Sunday, January 13, 2013

"A dark vein of intolerance"?

I never considered General Colin Powell (the man who told us W's lie about WMD's in Iraq and helped W sell his war) to be a racism chaser. Maybe I should ask him to write some guest posts on the blog.

So anyway..... "Former Secretary of State Colin Powell appeared on NBC’s Meet the Press Sunday and had some strong words for his fellow GOP members: 'The Republican party needs to take a very hard look at itself and understand that the country has changed.' Powell criticized the GOP of today for everything from their views on climate change to taxes. Most importantly? The party has a 'dark vein of intolerance' running through it and 'if they don’t change' along with America’s changing demographics, 'they are going to be in trouble.'

Host David Gregory asked Powell why he was still a Republican and he noted that it was the way he was “raised,” but that “the Republican party right now is having an identity problem.

The GOP 'still looks down on minorities,' Powell said. He slammed Sarah Palin‘s “shuck and jive” comments from last year about President Obama and criticized Republican’s use of the word “lazy” to describe the president.
'Why do senior Republican leaders tolerate this kind of discussion within the party?' he asked.

The choice of the next Republican candidate may be less important than what the party actually stands for, Powell added.

'If it’s just going to represent the far right-wing of the political spectrum, I think the party is in difficulty,' he said." [Source]

General, tell David Gregory that you did not leave the republican party; the republican party left you.

This of course will not sit well with the troops. They are already calling him a traitor.

"Anonymous
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, AN ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE. POWELL, LEAVE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. WE DON’T WANT YOU, WE DON’T NEED YOU. WE WILL NOT FORGET THE HERESY YOU SPOKE TODAY."

Calm down wingnut, I am sure that General Powell will be glad to leave your party. Hopefully he learned that folks who look like he does were never welcome there to begin with.   

52 comments:

PilotX said...

The General ruined America, had he run in 2000 frat boy would never have had the chance to fuck up the planet.

Negroponte said...

Colin Powell is a Republican like Juan Williams is a Democrat.

At one time, I supported Gen. Powell for President. Now I realize he is just an affirmative action moron, and a racist to boot.

Motherfuck Colin Powell.

General Latte said...

It sure seems Colin Powell, self-proclaimed "moderate Republican" and two-time Obama voter, has a lot of problems with the GOP.

According to Powell, everything is apparently racist. Referring to a white guy as "lazy" means he's lazy. Referring to a black guy as "lazy" means The N-Word™. Does someone have a diagram of how this works, because I swear I can't keep it straight.

But it sure seems like if you default to "all criticism of Obama is racist" you'll be right 99 times out of 100.

I found the "lazy" example particularly interesting coming from Powell, though. If you'll remember back to the campaign, John Sununu, the target of Powell's anonymous swipe this morning, said the only reason Powell voted for Obama was because he was black. I guess Powell's been carrying that little chip around on his shoulder for a while. (yeah, yeah, chip ... shoulder ... racist!)

Funny, but you know who else said Colin Powell voted for Obama because he was black? Colin effing Powell, that's who:

"... And at the end, I cannot say I was totally colorblind. ...

The funniest part of the whole thing to me though, was Powell's complaint about the birthers being allowed to voice their opinions and his desire that the GOP shut them up. If they had that power, I'd much rather they apply it to "Republicans" who only get invited to the Sunday shows to trash the party.

Wesley R said...

Field,

The Wingnuts will go crazy tomorrow on Foxnews and Right Wingnut Radio over Powell's comments but he was on point. The crazy folks, several who post here are still living in the past and will never learn. Let them keep talking their bullshit. We need to keep everyone else engaged and get out the vote. If the vote comes out each election, they are done. Even the Dope Fiend Limballs said they (Republicans) are outnumbered.

Chuck said...

Colon Powell is a pretentious fucking fraud and always has been. Had he claimed to be the democrat he is, no one would give a cold wet shit what he had to say about anything. Being a dick smoking fraud, he understood this, so he claimed to be a republican. But, I guess the rules are different when you're main asset is being brownish.

Integrity is for those other people.

NSangoma said...

~

When Colin Powell gave the keynote address at the Republican National Convention in 1996, I knew he was not worth a sh[feces]it.

