Thursday, May 07, 2009

Field questionnaire.


The picture that goes along with this post (I know, I have been into images a lot lately) along with others with it , have been generating quite a bit of buzz among certain parts of the bloggosphere. Seeing and reading different people's take on it has been interesting to say the least. Hey, I am not here to preach, just to observe and read tonight. I get the subliminal racist Mandingo buck raping Missy imagery. And the not too subtle sexually charged messages that feed into our stereotypes of the black male.

I get all of that. But what I really want to know is this: In this "post- racial" world where it's supposedly cool to bet on black, and where we are told that generation Xers and those who came after them really don't see race. Who do you think these pictures would piss off more?


There is no wrong answer.


A. The crowd at a black sorority convention? (Where my pink & greens at?)


B. The aging congregation of a large, black, Southern Baptist church?

C. The aging congregation of a large, white, Southern church?


D. The crowd at a republican town- hall meeting? (Any town)


E. None of the above.


Please hurry with your comments. I am trying to get off of this page as soon as possible. Mrs. field doesn't know how to act when she sees "cut" brothers. I can't chance her walking by and seeing this pic.



Hat tip to Emmjay for e-mailing me the link to the Gisele Bundchen photos.

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Ben said...
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Grata said...

My take,
The White woman gets protection from both Black and white men ?

Who protects the Black woman? Just asking a simple question.

Swiff said...
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ebonyI said...

1st...Skee Wee!!

2nd...Like Mrs. Field, i cant get past the cut brothers...DAMN!!!

and finally, in answer to your question...I think D, because they tend to focus on regulating other people's behavior. And nobody jumps to conclusions quicker than them

Swiff said...

D, with the jealous sistas in A coming in a close second. When I saw the pic, the first thing that popped into my head was interracial porn. *shrugs*

we saw that... said...

the fold in the crotch of the models suit not so subliminally resembles an erect white penis.

i believe that is a clue to what the image is really about.

Kim said...

Sigh.. more photos that portray black men as beast like animalistic savages that just have to have white women.. birth of nation anyone .. blah.

west coast story said...

Beeeyoootiful photography. I wish I could take a black and white photo even a third as well.

I suspect the best thing that can happen to an artist is to have everyone talking about your work. Seems the artist succeeded here.

I don't know if it's racsit or not because the photos are so stunning. Actually, I don't think the photos are racist. I think they are racial but I don't see racism. They are certainly sexually provocative. If someone has issues with interracial partnering, I can see where the hysteria comes from. I don't so I don't care.

I see some really great use of light and a camera.

So sue me.

ch555x said...

I saw this over at Racialious and I still think this is either an old pic or someone did something similar a while back (deja vu?). Anyway, I'll co-sign Swiff in the interracial porn...and yeah, I can't forget about that scene she had with Jennifer Esposito in "Taxi".

Swiff said...

some food for thought:

"When it became clear that Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) was poised to become ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, we recalled this 2002 article by Sarah Wildman which addresses some of the controversies that kept Sessions from being confirmed in 1986 as a U.S. District Court judge in Alabama."

"during a 1981 murder investigation involving the Ku Klux Klan, Sessions was heard by several colleagues commenting that he 'used to think they [the Klan] were OK' until he found out some of them were 'pot smokers.' "

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/sessions-colleague-i-thought-id-be-fired-if-i-objected-to-being-called-boy.php


Gotta love the Rethuglicans.

field negro said...

"I can't forget about that scene she had with Jennifer Esposito in "Taxi"."

ch555x, I don't remember that.

"Who protects the Black woman? Just asking a simple question."

*field with hands raised*

west coast story, you must be a photographer.

ebonyl. you damn "Skee Wees" I swear.

Deltas don't get mad at me. Red & white in the house. I don't want any issues with you all. :)

kid said...

I seen worst. My only problem with it is that they look like eunuch's. Not like I wanted to see that, but I am quite sure some would have like to seen the full monty.

Anonymous said...

Those are some fine Black Men. For once, I'm jealous of a White girl! I don't think it's racist, just a pretty picture.

I say C--the old conservative crackers.

FlyNMy40s said...

I've got a deep chocolate brotha who's fine too, so I'm not hatin, LOL!!

However, the meessage behind the image is obvious!

ciara said...

B. The congregation of a black church is full of black women

George M said...

" C. The aging congregation of a large, white, Southern church? "

Hell, even the damn babies, who are too young to talk, would utter their first word; Nigger !

G

leafsfan16 said...

I had to think about that one for a minute. As a Gen Xer, I don't see a problem with Giselle and her men.

I still wonder what was going through Tom Brady's head when he first saw this, though. *laughs*

I think the correct answer is "D".

--Robbie

ArtMaggot Hysteria said...

It’s art, commercial art, no more, no less.
And like all forms of art we read into it what ever it stirs within ourselves.
Our fears, our fetishes, our racism, our sexist attitudes, our insecurities, our passions, whatever, It’s all bullshit.
Yes I know the history of propaganda images; I all too well know the damage of the media and mediums.
What is the context for the image? A protect our “Missy” rally or just some high end fashion photographer wanting to tap into our collective id with a study in contrast.
I look at this image and see the lighting, the body, the texture, the subtle and not so subtle hetero and homo erotic elements, and I ask myself how much time do these guys spend in the gym?

rainywalker said...

B, C, D. I think she has had a wax job and I like the bracelets.

James C. Collier said...

Anytime you touch white and black skin together you give people license to run taboo wild. How they run is up to them, their imagination, and their god.

dalit said...

B, then A, then C. D would not care.

Black Churches would be offended by the combination of racism and sexualization, then black sororities for the racism, then white churches for the nudity.

but you know what? this would be much more upsetting if that was a black women. Then people would begin to attack black culture and say that black women are promiscuous, look at that trash and bla bla bla...

now my question is...where are the heads of the two men in the corner?

ch555x said...

"ch555x, I don't remember that."-FN

Hey Field,

http://www.spike.com/video/taxi-pat-down/2650373

It's highly suggestive for you kiddies out there! You're fore-warned...

Rudy said...

My answer is D.

My opinion: There is only a subliminal message if one is seeking one.

Folks whose mind is encumbered with America's sordid legacy of the combination of black male endowment, white female deflowering, and sex will see a subliminal message.

Folks where are more sophisticated than that, see an art piece.

When it comes to race and sex, most Americans are fucked up.

sick freak said...

Not shocking at all. Compared to what else is out there about black men raping innocent white women stereotypes this seems really tame.[Use to work at a porn shop]

Who would these pictures piss off more??Lets see--

White liberals in Boston

Black liberals in New York

People at a NAACP meeting.


Don't forget this FN,liberals preach love and diversity until their daughters bring home someone of another race than all that love and diversity goes out the window.

field negro said...

Damn, a lot of votes for "B". Now that's intersting. I am thinking our own individual life experiences affect how we vote on this one. I thought there would be more C's, but what do I know. Anyway, it's early.

I see a lot of artists like ArtMaggot and James in the fields tonight.

ch555x, thanks for the link.

field negro said...

"Don't forget this FN,liberals preach love and diversity until their daughters bring home someone of another race than all that love and diversity goes out the window."

Hmmmm....maybe I should have added another category:(F) Manhattan cocktail party?

Anonymous said...

D. A crowd of "n_ _ _ _ r" hating Republicans at a convention.

Yes Field, I'm with you on this one. Anybody black with with an ounce of brains, a background of our history, and living in the world for any length of time knows the power of subliminal messges and this is definately the "Mandingos" carrying off the white girl to get raped. I guess some of us feel that if they keep their head in the sand and try to ignore it that they can somehow convince themselves that this picture is not racist. But those are the usual "self hating...can't we all just get along" black folks. And it's because of people like those kind of black folks that images like this just keep on cropping up. Some black folks will try to get acceptance from whitey if it meant selling their soles to the devil.
"Tssk, tssk, tssk."

GM said...

"Don't forget this FN,liberals preach love and diversity until their daughters bring home someone of another race than all that love and diversity goes out the window."

Bingo ! Who really believes that Bill and Hillary would be thrilled if Ms. Chelsea...well, you know where I'm heading:)

G

La♥♫ said...

Here we go with that worshiping of the white woman again...

Well in a way I'm glad it's not the other way around. You know, naked horny mindless white men lifting a pathetic looking black woman high up in the air looking like a cheap trollop in a tacky swimsuit.

Bundchen is obviously projecting her sick jungle fever creepiness. Racism? Yes. But it also looks like white female arrogance to me. When will it end...

Lola Gets said...

I think the answer would be:
A first, then B, then C. I dont think that D would have any problem with it (outward that is) at all.

As for your wife...let the woman get her leer on, man!

