY MIGHT LIVE and live up to a certain standard which this BOND demands from all of us.
YET you set up the "All penis-owners MIND YOUR DAMNED BUSINESS" mantra in your opening statements.
How do you reconcile this stance?
(With all due respect) I wonder IF we later found that the discarded "mass of tissue" that had been discarded after the process in question had been diverted for LAB TESTING or for consumption by certain farm animals because as "tissue" they contained nutrients that were favorable to the growth of these animals - for some reason those of you who attempt to DISAGGREGATE this issue into its component parts (your rights) would have problems with the use of this mere "tissue".
I DO NOT SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT prosecuting anyone who does make such a fatal CHOICE. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of CIVIL SOCIETY, however to set the conditions by which humans are valued more than mere "living tissue" AND regulate the behavior of others by which they are devalued as such.
Next time I see a starving man on the street asking for money - I AM GOING TO TELL HIM: "I am MINDING MY OWN BUSINESS about your condition. Go to Filled Negro and thus find someone who CARES."
[quote]The black mediocrity who ascends to the highest levels of American power by being the contrarian sellout.[/quote]
ReplyDeleteWhiteBowieSteve:
In your best "Non-White White Supremacist" tone can you articulate the resume of MEDIOCRITY that is attached to Clarence Thomas?
Is it that Yale Law School is inferior and he should have gone to Harvard with Obama?
Or is it, as I suspect, HE DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU and thus this forever tarnishes him?
You have no idea how much you are modeled after an "All White Jury" of the past.
the ploy that he was "saving babies" didn't work.
ReplyDeleteguilty of murder in the first degree.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/30/us/30roeder.html?hp
UTS,
ReplyDeleteIf you create a blogger profile no one will be able to duplicate it. The profile doesn't require a lot of info.
CF,
ReplyDeleteTell me why The Family didn't use a non celebrity.
100 bucks says "race traitoress" is overweight and sloppy. Her weight drives her political leanings and desperate, patronizing desire to appeal to black folks.
ReplyDelete11:04,
ReplyDeleteYou and sometime other anons, remind me of a 4 year old that has learned a four letter word.
CF
ReplyDelete"In your best "Non-White White Supremacist" tone can you articulate the resume of MEDIOCRITY that is attached to Clarence Thomas?"
You know damn well that with his resume if Thomas was white he would never have been even considered for the Supreme Court.
Thomas wasn't even close to being the most distingusihed minority jurist in America in 1991.
He was just the black rightwing jurist in 1991.
So stop it, okay?
[quote]
ReplyDeleteThis is a problem for you? That is the real issue. Women should not to make those choices, although men do all the time. If women have that choice then how will men define themselves? Would it mean that they would have to take responsibility all the time; use condoms when they visit prostitutes, have affairs, one night stands or get vasectomies when they don't want children in a relationship or be celibate without religious reasons, but because they don't want to chance bringing a child into this world.[/quote]
Hathor:
Your statement is 100% ABSTRACT THEORY.
It undercuts any notion that you might have expressed regarding the NEED FOR men to live up to their responsibility in their commitment to caring for their children.
The CONSEQUENCE for a "woman making a choice" for sex, as you say, without noting the consequences that SHE is left with as the brother man deposits his "genetic material" IS ALWAYS shouldered by HER.
ONLY CIVILIZED CULTURE can make the BROTHER MAN stand and deliver in kind.
Hathor - CAN WE BOTH AGREE - without prejudice to our positions on the subject that ON AVERAGE a child has a far better chance of being well balanced when his mother and the male who donated 1/2 of his genetic makeup are the primary ADULTS raising him/her?
For me I note the EXCEPTIONS and deal with them RESPECTFULLY.
For others 'THE RULE' is discriminatory and thus they seek to promote the "EXCEPTIONS" as commonplace. Too often the notions of government caretaking supplants the role that CULTURAL MANAGEMENT (or religion) once played.
[quote]Thomas wasn't even close to being the most distingusihed minority jurist in America in 1991.[/qutoe]
ReplyDeleteSteve does not have the bandwidth to note the IRONY in his statement above.