He stated that Providence gave us this country.

The AmerIndians were robbed and killed; Providence did not give us sh[feces]it!!

`

sharon in ct said...

But the Republican Party wasn't always like this. I'm old enough to remember Edward Brooke (R), senator from Massachusetts, and at one time in the not so distant past, Gen. Powell was welcomed as well. It is, as you wrote, the GOP that has moved away--far far away--from Powell, not the other way around.

Bagdhad Bob said...

"the man who told us W's lie about WMD's in Iraq"

What lie? Bush said that the consensus opinion of all Western Intelligence agencies, including of course the CIA, was that Saddam still possesed the WMD he was obligated by treaty to destroy. This was a completely true statement.

Did Obama lie when he said that the opinion of the CIA prior to the Benghazi attack was that security was adequate? If that's what the CIA told him, then no. The fact that opinion turned out to be wrong does mean Obama lied.

Did Obama lie when he told Americans that the Benghazi attack was a spontaneous riot over a YouTube video and not a coordinated terrorist attack? Why yes, that was a lie. Not only that, he sent Susan Rice out to repeat this lie, effectively destroying her political career (and saving Hillary's).

Anonymous said...

Field, I thought you wanted to reach out more to the GOP? well, no Republican is going to reach back with a post like this. What the hell is wrong with you?

I mean, how in the world are we going to come together with you acting like an insubordinate ass? Have you forgotten where we came from?

SickupandFed said...

Wow! Negro is or has become unhinged. It really is a damn shame that being honest is such an unwanted and unappreciated attribute in the g-no-p.

I have come to the conclusion that the g-no-p is determined to be the party of deluded white guys longing for days long gone. Get over it and die already.

IYam said...

Education, immigration and climate change policy? Are there cue cards that get held up in front of every Sunday show-appearing "moderate Republican", because that's what all these guys say. And I'm sure it's racist to point that out.

Looks like Powell is keepin it real. Everything is apparently racist. If you say a White guy is "lazy" that means he's lazy. If you say a Black guy is "lazy" it means you are calling him the N word.

Field, can I borrow your secret decoder dog whistle race baiting ring? It's hard to keep up with this "sign language" I can't keep it straight.

Bu we do know that any criticism of Obama is automatically racist, unless it comes from a White democrat - even if it is really racist. I get that now.

Interesting that you picked the picture of the Sununu for the post about Black people sticking together and voting Black, something tugged at my memories - now where did I hear that before? I know Sununu said it....but where else have I heard this?

Oh yeah Colin Powell - he said he voted for Obama "because he is Black"

"At the end I cannot say I was colorblind" -Colin Powell

Isn't' that rich?

Oh and Powell was made very welcome and was quite successful in the party; It's Black people like you who hated him and excoriated him because he dared be different than a black man must be - A Democrat (yet you also claim to hate stereotypes - how ironic) and called him every name under the Sun from Tom to Slave Catcher because he was a successful Republican. Does the secret decoder ring register that as racist?

Are you trying to infer there is something wrong with conservatives noting his hypocrisy being upset with someone Black who succeeded in the party now calling them secret racists, while he admits HE has become racist and votes for someones skin color? A person you previously clearly despised because he wasn't aligned with the party you think his skin color mandates..... are you?

I get it, nice joke. Great post. You almost had me with the sarcastic irony/hypocrisy, triple nelson reverse double logic forget thy own thoughts and actions double standards.

Good Job.

Have you ever considered writing fiction? Lots of money in it I hear. People like to be taken away and look for an author who can spin a tale from the fantasies of his mind and make a believable fabricated world that almost makes you feel it is real, almost.

field negro said...
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field negro said...

"Field, I thought you wanted to reach out more to the GOP? well, no Republican is going to reach back with a post like this. What the hell is wrong with you?"

Sorry. :(


Can u help me as i try to reach out?

The Purple Cow said...

Quote IYam

"Are you trying to infer there is something wrong with conservatives noting his hypocrisy being upset with someone Black who succeeded in the party now calling them secret racists, while he admits HE has become racist and votes for someones skin color?"

No, but it is possible might be trying to imply that.

You are inferring that Field was implying.

What is with you far-Right types and correct English usage?

