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I am feeling good right about now, because I just watched my birds thump the Colts. But a quick rant: The NFL has got to do something about the officiating in their league. I know they want to cut down on injuries, but this is tackle--- not touch football. There was nothing illegal about this hit.
Anyway, I don't usually do this, but I have known this blogger for a long time. He sent me a post of a recent experience he had, and I think it is important enough to share. Dude was seriously pissed off after recently going to vote and realising that some folks were unfortunately still stuck in the sixties.
"When Voting And Racism Collide:
Meet John Barr; [*Pictured above] Ypsilanti Township, Mich racist.
I met John this past Tuesday (Nov 2) when I went to my polling location to vote.
Backstory:
Over the last few months, I had been debating how I would vote for Mich governor. I was or torn between voting for a republican whom I felt was competent and a needed change for the state or voting for the democratic option who reminded me of Rod Blagojevich that makes my skin crawl.
Tuesday: Day One
The day of the vote I kinda just said fuck it all. I can’t vote for any of these fools. Why does it always seem like we have to choose between two evils? With that said, I decided not to vote.
Yeah, I said I decided not to vote.
OK, so now, I’m leaving work headed home and I get near my polling place and did an about face and decided to vote.
I guess karma was on my side because the location was not super busy and I got a parking space right at the door.
As I’m getting out my car, I was approached by a man passing out literature for candidates that he was supporting. Then he took it a step further and said let’s get Virg Bernero (the democrat) in the governor’s office. I explained that there was no way that I was going to vote for him.
After I made my statement, his tone changed and he started acting like he was my real daddy or something breaking down how republicans are not for us, the greater good of Negro people, how he would be better for business blah blah blah!
Then he went on to tell me that he owns a liquor store and funeral home. I was like really? Then I asked if he laid to rest any of his alcoholic customers from his store. I was just being an asshole…
Minutes later, I’m in line to vote.
I hand over my ID and the person looks me up then she hands me my voter application to get my ballot.
I then move to the ballot line, which is where John Barr and I 1st made contact.
I approach John with my ID and voter application in hand and greeted him with a hello. He extends his hands to take my information and reciprocates my greeting.
As he was looking me up, he asked “how is your gangsta’ rap group going?” Taken aback, I said excuse me. He then repeated the question looking me dead in my eyes. I then asked John what made him think that I was in a gangsta’ rap group. He exclaimed “everyone with hair like that is a gangsta rapper!”
At this point, I shouted back “are you racially profiling me as I attempt to vote? Are you serious? Do you really mean to intimidate me at the voting poll in the year 2010?”
All I got back from my line of questioning was a dumb ass blank stare that only an imbecile could give.
I then demanded to see someone in charge!!!
Moments later, a very sweet woman approached me and I explained what happened. All the while she was in utter shock. At the end of my rant, she asked me to not leave so that she could process me personally as she dismissed John.
As she handed me a ballot, she requested that I not leave so that she could get me in touch with the township clerk.
So I now have my ballot and I’m in the booth PISSED off.
As I stated before, I was going to vote for the republican gubernatorial candidate but then I started having civil rights flashbacks and said fuck that, I can’t go that way.
After the ballot was completed, I handed it back to the sweet lady (she had be to in her 70s). She thanked me for my patience and told me that the township clerk; Karen Lovejoy Roe was waiting to see me at her nearby office.." [More]
And, to think, Tafari was actually considering voting for the republican for governor. (The guy supporting the dumbocratic candidate was no better)
But hey, Tafari, maybe the guy was just making small talk. You know, just breaking the ice. I am sure he didn't want to discourage you from voting. That would have been [un]A-merry-can.
I am feeling good right about now, because I just watched my birds thump the Colts. But a quick rant: The NFL has got to do something about the officiating in their league. I know they want to cut down on injuries, but this is tackle--- not touch football. There was nothing illegal about this hit.
Anyway, I don't usually do this, but I have known this blogger for a long time. He sent me a post of a recent experience he had, and I think it is important enough to share. Dude was seriously pissed off after recently going to vote and realising that some folks were unfortunately still stuck in the sixties.
"When Voting And Racism Collide:
Meet John Barr; [*Pictured above] Ypsilanti Township, Mich racist.
I met John this past Tuesday (Nov 2) when I went to my polling location to vote.
Backstory:
Over the last few months, I had been debating how I would vote for Mich governor. I was or torn between voting for a republican whom I felt was competent and a needed change for the state or voting for the democratic option who reminded me of Rod Blagojevich that makes my skin crawl.
Tuesday: Day One
The day of the vote I kinda just said fuck it all. I can’t vote for any of these fools. Why does it always seem like we have to choose between two evils? With that said, I decided not to vote.
Yeah, I said I decided not to vote.
OK, so now, I’m leaving work headed home and I get near my polling place and did an about face and decided to vote.
I guess karma was on my side because the location was not super busy and I got a parking space right at the door.
As I’m getting out my car, I was approached by a man passing out literature for candidates that he was supporting. Then he took it a step further and said let’s get Virg Bernero (the democrat) in the governor’s office. I explained that there was no way that I was going to vote for him.
After I made my statement, his tone changed and he started acting like he was my real daddy or something breaking down how republicans are not for us, the greater good of Negro people, how he would be better for business blah blah blah!
Then he went on to tell me that he owns a liquor store and funeral home. I was like really? Then I asked if he laid to rest any of his alcoholic customers from his store. I was just being an asshole…
Minutes later, I’m in line to vote.
I hand over my ID and the person looks me up then she hands me my voter application to get my ballot.
I then move to the ballot line, which is where John Barr and I 1st made contact.
I approach John with my ID and voter application in hand and greeted him with a hello. He extends his hands to take my information and reciprocates my greeting.
As he was looking me up, he asked “how is your gangsta’ rap group going?” Taken aback, I said excuse me. He then repeated the question looking me dead in my eyes. I then asked John what made him think that I was in a gangsta’ rap group. He exclaimed “everyone with hair like that is a gangsta rapper!”
At this point, I shouted back “are you racially profiling me as I attempt to vote? Are you serious? Do you really mean to intimidate me at the voting poll in the year 2010?”
All I got back from my line of questioning was a dumb ass blank stare that only an imbecile could give.
I then demanded to see someone in charge!!!
Moments later, a very sweet woman approached me and I explained what happened. All the while she was in utter shock. At the end of my rant, she asked me to not leave so that she could process me personally as she dismissed John.
As she handed me a ballot, she requested that I not leave so that she could get me in touch with the township clerk.
So I now have my ballot and I’m in the booth PISSED off.
As I stated before, I was going to vote for the republican gubernatorial candidate but then I started having civil rights flashbacks and said fuck that, I can’t go that way.
After the ballot was completed, I handed it back to the sweet lady (she had be to in her 70s). She thanked me for my patience and told me that the township clerk; Karen Lovejoy Roe was waiting to see me at her nearby office.." [More]
And, to think, Tafari was actually considering voting for the republican for governor. (The guy supporting the dumbocratic candidate was no better)
But hey, Tafari, maybe the guy was just making small talk. You know, just breaking the ice. I am sure he didn't want to discourage you from voting. That would have been [un]A-merry-can.
117 comments:
if this is racism then black people have become such pussies. Our grandaddies was getting hanged for voting and someone bitching about a epic joke fail? Get a grip.
p.s. Eagles did kick ass
The NFL Refs are getting more and more like MLB Umpires, everyone has a different strike zone, and the NBA refs, with the rigged NBA playoffs.
People forgot how good Vick is, the man is gifted. If he can get the Philly fans on his side then you know being from philly that's something.