L

PPR_Scribe said...

Nice try, chalking this up to "contrast" in making B&W photography. As someone who admires B&W photography, I think that true professionals would never go for such a "cheap" and tired trick as white skin on dark. That is pretty easy to pull off, and involves very little nuance or talent at all.

No, the point of these images was to shock. These are not even "subliminal," but a fairly blatant attempt at invoking certain historical themes. (And actually, they are not scenes of "rape" necessarily, as the men are pretty subservient to the woman--literally emasculated since their own genitals are absent.) The problem is--it has been done before, so there is really nothing that cutting-edge about this kind of thing.

DuchessDee said...

After seeing the other pictures, i think they are sexy. Those black brothers can hurt a sister. sigh. now i just want to know what Gisele thinks she can do with those black brothers. She cant handle what they are dishing out. lol. pass them over this way.

But no I am not upset with the pictures.

La♥♫ said...

"She cant handle what they are dishing out. lol."

That's what some of you black women always saying. Yawn. No wonder "some people" have high egos.

BluTopaz said...

Field it's funny how you would include A. as an option, but nothing about how young Black men themselves would feel about these types of images.

It has become standard for many people to think most Black women start speaking in tongues when they see this version of interracial pairings, but it's not always the truth.

Anonymous said...

I am the most disappointed one. The brothers were to bring her to me but something went wrong apparently. I guess I'll bath in Chamcagnie alone.

szpork

field negro said...

Blue Topaz, I didn't put a group young of black men because I am not sure they, as a whole,would have a problem with interacial dating. Maybe I am wrong, but that has been my experience with the young bucks. :)

La~~~you kill me, girl. Where is your man? I need to talk to that brotha. BTW, I think your book is on the way. Shoot me an e-mail when you get it.

Duchess Dee and Lola, you two need Jesus. Granny where are you?

mesha said...

E, Field my first thought of this picture..4 strong black men in the prime of there lives would uplift a white women or protect a white women and put her above the rest of the world..

In all my years, I never felt protected as the photo suggest.

where is our hero? That what I feel about the picture. What about us and when is our time to cherish?

StillaPanther2 said...

Brother Field...That's the number uno with my race. Today when the number of Black male/Black female is going south..these images tells more of the basic instinct of the Black male, He can "pratice" on the Black female but he can't adore her (I do mine of 36 years) let along protect her, This picture message can also holler out the the Black male can adore the white women so much that he can be satisfied with just having just "a small bit of her". What group of Black men would hold a sister up without maiming each other. A little bit of white is better in our minds(conditioned) than a whole of Black. During the 70s when my race was proud and COMPETING- and winning, the white women was freely giving to stunt our self directed behavoir. Now we are satisfied to see commercials always showing us lurking around the white women. We dont want jobs, education nor families now. EVERY Black male movie leading male has a movie with a white women. Why the white boys don.t. They want the world to value their women. The Black male don't care about his women. His enslaved mentality still exist today. If you think otherwise-- expalin how the Black male allow his offsprings to have the highest homicide rate. the highest poverty rate. We are busy getting in line for our prize..that blond hair white women. To the Black males that protect and love your Black women Thank you. To the ones who are not able to love your Black women and offsprings...Practise on the other women..we have enough abandoned Black women.

Anonymous said...

F. All of the Above

I know it wasnt an option

rikyrah said...

Now, there is no doubt about the racist imagery here, FN.

No doubt at all.

Still waiting for you to comment on Micheal Steele saying ' my name is Toby'.

La♥♫ said...

Oh Field, the poor dear doesn't even know this side of me. He thinks I'm the sweetest thing since bees invented honey.

Thanks so much. Will do.

La♥♫ said...

StillaPanther2, you are my hero. You said it so profoundly.

Blinders Off said...

Field, Mrs. Field is not the only woman who will have thoughts of the brothers in this picture… they look like some BEAUTIFUL chiseled bronze statues.

I am not caught up in what people see as racist in this photo.

Art is in the eyes of the beholder and I think this picture is a beautiful piece of photographic black and white art. If that was a black woman they were holding we would see it as what I think the photographer intended to be ART.

field negro said...

StillaPanther2, as always, that was deep my brother.

"Oh Field, the poor dear doesn't even know this side of me. He thinks I'm the sweetest thing since bees invented honey."

LOL! That's what I thought.

mesha, I think you are more protected than you know. A lot of brothers atre just afraid to come out and let you know that they are looking out for you and protecting you. There are lot's of brothers like StillaPanther2 out there who will always have your back.

boukman70 said...

I actually don't see the rape fantasy in this one. I agree with whomever said the brothers looked like eunuchs. Personally, I have a bigger problem with "urban" radio than I do with this photo. Pix like these are just old hat. But to answer your question, I'd definitely go with the black sorority convention. I'm guessing a lot of people would want to go with the aging, white, Southern church, but all those fools have mulatto grandchildren these days.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

They lift her up and put her on a pedestal and treat her like a beautiful sex goddess, guard over her, and compete for her or want her. She is covering two of their heads as if to say that she is on half of the black men's mind.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

BTW, no rape involved that I see, because she doesn't have an expression of fear. They worship at her feet.

mesha said...

thanks Field...

I can stop crying now..

Mr. Whitey said...

Im a white guy and I didnt see any racism there. Only that maybe I should cut down on the bread and do a few more reps at the gym.

Art is what the individual sees and feels. If you spend your life looking for racism, you will see it there. If you might be a tad insecure about your physique, you might think to cut out bread and do more reps.
Im not an "artsy" guy. The only piece of art I truly love is the "Dogs playing poker" classic (why is the bulldog always the pit boss?)

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I think that the picture is nice myself.

Anonymous said...

Someone alluded to this earlier, but its interesting that none of the choices included the crowd at a black fraternity convention or the crowd at Morehouse's orientation. The saddest part about this is that black men don't care about their portrayel as a "Mandingo buck raping Missy". In fact, I think many of them revel in it. I can't think of another group that would allow themselves to be so grossly mischaracterized and allow it to continue to go unchallenged. And lets be real, this photograph is not about the color contrast. If it was, there would be no need for these men to be completely nude. The same color affect could have been achieved by dressing the men in briefs and allowing them to maintain at least some of their dignity.

uptownsteve said...

Was this picture taken in the NE Patriots locker room?

Hathor said...

I partly agree with ArtMaggot, I get a definite homo erotic sense. It is racial but it has nothing to do with the woman, probably more about the photographer.

I would say that most of A to D.

btx3 said...

Looks like one very happy woman to me...

F... All of the above.

LACoincidental said...

I say all of the above for different reasons.

A - Mainly because way too many brothers revel in being the big mandingo chasing the Ofee. Sad, but from my perspective, more beautiful sistas to choose from for me!!

B & C - Old racial things could get stirred up, but mostly old school bible thumpers (and their youngblood understudies in the pews) get their panties in a bunch whenever naughty bits are displayed. Blow people up, torture? No problem. Janet Jackson booby? FCC!! FCC!!


D - The Republican Party is mostly now a bunch of race baiters, militia nuts and hardcore bible thumpers. They hate nudity (unless said republican men are sneaking off to a strip club or a bathhouse) and they don't much like Negroes (or latinos are any other swarthy folks) touching their pure white lilies.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Mr. Noface said...

F. All of the above (for various reasons and to varying degrees).

Anonymous said...

Hey Field:

Please check this link at BBC about what is gloing on in Kenya: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8038422.stm

- Brother from Asia

Daktari said...

I'm sorry, field, were you saying something?

Cocoa Fly said...

Field, since you're bringing up sororities I gotta show love to my BLUEtiful sorors of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority Inc. EEE-YIP!

I'm going to side with Mr. Noface and say all of the above.

I took issue with this picture because it does have this "Birth of a Nation," black brute desiring the white mistress feel. SOME of the other photos I saw from the shoot I felt didn't push the racial envelope.

bob said...

C. They would be offended by it even if all the models were white. The implied miscegenation just makes it worse.

Minnie said...

F. Some variation of all of the above.

I see different areas of contrast in the photo such as masculine/feminine, dark/light, strong/weak. I am also getting a contrast of feelings and emotions between myself and the models in the photo. I had a visceral feeling of repulsion viewing those photos because of the play on the myth of the Mandingo black male brute and the innocent white women being seduced. I think that was the photographer's intention, to constrast some of our visceral reactions to the calm serene emotions of the models.

Minnie said...

I'm curious as to what reaction folks would have if that was a black woman with white men.

Say It Loud said...

I don't find the picture erotic, primarily because I don't find white women particularly erotic.

Not their fault. It just that sistas got it all over them.