Lt. Commander Johnson said...

Speaking of "climate change"....notice how the phrase "global warming" quietly disappeared from the vocabulary of the Green Nuts. Looks like "climate change" might be next:

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20130111/new-york-times-dismantles-environmental-desk-journalism-fracking-climate-change-science-global-warming-economy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259942/The-crazy-climate-change-obsession-thats-Met-Office-menace.html

LOL

StillaPanther2 said...

Brother Colin Powell was a real role model for the minority soldiers in the war. His leadership, along with other minority officers, motivated us to carry on in such a difficult times.You must remember that many minority soldiers were not in the war under the banner of patriotism....(as well as white ones also). We banded together for survival. Today's soldiers are able to speak against their leadership without impunity...I(I) think this is due to waging wars against forces that have not a chance of winning on the selected battlefields and the heroic tag is put on them JUST by joining. In other words...they feel like they can question the minds leaders that have attained the highest rank in-- a field that one must be able to see and understand group behavior and mentality. Plus the fact that the commander is chief is a non combattant. I wonder how I/we would feel if the next commander would be a Muslim or an Arab?

Admiral C. Powell said...

Lt Cmdr Johnson!! Semen Wayne says he feels the need to install a periscope in Steve's dinghy. Does Maritime Law allow that?

Frustrated Negro said...

STEPHEN!!!

Who in the hell gives a rats tail about what Colin Powell has to say...???

The man allowed himself to be used like a hooker for the Bush Administration....

Now... You want to pull out his comments about his former party affiliation as if that matters...

The man made it possible for us to waste trillions of dollars on weapons that didnt even exist...


Who gives a crap what this LIAR has to say about a LOSER party....

Field Obama won the election why do you continue to focus on the GOP??

STEPHEN ...STOP pretending that the GOp is preventing Obama from making any progress..

That meme is getting quite old and tiresome.....

uptown steve said...

Colin Powell is a man of character. He had his fling with the GOP and learned what any principled man of color would learn when dealing with racists. They will only accept you if you bend over and let them kick you in the ass. And of course thank them afterwards for showing you some attention. So as the GOP lurches into irrelevance and continues to prop up self-hating coons like Tim Scott as proof of their diversity, The Democratic party will continue to steamroll them in national elections for the next quarter century.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous SickupandFed said...

Wow! Negro is or has become unhinged. It really is a damn shame that being honest is such an unwanted and unappreciated attribute in the g-no-p.

I have come to the conclusion that the g-no-p is determined to be the party of deluded white guys longing for days long gone. Get over it and die already.

Stop being lazy.

Anonymous said...

The Purple Cow said...

Quote IYam

"Are you trying to infer there is something wrong with conservatives noting his hypocrisy being upset with someone Black who succeeded in the party now calling them secret racists, while he admits HE has become racist and votes for someones skin color?"

No, but it is possible might be trying to imply that.

You are inferring that Field was implying.

What is with you far-Right types and correct English usage?

Wrong.

Imply is something not explicitly stated they did explicitly state they were outraged.

What is it with you low brow f#uckers trying to best your betters?

in·fer
/inˈfər/
Verb
Deduce or conclude (information) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.

Imply
Verb
Strongly suggest the truth or existence of (something not expressly stated)

Philip said...

Everything with liberalism comes down to this: If you disagree with anything I say, it's racist.

You people are insane.

Future historians will see you as the witch burners you are.

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Lt. Commander Johnson

“Speaking of "climate change"....notice how the phrase "global warming" quietly disappeared from the vocabulary of the Green Nuts.”

It hasn’t.

“Looks like "climate change" might be next:”

It won’t be.

Here’s a point-by-point evisceration of the lies in that insane Daily Mail piece you posted.

http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2013/01/10/addressing-the-daily-mail-and-james-delingpoles-crazy-climate-change-obsession-article/

Feel stooopid yet? Is there no lie, no matter how stupid, no matter how easily disproved, that brainless cunts like you won’t clasp to their breasts with glee?

uptown steve said...

Philip

For the most part rightwingers are racist and insane.

And soon to be politically irrelevant.

buh-bye.

Lt. Commander Johnson said...

