Thursday, December 05, 2013

What the passing of an icon can teach us about our own country.

I am watching young people both black and white on television as they gather in front of the home of Nelson Mandela to celebrate the life of a man who was a global icon and a national hero.

The images are reveting and beautiful. Young people who weren't around when the brutal regime that ruled their country kept black people as second class citizens, now they are celebrating the life of a man who led their country through a peaceful transition towards democracy and change.

Mandela was the "moral center" of South Africa, and now that he is gone we can only hope that the country will hold it together. Given the youth of the nation's population, I am guessing that the country of South Africa will be fine, and it will continue on its current path. But it won't be easy. There is still a lot of apartheid hangover lingering there.

A friend of mine moved there a few years back to start a business, and he was amazed at the lack of incentive to work by the black South Africans who came up through Apartheid. "You had to drill it into them that they had a stake in the business. They were so used to working without any hope of advancement that it became ingrained in their way of thinking and it reflected in their work. It was very frustrating."

The similarities with our own country and South Africa are undeniable. We had our own state sanctioned ways of keeping us unequal as well, and it took a movement to bring about change. Many black Americans still do not believe that they have a real stake in this country or that they have an equal chance of succeeding.

We Americans, of course, have no icons to act as our "moral center'; we don't believe that we need one. We have the Bill Of Rights, those powerful first ten amendments of our Constitution is all that we need. This, of course, is what we tell ourselves.

Unlike the case with South Africa, we explain, our state sanctioned oppression was a very long time ago. We don't want to learn any lessons from Mandela, there is no need for any truth and reconciliation commissions, because we have come so far, and the moral stain on our country was so long ago.

But as we celebrate the life and times of Nelson Mandela, let's not forget the fact that he went into prison as a terrorist, and the ANC was demonized by the right in this country and across the world. (I see you Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher.)

The right has never apologized for their support of the apartheid regime in South Africa, and I suppose that makes sense. Why should the white minority with all that power and wealth cede it to a poor black majority with left leaning political views? The republican party of today greatly resembles the National Party of South Africa from 1948. Same goals.

Still, I keep going back to those images in front of Mandela's home. The people there are all so young and so happy. They seem full of optimism and hope for their country's future. This gives me hope. Because their behavior and the makeup of the people there is antithetical to that of the modern day conservative in this country.

“If you want to make peace with your enemy, you have to work with your enemy. Then he becomes your partner.”

Rest in peace President Mandela, you were a good man.

But sadly, here in America, enemies will never become partners.









95 comments:

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

Bravo Field, GREAT post!

Anonymous said...

Mr Field, you surprise me with this post. It has some truth to it, and I am grateful for that. But must you always make everything right-wing and left-wing? Don't you ever get tired of playing Black and White American politics?

Anonymous said...

Of course he does, he's and agitator and a whiner.

RIP Nelson Mandela.

Anonymous said...

Once again, Field doesn't disappoint. Had to mosey over here and see how you were going to distort the legacy of a communist, terrorist and thug.

Because genocide and necklacing are "peaceful". Sure.

Genocide watch places South Africa at 6 - 7.

Thank G-d Mandela is dead. And hope he takes his little witch Winnie with him soon, too.

Signed,
"The Truth Hurts"

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

Damm "Truth Hurts" you didnt have to do em like that...

People remember all aspects of the mans legacy ....

Dr Kahlid Muhamed delivered a fiery speech where he claimed Mnadela was soft,and Never should allowed his former oppressors a seat at negotiating table after Apartheid was over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MmqmwUxXNTY#t=372

Every body always just remembers the flowery feel good stuff that they see on T.V.

Anonymous said...

The Truth is a POS troll.....another racist who never mentions the violence that the Apartheid State engendered, only the violence the ANC did, at the end of the day if you want to compare horrible atrocity to horrible atrocity, the
Apartheid state wins hands down, but that isn't storyline one reads on StormFront is it buddy?

Madiba saved a nation from a retributive civil war post election, never forget that.

I grew up in the system and it's a shame there are still many ignorant people ready to defend an inhuman system because they live a fearful life. Fearful of those that don't look like them.

Thanks for the post FN.

Cheers, gaz

Anonymous said...

Hey "Truth Hurts" guy, necklacing is OK as long as Blacks are doing it.

Anonymous said...

BIB, "Every body always just remembers the flowery feel good stuff that they see on T.V."

The world only remembers what it wants to remember. Mandela lucked out because the world wants to remember him as an icon, a hero, a God.

All the feel good comes into play when lie after lie is covered up to make folks feel really good. Nobody cares about the truth anymore. They just want to feel good. The world, esp America, only wants to feel good...damn the truth.

Obamacare will save America and everybody will have health insurance at an "affordable price".

How does that feel? Feel good?

Anonymous said...

@ BlackisBeautiful @ 9:17

I have found that people tend to gravitate to the version of history that best fits their personally held biases.

That being said, I did have the opportunity to hear Bishop Tutu speak in Toronto many many years ago. It was a profoundly moving experience, and you felt not only a sense of calm and grace from the man, but a man of true integrity who spoke against ALL injustice without venom or vitriol.