Now to the picture. The image that comes to mind for me is that the woman is being carried as though she's a bale of cotton or a bale of hay.

These are working men with working men bodies, not appearing to be interested in getting down with anyone at the moment.

They almost seem burdened by their load, wishing to get it where it has to go in one piece, but not particularly interested in it beyond that.

She's suited while the men appear nude, and although her arms reach backward to embrace the brothers' shoulders for support, she doesn't seem all that sexually aroused herself, but exhibits a measure of disinterest in both the act and her possible destination.

If there's a message here, it could possibly be this: neither white women nor black men are as sexually attracted to the other as stereotypes would have it.

Black men have to bear the burden of the jungle-fever myth to the same extent that white women are constrained to ignore it.

Christopher said...

High fashion photography at its best.

I don't have a clue who the picture would "piss off."

Maybe you need an answer "F": Tom Brady? Gisele's husband now feels inadequate that the wife has felt the pleasures of black skin?

field negro said...

"Personally, I have a bigger problem with "urban" radio than I do with this photo. Pix like these are just old hat"

Tell it boukman...!I feel you on that one.

"Only that maybe I should cut down on the bread and do a few more reps at the gym."

Mr. Whitey, I co-sign with you there. I am sure most of the men reading this do too. On the racism part? Not so much.

LOL@Daktari.Now go see Granny, You need Jesus too. Blinder Off,you too.

Brother from Asia,I will check out that link.

"I'm curious as to what reaction folks would have if that was a black woman with white men."

Minnie, that is an interesting question. Do you think some of us brothers would be singing a different tune?

Damn "Say It Loud", I feel like I just got off your couch. How much do I owe you? :)

Lots of votes for the new category,"F".

Jody said...

Well, I would add another catagory... that would be a Feminist Majority meeting.... where the discussion is the intersection of race and class....

I agree with the commentary above about the depiction of the black men, but I would add, this images also objectifies the woman as sexual property.... something to be toted around, to be had.

Both the men and the woman are reduced to stereo-typical images... but hey, sex sells.

Marketing Diva said...

Ok I have finally stopped dreaming about the Fine Azz Brothers in the shot. At first I did not pay any attention to the white girl, I was focused on the Brothers. Tyra would say they are stealing her shot

Of course this is sexual, hell I am hot, but it also is playing on old sterotypes.

I think everyone but A would be mad. No I am not rocking pink & green just lusting

agentX said...

OK, I first thought this was one of those weird car commercials.

I'm gonna go with D, then A, then C, then B.

The ladies at the church would probably laugh and act barely shocked. They've seen real racism for long enough to not get worked up over this photo.

The Republicans? Oh yeah, you're gonna hear speeches about how Hollywood morals are corrupting AmeriKKKa and so on and so forth.

The sistas will probably sound like most of y'all. But I know they'll be wantin' some cut bruddas.

I don't think I can ever get that cut, so my issue with the photo isn't race so much but bad body image messages. Thanks guys- now I'll eat some ice cream to make me feel better. BURP!

Someone was mentioning the lack of wang. Y'know, after the ManRam incident, I really don't wanna see anyone's wang, mmkay?

Jazzy said...

Gisele Bundchen is a Brazilian and most likely of mixed race. I don't see a problem.

EzMun said...

Field,

Most def. the answer is "D." You know the Repubs ain't feeling this.

I'd agree with some of the others above, the photography, lighting, staging is superb. The artist who took the picture sure knew what they were doing, because the picture says so much:
1. The Black buck thing that you hinted at.
2. The (stereotyped) desire of White womem wanting to be ravaged or worshipped by an army of ripped Black men (not saying its real, just pointing out the stereotype)
3. This particular woman (regardless of color) wanting an army of men basically worshipping her
4. Black physicality
etc.

Can't knock the hustle. The work is superb on the photography end.

uptownsteve said...

"I'm curious as to what reaction folks would have if that was a black woman with white men."

That's the point.

You'll never see a fashion picture of white guys pawing all over a black woman.

In America white women are still held up as the beauty standard and black men are always depicted as lusting over them.

Rudy said...

LOL at the notion of the picture conveying the message of Mandingos carrying off Missy to be raped.

Racist intentions are not under every rock.

Here's a critical question: Who took the picture? Once you know the background of the photographer who took the picture, then you can make an inference on the photographer's intended message (assuming there is one).

Anyone with an ounce of brains do not ASSume before having facts.

If you don't know who took the picture, the only opinion to which you are entitled is the grade of the picture. I agree with Chris, it's high-grade photography.

Jamel said...

im huge on symbolism and embedded racism, but this is a tasteful photo...if there is anyone to get mad at, should be mad at the silly photographer for using a white woman instead of a black woman.

alicia banks said...

what i see first is a glaring INACCURACY!

this would be far more timely if the roles were reversed:
nordic pale emaciated white women carrying one black stud bro...

times have changed

white women chase black men today much more obsessively than black men chase white women

the idea that they may give birth to a beloved iconic obama baby bi-racial boy has intensified that racist fetish/interracial sexual obsession...

in fact, as en educator, i see droves of white men acting like caricatures of black men...acting out the infamous "wigga" syndrome etc...

i pity these white males because they know that they have to morph into pseudo-black men just to date white women...

shame!

peace
ab
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BLACK LOVE & GRAY LIES
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/blacklove.htm

Eddie said...

It's just going to be one of those pictures that pisses everyone off at black men. Black women are going to be mad that you even look at another women since they feel as though they are the only one's desreving of you attention; nevermind you're a man and just likes whatever woman looks good to you period. The aging church folks are either older black women who look down on you because you're not looking at their daughters that have more problems than Ann Coulter, and the old black men get jealous because you actually may be able to get a white girl like they always wanted when they were younger. The aging white folks still want to live in the "good ole days" when you could kill a guy for whistling at a white woman. That, and they are just not going to let Buffy get with that black guy who may become son in law no matter how good you are compared to the rest of the losers that have been trying to holler at her. And then the Republicans are basically the aging church-going white folks mixed with a couple self hating negroes that already have their white wife, but don't want too many other black men around because they won't feel special anymore. Someone asked who is protecting sistas? My question is whom do you feel like protecting when it seems like everyone else is lined up against you for whatever reason?

RisingTide said...

photo is gorgeous.
mysogynistic, sure.
ain't nothin' bout rape there -- worship, yeah.

Figure those guys would rather have a gymnast in their hands, than that frail wraith of a photogirl.

also, brazillian or no, I would have liked it better if she looked more... exotic. It's not exactly like you need alabaster to stand out against ebony.

And I don't normally like mega-muscled guys... these guys somehow make it look good.

alicia banks said...

eddie:

ditto

fyi:

as a black femme lesbian who loves black femme clones exclusively, i could not care less about black men who prefer white women

they get much less pub and are not photographed as often, but millions of black women prefer white men too...

peace
ab

Christopher Chambers said...

How about new choice:

F. Tom Brady

I pick F. Clearly she's into this teasing the racial divide crap. First w/Lebron, now this? And she's from Brazil, where occupies the highest caste: white German-derived settler. This over an ocean of mixed and black folks. There's got to be a hankering for the dark bucks there.
Yeah all those folks'd be a tad upset. But if I were Tom Brady, simple ass whiteboy, I'd be the most pissed...
PS Did you see my post on Notre Dame?

FlyNMy40s said...

It's generally understood by society at large that save for a very few specific "functions", Black women are the least desired on the planet.

And to keep this real, the ONLY reason black men aren't in the same boat with other races of women is because of..........well......the larger package of "Mr. Johnson", LOL!!!

FlyNMy40s said...

alicia banks said...
"but millions of black women prefer white men too..."

I've been saying it and acting accordingly for YEARS, why in the hell should Black men have all the interacial fun?

uptownsteve said...

"they get much less pub and are not photographed as often, but millions of black women prefer white men too..."

But how many white men prefer black women?

The sistahs are still the mules of the world.

Zora Neal Hurston said that so don't get mad at me.

The day I see a picture of a bunch of white boys pawing all over Serena Williams or Alek Wek in a fashion magazine, then I'll believe people have accepted the black female beauty standard.

Rudy said...

Didn't know interracial was fun. I thought it was mired with headaches.

I learned something new today.

knockoutchick said...

I think this photo is lovely. Yet I know most progressive photographers would find it simple and heavy handed.

Because of our history we can never see these images with an unbiased eye...which makes me wonder about the background of the photographer. This is going to sound harsh but...the older the photographer of this pic is...the more likely I would call race baiting. If the photographer is a 50 year old straight WM, I would say, hmmmmmm

It is said often that gay men take the best photographs of women. Yet one of the kings of black and white nudes Robert Mapplethorpe always seemed to take much more beautiful photographs of men...in particulare black men which he is said to have had a preference for in his intimate relationships.

