Friday, May 18, 2012

The great American white lie.

White people, I know that you are all about to be in the minority here in A-merry-ca, but take heart, there are some very smart people who believe that this whole race thing is a bunch of crap. (h/t to Daniel Hill for this story)

"The news is going around breathlessly that 50.4% of births in the US in the past 12 months were to families categorized as ethnic minorities, presaging the time when ‘whites will be a minority’ in the US.The unselfconscious deployment of these categories just takes your breath away. Who gets to decide which ones are ‘white’ and which ones ‘ethnic minorities?’

As historians such as David Roediger have shown, the idea of ‘whiteness’ is a relatively new racial category, and it has changed enormously over time.
Whiteness as it was constructed in the nineteenth century was not about skin color but about being Protestant and propertied. There were even distinctions within the group. WASP or White Anglo-Saxon Protestant did not refer to all Protestants of English heritage, but rather to a northeast elite that tended to marry within themselves and to have a disproportionate hold on political and business office. The Scottish-American elite was another subgroup (Presbyterian as opposed to Episcopalian).

So not all whites were equally white. Moreover, Catholic immigrants such as the Irish, the Poles and the Italians were either not considered white when they first came or were denoted as a lesser category of white. Jews, Arabs, Japanese and Chinese were also not considered white. Indeed, a special law was made to keep Chinese in particular out of the country.

Over time, the Catholic minorities who immigrated into the US in the big 1880-1924 wave, before racist immigration laws were implemented, became accepted as ‘white.’ In the past 30 years, Jews have been accepted as white. It is even possible, I think, to argue that middle class Blacks on the model of Bill Cosby’s the Huxtables have become ‘white.’ You’ll note that Harry Reid said of Obama the candidate that he ‘had no dialect,’ so for older ‘whites,’ blackness was in part cultural, wrought up with an imagined African-American speech pattern. Thus, the Obamas are in some sense ‘white,’ producing that odd argument about whether Obama is ‘black enough,’ which non-Americans must have found baffling.

In 1965 the US was finally too embarrassed to go on with the racist immigration laws and put a ceiling of 25,000 for each country in the world. That change kick-started a whole new big wave of immigration, which may now be ending. About a million a year had been coming, half of them from Latin America.

The Latinos have for the moment been categorized as non-white, but surely everyone can see how arbitrary that is. Many Latinos in Argentina and Brazil are of Italian ancestry. If they come to the US now, they are a ‘minority’ or ‘brown.’But their cousins who just came straight to Rhode Island are ‘white.’ For that matter, why is there a difference among people who speak Romance languages and practice Catholicism, such that a Colombian is a ‘minority’ but a Calabrian is not? And consider that if a Sephardic Jewish family of Spanish ancestry immigrates from Israel, they are ‘white,’ but Spanish Catholic families who settled in Mexico and then came to the US recently are not (that’s an interesting reversal!)

Arabs are an interesting case. I’d argue that Lebanese Christians became ‘white.’ Arab Muslims were on the verge of becoming white before 9/11 but may have been at least temporarily demoted. (They are white in the census categories, but social acceptance has fallen). My guess is that demotion is a temporary blip, since they are typically well educated and well off, and over time economic eliteness tends to produce racial eliteness in the US.
And, the old prejudices against the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox ‘Slavs’ has completely collapsed, so no one thinks Poles or other Eastern Europeans are not ‘white.’

So given the history of ‘whiteness,’ likely the new wave of Latinos will be awarded the category over time. My guess is that Asians will be, as well. Remember, it isn’t about ‘race,’ it is about a weird kind of social status. By the way, Apartheid South Africa declared Japanese to be ‘white.’

Ultimately, the whole idea of whiteness can only be kept going through a set of racial and class exclusions. Working-class African-Americans eternally get the short end of the stick. Recent immigrant groups are often excluded along with them...

.....Best of all if we can just say that in the US, we are all Americans and stop categorizing people with regard to their adaptation to ultraviolet waves. It is anyway a temporary adaptation. If you took Swedes and left them in the Congo for 13,000 years, the mothers that could shield their embryos from harsh ultraviolet rays better would be selected for, and they would be darker, and eventually the group would be ‘black.’ If you took Congolese to Sweden, the mothers that could provide their embryos vitamin D more reliably in a low UV environment would be selected for, and over time the group would get ‘white.’ (In fact, we’re all from Africa, so that is exactly what happened historically). It is a minor epidermal health issue, not a matter of character or essence. Get rid of it." [Source]

But...but...but...if we do that, how will some of us be able to claim to be superior to other people without ever doing anything?

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

"Ultimately, the whole idea of whiteness can only be kept going through a set of racial and class exclusions."

Right.

Because there's no such thing as race.

Gee, since there's no such thing as race, I wonder how sickle cell anemia is able to differentiate black people from white people...

thmoas sowell said...

whitey's conspiracy said, without irony:

...I am an authentic socialist, having seen its benefit first hand ever since I was a military brat in Europe.

Unbelievable. I'd expect a comment expressing the imaginary wonders of socialism from some dreamy kid, but, I guess the dreaminess afflicts all kinds.

So you think socialism is great, even though you yourself were part of a family PAID by US taxpayers to provide military security to Europe.

Do you have an estimate of the amount the US pays to keep Europe out of trouble, thereby relieving Europe of having to pay for its own defense?

Moreover, Spain is broke, Italy is broke and Greece is in such deep financial trouble that letting it out of the European Union may be the thread that leads to the unraveling of the entire charade.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

Whites can get CCA, it was selected for in malarial regions of West Africa because "carriers" those with one CCA gene are resistant to it while "sufferers" those with 2 CCA genes died in infancy along with the majority of all births before modern medicine and foods changed that.

you never see white folks doing this said...

more racist black mob attacks

Police: Man, 19, beaten by two groups of students downtown
The Baltimore Sun

A 19-year-old student from Baltimore Polytechnic High School told police he was beaten by two separate groups of juveniles from a rival school in downtown Baltimore on Thursday afternoon, an attack that comes amid a pitched debate over downtown safety.

