"CALLER: He's going out the window right in and out of. I've got to go, buddy. I'm sorry but he's coming out the window. 911 Operator: Don't go out the door. Mr. Horn? CALLER: They just stole something. I'm going out the door. I ain't going to let them get away with this. They stole something. They got a bag of cash. I'm doing it. 911 Operator: Mr. Horn, do not go out of the house. CALLER: This ain't right, buddy. 911 Operator: You are going to go outside the house if you go out the house with a gun. Stay in the house. CALLER: They're getting away. 911 Operator: That's all right. Property's not worth killing someone over, okay? CALLER: Damn it. 911 Operator: Don't go out the house, don't be shooting nobody. I know you're frustrated but don't do it. CALLER: They got a bag of loot. 911 Operator: Okay. How big is the bag? They are carrying by hand -- they are walking out? Which way are they going? CALLER: I can't -- I'm going outside. I'll find out. 911 Operator: I don't want you going outside, Mr. Horn. CALLER: Well, here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I'm going. 911 Operator: Don't go outside. CALLER: Don't move, you're dead. (Gunfire)"
That was the 911 transcript from my man Joe Horn's Clint Eastwood moment when he took the lives of two human beings by shooting them in the back. Now Joe is a fucking hero to some of his peeps in Houston (t)exas. "Joe may I have your autograph?"
I know I know, in (t)exas you can use deadly force to defend your neighbor's property. (Although I think the statute is meant for night time incidents only) But when I heard that tape I was convinced that old Joe was going to kill one of those "niggers" he saw burglarizing his neighbors home no matter what. Of course old Joe's attorney said he acted in self defense. Seems when old Joe ran out on his lawn shot gun in hand, one of the burglars turned towards him when he said, "don't move". Yep, that was his cue to let those brown mother fuckers have it. I think Joe felt his life was in danger.
Now I have been watching this case for awhile now, and I can't wait to see if the Harris County grand jury comes back with a criminal indictment against the "nigger" shooter. Hmmm, we are, after all, talking about (t)exas. In fact, I bet ole Joe is a hero to most of his neighbors. Hey, we just can't have these illegals running around breaking into people's homes now can we? "Don't mess with (t)exas." The wages of burglary is death! I even hear that a Houston plain clothes police officer who heard and was answering the 911 call, witnessed the shooting. His ass was lucky he wasn't black, or he would have been shot too. "Mr.. Horn put down that gun, I am a police officer. Yeah right nigger, bang!" But seriously, what the fuck is wrong with these people in (t)exas? Now there are dueling protest and the community has been torn along racial lines because of this bullshit. My question is why? The man shot two people who were robbing another person's house in broad daylight in the back!
Remember that old joke? Where the old southern law man comes upon the body of a black man hanging in a tree with a shotgun blast to the back of his head? And he spits out his chewing tobacco and says: "Damnm, worse case of suicide I done ever seen." That story reminds me of old Joe and his attorney when they say he acted in self defense. If you believe Joe that old Sheriff's assessment of seeing that black man in the tree wasn't so far fetched, and you probably didn't think that joke was funny. If you don't believe Joe, you are probably laughing your ass off.
Pay ATtENsioN:
ReplyDeleteThe end of the pot-gut redneck is near...there may no longer be a fit for them in the game.
"time fer the come-up-n's is here"
00000001.
A law like that actually exists in Texas? Where I'm from it's illegal to even set an automated trap inside your own home when you're not there. Man, must be something in the water down there...
ReplyDeleteField,
ReplyDeleteWe've been sitting on this for a few weeks down here. But with the new information that came out on Friday, it is definitely clear that this is yet another case of summary justice American-style, much like the Taser craze that seems to be going around. Horn didn't know these dudes were Hispanic I'm willing to bet, simply thinking they were Black. I'm still waiting to hear something, anything on this from the Hispanic community. Bubba is out in full effect though.
And for the record I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell they charge ol' Joe with anything more than a misdemeanor, if that.
That is what happens when you give a license to kill to an idiot that will...
ReplyDeleteI don't know how much you may have been following the Nashawn Williams story? Hate crimes in Connecticut? Sadly, it could happen...
Don't rob peoples houses and you won't get shot.
ReplyDeleteYou know the tragedy? Horn believes he did his good deed for the day.