Currently I don't know of anyone doing beautiful artful erotic photos of black women ...except maybe Uwe Ommer and a French photographer I can't think of at the moment. Yet these guys do "pretty" pictures of black women which is nice but they are not memorable.

But black and white photos...particularly those of contrasting dark and white skin can be quite compelling. I know is it simple but still striking. Helmut Newton's "White Women" is still selling some 30 years later.

knockoutchick said...

In choosing a caption...I would go with FN's letter F regarding a New York cocktail party and say.

G) Four black men carrying a WW to the bar to see who can buy her a drink first.!

StillaPanther2 said...

I will alter my views when I see a picture (contrasted of course) of a Black female being held up in that way by 4-5 naked white muscular males. Been reading and digesting Americanna for 50 plus years and I have seen this image (that picture) too many times. You would have thunk I would have seen one with a Black female. For the contrast, don't need the sister to be Beyounce'-like. Now this is my take...I am a sum product of being in this society thru different social times and this image is sooo used-up. All things are possible (remember Brother Obama), so I may see this picture in reverse before I check out.

no1kstate said...

This maybe E. Cause, here's what strikes me.

1 - of course, the Mandingo, which, btw, has to be quite insulting to any member of the actual tribe. Just saying.

2 - This thought, I'm not sure I'm willing to defend, but I'm gonna put it out there.

Of the 4 black men, none is touching any sexualize part, ie breasts, buttocks. And it almost looks as though none of them are endowed. The kinda look like eunuchs, however muscular.

So, it kinda looks to me like a remake of the a-sexual negro boy who loves to serve his white female friend.

Stimpson said...

Honestly, I think some people are reading way way way too much into a picture.

FlyNMy40s said...

Rudy said...
"Didn't know interracial was fun. I thought it was mired with headaches"

I've never been one to paint love in one particular color which may explain why I've had choices in almost every color in the rainbow, wink eye!

FlyNMy40s said...

no1kstate said...
"And it almost looks as though none of them are endowed. The kinda look like eunuchs, however muscular."

Men who take steriods won't be endowed, LOL!!!!

uptownsteve said...

"Honestly, I think some people are reading way way way too much into a picture."

4 naked black men carrying a a white woman.

What do YOU read unto it?

A remake of "Wildcats"?

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
"But how many white men prefer black women?

The sistahs are still the mules of the world."

Maybe sistahs wouldn't be the mules of the world if we were cherished by our men. Oh wait, you gonna blame this on "da white man" too?

As for white men prefering Black women, if it weren't for that penis thing, I think more white men would. But hell, who wants to compete with a TRUE Mandigo?

Ok, Imma get down off my stereotypical box now!

knockoutchick said...

The difficult thing with erotic photos is they always lead to questions about the sexual leanings of the photographer. It's not right because it should stand alone as art.....or entertainment as this piece is meant to be.

My first thought would be the photographer of the pic above would be a gay man.

uptownsteve said...

"Maybe sistahs wouldn't be the mules of the world if we were cherished by our men."

Do YOU cherish your men?

You only get love and respect when you give it.

alicia banks said...

ha!

ditto fly!

i have heard many het women say that the most well endowed men are skinny beanpoles....

and

slave owners could not keep their hands off of black women...no one will ever beat their records for rabid interracial sex...and they literally owned the women they lusted after...

interracial sex between black women and white men was so rampant for over 400 yrs that to this day blacks cannot congrehate in one room and find a consistent skin tone...

to this very day, we are all rainbow people because white men adore black women

fashion industries/cosmetic surgery etc are all ruled by duplicating the natural assets of black women...lips/butts/breasts etc

euro black men prefer women who look white/yellow...ie halle/beyonce/kim k etc

every fellow ebony sister i know will tell you...white men always stalk us and make us feel far more beautiful than fellow ebony men

here is the real thing:

all men of all races crave "strange/other/exotic flesh"...chris rock talks about this more honestly than any man i know...and he was sued by a white mistress recently...

there is ONLY one real racial difference when it comes to interracial sex:

most black men rush to have babies who DO not look black like them!

and

most white men cannot handle babies that do not look white like them


i have also heard tons of afro white women say bi-racial babies are cuter etc...

i chat about this often with afro peers, and they agree:

if white men could produce white looking babies with black women, far more would wed black women

so

ALL men adore interracial sex
but only black men and white women are rushing to erase their own faces via children who do not look like them


essence mag did a great feature on this once where white men who wed black women and had black kids lamented how they fear sons who look blacker as they age etc...it was deep!...shame

racism trumps sex even when the sexers are interracial...fetishizing other races sexually is often a classic symptom of racism

see much more on this:
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/colorism.htm


peace
ab

Rudy said...

Upon which premise (not anectdotes) do you base your assertion that black women are not cherished by their men?

alicia banks said...

ditto rudy:

when i look at the world i see black women cherishing black men suicidally and unconditionally...

drug mules/single moms/doting moms ruining a generation of bm scrubs/
blonde hair/blue contact lenses/anorexia etc...

and i see black men's music videos etc cherishing every other race of woman but us...

peace
ab

Rudy said...

I dispute the notion that music videos embody the mindset of black men, in general.

Rudy said...

Why do we scrutinize who people (black men in particular) date or marry?

uptownsteve said...

"when i look at the world i see black women cherishing black men suicidally and unconditionally..."

I hear this all the time but I see a lot of sisters incessantly berating and psychologically castrating the men in their lives then wondering why they get left.

Your doing it right here.

Demonizing and stereotyping black men and deifying black women.

Some women right here in DC beat her 11 year old son over the head with a pipe because he wouldn't give her the $11 he earned washing cars.

She wanted to get high.

I would never suggest that she typifies black women.

But there plenty of 'em out there.

And raise your BET videos with a few Terry McMillan and Alice Walker books.

alicia banks said...

rudy

we agree ro disagree

media images rule a NEW generation bombarded by them 24 hrs each day...

kids today rarely read books...yet they live in tv and online...

colorism is more rabid than ever...obama has ironically worsened that even as he chose a chocolate queen in michelle...

see 2 classic books:

the color complex
by kathy russell et al

and

skin deep
by cedric herring et al

the research confirms my take

peace
ab

Mr. Whitey said...

Interesting comment by Uptownsteve. What if the picture was a bunch of ripped white guys holding up a beautiful black women. Everything else was constant including the expression on the womans face. How would people react on that one? Bet you brothas might have a slightly different take.
Speaking for myself I doubt it would change a thing. Id still feel the need to "chisel" a bit more. Weird.
When I was younger I believed, like most men do, that a hard athletic body was what kept Mrs. Whitey around. As time went by I learned that a hard body is WAY down the list for the Mrs. Even with all the experience with her and reassurance from her, I get a little hinkey looking at the taut, ripped young men around her.
Doubt things will ever change. Cool, keeps me on my toes.

Anonymous said...

OT: Read this quote by Pat Buchanan and had to share.

"First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the ’60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks — with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas — to advance black applicants over white applicants.

Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.

We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude". I LOL while reading this.

alicia banks said...

us:

i have demonized and deified no one

i have simply pointed out that black women adore black men
and that white men adore black women

i have not defended or even mentioned any abusive moms...so um...why did u?

please do not be angry at me simply because you can neither handle or dispute my racial truths...

peace
ab

uptownsteve said...

I'm sorry but there is little truth in what you say.

Only your perception.

And I'm not angry at all.

uptownsteve said...

"every fellow ebony sister i know will tell you...white men always stalk us and make us feel far more beautiful than fellow ebony men."

Then how come you rarely see white men in public with black women?

And when you do he usually looks like Gomer Pyle and she's hanging all over him like Ray Lewis on a balllcarrier.

kid said...

Blogger FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
"But how many white men prefer black women?

The sistahs are still the mules of the world."

Maybe sistahs wouldn't be the mules of the world if we were cherished by our men. Oh wait, you gonna blame this on "da white man" too?

As for white men prefering Black women, if it weren't for that penis thing, I think more white men would. But hell, who wants to compete with a TRUE Mandigo?

Ok, Imma get down off my stereotypical box now!
___________________________
You and Alicia need to get your lies together. You complained about a sista with a white woman and called her a sellout. Didn't Angela Davis marry a white woman? Angela ain't a sellout, but you and Alicia are.You and Alicia hate black men...period.When Alicia made gay jokes about men you joined in. BTW, I'm not gay. So much for you and Alicia being tolerant.How can she be tolerant when she believes in Santa Claus and Alex Jones a Republiklan wingnut ?Then one second you go on a diatribe about mixed relationships , then the next you say that you have offspring from a relationship. Get your lies straight.One second you're homophobic, the next you're pro-gay. You people in PUMA are just confused.

alicia banks said...

us:

we agree to disagree re: ALL

and ps:

i adore alice and terry
so
i raise you:

any vh1 reality dating show where all the black male icons choose wf winners in the end...