I have the deepest, most profound respect for activists and leaders like Tutu. Mandela and his fellow travellers .... not so much.

Truth Hurts

Anonymous said...

hmmmm. wonder why Bill is so quiet? I would have thought he would have shined some light in the dark places about Mandela.

Maybe Mandela is 'squeaky' clean?

And poor PC. He can't even call Mandela by his name.

Wesley R said...

Ronald Reagan stood on the side of The South African Government and their brutal ways until The American People protested.

R.I.P to a true historical icon.

Anonymous said...

Yes, yes. Bishop Tutu is a man of great integrity. He is a man you can trust. He is my hero. Thank you for mentioning him, Truth Hurts.

Anonymous said...

fyi, the single word the world sees Mandela as is LOVE.

BIB, Truth Hurts, how do you explain the "truth" about what Mandela stands for IN THE WORLD?

Black Sage said...

Nelson Mandela, an avant-garde, a warrior, a virtuous man who stood stoically while confronting F.W. de Klerk and that entire devilry system of apartheid and never relented an inch. RIP Mandela!

Anonymous said...

Gaz,

There have been atrocities of human against human since the beginning of time. The black community - whether in the US, the West Indies or South Africa - were never the only ones to feel the pain of subjugation, oppression, subjective hate or tyranny.

My DH loved his work in the military over several decades doing humanitarian outreach all over the globe ... before there can be the establishment of vital social services, basic security must be established. That is a fact for all societies, everywhere.

But he also deployed to places that can only be described as "Hell on Earth", where humans of all ethnicities and religions did the most indescribable atrocities to each other, to the point where the bodies were stacked up so high, they used a bulldozer to clear them into mass graves.

Canada's General D'Allaire, evil white man that he is, had a complete mental breakdown on a bench in a park in downtown Montreal in the fallout of overseeing the butchery of Rwanda, after repeatedly warning the UN and the US that it was coming and asking for help.... (which was ignored/denied).

I don't deny or try to diminish the pain and injustice that you may have experienced, but I do resent the implication that your "group" was the only one in the course of human history to ever feel such pain or injustice.

With respect,

Truth Hurts.



Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 10:07

The communist acolytes love Mandela.
That includes the corrupt and morally bankrupt US media.

The rest of the normal, freedom loving world?

Not so much. They see the Truth of the whole man, not just the scripted Legend.

Truth

Anonymous said...

Just finished an excellent book that every FN Negro should read for his/her own benefit. You will learn a lot:

The book is called "GOOD TIDINGS AND GREAT JOY" by Sarah Palin. It will hit the NYT best seller list. Mark my words.

Winnie said...

"There is still a lot of apartheid hangover lingering there."

What do you mean "apartheid hangover"? Blacks have been in complete control for 20 years.

Anonymous said...

Truth Hurts, you are killing Field's post.

Timothy said...

Puke Ass teabaggers will never amount to anything. Glad you showed up tonite. You never disappoint.Always talking your talk and show your true sprit...HATE..HATE..HATE!! Why do you even bother come to this site??

Van Dingo said...

"But as we celebrate the life and times of Nelson Mandela, let's not forget the fact that he went into prison as a terrorist, and the ANC was demonized by the right in this country and across the world"

He was a terrorist. The fact that he ended his life as a good man mitigates that, but he was a leader in the ANC and the ANC was rightly demonized by right thinking people.

Anonymous said...

Rick Santorum has a movie out for the Xmas Holidays that Blah people should go see. Please go see it.

Sarah Palin wrote a book that Blah people should read. Please read it.

With so many Republicans trying to reach so many DIVERSE people, I am prone to believe they are rebranding their BIG TENT. As a bm, this is very encouraging.

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Dr.Nǚwáng said...
One man's terrorists is another man's freedom fighter.

10:35 PM
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Hogwash! you will never be a doctor. And please educate yourself by reading Sarah Palins new book "Good Tidings and Great Joy". Check out Santorums Xmas movie while your at it.

Django Unbrained said...

"The right has never apologized for their support of the apartheid regime in South Africa,"

What is there to apologize for? Blacks in South Africa under Apartheid had the highest standard of living of any black population in Africa.

When Apartheid ended, they inherited the richest country in Sub-Saharan Africa..

Mandela was gracious in his ascension, and was smart enough to know that South Africa needed its white population in order to function as a modern economy.

In the 20 years the ANC has run things, the country's prosperity and order have slowly begun to erode. Now that Mandela is dead, the murder and looting of the remaining whites will accelerate, an soon the country will look like Zimbabwe (or Detroit).

Some day in the not too distant future, the South Africans will think back fondly to the days of Apartheid and wish they hadn't listened to starry-eyed Marxists like Mandela.

And so it goes.

Anonymous said...

"Some day in the not too distant future, the South Africans will think back fondly to the days of Apartheid and wish they hadn't listened to starry-eyed Marxists like Mandela."

I agree. In a strange way, I bet a lot of my peeps today look back to the days of Jim Crow and maybe even slavery as the good old days.

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

@10:40, you want ME to educate myself when you don't know when to use your and you're?

What a f@*king idiot!!!

Anonymous said...