"Admiral C. Powell said...
Lt Cmdr Johnson!! Semen Wayne says he feels the need to install a periscope in Steve's dinghy. Does Maritime Law allow that?

10:07 AM"


Admiral Powell, I think you mean Semen Steve...but the answer to your question is: yes.

That's what is known as a Naval Colonoscopy.

ironhead said...

"Feel stooopid yet? Is there no lie, no matter how stupid, no matter how easily disproved, that brainless cunts like you won’t clasp to their breasts with glee?"

So says the witless cunt who swallows every liberal fantasy without question or the merest understanding and who spends his days defending his ignorance with malice and spite.

The only consolation is that someone who projects such misery for so long is eventually consumed by it. You are dead meat, cow.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Pillow Cow, go clean the spam at your blog. I just looked at that's all you got.

Anonymous said...

It seems that Pillow Cow is quite the misogynist.

Pillow, does your mother know that you use that word as an insult?

Anonymous said...



Feel stooopid yet? Is there no lie, no matter how stupid, no matter how easily disproved, that brainless cunts like you won’t clasp to their breasts with glee?


How can anyone feel stupid talking to someone like you? I bet your sheep chuckles at your stupidity when you finish and zip up.

You aren't even good enough to be called a cunt, you are less than a spooge filled used up old twat sissy boy.

Believe lies you say? Lies? Such as Romney was lying when he said Chrysler Jeep was going to start building in China and ObamaTwats said Romney was a Liar?

14 days after the new year and they are going to build jeeps in China and Russia. What a dumb twat you are.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130114/AUTO04/301140373/Chrysler-build-Jeeps-China?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Oh and climate change/global warming is all a scam. Only an asswipe like you would post an article that is speaking about semantics and nothing about all of the fraud that has been exposed by the extreme freaks who push climate change/globull warming.

The earth is actually cooling

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/05/31/sorry-global-warming-alarmists-the-earth-is-cooling/

To put it into simple terms so a dumb twat with limited intelligence can grasp.

If globull warming were real, there wouldn't have been so many instances of fraud/data manipulation and deletion to hide the truth. It would speak for itself. It doesn't. Just another crazy conspiracy theory you feel good do nothing vicious extreme leftists came up with to try and control someone else.

It is a UN hoax.


Recently, Russian hackers published over 160mb of scientific emails and source code taken from the primary 'climate research unit' -- the University of East Anglia, which is the center of UN/IPCC-promoted global warming alarmism. What the emails and data prove is shocking, and may represent the greatest scandal in the history of science.



In the emails, these UN-funded scientists talk about deleting data under FOIA request, faking data for journals such as Nature, conspiring to keep opposing science out of peer-reviewed journals (which they controlled the editorial boards), using "tricks" to "hide the [cooling period]" etc.


Dr.Nǚwáng said...

It just amazes me that these right wing treasonous a$$holes would rather destroy the US than compromise with a Black man.

Absolutely amazing!

uptown steve said...

Let this Colin Powell episode be a lesson to all you black conservatives out there. As soon as you step out of line, you become just another nigger to the rightwingers. This rant is from the "Human Events" website.."He knows he got where he is because of his race. That is the chip on his shoulder. Powell was a mediocre commander at best, but he fit the mold needed for affirmative action." Ain't THAT a bitch. At one time the righties swore they would vote for Powell for President in a second, now he's just another AA negro.

Anonymous said...

Blogger uptown steve said...

Philip

For the most part rightwingers are racist and insane.

And soon to be politically irrelevant.

buh-bye.

Good to see you havne't improved your thinking ability in your abscence. You still haven't learned a thing and do nothing but post repeated lines from your masters. It's funny to see a coon racist calling others racist and coons.

Boy will you be surprised when everything they tell you turns out not to be true as is already happening. And no matter how much you project- it isn't someone elses fault you were born who you were and turned out to be the flappy lipped empty headed negro that you are.

You made it, you live it, you own it. Live with it, no one else has to.

Philip said...

uptown stephen said...
For the most part rightwingers are racist and insane.
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What wing does someone as racist and stupid as you inhabit?

