We don't like to hear this, but America, like South Africa, has some issues when it comes to race.
I know that it's 2015, but if we are going to be honest with ourselves we will acknowledge that not much has changed in the hearts of many of our fellow brothers and sisters since the days that racial ignorance was more overt.
Americans like to think that we have grown beyond such things as judging others by their skin color, but news report after news report shows us that we have not. But we still like to point to others whenever they make a public pronouncement of what we are thinking privately. And when we do find the dumb culprit who dares to embarrass the rest of us, our public condemnation of them is often swift.
The latest case of racial shaming comes to us from Oklahoma.
We all know by now the story of the two frat boys on the bus who openly sang about hanging Niggers to anyone who would listen, and no one seemed to even notice or batted an eye.
The culprits have been exposed and summarily kicked out of school. (I am not even sure that the actions taken by the OU president passes constitutional muster, but we will see.) I personally take no joy in seeing that. These two frat boys represent what happens when we ignore racism and allow society to shape and mold testosterone filled bigots. Move on, there is nothing to see here.
I am not sure why we are even surprised. We are talking about a racist fraternity founded by racists in the South. And SAE is not alone. There are a lot of Sigma Alpha Epsilons on college campuses all over America.
"How could this happen in 2015? I’d say the early history of SAE is very instructive on this point. This fraternity brags on its website that it was started in 1856 in the “Deep South.” (I can’t help but think racial dog whistle when I see that term, given the SAE’s founders’ ties to the Confederacy.) And SAE was at one time was a whites only fraternity as noted in its 1903 “book of rituals” that limited membership to “members of the Caucasian race”. Keep in mind that the students on the bus were heading, per media reports, to a Founders Day event to celebrate very white men who gave us these policies.
And this is not the only racist event featuring SAE. It’s merely the first incident to attract national headlines. Just three months ago, the Clemson University chapter was suspended after white students held a “Cripmas” party (“Cripmas” being a weird and really not remotely funny combination of Crips and Christmas) where they dressed in bandannas, Tupac T-shirts and sported fake “thug” tattoos.” And an SAE chapter at Washington University in St. Louis was suspended in 2013 after members sang racial slurs to African-American students pledging the fraternity."
All par for the course as far as I am concerned. College campuses are where we train and educate our future leaders.
This is how we train them to maintain the status quo.
They just have to be more careful while training in the future.
48 comments:
"There are a lot of Sigma Alpha Epsilons on college campuses all over America."
There's a lot of pussy too. Got to look on the bright side, my man.
Yes, you are right, EVERYTHING is 'racism'! Yes, if you walk around your home and you accidentally trip over something or stub your toe, it's because of us ''eeeevillll White racists''!
You know the facts! Yes you do!
I don't think those students should have been expelled. Publically humiliated, made to give a public apology and taught a lesson but not expelled. Damn, I didn't know the history of the Sig Eps. We used to kick it with them at their house on thursday nights because when you're in college the weekend really starts on Thursday. They seemed to be cool dudes. Hopefully we'll all learn something from this.
"And SAE was at one time was a whites only fraternity"
Aren't there lot's of black only fraternities today?
PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...
I don't think those students should have been expelled. Publically humiliated, made to give a public apology and taught a lesson but not expelled
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Some college boys used the N-word!
There is only one word that can get you expelled, and that's it.
Out of college, out of luck. These dumb motherfuckers made their own bed. You are right, public humiliation should have been enough. But the opportunity cannot be passed on to deliver a lesson for the wider society: Free speech is only for the dominant group.
PX, "Damn, I didn't know the history of the Sig Eps. We used to kick it with them at their house on thursday nights because when you're in college the weekend really starts on Thursday. They seemed to be cool dudes. Hopefully we'll all learn something from this."
10:06 PM
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I know you kicked it with SAE back in the day when it was cool to be an uncle tom. Come to think of it, you are still one.
No, we won't learn anything from this except Blacks like you still think SAE are 'cool dudes' DESPITE all of the news from black students and newspapers across American college campuses indicate otherwise.
Aren't there lot's of black only fraternities today?
10:08 PM
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Yes there are Black Frats but most bm don't join them. Instead they try to join 'whites only' frats or no frat at all.
That's because it's always better to 'go White' as PilotX tried to do. We all know this cardinal unspoken elephant in the living room. It's part of the national psyche, buried 'deep' within.