So tell me, Steve, since "Sotomayor" took the seat that a WHITE MALE had occupied WHY didn't Obama limit his search to other White males?
There is NO WAY IN HELL that you, me or anyone else could come up with a LIST of "qualified MINORITIES" that will satisfy you, me and every other competing interest.
Your claim is merely rhetorical.
Again it is ironic that The Grio wrote an article about Clarence Thomas voting that a school authority asking a student to shake her bra so that drugs might fall out was NOT a violation of the 4th Amendment.
YET The Grio and no ther Black Leftist group noted the outcome of "Kelo vs City Of New London" where Ginsberg and the other leftist DEFENDED the modern version of day "Negro Renewal" in which the GOVERNMENT took private property and GAVE IT TO another PRIVATE PARTY seeking to build a private enterprise.
One day you and other fundamentalist will index your theories to your PERMANENT INTERESTS rather than you own ideology or party.
[quote]Tell me why The Family didn't use a non celebrity.[/quote]
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's that OPPRESSIVE little think known as the "First Amendment".
This allows them to keep YOU out of their casting committee and choose who they wanted to.
Do you realize Hathor that I have heard more static from you on this issue with Tebo than I had ever heard from you when I pointed out that a White Liberal Democratic Politician asked Drug Dealing Rapper YOUNG JEEZY to speak at his campaign rally?
Jeezy, TI and Ludachris were called out to the "Get the Black Folks Out To Vote For The Democrat" rally because the HANDLERS FIGURED that Jeezy's DRAW UPON the Black people MUSICALLY would translate into their POLITICAL actions.
Sadly when one listens to his music we SHOULD ASK: "What Black and dignified WOMAN would listen to a man who calls her such names?"
Now we are so degraded we are at the point where we must ask "Why did she PAY $75 to hear him call her out of her name" and WHICH FORCE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY sees how Black people TICK and thus invited him rather than SHUNNED HIM?
Tebo has NEVER SOLD DRUGS TO BLACK PEOPLE or told of the situation in which he would SHOOT A BLACK MAN WITH HIS 9.
This is enough for him to pass through my first test.
CF
ReplyDeleteYou're kidding right?
Sotomator is a woman who spent six years as a federal judge and more than a decade as an appellate court judge in New York. She has ruled on two high profile cases, one which ended the 1994 major league baseball strike and one which allowed The Wall Street Journal to publish the suicide note of former Clinton aide Vince Foster.
Neither Thomas, Souter nor Alito came close to this experience.
And as been readliy observed from Justice Sotomayers short tenure on the high court, she asked more questions from the bench in one week than Thomas has in 19 years.
RT said: "This is a blatant falsehood. Most women report that the overall feeling after undergoing abortion is "relief."
ReplyDeleteI agree. And I would think putting a child up for adoption (especially blind adoptions) would cause more long term mental harm to both mother and possibly child than having an actual abortion. I wish pro-life nuts would mind their own effing life.
Hathor said: "I constantly get the impression that those whose are proponents of right to life, could give a crap about murdered babies, their main concern is that women are having sex that is not controlled by their moral view and that pregnancy should be a punishment. Otherwise, why wouldn't they be doing everything they could to support women when they are pregnant and in prevention of unwanted pregnancy. "
Hathor, you just said VOLUMES. I too have always said this. You hit the nail on the head. This is why I've always felt these pro-life people are more vile, wicked and vindictive with this willful sexist driven pathological agenda.
Someone is pretending to be UTS? WTH does IT wanna do THAT for, LOL???
ReplyDeleteI'm anti-abortion except in very extreme cicumstances like incest, rape, or if a life is at stake. What I find interesting are all the people that have an aboriton THEN become pro-life, like what the hell is that? You take advantage of the service then want to deny it for others who may have had as good a reason for having an abortion as you? GTFOH, I HATE hypocrisy!!!!!
As for Alito's response to Pres. Obama, once again I ask where's the suprise? I knew when Obama was elected he would be the most disrespected President in US history!
"Memo to Tim; work on your damn game and stop trying to preach to me. If your body can't produce a child I don't want to hear shit that you have to say about abortion. Period. And that goes for every other man in A-merry-ca."