As far as your man at the voting booth, there's no need to get emotional, because that's what they expect. It may have been necessary though to get Richard Pryor, Robin Harris, or Bernie Mack on that ass with a smile on his face. Leave the person feeling dumb and like shit. Don't get mad, check him and then go vote.
This guy is an idiot. Voting is the most meaningless activity. He'd have been better off at home pleasuring himself.
What a ridiculous story. Some freelancing asswipe says something stupid at the polling place, and that changes how you vote?
What a total wussbag this guy is......did he call his mommy and cry later?
Field, your friend sounded like he wasn't going to vote anyway. And he voted for a dirtbag Democrat who reminded him of Blagojevich,- because of some white person at the polls he perceived to be a racist?
Boy, that was good thinking wasn't it? lol
He should have told him, "No, actually, I'm a member of the KKK and teaparty movement. I left my hood and Palin/Bachmann badge in the car."
Interesting story Field but I am not sure the guy at the poll meant any harm, but it was a dumb thing to do. He may have been naive and ignorant more than racist.
Hey check out my first blog entry on my local blog called DredScottsGhost. I thought I would jump back into the "Fields" with my pin. I was so frustrated after my Black Agenda Report stint and their inability at the time to explain rather than just indict.
I think I am going to start a blog to talk about national and other political and cultural and yes religious issues as well. I'll probably wordier than you lol.
I just posted an editorial I wrote for the local black weekly that I used to edit on the attempts to close the only black high school in the predominantly black part of town.
Tell me what you think. Its at:
http://dredscottsblog.blogspot.com/
"As he was looking me up, he asked “how is your gangsta’ rap group going?” Taken aback, I said excuse me. He then repeated the question looking me dead in my eyes. I then asked John what made him think that I was in a gangsta’ rap group. He exclaimed “everyone with hair like that is a gangsta rapper!”
At this point, I shouted back “are you racially profiling me as I attempt to vote? Are you serious? Do you really mean to intimidate me at the voting poll in the year 2010?”
I would have asked him if the best part of him ran down the crack of his momma's ass and left it at that. I don't think you could combat that sort of imbecilism with anything other than a sturdy 2x4.
"if this is racism then black people have become such pussies. Our grandaddies was getting hanged for voting and someone bitching about a epic joke fail? Get a grip."
I don't know if I feel you on that one. Just because the bigots switched from overt racism to covert racism doesn't make it any less worse.
Ahem...."imbecility". Pardon.
Does not carry the ring of truth IMO.
How silly and strange that this interaction prevented our friend from voting for the more competent choic, especially since the so called imbecile was a Democrat. This story makes no sense and just shows how people make silly decisions based upon emotionalism. Now some asshole will be in office just cuz homeboy was rubbed the wrong way by the town dummy! heheheheheh This must be a joke right?
oops meant more competent choice.
Jibreel, "if this is racism then black people have become such pussies. Our grandaddies was getting hanged for voting and someone bitching about a epic joke fail? Get a grip."
I am very glad Tafari responded the way he did, which was to report Barr's stupid ass to the appropriate authority. By taking responsible and appropriate actions, John Barr was dismissed.
It is disturbing to read comments from Jibreel and Wesley R, which put down Tafari for standing up against intimidation and blatant racism. Tafari did the RIGHT THING for himself, and for others.
Jibreel and Wesley R, however, ARE a much bigger problem than a dumb-sdd racist like John Barr. They are so emotionally constipated that they consider intimidation and insults at the polls today to be just a little 'minor' thing because no one got lynched. Anything less than that is completely acceptable. Hence, there is no need for any action to remove John Barr, let the racist do his job as long as he isn't killing Negroes). Well, Barr's insulting words were not 'acceptable' to Tafari. I respect and admire him for that.
More bm should be like Tafari instead of mindless cowardly Oaktown Negroes like Jibreel who contribute NOTHING to the strength and well-being of African Americans.
BTW, Tafari might have made a 'large' contribution to Black America for what he did at that polling place... Not only did he probably make things better for Blacks who might have come later to vote,-- but he helped the Township Clerk, and indirectly the State of Michigan with their voting procedures.
Finally, he probably helped John Barr to realize that he can't piss on every bm he sees.
I am thinking that Tafari's actions has been good for everyone, including FN posters. Thanks for the post, Field.
Well, the important thing is that Tafari complained to he authorities and he did VOTE. By helping to get rid of that jackass Barr, he helped everyone.
I thought that you were not allowed to hand out campaign stuff at the voting site.
We need some real, non teabagger third party option.
Mack Lyons, "I would have asked him if the best part of him ran down the crack of his momma's ass and left it at that."
Now what the hell does that mean? Stop talking in riddles.
Btw, I noticed you had no reply regarding the 'portfolio' discussion that showed I KNEW EVERYTHING, and of course, you and Field knew nothing.
I guess since you had zero knowledge about the stock market, you had no choice but to take your own advice: "Put up, or STFU."
Shape up and wake up!
Mellaneous, "Interesting story Field but I am not sure the guy at the poll meant any harm, but it was a dumb thing to do. He may have been naive and ignorant more than racist."
Field, I don't know why people like Mellaneous and others are reluctant to charge John Barr with racism. If you look at his photo, it has on it written, "RACIST: JOHN BARR". Simple deduction will tell you that he's a racist.:)
I am amazed how people like Mellaneous miss the obvious.:D
@ Smashed, I don't know about other states but in Michigan you are allowed to hand out campaign literature AT the polling place, just not IN the polling place. So usually there are a few campaign workers hanging around in the parking lots.
Hmm...must be folks forget that icky math thingie...about average (median). Once the fwee market takes hold, all the smart kids are forced to move...leaving those with no options behind. And the author appears to have met one. Oh, what does happen when all the mental hospitals are closed and the local "patient" isn't violent enough for prison?
Mold
Anon 3:20 AM, you are welcome, and I co-sign with much of what you said. The President of Anon. Inc. should be proud.
"Does not carry the ring of truth IMO."
I know, everybody knows that there are no racists in Michigan.....*tipping away*
"Btw, I noticed you had no reply regarding the 'portfolio' discussion that showed I KNEW EVERYTHING, and of course, you and Field knew nothing."
Huh? Folks, please go that comments section again and see if this clown is telling the truth.
I submit to you that he is not. I am not a finance guy, but if he has been in the business for 40 years I am Sarah Palin. :)
Smashed, see what Shady said, the same is true here in Pistolvania.
"This guy is an idiot. Voting is the most meaningless activity. He'd have been better off at home pleasuring himself."
Calling the President of Anon. Inc.!! Calling the president of Anon. Inc.!!
Wesley, I co-sign with you about the N-o F-un L-eague.
Field, the black guy ought to try MY life on election day.
I don't have a drivers license or "Non-Driver's ID" so I use my military ID and voters registration card.
My voters card lists my party as "Socialist", and you should see the facial controtyions, eye-buggings, and color turnings that greet the sight of this little piece of paper.
Usually there are heated whisperings as I pass on, hostile looks in my direction, and sometimes the poll workers can't contain themselves.
One woman blurted out at high indignation/decibel level, "You should be ASHAMED of yourself"!
I have also heard "fuckhead" and "asshole" directed toward me in a somewhat more quiet way.
And I am "caucasian" ... for what good it does me.
Boss Tweed and his observation on voting always comes to mind when I vote, as does Emma Goldmann. Who the hell do I think I'm kiddin' when I "participate"?
@ Field & Granny: I play for gatherings of Republicans, Democrats and lately the Tea Party.
It might surprise you to hear that I see a whole lot more African-American folks in the crowd at the Tea Party things than all the dem/republican functions combined.