It's the karma of the past history of America which does not go away with time. It will continue on, for there is nothing to stop it. One President at OU won't stop it. It takes ALL Americans to kill it.
But we know that won't happen. There something deliciously wicked about degrading a fellow human being. It makes the perpetrator feel perversely superior.
Slim pickings?
"In world news today, a white person did something racist to a black person, somewhere in an ancient province of China."
Field: "You see! America is racist!"
lol
If only someone could actually make this shit up, they'd have a new hit show for Cinemax.
Hey PX, the Alphas on our yard used to party at the SAE house as well.
You know I go back and forth on whether or not this generation of White college students are more open minded or the bitter offspring of the first generation of Whites that had to compete head to head with Blacks.
@ Yisheng:
With people like you occupying space, it really isn't much of a competition.
"I know that it's 2015, but if we are going to be honest with ourselves we will acknowledge that not much has changed in the hearts of many of our fellow brothers and sisters since the days that racial ignorance was more overt."
Brother Field, in Oklahoma, I can honestly say that it IS 2015 for Whites, it is NOT 2015 for Blacks. You see, OK is the most racist state in America. Period.
I have written about this fact on FN several times over the years about Oklahoma. While there has been swift action taken against a 'well-known' racist frat, they were not punished because of their racist song and behavior.
They were punished severely because they were caught and the University had no other choice but to kick them off campus. However, if they weren't caught on tape and IF the tape had not gone viral, NOTHING would have been done.
One thing that is disturbing is some FN Negroes defending this giant racist frat as the place for Blacks to party. Or should I say the place for "niggas"--as the frat calls us.
Yisheng and PilotX are self-hating Negroes. SAE was founded in the "deep South" by the racist of racists, and these two Negroes are talking loving remembrance of them. What dopes!
"However, if they weren't caught on tape and IF the tape had not gone viral, NOTHING would have been done."
Forgive me here, but what you seem to be suggesting is that needing actual evidence to convict someone of racism is beyond the pale. You say "if they weren't caught on tape" as if, instead of actual evidence, a university is simply supposed to take someone's word for it and discipline students bereft of evidence.
Now, of course, there are schools that do this. One school expelled a student because he looked physically similar to an accused rapist. Many schools assume the guilt of every man whose name is mentioned in a sexual assault allegation. On the flipside, many schools don't do shit about shit until they have to.
But in lieu of actual evidence, what would you have had the school do? Submit to rumor and innuendo and suspend students on spec without actual evidence or documentation of said infractions?
I'd have to see this. Not discounting anyone's idea of "racism," of course, but the last time I heard that white kids were being racists in college, it was because they threw a Bloods and Crips party, and evidently only black people can join gangs now. Becoming a racist to fight racism -- the American Way.
The time before that, it was because white students were selecting which "spirit animal" they wanted to be, and the whine brigade showed up to call them all vicious racists and shut down their party for cultural appropriation. Mustn't say or use a spirit animal if you're white.
"Forgive me here, but what you seem to be suggesting is that needing actual evidence to convict someone of racism is beyond the pale. You say 'if they weren't caught on tape' as if, instead of actual evidence, a university is simply supposed to take someone's word for it and discipline students bereft of evidence."
Uh, testimony is still evidence. It does still count for something in a court of law, and other places. Yes, witness testimony can be flawed or biased, which is one reason a video clip might carry more weight with some people. But surely you're not suggesting it's the only thing that matters?
I mean, if one person made an accusation, you might question it, ask yourself how credible this person is, whether they might have some ulterior motive or bias. But if a hundred people, all of whom had no discernible reason to lie, showed up and made the exact same accusation, you're telling me you're gonna say, "Nope, don't believe you, must be a conspiracy, show me the video"?
Also, it's not as if the university is the only entity capable of responding here. The leadership of this frat almost certainly have a more accurate view of this situation than the university administration, no? I bet they are not short of evidence at all. So let's say the frat's officers are aware these guys regularly behave in this manner. They could kick them out of the frat. Unless, of course, they agree with this obnoxious behavior...
The only guys I feel a bit bad for here are the frat brothers who may not be bigots and also aren't frat leadership, and yet are now being forced to scramble to find housing because the frat got shut down through no fault of theirs.
Josh, "Forgive me here, but what you seem to be suggesting is that needing actual evidence to convict someone of racism is beyond the pale. You say "if they weren't caught on tape" as if, instead of actual evidence, a university is simply supposed to take someone's word for it and discipline students bereft of evidence."