According to police, the student was walking in the 200 block of W. Fayette St., a block north of the First Mariner Arena, before 4:20 p.m. when he said he was attacked from behind by an unknown male. Nine other juveniles joined in as he tried to defend himself, and his phone was taken during the attack, he told police.


Some feel city covered up extent of St. Patrick's Day violence
1st Mariner Arena Moments later, police say, an MTA bus stopped in the block and a juvenile male wearing a Digital Harbor High School shirt "forced open the door and got off the bus," followed by 19 other juveniles wearing Digital Harbor shirts, who again assaulted the victim, police said.

Anthony Guglielmi, a city police spokesman, said the victim told the police he was attacked because of a rivalry between the two schools. Guglielmi said police were coordinating with school officials to investigate the case.

The Sun reported last week that police dispatch tapes revealed a broader disturbance downtown onSt. Patrick's Daythan police had let on, and some questioned whether police had been forthcoming initially about the scope of the incident. The tapes showed police struggled to contain large groups of young people moving throughout the downtown area.

Also that night, a Virginia man was beaten and stripped of his clothing near the downtown courthouse, an attack that was caught on tape and garnered national attention.

The racial elements of that crime fed much of the outrage - the victim was white, and the attackers were all black. In Thursday's reported assault, Guglielmi said the 19-year-old victim was white and the attackers were all juvenile black males.

The reports of the St. Patrick's Day incidents prompted Baltimore County Del. Pat McDonough, a conservative radio show host, to issue a statement asking the governor to send in the Maryland State Police to control "roving mobs of black youths" at Baltimore's Inner Harbor. He said the Harbor should be declared a "no-travel zone" until safety can be ensured.

Anonymous said...

in the mind of a liberal

zimmerman is white

elizabeth warren is indian.

btw, states will list hispanics as white in crime reports.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

So you think socialism is great, even though you yourself were part of a family PAID by US taxpayers to provide military security to Europe."

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In England, as military dependents, we lived in council houses in regular neighborhoods (public housing) and used neighborhood based National Health Services just like the RAF. When the US Air Force messed up my dad's pay while he was TDY to VietNam and we had 0 dollars to live on for over 2 months, British Labour socialism gave us chits for 2 hot meals a day at the local lunchroom. Also, because my mother had 2 kids and was nursing a third, we got a free quart of whole milk a day and a dozen eggs and pound of butter a week -all delivered to our doorstep irrespective of income.

In Norway, we again, lived in public housing, we kids were fed twice a day in school, and we received our basic medical care there too just like all of the Norwegians.

At the same time in America, and this was pre great-society, public housing was gathering poverty into critical mass, and parents were more likely to lose their kids to orphanages than receive help from their government if they suddenly couldn't support them. (thats exactly what happened to one of my cousins)

I learned then, and still believe now, that making sure that everyone has enough before anyone has excess is morally right, and that societies are best served by governments which prioritize the common good over individual excess.

Dr.Reine c/o 2017 said...

Well said, Whitey!

NSangoma said...

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Anonymous 7:33 PM, Sickle Cell Anemia is not an exclusively African disease.
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Sickle cell disease affects people of many racial and ethnic groups. In the United States, 1 in 400 African-American newborns has the disease. Other people affected include Hispanics, people of Mediterranean and Middle Eastern descent, and Asians.

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http://www.cdc.gov/Features/SickleCell/

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Weez said...

Wow, what a disturbing photo!

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

"The lead detective in the case against George Zimmerman's alleged shooting of Trayvon Martin said he believes Zimmerman caused the fight by getting out of his car to confront Martin, and believes the Florida neighborhood-watch volunteer should be charged with manslaughter."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hCdykoIjmPMAgLTFzxHVIydZIECQ?docId=3f268f957ba44ecdba44ed43b71e48e1

That's what I've been saying. Zimmerman's own description makes it VOL MS. He chose to arm himself. He chose to profile Martin. He chose to stalk Martin. He chose to confront Martin. He chose to ignore the dispatcher's instructions. Martin was the one entitled to defend himself when confronted by an armed stalker. Zimmerman wasn't "standing his ground" he was getting into Martin's face.

Anonymous said...

Whitey's Conspiracy said...
"The lead detective in the case against George Zimmerman's alleged shooting of Trayvon Martin said he believes Zimmerman caused the fight by getting out of his car to confront Martin, and believes the Florida neighborhood-watch volunteer should be charged with manslaughter."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hCdykoIjmPMAgLTFzxHVIydZIECQ?docId=3f268f957ba44ecdba44ed43b71e48e1

That's what I've been saying. Zimmerman's own description makes it VOL MS. He chose to arm himself. He chose to profile Martin. He chose to stalk Martin. He chose to confront Martin. He chose to ignore the dispatcher's instructions. Martin was the one entitled to defend himself when confronted by an armed stalker. Zimmerman wasn't "standing his ground" he was getting into Martin's face.


Yes all those words Zimmerman said must have been physically damaging and required Martin to defend his honor and physically attack the guy standing in front of him.

Listen, we all know it is not safe to speak to a violent black man. We all know you think someone having the temerity to speak to one out of place and not shiver hiding in his car is outrageous and clearly in your mind warrants physical attack/deemed as defense by you.

However, in the real world and civilized nations with laws. Someone is allowed to exit their vehicle even when violent blacks are around.

Someone is allowed to speak to people, even if they are violent blacks.

Someone is allowed to carry a concealed weapon, even though violent blacks don't like the idea of others defending themselves.

Someone is allowed to think whatever they want.

The only thing not allowed is for someone to physically attack you and smack your head on the ground because they are angry, no matter why they are angry.

Do you get it yet? Break down these laws and make excuses for those who are feral and cannot control violent impulses and you will be next.

If Trayvon had acted like a human being and told Zimmerman to go fuck himself he was visiting his fathers baby mama and walked away nothing would have happened. He didn't, he got Negro angry and hit Zimmerman, then jumped on top of him and pummeled him, then smashed his head into the concrete, then got killed.