But then, a couple of years ago I played for a dem. function and heard a young woman who had not wanted to come tell her escort,
"This is nice! I thought it would be full of poor people and niggers...eeeeeewwww"!
I saw no African-American on the premesis, and I was the only poor person there.
America...! gotta love it...!
wow, what an over-reaction. any chance the guy was trying to make small talk and joking? given what he said was stupid, was it racist? did it require shouting in a voting place? FN, your man went in there already looking for a fight and he found one.
omg this guy actually tried to file a complaint to the NAACP. and they didn't respond. what a shock. racial profiling and intimidation? and like this blogger screaming in a voting place wasn't? jesus.
when i went into my polling place, a lovely black woman in her 60s greeted me and complimented me on my leather jacket and my purse, and then asked if i'd consider being an election judge. OMG, she racially profiled me!
i think these folks are taught to make small talk when voters come in. i imagine this guy is just like thrasher, can't get along with white people and constantly has a grievance that no one takes seriously.
yawn. fucking yawn.
"wow, what an over-reaction. any chance the guy was trying to make small talk and joking? given what he said was stupid, was it racist? did it require shouting in a voting place? FN, your man went in there already looking for a fight and he found one."
I'm not sure I follow you. I don't consider an awkward attempt at stereotypical/racial profiling as "small talk".
"i think these folks are taught to make small talk when voters come in. i imagine this guy is just like thrasher, can't get along with white people and constantly has a grievance that no one takes seriously.
yawn. fucking yawn."
OK, I definitely not following you.
I hate to do this, but your being a white woman and all precludes you from viewing this issue from a certain historical and current sociological perspective. Perhaps you want to make yourself clearer on what you're trying to say, for the sake of everyone else here.
And I see my man with the "portfolio" is still smarting over being called out. That was all on you, dear sir. All you had to do was show some proof.
i'm saying the same thing others have said.
maybe this guy's hair DID look `gansta.' how was he dressed? (i looked on his site and didn't see a photo).
didn't he build this into something totally huge without the guy ever saying another word? was the guy stupid and lame to say this? yes, but how did this comment rise to the level of "racial profiling? and intimidation?' did he question whether `ganstas' have the right to vote?
i have a friend in ypsy and i asked her if what she thought and whether this story has gotten any traction there. maybe she knows the guy.
These goobers know where and when they can get away with this kind of crap.
He wouldn't have said that $hit in the DC area.
Mack Lyons said...
I hate to do this, but your being a white woman and all precludes you from viewing this issue from a certain historical and current sociological perspective. Perhaps you want to make yourself clearer on what you're trying to say, for the sake of everyone else here.
I hate to do this but being you are a BM and viewing this issue from a certain historical and scatological perspective perhaps
you see the ghosts of racism everywhere you turn.
Same story with a white guy. White guy hands his ID over to the old coot election volunteer. Old Volunteer notices the guys really long hair and says how is your heavy metal satanist band doin?
Some People are so convinced everyone hates them because of their skin color that they see racism in every action and word.
Last conversation I had with someone who has proceeded to place themselves in the moron and totally ignore category is a neighbor. We were talking about movies, I couldnt remember the name of a Black actor...she called me racist, said she knows that all Blacks look alike to me...I said. No, I am just not a woman who remembers every actors name. Moral of the story. I wont even talk to this crazy racist woman anymore. She obviously is paranoid has some issues and thinks I need to kiss her ass to offset those issues.
If you want to keep lookin for reasons to be offended, keep looking you can find it in every corner. Only dont be surprised when people start ignoring you for being more trouble then you are worth or that they will NOT kiss your ass for your demanded respect you have not earned.
Mack Lyons said...
Ahem...."imbecility". Pardon.
It's ok Mack, we all know you are an imbecile and don't take your violent, racist sputterings seriously anymore.
uptownsteve said...
"These goobers know where and when they can get away with this kind of crap. He wouldn't have said that $hit in the DC area."
When uptown came to vote, they asked him why he was still wearing his Uncle Remus halloween costume. He didn't get all mad, he just smiled and did a little tap dance. Why can't we all just get along?
maria said...
omg this guy actually tried to file a complaint to the NAACP. and they didn't respond. what a shock. racial profiling and intimidation? and like this blogger screaming in a voting place wasn't? jesus.
when i went into my polling place, a lovely black woman in her 60s greeted me and complimented me on my leather jacket and my purse, and then asked if i'd consider being an election judge. OMG, she racially profiled me!
i think these folks are taught to make small talk when voters come in. i imagine this guy is just like thrasher, can't get along with white people and constantly has a grievance that no one takes seriously.
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Are you seriously comparing someone complementing you on your attire to someone calling a black gansta because he has a certain hairstyle?
This idiot did it not once but twice.
Maybe he was trying to make small talk but he should have noticed that the guy didn't react to his first statement positively and should have kept his mouth shut.
These racism chaser stories get more and more absurd because the fiction of Black oppression gets harder and harder to maintain. The election of Barack Obama has endangered the myth of a Racist Amerikka. In this environment the convention that structural disadvantages and white attitudes account for the lack of black success in business and the professions, for disproportionate rates of incarceration and poverty, for the whole host of ills for which each white individually is daily hectored to feel responsibility, as a feature of collective guilt, is not merely unsupportable, it's absurd.
Barack Obama effortlessly assumes the mantle of grievance for the greatest sins of the nation--slavery, segregation, disenfranchisement. But, contrary to the habitual assumption, his unique personal history gives him not a greater understanding of this history, having neither the typical black American nor typical white American experience, but a lesser understanding. Barack Obama stood outside of this epic dynamic, looking on with envy. His choice of a fabricated identity on one side of it should disabuse us of the assumed inherent misery and unfairness imposed upon black America--no one is so fortunate to be born an American than an African American. There is no cachet in being white.
There is no historical precedent for America; yet, the more liberal, the more meritocratic our society becomes, the deeper the resentment of inequality--and, contrary to our hoary egalitarian assumptions, we can expect increasing material inequality as the result of increasing equal opportunity. The more evident this becomes the more fiercely defended the taboo against questioning collective guilt as a model for race relations. The absence of comprehensive societal equality requires ever more fanciful explanations; ever greater expressions of commitment to equality of results are required of public servants; ever greater denunciations of a nation that has taken historically unprecedented actions to achieve it. This is the pathological behavior of a neurotic society. The nation yearns for a climax, a final act of absolution. It stubbornly recedes the more we strive for it. Thus Barack.
To maintain the taboo, any resentment of this must be equated with bigotry; skeptics are ostracized and deprived of status. Propagandists distinguish themselves fashioning rationales and assigning blame for a distressing reality. In America the civil rights movement has made the familiar trek from revolution to totalitarianism.
He should have walked out of the polling area. Why vote for the lesser of two evils? It never works.
I can see why he reported the jerk though. He and the d-bag who encountered him at the polling place probably have nasty cases of Unwarranted Self-Importance.
D. Dale
Now that you've finished your "American Renaissance" rant could you answer a couple of questions for me?
If racism is a myth.......
Why do most white Americans (80%) live in monochromatic neighborhoods?
Why has the diverse Democratic party failed to recieve a majority of the white American vote in a Presidential election in 50 years?
How can the election of Barack Obama be proof of American non-racism when Obama
a. did not receive a majority of white American votes
b. The surging power of the Tea Party is based on anti-black sentiment
This guy should have been reported to the election commission or some voter watchdog organization. Actually race has nothing to do with it. He was there to assist the voter, not to questioned unless he asked for what is required in that state, e.i. ID, voter registration card, etc.
@uptownsteve:
I'll take this one.
Living with other people of similar backgrounds makes one racist? Does this apply to everyone, or just whites?