No, I am not suggesting that at all. You are. Don't confuse me with your own thinking. I said what I meant without any other 'suggestions' to it. You want to suggest that I am suggesting something which I am not.
I won't bother to address the remainder of your comments because they are your thoughts, and not even close to mine.
"The only guys I feel a bit bad for here are the frat brothers who may not be bigots and also aren't frat leadership, and yet are now being forced to scramble to find housing because the frat got shut down through no fault of theirs."
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These guys are suffering because they made a bad choice to become members of a frat with a long checkered past, and 'current' history of racism across America.
It's a good lesson in life for them to not hang out with dogs...."sleep with dogs, you will get fleas."
And I judged you specifically by what you said.
"They were punished severely because they were caught and the University had no other choice but to kick them off campus. However, if they weren't caught on tape and IF the tape had not gone viral, NOTHING would have been done."
That is expressly implying that you're pissed off because the university only did something when evidence came to light, and believe they wouldn't have otherwise, which seems to expressly imply that you would rather a system where supposed racists are punished on spec without such a heavy burden of evidence needing to be presented.
You can wail away like I'm reaching for inferences here, but I'm judging you exactly by your words and only your words.
No men of straw were harmed during the making of this exchange.
Must say when the initial reports surfaced about the SAE video, my first thought was how this conversation would unfold on FN.
And true to form, per the few notable comments, the lack of empathy and understanding with regards to the subtle effects of modern-day racism and bigotry is astounding.
Even in 2015, one reality is the number of citizens who really are okay with minorities, the poor, the disenfranchised, etc., "being hanged from a tree."
I read that several right-wing websites featuring this story deactivated the comments section. As cringe-worthy as much of the dialogue was likely to be, me thinks shutting down the viewpoints is a disservice as well.
I also wonder about the parents and families of students forced to leave the SAE fraternity house. With this being a national story, really hope such a teachable moment can lead to productive outcomes.
By the way, is anyone having trouble viewing the link of South Africa town hall meeting that Mr. Field posted?
It's their right to say what they believe. No one likes a nigger, it needs to be said. They are a drain on society. Get a job niggers
Ah, is this anonymous idiot one of my anonymous idiots pretending to be a racist now to stir the pot? lol Talk about needing to get a job. Holy shit.
I wonder how different the Benghazi investigation would have been if Hillary didn't delete so many emails off her private server.
Benghazi Delete Delete
"But if a hundred people, all of whom had no discernible reason to lie, showed up and made the exact same accusation, you're telling me you're gonna say, "Nope, don't believe you, must be a conspiracy, show me the video"?"
Did a hundred people show up, or are you just trying to be intentionally provocative?
Since you haven't linked exactly what it is about which you're speaking, I'm just having to assume a lot here. And I'll assume that a hundred people didn't show up and report.
And speaking of testimony -- it depends. What is the testimony about?
I can believe my brother if he tells me he caught a 5-pound bass while fishing. If he tells me a whale ate his boat, well...
Then there's the question of a testifier's motive and/or complaint. E.g. is it a minority filing a complaint because they feel a white frat is being insensitive, or are there actual, tangible things that would illustrate real racism?
As I mentioned earlier, many scream and wail and moan about "racism" when white people want to have a Bloods and Crips party, or want to assign themselves spirit animals, or even want to eat Chinese food and watch anime! And if you think I'm bullshitting, just check out the "cultural appropriation" section of Tumblr. There are literally millions of minority Americans who believe it's legitimate racism for white people to breakdance or wear dreads.
This, I would imagine, is something college officials are well aware of -- the crying wolf about "racism" for a white person listening to rap music. So, yeah, I would expect a good school to wait until they had evidence to actually take action! An investigation into allegations because of testimony? Sure! But actual disciplinary action based off of what someone says? C'mon, man.
This is feminist bullshit like "listen and believe," in order to have every male accused of rape instantly sent to prison and forced to disprove the claim.
About 5 billion people on the planet testify that some type of god exists. That makes them about as correct as my entire family agreeing that there's a million dollars in our bank account. Doesn't mean it's there.
Even Jon Stewart sees the hypocrisy over the dumbocrats whining about the rethugs letter to iran.