{most youth do not read so i did not raise you any authors...smile

but see:

why black men love white women
by rajen persaud

and

love in black and white
(my personal fav book ever penned by an interrcial couple...raw truths herein!)
by
mark & gail mathabane}

peace
ab

tjwash said...

All I see is a reminder of how badly I need to get back to the gym.

alicia banks said...

kid:

as usual
your juvenile waaaaaaay off-topic tangents and incoherent rants are completely unintelligible to me

i do not believe in santa claus

but the NWO is very real yet magically invisible to drones like you

and alex jones is far more literate and aware than you...you prove that each time you post herein

fyi
ab

penis size has nothing to do with race...any viewer of any porno knows so...

funny how racist and sexists like you selectively choose to keep only the most flattering racial myths alive

fyi
ab

uptownsteve said...

"i adore alice and terry."

No surprise there.

"any vh1 reality dating show where all the black male icons choose wf winners in the end..."

Don't watch 'em so I can't comment.

But what really cracks me up is that for all your claims of black women "adoring" black men, YOU don't seem to.

You're an admitted lesbian who just claimed that white men make you feel more beautiful than black men?!!!??!!

Maybe it's just me.

peace to you my sistah

Steve

alicia banks said...

us:

where do you live?

i see many gorgeous white men and women in pairs

perhaps you need to visit chicago or LA?

or even hollywood?
robin thicke and david bowie and
george lucas are all very handsome wm wed to black queens

halle did really well too after being dogged out by bros...

good luck with that..

peace
ab

alicia banks said...

us:

smile...
twisting my words will not make you look like you're winning this debate....

i am blessed to be made to feel beautiful by women and men of all races..daily....bros included

my adoration of eric benet and barry white and many others is old public news...fyi

but when you are done lying one me:

most black men will still be euro colorists

&

my racial truths will still be their own defense

fyi

see more on the black men i love here:

http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/kolabs.htm

peace
ab

uptownsteve said...

"halle did really well too after being dogged out by bros..."

I see exactly what you're about Alicia.

later.

alicia banks said...

i am about cold hard universal racial truths

and i am about human love
black white het gay...

no more
no less

halle's man gabriel aubry is a top male model and he treats her like a queen

he is also french
i am a fluent french speaking francophile

they have a lovely daughter
and she is pregnant again

best wishes

one love
peace
ab

kid said...

Hey uptownsteve, Alicia and Fly are FAKE activist. That site she has is Astroturf(fake grassroots). Her job is to cause chaos and disorder.Some of her "friends" that she blog with blog on Stormfront,am I lying Alicia ?Your friend Sugarnspice gets a shoutout on Stormfront.Like 2Pac said "which side are you on ?"

uptownsteve said...

"i am about cold hard universal racial truths."

puh-leeze.

You're about hatin' on black men.

I have a good idea why but I won't comment.

uptownsteve said...

Kid

"Some of her "friends" that she blog with blog on Stormfront,am I lying Alicia ?"

wow.

But ya know, I'm not all that surprised.

alicia banks said...

us:

"hating on black men" = saying anything that is not doting/suicidal

so,
i am very cool with your slur
fyi

feel free to send me your bogus "idea" privately:
ambwww@yahoo.com

like most lesbians, i have never been molested or hurt by any man
but
black women have broken my heart many times...yet i still adore them exclusively

___

kid: i do not play with mental midgets...shoo!

i do not control what sugar does

i love her blog and i have never read one lie she ever printed!

have u?
ab

kid said...

Yes Alicia I guess brother's can't treat a sister as good as Phil Specter or Drew and Scott Peterson.You don't have a positive thing to say about a black man at all. You like Sean Klannity more than the President.

alicia banks said...

kiddie:

what is the url to your blog???

your envy and cowardice are perpetually amusing...thanks for the guffaws!

stop hating on my blog etc!!!...

and man up enough to buck up to sugar & fly directly...stop bashing me as their surrogates

grown folks get at each other directly kid

grow up!
ab
OUTLOOK
http://aliciabanks.blogspot.com
ELOQUENT FURY
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww

alicia banks said...

kid

killers come in all races...

maybe you should chose superior bars for racial comparisons?

and?

i have said many positive things about real black men...

your weak lies will never erase one utterance

fyi
ab

uptownsteve said...

Alicia,

Tell me you don't pal around with Stormfronters.

Do you?

alicia banks said...

kiddo:

i never said anyone was a sell out
and i never complained

i simply stated a fact about pam's white spouse to illustrate that she is not as afro and far less tame than i am as a black lesbian icon

to each her own!

i stand by that statement

you are confusing my reality with your own lies about me...tragic...
get a grip!

i love many black men and many interracial duos

i have no control over your own feuds with your own fantasies about me...

keep lying and imagining things,
ab

kid said...

kid: i do not play with mental midgets...shoo!

i do not control what sugar does

i love her blog and i have never read one lie she ever printed!

have u?
_______________
I documented Sugar's bull . She called the President Straight, Gay, anti-Gay,Muslim, Marxist racist Socialist,too black, not black enough. Why a few day's ago she sent a shoutout to Michael Savage.She praises Fox constantly.I need a little pocket change. How much do they pay you to SELL OUT ?

alicia banks said...

no

i do not and never have

sugar may...but i still love her an her blog regardless

what adults do you control?

are you ok now?

got valium?
ab

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
"You only get love and respect when you give it."

Actually that should read "you only get love when you EARN it, at least that's how ALL my confident sistah friends roll!

alicia banks said...

us and kid:

you lost the debate on topic
so u r way off topic again
smile

sugar/obama/stormfront have NOTHING to do with FN's post or art
and
you are lying!!!

fyi:

obama's bisexual sagas are old news

i do not agree with all anyone pens

obama is a liar and may be a muslim
his name is muslim
his adopted dad was muslim

obama pimped tucc and has not joined a church since...no need to

savage is no less a puppet than obama

again you are lost in your own mythical madness

how can i be a "sellout" and "grassroots simultaneously"??


i am more real and wiser than you will ever be...

your mental mazes not my problem,
ab

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
"You're an admitted lesbian who just claimed that white men make you feel more beautiful than black men?!!!??!!"

YOU called black women mules in this post, YOU!! And you wonder why AB makes that claim about Black men?

Take a look in a mirror my brotha because YOU are part of the problem. That is if you can do it without it either cracking or not showing you your reflection!

alicia banks said...

i meany ms

steele is no more a puppet than obama

both work for the RNC/gwb...

ask the bankers so...

ab

kid said...

Blogger alicia banks said...

kiddo:

i never said anyone was a sell out
and i never complained

i simply stated a fact about pam's white spouse to illustrate that she is not as afro and far less tame than i am as a black lesbian icon
_________________
You are busted. Angela Davis MARRIED a white woman.She was and IS on the frontline,you are fake. Frantz Fanon spouse was white and Malcolm read him.Richard Pryor married a few white women and he helped financed the Black Panthers. Huey P. Newton was his friend. You don't judge a person's negritude by the dreads, fro or perm. You judge their negritude by what's under it.You can reach my blog by hyperlink. I ain't going anywhere.

alicia banks said...

kiddie:

clearly u r the one keeping scores on white lovers...not i

why is that so relevant to YOU???

i never said pam was not a warrior

i said she was a far more euro and tame one than i

yes
i have never seen angela with a bf

and i revere her and have never said anything negative about her

i refuse to allow a mental midget like you to pit me againsy any sister warriors

pam & angela included

i said she was a less afro one

ditto

so what is your "point"?

you are such a transparent bogus liar

what?
ab

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
"Then how come you rarely see white men in public with black women?
And when you do he usually looks like Gomer Pyle and she's hanging all over him like Ray Lewis on a balllcarrier."

The last white man I dated had a was 6'3" tall, slim, had PhD in Engineering, a BMW, a nice home in a great neighborhood, blond hair, and the bluest eyes you'd ever seen. And we went out in public too and brotha's like you, often with white women on their arms, gave me a HARD time, LOL!!!

So UNLIKE the MANY Black men I see with white trailer trash, I dear sir, did not step down in ANY way form of fashion.

Sistahs these days, especially those that are highly educated, aren't stupid enough to get caught up in the idea of their only being one or two brothas in their med school, law school, and POhD programs because there's ALWAYS PLENTY of folks from other races to go around! Hell brotha's been doing this sh*t for years and payback is a real royal b*tch!!

west coast story said...