And are you seriously asking why the party committed to the diminishment of white America has not received a majority of the white vote in 50 years? Seriously?
a) Um, you answered this question yourself when you asked why democrats haven't received a majority of the white vote in 50 years. He received about the same percentage of the white vote as previous white democratic candidates did; therefore race was not a discernible factor.
b) That is a completely indefensible assertion based on propaganda designed to de-legitimize the movement.
You're too easy, stevie.
"Living with other people of similar backgrounds makes one racist? Does this apply to everyone, or just whites?"
No Jethro.
The deliberate avoidance of living around non-whites, the immediate moving or selling upon the arrival of non-whites makes one a racist.
"And are you seriously asking why the party committed to the diminishment of white America has not received a majority of the white vote in 50 years? Seriously?"
Please give me an example of how the Democratic party is committed to the diminishment of white America?
Are you suggesting that the mere participation of blacks in the political process is a "diminishment of whites"????
The Civil Rights Act was attack on whites??
LMAO!!!!
Talk about easy!
"That is a completely indefensible assertion based on propaganda designed to de-legitimize the movement."
Oh really?
http://politicsandpucks.blogspot.com/2010/07/evidence-of-tea-party-racism.html
uptownsteve said...
"Living with other people of similar backgrounds makes one racist? Does this apply to everyone, or just whites?"
No Jethro.
Now calling someone you perceive to be white "Jethro" is clearly racist and offensive. You should practice what you preach if you are against racism, you racist.
Calling a racist Jethro is completely accurate.
Now do you mind meeting my challenge?
"Please give me an example of how the Democratic party is committed to the diminishment of white America?"
Unless of course you just pulled your assertion out of your backside.
uptownsteve said...
These goobers know where and when they can get away with this kind of crap.
He wouldn't have said that $hit in the DC area.
Really? Why is that? What would have happened if this kind of "crap" was pulled in the DC area? If you keep callin "whites" goobers, then don't get insulted when they start calling you a dumb coon. You don't have the right to be offensive and racist and not expect retort.
So tell me, what would reputation do people in DC have that you are convinced someone needs to kiss Ass? Tell me..
uptownsteve said...
Calling a racist Jethro is completely accurate.
Now do you mind meeting my challenge?
"Please give me an example of how the Democratic party is committed to the diminishment of white America?"
Unless of course you just pulled your assertion out of your backside.
So the guy who disagreed with your point of view is racist, thus you justify your racist name calling.
Is that all the intellectual power you can summon? Anyone who disagrees with you is a "racist" Well, that fits perfectly into the democratic mantra. Cant discuss logic and facts because reality is evident. So then they immediately slidestep into character assination and name calling.
Stop projecting. First of all no one gives a shit what people like you think anymore. Second of all, the minute you end a discussion with the racist mantra anyone with logic sees that YOU are the racist who is projecting.
I guess he's not going answer.
ROTFLMBAO!!!!!
So much for the Bell Curve theory.
Nice strawman argument uptown. No, the Civil Rights was not an "attack on whites", it was, among other things, a positive re-affirmation of American ideals.
The democratic party is committed to a racial spoils society where favored groups and classes are given special status, all at the expense of whites (particularly white males).
Why would a working class white male support a party that is committed to policies that penalize him for the color of his skin?
I don't blame blacks for supporting a democratic party that pays out favors to them based on the color of their skins. Why wouldn't they? At least until the day the chains attached to the handouts get too heavy to ignore any more. But we have along way down to get that point, don't we steve?
I'll try again. After decades of unprecedented state action and an opening up of the culture none would have imagined possible, the foreseen idyll of perfect racial equality and its ensuing harmony has faded into the harsh reality of a stubborn inequality. Inequality increasingly reveals itself as the predictable result of a society unprecedented in both its fairness and ethnic diversity.
But this cannot be said. Even as blacks gain cultural influence disproportionate to their numbers but not talents, they continue to lag in the professions and business pursuits. Meanwhile, other minority groups advance disproportionately as well up through the ranks of society. The rate of change, the opening up of opportunity in a society that not long was as segregated as the rest of the world remains to this day is nothing short of revolutionary.
It isn't only that Barack Obama renders the white/black reparations dynamic absurd. The nascent Diversity State finds itself too soon and too totally triumphant. The bogey of white oppression threatens to become no longer plausible, and those groups assigned varying stature within the hierarchy of grievance are already eyeing one another uneasily.
The regions from where America's "disadvantaged minorities" originate cannot compare in wealth, opportunity or liberty. Resentment of this humiliating reality feeds into that encouraged by the dishonest class of political opportunists represented by Obama. The language of civil rights has become an affront, no longer condemnatory of practice but of a people and a nation: the long history of Western civil liberties is only begun with the American civil rights movement and invalidated by the interlude of American slavery.
A multiracial democratic republic worthy of the name will defend equality before the law against those who equate it with equality of results. It's too late in the game to deny that fairness in hiring and education produces racial inequality--inequality that, as we've seen, does not necessarily benefit the majority. Ethnic diversity and democracy are thus at odds. This was once a given; now it is heresy. But it is heresy only because we think it's awful that it should be so. Thus far we have chosen not to reconcile a diverse population to democracy, but to reconcile democracy to a diverse population. This may be inevitable. But, the truth is always worth knowing and no subterfuge lasts forever.
i want to see the pic of him first and know what his hair looks like before i make a judgement call. he might of had "gangsta" cut into his head for all i know.
"The democratic party is committed to a racial spoils society where favored groups and classes are given special status"
What friggin "special status"???
You mean the status of being 3 times more likely to be jailed for an offense that a white person would get rehab or probation for?
Or maybe the status of being 50% more likely to have your resume trashed for having a "black sounding" name?
Are you totally insane?
No, you are a living example of the racism of conservatives.
They continue to peddle the lie that any advancement of black people is at the expense of whites or that blacks get "special favors" unavailable to whites.
It is a bold-faced lie and proof positive of racism.
Sarge, "@ Field & Granny: I play for gatherings of Republicans, Democrats and lately the Tea Party.
It might surprise you to hear that I see a whole lot more African-American folks in the crowd at the Tea Party things than all the dem/republican functions combined.
But then, a couple of years ago I played for a dem. function and heard a young woman who had not wanted to come tell her escort,
"This is nice! I thought it would be full of poor people and niggers...eeeeeewwww"!"
Sarge, thank you for telling the truth. I am Black, and that has been my observance with the GOP and Tea Party. And they are becoming more and more diverse.
Last week when Granny was ranting about the Tea Party and GOP being racist and attacking Obama because he was Black, I mentioned that the Tea Party and GOP was no more racist than Democrats and might even be less so. But let Granny tell it, they are nothing but racists and the Dems are the good guys because they elected Obama.
At least Field appears to check himself, from to time, that he 'might' have a drop of racism in him. But it's clear that Granny NEVER does. It's ALWAYS "somebody else".
D. Dale@ 12:39p-I agree and thanks for once again trying to clarify what UTS missed. You will find that he lacks the intellectual capacity to understand anything except his own narcissistic opinions. He is incapable of observing or hearing anything new or insightful. He is only capable of laughing his ass off like at things he doesn't understand...like an uncle ruckus.
You are wasting your time with UTS, which is why so many of us don't bother to respond to him.
@ uptonsteve
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Logic and facts are not your forte, are they? You one again confuse outcome with opportunity, and poor results with rigged rules.
Blacks have been given every advantage for 50 years now. How do you square this reality with your assertion that there is some external drag on black achievement? Whatever it is, it is not white racism that results in black America's continued wallowing in the morasse of resentment and failure.
"Blacks have been given every advantage for 50 years now."