From previous thread:

Blogger Dr.Nǚwáng said...
"Wassa madder" assnon, you mad because your life centers around my existance?

Just before I posted this comment, I was annotating part of the genomic sequence of the tumor of a cancer patient I saw in the clinic earlier today, what were you doing? Picking your nose? "Reading" from a picture book? Coloring in your Spidey coloring book?

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I was reviewing your job performance in your pathetic white coat lab job. Once again for the third straight year, you will not get a raise. In fact, you are on probation, fat-so.

Anonymous said...

Black Sage said:
Nelson Mandela, an avant-garde, a warrior, a virtuous man who stood stoically while confronting F.W. de Klerk and that entire devilry system of apartheid and never relented an inch. RIP Mandela!
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Please ask your doctor to adjust your meds. Clearly you remain delusional. I would advise stepping up the titration slowly, otherwise, the literature cites that the migraine-like headache is a b*sh. ;-)

Mandela did not "confront" KW. deKlerk was instrumental in brokering the agreement, and they jointly were awarded the peace prize. KW was also awarded other acolades.

It is rather sad that you are so brainwashed and indoctrinated that you fail to realize that non-martial change requires concession and movement on the part of all parties.

You are Exhibit "A" of why race-panderers who can only ascend to power by using division and resentment rather than empathy are so successful.

We all lose in such a scenario.

Thanks for being a key member of the losing team. /s/

Truth

field negro said...

I see BLACKISCLUELESS siding with his wingnut friend .

Jig on my brother.

27 years in prison fighting for a cause u believe in gets u cred in my book.

Anyway, no need to address the troll called "truth hurts". His IQ and teeth count are in the single digits.

A book? Go figure. I didn't even know that Sarah Palin could write.

Anonymous said...

Field, "A book? Go figure. I didn't even know that Sarah Palin could write."

Brother Field, I hate to admit it but your ignorance about Sarah Palin is astonishing. Btw, how many books have YOU written? Just what I thought...and you have the nerve to talk about Palin? GTFOH. YOU can't hold a candle to Sarah.



Field, "I see BLACKISCLUELESS siding with his wingnut friend .

Jig on my brother."

Everyone knows BIB doesn't jig for anyone. But we all know you want him to jig for you and your party. Keep trying. Maybe BIB is about to surrender?

Anonymous said...

Mr Field, please include Palin's new book in your side bar and next post. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 10:55

Please don't spoil our fun. "Fly", "Dr. Queen" and now "NuWang" is a never ending source of great guffaws.

As a bonafide geneticist who started back in the day when the "Western Blot" was a huuuuuge deal (just to give you an idea of how old I am), it never ceases to give me big time belly laughs to read her drivel, which she persists in, even though she is well aware that no one is buying what she is selling.

Let's walk down memory lane. First she posted she was married to a Navy Seal who was going to kick some one's ass, then it became a Marine..... and on and on and on.

She can keep on with her self-affirmation posts all she wants, but the Truth is that no one, even if she was in the program she claims, will ever respect her in the field, because, unfortunately, in the current age of Obama and the Just-Us Administration, it is a thought crime to hold blacks to the same standards as whites or asians.

Deep down inside, we all know Queen realizes she's an affirmative action placeholder to keep the Feds off their asses.

But in the meantime, it is humorous to watch what lengths she'll go to to try and fill that deep void of insecurity based in incompetence she has.

Oh, there are days when I miss that white guy from Brooklyn. He could dice and slice Queen three ways to Sunday.

field negro said...

"Mr Field, please include Palin's new book in your side bar and next post. Thank you."

And to think we had to lose a tree for whatever trash her ghost writer wrote for her.

field negro said...

"YOU can't hold a candle to Sarah."

I know. I scare real easily.

Now Glen Rice on the other hand....

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

@ stalking assnon let's walk tell the Truth ( thanks for the slip, now we KNOW who you are).

DH DID do "special things" as s Naval Officer. And my Dad was a MARINE OFFICER.

Now given that you're an overweight, tub of lard married to the same, your jealousy of me, my family, and my professional and educational achievements are quite understandable.

But in the 5 or so years you've STALKED me on this blog, I've made pprogress toward a terminal degree and you're the same hate filled envious loser you were 5 years ago. And for that, you should hate your reflection more than your mirror does.

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

BTW Field, that comment about BIB was ice COLD, LOL!!

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

One last comment to assnon. You are one sick useless f@$ k to spend YEARS of your life on this blog commenting on YOUR own comments, day in and day out.

Society at large is THRILLED you spend so much time in your Mother's basement because you CLEARLY have the profile of a serial killing pedophile.

Anonymous said...

Blogger field negro said...
"Mr Field, please include Palin's new book in your side bar and next post. Thank you."

And to think we had to lose a tree for whatever trash her ghost writer wrote for her.


11:16 PM
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What is your problem with Sarah Palin? are you angry because Bashir was fired over what he said about Palin? Well, he should have been fired and he will never get another job ANYWHERE for harassing Palin.

FYI: Palin is a great writer. She doesn't need a ghost writer. I swear, your mind throws out some of its messed up thinking and you believe it. You make up shit all the time about people and then present it as fact. You need Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr Field, please start monitoring that sleazebag called Dr Nuwang. Her comments are more filthy and vile than AB could ever be. Show that you are not prejudiced by throwing that off-the-rails fool off of FN before she ruins your blog.