ReplyDeleteThanks, Field. Would that more people - especially people with influence and power - thought as you did.
fly said--I'm anti-abortion except in very extreme cicumstances like incest, rape, or if a life is at stake.
ReplyDeletedo you think roe should be over-turned, or do you think that women have the right to make their own decision? are you speaking for your own choice--or everyone's?
"I'm anti-abortion except in very extreme cicumstances like incest, rape"
ReplyDeleteSo what's the difference? Why should the circumstance surrounding how a woman became pregnant should make it any better or worse? A life is a life, right? You people either need to make up your minds, or come on out and tell the truth about your true motives. It's all about spite and having control. Get over it.
(And no, I have never had an abortion, and I wouldn't miss a beat if I ever had to get one).
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ReplyDeletealso i'm a bit concerned about your views, fly, if you expressed them with clients during the time you said you were in aids counselor. what you are espousing is quite extreme and NOT the law of the land.
ReplyDeleteand let's not even use this term "pro-life." we're all PRO-LIFE.
and LaC, as you imply, the life of the mother often IS at risk if she is forced to carry a pregnancy she can't handle or doesn't want or need to term.
anyone see revolutionary road? women died using coat-hangers and rubber tubes, lest we forget. no whores and sluts--married women who didn't three and four kids.
women in less developed countries without access to birth control and abortion who live under the thumb of their husbands are STILL dying.
why should I have to hear what you stand for...?
ReplyDeleteWhat is it about Free Speech that rankles so many people? I hear so much crap that I just HATE...but I know in my soul that'd it'd be WRONG to muzzle the other guy.
I read all the comment's, and some SCARED me, some came from women, well, all I can say is HELP us LORD! and God, please HELP FIELD NEGRO!
ReplyDeleteI don't know any of you people, but, some of you seem to FLOW together on Life Issue's, if FIELD say's, (ain't nothing wrong with Killing a BABY)the Majority of the people on this BLOG will follow his MINDSET! people be careful, because we will all be JUDGED one DAY!
Year's ago, a woman I knew would get pregnant ALL the time, and she would TRY to hide her pregnancy by wearing TWO or THREE GIRDLE'S, this seemed to work for her, because those BABY'S never saw the LIGHT of DAY! this was her way of Abortion! we all knew she was pregnant, but, she would never admit to it, you see, she was in LOVE with my cousin and she wanted him, but, he did not want her, and yes, those Baby's she Killed were his baby's, well, she did have one daughter by him, let me fast forward!
Well about TEN YEAR'S ago, after this person had lived to be about FORTY something, for some reason she decided to go to the store, well, she had to cross a big ENTER SECTION to get to the store, well, she never made it to the OTHER SIDE, she was hit by a BIG TRUCK and it SMASHED her to DEATH! my mind went back to ALL those BABY'S, she Smashed in her STOMACH and Killed YEAR'S EARLIER'S, people it is some thing's in life YOU just DO NOT TAMPER with, for in this life, you will REAP what you have SOWED, God will make sure of that! TRUE STORY!
Some women that ABORT their BABY'S, will NOT just STOP at having ONE ABORTION, they will have ABORTION after ABORTION! so in other word's, they DO NOT have a problem with Killing! and people DO NOT tell me this is NOT KILLING, if something had LIFE at one point, and you decide it should STOP breathing, then it is MURDER!
Month's ago, I was told, we had a young lady on my street walking around with a DEAD BABY in her STOMACH, when I heard this, I almost fainted, well this person had two children already, but, at some point in her life, she had TWO ABORTION'S, well, when she became PREGNANT with her FIFTH CHILD she wanted to give BIRTH to it, but, NOT SO! well, the BABY DIED inside of her WOMB! WHY? GOD only know's!
The DOCTOR gave her a shot so the baby could be released out of her body, they sent her home, and she had to WALK around for a week with a DEAD BABY in her STOMACH! when I was told about this, it almost brought to my knee's! some thing's in LIFE is NOT CUT and DRY as some of you GROWN ADULT'S would like to believe, GOD will FORGIVE, but, he will NOT FORGET!
