Monday, May 11, 2020

A killing in Georgia.


The vigilante style killing of an unarmed black man in Georgia has stirred all kinds of ugly memories for black folks.

From Emmett Till to Travon Martin, we have seen this movie before. Sadly, it doesn't make the ending any less painful.

This is what Charles Blow wrote about the latest case in Georgia for the New York Times.

"The video is short and shocking.

It’s taken from the perspective of a vehicle following a young black man running at a jogger’s pace. The jogger is 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery. Arbery approaches a pickup truck parked in the street. There are two white men, one outside the vehicle with a shotgun, 34-year-old Travis McMichael, and the other, his father, 64-year-old Gregory McMichael, standing aloft in the flatbed.

The McMichaels had reportedly chased Arbery, blocking his path at another location, at which point he had turned around and jogged another way to avoid them.

In the video, when the men encounter each other, there’s immediately an altercation. Arbery and the younger McMichael fight for control of the shotgun.

Shots are fired. Arbery tries to run away, but he is clearly wounded and his knees buckle. He collapses to the ground. The video ends.

After Arbery fell, the younger McMichael rolled over the limp body “to see if the male had a weapon,” according to a police report. There was blood on McMichael’s hands when the police arrived.
Arbery died of his wounds.

This is how the police report detailed the father’s explanation for why he and his son chased Arbery:
“McMichael stated he was in his front yard and saw the suspect from the break-ins ‘hauling ass’ down Satilla Drive toward Burford Drive. McMichael stated he then ran inside his house and called to Travis (McMichael) and said, ‘Travis, the guy is running down the street, let’s go.’ McMichael stated he went to his bedroom and grabbed his .357 Magnum and Travis grabbed his shotgun because they ‘didn’t know if the male was armed or not.’”

Arbery was not armed, and he was not the “suspect” in any break-ins. He was a former high school football player who liked to stay active and was jogging in the small city of Brunswick, Glynn County, Ga., near his home.

Neither of the McMichaels was arrested or charged. From the time this happened in late February, they have had the luxury of sleeping in their own beds, free men, while Arbery’s body is confined to a coffin, deep in a grave at New Springfield Baptist Church in Alexander, Ga.

According to The New York Times, “Gregory McMichael is a former Glynn County police officer and a former investigator with the local district attorney’s office who retired last May.” The local prosecutor recused herself from the case because Gregory McMichael had worked in her office. The next prosecutor, a district attorney, also recused himself because his son worked for the district attorney for whom Gregory McMichael had worked.

But, before the second prosecutor’s recusal, he said in a letter obtained by The Times:
“It appears Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and Bryan Williams were following in ‘hot pursuit,’ a burglary suspect, with solid first hand probable cause, in their neighborhood, and asking/telling him to stop. It appears their intent was to stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived. Under Georgia law this is perfectly legal.”

The third and current prosecutor on the case said Tuesday that the case should be heard by a grand jury.

He cites the statute: “A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.”

But there is a clear problem here: Arbery had committed no offense. His only offense, the thing that drew suspicion, was that he was black and male and running through these white men's neighborhood.

The recused prosecutor’s letter states: “Given the fact Arbery initiated the fight, at the point Arbery grabbed the shotgun, under Georgia law, McMichael was allowed to use deadly force to protect himself.”

The similarities here to the Trayvon Martin case are uncanny. These men stalked Arbery, projecting onto him a criminality of which he was not guilty, then used self-defense as justification to gun him down in an altercation that they provoked. Arbery was killed eight years to the month after Martin was killed, just about three hours north.

The Black Lives Matter movement that peaked a few years ago focused activism and protests largely around police killings of black people, but the moment was born of another phenomenon, one present in the Martin case and again here: anti-black vigilantism.

This form of anti-blackness marks black masculinity as menacing, and state laws protect the vigilantes’ rights to involve their weapons and their power to end lives.

The most infuriating part of most of the cases in which unarmed black men are killed, either by the police or vigilantes, is the lack of arrest, prosecution or conviction. It is not any suggestion that the killers were right, morally, but rather that in most cases it could be reasonably argued that the killings were legal.

As has too often been the case in this country, the law works to black people’s detriment and sometimes their demise.

Slavery was legal. The Black Codes were legal. Sundown towns were legal. Sharecropping was legal. Jim Crow was legal. Racial covenants were legal. Mass incarceration is legal. Chasing a black man or boy with your gun because you suspect him a criminal is legal. Using lethal force as an act of self-defense in a physical dispute that you provoke and could easily have avoided is, often, legal.

It is men like these, with hot heads and cold steel, these with yearnings of heroism, the vigilantes who mask vengeance as valor, who ­cross their social anxiety with racial anxiety and the two spark like battery cables.

Arbery was enjoying a nice run on a beautiful day when he began to be stalked by armed men.
What must that have felt like?

What must he have felt when he approached the truck and saw that one of the stalkers was brandishing a shotgun?

What must he have thought when he fought for the gun?

What must he have thought when he took the first bullet?

Or the second?

What must he have thought as he collapsed to the ground and could feel the life leaving his body?

Ahmaud Arbery was a human being, a person, a man with a family and a future, who loved and was loved. The McMichaels took all of that away on a glorious Sunday afternoon in February. Who knows what Arbery could have become. He was young, his life a buffet of possibilities. Friday would have been his 26th birthday."

Now for an update: Two of the alleged perps have been arrested. Why it took so long only speaks to the way the judicial system works in some places in America. Two career prosecutors now have some explaining to do. 

Black folks are celebrating the arrest, but I would urge caution. There still has to be a trial, and there is already a narrative is being painted about the victim being a criminal who deserved what he got. Shades of Trayvon Martin.

Just remember what happened in that trial. Somewhere in America George Zimmerman still roams free.    

174 comments:

Anonymous said...

Get a rope, aaaah make that two! If these animals did this once, believe that is wasn't their 1st 'father son outing'. Sons of BITCHES!

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

The white supremacists who post here have been at it already as they did with Treyvon, painting Arbery as a criminal who deserved to be murdered. It sickens me to read their lies.

I hope to God the men who killed Arbery are convicted and go to prison for the rest of their lives.

Anonymous said...

Bad news. Video footage has been released showing Arbery did enter a construction site of a new home. He was obviously just curious about what was being built there, and did not commit any acts of vandalism or theft there.

But you just know that the defense attorneys will argue this made their clients’ perception that he was just “casing” the location for a future burglary, or that he was guilty of some recent local burglaries, reasonable. And that this then justified everything that came after, including Arbery’s death.

All of this is ridiculous, of course. Wanting to have a look at a construction site should not create a right for others to kill you. But it might be possible to sell this argument to a jury in Georgia. I don’t care what anyone says. The South is still the South.

PilotX said...

It's amerikkka. People with dark skin can be killed for anything including breathing while white males with assault rifles can even point them at law enforcement officers and go home unscathed. As trump says, defend the 2nd amendment rights. Pack some heat even while jogging because you never know when you're being stalked by the klan.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said....

"Bad news. Video footage has been released showing Arbery did .."
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I won't believe a word you say until I see the video you speak of after it's been checked by reliable experts for validity. You really don't expect me to believe you without irrefutable proof, do you???????

PilotX said...

https://www.theroot.com/anti-lockdown-demonstrators-walk-into-north-carolina-su-1843390241

Now these fools are carrying rocket launchers. Brotha gets gunned down for allegedly holding a damned hammer while klanners get to carry anti-tank weapons. WTF? As Childish Gambino said "This is America".

Anonymous said...

“I won't believe a word you say until I see the video you speak of after it's been checked by reliable experts for validity.”

Here you go. Real news channels are reporting it, not just the usual wingnut hate sites.

GBI reviewing additional video in case of Ahmaud Arbery

Obviously, the video will be authenticated as part of the trial process. But it appears to be Arbery. He didn’t just check out the construction site from the road as he was jogging but actually walked onto it.

Again, this doesn’t, by itself, make Arbery a burglar or in any way justify his death. But racists will do mental gymnastics to say it does.

PilotX said...