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

"I see BLACKISCLUELESS siding with his wingnut friend .

Jig on my brother."

Im Just giving a broader picture...

I made a comment about what Dr. Khalid Muhammed said about Mandela while he was alive.

He felt that Mandela conceeded a powerful advantage when South Africa came out of Apartheid..

Interestingly enough the latter actions of the ANC were directed towards other blacks as traitors or conspirators with the enemy.

This is Just something that can be examined openly and honestly

All aspects of someones legacy have relevance to be discussed.

Bill said...

field negro said...
Now Glen Rice on the other hand....


Is that a shot at glen rice or a shot at palin for sleeping with a black guy?

Black Sage said...

Van Dingo BINGO said: “He was a terrorist. The fact that he ended his life as a good man mitigates that, but he was a leader in the ANC and the ANC was rightly demonized by right thinking people.”

Pardon me Mr. BINGO, I believe you meant to say Mandela was rightly demonized by WHITE thinking people!

Black Sage said...

Anonymous (Truth Hurts) @10:17 said: “I don't deny or try to diminish the pain and injustice that you may have experienced, but I do resent the implication that your "group" was the only one in the course of human history to ever feel such pain or injustice.”

Hi Truth, … so tell me, what credentials have attained to be so certain of an arbiter of justice versus injustice or an arbiter of pain versus comfort? You state that you’re not attempting to diminish anyone’s pain and injustice, but yet, in the very next sentence, you also state that you “resent the implication that your group is the only one in history to feel such pain or in justice.” This is pablumistic, double-talk!

Have you ever bull-dozed a pile of corpse into a ravine to conceal your crime? Were you merely bystander and didn’t protest? Have you been told of the horrors of slavery through beseeching of familial stories? Please, tell me how you’ve been graced with the knowledge to discern if enough injustice have been inflicted upon a group of people to be worthy of complaint? I’m waiting, tick, tock, tick tock,….

Negro b.s. detector said...

"I am guessing that the country of South Africa will be fine, and it will continue on its current path."

The path of rape and genocide against whites?

I'm not surprised Wayne would cheer violence against whites in other countries. He does here all the time. See the book "White girl bleeds a lot".

Saint Mandela was a terrorist. No amount of black washing will change that.

"The republican party of today greatly resembles the National Party of South Africa from 1948. Same goals. "

Examples please. Don't have any? Didn't think so.

Wayne just making shit up as always.

http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks

http://www.thetruthaboutsouthafrica.com/p/white-genocide-in-south-africa.html

http://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/red-october-to-protest-against-genocide-of-white-south-africans-in-london.htm

Come to think of it, blacks in south afrikkka are just like the blacks in this country. Same goals.

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

Racist white folks have throughout history "rewritten" it to fit thier own hatefilled agendas.

I'm sure more than a few of the "biographies" to come about Mandela will make good "fuel starters" and nothing more.

Anonymous said...

Something blah folks do all the time, dr. wang chung?

field negro said...

Oh shut up and go back to stormfront troll. The bs detector is in overdrive when you are around.

Negro b.s. detector said...

The ANC is/was a terrorist group. The "right" has nothing to apologize for.

Saint Mandela will be remembered for turning South Africa into a 3rd world hell. And for genocidal racism.

Facts can't be blackwashed.

Rewriting history and history by omission may make Madiba a saint in the eyes of the left, but it won't save him from the hell he is resting in.

When you make factless arguments,"Oh shut up" is what you are reduced to.




TyrenM said...

RIP to a Field Negro for the ages!

Giovanni said...

I don't believe there is any legitimate cause that can justify bombing schoolbuses full of kids and train stations full of people (2 of the 156 crimes that Mandela admitted to and was jailed for). Amnesty International refused to take Mandela's case, because he wasn't a political prisoner but a terrorist and in their judgement had received a fair trial & sentence.

I'm happy that he mellowed with age, but his actions and lack of remorse for them far outweigh any good that might be attributed to him. Good riddance.

I am a little surprised at the tolerance for/ignorance of Mandela here. Comparing Mandela to MLKing is an insult to King, despite King's many imperfections.

Let’s save the eulogies said...

Mandela started life as a peaceful protestor but soon turned to violence and was imprisoned thus. Despite being in jail, he was still able to sign off on the 1983 Church Street bombing, killing 19 people.

The UN reckons that 21,000 people were killed during the apartheid regime, some 518 deaths being the direct responsibility of the loathsome security forces. The ANC killed many, many more via the charming practice of the infamous ‘necklace’ Indeed, seeing the BBC this morning giving so much time to the odious Jacob Zuma had me reaching for the anti-emetics.

His record in government was unimpressive. The lights go out regularly in South Africa these days and the country is the child rape capital of the world, outclassing even Pakistan. Don’t believe me, ask Oprah Winfrey. It is an uber-violent society with crappy, crumbling infrastructure and endemic corruption which leads to collapsed shopping Malls when corrupt contractors are appointed by corrupt officials.