Zimmerman is not the guilty one because he gasp thought someone was acting suspicious. HE WAS. He was hidden in a hoody, weaving in and out of house off the main crosswalk, running, coming back, HE confronted Zimmerman for having the balls to dare say something to a black angry violent man.

Entire cities, neighborhoods and communities have been destroyed by idiots like you who refuse to stand up to evil, who refuse to get involved who pander and cannot tell right from wrong. If you attack someone, you are the guilty one, not the man who pissed you off. All the evidence points to self defense. Thus he was not arrested until this latest show to assuage the black violent element of our society, what a coincidence, more black violence promised unless they get their way.

Anonymous said...

Whiteys Self Loather said...

"I learned then, and still believe now, that making sure that everyone has enough before anyone has excess is morally right, and that societies are best served by governments which prioritize the common good over individual excess."

You probably do not realize that you were the recipient of capitalistic societies altruistic elements. IN real socialist countries you would have starved unless you had connections to those in power and or something of worth for immediate trade.

Russia, China, South Korea. They are all real examples of socialism. It doesn't work, causes deaths and hardship and enslaves entire populations. Millions were executed under socialism, capatalism and the bounty reaped for all literally feeds the world and apparantly you as well in your youth.

thomas sowell said...

whitey says:

I learned then, and still believe now, that making sure that everyone has enough before anyone has excess is morally right, and that societies are best served by governments which prioritize the common good over individual excess.

Yet you live in the US where the "to each according to his need and from each according to his ability" is not the law of the land.

However, with respect to food among the less affluent, there is an obesity problem, and with respect to housing, the ever increasing supply of government-subsidized sites is always trailing behind the more quickly increasing demand.

You might take a cue from citizenship requirements in England and Norway. They're much tougher.

You might also take note of the fact that Norway exports 90% of the oil it pumps out of the North Sea and uses that FREE MONEY to pay the country's bills.

The US could pump a lot more oil from domestic reserves and reap some of the same benefits that Norwegians enjoy -- but Obama and the rest of the green mafia believe in dreams about solar cells and wind generators.

So if you want more government generosity, then you ought to wise up about where the money for government spending comes from. NOrway is a superb example.

Check Venezuela too. International oil sales account for most of hard cash flowing into Hugo's failing state. But he and his incompetent crew don't know how to make the whole show work.

As you may know, healthcare in Venezuels was judged by Hugo to be lacking, so he went to Cuba, where he was treated by the same system that practically killed Castro.

Due to the lack of preventive medicine, Hugo's a dead man.

In any case, as I mentioned, when a country has its defense bills paid by another country, it's a lot easier to allocate tax revenue to other ends. And even though the US protects Europe, Spain, Italy and Greece are collapsing.

If the US backed away from providing security and left those all of Europe to pay its own defense bills, you'd see total collapse of the EU.

Anyway, as is more obvious than ever now, you have no sense of irony.

thomas sowell said...

Russia, China, South Korea. They are all real examples of socialism.

I think you meant North Korea. And you forgot Cuba.

Anonymous said...

"Sickle Cell Anemia is not an exclusively African disease."

Your comment is non-responsive.
I didn't suggest sickle cell was exclusive to blacks. However, it is extremely disproportionate to blacks, and almost non-existent in whites.

Of course, you understood this, you're just avoiding the point.

If there is no such thing as race, then why doesn't sickle cell affect blacks and whites equally?

thomas sowell said...

whiey:

You ought to compare the society built by Norway, financed by oil and gas from the North Sea.

Keep in mind the population of Norway is only 5 million.

Then think about Iraq. Iraq could build a prosperous advanced nation financed by its oil production too. Moreover, Nigeria could also adopt the same program.

But factors in Iraq have led to slow progress, but progress nonetheless.

More serious impediments have pretty much destroyed all hope of Nigeria ever becoming the Norway of Africa.

Anonymous said...

" He chose to arm himself. He chose to profile Martin. He chose to stalk Martin. He chose to confront Martin. He chose to ignore the dispatcher's instructions."

This is a lame misrepresentation of the facts, however, I encourage you to keep believing this, it will motivate you to join in the negro riots when Zimmerman is acquitted.

1. Carrying a firearm is perfectly legal, and a constitutionally guaranteed right. I carry a gun everywhere I go.
2. Profiling is not a crime, in fact it is smart.
3. It is not a crime to watch another person.
4. It is perfectly legal to ask a person a question.
5. The dispatcher's suggestion was not "instructions", and Zimmerman did not ignore this suggestion, in fact he returned to his truck, where he was attacked by the young negro thug.

Zimmerman deserves a medal, he will never be convicted, and blacks will definitely behave like the wild, uncivilized animals that they are.

Anonymous said...

thomas sowell said...
Russia, China, South Korea. They are all real examples of socialism.

I think you meant North Korea. And you forgot Cuba.


I did; thanks. The socialist country that is setting another great example of socialism, blackmail capitalist countries with violence (Nuclear warheads; controlled by insane "socialistic" leaders) for food. Because socialism doesn't allow you to feed your citizens anything but what you extort from others. Imagine that and look at the similarities. Socialism relies completely on others either giving or being forced to support the practitioners.

Anonymous said...

"If there is no such thing as race, then why doesn't sickle cell affect blacks and whites equally".

Sickle cell disease doesn't have anything to do with being Black you idiot, it's related to areas of the world where certain types of mosquitoes are prevalent, areas where people of color just happened to live.

In other words, if these mosquitoes had evolved to take up residence is Europe, more white folks would have sickle cell trait/disease than people of color.

Furthermore, people who carry sickle cell trait or who have the disease are far less likely to be infected with malaria, a mosquito borne disease. Therefore, it's an evolutionary advantage in places where malaria is endemic/epidemic.

Now sat your dumb a$$ down before I b@tch slap you with my undergraduate biology book!

Dr. Queen's alter ego

Anonymous said...