ReplyDeleteI would give my a small slice of my pinky finger to know what he would have done if the burglars had been white instead of black.
He just wanted to kill somebody. Period. I don't care what state you're from, you don't shoot someone who isn't intending to physically harm you.
ReplyDeleteWell I guess Joe will get a pass but if they had have had a dog with them old Joes Ass would be in jail.
ReplyDelete"Well I guess Joe will get a pass but if they had have had a dog with them old Joes Ass would be in jail."
ReplyDeleteLet the church say amen og!
Yes jimbo there is such a law. Maybe one of our (t)exan friends can give us some clarification on it, but I am pretty sure that such a law exists down there.
"Don't rob peoples houses and you won't get shot."
Yes, and I say arrest all tax cheats.
And if you are caught breaking the speed limit, how about a week or two in jail instead of a fine?
old Joe was going to kill one of those "niggers" he saw burglarizing his neighbors home
ReplyDeleteI hate that word. "Nigger."
Maybe it's a generational thing (I'm old school) or maybe it's a cultural thing (I'm a white, gay liberal) but, that word is an angry word and that word has been used to take away people's humanity by the dominant, ruling elites for hundreds of years.
I know, I know, today kids own the word, use it in conversation, use it in song lyrics, etc., and maybe I'm just too old to change with the times.
But man, I hate that word.
FN,
ReplyDeleteI can't even say that I appreciate your post. This is TEXAS. Like he'll be charged. I dunno, FN, I got enough problems worrying about infractions against citizens following the law. This criminal came across the wrong redneck.
Field, I'm surprised at you.
ReplyDeleteHe had the right to defend his own property, not his neighbors.
He had already done what a good neighbor is supposed to do; call the po-po. The 911 operator kept telling him not to go over there and start shooting. If the operator had said, "Hell, gon' over there and blow their asses away" that operator would be unemployed now, and someone would be on the receiving end of a lawsuit.
As it is, this guy's Jack Bauer moment should earn him a dime stretch up in Huntsville, where some dudes named Bubba, LeRoy, Biscuit and Skillet will get in line to make him a prison bitch.
Even in Texas, justice can occasionally be served; just not for Black and Brown people.
The sad thing is, the brown people can't bring a lawsuit because they might be here illegally and that would be a sure route to deportation...
Joe Horn, a hillbilly red-neck was hell bent on killing someone. The maniac even came back to the phone & quoted the law had changed in Texas. The creep wasn't afraid for his life...pure BS. When the operator told him not to go out, he could be killed, his words...wanna bet!
ReplyDeleteThe fat ugly ignorant jerk should be charged with murder for gunning someone down in the back!
At first I was thinking "but Field, the guys were robbing his house and he was pumped up on adrenaline and yea, maybe he is one ugly kinda dull looking white bubba, but I didn't see where he used the "n" word. . . "
ReplyDeleteThen I read that the crime wasn't even in his own house and that it was broad daylight. This guy is a criminal who wanted to blast somebody. It was only a matter of time before he did.
I would like some more information before I decide whether or not it's a racilly motivated killing.
I'm in Houston and think he should go to jail what he did was ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with shooting people breaking into someones home while they are home but this was uncalled for.
Burglary hasn't been an capital offence for at least 150yrs so clearly when it happens in the daylight to a empty home does not pose such a danger that people need to lose their lives.
The idiot should have just let the cops come and do their job LOL now his life is in danger
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5366665.html
Bottomline:
ReplyDeleteBubba was jonesin' to fire his gun.
It's no different than a nation (think the USA) that prepares for war.
You can't prepare for war with budgets, and aircraft carriers, and weapons, and troops, and then, not start one.
Bubba is just a good Murikan. They type the Motherfucker from Midland will pardon if he's convicted.
Regarding the Texas law, per CBS news article:
ReplyDeleteThe incident may prove a test for a new law recently passed in Texas which expands the right of citizens to use deadly force.
Under Texas law, people may use deadly force to protect their own property or to stop arson, burglary, robbery, theft or criminal mischief at night.
But the legislator who authored the "castle doctrine" bill told the Chronicle it was never intended to apply to a neighbor's property, to prompt a "'Law West of the Pecos' mentality or action," said Republican Sen. Jeff Wentworth. "You're supposed to be able to defend your own home, your own family, in your house, your place of business or your motor vehicle." [bold emphasis mine]
The bottom line is that if the men weren't at his home stealing his stuff, they wouldn't have gotten shot. Learn the lesson.