Are poor urban South Africans any better off? Sure they get to vote, but all they have done is replaced a white political elite with a black one.


http://www.countingcats.com/?p=15650

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

"When you make factless arguments,"Oh shut up" is what you are reduced to."

Actually Field is communicating in the vernacular of low life and idiots so that people like you will understand what he's saying.

And if Mandela is in hell, then so is 90% of all White people with European ancestors born before 1980.

Desertflower said...

Dr.Nǚwáng said...
"And if Mandela is in hell, then so is 90% of all White people with European ancestors born before 1980.
12:19 PM
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True! Unfortunate, but true!

Desertflower said...

This is a great post!
And it makes me wonder, now that the moral center is gone,will the memory be enough to maintain the status quo in South Africa?

Dr. Boer said...

Ms.Nǚwáng said...
"And if Mandela is in hell, then so is 90% of all White people with European ancestors born before 1980."
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Another breathtakingly venal, racist, and ignorant statement by Ms. Queen. Additionally, your use of grammar does not appear to be up to the level one would expect of someone seeking admission to an accredited medical school.

You will never be a doctor.

Anonymous said...

Desertflower said...
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True! Unfortunate, but true!
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Shame on you Desert. I had no idea you were such a hater.

Desertflower said...

Anonymous said...
Shame on you Desert. I had no idea you were such a hater.
12:34 PM
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This has nothing to do with hate! It is a sad truth.

Neither you, nor anyone can deny the sad fact of the brutality and barbarism perpetrated on people of color all over the world by European countries!

I'm also not saying that barbarity has not been perpetrated by peoples of color, brown, red, yellow,black,upon their own, because they have.

But, the fact remains that many lands have been fought over, conquered and colonized by Europeans, where the peoples there have been annihilated and/or enslaved.

This is why America is so feared and respected. It's awesome military conquering power. Remember, the bottom line is pain :)

Desertflower said...

and please bear in mind, I don't state these facts in a particularly condemnatory fashion!

This seems to be the way of the world.

and to the victor go the spoils!

Who can change this?

Since time immemorial life on this planet has been a struggle.

A fight for control,territory,power and supremacy by humans against humans!

(dayumm,I'm waxing real philosophical today! It must be Christmas and that tablet Santas bringing me huh?;p

The Purple Cow said...

" Blacks in South Africa under Apartheid had the highest standard of living of any black population in Africa."

Not true Equatorial Guinea, Botswana, Libya, Gabon, Seychelles and Mauritius all had higher standards of living than black South Africans.

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"When Apartheid ended, they inherited the richest country in Sub-Saharan Africa."

No they didn't. Equatorial Guinea was and remains Sub-Saharan Africa's wealthiest country by a long way. Mauritius was and remains Sub-Saharan Africa's second wealthiest nation.

The Purple Cow said...


"Despite being in jail, he was still able to sign off on the 1983 Church Street bombing, killing 19 people."

No he did not

"In submissions to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) in 1997 and 1998, the ANC revealed that the attack was orchestrated by a special operations unit of the ANC's Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK), commanded by Aboobaker Ismail. Such units had been authorised by Oliver Tambo, the ANC President, in 1979. At the time of the attack, they reported to Joe Slovo as chief of staff, and the Church Street attack was authorised by Tambo."

(source:wikipedia)

The Purple Cow said...

In negotiate with1986 a house resolution calling on South Africa to indicate its willingness to grant freedom to Nelson Mandela, and beginning to set up a framework for talks with the ANC.

The resolution was voted down by 145 Republicans and 45 Democrats. Amongst those who voted against Mandela's freedom were Dick Cheney, John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Pat Roberts and Joe Barton.

Asked in the year 2000 if he regretted the vote, Cheney said that he did not.

Negro b.s. detector said...

So the ANC was a terrorist group? Thanks for proving the "right" right purple cow.

Django Unbrained said...

The Purple Cow said...

" Blacks in South Africa under Apartheid had the highest standard of living of any black population in Africa."

Not true Equatorial Guinea, Botswana, Libya, Gabon, Seychelles and Mauritius all had higher standards of living than black South Africans.
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More foolish dissembling from the Cow.

Equatorial Guinea is tiny country with large oil reserves being extracted by Western companies. The money flows to the elite; the country is a shit hole for the majority of the population.

Gabon, Seychelles and Mauritius are all likewise tiny countries whose external support and experience cannot be translated to the conditions in the rest of Africa. I have been to Botswana. It is one of the most sparsely populated countries on the planet and is controlled by diamond mining interests. Libya is an Arab country, and is not "Sub-Saharan".

To reiterate and clarify: South African blacks under Apartheid had it better than any significant population of blacks in a black majority country anywhere on the planet.

Mandela's legacy is that his wise guidance slowed the collapse of South African society after the fall of Apartheid. However, absent some dramatic develpments, the reversion to the mean of Sub-Saharan Africa is inevitable. My prediction is things continue to slide slowly into anarchy as they did in Zimbabwe, and when the last of the institutions left by the white rulers collapses in decay, whoever is in charge will blame the whites and take everything they have (possibly including their lives). Just like Zimbabwe (The former "breadbasket" of Africa).