ISEEISEE
iseeisee,
ReplyDeleteWhat about people who never had abortions, but crossed intersections and gotten "smashed" by trucks, what did they do?
"people be careful, because we will all be JUDGED one DAY!"
Many of us are going to get judged when that day comes for other "things" we do, and we don't even realize it. So who should be the judge?
omg. what a steaming pile of a shit story!
ReplyDeletelet me tell you a different story.
a friend of mine became pregnant, on purpose, while in a committed relationship. she was seen in a military hospital in DC. in performing an amnio, a large tear formed.
she began to lose fluid and it was clear the fetus could not survived. HOWEVER, because the federal govt. does not allow abortions except in those extreme cases, LIKE THOSE THAT FLY BELIEVES IN, they SENT HER HOME in that condition and told her to wait...and in a few days they could see her and perform an abortion. because by then, her life WOULD BE in danger so they'd be free to proceed.
this was horrifying to me and my friend, who was suffering terribly through all this, and she chose to have an abortion ASAP rather than wait until a crisis was upon her. i personally drove her to a clinic (which was picketed by old men) charged her abortion on my credit card and took care of her afterward.
this is your govt. in action. thanks to lunatics like bart stupak and henry hyde. and keep in mind, depending on how health reform turns out (or doesn't) ALL women with insurance, even if they pay for it themselves, will no longer have access to abortion unless they buy a "rider," which isn't even sold.
CF,
ReplyDeleteOnly when my son was listening to rap did I know who was saying what and that was some time ago.
As far as the problem that you discuss, I think over many years I have heard the problems of the black community discussed ad infinitum and have said what we need is feet on the ground. That seems to be a concept you don't understand. I don't discuss what I should do because I am not in a position to do anything now. When I could, forty some years ago I did.
I would say to you, take your business sense, go into those neighborhoods, appeal to the prurient interest about starting a business, acquiring capital and making a profit. You may get only a few, but you might just influence one person that will make a difference. That's feet on the ground. You have to have no fear.
Think of those children in the Selma to Montgomery march.
@Anon 11:17
ReplyDeleteRT has got that racial self-loathing thing going on. This blog is for the confident ones, and would be more harmonious without the wiggers being here and arguing with everyone.
You new around here? Lol.
@Anon 12:53 PM
ROFLMAO!!
just found your blog via "mouse medicine". you say what I think only you say it better. thank you!
ReplyDeleteas the terminator would say, "i'll be back."
maria said...
ReplyDeleteare you speaking for your own choice--or everyone's?
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You know Maria, one of the many things that makes you such a pathetic piece of shit to me is that you always make these quasi insulting statements all under the guise of being inquisitive.
IF I were speaking on my own experiences to you actually think I'd come HERE to look for what? Comfort? Compassion? I don't think so, you see among those soon to be 4 college degress I've earned, including 3 science degress are courses in LOGIC and as a LOGICAL person I certainly wouldn't come here to air ANY dirty laundry.
So with that said, FUCK YOU for even insuintaing that I've had an abortion. Contrary to what every it is you believe about BLACK WOMEN, there are a LOT just like me whose PERFECTLY PLANNED pregnancies resulted in births.
And allow me to clarify another common misconception. Not every BLACK WOMAN has had an STD either .
ReplyDeleteOn another note,one of the BIG reasons we need more Doctors of color in medicine is so that every time a Black women of a certain age or any age for that matter goes to see a Doctor, some asshole won't assume the worst about her sexual/reproductive history.
I dont believe in abortion; but I do believe that if abortion was not legal, that a lot of women would do it illegally. I wouldnt want to see that happen either. I always thought that abortion was a red herring. If people who feel abortion is wrong are getting that from the Bible, than the main idea is that people should not being having sex outside of marriage. I know that married women have abortions as well, but I dont believe that to be the majority.
ReplyDeleteI, also, have trouble with women and men saying that the man has no choice. So, he has no choice when it comes to keeping the baby; but, if the woman decides to keep the baby then he is ultimately responsible to take care of the baby? If she decides to keep the baby besides his wishes, then shouldnt he then be let go of his responsibiliy? It just seems one-sided to me.
what a blowhard!