ReplyDeleteField,
ReplyDeleteIn Texas this is completely legal. I lived in Sugar Land,about 20 miles from Houston, for one year (work purposes). Obviously,my local news feed came from Houston so, I heard about many cases like this. I learned a few things living in Texas:
1) You can kill protecting your property or that of your neighbor. If a criminal is trying to leave your property after discovering you are home, people willing give tips on how to drag the person into your home and shoot them anyway. I kid you not.
2) You can kill your wife if you catch her with another man. It is generally called a "heat of passion" crime and the man is slapped on the wrist for it. Yes, there is a law stating it is acceptable to kill your wife "in the heat of the moment".
3) If you are a woman (think Clara Harris) you cannot, under any circumstances use the "heat of passion" defense. It will back fire, you become the "black widow" and your ass ends up going to jail, no matter how accomplished you are.
4) If you are uber wealthy (think Dupont wealthy), you may get by with killing your neighbor FOR NO REASON (I watched a Dupont heir get acquitted for doing just that)and there is no double jeopardy so, you cannot go on trial again.
5) If you are a crazy prozac taking, Christian white bitch (think Andrea Yates), you can kill all 5 of your kids and end up in a mental institution with the possibility of getting out in 15-20 years if some judge choose to let you out.
6) You cannot under any circumstances kill a white person, if you are of the negro persuasion. If you do, look for automatic death penalty. No questions asked.
7) A white person can kill anyone he so chooses. No matter race nor gender. See James Byrd. The D.A. wasn't originally going to ask for death in that case because no white man in Texas history, had ever been put on death row for killing a black person. The reverse happens all the time, though. Look up death row in Texas and you will see nothing but negroes on the row for killing "Mr. Charlie" or "Missy Anne".
All I'm saying is this case is no different from any other bullshit that happens in the Republic of Tex-ASS. Don't be surprised when he gets off....and he will get off.
chris, sorry that word makes you uncomfortable....it makes me uncomfortable too.
ReplyDeleteBut until people stop using it in A-merry-ca, I will always use it to make a point.
Now let's be clear for all you folks who are not familiar with my writing style. I am not saying old Joe used the "N" word. Let's get that straight. I don't want old Joe suing me :)
"The bottom line is that if the men weren't at his home stealing his stuff, they wouldn't have gotten shot. Learn the lesson."
anon 10:21 AM, they were not in Joe's home, they were in his NEIGHBOR"S HOME. Are you even following the story?
I'm from Houston originally and I can tell you that many Houstonians who are Black, White or Hispanic may not agree with Joe actions, but they also have a low tolerance for criminals so they will have little sympathy for the burglarers.
ReplyDeleteTexas has conceal and carry laws and you better know that Whites are not the only ones packing: I have many relatives and friends that own guns and have the "shoot first ask questions later" mentality. Texas is overall a conservative state, but you will find that Blacks and Whites share similar values when it comes to their property.
Let me also point out that I believe Quanell X is a race mongerer and fraud. Any incident that involves a Non-white and a White, you can bet your last dollar Mr. X will drive up in his white Range Rover wearing his thousand dollar suits to get his mug either on KTRK or in the Chron. I'm really tired of this guy.
Lastly FN here's what the Texas Penal Code Title 2, Chapter 9, Section 43 says about the matter. I'd be interested in your legal interpretation based on the what you know thus far.
§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person
is justified in using force or deadly force against another to
protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if,
under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force
or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful
interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or
criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection
of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third
person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he
uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent,
or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.
Now hold it.
ReplyDelete(a) How did Horn know that the bag these guys carried contained cash?
(b) How did some black guys know that this particular house in this white neighborhood had loose cash laying around instead iof in the bank?
There is more to this than meets the eye.
Joe will probably get to be the Marshal in the hometown Christmas Parade...no way on earth will he be charged with anything. It seems to me, in his area, iit's a great idea to claim self-defense when you see someone robbing a NEIGHBOR'S home. It's worse than a shame, it's scary.
ReplyDeleteWay back before the turn of the century, when I became a firearms owner (and something of an enthusiast) I took the NRA Personal Protection class.
ReplyDeleteNow, this was here in O-hi-O, and so the laws in particular may be different.