I don't blame the South Africans for desiring to rule themselves. They obviously believe it is better to die on their feet than live on their knees, and I respect that. This independence will come with a huge price however, one that no one admits will be charged. But this bill will be paid.

This is what happens in a world led by lies.

Black Sage said...

Sageman signing in as Pilgrim BS Detector.

It's always a moment of hilarity when Rethuglicans attempt to restructure past events with thinly veiled racist attitudes and false equivalencies.

Mr. BULLshit Detector, why didn't you mention the Soweto massacre of at least 700 blacks were killed by the South African military in 1976? Perhaps the number of blacks killed weren't high to be considered a massacre considering your piss poor attitude.

Furthermore, and as it relates to some children being kill while on a bus, this is what happens during a struggle, men, women and children bleed and die! Therefore, calm down and get a grip pilgrim!



Green Parsley said...

Black Stooge said...
Mr. BULLshit Detector, why didn't you mention the Soweto massacre of at least 700 blacks...
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The accepted number is 176, not 700.

In truth, 23 people were killed during the first day of the Soweto Uprising, after students began stoning the police. The remaining 153 deaths occurred over the next several days of outright warfare between protesters and the police.

Massacre? Not so much.

Green Parsley said...

Black Stooge said..
"Furthermore, and as it relates to some children being kill while on a bus, this is what happens during a struggle, men, women and children bleed and die! Therefore, calm down and get a grip pilgrim!"
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Gotta crack a few eggs to make an omelet, right Stooge? Even if those eggs are children on a school bus.

You sound like Kathleen Sebellius, "Some people live, some people die" and Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make?".

Maybe there's a spot in the Obama administration for an amoral girly man like you.

Ben Dover said...

From CNN:

Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, one of Obamacare's architects and staunchest supporters, is also the only top congressional leader to exempt some of his staff from having to buy insurance through the law's new exchanges.... Reid and his personal staff will buy insurance through the exchange. But it's also true that the law lets lawmakers decide if their committee and leadership staffers hold on to their federal employee insurance plans, an option Reid has exercised.

It is hard to conjure a more astoundingly hypocritical example of our ruling class's contempt for the Rule of Law than the Majority Leader's senatorial staff being exempted from the law they worked so hard to pass. Well maybe Obama exempting the Unions who lobbied so hard for it from having to participate, or perhaps his exempting businesses who donated generously to his re-election.

How are the massive government grants to well-connected friends of the current administration such as the $535 million in loan guarantees given to the now-defunct Solyndra corporation substantially different from the grants of land and serfs given to well-connected friends of the medieval kings? And these corporate grants are absolutely dwarfed by the concessions granted to the financial institutions, who distributed $20 billion in bonuses to the 21st century aristocrats in 2012.

Some in the Republican Party try to pretend that this is simply part and parcel of the capitalist process, and that those who condemn “the one percent” are all socialists envious of those whose hard work and success has made them wealthy. But how hard does one have to work to run a company into the ground? How successful is a banker whose bank went bankrupt and had to be bailed-out by the American taxpayer?

If the American government was determined to hand out $787 billion in the name of economic stimulus, would it not have been more effective to simply hand out 2,538.71 to every man, woman, and child in the country instead of making millionaires out of a few thousand bankers?

There is nothing capitalist about the new American aristocracy. One can't even reasonably dignify it with the pejorative “crony capitalism”. It is a shoddy form of aristocracy too, being based on incompetence and corruption rather than military deeds or bloodlines.

The. Most. Corrupt. Administration. Ever.

Anonymous said...

Thank God, he's dead. The world is better off now that this corrupt and racist black man is burning in hell.

Black Sage said...

@Rancid Green Parsley, are you passively telling me that Amerikkkan whites are morally abundant?

Well, if that's the point your attempting to get across, what happened when 4 little black girls were murdered in a church bombing by Amerikkkan terrorists in 1963?

Hang on, I'm receiving an epiphany. The epiphany says that brutal acts of unprovoked violence is only immoral if the act is comitted by a brown or black individual and whites are thoroughly exempt from this charge.

I hope you realize how absurd your position truly is, you common moron!

field negro said...

Anon@5:08, does your cousin/wife know that u are trying to use the Internet again?

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

Why do FNs allow themselves to get so up in arms over the racists comments of losers?

If ya'll want a GOOD AND POSITIVE cause to get excited about, help me get more Black and Brown kida interested in STEM fields. Or encourage your love ones to eat and exercise regularly and DO THAT YOURSELF!!!

President Hate said...

"But sadly, here in America, enemies will never become partners."

Not as long as the Great Divider in Chief Obama is around.

We need someone more interested in the good of the country and less interested in advancing an extreme ideological agenda at all costs. This man is shredding the Constitution and ruthlessly abusing power in pursuit of forcing his lawless idea of 'Change' on America.

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

Just to follow up on my earlier post...
I just wanted to open a discussion to speak on Mandela in full context...

But since you never replied to my post about O-bombers Justice Dept ... via Eric Holder ...appealing and WINNING to stop a Supreme Court ruling from EXPANDING Proactively a "Fair Sentencing Act" that they signed into law.

I may have posted with a little sarcasm ....

So tell me Field....