Stewart Rips ‘F*cking Cuckoo’ Republicans, Dem Hypocrites over Iran Letter
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-rips-fcking-cuckoo-republicans-dem-hypocrites-over-iran-letter/
As if Field Negro was reading off daily talking points, Field Negro promptly posted "Mr. Arnold would be proud of these 47 Senators."
Jon Stewart aka John Leibowitz is a Jew first, partisan democrat second.
America's problems with Iran all stem from the need to protect Israel.
Josh, take a look at this very disturbing link about SAE. According to you they shouldn't be investigating other chapters based on hearsay...right? Anyway, it proves anon's point and disproves your sick thinking. IF this racist event weren't caught on tape there would be no continued investigations.
Hence, it is reasonable to assume that you are a racist and people like you with the character of those racist in the video should be investigated.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/11/oklahoma-fraternity-racism-investigation/70144844/
Racism investigation = Modern witch hunt.
Progressivism is nothing more than modern Puritanism stripped of any spiritualism; Christianity without God. All of the moralizing with none of the spirituality.
Modern liberalism consists of white people harvesting the moral authority they grow on their plantation of blacks. The more blacks suffer, the more redemption they can find among the fields. Offering their support to blacks confirms their saintliness. They do their Good not for the glory of God, but to glorify themselves. They do not wish to be saved, the wish to be the Savior.
This exercise has at root nothing to do with blacks; it is a way for one group of white people to assert moral dominion over another group of white people. Blacks are passive actors in the whole process, stage props in service to the glorification of white liberals.
Liberals repent not for their own sins, but for the sins of others. In so doing, they commit the "sin of detraction masquerading as the virtue of contrition".
Get away from these people. Stop enabling this societal dysfunction. They are lying to you. Conservatives have a direct interest in black inclusion in America; Liberals need blacks to remain excluded forever.
In a nation of 300,000,000 people, two idiots sing a racist song on a private bus, and the whole country is thrown into a paroxysm of ritualized denunciations and gnashing of teeth. Can't you see the game that is being played?
The white race is a fucking joke.
The black race depends on a fucking joke for its existence.
Actually, Clueless, we don't . But thanks for playing.
Bill, it must hurt to be you. Did u know that O's approval ratings are higher than your hero Ronnie Raygun's was at this time in his presidency?
Benghazi...drink drink, gulp.
I enjoyed the video because it opened up a dialogue in which, except for the most diehard racist, such as the White gentleman that proposed a return to apartheid as the best way, at least provided a forum for venting thoughts and feelings.
The other White persons especially the woman speaker in the foreground seemed to be at least somewhat open to what was being said.
But one could see the entrenchment of her position as some spoke, in the clench of her jaw and the purse of the lips as well as other body language.
I especially liked when the Black gentleman answered a white speaker with " but this isn't your land, this is our land!" ROAR!!!
So true! It is a dialogue but honestly my thoughts are that it will take a very long time, if at all, to change things there. And it is an almost mirror image of what is going on in America.
Na, na, na, na......na, na, na, na,......hey, hey, hey, GOOD BYE MOFOS!!!!!!!!
Sponsored by the former Ferguson Police Chief, and the former OU chapter of SAE!!!!!
Yīshēng said...
Na, na, na, na......na, na, na, na,......hey, hey, hey, GOOD BYE MOFOS!!!!!!!!
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Come back in ten years, and Ferguson will look like East St. Louis.
Another triumph for BRA!
lilacpr2000 said...
"I especially liked when the Black gentleman answered a white speaker with " but this isn't your land, this is our land!" ROAR!!!"
And so their land will sink back into barbarity and starvation, like Zimbabwe and the Congo before them. Eventually the lights will go out, and Africa will be the Dark Continent again. But at least it will be theirs.
field negro said...
Actually, Clueless, we don't . But thanks for playing.
I think you meant "thanks for paying".
Without the white race to feed them, half the negroes on the planet would starve in a year, and most of the rest would be gone in five.
Nope, not "paying". I am guessing that u don't pay taxes. Just a guess.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
And so their land will sink back into barbarity and starvation, like Zimbabwe and the Congo before them. Eventually the lights will go out, and Africa will be the Dark Continent again. But at least it will be theirs.
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WTH do you care! You don't live there!
It's theirs!
Most of the Cobalt used in cell phones among other things is mined in the Congo!
Do the inhabitants get a cut of something from THEIR land?