Wow. Finally granted the same first class citizenship that whites had since this countries conception is now an "advantage"?
And I love it when toothless inbred trash like you rant about black "failure".
I bet every black poster on this board (except Anon-Tom) could buy and sell your sorry ass ten times over.
"You are wasting your time with UTS, which is why so many of us don't bother to respond to him."
LMAO!!!!
Classic goober response when caught in a lie.
"I bet every black poster on this board (except Anon-Tom) could buy and sell your sorry ass ten times over."
Sure sounds like a disadvantaged, oppressed bunch, huh steve?
Yo goober,
In case you haven't noticed, you NEVER heard that oppressed bull$hit from me.
In fact the only people I hear talking about "reparations" are racist clowns like you who can't deal with blacks like myself living in communities of half-million dollar homes while you're pumping up the tires on your trailer.
This uptown character reminds me of a quote:
There may be honour among thieves, but there's none in politicians. And let's have no displays of indignation. You may not have known, but you certainly had suspicions. If we've told lies, you've told half-lies. And a man who tells lies, like me, merely hides the truth. But a man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put it."
--Mr. Dryden, Lawrence of Arabia
Uptownsteve's web of deception is as flimsy as it is opaque. He not only has no idea where to find the truth, he has utterly abandoned any need for it.
Steve, did you read what grinder... I mean, what Maria said?
If that was some ignorant dismissive white guy in denial who had said all that, you woulda...
Keep talking Maria, just let it all out sweetie.
D. Dale @ 12:39: "The language of civil rights has become an affront, no longer condemnatory of practice but of a people and a nation"
Beautifully succinct, one sentence description of the pathology that "anti-racism" has become.
LAA
Stop trying to convince me that de white woman is my enemy.
lmao!!!!!
"The language of civil rights has become an affront, no longer condemnatory of practice but of a people and a nation"
Looks like the freeper crowd has infested your board Field.
Lots of amorphous Orwellian bullcrap without a shred of evidence to back it up.
BTW, if any blacks on this board have received the "black handout money" these goobers claim we all get from the government, can you please tell me where I can apply?
Tuition, mortgage and car payments are kicking me in the ass.
For the record, I can't say for sure what Barr's intentions were. I doubt it had anything to do with the political circumstances.
Still, I do think Barr was racially "profiling" Tafari, but in attempt to make one of those "guy jokes", perhaps he didn't mean to be malicious.
You see, that's one of the burdens black men in general will bear due to the gansta rap crap culture they don't seem to think is doing black men and women harm. Others are observing and some black males actually DO seem to take pride in being tough and gansta). Barr may have thought he was giving a black guy a "black man compliment". LOL.
However, Barr was clearly inappropriate and should have used better judgment and professionalism due to the seriousness of the circumstances. And I think Tafari has a right to his feelings also, yet someone else would have preferred to put Barr on his p's and q's without letting things get to that escalated point.
"You see, that's one of the burdens black men in general will bear due to the gansta rap crap culture they don't seem to think is doing black men and women harm."
So you're saying before gangsta rap arrived, black men were judged solely on the content of their character?
Some of you negroes must have been dropped on your heads at birth.
Loved the meme that Democrats were giving things away at the expense of the somehow more competent and deserving wites.
Compare...Sarey Palin with a -ahem- checkered academic and work history with past grifting practices...to Barak Obama, a law professor.
dr wite, did you also find your degree online at the Colege of Universitiy of Hahvard? I feel I must point out that many of the posters actually attended those elite things known as colleges. This is not the audience you are more familiar with.
Mold
"Compare...Sarey Palin with a -ahem- checkered academic and work history with past grifting practices...to Barak Obama, a law professor."
Ahem, Barack Obama is President. Sarah Palin is not.
You deny the existence of Affirmative Action? How interesting.
And btw, Obama was an "associate" law professor, one who was widely regarded as the weakest academic mind in his department.
Anonymous
"You deny the existence of Affirmative Action? How interesting."
puh-leeze.
Conservatives started dismantling AA almost as soon as it was implemented.
And all it ever was but a very modest program designed to open doors for those who had been shut out.
Meanwhile anti-black discrimination never went anywhere but covert and is practiced daily.
Bush stacks the EEOC with ideologues who don't even believe in the agencies right to exist.
A 5 year backlog of complaints.
Meanwhile every time some white guy yells "reverse discrimination" his case gets greased all the way up to the Supreme Court.
With Uncle Slappy Thomas, the ultimate AA baby, ruling for the white plaintiff.
@uptownsteve: You are absolutely insane.
And btw, Obama was an "associate" law professor, one who was widely regarded as the weakest academic mind in his department.
Weakest Academic mind? Where the hell did you get this from, Anon? He was a respected associate law professors, like many practicing professionals.
If you don't like the man's politics - cool, we all have our opinions. But please stop trying to play the whole "Obama is an AA baby with no credentials" nonsense when the Right wing wants to crown Sister Sarah, whose grasp of anything more complex than fly fishing and triangle offense is questionable.
Wow, wingnuts pull more crap out of there hindquarters than a draft horse with diarrhea.
On second thoughts this idiot should have gone in while pleasuring himself. Two ineffectual activities make one hell of a day.
@ LACoincidental:
Here’s what Barack Obama’s Chicago law colleagues thought of him:
“The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).”
fuck u lac fly fishing is complicated ya coohole! always talkin out cher asshole nucka eye bet cher ass aint never caught no fish at all ya ignint snob! see who will survive when the end comes...not cher ass idgit!
La♥audiobooks said...
Steve, did you read what grinder... I mean, what Maria said?
If that was some ignorant dismissive white guy in denial who had said all that, you woulda...
Keep talking Maria, just let it all out sweetie.
2:23 PM
La♥audiobooks said...
For the record, I can't say for sure what Barr's intentions were. I doubt it had anything to do with the political circumstances.
Still, I do think Barr was racially "profiling" Tafari, but in attempt to make one of those "guy jokes", perhaps he didn't mean to be malicious.
You see, that's one of the burdens black men in general will bear due to the gansta rap crap culture they don't seem to think is doing black men and women harm. Others are observing and some black males actually DO seem to take pride in being tough and gansta). Barr may have thought he was giving a black guy a "black man compliment". LOL.
However, Barr was clearly inappropriate and should have used better judgment and professionalism due to the seriousness of the circumstances. And I think Tafari has a right to his feelings also, yet someone else would have preferred to put Barr on his p's and q's without letting things get to that escalated point.
2:49 PM
"for the record," "sweetie," you agreed with everything i said. thanks!
the link the anon provided at 416PM was pretty straight forward showing that the nucka yall elected president really is an empty shirt c'mon yall been had!
anon/lac:
i despise obama
he was a great law prof though
wish he had stuck to his niche
The young law professor stood apart in too many ways to count. At a school where economic analysis was all the rage, he taught rights, race and gender. Other faculty members dreamed of tenured positions; he turned them down. While most colleagues published by the pound, he never completed a single work of legal scholarship.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30law.html
"Living with other people of similar backgrounds makes one racist? Does this apply to everyone, or just whites?"
This wouldn't be so bad if the racial component wasn't included in many whites' motives (conscious and subconscious) for moving to/from and living in a certain area. Many people cite "crime" as a reason for living in or moving to/from an area. Sometimes it is a legitimate concern. Other times it's a codeword for "too many niggers in this neighborhood for my tastes".
"Are you suggesting that the mere participation of blacks in the political process is a "diminishment of whites"????"
He is. He is unhappy how Blacks are no longer the quiet servants and house-keeps that kept to themselves and serviced the White community while staying out of their way, never causing a fuss.