Why would they do that?

Im certain your getting ready to start another thread...

The Purple Cow said...

Dear Anonymous Django Unbrained,

Don't try and move the goalposts nazi boy, your boys have been caught in yet another lie. The original accusations were very specific, and I have demonstrated that they are nonsense.

No change there then...

focusedpurpose said...

reading the exchange is rather humorous.

i can see how folks could reach the conclusion that Mandela was a "terrorist"...

in fact, i just had a similar convo with red faced israelis that slapped fed up with oppression/occupation box cutter toting palestinians with the same label.

it is pure comedy for a nation of people- Esau, no less- to hem + haw about "terrorists" that simply want them to go back to where they belong; since throughout time they have demonstrated they have a hard time acting...human...in relation to the world majority people of color.

those arguing they were born on occupied lands...should better understand what hispanic folks are talking about. yet, somehow they suddenly get it, when it is time to flex with folks of color and suggest they head back to wherever they came from.

Mandela, may have started out with the mindset of he had enough of oppression. after sitting in a jail cell which featured prominently 666...all signs indicate he experienced a change of heart.

like MLK, he was very well handled. Mandela's operation was even labelled MK...like MK Ultra.

the conditions for Black Africans greatly diminished under the puppet president Mandela. land lock, anyone?

folks in the know...respectfully kept quiet at his passing. waxing poetic is the perfect set up for folks to get taken to school.

i won't even get into the steady stream of mk'd singers, models, etc that one could count on seeing in close proximity to Mandela. it is a freedom train perk for those that sell out.

folks speak reckless about Winnie Mandela...it is always a good time to diss BW. folks may want to take note that one of the first things released from prison (MK programming other fave place outside of military) Mandela did...was get rid of Winnie. all signs indicate she may have been hard to handle + get on the program.

as a place to start to get additional information; folks may want to get familiar:

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2013/12/mandela-spook.html

http://henrymakow.com/when_do_terrorists_get_nobel_p.html

it is noteworthy that both Mandela + BO have nobel peace prizes despite their inability to stop killing folks...at least MLK had NPP + the where with all to speak out against the vietnamese war. couple that with trying to unite poor Black and White folks. yep, he had to go.

Mandela died in old age.

there is a reason for that...

it will be difficult to do...but do your best to overlook violent, murdering azz white folks' glaring hypocrisy. that is not to say all white folks fit the description. the ones running thangs...most definitely. the shoe fits.

i pray that Mandela and his family will have peace. i won't pretend that he was an "icon"...

crooked politicians is not only an american thing. the uk and america keep their bloody hands in other governments ALL day.

focusedpurpose said...

BIB-

you seem to be trying to get FN to admit BO is as stank as a bad case of BO.

he will need to change his blog altogether in order to do that...

admitting that the BO administration is a hot mess = to if not worse than the dubya eyesore is not obamite behavior.

finally admitting that the repugnantcans + the demoncrats = same hot demonic devilish mess, is not popular. but it is the Truth. other folks have spent years over here telling FN this Truth.

it seems some folks just don't believe that fat meat is greasy;(

Anonymous said...

FP, "crooked politicians is not only an american thing. the uk and america keep their bloody hands in other governments ALL day."

9:33 PM
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Thanks for this truth. Very few people own up to the fact that the UK has a lot of blood on its hands just as much, if not more than the USA.

So I don't know why that black Purple Cow is so judgmental about America. What a hypocrite.

Django Unbrained said...

The Purple Cow said...
Don't try and move the goalposts nazi boy,
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The only goalposts I could move for you would involve the Special Olympics.

Fearlessly the idiot faced the crowd

Smiling.


You know your audience, but I know you are full of shit.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

I met a whole community of expat white South Africans in Israel in '77. They'd have been as at home at a klan lynching as in their mother's kitchen. I'd liked to have seen them end up getting the same deal as the white Rhodesians (who'd have been similarly comfortable with the kkk) did (who could deny the cosmic justice of letting people confiscate what was stolen from their ancestors -some of it within living memory?) But, Mr. Mandela and the ANC leadership, almost uniquely among resistance movements & leaders, were never out for vengeance -they were out for success. The ANC assumed power almost as smoothly as a "shadow" government does in a mature parliamentary democracy. That says a lot for a resistance organization whose main leadership was imprisoned & exiled, not least for Mr. Mandela himself. It took extraordinary patriotism & patriots to recognize that true justice at the cost of the failure of your national project is a crime against posterity.

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

FP...

I comment on here to Field all in Love.. My demeanor isn't really to agitate by nature but sometimes I feel it necessary.

Its tough because Field is like that guy with his fingers in his ears ....

I know I'm screamin in the wind most of the time... LOL

Anonymous said...

"Its tough because Field is like that guy with his fingers in his ears ...."

What a wonderful and kind way to describe Field's inability to listen.:)

Anonymous said...

I can't take this waiting for the next post. These days you never know what time Field will post. I'm homeless and I've got to get going because the coffee shop here in Berkeley is closing. Damn you, Field. Show some consideration for the homeless. Make your posts at the same time, hopefully by 7pm PST.

Please be consistent and on time. Don't run on BPT. That is TNB. It's terrible for those of us trying to support you.