Irrelevance is a matter of perspective. In the long run, an ideology such as modern liberalism that is built on resentment, ignorance and racial hatred is untenable. It either falls apart after being unmasked, or if successful, consumes itself after there is nothing left to hate.

The Purple Cow said...

"Hey, Pillow Cow, go clean the spam at your blog. I just looked at that's all you got."

There's no spam on my blog, matey, none at all. I just posted an excellent and informative piece on new statistical systems for determining the most advantageous batting order in Twenty20 games. You should read it, it's fascinating.

Did you know that in an eleven man team there are 40 million possible batting orders?

40 million! Amazing hey?

Anonymous said...

NSANGOMA "The AmerIndians were robbed and killed; Providence did not give us sh[feces]it!!"

How do you know what God does or how HE thinks? Let me give you a hint: "God does not think like you do."

Hence, you cannot begin to know what God gives us or not.

I am sick and tired, and fed up with sick FN Negroes like Field and you speaking, judging as if you are God. EVERYTHING is the way it should be and YOU Negroes need to get used to it.

For instance, we ended up in America because some black-ass Negroes sold their black brothers to white-ass Europeans.

The reason we are in last place today is because we lack education, not interested in education, kill each other, have babies at too young an age, lack parenting skills, whine a lot and obviously have no political clout, esp when we vote for a President who won't EVEN recognize our existence.

God gave us all brains, body and the power to determine our destiny. Blacks have yet to determine what that is. You can tell by the posts on FN that we don't have a clue to where we are going because we spend our time looking and criticizing everyone else. It's sickening.

Get real and face reality, FN!

Anonymous said...

I mean this blog, Herr Pillow Cow: yourownpersonaljihad.blogspot.de

Which has this post by you: http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6409107359997097414&postID=10299334757564951

Which has 7 consecutive spam comments, plus an 8th by some military fellow named Leftenant Commander something.

An older post notes the misleading 'Y' axis on a graph, on which you are correct.

Anonymous said...

uptown steve said...

Let this Colin Powell episode be a lesson to all you black conservatives out there. As soon as you step out of line, you become just another nigger to the rightwingers. This rant is from the "Human Events" website.."He knows he got where he is because of his race. That is the chip on his shoulder. Powell was a mediocre commander at best, but he fit the mold needed for affirmative action." Ain't THAT a bitch. At one time the righties swore they would vote for Powell for President in a second, now he's just another AA negro.


like u didnt call Powell a coon and a Tom

now he good cause he went racist

you wont be just another one later you never change

Anonymous said...

Blogger Dr.Nǚwáng said...

It just amazes me that these right wing treasonous a$$holes would rather destroy the US than compromise with a Black man.

Absolutely amazing!

They will save the US Compromise in Black language is u dont give me everything you racist. What is Dingle Barry offering? He is offering to borrow and spend more AND raise taxes again.

All said while he claims the GOP is catering to companies while he the lying sack of shit was the one who just passed a 4.6 trillion dollar corporate crony spending bill call it a tax increase on the rich and knows that dumbasses who only think with their sense of color will be too stupid to understand economics. And he is right.

uptown steve said...

Sorry Assnon,

I NEVER called Colin Powell either a coon or a Tom. I always felt that he was a misguided idealist who felt that by his example of character and excellence he could convince a certain percentage of blacks that they had an alternative with the GOP. He learned the hard way that the only kind of blacks the GOP can stomach are self-hating buckdancing porch minstrels.

Dr. Patriot said...

Ms.Notháng said...
It just amazes me that these right wing treasonous a$$holes would rather destroy the US than compromise with a Black man.
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Compromising with someone who is intentionally destroying the country would be treason. In this case, dissent is the highest form of patriotism.

The fact that he is black does not mean he should be allowed to pursue ruinous policies without any opposition.

Just like the fact that you are black does not mean you should be entrusted with something as important as a medical license.

You will never be a doctor.

Anonymous said...

I remember Powell in 2008 giving an interview in which he said that he was a big fan of Affirmative Action and that he'd never have gotten to where he did career-wise except for Affirmative Action. That says it all. Just another ungrateful black racist, probably steaming about how he would have gotten even higher-richer-farther except for dem raciss Whiteys. Like Wayne and company.

Captain Climate said...