"“The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).”
The "lazy nigger" stereotype. The more things change.....
Oh, and this:
"Unfortunately, unless we can identify the person quoted in the early paragraphs (the highest tenured law faculty member), what he is quoted as saying won't be taken seriously. Can you identify the individual and have him vouch for his comments? Otherwise we only have opinions from an anonymous source - not worth very much really."
I bet you they couldn't.
as all persons anywhere
it depends on who u asked
his stodgy peers hated him
his students loved him
only my students matter to me
ditto for hobama
I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about “Barry.” Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn’t even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn’t have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.
The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).
http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/03/chicago-law-professor-on-obama-the-professors-hated-him-because-he-was-lazy-unqualified-never-attended-any-of-the-faculty-meetings/
anon/lac:
he really is indefensible in all arenas
i take that back...oops!
looks like hobama lied about the prof thing too!!
shame!!!
statement Thursday saying Sen. Barack Obama "served as a professor" in the law school -- but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed on Friday.
"He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an assistant dean for communications and lecturer in law at the school.
The U. of C. statement was posted on the school's Web site two days after the Clinton campaign issued a memo headlined: "Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama's Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/867973,CST-NWS-sweet30.article
laa:
ditto
maria is grinder is swirled drag.
shut up ya dumbass idgit buceta stanks u aint have nothing to say bitch sit down and shut the phukkkkkkkkk up chrick!
and u r a liar mack the guy is an opportunist who talks loud and aint say shit ure just defending him cuz hes black find another guy thats more competent to put on a pedastol cuz he aint reppin well!
and as usual the resident kuntlicker finds some reason to bother maria u incompetent lyin sack of shit go pick on someone ur own size um like a elephant or something ya tusk wearing coohole!
maria:
your vulgar ghetto mammy maid vdlr knows her place and yours.
you are a moronic mouse.
she is your tiny turds.
that made my day!
tweak your retard wench asap...
Dear Field, re: gold/silver, here's confirmation about that...you missed the train...I am right, and you are wrong:
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/11/08/bernanke-fires-stage-two-of-the-gold-and-silver-ro.aspx
It hurts, doesn't it?:D
lac:
ditto
hobama is NOT an AA baby
but he is indeed a CIA baby
bet!!!
and kudos to the bush family that takes superb care of their dumb kin for real!!!
This is not the audience you are more familiar with.
Mold
Your right, the spelling gives you away. Affirmative action schooling?
shut up kuntlicker
vdlr:
another long cold weekend huh?
ya still sound really UNlicked!!!
fyi
Hilarious @ Tafari saying that he had civil rights flashbacks. I feel you.
Thanks for sharing the interesting read.
I too experienced all kinds of unexplainable behavior during the recent voting process (I didn't vote, but I helped a college classmate in her campaign for Judge) and true enough it bothered me, but I somewhat expect certain people to act certain ways, especially during the times where they feel like one is more privileged than the other.
America, mane.
D. Dale: Ike Turner
uptownsteve: Tina Turner
Maria, two people may appear to be saying the same thing, but despite said similarities, the coinciding conclusion may still derive from a different backdrop of thoughts and ideals.
While I think I came to my conclusion out of genuine practicality and fairness, I'm inclined to believe you came up with yours through white denial and that calculating pretentiousness of yours.
You're welcome sweetie.
Maria, ""for the record," "sweetie," you agreed with everything i said. thanks!"
This why I am so glad you are back! You put LAA in her place, and you teach AB a thing or two on how to slay a Chicagoan.
"After decades of unprecedented state action and an opening up of the culture none would have imagined possible, the foreseen idyll of perfect racial equality and its ensuing harmony has faded into the harsh reality of a stubborn inequality. Inequality increasingly reveals itself as the predictable result of a society unprecedented in both its fairness and ethnic diversity."
So are you saying that inequality is an inherent condition that should be tolerated and that the pursuit of ethnic diversity and fairness is ultimately futile since it, in your own opinion, changes nothing? I wonder if the same was said about "Separate but Equal" and segregation in general.
"But this cannot be said. Even as blacks gain cultural influence disproportionate to their numbers but not talents, they continue to lag in the professions and business pursuits. Meanwhile, other minority groups advance disproportionately as well up through the ranks of society. The rate of change, the opening up of opportunity in a society that not long was as segregated as the rest of the world remains to this day is nothing short of revolutionary."
A lot of people overlook the generational and institutional effects that slavery and the general mistreatment of Blacks for generations on end left behind. Blacks don't have the luxury of leaving behind the negative connotations bestowed upon them as do their immigrant counterparts, unless Blacks decide to emigrate to another country. It also explains why most Blacks end up achieving more in other countries than they would if they remained here. It doesn't excuse some of the behaviors seen in the "ghetto/hood", but you have to wonder if years of being portrayed collectively as the gum on the sole of White America's boot has caused them to consign themselves and even revel in the "permanent underclass" status that America seemed to assign towards them.
"It isn't only that Barack Obama renders the white/black reparations dynamic absurd. The nascent Diversity State finds itself too soon and too totally triumphant. The bogey of white oppression threatens to become no longer plausible, and those groups assigned varying stature within the hierarchy of grievance are already eyeing one another uneasily."
Oh. Just because the federal government decides to throw Blacks a bone after mistreating them for generations on end does not suddenly absolve America's involvement in retarding the progress of Black America, nor should it automatically assign 100% blame to Blacks for not emulating the immigrant population, most whom have never been mistreated or blocked in the manner that Blacks have been blocked for so long.
"A multiracial democratic republic worthy of the name will defend equality before the law against those who equate it with equality of results. It's too late in the game to deny that fairness in hiring and education produces racial inequality--inequality that, as we've seen, does not necessarily benefit the majority."
Equating Affirmative Action with inequality, given the history of this country, is rather comical. If you want to see genuine inequality in action, you can rescind Affirmative Action and watch as the largely White employers of this nation's industries practice hiring polices based not on pure merit, as you'd ideally want, but on recruiting those the majority would feel most "comfortable" with, even if it means overlooking a Black hire with solid credentials for a White hire with slightly lesser credentials but with the similar appearance and mindset as the vast majority of his soon-to-be peers within the company.
"Your right, the spelling gives you away. Affirmative action schooling?"
Ah yes, the belief that the Affirmative Action hire is somehow inferior to other hires because he or she was hired "because of their race". Legacy hires and cases of nepotism don't get the same sort of scorn.
These people should just man up and admit that they hate Blacks and anything that helps Blacks. At least they'll be respected for their honesty and forthcomingness. It leads me to believe that our parents and grandparents had an easier time fighting during the Civil Rights era. At least the enemy was out there, front and center, telling everyone who he was and how unashamed he was for being.
mack uve really been rambling lately r ya going senile or something?
shit you even talked more than buceta breaf sockpuppet today what gives magne? r ya lonely?
at least u have something to say though unlike that nasty buceta sniffing ugly ass coohole!
muah muah muah
Mack Lyons said:
"So are you saying that inequality is an inherent condition that should be tolerated"
Inequality of opportunity should never be tolerated; inequality of outcome is inevitable in an unbiased system (see the National Basketball Association).
"It also explains why most Blacks end up achieving more in other countries than they would if they remained here."
That is quite simply not true. American blacks are the richest, best educated, healthiest black population on the planet. They have achieved the highest levels of success throughout american society including, you may have noticed, the Presidency.
"nor should it automatically assign 100% blame to Blacks for not emulating the immigrant population"
Once again, you miss the point. Eventually (perhaps quite soon) whites will no longer be the majority. Do you think the new majority will be as accommodating towards blacks as whites are? I don't.