BUT-- in my class of about 8, there was an attractive young white woman, a middle-aged semi-frumpy white woman, several white guys and me.
In the lecture on the law and the Rules of Engagement, the instructor (an attorney, BTW) pointed out a little factoid that everyone knows but too many hate to admit.
"If you use a firearm, even in self defense, you may expect to be interviewed by the police. You," he said, pointing at the attractive young white girl, "can almost certainly get away with it. You," he said, pointing at the middle-aged white woman, "will probably get away with it. YOU, on the other hand," pointing at me, the dark face in the room, "are gonna go to jail."
"Tell me something I don't know," I replied.
After the titters died down, the instructor took pains to say that he intended no offense, but "you know, that's just the way it is."
Under the ROE I was taught, Redneck Joe would be-- or at least, should be under indictment for murder.
This being A-Merry-Ca, I think we can all agree that won't happen.
Renko
@Michael Fisher
ReplyDeleteThank you! I was going to say, who in the hell keeps a sack o'cash in their house? A bag?? That line right there lets me know that good old Joe was inventing a reason for him to go out there and do some shooting.
Oh, and I found the suicide joke funny too. He.
L
Years ago I was leaving a bar one night and this absolutely smoking hot girl leaned drunkenly into my window and asked me for a ride home. As we were driving she seductively leaned over and started licking my ear. I continued to drive, enjoying the attention when suddenly, ear drum shattering snoring broke my concentration. I pulled over and pushed the girl back onto the passenger seat. Upon doing so her skirt came up a bit so I could see her lacy undies. Immediately I thought about the scene in "Animal House" where the Angel pops up on one shoulder and the Devil on the other. I sat staring at her beautiful body, contemplating my next move. I reached into her purse, found her licsense and drove her to the address on the licsense. I dragged her up the stairs of the home and was greeted at the door by her boyfriend who was pissed. I explained the situation minus the ear licking and the carnal thoughts I had while gazing at her unconsious frame draped across my front seat. He begrudgingly thanked me for helping and I split as fast as I could.
ReplyDeleteThe point of the story: I could have taken advantage of a situation to live out a fantasy , but at what cost?
Joe seized the day and got to live out his fantasy. Unfortunately we know the cost of his fantasy.
Okay, I wasn't going to get personal and all, but:
ReplyDeleteI was born in Texas and lived in Houston until my parents split (age 12).
My dad started a business, helped set up by his cousin. He didn't wait for the business license to open shop. One night, a man tried to rob the joint and came at my father with a knife.
My dad shot him in self-defense. He was charged by the state of Texas with second-degree murder. When he went on trial, the jury was allowed to consider the lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter.
20 witnesses in the establishment confirmed that my father shot the would be assailant in self-defense.
Think he got off? Hell, no; the jury came back with a verdict of guilty of the crime of involuntary manslaughter. Daddy did eighteen months in Hunstville.
Meanwhile, his business went belly up, my mom had had enough, Daddy became an abusive alcoholic and we wound up moving to California.
Why did I share that?
To illustrate just how the justice system in Texas runs and operates. You get justice if you're a white male. You don't get justice if you're one of the following:
Female of any race (see Clara Harris)
African-American (gender not an issue)
Latino
Asian
Native American
Member of the LGBT community.
Now all of us who have been to law school, and those of us who haven't seen the inside of law school, all know that Joe Horn should do some time for shooting those robbers because it was pre-meditated.
When he was on the phone to 911, he had time to cool off and think about what he was going to do. The fact that he told the 911 operator what he was fixin' to do indicates pre-meditation (no heat of passion or self-defense). Self-defense flies if they were breaking into his house not his neighbors.
But because this is the Lone Star state, where "Bubba" rules, this guy's going to walk, instead of being sent to Huntsville for that dime stretch and becoming a prison bitch who would find Jesus after two or three years of being locked up.
I tell you, I have to laugh to keep from screaming or crying up in this here...and everyone of you who said this about Texas - the best thing you can say about Texas is how all of your exes live there.
Oh, the funny part:
ReplyDeleteIn Texas, if you have your business license, you can shoot anyone who tries to harm or rob you. Show that business license and you get to walk.
My father didn't have his business license, and that's why his offense was treated as a major crime by the state of Texas.
Texas (next to Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana) is the only state probably still fighting the civil war, and has been stuck there ever since.