And what do you think Whitey and Bill and the Stormtroopers will say about you? They're going to say Blacks are never on time. Field, you are hurting your race.

Man, you're going to be late to your own funeral. Step it up! Act like you are glad to be alive and living in the good old USA.

Hell, I'm homeless and I'm happy as hell to be homeless in America...it could have been Africa. I shiver every time I think of what it could have been...Lordie.

Desertflower said...

Hope you get a nice spot under a bridge to sleep in! :)

I can see why you'd be happy. it must be nice to sleep under the stars every night!

Well, Good night! Don't let the bedbugs bite! You do have a mattress no?

Jumbalaya said...

"You do have a mattress no?"

Yes.

Negro b.s. detector said...

"But, Mr. Mandela and the ANC leadership, almost uniquely among resistance movements & leaders, were never out for vengeance -they were out for success"

Never out for vengeance? Tell that to the 70+ thousand whites that were killed in hate crime/revenge murders.

Tell that to the thousands of white females that were raped and/or mutilated.

How many more murders will the death of saint Mandela cause?

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

Berkeley must have changed a LOT from the time my parents attended school there, since when do they allow racist crackas in town?

Anonymous said...

Dr.Nǚwáng said...
Berkeley must have changed a LOT from the time my parents attended school there, since when do they allow racist crackas in town?
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They needed someone to mop the floors after your parents retired.

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

Perhaps if your parents had been smart enough to get accepted to and graduate from Berkeley as my parents did, you would have had bigger "aspirations" other than being a pedofile internet blog stalker, lol!

The Purple Cow said...

"To reiterate and clarify: South African blacks under Apartheid had it better than any significant population of blacks in a black majority country anywhere on the planet."

To reiterate and clarify: you are a total fucking imbecile.

First you make a bold assertion, (without the backing of anything that bears even a passing resemblance to 'evidence') that promptly collapsed as soon as it was examined by someone with a functioning brain.

So now you come back with the excuses that that was what you said, but not what you meant. You've now discovered a new set of arbitrary 'rules' you have invented to try and save the day.

Now suddenly majority black governments where people were doing better than in South Africa don;t count if the population is below a certain arbitrary level set by you. What this level of population is you don't bother telling us, but it conveniently allows you to discount places like Barbados, Barbuda, Bermuda, The Bahamas and Botswana - and those are only the 'B's!!!

You dismiss Botswana (which you lie about having visited) because "nobody lives there", and it is "controlled by mining industry."

Again, as is typical of you, presented without even a shred of evidence, and we are supposed to take it as read, because you are the white man. You are a white man, but you are also an intellectual charlatan, making claims off the top of your head (or copied and pasted from Stormfront posts I'll wager) and expecting us to believe you.

Think also about your claims. I've demonstrated they are false but consider this, if they were true what would they prove? Capitalism works better when 80% of the population is paid with dirt instead of money, are forced to work 12 hour days, are regularly beaten and savaged and are denied any form of democratic expression.

Well bully for capitalism.

Fuck me, even you could run an economy successfully under those circumstances.

The Purple Cow said...

"...ever out for vengeance? Tell that to the 70+ thousand whites that were killed in hate crime/revenge murders.

Tell that to the thousands of white females that were raped and/or mutilated. "


Evidence please.

(Though I'm tempted to say, fuck 'em they got what they deserved...)

field negro said...

"Never out for vengeance? Tell that to the 70+ thousand whites that were killed in hate crime/revenge murders.

Tell that to the thousands of white females that were raped and/or mutilated."

Links please. Take all the time you need. I will wait....

Anon@12:18 AM is funny.:)

'"Its tough because Field is like that guy with his fingers in his ears ...."'

What a wonderful and kind way to describe Field's inability to listen.:)"

Sorry, I have a very low tolerance for stupid.

But thanks to this blog I am getting better.



Negro b.s. detector said...

(Though I'm tempted to say, fuck 'em they got what they deserved...)

And there it is. Can't hide the racism that lies within the weeds across the fields.


You can't blackwash the racial genocide that was caused by, endorsed by, saint Mandela.

Or the racial violence in this country that is endorsed here in the fields.

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

STEPHEN says..

"Sorry, I have a very low tolerance for stupid."


Yes Im Stupid to point out that O-Bombers Fair Sentencing Act SHOULDVE Freed thousands of Black men from harsh prison sentences...

BUT it wont happen now because this administration that You constantly make excuses for..FOUGHT against retroactively applying it to cases before 2010.

Its obvious the dam bill was a sham for political advantage in the 2010 elections....

Im certain everyone else isn't as willfully ignorant as you appear to be...

I guess the Dem party hasn't given you Permission to advocate openly for Black prisoners.

OUR demographic over-representation in that system must not be on the agenda..

The major PUSH right now is to screw everyone Into crappy health plans...

I got the message....

Django Unbrained said...

The Purple Cow said...
(Though I'm tempted to say, fuck 'em they got what they deserved...)
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Tell your wife that, you racist fascist.

And thanks for admitting I was right, albeit in a sideways obfuscatory manner. It would take a bigger Cow than you to learn anything from his mistakes.