"Sickle cell disease doesn't have anything to do with being Black you idiot"

Being black makes you genetically susceptible to sickle cell, you f'ing imbecile. Being non-black makes you genetically non-susceptible to sickle cell, you f'ing idiot.


"it's related to areas of the world where certain types of mosquitoes are prevalent"
This is utter nonsense, and can only be attributed to your low negro IQ. The Philippines has heavy mosquito infestation, yet its native population is virtually devoid of sickle cell affliction.

Thanks for playing...

Anonymous said...

You are all a bunch of David Dukes and Louis Farakans. Race baiting on both sides. Where is the solution to come from? Share a blunt and love someone.

Anonymous said...

"Thanks for playing"

Boy........didn't you see the phrase CERTAIN TYPES OF MOSQUITOES in my earlier comment???Or are you too stupid to understand that different mosquitoes live in different parts of the world??

Dr. Queen's alter ego, who just b@tch slapped you with a HIGH SCHOOL biology book.

Anonymous said...

Dr. Queen's alter ego, who just b@tch slapped you with a HIGH SCHOOL biology book.

Speaking of race and genetics, look how violence permeates every facet of a Negress life. She "bitch slapped" someone with her inability to understand a HS text.

Race is not a Construct it is a fact. Why do Blacks runaway from being Black whenever the problems surface? The silliness of attempting to claim race is not real despite scientific hard facts and evidence came out of the sixties from the liberal unicorn polishers fantasy land and has been totally disproven many times over since, to most thinking adults non surprise.

You cannot find DNA markers of a "social construct" but you certainly can with biological reality.

It is self-evident that there are genetic differences between people who have been geographically segregated into mating populations, just as there are genetic differences for all species and subspecies,” wrote Michael Wigler, a professor at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory in Cold Spring Harbor, New York

Why just look at the Frudakis’ test:

It's called DNAWitness. It examines DNA from 176 locations along the genome. Particular sequences at these points are found primarily in people of African heritage, others mainly in people of Indo-European, Native American, or South Asian descent. No one sequence can perfectly identify a person’s origin. But by looking at scores of markers, Frudakis says he can predict ancestry with a tiny margin of error. [...]

But the real [reason it isn't popular with police]? DNAWitness touches on race and racial profiling — a subject with such a tortured history that people can’t countenance the existence of the technology, even if they don’t understand how it works.

“Once we start talking about predicting racial background from genetics, it’s not much of a leap to talking about how people perform based on their DNA — why they committed that rape or stole that car or scored higher on that IQ test,” says Troy Duster, former president of the American Sociological Association.


That is why liberals want to "wisherate" away race. It is too telling and harcore scientific. You cannot bloviate your way out of facts.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

i lived in Europe before the North Sea oilfields were discovered. They are irrelevant to my experience there.

Likewise, my experience has been in democratic socialist countries, not authoritarian socialist countries. I've experience living under authoritarian governments too, in Iran, Turkey and Thailand, but they were in no way socialist, even in Iran with it's great oil wealth and a population less than a quarter of today's, life was kept hard and cheap for all for all but the the richest

Bob said...

The concept of "race" is a yurrupean invention. They couldn't single out Black Africans for enslavement unless some special category was invented for them. In the ancient world, becoming a slave was just a matter of bad luck, of being conquered & captured, no matter what skin color or nationality, & not having some special privilege or status, like being a Roman citizen. In Ben Hur (which is fiction, not history, but has some accurate observations), when Hur returns to Palestine as a Roman citizen he's virtually untouchable by his enemy Messala. But Hur himself owns two slaves, whose national origin or how they came to be slaves is not revealed.

Kingnut said...

So given the history of ‘whiteness,’ likely the new wave of Latinos will be awarded the category over time. My guess is that Asians will be, as well. Remember, it isn’t about ‘race,’ it is about a weird kind of social status. By the way, Apartheid South Africa declared Japanese to be ‘white.’


If you define 'whiteness' as the ability to live up to the standards of the majority culture, to adhere to the ideals of hard work, honesty, and an absolute morality, to pledge allegience to the ideals of self-reliance and liberty that have made America the greatest nation in the world, then in all ways you are my brother.

Anyone who is capable of seeing America in its totality as the greatest boon to humanity in all of history, anyone who can see the founding fathers as something beyond slaveholders, anyone who embraces the idea of personal liberty as paramount can be "white" in my book.

Race is real, but culture is everything.

La♥audiobooks said...

WC said: "That's what I've been saying. Zimmerman's own description makes it VOL MS. He chose to arm himself. He chose to profile Martin. He chose to stalk Martin. He chose to confront Martin. He chose to ignore the dispatcher's instructions. Martin was the one entitled to defend himself when confronted by an armed stalker. Zimmerman wasn't "standing his ground" he was getting into Martin's face."


This is what I've been saying all the time. Anyone with reason and logic should be able to understand this.

In fact, Zimmerman could have been black and his victim white, and Zimmerman would still be wrong in my viewpoint.

thomas sowell said...

whitey says:

i lived in Europe before the North Sea oilfields were discovered. They are irrelevant to my experience there.

Before Norway was exporting oil and gas, it was exporting electricity (and still is exporting electricity) produced from its extensive hydro electric system.

Moreover, Norway has always been an exporter of fish, and it has always been home to international shipping companies. It has always been a net exporter.

Hence, its tiny population has enjoyed a lot of prosperity by being able to peddle its excessive production to the world markets.

Furthermore, it does not have a significant underclass. It is one of the most homogeneous nations on Earth and also one of the oldest. The median age is 40.

Norway has a very low tolerance for immigrants. They don't want freeloaders slipping in, unlike the US, where the borders become more porous by the day.

So the question remains. If the Norwegians can build a prosperous society aided by oil & gas revenue, why can't Nigeria?

Trayvon Got Hisself Shot said...