ReplyDeletei asked you if you believed roe v. wade should be overturned, and you unload on me like that? that was totally uncalled for.
read what i wrote. i said are you saying that would be your own choice--NOT to have an abortion--or do you think that should be the law of the land?
i wasn't implying by any single word that i wrote you have an abortion. or that black women all have STDs.
if you didn't want to answer the question, you could have just said so. and i see that you still haven't.
i don't agree with you so i was asking you to talk more about your beliefs. i was explaining how the govt. restrictions, like those you mentioned, sometimes work in practice.
there are some people who say they personally believe they wouldn't have an abortion except in those extreme cases but they still support the rights of others.
and thanks for showing sympathy for my friend.
i'm a pathetic piece of shit? look in the mirror!
"if the woman decides to keep the baby then he is ultimately responsible to take care of the baby? If she decides to keep the baby besides his wishes, then shouldnt he then be let go of his responsibiliy? "
ReplyDeleteThe man forfeits such "decision rights" when he already made his initial "decision" by choosing to have sex without proper use of a condom. Period.
Married couples are another issue. However, if a woman doesn't feel supported or secured enough to bring a child with her husband or committed partner, then perhaps that man should also do some self-evaluation on his end.
maria:
ReplyDeletea friend of mine became pregnant, on purpose, while in a committed relationship. she was seen in a military hospital in DC. in performing an amnio, a large tear formed.
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If you're friend had gone to a local ER after leaving the military hosptial, I'm sure a rational thinking Doctor would have given her a therapeutic abortion.
Myabe it's just me, but if I have a life threatening situation and I can't get help with one Doc I'm gonna go find one that WILL help me even if I have to pay for it!!! And yes, I've had to do exactly that a couple times although I ended up not paying for it because I, NOT the doc, made the right medical call.
It's common sense people, if YOU don't look out for your best medical interests, no one else will.
So I believe your issue Maria, is about medical malpractice NOT abortion!
SEEISEE, please pray for me. :(
ReplyDeleteexplain why you had to get all up in my face when i asked your position on roe v. wade.
ReplyDeleteand no, my issue is about how restrictions play out in the real world.
one more thing--there's no such thing as ERs doing therapeutic abortions. few doctors even learn abortion procedures in medical schools anymore--do to extremism creeping into medical care. ever sat in an ER for hours on end? even with triage, how do you picture what she did being worse than what you suggested?
ReplyDeleteshe went to a place where she was guaranteed to get a procedure by people who know what they are doing.
People only want free speech when it applies to them.
ReplyDeleteIf there is an opposing opinion, for better or worse they label it as "hate speech" and want it silenced. See what happens when you call Chris Matthews on the foul stench of his statement among those who need to be comforted by us being forgiving or just keeping silent and knowing your place.
If this pro-fetus ad is to be played, then they should allow the gay dating ads.
I don't like abortions either. I am aware that it's availibility is targeted towards our communities. I do like free speech and think that it's being curtailed. If we can have half naked models all day long then why not other ads.
maria said...
ReplyDeleteone more thing--there's no such thing as ERs doing therapeutic abortions.
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Are you slow? Did I SAY that an ER doc would do the TAB?
Know what? I'm DONE going back and forth with your ass!
"If you're friend had gone to a local ER after leaving the military hosptial, I'm sure a rational thinking Doctor would have given her a therapeutic abortion."
ReplyDeleteKnow what? I'm DONE going back and forth with your ass!
you do have a thing about asses, don't you?
ER doc would try to call a specialist, and the hospital WOULDN'T HAVE ONE. are YOU slow?
i guess you still have no comment on whether roe v. wade should be overturned. coward.
(Men need to sew it up.)
ReplyDeleteHey now ! the train can't go into the tunnel,unless the lights are flashing GREEN !!!
if you don't want it in their,don't let it in their.
Field, "Yeah, everytime I see a little monster on the street killing people whose mama had him at 16 while addcited to crack cocaine. Not to mention the fact that his daddy is doing life in Graterford. Yeah it causess me great pain...*give me a break*"
ReplyDeleteSounds like you are in agreement with Frank D, regarding Blacks.