I for one would gladly trade these shit stirring, assault rifle carrying, rule breaking asshats for immigrants simply trying to get away from violence in their home countries who would gladly wear a mask to keep vulnerable people safe. Commissioner, we would like to propose a trade. Win win, we get peaceful neighbors and the klanners get to shoot their big guns at the cartels.

Anonymous said...

“Now these fools are carrying rocket launchers.”

I am extremely curious about whether this was a real, functioning rocket launcher. If so, how the hell did this backwoods goober get ahold of it?

It’s crazy that a sizeable number of people in this country seriously think the 2nd Amendment means not only that they can own weapons, but that they can own whatever weapons they want. Military-grade weapons.

“I should be able to have tactical nukes or else I’m being oppressed!”

PilotX said...


"I am extremely curious about whether this was a real, functioning rocket launcher."


I think it was inert but still......why?

Anonymous said...

“I think it was inert but still......why?”

We know why. They want to threaten people into giving them what they want. They feel they need their guns to fight democracy.

Oh, a majority of the public prefers to avoid massive COVID-19 deaths, rather than to reopen the economy, you say?

Who cares. These stupid yahoos have guns and think they’re more important than your grandma, and that COVID-19 is “just the flu” anyway, so clearly they should get their way.

dinthebeast said...

Goddamn pants pissing poltroons think any non-white, non Pig Person's mere existence is a threat to them that justifies them shooting them.

Get this Pig People, the biggest most lethal threat to all y'all is your propaganda addiction that makes you behave like homicidal morons.

Get over it and get over yourselves and grow the fuck up.

Just kidding, they will never grow up or participate meaningfully in a rational, functional society. They have been making that loudly and abundantly clear for centuries now.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Stick to the facts, all of them said...

Arbery did not deserve to be murdered.

But he was not jogging, he was running away from a house under construction that he had been attempting to steal from.

The neighborhood had several such burglaries in recent weeks.

Other surveillance footage has been released that shows Arbery committing burglaries in the area.

His mother identified him as being in one of the videos.

As he ran away, local men defending their community attempted to apprehend him.

The reason he was confronted by armed men was because there was probable cause that he was a thief.

He ran at a man with a shotgun and tried to get it away from him, while punching him in the head.

The man fired one shot which killed Arbery.

He was shot because he attempted to take a gun from a man. In such a case, the armed man has the right of self defense.

The guys who tried to arrest him wound up killing him, and for that they will have to defend their actions in court.

The truth, as hard as it is for you to admit, is that this man was not an innocent jogger hunted down by racists out to kill someone, he was a criminal who attacked someone holding a gun and got killed.

I don't know what charges these guys deserve. But just like with Trayvon, and Mike Brown, and the Covington Catholic kids, the media omitted facts and perpetuated falsehoods in order to paint a false picture of what happened.

You'd think people would learn after a while. But the sweet candy of outrage and indignation are too much to resist. You are being manipulated again.

Anonymous said...

Yup. Here we go. Like clockwork.

Arbery went to a construction site, so wingnuts are already insinuating this proves he was a burglar and deserved to be on the receiving end of a shotgun blast.

Anonymous said...

Also predictable:

At least 75 of the redneck MAGA goons at an anti-shutdown protest in Wisconsin have now come down with COVID-19.

Words are really inadequate to describe the extent of the dumbassery here.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said......

Again, this doesn’t, by itself, make Arbery a burglar or in any way justify his death. But racists will do mental gymnastics to say it does.

2:19 PM
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Thanks for the link. I don't think it is particularly incriminating. If the shooters thought Arbery was committing a crime, they should have called the authorities. Seems one of the shooters maybe had a grudge against Arbery?

Anonymous said...

“If the shooters thought Arbery was committing a crime, they should have called the authorities. Seems one of the shooters maybe had a grudge against Arbery.”

I don’t think they had a grudge against Arbery; they didn’t even know him, so it’s more likely they had a grudge against black people. They saw a black guy in their neighborhood and assumed he was up to no good, based on the flimsiest of evidence.

Also, the father is an ex-cop. He does not seem to have accepted the “ex” part, which means he no longer has any legal authority to detain or question people he suspects of crimes.

mike from iowa said...

Moar deaths to lay at drumpf's feet....

Last updated: May 11, 2020, 22:49 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
1,384,033
Deaths:
81,703

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Stick to the facts, all of them said...

Arbery did not deserve to be murdered.

But he was not jogging, he was running away from a house under construction that he had been attempting to steal from.
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This is not an established fact. You are jumping to conclusions. You should wait for all the genuine factual evidence.

mike from iowa said...

According to someone, the rocket launchers are Viet Nam era relics and can't be fired and easy to obtain if you are/were military personnel.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Yup. Here we go. Like clockwork.

Arbery went to a construction site, so wingnuts are already insinuating this proves he was a burglar and deserved to be on the receiving end of a shotgun blast.

5:15 PM
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Jumping to conclusions and posting BS is what they do. It's their obsession.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Also predictable:

At least 75 of the redneck MAGA goons at an anti-shutdown protest in Wisconsin have now come down with COVID-19.

Words are really inadequate to describe the extent of the dumbassery here.

5:20 PM-
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Hey, Anon, do you have a source for this info.?

Anonymous said...

“Hey, Anon, do you have a source for this info.?”

I feel a bit sheepish to have to admit, no, I don’t. I was going off someone else’s comments who is generally trustworthy but not an actual news source.

So it’s only hearsay at this point. I’ll come back and post if I find some actual proof.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Today Philip Rucker of the Washington Post called Trump’s bluff:

“In one of your Mother’s Day tweets, you appeared to accuse President Obama of ‘the biggest political crime in American history, by far’ — those were your words. What crime exactly are you accusing President Obama of committing, and do you believe the Justice Department should prosecute him?” Rucker asked, during a news conference that was ostensibly about the coronavirus.

Trump had nothing.

“Uh, Obamagate. It’s been going on for a long time,” he began. “It’s been going on from before I even got elected, and it’s a disgrace that it happened, and if you look at what’s gone on, and if you look at now, all this information that’s being released — and from what I understand, that’s only the beginning — some terrible things happened, and it should never be allowed to happen in our country again.”
https://www.vox.com/2020/5/11/21255214/trump-obamagate-philip-rucker-coronavirus-press-conference

This third-grade word salad sounds like Sarah Palin. I will never understand how 60 million Americans voted for this fool, Donald Trump.

The Silver Voice of Reason said...

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...
"Jumping to conclusions and posting BS is what they do. It's their obsession."

Six hours and six minutes earlier she said..
"I hope to God the men who killed Arbery are convicted and go to prison for the rest of their lives."

LOL, you people.

Director Homey said...

"I will never understand how 60 million Americans voted for this fool"

Maybe the blatant crimes of Obama and Hillary committed in service of stealing the election had something to do with it.

I bet you won't understand how he gets re-elected either.

mike from iowa said...

Chicago cops dunnit again.....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-hero-chicago-cop-landed-robert-johnson-in-prison-for-80-years-for-murder-then-witnesses-recanted?ref=home

16 year old black kid convicted of murder with no physical evidence against him and no third party witnesses testifying. Just the word of a co-defendant who copped a plea deal.

Anonymous said...

The kind of people who want to execute two White guys who tussled with a Black guy and shot and killed him make excuses all day long for two Black guys who kill a White guy for $20 and a Domino’s pizza.

Anonymous said...

Ignored by National Media: 29-Year-Old Black Man Guns Down Married Couple in Their 80s in Delaware Veterans Memorial Cemetery


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/ignored-national-media-29-year-old-black-man-guns-married-couple-80s-delaware-veterans-memorial-cemetery/

Anonymous said...

Prediction liberals:

They will be exonerated!!

Anonymous said...

Trayvon II

Paul said...

The Aubrey case is pretty simple. He was shot because he attacked a man with a gun.

He went into a house under construction multiple times over the course of weeks or months. The last time he did it a guy called 911 and Aubrey took off “Jogging”. Three people followed him and when they caught up Aubrey ran towards the guy with the gun, punched him and got shot.