A witness told Florida cops that he saw Trayvon Martin straddling George Zimmerman and pummeling the neighborhood watch captain “MMA [mixed martial arts] style” shortly before the unarmed teen was felled by a gunshot to the chest. …

Interviewed by cops about 90 minutes after the shooting, the witness — whose name was redacted from police documents — said that he was inside his home when he heard a “commotion coming from the walk way” behind his residence.

The man recalled seeing “a black male, wearing a dark colored ‘hoodie’ on top of a white or Hispanic male who was yelling for help.”

Anonymous said...

Blob said...
The concept of "race" is a yurrupean invention. They couldn't single out Black Africans for enslavement unless some special category was invented for them. In the ancient world, becoming a slave was just a matter of bad luck, of being conquered & captured, no matter what skin color or nationality, & not having some special privilege or status, like being a Roman citizen. In Ben Hur (which is fiction, not history, but has some accurate observations), when Hur returns to Palestine as a Roman citizen he's virtually untouchable by his enemy Messala. But Hur himself owns two slaves, whose national origin or how they came to be slaves is not revealed.

Man, I am losing more and more respect for liberals. They truly are insane. Right, science isn't involved, it was all a political construct so someone invented genetics to simply hold someone else down.

Holy shit you guys are totally incompetent batshit crazy. Did you get this out of lord of the rings or something? Did you ever think that throughout history slaves were of the SAME race as the slaveholders and captives, including Blacks. Jeez - check in to a clinic somewhere and get some help.

Anonymous said...

La♥audiobooks said..."In fact,

Zimmerman could have been black and his victim white, and Zimmerman would still be wrong in my viewpoint."

What exactly did Martin defend himself from? Looks? Questions? You tell me.

Next time you walk by my house and it looks like you are watching me, then I get to come out and beat the shit out of you because you are watching someone and to you that's "profiling" what other laws do you want to get rid of just to assist violent Blacks?

By the way, not sure why you put someone white into this hypothetical situation, Zimmerman is Hispanic and Black. Actually, he does have a little less white in him than Obama.

Anonymous said...

http://www.change.org/petitions/justice-for-kenitra-casper-remove-angela-corey-from-office

Anonymous said...

Under Socialism this one would have all the wummens sterilized and his johnson removed.

"Desmond Hatchett is pleading with the state of Tennessee to help him pay for child support.

With 30 kids, who could afford to pay child support? Yes, 30 children by 11 different “baby mamas.”

Desmond explained how it all happened, well you know what we mean, “I had four kids in the same year. Twice.”

The children range in age from toddlers to 14 years old

Hatchett only has a minimum wage job, which means some of the moms receive as little as… $1.49 a month.

Bein that I payin for his baby mommas life and his kids do this mean I gets to put them to work?

Anyone know what race alwyas do this siht? YT move away who gonna pay?

Anonymous said...

Kingnut, I love you.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

"in fact he returned to his truck, where he was attacked by the young negro thug."

So, could you explain why Zimmerman's truck was around the corner so to speak from where Trayvon was shot and how Zimmerman got that far from his truck?

Anonymous said...

This is an interesting post. However, it leaves me depressed. Why is it everyone else has a bright future becoming White and Blacks don't?

This sucks, it really sucks. We have been trying for a long time to be accepted as equals and some of us are passing for White because we KNOW we will never be accepted as White.

But you are right. Soon in the near future the Latinos will be considered as White too.

Can somebody tell a brother why we always get the short end of the stick? Throughout American history Blacks have wanted to be White but were never accepted!

depressed Negro

Anonymous said...

GrannyStandingforTruth said...
"in fact he returned to his truck, where he was attacked by the young negro thug."

So, could you explain why Zimmerman's truck was around the corner so to speak from where Trayvon was shot and how Zimmerman got that far from his truck?


Where did you get this from? He was shot and died steps from Zimmermans truck. Trayvon ran away, then came back to confront Zimmerman who walked a few steps away from his truck to meet him and then it happened. Here is a map. Please provide a link to the source that made you claim Zimmermans truck was "around the corner"

You are aware that Trayvons lawyer lied and "dee-dee" was not his girlfriend. Was on the phone with him for minutes, not all day. Wasn't hospitalized later and couldn't testify, in fact she barely cared, he was just a kid she "knew" from school. All lies, the whole thing. Except for Zimmermans version which every bit of evidence and eyewitness have proven bit by bit. What does that tell you?

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I watched the video of the apartment complex. No way was it a few steps from Zimmerman's truck. It was more like a bunch of steps away from the truck. Btw, you said "in fact he returned to his truck, where he was attacked by the young negro thug." Trayvon was closer to his destination than he was to Zimmerman's truck.

So, if how did Trayvon's body wind up in front a building blocking the view of the parking lot, instead of right in front of Zimmerman's truck?

Anonymous said...

GrannyStandingforTruth said...
I watched the video of the apartment complex. No way was it a few steps from Zimmerman's truck. It was more like a bunch of steps away from the truck. Btw, you said "in fact he returned to his truck, where he was attacked by the young negro thug." Trayvon was closer to his destination than he was to Zimmerman's truck.

So, if how did Trayvon's body wind up in front a building blocking the view of the parking lot, instead of right in front of Zimmerman's

See the map.

Sigh....So if you walk 15 steps towards me, I won't go to jail if I start pounding your head onto the pavement? Is that it? You can't look, approach or talk to Negroes? Even if Negroes are the ones committing the majority of crimes and it is smart to observe this and be cautious? Is this what you are demanding now?

If so, let me know, time for there to be total segregation.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous, oh sure, you can talk to and approach Negroes when you have the right intentions that is, something Zimmerman did not have.

However, why do you want to keep overlooking the fact that T was walking along minding his own business and not bothering a soul, until Z decided to play robot cop?

Had Zimmerman stayed in his truck like he was told to do or suggested to do, or however you want to put it. T would still be alive and Z would be out of jail still playing wanna be cop and getting high on speed and downers.

Anonymous said...

A teenaged boy is dead and conservatives (whites) gloat. Sick. I guess they needed another Emmitt Till.