"I wonder when we are going to have Timothy McVeigh's mama telling us that if she had just aborted his ass all those people wouldn't have died in OK City? See where I am going with this?"
No Field, I don't see where you are going with this. It sounds dark, foreboding and a little myopic to me. Please be specific.
Maria, Regarding Roe vs Wade:
ReplyDelete"Yet there has been one infinitely tragic and destructive departure from those American ideals in recent memory. It was this Court's own decision in Roe v. Wade (1973) to exclude the unborn child from the human family. You ruled that a mother, in consultation with her doctor, has broad discretion, guaranteed against infringement by the United States Constitution, to choose to destroy her unborn child.
Your opinion stated that you did not need to “resolve the difficult question of when life begins.” That question is inescapable. If the right to life in an inherent and inalienable right, it must surely exist wherever life exists. No one can deny that the unborn child is a distinct being, that it is human, and that it is alive. It is unjust, therefore, to deprive the unborn child of its fundamental right to life on the basis of its age, size, or condition of dependency.
It was a sad infidelity to America's highest ideals when this Court said that it did not matter, or could not be determined, when the inalienable right to life began for a child in its mother's womb.
America needs no words from me to see how your decision in Roe v. Wade has deformed a great nation. The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships.
It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society.
It has portrayed the greatest of gifts—a child—as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered domination over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters.
And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners.
Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign.
The Constitutional Court of the Federal Republic of Germany recently ruled that “the unborn child is entitled to its rights to life independently of acceptance by its mother; this is an elementary and inalienable right that emanates from the dignity of the human being.” Americans may feel justly proud that Germany in 1993 was able to recognize the sanctity of human life. You must weep that your own government, at present, seems blind to this truth."
Maria, some claim that the recent decision by the Supreme Court regarding campaign financing, was the worst in history. Actually, Roe vs. Wade was the worst because it licensed a nation to kill defenseless unborn children.
If there is any conscience left in the moral dna of this nation, Roe vs Wade will eventually be over turned because, like slavery, it is an ugly stain on the conscience of humanity.
[quote]That seems to be a concept you don't understand.[/quote]
ReplyDeleteHathor:
I typically don't use my community involvement to "defend" myself against criticism BUT:
Tomorrow - here is what I worked out:
1) My Jamaican wife is BACK IN JAMAICA for the weekend.
2) My kids have music class at 11am
3) My WEEKLY MENTORING SESSION for a group of project kids in a neighboring city is at 10am.
4) If I tell the mentoring group that I can't make it - up to 10 little Black boys will miss this session because they'll have to cancel.
SOLUTION:
5) I asked a family friend to drive my kids to their music lessons SO THAT I CAN PROVIDE "BOOT ON THE GROUND" to 10 other Black boys so they they won't one day have their "PANTS ON THE GROUND".
You see Hathor - when I mention the fact that in 3 years of participation I HAVE NEVER ONCE seen a FATHER show up to pick up any of these boys, only mothers, older sisters or older brothers - THEN I AM ACCUSED OF "HATING BLACK PEOPLE" by WhiteBowieSteve and others.
When I dare notice that I have to LEAVE MY HOUSE AND MY WIFE AND MY KIDS to go COVER FOR the void that A LIST OF OTHER BLAME MEN have left as I transfer my knowledge upon these kids - I am said to be practicing "I got mine, you've got to get your own".
Bottom Line Hathor - here is my true opinion:
It is resource intensive for me to leave my home to go take care of ANOTHER MAN'S KIDS. We instead need to have these MEN who "got some" 9 months ago to STEP UP to their responsibility.
Hathor - close your eyes: "I didn't get the booty and create the kid" yet I am asked to apply my own "Social Consciousness" to cover for the brother who DID fertilize the egg in the process of using the friction from the vaginal walls to stimulate the nerve endings in his penis, triggering his ejaculation of genetic material into the womb in question and thus.....fertilizing the EGG.