"If you want to see genuine inequality in action, you can rescind Affirmative Action and watch as the largely White employers of this nation's industries practice hiring polices based not on pure merit"
Do you really think the only reason blacks have jobs is affirmative action? What a low opinion you have as regards the competitiveness of black America. Companies that don't take the best employees can't compete with companies who hire on merit. That's the beauty of capitalism.
and u is slippin off ur game magne what about the foul usage of 'your' rather than you're? u can do betta magne betta
Once again, you miss the point. Eventually (perhaps quite soon) whites will no longer be the majority. Do you think the new majority will be as accommodating towards blacks as whites are? I don't.anon740PM
why is it only the anon commentators make sense? sheeeeeit!!!!! yall cant see how the messicans be treatin black folk or the indians tryin they best to be seen as honorary white folks sheeeit everybody wanna be a nigga but aint nobody wanna be a nigga eyem tellin yall the messicans the dark skint east indians that hate anything black they will fuck yall up and yall still talk about the white man but his ass is going extinct ya cooholes! we are in 2010 yall wake up and stop this black white shit its obsolete!
Inequality of opportunity should never be tolerated; inequality of outcome is inevitable in an unbiased system (see the National Basketball Association).
So I guess you buy into the white basketball league meme? First of all, you're recruited to the NBA because you're Black, NBA players are recruited on athletic prowess and height. Now, given the selective breeding during slavery (yes, my people were bred like horse), a focus of athletics as an outlet and cultural reasons, you find a lot of Black guys in the NBA.
Also, you once again ignore history. You do realize that until recently, Blacks simply weren't allowed to compete in America's major sports (baseball, basketball, football, boxing). It took great strides by many athletes to integrate American sports.
But there I go, pointing out historical facts and analysis.
*not recruited* - typo
Mack Lyons said...
"It leads me to believe that our parents and grandparents had an easier time fighting during the Civil Rights era."
They sure did. It must be hell having to try to maintain an absurd level if indignation in the face of miniscule remnants of white racism. Some doofus asked a brother if he was gangsta rapper at a polling place? Why damn, that's just like Bull Connor getting the firehose out on my grandpappy's ass!
The civil rights movement has moved from heroism to farce, and you don’t get the joke.
"But there I go, pointing out historical facts and analysis."
No, there you go making absolutely no sense whatsover. Do you not think the NBA is a meritocratic industry? Why don't whites make up 75% of the players? There is no affirmative action in basketball.
D. Dale @ 12:39: "The language of civil rights has become an affront, no longer condemnatory of practice but of a people and a nation"'
What exactly is the "language of civil rights"? And why should a nation that was built on unequal practices not be condemned if it repeats those practices?
"That is quite simply not true. American blacks are the richest, best educated, healthiest black population on the planet. They have achieved the highest levels of success throughout american society including, you may have noticed, the Presidency."
I love it when people mention how a biracial man made it to the presidency, as though that washes away untold generations of Black mistreatment and inequality. Meanwhile, Blacks enjoy the disproportionally highest rates of incarceration, poverty and lack of education. The wealthiest Blacks are not in finance, medicine, heavy industry or mainstream media, nor do they have their hands on the levers of this country's socioeconomic engine -- they're entertainers and athletes, two occupations where they can influence people's perceptions but ultimately can't direct the real flow of power for any geniunely positive use.
"Do you really think the only reason blacks have jobs is affirmative action? What a low opinion you have as regards the competitiveness of black America. Companies that don't take the best employees can't compete with companies who hire on merit. That's the beauty of capitalism."
Wonderful how you reverse the argument by saying I'm the one who has a low opinion of Black America's competitiveness. When you have an entire country that holds a collective vision of Blacks as "physically strong yet feeble minded thugs and buffoons", it's hard for a lone Black American to overcome such a wrongheaded perception and encourage others to disabuse themselves of such. Not when it's constantly reinforced on a day-to-day basis.
Companies are no longer competing on any merits other than subterfuge, sheer size and staying power. You'll see this once NBC and Comcast combine into an odious media comglomerate verging on monopoly status. General Motors, pre-Obama, represented the sort of nepotic power structure that left it a literal zombie, filled to the brim with incompetent executives and managers and a largely lackadaisial workforce. The current economic meltdown was caused by sheer greed, plain and simple.
"The civil rights movement has moved from heroism to farce, and you don’t get the joke."
That's the problem. You see the Civil Rights Movement as a joke. Those niggers should never had made such a fuss....
"The civil rights movement has moved from heroism to farce, and you don’t get the joke."
I wonder who is laughing?
FN, you gotta understand what it's like in A2/Ypsi land. i lived there for many years. now, i have light skin, and maybe that made a difference, but my very dark skinned bro in law? no, he and i agree on this one, for all we are utterly unlike in almost every other way.
A2/Ypsi is a paradise, compared to much of the rest of Flyoverland. hell, one could even argue they are so, because all those better, smarter, richer people from "the" coasts come here to go to college. you know, the ones who didn't get into Penn or Haavaad or B'kley even tho they folk had the money. Zingerman's, my friend. study it, as a socio-economic example, or Steve's. or the bookstores. you know, all that fabulous culture that only comes from better regions where corn and pigs aren't the basis of wealth, but somehow ended up in enclaves here.
anyway, i'm totally not surprised. which is to say, our Klansmen are getting rowdy these days, in these here them good old boy parts. the closet case, i mean, Klansman in the photo? meh. he's all over now, and Large and In Charge, here. shorter me: da white folks, in a depression, shore up and keep all the positions of power and intimidate us, when and 'cause they can. bloggers in MI have for several years now referred to this place as "New DepressionLand" because it is. like, the Great Depression, only uglier and with more killing and less money. or i think the shorthand yall know: "feral detoit." i moved from DC to central MI recently, so i hope you'll trust my perspective when i say i know of what i speak, economically?
i left some comments at the brother's blog. he's so young and cute, and gosh i love those red braids of his. so state and main, my friend! /A2 joke/
but i told him i don't know why he would think a poor, regular, "nobody" with red braids and a blog would garnish the attention of the en-double-aye, even the local chapters. heh, let alone the "voting officials." plueeze. i guess he's young and has to learn this lesson. the "official" organizations which are assigned to look out for our causes and injustices against us? um, powerless and impotent and unhearing. on purpose. unless one has a billion dollars, like Vern or somebody like that.
"No, there you go making absolutely no sense whatsover. Do you not think the NBA is a meritocratic industry? Why don't whites make up 75% of the players? There is no affirmative action in basketball."
Team owners are not recruiting Black players out of some obligation to right a moral wrong. When it became apparent that Black players could outperform White players by an obsurd margin and that any team that wouldn't recruit Black players would end up being crushed, then and only then did Black players flood the NBA, NFL and college sports. I'm not sure how that would fit into your meritocratic narrative.
Meanwhile, the only places in the NFL that still have a notable White presence are within the ownership, the coaching staff and the quarterback position. It's funny how White players are still being groomed for the QB job.
field negro said...
D. Dale @ 12:39: "The language of civil rights has become an affront, no longer condemnatory of practice but of a people and a nation"'
Because committing an actual transgression is no longer needed as a prerequisite for guilt; it is enough to be white and american.
But we all know this. In the absence of honesty and rationality, race relations in the United States constitute a tightly controlled market of sorts where the humiliation of racial inequality is negotiated using proxies such as these manufactured controversies and their attendant "dialogues." Because the official mandate is an unachievable equality of results, naturally occurring inequality constitutes a continuing, compounding debt that is serviced by such as these conspicuous sacrifices (John Barr, Don Imus, the Duke lacrosse team, etc.); they are interest payments of a sort.