PX

field negro said...

depressed Negro, you are not a Nwgro, but u may be depressed. And your depression is brought on by a sense of worthlessness, because deep in your soul u know that u are a loser. Just like most other folks like u here in A-merry-ca.

Granny, it might be it time to self segregate. Most A-merry-cans already do it. Some of it is conscious and some of it is not. Think church on Sunday morning. :)

field negro said...

Yes Weez, it is very disturbing. Just think, in a few more years that little white girl might grow upto be as ignorant as u.

Wesley R said...

75ers just might git er done. The Celtics look tired.

The Purple Cow said...

As I said on a number of occasions, racism is simply class warfare fought by other means. Racism was invented as a justification for economic slavery. The Romans and the Greeks (amongst others) had slaves, but they were largely people who had just lost a war, there was no racial imperative. There was also widespread slavery in Europe (the word 'slave' is a corruption of the word 'slav') but again there was no racial justification used.

Racism was invented in the 16th and 17th centuries as a justification for the widespread economic slavery of sub-Saharan Africans and the misappropriation of native American lands.

Even in the early days of America, there was no racism to be seen. Black and white indentured servants worked, ate, socialized and slept together. There were even free black men who owned white indentured servants.

A change in economics led to slavery, slave owners were acting economically rationally (in Randian terms) in buying slaves and stealing native American lands. The supply of indentured servants had largely dried up after Bacon's Rebellion and enslaving the already indentured servants was not an option given that a) their were more servants than masters, b) they were heavily armed, and c) this would have surely ended the supply of fresh servants from the UK. So a new source of cheap labour had to be found.

[Incidentally, Bacon's Rebellion is an incredibly important moment in the history of the USA. Black and white agrarian workers had worked together to overthrow their (largely Native American!) oppressors, and defeated Governor Berekely's forces. This cooperation of well-armed servants convinced the Virginian elite - backed by the English king, that a way had to be found to cleave the black and white servants apart.]

So racism became a convenient fig-leaf to give a strange kind of moral justification for economic slavery.

The Purple Cow said...

" The Philippines has heavy mosquito infestation, yet its native population is virtually devoid of sickle cell affliction."

This is a flat lie.

There is no mosquito problem in urban Philippines only in rural areas below 600m above sea level. Yet there IS a high rate of sickle cell in the Philippines.

Look at the geographical area of sickle cell disease in the population, it almost exactly matches the traditional areas of Malarial infestation. Africa, Turkey, The Balkans, Northern India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc

thomas sowell said...

Every day is Father's Day for Desmond...

Desmond Hatchett: Man With 30 Kids Requests Child-Support Break

Posted: 05/18/2012

A 33-year-old Knoxville, Tenn. man with 30 children appeared in court this week to ask the state for child-support help, Memphis news station WREG reported Wednesday.

Desmond Hatchett has fathered 30 children -- which is believed to be the record in Knox county, according to the Los Angeles Times -- with 11 different women.

His youngest children are toddlers and his oldest is 14.

Hatchett reportedly asked the court to give him a break on his payments, claiming that he's struggling to make ends meet with his minimum-wage job.

Currently, the state requires him to divide 50 percent of his earnings among the 11 women, some of whom receive as little as $1.49 a month, WREG reports.

How did Hatchett come to father so many children? “I had four kids in the same year. Twice," he told Volunteer TV in 2009.

He also told a local news station that year that he was "done" having kids (he had only 21 at the time).

Anonymous said...

GrannyStandingforTruth said...
"Anonymous, oh sure, you can talk to and approach Negroes when you have the right intentions that is, something Zimmerman did not have."

Oh, I see. When you think he is being docile and servile otherwise there will be violence, you accept this. Well don't expect anyone else to accept it and don't expect them not to get killed after they attack someone. So now, how do you plan to impliment these standards? Tell all Negroes they must have good intentions when they approach whites otherwise they will be beat and hospitalized , ooops if they die and it's ok by your standards. They better not look hard.

Do you even read what you write?

"However, why do you want to keep overlooking the fact that T was walking along minding his own business and not bothering a soul, until Z decided to play robot cop?"

Good, if we had more people watching the neighborhoods when they see someone on drugs walking in the rain looking into houses maybe we would have less crime, less robberies less violence. Maybe Black youths would have standards and not get suspended three times and then set free while daddy is out playing.
When you look the other way and shiver in fear, you wind up with a black neighborhood riddled with crime - you accept it, it stays.

In either case all you are saying is, so what the violent black thug beat him and was in the process of hurting him badly, it's his fault he should have stayed away from him and not had bad thoughts or looked at him.

"Had Zimmerman stayed in his truck like he was told to do or suggested to do, or however you want to put it. T would still be alive and Z would be out of jail still playing wanna be cop and getting high on speed and downers."

The dispatcher told him he didn't need to do that, because it is known criminals especially black youth are violent and he didnt want him to get hurt, but legally he had every right to go anywhere he pleased and place his eyes anywhere he likes without getting attacked and having someone attempt to murder him. Do you understand what civilization is?



Again your point is simple. DO not interact with Negroes or you deserve the beating, hospitalization or killing you will get. So are you teaching other races to just shoot first and ask questions later?

WHy do you support violence if you don't like the way someone is looking at you and what they may be thinking "intentions" are you sure you want this standard to be set against you? For you can't have it one way only.

What's next, I don't like the way you look so gimme your money and take a beating?

Unnaceptable and outrageous and something you might accept in your neighborhood and culture, in fact you promote it obviously, but no one else will. Be careful what you force someone else to eat, it might be on your plate tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Purple Cow said

"[Incidentally, Bacon's Rebellion is an incredibly important moment in the history of the USA. Black and white agrarian workers had worked together to overthrow their (largely Native American!) oppressors, and defeated Governor Berekely's forces. This cooperation of well-armed servants convinced the Virginian elite - backed by the English king, that a way had to be found to cleave the black and white servants apart.]

So racism became a convenient fig-leaf to give a strange kind of moral justification for economic slavery."