I noticed that people love 'self-defense' shootings, unless the skin color of the person doing the shooting is dark.
ReplyDelete"To illustrate just how the justice system in Texas runs and operates. You get justice if you're a white male. You don't get justice if you're one of the following:
ReplyDeleteFemale of any race (see Clara Harris)
African-American (gender not an issue)
Latino
Asian
Native American
Member of the LGBT community."
PHEW. Looks like I can fuck up in Texas, no problem.
His actions certainly sound premeditated to me. I am not familiar with the TX jurisdiction but as far as I know, you can't shoot at someone like he did unless there was reason to believe they posed a threat to him. Again, TX is fucked up however.
ReplyDeleteCPL-Your dad should have gotten off or not even seen the inside of a court since he was responding to deadly force with the same. Unless he caused the need for deadly self defense he should have been afforded that defense himself. Again, regarding TX-see above.
Niggers? They were latinos.
ReplyDeleteHow is someone going to witness the shooting (presuming you're talking about in person) if they're on the phone, and all they heard was "Move, You're Dead" and two gunshots?
Regardless, I do admire that he came to the defense of his neighbor's home BUT killing them, especially with shots to the back, was a bit much to say the least. I somehow doubt they were running away still carrying whatever they stole.
Texas law is so, so backwards and confusing, and I read up on the laws, and he will get off because technically he was within the bounds of state law.
We Texans love our guns, but the state does not give us carte blanche to use them either. You can only shoot someone when your life is in danger. Even with a break in, until the person is inside your home, you cannot legally use deadly force.
ReplyDeleteI find it hard to believe he won't do some time for this (White man or not) More than likely he will
plea out to a lesser charge (manslaughter, which is a 2nd degree felony here) and serve about 60% of his sentence.
But if you read the statutes, be definition, he committed murder. I can't wait to see this play out
Oh yeah, sudden passion is not law, just a defense. It means the court can take it into account when deciding a sentence. And you better have a good attorney if you use it.
ReplyDeleteField
ReplyDeleteI was going to blog about this. You beat me to it. When I first heard about this, I thought that the dude shot those men as they were breaking into HIS house. If that were the case, then the guy was justified. But his neighbor's house? Give me a fucking break!! He did right by calling the fuzz, but that was murder pure and simple. I know that here in Texas, you can shoot a person if you feel threatened. Like say for instance.... You are at stoplight and an homeless person comes up to your car window. You have the right to shoot that person if you feel like he/she was endangering your life or your property. There was a guy a couple of weeks ago here in Dallas that shot and killed 2 people in 3 days because he felt threatened. No charges were filed. Only in Texas!! When you cross the border into Texas, the first sign you see is "Don't mess with Texas". They literally mean that shit out here!!!
redlistick, I think they call that the "Castle Doctrine" in (t)exas, and it seems to go contrary to the common law doctrine of not using deadly force to protect ones property. They basically extend the right to protect individual property to your neighbors. They have extended self defense to actual property. Interesting.
ReplyDeleteStill, I heard Horn's attorney claim that he is not even invoking the "Castle Doctrine" he is using good old self defense. I really want to see that one fly if he is charged.
"PHEW. Looks like I can fuck up in Texas, no problem."
No chris, you are still a damn Yankee :)
MF, things that make you go Hmmmm.
christ.prog. that's a sad story. if your dad was in Philly he would have walked.
ivan... I loved that story, that shit is deep. But hey, at least your instructor was honest.
woozie, some Latinos are n****s
FYI for Field:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/
news/uk/science/article3022190.ece?Submitted=true
Good ol' James Watson got some negro in him. At most 4 generations ago he had some black introduced into his family. LOL
As far as the Texas case, I do not agree with people acting as judge/jury/exeutior. That is obviously dangerous.
I think they are only filing charges and turning it over to the grand jury due to social pressure from blacks and Hispanics.
Remember these were illegal black Latinos. Houston is about 60% black+Latino, Houston being in Harris County. Pasadena is about 50% Hispanic.
The law (which is new) appears to approve of his actions:
Deadly Force to Protect Property
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"
Protection of the Property of Others
"A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect the property of a third person if he reasonably believes he would be justified to use similar force to protect his own property, and he reasonably believes that there existed an attempt or actual commission of the crime of theft or criminal mischief."