I guess I'm in a good mood today. When I read Anon 9:44am accusing anyone who wasn't offended the photos of (black) self hatred and wanting to "just get along" with people, I had to laugh. Ahhh, my goodness. So ridiculous I don't even have the energy to rip him a new one. All this self important, sociological posturing about some fashion photography that most people won't ever even hear about. Seriously.

The photos are still gorgeous.

alicia banks said...

amen fly!

and notice how black men who do earn respect never whine about or
have any trouble attracting endless respectful black women???

only court jesters lament not being trated like kings...

peace
ab

alicia banks said...

ditto fly

not to mention that most americans of all races are obese

many wm prefer their women anorexic

so TONS of fat white women are chasing bros....by default...and catching them too

peace
ab

kid said...

Blogger alicia banks said...

us and kid:

you lost the debate on topic
so u r way off topic again
smile

sugar/obama/stormfront have NOTHING to do with FN's post or art
and
you are lying!!!

fyi:

obama's bisexual sagas are old news

i do not agree with all anyone pens

obama is a liar and may be a muslim
his name is muslim
his adopted dad was muslim

obama pimped tucc and has not joined a church since...no need to

savage is no less a puppet than obama

again you are lost in your own mythical madness

how can i be a "sellout" and "grassroots simultaneously"??


i am more real and wiser than you will ever be...

your mental mazes not my problem,
ab

____________________
I told you the more you speak the more you make yourself look like a Tom.

"obama is a liar and may be a muslim
his name is muslim"...Alicia that's not illegal in America.

how can i be a "sellout" and "grassroots simultaneously"??...Ever heard of ACORN and Glenn Beck the guy that's trying to get a lynch mob to kill the President ?They do that ALL day on FOX Nation and Gretawire.YOU'LL LOVE IT !

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
"I hear this all the time but I see a lot of sisters incessantly berating and psychologically castrating the men in their lives then wondering why they get left."

Can you say cop out? Most Black women are known NOT to be doormats and I think history partly made us that way.

So as the old saying goes "don't start nothin', won't be nothin'.

Rudy, I'd refer you to just about ANY rap video for how educated, intelligent, Black men allow with their silence, black women to be charcterized as b*tches and ho's.

west coast story said...

Oh, lord. The War of Trolls.

alicia banks said...

kid:

get back on topic!!!!

it is illegal to tell the truth about obama's muslim childhood?

glenn beck is a grassroots liberal?

fox is liberal?

really??????

fyi

i am ultra liberal
and you are universally clueless...

fyi
ab

FlyNMy40s said...

alicia banks said...
and notice how black men who do earn respect never whine about or
have any trouble attracting endless respectful black women???

only court jesters lament not being trated like kings...
"so TONS of fat white women are chasing bros....by default...and catching them too

peace
ab
----------------------------

AB you're on a role with the humor today, ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

alicia banks said...

thanks fly!
ditto

i love your raises!
they bested mine

when us and kiddie clown me herein...
the circus is contagious...

notice how they never stay on topic???


peace
ab

FlyNMy40s said...

Whenever I see/read a so called hetero Black man go off the deep end on a strong hetero Black woman, the first thing I think is that he's probably abusive in real life. But when I see a so called hetero Black man go off the deep end on a lesbian, I think in real life he's jealous her "skills" are better than his.

I'm just saying............

alicia banks said...

ha!

lol...ditto!

i agree...and since they are both so concerned with myths about sexual organs...

they probably fear the potential superiority of far more...ie talents/toys/physiques etc...

all men who are so obsessed with phallic myths only prove their limited sexual imaginations/prowess...

nahmean????

peace
ab

kid said...

Blogger alicia banks said...

kid:

get back on topic!!!!

it is illegal to tell the truth about obama's muslim childhood?

glenn beck is a grassroots liberal?

____________________
What Muslim childhood? Both parents were atheist.If he was Muslim what that got to do with the price of tea in China ?

Second you're about as liberal as Glenn Beck. He says the same Alex Jones lies you do. If Hillary was President you 'll be slamming her right now.Remember Palin's just like Hillary...yea right.You agree with 101% of what Fox says. If you we're in charge I'll be picking cotton right now.

alicia banks said...

kidding:

i am a veteran media warrior
&
i am an ultra liberal afrocentric scholar
&
i am a radical humanitarian/bohemian who trusts NO politicos

i know hillary and i know chicago...so i do trust hc far more than bo

you have no idea who i am or what i believe

fix that

and stop making a total fool of your childish lying self herein

buh-bye now,
ab

alicia banks said...

kiddo:

i missed your ref to sean hannity

again u r only proving that u know NOTHING about me

i loathe him
always have

i used to slay him on the air atlanta long ago...even as a guest on his own show at wgst...long before newt g made him a superstar


see more:
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/imus.htm


fyi
ab

uptownsteve said...

"I guess I'm in a good mood today. When I read Anon 9:44am accusing anyone who wasn't offended the photos of (black) self hatred and wanting to "just get along" with people, I had to laugh."

I bet you didn't read anything to the Fox Nation clip yesterday with the rifle pointed at Obama and Jesse Jackson.

Some of you negroes won't wake up until there is a rope around your neck and you're being dragged behind a truck.

kid said...

I can tell that you are fake Alicia because everyone on the RIGHT has to say the same thing ALL THE TIME ! For some strange reason you and Fly agree 100% of the time. I don't even agree with my friends 100% of the time.You like to try and insult me by calling me Gay and bi-sexual. That's some shit out of high school. That was one of the first things Fox tried to slam the President with when he first decided to run.Alicia if you got so much juice, impress me and take Fox off the air. BTW,your blog is kind of Norma Desmond like...scarry.If you're a media giant stop talking and HELP THE RACE! Get all the credit you want, I don't care.Talk is cheap.

kid said...

Hey uptownsteve, some of us are like the maid in The Omen. Remember "happy birthday Dameon".They would protect massa property better than their own.They rather serve in hell, than rule in heaven.Alicia and Fly make Jesse Lee Peterson look like Malcolm X.

alicia banks said...

fly:

do u see this fool kid?

he is serious!...that is what is scary!

does he not agree with other sexists and racists herein 100% of the time?

what has he done for anyone?

where is his blog?

bold fool yo!
ab

uptownsteve said...

Flynmy40s

"The last white man I dated had a was 6'3" tall, slim, had PhD in Engineering, a BMW, a nice home in a great neighborhood, blond hair, and the bluest eyes you'd ever seen."

Can you get any more stereotypical with your Nordic dreamboat?

LMAO!!!

So what happened between you two?

He couldn't deal with your voice being deeper than his?

True Blue Texan said...

I say "C".

I see it as a work of technical and artistic merit, regardless of the underlying possible racist context.

uptownsteve said...

kid

There seems to be a proliferation of these types on the web these days.

From LaShawn Barber to those manhating wackos over at "What About Our Daughters."

I know that there are a lot of angry sisters out here, many for good reason.

But the Alicias and Flys take it to a whole new obscene level.

kathy said...

There are a lot of rings in the photographs, and I wonder if the first photo of the face and hands isn't representative of a ring.
It also looks like the model is staring at a ring in one of the photos as if she has won a prize. Another photo, where the female model has her legs around the neck and shoulders of the male model, she has a very odd expressions on her face, she sort of looks like a mime or court jester, not sure.

I don't know who would be the most pissed off, but I would expect that the crowd at the Manhattan cocktail party would be the most likely to buy those photos. How about all of the above, I didn't see that one.

alicia banks said...

fly:

us(aka kid) has revealed both his racism and sexism again herein...

did he not begin this rant by saying it was ok for black men to be ideal "dreamboats" to all??

why can't this be so for wm ones too then?

and

many sexists hate me because i am femme with a sexy feminine voice...
as if butch lesbians with rough voices care about them any less than i do:

"Alicia Banks jumped the tracks from FM to AM, sending sparks through the airwaves and widening debates on heated topics...Banks is no ordinary talk show host. She's articulate, intelligent, and above all, she's fearless...Banks' soft graceful voice belies the forcefulness of her views...Since 1989, the French-fluent host has segued personal commentary and literary messages with hours of music..." ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION 10/14/1993



shake that hater off sista!
peace
ab

alicia banks said...

hey fly!

he just complimented our superior cosmic warrior skills....

gee, thanks dude!

see more on our regal rage:
http://www.geocities.com/ambwww/JILL-NELSON.htm

appreciate that!
ab

BlackStocking said...

E- none of the above. Bunch of gay men- they ain't mad-they just shouting "Carry me next!"