Interesting, when does this science fiction novel come out? I might give it a read, I always enjoy alternate universe themes.

So in your version it wasn't indians killing a settler for non payment and a circle of retaliation? No it was a much more sinister plot. No it was Indians who were farmers and leaders of settlements and "oppressors" and this is why they drove off Berkely, not because he wanted to end the retaliations and build forts and Bacon did not.


Now racism was a invention by the elites to divide lower classes. Dude, Marxism has made you a pretty scary dude. Its amazing the physical and mental effect those elites have had on blacks all over the world. Have you been abducted by Aliens recently? Or is this an elite propaganda tool as well?

truthbetold said...

Field, As much as I love your articles, allow me to opine. Whites will hold on to their "whiteness" for as long as they can. Their mental health depends on their alleged superiority.

If the system of supremacy does not exist, then where does that leave them? The answer is "ordinary". And we all know that they can't have that!

Field, have you read, "The Plan?" I wrote about this very thing at diaryofanegress.
Someone must be at the bottom. If it's not blacks, believe me, it will be someone else.

field negro said...

Truthbetold,your handle fits you. You make some great points , and I will check out that book.

PC, there you go with facts again.

field negro said...

But kingnutty, the founding fathers were immoral. They raped their women and enslaved other human beings.

Explain to me again what made them all heroes in your eyes.

alicia banks said...

ditto!

the black/brown planet that ignorant and illiterate racists fear anew has ALWAYS been a global reality

http://aliciabanks.xanga.com/742248486/on-racist-billboards-black-brainwashing--white-wombs/

soccer-tease said...

White people, I know that you are all about to be in the minority here in A-merry-ca, but take heart, there are some very smart people who believe that this whole race thing is a bunch of crap.

The people who cling most dearly to the notion of race are blacks. Blacks are in no doubt about being black. Furthermore, they define every aspect of life in terms of race.

You said smart people believe there's no such thing as race.

Therefore, based on your logic, people who define themselves as black must be dummies.

Kingnut said...

field negro said...
"But kingnutty, the founding fathers were immoral. They raped their women and enslaved other human beings"


Rape? Jefferson apparently diddled at least one of his slaves, which might be considered rape by modern standards, but that's a broad brush to paint the rest with, many of whom never owned slaves.

Slavery was a legal institution in the society these men were born into. Many of the founders did want to eliminate it. The fact that slavery was the basis of southern agriculture prevented dealing with it for another 71 years. Tragic, but understandable for the time.

The point is that these men did something else in their lives other than failing to eliminate slavery. They also, by the way, created the most free, prosperous, and dynamic country in human history, one that has brought more wealth, health and happinees to more people than any other. And Black Americans today are the richest, best educated, and healthiest black people on the planet.

Martin Luther King loved to slap whores around, and kept at it right up to the night before he was killed. He plagiarized many of his writings. Do we, as a society, obsess over his failings in order to denigrate his momentous achievements? No, we put that aside in recognition of how important it is for us to venerate certain principles.

Contempory denigration of the founders is the result of decades of leftist efforts to chip away at the foundations of American culture. All societies need their unifying mythologies that convey a sense of what that particular culture values.

Did George Washington chop down that cherry tree? No, but it was a good parable to teach children about how America honored honesty. Did Abraham Lincoln really make split rail fences all day and then walk five miles to return a book that he read by candle light the night before? Probably not, but the intent was to instill appreciation for the qualities of hard work and studiousness.

Previous generations understood this. For the last 50 years, there has been a concerted academic and cultural assault on all things American. This has gone far beyond the historical realism of recognizing that many of the founders were slaveholders or that Native Americans were steamrolled again and again by the federal government. Today people like you hold a cartoon view of evil America every bit as one dimensional as the simplisitc myths of good America of a century ago. At least the old myths had the benefit of holding us together, rather than attempting to drive us apart.

You can ignore all the bad about America and wave the flag, or you can obesses purely on the negative and dimiss the founders as "immoral". I would prefer a more balanced view that admits mistakes and flaws while emphasizing the succeses and achievments. Once the foundation has been destroyed, the house will fall down. What then?

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous 9:31:

Yes, I read everything I write including the errors and missing words. And I read your BS response too.

Now, let me tell you directly what I think. George Zimmerman is not wrapped too tight and neither are you!!!!

He likes to feel that he is in control—he likes ultimate control. The slightest threat to his sense of control is taken as a personal affront because he feels his self-worth is being diminished. This is more than likely the reason why he picked up that woman and threw her and beat his girlfriend.

In a lot of ways, you and Z are just alike. You want to go out and kill a few Negroes yourself and use that stand your ground self defense BS.

Even some of your post on here, your threats of violence and short fuse outburst towards different ones did not go unnoticed and let me know that you would love to kill a few Negroes that's why you go overboard with your hateful BS in labeling all Blacks thugs even when you know it’s not true.

Zimmerman needs to take an anger management class and so do you! His daddy and momma know that their child is not playing with a full deck. That’s why his dad goes out of his way to protect his crazy ass.

Only problem with that is, that people need to be protected from Zimmerman because he has a short fuse with a violent temper and those speed and downers he is on don’t help. That’s just as bad as folks drinking a can of English 800which makes people crazier than a road lizard.

Instead of his dad always running to protect him, he needs to get him some mental help. He knows that his son needs it.

Nevertheless, when he gets out, he’ll wind up hurting someone else because he is a violent, short fuse, sick cookie!

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I have sat in the background and observed the exchange between you and Whiteys Conspiracy. Each time he responded to you in an intelligent manner. There wasn’t anything hateful in his comments. However, you couldn’t resist showing your bigotry because you are so filled with hatred.

BTW, were you the one whose brother was put in a coma? If so, why did you leave out the details of why he got his ass whooped? Threatening to lynch black folk’s children, threatening a race war, starting mess and provoking his black neighbors. Yeah, the apple doesn’t fall too far from the bigot's tree.