The only thing left to settle is what culpability the guys who chased him have under state law. I'm guessing it's something far short of murder.

mike from iowa said...

https://www.channel3000.com/72-got-covid-19-after-being-at-large-event/

I know absolutely nothing of Channel 3000.com, what their bias and factuality is.

Anonymous said...

https://www.newarkadvocate.com/story/news/2020/05/11/utica-man-charged-aggravated-burglary-accused-assaulting-victim/3110408001/

Anonymous said...

Black Neighbor charged with murder in Whitehall shooting:

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200510/neighbor-charged-with-murder-in-whitehall-shooting

Anonymous said...

Slain woman’s family alarmed by black murder defendant’s release to tether:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/09/marissa-edmunds-orlando-whitfield-open-murder-charge/3103203001/

Anonymous said...

Woman Dies After Hammer Attack in Manchester by negro women:

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/woman-dies-after-hammar-attack-in-manchester/2264178/

mike from iowa said...

Fucking whitey did it again, this time in Minnesota, murdering an unarmed black man because he was afraid for his life.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/white-driver-guns-down-unarmed-black-man-following-car-crash-police-say/LIZGMUXKIFBKNASWGUYSTWL2AE/

Anonymous said...

Paddy Rollers Activate!!

mike from iowa said...

https://abc7.com/video-shows-man-who-may-have-been-ahmaud-arbery-at-work-site/6172467/

Looks like Arbury entered a house under construction (no crime) wearing a white shirt, cargo shorts and what the fuck? sneakers. No hammer.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Director Homey said...

"I will never understand how 60 million Americans voted for this fool"

Maybe the blatant crimes of Obama and Hillary committed in service of stealing the election had something to do with it.

I bet you won't understand how he gets re-elected either.

7:57 PM
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And just what "blatant crimes' are you referring to? If you chose to answer, please be specific and cite some sources for your claims.

As for Trump being reelected in November, I recommend you don't hold your breath.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

TO Anonymous at 7:30 PM

So it’s only hearsay at this point. I’ll come back and post if I find some actual proof.
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That's OK, thanks for your reply. I just wanted to know so I could read the article. I'm a strong believer in Karma, and I was thinking just how ironic it would be for 75 percent of them to get sick.

PilotX said...

"Ignored by National Media: 29-Year-Old Black Man Guns Down Married Couple in Their 80s in Delaware Veterans Memorial Cemetery"

He was caught the same day right? Ok, now imagine if he was allowed to continue his life as normal for 74 days and the local DA refused to prosecute.

PilotX said...

Hell, how long did it take for Megar Evers to see justice? 40 years?

Anonymous said...

clueless in iowa said...
"Looks like Arbury entered a house under construction (no crime) wearing a white shirt, cargo shorts and what the fuck? sneakers. No hammer."

Different day, different burglary, same dude.

Maybe his momma shouldn't have named him Armed Robbery.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Paul said...

The Aubrey case is pretty simple. He was shot because he attacked a man with a gun.
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Tell us how you know this. Were you there and saw it as it happened???

Anonymous said...

Arbery was not armed, and he was not the “suspect” in any break-ins.

Arbery was videoed entering, leaving and trespassing inside the house under construction.  Items had been stolen from it before the cameras were installed; the thefts were why the cameras were installed.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=nZBy_1589122594

He was a former high school football player who liked to stay active and was jogging in the small city of Brunswick, Glynn County, Ga., near his home.

Shorter Fooled Negro:  "he dindu nuffins."

His only offense, the thing that drew suspicion, was that he was black and male and running through these white men's neighborhood.

The fact that you, a judge, can lie so shamelessly about something which has documented fact proving your claims false is proof that we cannot live in the same society.  I hope someone submits complaints to the bar association and judicial tenure commission.

Ahmaud Arbery was a human being, a person, a man with a family and a future, who loved and was loved.

Ahmaud Arbery was a crook who once tried to take a gun into a high school basketball game at a school where he was not a student.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Anonymous said...

"Tell us how you know this. Were you there and saw it as it happened???"

If you haven't watched the cell phone video which clearly shows Arbery attacking the man with the shotgun, you're jumping to conclusions out of prejudice against the two men attempting to protect their neighborhood and neighbors from a serial burglar.  If you have watched the cell phone video and can't understand what you saw, you're stupid.  If you watched it and already forgot what happened in it, you're senile.

Wesley R said...

The media on the right is trying to make the victim, the guilty party like they always do when something like this happens.

Malcolm X said it best;

"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent and that's power. Because they control the mind of the masses".

Anonymous said...

As for Trump being reelected in November, I recommend you don't hold your breath.

8:45 PM

you know its going to happen.

Anonymous said...

Blogger mike from iowa said...
https://abc7.com/video-shows-man-who-may-have-been-ahmaud-arbery-at-work-site/6172467/

Looks like Arbury entered a house under construction (no crime) wearing a white shirt, cargo shorts and what the fuck? sneakers. No hammer.

8:19 PM


No crime??? Its criminal trespass.

Anonymous said...

4 dead, 18 hurt in shootings, 2 stabbed, 1 tossed off a bridge, 1 tossed out a window, it's a Chicago weekend

Anonymous said...

Run Nigger Run (Recorded 1927)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGNvo8WTrA

Anonymous said...

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-violence-wednesday-leaves-9-shot-3-killed/6159673/

PilotX said...

"the two men attempting to protect their neighborhood and neighbors from a serial burglar."

That's not how you protect your neighborhood. You and your friends don't go "confront" people with shotguns. You call the police and let them handle the situation because they are trained to do such. When you get a lynch mob something is gonna go wrong like this. Lives are ruined because these wanna be cops decided to play sheriff.

PilotX said...

"No crime??? Its criminal trespass."

Which is not a capital offense in any state. In Georgia criminal trespass is a misdemeanor punishable by a year in prison, a $1,000 fine or both. Now lives are ruined because of vigilantism.

Anonymous said...

"Which is not a capital offense in any state. In Georgia criminal trespass is a misdemeanor punishable by a year in prison, a $1,000 fine or both. Now lives are ruined because of vigilantism."

Not to mention that virtually never would anyone get prosecuted for trespassing under such circumstances. People walk onto open construction sites all the time, because they're curious what the new building that is going up will be like.

Unless you hop a fence/break open a locked gate, or you refuse to leave someone's property after being ordered to, you're not gonna catch a trespassing charge.

Anonymous said...

Tresspassing? Seriously, what's next, littering?

"We saw him drop a Burger King wrapper on the road, officer. That's when Roy and Earl and I formed up an armed posse and took off in hot pursuit! No, sir, we could not let that cosmic injustice go unpunished!"

Anonymous said...

It appears Arbery had been stealing from the neighborhood for weeks. This is a salient fact that deserves investigation.

The video shows he actually did attack the guy with gun.

He didn't deserve to die for burglary, but trying to take a gun away from someone is an extremely aggressive act, one that could reasonably be interpreted as intent to kill.

The media should not have tried to pass this off as "innocent jogger killed by racist negro hunter". Now the whole story is tainted with having been lied about in the beginning.

Anonymous said...

Wesley R said...
The media on the right is trying to make the victim, the guilty party like they always do when something like this happens.

Malcolm X said it best;

"The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent and that's power. Because they control the mind of the masses".
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@ Wesley:

Who controls the media?

Who did they immediately try to pronounce guilty?

Who did they immediately anoint innocent?

Malcolm knew who held that power:

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7304323-but-let-s-not-forget-the-jew-anybody-that-gives-even

https://forward.com/culture/looking-back/177636/malcolm-x-and-the-jews/

Who benefits from eternal racial acrimony?

Anonymous said...

"It appears Arbery had been stealing from the neighborhood for weeks. This is a salient fact that deserves investigation."

"Appears" how? In a racist vision floating in those two father-and-son rednecks' brains? There is no evidence whatsoever to support this. There is nothing to connect Arbery to any crimes in the neighborhood.

They may have suspected him of committing some kind of crime (probably because they're racists), but suspicion alone did not grant them any legal right to confront and detain him while armed.

Therefore, their attempt to do so could rightfully have been viewed as an assault by Arbery.

Therefore, they had no legal right of self-defense while assaulting him.