"Also, a person is justified in using force or deadly force if he reasonably believes that the third person has requested his protection of property; or he has a legal duty to protect the property; or the third person whose property he is protecting is his spouse, parent or child."
http://www.self-defender.net/law3.htm
The State of Texas has given any man the right to shoot someone dead if they think that man is involved in hurting someone or stealing from them.
It does not seem to matter if it is premeditated, and it does NOT have to be self defense.
If the person is doing it, you can use deadly force.
The only question is "reasonable".
I'm almost certain, after living in Texas, most people in Harris County (white and otherwise) will find it reasonable.
Guess Texas should just disband the police force.
In Canada you'd be in a world of trouble. Even if the criminal is in your house shooting him will result in your doing some real time in prison. No matter what colour your skin is, or the colour of the criminals skin, your heading to jail. Another slight difference in Canada is that prisons at the moment are not a growth industry here as far as I know.
ReplyDeleteI think the Texan was most likely as many here said looking for an excuse to use his gun. Not to say I have any real sympathy for the criminals, but this was a matter easily handle by the police that were surely on their way.
As the old saying goes...don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
In Canada you'd be in a world of trouble. Even if the criminal is in your house shooting him will result in your doing some real time in prison. No matter what colour your skin is, or the colour of the criminals skin, your heading to jail. Another slight difference in Canada is that prisons at the moment are not a growth industry here as far as I know.
ReplyDeleteI think the Texan was most likely as many here said looking for an excuse to use his gun. Not to say I have any real sympathy for the criminals, but this was a matter easily handle by the police that were surely on their way.
As the old saying goes...don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
You know what man, a few years ago I'd be just as outraged. Now i say hey--young brothers--the message here is stay in school don't go robbing houses. I'd have shot them too.
ReplyDeleteStraight up murder, where I come from (Oregon).
ReplyDeleteBurglary is low-down, and shocking for the victim, but murder to prevent burglary...no way.
Keep the heat on, Field.
Hugh aka Repairman
I'll trade this murdering son of bitch freedom for this decent man's.
ReplyDeleteThe racially charged manslaughter trial of John White promises to become even more combustible as it enters its third week with the defendant and his family set to give their version of the night Daniel Cicciaro Jr. was shot dead at the edge of their Miller Place driveway.
White, 53, is charged with second-degree manslaughter and weapons possession in the Aug. 9, 2006, killing, in which prosecutors say White fatally shot Cicciaro, 17.
Cicciaro and four friends went to the home looking to settle a dispute with White's son Aaron, police say. Although prosecutors say John White acted recklessly when he fired the gun, White's attorneys say the gun went off by accident when Cicciaro grabbed for it. They have also called Cicciaro and his friends a "lynch mob" that barraged the Whites, who are black, with racial slurs.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/crime/ny-limill105494444dec10,0,7928722.story
Wow! Thanks for that story jp.
ReplyDeleteanon.9:21PM, of course he would be in a "world of trouble" in the land of the maple leaf, that's why I love you people up there. Hey, do you want to trade (t)exas for Quebec?
chris, I swear I am sending yo over to BR. :)
"Keep the heat on, Field."
Yes hugh, I like the kitchen!
FN wrote: "They basically extend the right to protect individual property to your neighbors. They have extended self defense to actual property. Interesting."
ReplyDeleteWith my knowledge of the law being scant, it almost as though the new "Castle Doctrine" allows you to become self-deputized on behalf of anyone.
If it matters, I'm black.
ReplyDeleteI'll keep this simple- you know why people going to stores and buying things didn't have to worry about Joe shooting them? Because they were BUYING things- not stealing them.
When these two inidividuals set out to commit a burglary, they should have taken in mind that they were in the wrong at that point. They were killed as a consequence of doing something wrong and there's no way around it. Had they been walking through this neighborhood minding their business, would they have been shot? NO. . .i'm sorry, lol. . .i'm just a realist
-Jerel Ellegood
www.blacksalvage.org
"Had they been walking through this neighborhood minding their business, would they have been shot? NO. . .i'm sorry, lol. . .i'm just a realist"
ReplyDeleteIf they had been walking through this neighborhod IN PASADENA minding their own business would they have been shot? Maybe. I mean...it's Pasadena. I'M being a realist.
I'm sorry, I just don't get why people tend to think just cuz someone committed a crime that they deserve the death penalty.