Don’t worry, no black person, except Jesse Lee Peterson would ever want to live by you or even be bothered with you. Black people view Jesse Lee as Uncle Ruckas and a blind stupid Negro, so he wouldn’t be missed no way. Therefore, you can stop your little displays of fear mongering.

Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and some whites that post on here don’t even want to be bothered with you. So, you can stop worrying about Black folks wanting to embrace you. Clearly, it is the opposite, they want to stay away from you as far as they can!

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

@Truthbetold:

Before, I sign off I had to say this to you, Amen Sistah!

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

One more thing, before I sign off. The average black person does not bother anyone, minds their own business, work or go to school, and are trying to live out the so-called American dream just like everybody else.

However, we do have some just like any other group of people that are of the criminal element, but that rangs true in any group of people, it's not just black people. That's a fact of life!

Anon 1 said...

Basically, what this means is that ANYONE can be/will be defined/REdefined as white as long as they're NOT black or do not appear to be black. Got it.

field negro said...

"All societies need their unifying mythologies that convey a sense of what that particular culture values."

Operative word being "mythologies". I am glad you at least acknowledge that much.

BTW, I am quite sure that MLK didn't rape any of his mistresses. I suppose we can say the same of another one of your dead white presidents, JFK.;)

Go on and preach, Granny! :)

truthbetold said...

Field,
What you are witnessing in AmeriKlan is white fear. I'm doing a trilogy on my blog:
First is The Plan
Second is The Fear
Third is The Awakening.

Whites are so transparent...I could write a script!

Anonymous said...

Atty Field, my friend is depressed because he feels he won't get a break from the judge, regarding child payments.

This is a classic case of discrimination against a brother. It's not his fault, it is truly the fault of those women! Anyway, I am asking if you would be willing to court to help my friend out. He is desperate for fair treatment in court. I hope you would be willing to do this pro bono? Thanks so much. You make me proud to be Black.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/18/desmond-hatchett-30-kids_n_1528850.html?ref=mostpopular

Anonymous said...

PS, Atty Field. I forgot to mention my friend is pretty depressed but when I told him you might take his case, he started to feel better.

field negro said...

Desmond is a house Negro, and is pretty much on his own. (See my sidebar)

truthbetold, give us a link to your blog.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

If Zimmerman had been an armed paranoid black man stalking, confronting and killing a frightened white child who believed that he was defending himself against a random crazy attacker, the chorus of anonymous voices on this site so vocally certain now of his innocence would be equally as vocally certain of his guilt.

Anonymous said...

Field, poor Desmond is being set up for his money. The man needs a break. Where's the love for Desmond? Am I the only one? This is depressing.

Anonymous said...

In a lot of ways, you and Z are just alike. You want to go out and kill a few Negroes yourself and use that stand your ground self defense BS.

Oh Granny, I think you played one to many football games with your jockstrap off.

You really are a violent woman and it shows. No, making up mental diseases for others doesn't excuse your condoning violence of blacks. Where do you get this nonsense anyway. The Black thug attacks the spanish guy and the spanish guy is the one who has mental problems? Yes, to someone like you not wanting to see people subjected to crime and actually doing something about it, is sick. The results show.

Strap up, protect your head in the future.

truthbetold said...

Field,
http://diaryofanegress.com

You will find that I don't mince words.

Whitey's Racket said...

Whitey's Conspiracy said...
If Zimmerman had been an armed paranoid black man stalking, confronting and killing a frightened white child who believed that he was defending himself against a random crazy attacker, the chorus of anonymous voices on this site so vocally certain now of his innocence would be equally as vocally certain of his guilt.
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No, they would not, because they never would have even heard the story.

You, on the other hand, would probably suing the family of the victim for violating the killer's civil rights.

You are completely full of shit in everthing you say.

field negro said...

*thumps up* @ truthbetold's site.

truthbetold said...

I love this country! Really I do...Only in a country that was stolen and built on the backs of slaves can you have whites who are in denial that they are the crux of AmeriKlan's problems!

Someday, I wish I can be as willfully blinded too.... Reading these comments are hysterical! Really, white people? Really? hahahahah!! I needed that!
Field, I'm glad you liked the site.

Untouched Jewel said...

Ok, this is where the whole "race" thing really boils my blood, because it's ignorant. No matter what NATIONALITY a person is, everybody (yes, everybody)has lineage that traces back to Africa....the mother of civilization. All our society is trying to do is categorize everyone to make one nationality more better than the other. It's about time that the other nationalities wake up and see it, too. Regardless of our ranks in numbers, white ppl are still gonna treat us like second class citizens anyway.

Anonymous said...

Oh, you're so stupid-it was the implementation of austerity measures that ultimately broke Greece...u know, the ones pretty much replicated in the ryan budget-dont blame the fall of greece on "socialism"-but u know what? I would love to hear these dumb right wing asses cussin romney out after they realize that all that anger & protest against minorities, the poor, students, & the elderly aint going to do shit to stop their eviction, unemployment, and food scavenging when romney grabs that rubber stamp and obliterates whats left of the middle class. I dont give a damn about race. Period. But I despise republicans with a passion because it houses a bunch of uneducated puppets funded by dirty money.

Anonymous said...

Guess what weak ass pansie--dont cry "civilized" just because a black man will beat your 2 inch on hard ass to a pulp. Cite all the stats you want, white men have to team up and hoard weapons because they lack physical strength-they're the opposite of masculine and thats only ONE of the reasons white women prefer black men to white ones--but tell me, why is it white men prefer children to women? And why are yall so damn infertile? White sex with thin lips and flat asses makes my stomach turn.

Anonymous said...

Imagine that, a conservative waxin on about science--"hardcore science" at that. Please stop speaking with your pseudo-intelligence...you are, plain and simple, a failure. Your parents failed, your school (or home school) failed...you peruse the internet and jot down whatever disjointed stats and talking points support your superiority complex. I bet your ass isnt even accepted by your own people...just another disgruntled troll with malodorous pits & breath hiding his/her ugly fat mug away from the light of day.