Therefore, they murdered Arbery.

Anonymous said...

"There is no evidence whatsoever to support this. There is nothing to connect Arbery to any crimes in the neighborhood."

Except surveillance videos that connect him to crimes in the neighborhood. And the fact his own mother identified him in a video.

Other than that, no evidence.

Anonymous said...

An explicitly race-based militant group with a history of violence is intimidating members of the public (ie. Terrorists)... But they're not White so move along.

heavily-armed protesters from the Black Panther Party, 'I Fight For My People', and 'My Vote is Hip Hop' gathered Saturday to demonstrate in the Satilla Shores neighborhood near where Arbery was killed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8303973/Cops-review-new-video-man-appears-Ahmaud-Arbery-minutes-killing.html

dinthebeast said...

OK, if you despicable fucks think it's OK to arm up and go hunting for people you are suspicious of having committed a petty property crime, howsabout me and all of my friends accuse you of felonious stupidity with intent to distribute and stake out your trailer park or the door to your mom's basement?
"I don't know, officer, he saw me and the boys and our guns and freaked the fuck out, so we just put him out of his obvious distress."

So Fergus, having seen his own goddamn polling that says Biden is stomping him into the dirt by ten points with voters 65 and older, is fully losing his shit in front of god and everybody.

Now that the plague is inside the white house, it's much harder for him to credibly claim that mitigation measures are no longer necessary, because if they weren't, he wouldn't need to implement then in his own goddamn house.

He says he learned a lot from Nixon, which is questionable, but perhaps he should have been studying Prince Prospero instead.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

OT but this is funny.

https://www.theroot.com/battle-of-the-dons-a-compilation-of-don-lemons-petties-1843395770

Anonymous said...

Criminal Trespass IS a crime. Arbery had no legal right to be on that property. The surveillance video shows him casing the property.
He attacked a man who was armed with a shotgun and attempted to take (steal/theft) by force, a strong armed robbery. Deadly force WAS justified.

PilotX said...

"Now that the plague is inside the white house, it's much harder for him to credibly claim that mitigation measures are no longer necessary, because if they weren't, he wouldn't need to implement then in his own goddamn house."

If he and Pence don't come down with it there is no god.

PilotX said...

"Deadly force WAS justified."

Of course it was, you know a Blah man breathing and all. Can't have that can we?

Anonymous said...

Chicago May 2020 to Date
Shot & Killed: 22
Shot & Wounded: 90
Total Shot: 112
Total Homicides: 22

PilotX said...

"No weapon was used nor the appearance of a weapon: For the crime of robbery to have been committed, there must be evidence that a weapon or violence or the appearance of a weapon was used during the incident. Any evidence supporting that this was not true would be greatly beneficial. Even if you are still guilty of robbery, it is a lesser sentence than armed robbery."

Still not a capital offense. Deadly force was not justified but now the wanna be cop will be prosecuted for at least manslaughter. He and daddy are gonna be real popular in the pokie.

PilotX said...

Well this can play out one of two ways, 5-4 or 4-5. The rightwing judges wouldn't mind another trump term so he can nominate more RWNJ judges but Roberts might still be pissed at him for pissing on the judicial powers. If he rules with the liberal judges his reelection bid is finished because we'll see what he is spending so much time and effort hiding. Once again, if there's a god we can see his taxes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/secrecy-trump-s-taxes-financial-records-line-supreme-court-arguments-n1203951

PilotX said...

Check this out Field. New President of United is a fellow lawyer. A frat brother of mine who went to law school with my sister. I don't know man, you lawyer types usually shouldn't be in charge. LOL

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-united-airlines-president-brett-hart-20200511-fuqbsgq7hfe3jnxx4qnie66uci-story.html?fbclid=IwAR1kfsnfiGV46YndnJ3aJBnUS7M-l_LwgR4DmOYJy7DnH1bD19FVKKdIDuI

Flying Junior said...

I remember in the Martin murder the special prosecutor decided against a grand jury which eliminated the possibility of a first-degree murder charge. Georgia grand jury law is very different. The only way to indict for major crimes in Georgia is through a grand jury. It would pay to bone up on Georgia law.

I would think in six years time we should have evolved and learned enough from past mistakes that a first-degree murder charge can be filed. This is clearly not manslaughter. Nor is it logical to call it self-defense. It's amazing that the courts had to disqualify two prosecutors who were ready to free the father and son without a trial.

Anonymous said...

Not sure what will happen to the McMichaels' but I do know that Trump is Obama's legacy.

Anonymous said...

Auburn Calloway sez...

"I for one would gladly trade these shit stirring, assault rifle carrying, rule breaking asshats for immigrants simply trying to get away from violence in their home countries who would gladly wear a mask to keep vulnerable people safe."

I agree, but not in the way you mean it. Somewhere in your statement is a cure for this country. Think hard, and leave your claw hammers at home Mr. Calloway.

mike from iowa said...

drumpf body count to start the day in a positive way....

Coronavirus Cases:
1,386,514
Deaths:
81,852

Anonymous said...
Criminal Trespass IS a crime. Arbery had no legal right to be on that property. The surveillance video shows him casing the property.

He is not very good at casing if he completely missed seeing the video camera. When the 9-11 operastor asked the caller what crime was being committed, the only answer she got was he was running down the street. Running down the street is not a crime unless he was speeding on foot.

mike from iowa said...

Except surveillance videos that connect him to crimes in the neighborhood. And the fact his own mother identified him in a video.

Where are all these videos proving Arbery committed criminal acts? Are these the same videos that show Minn AG Keith ellison assaulting his ex? As in they don't really exist except in right wing racist fever dreams?

mike from iowa said...

Racist much, bitch? https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/trump-demands-these-votes-must-not-count-after-california-opens-poll-site-in-heavily-black-area/

Can't be allowing dem darkies to vote in whitey's land. Unfair!

Anonymous said...

"No weapon was used nor the appearance of a weapon: For the crime of robbery to have been committed, there must be evidence that a weapon or violence or the appearance of a weapon was used during the incident."


Total Bullshit, if you are a burglar/robbery skulking the neighborhood, and an armed good guy with gun confronts the criminal and if said criminal lunges and attacks the armed good guy, you can shoot.

Anonymous said...

Niggers think nowadays they can rob steal rape and murder with impunity in a post Obummer world. Far from it. Decent hard working Americans are tired of nigger bullshit and the double standard. Niggers you don't get a pass.

Anonymous said...

"He is not very good at casing if he completely missed seeing the video camera"

of course he isn't , he is a nigger and feels entitled.

Anonymous said...

Still not a capital offense. Deadly force was not justified but now the wanna be cop will be prosecuted for at least manslaughter. He and daddy are gonna be real popular in the pokie.

12:43 AM

I don't know what affirmative action law school you went to, but it doesn't have to be a capital offense for deadly force to be justified. Nobody has to take an ass beating to kill somebody legally.


PREDICTION: The defendants will prevail on very fine legal points once liberal hysteria is thrown out the window and facts and evidence prevail.

Anonymous said...

https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/facebook-twitter-and-youtube-are-censoring-legitimate-scientific-dissent/

mike from iowa said...

PREDICTION: The defendants will prevail on very fine legal points once liberal hysteria is thrown out the window and facts and evidence prevail.

Very fine legal point + all white jury.

Looking around in a construction project is not even an offense, let alone a capital one. There was no crime alleged when the murderers did their murdering.

Both murderers should also be charged with attempted kidnapping and assault with deadly intent.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

It appears Arbery had been stealing from the neighborhood for weeks. This is a salient fact that deserves investigation.

11:56 PM
-----------------
DO you realize what you just said here? First you say "appears" and then you say, "salient fact." Appearance and fact do not have the same meaning. What appears to be a fact may indeed be a fact and then again, it may not be.


"....trying to take a gun away from someone is an extremely aggressive act, one that could reasonably be interpreted as intent to kill."
---------------
It could more reasonably mean that the victim is trying to save his/her own life.


Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Chicago May 2020 to Date
Shot & Killed: 22
Shot & Wounded: 90
Total Shot: 112
Total Homicides: 22

12:41 AM
----------------
Hey Anon. We are sick of your Chicago numbers. So I'm going to start posting the homicide data in cities that have higher rates than Chicago.
As you can see below, the rate in New Orleans for three months was 38, already higher than Chicago's was 22 (according to your post above.)after four months. So according to you numbers, Chicago had 22 homicides after four months, while New Orleans had 38 after only three months.

"Apr. 2, 2020 - Now, the New Orleans Police Department has three new homicide investigations and the city has 38 murders in the first three months of 2020.
2 shootings, 3 killed in New Orleans within hours | wwltv.com"

Anonymous said...

Unless you own the property under construction you are trespassing. Sorry, but that is a fact. Did he deserve to get shot? No. The yahoos should have just called police and stayed home. Of course nothing happens with property crimes unless caught red handed. The frustration of being constantly robbed with impunity has a lot to do with this tragedy.

Regardless of what liberals say, normal white people are getting tired of paying the "jogger" tax.

Also, Trump is Obama's legacy.

Anonymous said...

LOL. Granny does not understand why anonymous post Chicago's crime numbers. Using New Orleans crime numbers only amplifies the message. Too funny!

Anonymous said...

Hey, just to make you folks feel better. Most violent crime in America is intra-racial. That's what the usual suspects around here say when a black jogger slaughters a White person.

mike from iowa said...

Unless you own the property under construction you are trespassing.

9-11 caller was asked what criminal acts he witnessed and could only come up with running down the street, which, even a black person running in a white neighborhood, is not a criminal act.

If that area had so many burglaries why weren't there any police reports other than Killer junior reporting the theft of a handgun from his truck?

mike from iowa said...

Anonymous said...
https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/facebook-twitter-and-youtube-are-censoring-legitimate-scientific-dissent/

Elon Musk and hydroxychloroquine are not proven scientific anythings.

mike from iowa said...

Approx 17.5k moar bodies to count to hit drumpf's magic body count number 100k....Here we go

Last updated: May 12, 2020, 17:25 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
1,393,862
Deaths:
82,471

Anonymous said...

"Hey Anon. We are sick of your Chicago numbers"

is there something about Chicago you do not wish to be discussed??? Truth hurts doesn't it??

Anonymous said...

Dear retard, where did you go to math school??

"As you can see below, the rate in New Orleans for three months was 38, already higher than Chicago's was 22 (according to your post above.)after four months. So according to you numbers, Chicago had 22 homicides after four months, while New Orleans had 38 after only three months."


"Chicago had 22 homicides after four months"

No Mrs. Communist Chicago's numbers are way higher, you are lying and distorting again. Chicago has 22 murders SO FAR for the month of MAY ALONE!!!! One Month, not since the beginning of the year, its Chiraq you know!!

Chicago Year 2020 to Date May 12-2020
Shot & Killed: 165
Shot & Wounded: 720
Total Shot: 885
Total Homicides: 183

Anonymous said...

It could more reasonably mean that the victim is trying to save his/her own life.
12:06 PM

Criminals try to do that when committing crimes. Victim?? You mean the two local residents that live there and where exercising their community care taker function.

Anonymous said...

"Looking around in a construction project is not even an offense, let alone a capital one."


Its not a capital offense BUT IT IS AN OFFENSE, its called Criminal Trespass.


"There was no crime alleged when the murderers did their murdering."

Bum rushing somebody and trying to take there gun away is a crime, in fact its an act of deadly force.

Just reserve yourself to the fact that the two wrongfully charged defendants WILL prevail and be exonerated, sorry it doesn't fit your liberal narrative.

Anonymous said...

"Hey Anon. We are sick of your Chicago numbers"

is there something about Chicago you want kept quiet?? Are you worried that something else will be exposed there???

Could it be that Chicago is THE most corrupt city in America and has the highest murder rate in the county.

Could it be that liberals want Chicago as the Template for the rest of America and implement NIGGERFICATION of America??

PilotX said...

"You mean the two local residents that live there and where exercising their community care taker function."

Community care taker? Uh ok.


"Could it be that liberals want Chicago as the Template for the rest of America and implement NIGGERFICATION of America??"

If the rest of America, especially red states, could have the higher education institutions, professional sports teams, great food, museums, transportation infrastructure, communications, ethnic diversity, music, culture and festivals Chicago has we'd all be better off for it. And chill with the racialized language, it's unbecoming of such an intellectual as yourself.

PilotX said...

"Could it be that Chicago is THE most corrupt city in America and has the highest murder rate in the county."

Highest murder rate in Cook county? Uh, maybe. The White House is a bit more corrupt and hiding his taxes kind of proves this.

PilotX said...

"is there something about Chicago you do not wish to be discussed???"

There's plenty of things to discuss about Chicago. Easier for me because I live here but a bit more difficult for you because you have never set foot in the city but please continue.

PilotX said...

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/best-universities/best-university-cities

If higher education is your thing Chicago is one of the top cities in the world for you. Unless higher education isn't really your thing......

PilotX said...

https://travel.usnews.com/rankings/best-foodie-destinations-in-the-usa/

One of the top food cities in the nation. If you're into food Chicago is your place.

PilotX said...

If you're into sports once again Chicago is your place. And who doesn't like sports, besides my mom.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1000474-the-10-best-sports-cities-in-the-us-where-does-yours-stand

Anonymous said...

“Could it be that Chicago is THE most corrupt city in America and has the highest murder rate in the county."

Highly doubtful that it is the most corrupt city in America in 2020. People who say this are stuck in a timewarp where it’s still Prohibition and Al Capone is running the city. That crazy shit is decades in the past.

And it’s literally never been true that Chicago had the highest murder rate in the country. This is just a lie. In terms of per capita murders, Chicago is in the middle of the pack among major cities. The most dangerous cities by far, in most years, are New Orleans and Detroit.

The weird hard-on for Chicago that wingnuts have had since the Obama era is rivalled only by their bizarre obsession with George Soros as some kind of sinister mastermind controlling left-wingers everywhere.

PilotX said...

https://www.thetravel.com/american-cities-best-museums-travel/

If you're into museums, and who isn't, Chicago is your place.

dinthebeast said...

Let me pull one of my shotguns out near your ignorant cowardly asses and see if you size me up and decide to meekly comply with my requests to let me have my way with you.

Or just go fuck yourselves.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

If it was you, Doug, it would probably be hard not to laugh.

Seriously though, brain-damaged people shouldn't be allowed to own fire arms.

Anonymous said...

If it’s really true (extremely questionable) that Georgia’s laws allow for non-police officers to legally form an armed posse to go arrest someone they merely believe committed an act of trespassing (a misdemeanor!), then as the old expression goes, “the law is an ass.”

This is rule by lynch mob, pure and simple.

Anonymous said...

“Seriously though, brain-damaged people shouldn't be allowed to own fire arms.”

That would rule out most of the whites in the former Confederacy. Hey, I’m all for that!

PilotX said...

"If it’s really true (extremely questionable) that Georgia’s laws allow for non-police officers to legally form an armed posse to go arrest someone they merely believe committed an act of trespassing (a misdemeanor!), then as the old expression goes, “the law is an ass.”

Georgia does have citizen arrest statutes but part of that is not using force to detain an individual which in this case was violated. Daddy and son will be spending some additional time in the pokie.

PilotX said...

https://www.wsav.com/news/local-news/breaking-down-georgias-citizens-arrest-law/

Choices said...

"It could more reasonably mean that the victim is trying to save his/her own life."

New video shows Arbery charging Gregory McMichael from a fair distance away:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1260286115321458688

Yeah, having someone point a gun at you (if that is what happened) when you are unarmed is a very difficult situation.

If he thought the guy was going to shoot him then any action is reasonable when considering the alternative.

Running AT the person and trying to take his gun away while punching him in the head was probably the worst choice he could of made if he was trying to save his own life. Certainly it was as bad as any other action could have turned out.

If he was guilty of burglary, running away would have been a better choice.

If he was innocent, staying where he was, putting his hands up and talking to the person would have been better. The likelihood someone was going to shoot him in broad daylight in the middle of the street is very low.