Hell since we are DISAGGREGATING the question of gestation - we may as well go into this level of detail.
Its ONLY the exchange of genetic material to trigger the "tissue creation" process after all - RIGHT?
IseeIsee:
ReplyDeleteIf I am going to criticize you then the least I can do is to compliment you when I "feel you".
Your name tells of a bit of consciousness. Your last post shows some measure of connectedness within you.
I don't have to agree with you on everything to address with you on the important things.
anon--those comments you cited without attribution were written by mother teresa.
ReplyDeletemy feelings about her speaking on behalf of women's reproductive freedoms are slightly more oppositional than the idea of men have a say.
Eloquent @8:20!
ReplyDeleteMaria,
ReplyDelete"my feelings about her speaking on behalf of women's reproductive freedoms are slightly more oppositional than the idea of men have a say."
You need to read it again, without conflating reproductive organs and killing unborn helpless children for your own convenience.
How would you like someone to kill you for their convenience and use reproductive organs or anything else as a reason to do it?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteWow.......don't y'all realize that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margret Sanger was promoting eugenics, mainly for the purpose of killing blacks???? PP is rooted in racism at it's very worst. Even today statistically the highest percentage of abortions is in the black community. What a tragedy that y'all can promote this horror for politcal expediency.
8:44 AM
FINALLY!!! Someone knows what's what...I thank you forpoint ing out a simplefact of American history that everyone needs to know. And like liquor stores, pawn shops, and rim shops...they are on every corner in black (and now Hispanic) neighborhoods. This is definitly "planned".
Peace.
~agape2010~
margaret sanger's history is not a secret.
ReplyDeleteall of you are sadly misinformed about abortion and women's rights, but that's ok. you clearly want to remain that way.
hey!
ReplyDeleteany of you ant-choicers who want to see women barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen should know:
tim tebow's mother wasn't even IN THE US when this alleged issue occurred of a doctor advising an abortion. she was in the phillipines, which some of you might now is NOT under our laws and government, yet some how they are the poster children. as i pointed out earlier, her story is totally unsubstantiated and this mystery doc unknown.
AND guess what--abortion was illegal in the phillipines at the time.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/tim-tebow-super-bowl-ad-m_n_442808.html
i am glad to see tha gloria allred, who i usually dismiss as a media whore, is on this one.
"No Field, I don't see where you are going with this. It sounds dark, foreboding and a little myopic to me. Please be specific."
ReplyDeleteSure, I am glad to oblige. It's deceitful to imply that if you have child he/she will grow up to be a star athlete one day. Just as it would to imply that if you don't abort your child he/she will grow up to me a mass murderer.
What if the pro-choice folks featured an ad. with Charles Manson's mama? Or Timothy McVeigh's. "If I had aborted little Timmy or Charles like I wanted to this would never have happened". See where I am going now?
California Girl, I will check out your blog.
[quote]"I'm anti-abortion except in very extreme cicumstances like incest, rape"
ReplyDeleteSo what's the difference? Why should the circumstance surrounding how a woman became pregnant should make it any better or worse? A life is a life, right? You people either need to make up your minds, or come on out and tell the truth about your true motives. It's all about spite and having control. Get over it.[/quote]
La♥Incognita:
Next time a HATE CRIMES MURDER comes up and gets continuing coverage on the Filled Negro Blog - I am going to ASK YOU - how it is any different than the plain ole "Street Pirate" murder that is No Big Deal at this point.
You do agree that THE END RESULT is that a human life has been snuffed out. Right?
it's not a life at less than 12 weeks. sorry, but that's the law of the land....
ReplyDeleteMaria, "it's not a life at less than 12 weeks. sorry, but that's the law of the land...."
ReplyDeleteYes, it is the law, but that doesn't make it right. There used to be a law that counted the 'life' of a black person as 3/5 of a human being. By your thinking, if it is law, it's ok.
During those times, you would be one of those law abiding citizens whose conscience remained unaffected because, "it is the law. sorry"-regardless of how immoral that law was!
You are overreacting to this commercial. Why does it bother you so much? And why should it impede your viewing of the football game? Really ,what is behind your outrage?
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