And, yes- I love all humans regardless of color, sexual orientation, etc. EXCEPT Rethuglicans w/ new guns.

alicia banks said...

bs:

ha!

they may be gay...but typically buff butch gay bros would always do the butch carrying!

peace
ab

cinco said...

oooh, the 'haters' of the women over at "What about our daughters" are misinformed, ignorant, paronoid and full of shit.

Blogs are a tool to express your opinions (generally) about a variety of subject matter. There are all types of people on here. Unless you know someone personally you're privy to only a side of them...not the entire person. How far will we be able to go when even people on the internet, often anonymous at that 'threaten' the fabric of society? Then we wonder why discrimination and all the other social ills still exist? Because, too many people are trifling.

Frank Drackman said...

Jokes on the supermodel...
All the Black Dudes are on the "DL"

alicia banks said...

amen cinco

and too many weak men jump at every opportunity to bash/slander/libel strong women...

even of they have to fabricate such an opp by ranting way off topic herein...


peace
ab

Eddie said...

Alicia:

That's the thing too. Black women will do the same thing, but nothing is made of it because most rationalize it saying black men are dogs. And trust me, this is not a stab at only black women because some women will do it just because that is who they are. I realized that whom a person dates is of no one's concern as long as the other person is not abusive. I mean, no one even has the option to tolerate interracial or same sex couples because its really no one's business to begin with.

kid said...

Blogger alicia banks said...

fly:

us(aka kid) has revealed both his racism and sexism again herein...

did he not begin this rant by saying it was ok for black men to be ideal "dreamboats" to all??
______________
First I didn't say that. YOU DID ! Second the sisters at What About Our Daughters,KNOW ME ! If someone got a problem with them that's their problem.You ,Frank,and Fly are Astroturf.Your buddies are even starting to call the President "the devil".You're CoCo for Coo-Coo Puffs.

Mr. Whitey said...

Fly, I got an idea Mr. Uptown wouldnt get a second look from somebody like you. I think you could smell his thin game as soon as the bus let him off at the club.

Men of any race need to learn not just how to treat a woman, but how to become the man she deserves. It has little to do with looks (even though I get jitterty when Mrs. Whitey looks at pics like these) and more to do with who we as men are.
As soon as I realized Mrs. Whitey was serious about me I was nervous. Nervous because I wasnt sure I could be the kind of man she would demand. Had to do with honesty, seriousness, growth, courage and making sure her dreams were more important than mine.
CHRIST, I sound like Dr. fuckin Phil.
I found out life is a lot more simple that everybody tells you. Concentrate on the big things, let the little ones slide by.

15 yrs married, three kids. I know of what I speak.
Just my 2 cents.

uptownsteve said...

"Black women will do the same thing, but nothing is made of it because most rationalize it saying black men are dogs."

EXACTLY.

Sisters like Alicia feel righteous and justified in their hatred and if a black man stands up to them then they either call you "weak" (challenging your manhood) or a "mysoginist" (the black brute).

Anonymous said...

"sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"

uptownsteve said...

"Fly, I got an idea Mr. Uptown wouldnt get a second look from somebody like you. I think you could smell his thin game as soon as the bus let him off at the club."

Mr. Whitey I've got a beautiful black woman already so I'm definitely not shopping.

Especially not from some deprived neurotic.

But it always kills me how protective you white righties are of your black conservative pets.

They make you feel all warm, fuzzy and superior, don't they?

BTW Whitey, you date black women?

kid said...

I have no problems with weak women or strong women.Just hypocrites.Alicia why do you bring up your old news clippings, that's straight out of "Sunset Blvd".If you want to impress me get Sean Klannity off the air TODAY.That would impress me.Get Oreilly and Beck fired.

Mr. Whitey said...

Mr. Uptown; If you posessed the concentration stamina to read my post in entirety, you would have seen that I am married 15 yrs. I date nobody.

Dont know why you assume Im a deprived neurotic, not really interested. If you can make complicated psychological diagnoses from one internet post, you sir are under-employed.

Your immediate plunge into name calling tells me loads about who I am dealing with.

The only thing Im protective about here are positions which I feel are correct. Dont care who says them, even if you do. and the only person Im feeling superior over right now is you.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Regardless of everyone's perception of the picture, which has a lot to do with the eye of the beholder, I like the picture, myself.

uptownsteve said...

First off I was call Fly a neurotic.

Second off don't attempt to play victim when you decided to hurl a gratutious, unprovoked attack on me.

I mean what is it with you righties?

You take the first swing and then cry like a 3 year old when you're punched back?

Here's some advice, don't let your mouth write a check your azz can't cash.

kathy said...

mr. whitey, i think the reference to deprived neurotic was for fly, concentration stamina alert.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Off Topic:

Last night I had a dream about a baby who kept putting newspaper in its mouth. The baby was choking on pieces of newspaper. I reached in the baby's mouth and pulled some of the paper out but fast as I oould snatch it out of the baby's mouth. While still trying to pulled the rest of the paper out, I remember thinking to myself, "Why in the world is this baby intent on putting something in its mouth that is harmful to it."

The baby was constantly trying to eat bad news and choking on it. I was trying my best to save the baby from choking, but the baby was stubborn even though the contents of bad news was deadly to it's own well-being.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Correction:

* I reached in the baby's mouth and pulled some of the paper out but fast as I oould snatch it out of the baby's mouth, the baby was putting more in it's mouth.*

Minnie said...

I'm with you Granny.
The photos are nice. I don't see it as racist. I've looked at all of the photos and I think the photos are meant to be provocative, especially after the King Kong Vogue cover. Now that was racist or at least racially insensitive, I don't give a damn what anyone says. Maybe this was the photographers attempt at systematic desensitization or exposure therapy. In other words "get over it".

I think some would still have a reaction if it were a black woman being held by white men because of the history of black female slaves being raped by white men. But I don't think the reaction would be nearly as strong.

kathy said...

Granny, that is an interesting dream, sounds like you were trying to save the baby from eating fake news?

Mr. Whitey said...

""Fly, I got an idea Mr. Uptown wouldnt get a second look from somebody like you. I think you could smell his thin game as soon as the bus let him off at the club.""

Mr. Whitey I've got a beautiful black woman already so I'm definitely not shopping.

Especially not from some deprived neurotic.

HMMM.. you quote from my post, you answer my post. Note the word "from". This implies you take no advice "from" the one who gave it, which was me. If you typed the word "for" that might change the focus. My concentration was fine, your writing however...

My "azz" can cash any check I write. Not shying away from anything. You want a flame war, Im up. For the record, I do not. I dont think my pointing out you would have no chance with Fly was an unprovoked attack, you didnt really think you did either, did you?

My point about you and Fly was that she seems intelligent, polished and accomplished. You seem young, impulsive and reactionary. Those traits (outside of the horriffic TV show "The Cougar") are usually incompatible. Single professional women usually dont want to mother a young buck with a shoulder chip the size of a christmas ham. If you are older and professional, so be it. You write like a kid.

You assume much about me. Based no doubt on my race. If I did the same thing you would be very upset. I assume nothing. I suggest you do the same. No victim here pal, I enjoy a spirited debate. I take no offense whatsoever.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Yup, Minnie, I agree. Granny is a senior citizen and the first thought came to my mind was the nice chocolate bodies the men had and that the one that you could see face was a nice looking chocolate man. And that they picked some nice models for the picture, including the woman. I might be older but I ain't dead and I can still see. (smile)

BTW, I still think that Field and Christopher should be on the cover of a GQ magazine. I think I'll write GQ and tell them that they are discriminating against the two of them. (wink)

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
Can you get any more stereotypical with your Nordic dreamboat?

LMAO!!!

So what happened between you two?

He couldn't deal with your voice being deeper than his?
----------------------------------

There you go again speaking with your head up your ass.

I personally don't find Blonds particularly attractive, so there goes your first stereotype out the window. I'm simply open to all races. And nothing "happened", my husband and I are friends with him, our kids go to school together and we live in the same neighborhoos. I simply chose a 6'3" Chocolate Brother with a Master's in Engineering instead of a PhD. However, notice that I didn't alter my standards one bit as so many Black men do when the marry a white sec'y in the office passing over the collegue sistah with the law degree, roll eyes!

Mr. Whitey, you're absolutely right, insecure, sh*t talking men, have NEVER been appealing to me.

AB, it's ALWAYS a pleasure tag teaming on weak men on the net with you!

Deacon Blue said...

I say "E"

While there is the potential to set off any number of bad reactions and opinions, the rape image is far from my mind as she looks a bit too cool with the situation.

What I wonder is why all the dudes are black carrying a white woman? I'm not saying we need a United Colors of Benneton ad here, but we couldn't do a mix of two or three races of men and still make a striking set of contrasts in B&W?