Semen Steve says: "I NEVER called Colin Powell either a coon or a Tom"

Nobody believes you, Steve,

Django Unbrained said...

uptown stepheh said...
Sorry Assnon,

I NEVER called Colin Powell either a coon or a Tom. I always felt that he was a misguided idealist who felt that by his example of character and excellence he could convince a certain percentage of blacks that they had an alternative with the GOP. He learned the hard way that the only kind of blacks the GOP can stomach are self-hating buckdancing porch minstrels
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LIAR.

You specifically called Powell a "Republicoon".

You call every black person who strays off the plantation an Uncle Tom. You are nothing but a slavecatcher. A poor, dumb, motherfucking slavecatcher.

1%'r said...

"Hopefully he learned that folks who look like he does were never welcome there to begin with."

The republicans have lead every action for freedom and liberty for minorities. You are either blind from racism or simply willfully ignorant. Good luck.

1%'r said...

Please look at historic facts people.
http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/
Good luck to you all.

The Purple Cow said...

"I mean this blog, Herr Pillow Cow"

Yeah I know, but it's a dead blog, I don't use that one any more. I have five others. Two about cricket, one about football (soccer in your language), one about advertising, and one about politics.

**

IYam, re-read what you just posted. You have proven me correct for the second time. Sorry if this is difficult for you.

Anonymous said...

Colin is four years late on his commentary. He should have said this when it would have made a difference. (shrug)

Anonymous said...

Bagdhad Bob asked ... What lie? Bush said that the consensus opinion of all Western Intelligence agencies, including of course the CIA, was that Saddam still possesed the WMD he was obligated by treaty to destroy. This was a completely true statement.

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No, it wasn't true. Joe Wilson returned from Niger and reported that Sadam had not purchased the yellow-jacket uranium before Colin went before the UN. Wilson wrote an NYT editorial, Cheney outted his wife, and the rest is history.

Bagdhad Bob said...

"Joe Wilson returned from Niger and reported that Sadam had not purchased the yellow-jacket uranium before Colin went before the UN. Wilson wrote an NYT editorial,"

Wilson lied, as was definitively proved by Christopher Hitchens. Wilson had claimed to have seen documents that were not produced until after his visit to Niger.

And the point was, Wilson's sabotage aside, all Western intelligence agencies believed Saddam maintained WMD.

Bush was an idiot, but he never lied about WMD.

White Foreman said...

Purple Cow said, "Did you know that in an eleven man team there are 40 million possible batting orders?"

Okay, I actually checked that out and you are quite right. 40 million permutations - yep, I wouldn't have figured anywhere near that many. Imagine putting them all down on paper.

http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/combinations-permutations.aspx

Also, anybody choosing to write what you have at the top of your blog about the goal of the struggle... well, that's very well said and it proves that you can't be all bad. Tell you what: I apologize for calling you that 'pillow-biter' thing. Sorry. You seem to be the only black racist here with some class. You are wrong about global warming, though :)

Besides all the many problems with 'environmentalists', the biggest one remains in the refusal to criticize the tremendous hypocrisy of poster boy Al Gore.

[Edit: I just saw your reply... no I'm not IYam whoever that is, no I don't get what you mean about 'difficult', I am an honest person always --- but what you say seems smartass to me... -- so back to the trenches, eh mate? :) too bad ]

Anyway let e know if you read this. Wayne is glued to his boob tube all night watching others play sports. Frig it all.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bagdhad Bob asked ... What lie? Bush said that the consensus opinion of all Western Intelligence agencies, including of course the CIA, was that Saddam still possesed the WMD he was obligated by treaty to destroy. This was a completely true statement.

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No, it wasn't true. Joe Wilson returned from Niger and reported that Sadam had not purchased the yellow-jacket uranium before Colin went before the UN. Wilson wrote an NYT editorial, Cheney outted his wife, and the rest is history.

7:17 PM

Whats in Syria? (Besides guns that Barack ran through Benghazi) where did Syria get those chemical weapons? Why were there so many flights between Iraq/Syria when the weapons were known by the CIA to be shuttle to Syria before the UN Inspection.

Nuts.

PilotX said...

Wonder if Mikey Steele learned his lesson when he wasn't even invited to the gop convention.