No! They get to slave in the mines that's what they get!
What about the diamond mines, etc, etc,.?
It's the same story over and over,and it's unjust!
Oh and to top it off, their land is destroyed and poisoned by the mining!
Most of the Cobalt used in cell phones among other things is mined in the Congo!
"Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail." - Charles Darwin
There were 50 million sub-Saharan Africans when Europeans first sailed to Africa. Today, thanks to the white man's medicine and food, there are over a billion. By the 1950's, there were modern cities across the continent and continuously improving living standards for the inhabitants. Today, with Africa in black hands those cities are turning to ruins, and there is more squalor, disease and violence than ever before.
Be careful what you wish for.
Bullshit! It's called living with nature, as the Indians did, (another tragedy at the hands of the Anglos ;)
What the hell does Darwin know to be talking as if he lived there! Aw for crying out loud! You people will believe anything you read.
Have you ever met and listened to a person whose grandparents were from an agriculture,farming and hunting techniques rich tribe??? I have! You haven't! You have NO idea! None.
So I CALL BULLSHIT!!!
Don't believe all you read!
"According to you they shouldn't be investigating other chapters based on hearsay...right?"
Well, except for the fact that I said the exact opposite of that, you dishonest cunt, then, yeah -- I reckon maybe so.
Seriously. What the fuck is it with you obstinate trolls who seem to want to argue with me on strictly your terms and not based at all on what I say? Do you intentionally try to be this retarded or does it flow naturally?
Josh wrote: "So, yeah, I would expect a good school to wait until they had evidence to actually take action! An investigation into allegations because of testimony? Sure! But actual disciplinary action based off of what someone says? C'mon, man."
"Hence, it is reasonable to assume that you are a racist..."
Hey, grown-ass people believe it reasonable that there's a magic being lording over their lives and bailing them out of situations. Why wouldn't it be reasonable for you to assume I'm a racist based off of your straw-man version of my stance, attributing to me shit I never said and blatantly ignoring shit I did say? It's as reasonable as many other things, I guess. If you like fairy tales and find them reasonable, far be it from me to begrudge that.
So, sure, I'm numero uno racist. There was never another way this worked out in your mind. I was instantly a racist due to being white; you just needed your "evidence" to work backwards from that point.
Label me what you must; makes me no never mind. I label you a woefully inept dullard. So, it's not as if this is a one-way street.
Bullshit! It's called living with nature, as the Indians did, (another tragedy at the hands of the Anglos ;)
You want to live in hut or a tepee, covered with flies, sick and starving, watching out for the neighboring tribe that will kill you the first chance they get?
The Indians "lived with nature" only to the extent they had to.
The OU president should be made the mayor of Ferguson.
Negrodamus said...
You want to live in hut or a tepee, covered with flies, sick and starving, watching out for the neighboring tribe that will kill you the first chance they get?
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Yes, yes Negrodamus, yes I do. They lived for millions of years just fine and healthey as can be, until the Anglos showed and infected them with pestilence!
They were not sick and starving until the Anglos (AKA blue eyed devils and palefaces)showed up and sickened them, shot them, and stole their land! Okay!???
And now what do we have? WHAT???
(yes I'm yelling at you) We have diabetes, cancer, morbid obesity, MS, ALS, cerebral palsy,all kinds of birth defects, caused by toxic chemicals of the so called "progress"! A progress of death and a society fast becoming obsolete with unsustainable living habits!
So chew on that one while I peel you another one kid ;*D
Your ignorance is astounding.
Good thing that doesn't prevent you from expressing declarative opinions.
No your ignorance is astounding!
Stressful video. I don't want to see all the white farmers killed. Sisoniu is heading in the right direction. I agree that some people should be left behind. They will likely come back, but if not, that's fine. Maybe for Sunette, she would come back when her children or grandchildren fall in love and marry a non white. Only then will she see we are all the same and the playing field is not level.
"I don't want to see all the white farmers killed."
If history is any guide, they will be.
Negro(Honky)damus @7:07PM
STFU PalePussy!! That's the same, lame tired-assed 'White man saved the World' speech almost word for word that the glass-eyed, racist KKK South Georgia asshole Daniel Carver used to deliver regularly on the racist Jew Howard Stern radio show!
Save that hot air 'White is Right' exceptionalist bullshit for your crossburnings..Fuck off, Shitpants--It's 2015 not 1915!!
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