Arbery obviously thought the guy wasn't going to shoot him, and he was right. If McMichael was going to shoot him, he would have pulled the trigger before Arbery was on him.

Once he grabbed the gun, McMichael could have reasonably assumed if Arbery got it, he was the one who was going to get shot.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Arbery got himself killed, and McMichael got himself in jail.

Anonymous said...

“If he thought the guy was going to shoot him then any action is reasonable when considering the alternative.”

Doesn’t matter whether you think Arbery should have reacted differently. It was unlawful for the McMichaels to be there pointing guns at him in the first place, which means they had no legitimate right of self-defense in that situation and their killing of Arbery is automatically unlawful.

Anonymous said...

We don't know that he ever pointed the gun at him before he rushed him.

mike from iowa said...

People dying like flies to help drum0pf attain his 100k bodies before August...

Last updated: May 12, 2020, 20:51 GMT
United States
Coronavirus Cases:
1,404,734
Deaths:
83,223

mike from iowa said...

One last time inbred retards..... Georgia law says a person can kill in self-defense "only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury ... or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony." The law also says a person who provokes an attack or acts as "the aggressor" can't claim self-defense.

The murderous, racist scum who killed Arbery provoked the incident so he CANNOT claim self defense. Just like in Martin's case the police were on their way and should have been allowed to handle this, but George Zipperbut and his racist kid pulled a Zipperfuckerman and went hunting them a negro to bag and were sure they'd get away with it.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Dear retard, where did you go to math school??
---------------
Here's where. You or some other idiot sent it. It states clearly that the total killed is 22. It isn't my fault you wingers can not communicate clearly.

Chicago May 2020 to Date
Shot & Killed: 22
Shot & Wounded: 90
Total Shot: 112
Total Homicides: 22

BTW according to https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/16/americas-most-violent-and-peaceful-states/39672421/
The per capita homicide rate in Illinois is 7.8 per 100,000. which is less than the state of Alaska (8.4), Louisiana (12.4), Nevada (9.1), and six other state that you can read if you go to the above web site.
I sure would like to know what your obsession with Chicago is about. I have a hunch it's because Obama lived there for many years and held political office there. I think the fact that Obama was elected and served two terms as president is still sticking in your craw.
Chicago does not have the highest per capita homicide rate (20.7 per 100,000) in the country. For example the per capita homicide rate in New Orleans 37.1. per 100,000.

So why don't you ever post anything about New Orleans??

Anonymous said...

"Highly doubtful that it is the most corrupt city in America in 2020. People who say this are stuck in a timewarp where it’s still Prohibition and Al Capone is running the city. That crazy shit is decades in the past."


Giggle, you just admitted to everyone that you are not street smart, just very obtuse. Plenty of "in the know people" know that "they" are still there........

mike from iowa said...

Lawyer for home owner whose house was under construction has some interesting stuff to say about the Arbery case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Qt2--_BIs

and it ain't sounding good for the killerz.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

LOL. Granny does not understand why anonymous post Chicago's crime numbers. Using New Orleans crime numbers only amplifies the message. Too funny!

12:40 PM
-------------
You have no idea what you are talking about. There you go jumping to unsupported conclusions as usual That seems to be common among wingnuts. My intent has nothing to do with race. It's about politics. Have a nice day.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...
You mean the two local residents that live there and where exercising their community care taker function.

3:17 PM
--------------
Is that what you call it? I call it looking for an excuse to kill a black man.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous at 3:26 PM

Could it be that Chicago is THE most corrupt city in America and has the highest murder rate in the county. (?)
-----------------
I have no idea which city is the most corrupt in the United States. However you are wrong about the per capita murder rate in Chicago and other American cities. Chicago is number ten in per capita homicides. https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/murder-map-deadliest-u-s-cities/51/

BTW, your sentence above should have been punctuated with a question mark since it is a question.


Anonymous said...

"Giggle, you just admitted to everyone that you are not street smart, just very obtuse. Plenty of 'in the know people' know that 'they' are still there........"

Sorry, no, "street smart" or "in the know" are not the terms I'd use to describe the morons who spend their time ranting on web forums about QAnon and Obama being a "secret Muslim agent."

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Choices said.....

New video shows Arbery charging Gregory McMichael from a fair distance away:

Do you know where this new video came from? Who took it?

mike from iowa said...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/its-sickening-indiana-republican-faces-furious-backlash-over-racist-facebook-post-about-black-children/

drumpf accused Obama of a big fat felony and then can't explain what crime he is talking about because he is a dumb fucking waste of white.

Anonymous said...

Choices said...
"New video shows Arbery charging Gregory McMichael from a fair distance away:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1260286115321458688

Now imagine this video didn't exist. The press would have gotten away with their anti White narrative.

The anti-White press is so desperate to vilify White people and incite hatred, they created a media lynch mob against these two innocent men. The press needs to be held accountable.

Three takeaways:
1. The MSM can never be trusted
2. The media hates White people
3. It's not White people that control the media

mike from iowa said...

Fair distance? Is that a legal term? Os it something only redfneck ammosexuals would know and understand? Was it fair to the killer? Was it fair to the killee? Who gets to decide what fair is?

What your video doesn't show is the two killers pulling alongside the victim like the shit they were trying to sell law enforcement.

In this case a death for a death sounds fair.

mike from iowa said...

Just over 17k bodies to reach drumpf's nirvana....

Deaths:
83,377

Anonymous said...

Wingnut morons in Florida are protesting lockdown because they're being cruelly oppressed by not being allowed to go to the gym. This is one of their dumbass signs. LOL!

Some fool made an error on the sign, though. It should read: "Give me gains AND give me death." Because that's how ending lockdown prematurely would actually work.

PilotX said...

"Three takeaways:
1. The MSM can never be trusted
2. The media hates White people
3. It's not White people that control the media"

Three takeaways.
1. anonymous trolls cannot be trusted.
2. anonymous trolls hate Blah people
3. It's not Blah people who are anonymous trolls.
πŸ˜‚

PilotX said...

"So why don't you ever post anything about New Orleans??"

Or statewide gun death rates. Illinois is behind Wyoming, Alaska, Arkansas, ect. Do a search for statewide gun deaths and see what you get. Quite surprising.

PilotX said...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

Montana is twice the rate of Illinois. We're pretty much right in the middle.

dinthebeast said...

"If it was you, Doug, it would probably be hard not to laugh.

Seriously though, brain-damaged people shouldn't be allowed to own fire arms."

Which shotgun would you like to laugh at me for murdering you with? The Browning pheasant gun with the 2 3/4" chamber, the Browning goose gun with the 36" barrel chambered for 3" mags, or the Remington 870 Wingmaster, also 3" mag. I used to have a Spanish built double barrel 10 gauge, but I didn't like geese enough to keep it, and the ammunition was frightfully expensive, even if you load it yourself.
Or would you prefer one of the rifles? Winchester model 70s, one .270, one .243, or the old model '94 .32 special. There's also a Remington .22 long rifle semi-auto that I could murder you with.
If you prefer a handgun, I have a Browning High-Power 9mm that would do the trick, although I don't think I'd want to shoot a human with one of the .22 revolvers, even though they would work just fine, having killed many cows and hogs for slaughtering.

This from Carl Newman's Twitter feed:

A.R. (Actually Republic) Moxon
@JuliusGoat
·
May 11
When a Black person is murdered, the project immediately becomes posthumously convicting them of a crime worthy of the sentence. It can be any crime. It doesn’t even need to be a crime.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

"Or statewide gun death rates. Illinois is behind Wyoming, Alaska, Arkansas, ect. Do a search for statewide gun deaths and see what you get. Quite surprising."

Statewide gun death rates aren't equivalent to homicides, though. They include homicides, but also lots and lots of suicides and accidental discharge deaths.

So that's mostly what you're looking at with the sky-high gun death rates in the red states. If Bubba has a gun (and he definitely does), there is a strong possibility Bubba will intentionally or unintentionally shoot himself.

The FBI said...

"Which shotgun would you like to laugh at me for murdering you with?"

Stay right where you are.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Pilot X said......