But it isn't only the delicate pride of black America that is served; white America purchases something, albeit at an increasing premium. There exists on the part of the majority an ever present fear, sustained by the knowledge that the expectation of equality can never be met but is increasingly expected. The majority lives in a state of continual unease, as violence in the form of riots (called "uprisings" or "rebellions") and street crime is characterized by the culture (through the romance of rap and cinema) as a legitimate means of achieving equity when all else fails (and all else is certain to fail in the end).
Thus, as the influential classes implicitly understand and acknowledge, it isn't a question of truth, or, ironically, justice, but a question of assuaging the resentment of one group and the fear of another, thus the ceremonial and conspicuous displays of pilfered wealth, the ritual debasement of "privileged" Great White Defendants, and the reward of status for those who manage this market.
But a market based on an increasingly obvious falsity cannot last. The fiction is becoming an industry joke. The divide between reality and the market grows, and is harder and harder to conceal. The posted prices bear no relation to real-world valuations. The market strains. How will its collapse unfold? What will take its place?
Mack Lyons said..."I'm not sure how that would fit into your meritocratic narrative."
Are you really that dense? That was my point: the NBA is a purely meritocratic, fair employer, and it's employees are NOT made up of a workforce that represents the diversity of the society as a whole. One group (blacks) out performs the others.
In 2010 America, purely meritocratic employers are the norm. The question is then, why do we insist that their workforces, from top to bottom, exactly represent the percentage of the various groups that make up society as a whole?
No matter how hard whites worked at it, it is unlikely that they could earn 75% of the NBA roster spots purely on merit. Right?
By the same token, no matter how hard they study, blacks will probably never make up 12% of mathmatics Phd students.
As a diverse society, we will have to someday accept the reality that one cannot have equality of opportunity AND equality of outcome. Unless it is restricted artificially (i.e. affirmative action) talent will inevitably rise to the top.
Sorry Mr. Field, I have no sympathy for the Brother. He lost me when he was contemplating not voting.
"But we all know this. In the absence of honesty and rationality, race relations in the United States constitute a tightly controlled market of sorts where the humiliation of racial inequality is negotiated using proxies such as these manufactured controversies and their attendant "dialogues."
That has got to be one of the most absurd comments I have ever read from someone who seems to be able to put two thoughts together. "MANUFACTURED CONTROVERSIES"? Okaaay, I guess getting pulled over and shot in your own driveway because of the color of your skin is "manufactured". Please don't let me get out my Air R's and start chasing. I would be running all night.
BTW, there is really no dialogue. A dialogue would require two people who are BOTH willing to acknowledge a problem.
I'm sorry but I just had to laugh at the comment about the Democrats being the anti-white party. Since the founding of this country there has been an absolute bias towards white males and everything legal and illegal was done to keep them in power. Sure, Rush Limbaugh and others of his ilk make millions peddling the myth of white male persectution but since they benefitted from Affirmative Action for so many years the myth of the hard working white male was endangered so they did what they do best, ignore real history and make up their own. You see it now as Beckkk tries to imply it was white conservatives who were really behind the civil rights movement when in reality they opposed it. They tried this crap in the airlines as white males make up about 85% of all professional pilots but they started whining about all the Blacks and women "stealing" their jobs. White males cannot get over the notion that they are just like everyone else, no more intelligent or hard working than me or you. Because they bought into the myth of racial superiority they have to suppress the inate abilities of other groups i.e. women and people of color to perpetuate this myth. It worked for years but then came the day of exposure when we proved to be just as capable and in some cases even more capable than them. This pushback you see from Dr. White and others like him is the natural response to those who fancy themselves superior without cause. I fly with enough mediocre white male pilots to know it is indeed a myth. Keep up the fight UTS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O01PUOxE5Wk&feature=related
Pilot X, I agree, that ani-white crack was kind of laughable. It was analogous to a hooker complaining about motels that charge by the hour.
field negro said...
"Pilot X, I agree, that ani-white crack was kind of laughable. It was analogous to a hooker complaining about motels that charge by the hour."
Laugh all you want, but you know it's true.
And PilotX, the only group being suppressed, by official and express policies of the federal government, is of course white males.
I have to agree that this is a most idiotic story. Why so sensitive and then shouting about racial profiling and being an ass?
Most white folks behave this way because they're fed this stereotypical stuff daily and how can you blame them when we have some brothers and sisters just waiting for an opportunity to be able to play a coon.
When I joined the Navy and went to get a haircut on the base,I was put through the ringer and the bastard had the temerity to drag the machine through my hair. I never went back and because of this experience I learned to cut my own hair. Also I remembered in High School asking a teacher for the newspapers and he gave me the sports section when I actually wanted to read the other part of the paper. Black folks go through this nonsense daily so I just don't get this guy being surprise and calling the guy a racist.
Seems to me that the guy was just being a clown and the blogger was taking himself too seriously. Why didn't he put up a picture of himself so we can get an idea of what the guy may have been talking about with regards to his hair since that was the ice breaker!
field negro said...
Pilot X, I agree, that ani-white crack was kind of laughable. It was analogous to a hooker complaining about motels that charge by the hour.
Have to agree with you there, Hookers and the democratic party, seem to go together
Anon 1:43 am, if you went to the link in the post and checked out the guy's blog you would see his picture.
Actually this is not surprising. I grew up in Ypsilanti (went to high school with his sister) and this guy is the son of a prominent attorney in Ypsilanti. Ypsilanti
is a blue collar town, mostly auto workers (both black and white). So if your parents did not work in the auto industry, you felt some kind of entitlement over those that did. Sadly, his comments are nothing new. Growing up, these type of comments were often made by those who were not part of the auto industry. Honestly, I believe there was jealousy because the auto industry (before the economic crash) was the great " economic equalizer" in Michigan. While his
father was a lawyer making six figures, he probably lived next door to someone making just as much as his father with
just a high school diploma. There was a lot of resentment.
Sounds like you answered your own question Black Man.
"All I got back from my line of questioning was a dumb ass blank stare that only an imbecile could give."
Why would you waist time with an imbecile?
Check out my new blog "Tafari Stevenson-Howard Is A Big Fat Idiot," tag- Blogger: User Profile: Unknown. This brain-dead troublemaking idiot who has a site called "Tafari's Mind Spill," wrote
a blog about me wrongly calling me a racist on "When Voting and Racism Collide," also linked to a dozen other sites. Stevenson-Howard gives a "ghetto disclaimer" on his website which apparently allows him to make as much trouble as he wants and then run away without being forced to take any responsibility for his actions. It reads, "Many of my post(sic) may be filled with typos, ignorant statements, untruths, bad English & anything else that may make me appear to be uneducated. Please note: all of these things combined make my Blog the perfect one, because you know I have issues & I am not ashamed. With this said; enjoy, fuck mistakes & read between the lines. I am a Detroit-raised son, husband, father, student, teacher, and photographer who is a blogging photographer who loves to talk a lot of shit and enjoys exotic libations." I am hoping someone can help join me in a class-action lawsuit against him and get this idiot's site shut down. Interestingly, I understand this idiot is "going through a nasty divorce" and his wife just kicked him out of the house. I am hoping that she takes him for all that she can!
Sincererly, John Barr Jr.
UPDATE: A couple of weeks ago Tafari Stevenson-Howard posted on his idiot "Mind Spill" that this year he has been badly divorced, lost the relationship with his daughters, AND declared BANKRUPTCY!
Wow, amazing! Talk about KARMA!
And the really amazing thing is that some people are probably STILL going to keep paying attention to this idiot Stevenson-Howard and his idiot rantings and demands for respect while doing idiotic behavior!
-John Barr Jr.
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