So, I think some racial things motivated this photo (desire to shock, fetishism, idea that black men desire and need white woman...who know what else), but I think it's just about anything BUT the rape idea at work here.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Deacon Blue:

I pray that all has been well with you. Good to see ya again.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

It is all in the eye of the beholder. People see different things through different lenses, just like reading they have different takes on what they've read. I remember a picture of what looked like a young woman, but if you did a double take and looked at the picture again, it also, was an older woman. Some only saw the young woman, some only saw the older woman, and some saw both of them. So, it depends on the eye of the beholder (whose eyes something is being seen through. It depends on a person's perception of things.

FlyNMy40s said...

uptown, here's my problem with you and Black folks who think like you. You CLAIM to want peace among the races, ect ect, but EVERYTHING in your personal life says "Black only need apply".

Me, I don't just talk about singing Kumbaya around a campfire, I actually live it. My church has a white pastor, a biracial director of music, and a black usher board chairman. Last weekend, I had 5 girls at my house for a sleepover, one hispanic, 2 white, one Asian Indian, and one Chinese. And my personal physicans look like a meeting of the UN, yes, including Black ones.

So while you're running around shouting, Black, Black, Black, about every dam thing, many folks, including ones that look like you are saying to themselves, Coon, Coon, Coon!

Now how's that for neurotic?

uptownsteve said...

"I personally don't find Blonds particularly attractive, so there goes your first stereotype out the window."

So why were you pratically swooning when you said this:

"The last white man I dated had a was 6'3" tall, slim, had PhD in Engineering, a BMW, a nice home in a great neighborhood, blond hair, and the bluest eyes you'd ever seen."

Are you hittin' the sherm this early?

uptownsteve said...

"uptown, here's my problem with you and Black folks who think like you. You CLAIM to want peace among the races, ect ect, but EVERYTHING in your personal life says "Black only need apply".

My problem with people like you is that you no connection with reality whatsoever.

Your entire conversation is an endless stream of lies, diversions, red herrings, strawmen and incredible leaps in logic.

Your momma know go out in public this stupid?

alicia banks said...

kid/us:

i posted that clip as a ref to my sexy soft voice...fyi....stop drinking that supersized haterade and get your own media career/radio show/blog/black queen etc!!!....i have taken care of all of that in my own life

stop showing your weakness my calling on me to make your wishes come true...you go fix the world as you see fit!!!...do you as i do me and stop calling on me like i am your supershero!!!...this is so...weird and weak!!!

you have called me a neocon/a sean h fan/ a man hater/ a fake etc...
all of those things are blatant lies!...i must be pretty awesome if you can only lie to insult me...
thanks!

i will never give anyone a pass to lie on me/selectively and unfairly attack black women who love wm as they simultaneously praise bm and wf for interracial adorations/slur my heros/sheros/peers etc...

i will never apologize for calling out weak court jesters posing as kings and i will never let up on racists and sexists and gaybashers and drones...

returning to the topic, i see the photo as racist and inaccurate as i stated originally

none of the the routine tag team attacks by resident male perp bromancers us and kid will ever change that fact...

take notes,
ab
____

fly:

i am honored to be yout sister warrior always!

am i the only one that has noticed that us and kiddie stay so confused and so way off topic???

much love!
ab

alicia banks said...

fky

ditto

the same blacks who dare to call me racist because i am afrocentric
and love black women exclusively

are the very same ones who call me euro because i am down with white warriors like alex jones and andrew hacker

go figure

actions speak louder than words

true rebels are universal and colorless

peace
ab

uptownsteve said...

Alicia,

Stop talking to yourself.

It's pathetic.

alicia banks said...

us:

see?

only a brazen sexist fool would dare to post such an arrogant sexis fantasy...

keep pretending,
ab

Rudy said...

uptownsteve said...
"Then how come you rarely see white men in public with black women?
And when you do he usually looks like Gomer Pyle and she's hanging all over him like Ray Lewis on a balllcarrier."
You are a cool cat in my book, but I must throw the bullshit flag on that one.

It's usually the other way around-- handsome black man and a atrocious looking or fat white woman.

It's a sad state of affairs. A ugly or fat white woman is so arrogant that think she can pull a handsome black man after being rejected by her own kind (in general, white men love that pubescent-boyish hips and fake boobs...just kidding).

uptownsteve said...

Rudy,

I'll have to disagree.

My youngest brother is married to a white woman and she looks a young Elizabeth Montgomery.

I've seen fat ugly brothers with fat ugly white women but usually a good looking brother is gonna want something fine on his arm, whatever color.

As far as white men are concerned their first choice is always going to be the skinny white girl with big tits.

I went to school with them, served in the military with them and work and do business with them now.

I see how they roll everyday.

uptownsteve said...

Now Rudy I will admit that I've seen brothers with some white women who aren't near as fine as the sisters they could be dating and that is a form of self-hatred for sure.

But as far as a handsome brother with a white dog?

Nah. Why would you?

Frank Drackman said...

Steve,
you served with skinny white girls with big tits??? Were you in the military or with the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders??
Wierd

Frank

alicia banks said...

rudy:

ditto!
thank you!

do u remember how pretty maria shriver and posh spice were before they wed wm? now they are both emaciated!

the thing that all women love about black men is that the let us eat!

spoken like a true king rudy...and queens like abbey lincoln and i and fly agree with you!

per abbey:

Jazz stylist and author Abbey Lincoln managed to capture this exact same offensiveness as exhibited by heterosexual white women, in her enraged classic essay entitled “Who Will Revere The Black Woman?”, published in the renowned womanist anthology The Black Woman, edited by Toni Cade (1970):

“We are the women whose bars and recreation halls are invaded by flagrantly disrespectful, bigoted, simpering, amoral, emotionally unstable, outcast, maladjusted, nyphomaniacal, condescending white women...in desperate and untiring search of the “frothing-at-the-mouth-for-a white-woman, strong backed, sixty-minute hot black”.... We are the women who, upon protesting this invasion of our privacy and sanctity and sanity, are called “jealous”, and “evil”, and “small-minded”, and “prejudiced”...

When a white man “likes colored girls”, his woman (the white woman) is the last one he wants to know about it. Yet, seemingly, when a Negro “likes white girls”, his woman (the Black woman) is the first he wants to know about it. White female rejects and social misfits are flagrantly flaunted in our faces as the ultimate in feminine pulchritude. Our women are encouraged by our own men to strive to look and act as much like the white female image as possible, and only those who approach that “goal” in physical appearance and social behavior are acceptable. At best, we are made to feel that we are poor imitations and excuses for white women.

Evil? Evil, you say? The Black woman is hurt, confused, frustrated, angry, resentful, frightened, and evil! Who in this hell dares suggest that she should be otherwise? These attitudes only point up her perception of the situation and her healthy rejection of the same.”

much respect rudy!
ab

uptownsteve said...

"you served with skinny white girls with big tits???"

No Frank but I "served" a few in my time if you what I mean.

tee hee

Rudy said...

steve said...Now Rudy I will admit that I've seen brothers with some white women who aren't near as fine as the sisters they could be dating and that is a form of self-hatred for sure.

But as far as a handsome brother with a white dog?

Nah. Why would you?
That's all I was saying. I should have qualified my statement with "from what I have seen."

I served in the Army. ETS'd 2008. You have more roughewn-looking women then pretty women in the Army. Air Force has the prettiest women.

uptownsteve said...

Air Force has the most gays too.

At Bolling AFB in Washington, DC back in the 80s when I was in the USCG the AF gays were right out in the open.

We had some hard looking females in the CG but we had a few fine ones at Headquarters.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

off Topic:

Rudy how long were you over in Iraq? I have family on both sides serving over in Iraq and well, no news is good news as far as I'm concerned (meaning their still alive). Thank God!

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
"No Frank but I "served" a few in my time if you what I mean.
tee hee"

And apparently it wasn't all that, LOL!!! You know I go sooooo many places with this comment after being called you had he nerve to call me stupid which is a compliment coming from you, I won't out of respect for Fields blog. And quite frankly Ihave somewhat of a limit as to how far I'll publically exterminate a brotha, but man you're pushing it!

BTW, just because I can appreciate a variety of beauty deosn't mean I have to like it all. Everyone has their personal favs, or is that NOT allowed?

And Rudy, you're right on point with that one!

And Mr. Whitey, sounds like the Mrs. got a good one with you!

alicia banks said...

ditto fly!

who can look at brad pitt or blair underwood or charlize theron or gabrielle union and say they are not beautiful?

beauty is universal and colorless...only the racist and sexually insecure deny this...

peace
ab

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