"Or statewide gun death rates. Illinois is behind Wyoming, Alaska, Arkansas, ect. Do a search for statewide gun deaths and see what you get. Quite surprising."

9:33 PM
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Yes it is. As you may recall, I have been trying for months to get the trolls to see how wrong they are. But alas, all they do is insult me and insist that I don't know what per capita means. LOL!

I hope you and your family are doing well under the current, difficult circumstances.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Dinh the Beast said.....

When a Black person is murdered, the project immediately becomes posthumously convicting them of a crime worthy of the sentence. It can be any crime. It doesn’t even need to be a crime.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

10:35 PM
That's been my observation. I'm surprised they haven't accused Arbery of sealing another kid's crayons in kindergarten.

PilotX said...

"I hope you and your family are doing well under the current, difficult circumstances."

We're doing well. Hope you and your's are well.

Anonymous said...

Hey Grabbler2, are you bright enough to realize that every city you've cited with a higher homicide rate than Chimpcongo is ALSO heavily black?

Meaning, THE PROBLEM IS BLACKS?

No, you're not that bright.

Anonymous said...

StewardessX writes:

Or statewide gun death rates.

Most "gun deaths" are suicides, not murders.  You're lying by conflating two very different things, but what else can we expect of blacks but lies?

dinthebeast said...

"Stay right where you are."

I'm not going anywhere and all of my firearms are legal, registered, and in good working condition.

And I'm white, so the cops have never had a problem with my guns.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

PilotX said...

"Meaning, THE PROBLEM IS BLACKS?"

Or that the states, which are lily white, have higher gun death rates? I know that includes gun accidents but that means most of these morons are to dumb to own a gun. Now be a good hillbilly and shoot yerself in the foot.

"Most "gun deaths" are suicides, not murders. You're lying by conflating two very different things, but what else can we expect of blacks but lies?"

Um, you do know "gun death" means death by gun right? I didn't conflate anything I simply put up facts. I know you have problems with facts but why make it racial? You're kind of racist kid. And stop it with the suicide thing Jr., i know it sucks being dumb, racist, a virgin, unwanted by women and having to live with your mother but..........damn, on second thought if I was that much of a loser like most incels I'd probably end it too. Sorry bro.

PilotX said...

"Most "gun deaths" are suicides, not murders."

Where is this information or are you some kind of gun death Rainman?

Anonymous said...

Tonight, Californians elected a Republican to a Democrat-held Congressional seat in Los Angeles.

dinthebeast said...

The votes aren't all counted yet, but if he does win it will be a Republican taking back a seat that has been held by Republicans since 1993 until Katie Hill won it in 2018.
Kind of a wingnut district for California. The partisan breakdown isn't heavy in either direction because our districts aren't gerrymandered, and I think my district has a heavier Republican lean, but we'll see what I can do about that this November.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

mike from iowa said...

And criminal trespass is not a crime if the owner's don't press charges. Arbery committed no crime except being black in a redneck's gun sights.

Hope the rope breaks and McMichaels hangs twice.

mike from iowa said...

drumpf body count to start yer day.....

Deaths:
83,455

Someone with a Mathematics degree help me with a problem I am having, is 83k larger or smaller number than 15? Thanks.

mike from iowa said...

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/12/ahmaud-arbery-was-struck-twice-in-the-chest-by-shotgun-blasts-autopsy-shows/24281123/

Arbery must be mucho hombre to absorb two shotgun blasts to the chest and abdomen while being murdered.

Home owners says there was no crime committed at his under construction home so out the window goes McMichael's probable cause for murdering unarmed black jogger. Hang the wasicu wastey with an old rope and a new tree.

PilotX said...

"Tonight, Californians elected a Republican to a Democrat-held Congressional seat in Los Angeles."

Wow, now they have two in the entire state?πŸ˜† Good job GOP.

Anonymous said...

29 point swing in the district. In California.

Dems are in trouble.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

Hey Grabbler2, are you bright enough to realize that every city you've cited with a higher homicide rate than Chimpcongo is ALSO heavily black?

Meaning, THE PROBLEM IS BLACKS?

No, you're not that bright.

11:52 PM
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Yes, Anon, I know that due to gang activity some cities have more homicides than others. I think you are referring to New Orleans, Baltimore, St. Louis; am I right? My question about that is why aren't the city governments doing more to reduce gang activities in their cities? Where are all the guns used in these cities coming from? Are the weapons legally obtained? If not, what is being done to stop the illegal transfer of fire arms?

What we have in the cities with high homicide rates are multiple problems that have not been addressed. In 2017 the overall per capita death rate by homicide rate for whites was 3.6 per 100,000;; for Native Americans 6.3; and for African Americans 21.4. (https://www.livestories.com/statistics/california/los-angeles-county-homicide-assault-deaths-mortality)

I have many questions about why this situation is allowed to continue. If the white homicide rate were 21.4 per 100,000, the entire country would be mobilized to address the problem. Why is this situation not addressed? And you still haven't told me why you and your cohorts constantly stress Black homicides in Chicago. Is it because President Obama lived there and you are still trying to demean him?

Your use of Grabbler instead of Gambler and Chimpcongo instead of Chicago reveals the you have a third-grade mentality. Why don't you grow up and do something productive instead of just demeaning other people?


Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

StewardessX writes:

Or statewide gun death rates.

Most "gun deaths" are suicides, not murders. You're lying by conflating two very different things, but what else can we expect of blacks but lies?

11:56 PM
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No one is lying. We clearly stated "gun deaths." A person who commits suicide or is killed accidentally is still as dead as a person who dies by homicide. So their deaths are counted as death by gun. Duh!
"In the United States, suicide is twice as common as homicide -- and more often involves firearms...."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181030102805.htm

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Pilot X said.....
Tonight, Californians elected a Republican to a Democrat-held Congressional seat in Los Angeles."

Wow, now they have two in the entire state?πŸ˜† Good job GOP.

10:48 AM
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True, but that seat had long been held by Republicans. It changed hands two years, likely because of a very dynamic Democratic candidate, Katie Hill. So now has returned to the Republicans. Not a big win for Republicans that in any way predicts the future.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

From Raw Story today....

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/ahmaud-arbery-involved-in-confrontation-with-father-son-duo-days-before-they-killed-him-neighbor/

PilotX said...

"Dems are in trouble."

Keep telling yourself that, you might even believe it.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚Romney in a landslide.

PilotX said...

"Why don't you grow up and do something productive instead of just demeaning other people?"

That would mean they would have to have the intelligence and motivation to actually be productive. All they can do is lie on the internets. Sad but maybe that explains the high suicide rate in their neck of the woods.

dinthebeast said...

We'll get it back in November when the turnout will be better. That's how wingnuts win in California, they run in elections when the turnout is low. See also: Gray Davis recall.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

How To Not Get Your Ass Kicked ( or shot) By The Police - Chris Rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

Anonymous said...

FN: "Somewhere in America George Zimmerman still roams free"

Innocent people get to do that.

Anonymous said...

Interesting to hear today that the father Greg McMichael worked in law enforcement for many years, but he was not licensed to do so, and failed all the professional training requirements. He only retired when getting caught out about that.

Anonymous said...

Or that the states, which are lily white, have higher gun death rates?

The CDC's map of firearm death rates shows a huge blotch including Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.  These states are all either heavily black or have large violent black enclaves like St. Louis and KCMO.  Oddly enough, Illinois rates low despite the sky-high firearm homicide rate in Chicago.  Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska... also low.  Wyoming has lots of Indian reservations and New Mexico is heavily hispanic, so not "lily white" at all.  Oregon isn't doing so bad, lily-white Washington is doing pretty good.

In other words, you're full of crap.  You're a magical thinker, not a logical thinker.  To you, guns are talismans with magic powers.  Only half of US suicides are by firearm, but banning firearms won't eliminate suicide.  Drug overdose, hanging, drowning, high-speed crash into a bridge abutment... too many ways to kill yourself.

Magical thinking is the charitable explanation.  More likely is that you know that guns are too good at keeping ferals at bay, and you want the racial revenge that letting them run amok would give you.  In other words, you just hate white people.