ReplyDeleteyes, they were wrong that is not the question. The question is if this guy went out there to kill or to stop them or stop them by killing them. To me it seems like he went out there with the intention to kill them. I'm not coming from a place of race. My opinion stops at the place when he says I'm gon kill em... to me that says he's not try'n to hear nothing or even give them a chance.
It's like this man... we either gon allow the law to be the law or we're gon be the law we can't have it both ways.
I'm born and raised in Texas, thank you very much. Yes, we're crazy! Some of us are just plain looney, but I guess that goes across the board... whatever ethnicity...
Theres only one race.
These negro demons needed killing and they were made into good negros. They were bad Demon seed.
ReplyDeleteWhites need to start taking a stand against these Devils spawn.
Joe is a hero. I am going to send him enough money to buy a new pump 12 and a case of 00 Buckshot. Hopefully, he will be able to bag a few more of these type criminals.
Negros are Demons sent by the Devil. Negros are a millstone hung around the neck of the white race.
Negros cost more to maintain than they contribute to a society. Negros destroy everything they touch.
Whites would be better off rid of these parasites.
Here we go with the Texas bashing. When last I checked a certain city up north had private citizens taking to the streets because of a slew of murders of young black men. But anyway, the Joe story is a big one down here. The Houston Chronicle is obsessed with this case and there is an interview of Joe in today's issue.
ReplyDeleteAnother angle in all of this is that the two that were killed were illegal immigrants and that's a whole other can of worms so essentially you have a convergence of the gun rights folks, the suburban property owners, the general law and order Texan (Black , White and Hispanic), and yes, the garden variety racists.
Not helping things is the emergence of “community leader” Quanell X. Quanell's involvement alone is cause for the grand jury to let ole' Joe walk. If they manage to get past the grand jury stage, I can't see a jury in Harris County convicting him. In fact there have been a spate of recent shootings where property owners are shooting buglers and robbers. So there is a ripple “Joe” phenomenon.
Yes, in Texas, you can use deadly force to protect property. For those wanting to do a legal analysis, here is the chapter out of the Penal Code. I believe this has the revision from the latest legislative session http://www.texaspolicecentral.com/2007_-_2008_Penal_Code.pdf. Chapter 9 deals with defense of self and property and the property of others. My interpretation of the statute related to the defense of a neighbor's property is that he would have an EXTREMLY strong leg to stand on IF THIS HAD HAPPENED AT NIGHT (it happened in broad daylight), especially with a sympathetic jury pool. It will be interesting to hear the testimony of the off duty police officer who responded to the call and had to duck because he feared Joe would shoot him too.
If you guys have not seen the video of the Quanell X's protest and counter protest. It is a must see. http://www.blogsofwar.com/2007/12/03/video-quanell-x-and-the-new-black-panther-party-confronted-by-joe-horn-supporters/
You will notice the crowd includes all kinds of white folks. For those of you from the north, take a look at the homes in the background. The particle board four bedroom homes with faux brick veneers can be yours for around $120,000-$150,000 in Pasadena. We don't have an income tax either.
Actually the law in Texas is that you can use deadly force to protect your own property. It does not cover your neighbor's property. As a Texan, I know that Joe was WRONG. He broke the law.
ReplyDeleteThank you g-e-m2001! With all the Texas bashing from people from the "civilized" North, you have to wonder why they have such a major problem with police officers murdering innocent citizens up there. Hell, I'd be scared to show a police officer my ID in New York. I might pull out my wallet and get shot over 40 times. I won't be visiting Cincinatti anytime soon either.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, racism is only rampant in the South, I forgot. Sorry.
People are fed up with this kind of shit. Screw these two morons. You didn't mention anything about their prior records, did you? I salute this guy for having the balls to stand them down. I guess everything would be fine if these guys would have caught the homeowner off guard and beat him to death, right?
ReplyDeleteWho started this ball rolling? Was it Mr. Horn, or the BURGLARS????? It amazes me how people can be so ignorant as to champion the causes of the most vile, worthless refuse that society has to offer.
This is not hard to grasp: if it doesn't belong to you, LEAVE IT ALONE. If these two complete and total idiots would have been AT WORK like the rest of us, they wouldn't be room temperature right now. Kudos to Joe Horn.
Oh, and for the record- I wouldn't care if the "brown people" had been white. Trash, no matter what color it is, still stinks.
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