If you're actually concerned about suicide, how about dealing with "the deaths of despair" by dealing with the despair?  Ways like bringing industry and thus employment back to Middle America?

dinthebeast said...
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dinthebeast said...

How about dealing with it?
You know who did more to deal with it than anyone in a generation?
Barack Obama.
But what did they do about his efforts?
Oh yeah, they called him the Kenyan Muslim Usurper and told him to go pound sand.
No other president since maybe Eisenhower did more to support American manufacturing in the heartland, but did anyone even notice? Not really, except for the actual people he helped with programs like the one supporting employees wanting to continue businesses whose owners and founders aged out and retired.
Lose a lot of small manufacturing businesses that way, the owner gets old and the kids don't really want to take over the business so when he retires, there is a program to get financing for the employees who know how it works and want to continue operations.
That's one of dozens of such initiatives that the press was too busy with tan suits and Benghazi to ever cover.
But they happened.
Right up until Fergus came along and took a meat axe to everything he could find that had anything to do with Obama.
Fergus will go down in history as having driven a stake through the heart of American manufacturing, and totally ceding to China and Germany the twenty million or so jobs in solar technology alone.
Which, now that wind and solar have surpassed coal in energy production, seem like some good jobs to have had in America.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

FN: "Somewhere in America George Zimmerman still roams free"

Innocent people get to do that.

6:24 PM
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The only problem with your post is that George Zimmerman is not innocent. He Stalked and killed a young man. And he got away with it because the young man was black.

Anonymous said...

George Zimmerman is not innocent. He Stalked and killed a young man.

Liar and libeler.  Stalkers do not call the police on stalk-ees.  Concerned citizens call the police on suspicious persons.

And he got away with it because the young man was black.

He didn't "get away with" anything.  He's suffered terribly, because said suspicious person first ran (even more suspicious), got clean away... then came back to attack because he felt "dissed", and only THEN did he get killed.

All Trayvon Martin had to do to avoid getting killed was not get violent.  Since you're still making excuses for him this many years later, it appears that you think aggravated assault is a civil right for blacks.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous 2:32 PM

You're full of it. You have no regard for the facts. Had Zimmerman obeyed the directive to back off and let the police handle it, Treyvon would likely still be alive.

"February 26, 2012 - George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain in Sanford, Florida, calls 911 to report "a suspicious person" in the neighborhood. He is instructed not to get out of his SUV or approach the person. Zimmerman disregards the instructions. Moments later, neighbors report hearing gunfire. Zimmerman acknowledges that he shot Martin, claiming it was in self-defense. In a police report, Officer Timothy Smith writes that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and back of the head."

https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/05/us/trayvon-martin-shooting-fast-facts/index.html

Anonymous said...

You're the one who's full of it.  Police dispatchers can't give orders, and "we don't need you to do that" (the exact words in the call, which I know you know because the audio has been posted here so many times) isn't anything close to an order.  It's ass-covering on the part of the PD so they don't have to take responsibility for anything that ensues.

Had Zimmerman backed off, there would have been no hope of finding out who the suspicious person was or what they were up to.  Zimmerman was assisting law enforcement.  Trayvon Martin was a violent criminal, and had he simply gone straight back to Brandy Green's condo with his watermelon-flavor Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles nobody would have given him a second glance.

I notice that you don't deny thinking that aggravated assault is a black civil right.  Your evil is truly disgusting.

dinthebeast said...

"Police dispatchers can't give orders"
Sure they can, to police officers. Mr.Z's claim to authority, the very reason he claimed that his actions don't amount to stalking and murder, was that he was on official "neighborhood watch" or whatever bullshit wannabe cop shit he claimed authority under.
Acting outside of that "authority", that is, contrary to the orders of someone with actual authority, he was just an armed asshole making trouble with a neighborhood kid, and it was straight up murder.
Maybe in the movies you watch regular people arm up and chase people around and shoot them, but in the real world you do eight years for that shit.
Unless you're white and your victim is black.

-Doug in Sugar Pine

Anonymous said...

Sure they can, to police officers.

Not even to police officers.  Dispatchers aren't on the scene, and don't have that authority anyway.

Mr.Z's claim to authority, the very reason he claimed that his actions don't amount to stalking and murder, was that he was on official "neighborhood watch" or whatever bullshit wannabe cop shit he claimed authority under.

Zimmerman was acting as a concerned citizen.  He had the absolute right to inquire about the bona fides of suspicious persons in his neighborhood and follow them to direct police to them; being neighborhood watch doesn't grant anything, all citizens have that authority.

Acting outside of that "authority", that is, contrary to the orders of someone with actual authority, he was just an armed asshole making trouble with a neighborhood kid, and it was straight up murder.

How many delusions/lies in just one sentence?

1.  Again, no authority is required.  Concerned citizens have the absolute right, indeed almost obligation, to report suspicious persons.
2.  No order was given.  "We don't need you to do that" is legal ass-covering.
3.  "Asshole" is a libel.
4.  Trayvon Martin was an interloper, not a "neighborhood kid", and looked like the trouble he was.
5.  Shooting someone who's pounding your head into a concrete sidewalk and beating you in the face is self-defense.  If anyone was attempting murder, it was Martin.

You exhibit the classic DARVO behavior:  deny, attack, reverse victim & offender.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said... at 12:48 PM


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Blah, blah, blah - all nonsense. You know damn well he killed the kid in cold blood.

Anonymous said...

I know damn well that anyone who can look at the evidence and still say that is a liar or insane, Granny.

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Anonymous said...

The Liberal Media is a joke
just like the black race and ethnicity's
notice they always portray an see themselves
as always being innocent,victims like that riot
that took place in Miami during the 80's because
one of their own kind was trying to elude police
and his name is Arthur Mcduffie. for some reason
when it comes to this race of criminals they never
see one of there own as being criminals,savages,monsters
that they are. its pretty obvious if you have a black judge
an a black jury non of them will convict him for the crime
he committed its like they just can't see them doing it even
though you provided (cctv video) evidence and among other things
like DNA an items that they used against the victim,victims

not to mention eye witness,eye witnesses from other races,ethnicity's
but of course from their perspectives they'll say the eye witnesses
that are white,yellow,brown are lying,distorting making stuff up to
put one of their brotha's,sista's in prison. America is repeating history
as long as this keeps up the land of the free will never be truly free
from liberals & or blacks delusional,distorting,skewing,twisting,spinning
hallucinating,illusional,warped,manipulating circumstances discussions
controversy grasps like what happened to Rodney King,Michael Brown
Trayvon Martin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African-American_riots_in_the_United_States

Anonymous said...

Dear Doug,

How have you been? It’s been a very along time. I hope you’re still getting out for your regular exercise in the park and a hamburger these days. I remember you telling me how much you enjoy a “light jog and a large #1 at Burger King.”

As for me, I remain on my assignment at a science station in the Arctic Circle studying climate change. Specifically, we are studying the best ways to raise global sea levels while also creating localized droughts in certain regions. I’m not a big fan of the project. But, it’s a highly funded program and the pay and benefits are great.

Of course, it not easy living here. The conditions are always very white. My wife is white. Even the bears are white. You’d especially hate that. But at least there’s no Covid-19 or the other “problems” I keep hearing about at lower latitudes and in many inner-cities. Regardless, I feel quite prepared if the virus comes here.

Luckily, I never liked junk food with lots of hot sauce on top. I also didn’t grow up in a single-parent, drug-using home in a low income and high crime neighborhood. So, I have no co-morbidities. Therefore, I’m not at all worried about the current crisis.

Anyway, did your sister, LaChanequachata, ever marry that Jamaican taco vender from Compton? I still can’t believe they sent him away for just a few ounces. I hope they were at least able to have a proper wedding at the prison chapel. They sounded like a perfect match to me. Also, how’s your brother, Ahmed Allah LeRonny doing these days? I hope his job renting wheels and tires is going well. Hopefully, he has a legit shop by now in a great location next to a Red Lobster.

Anyway, it’s so nice to see your posts. Keep them coming comrade!


Sincerely Your Old Friend,

Dr. Boris Balinkoff