Sunday, November 01, 2009

Pastor, please don't shoot, you might hit the usher.



"The beloved of the LORD shall dwell in safety by him; and the LORD shall cover him all the day long.~Deuteronomy 33:12"

That verse from the good book should end with the words: I give my humble servant a Glock to protect thee with so that he can covereth thee better.

Seriously, WTF? I know it's bad in Motown, but preachers with guns?
The following is from the AP:

"DETROIT - The Rev. Lawrence Adams teaches his flock at the Westside Bible Church to turn the other cheek. Just in case, though, the 54-year-old retired police lieutenant also wears a handgun under his robe.

Adams is one of several Detroit clergymen who have taken to packing heat in the pulpit. They have committed their lives to a man who preached nonviolence and told followers to love their enemies. But they also say it's up to them to protect their parishioners in church.

"As a pastor, I'm referred to as a shepherd," Adams said. "Shepherds have the responsibility of watching over their flock. Do I want to hurt somebody? Absolutely not!"
Responding to a break-in at his church on a Sunday evening, Adams surprised a burglar carrying out a bag of loot and shot the man in the abdomen after the man swung the bag at him.


The burglar survived - for which Adams is grateful - but the pastor said he could have been hurt or killed if he had not been armed.


Detroit had the nation's highest homicide rate last year among cities of at least 500,000 residents. The city has been losing manufacturing jobs for decades, and these days about one in four working-age residents is without a job.

The northwest Detroit neighborhood surrounding Adams' church isn't one of the city's most dangerous. But there have been many recent reports of crimes in the area, including four burglaries, three auto thefts, one armed robbery, and four assaults, including one with intent to murder.


"It's getting worse because of the economy," Adams said. "People are out of work and feel they have to provide for their families."

Prior to 2000, anyone who wanted to carry a concealed weapon in Michigan had to show a need to do so. Now, gun owners simply have to pass a stringent background check and complete eight hours of handgun training.

"I get people from all walks of life, including pastors," said Rick Ector, owner of Rick's Firearm Academy in Detroit. "But it's not anything specific to pastors. Detroit is not a very safe place."
Michigan allows pastors to decide if someone registered to carry a handgun can do so for protection inside churches. "'


Oh lawd, pastor! Seriously, what ever happened to turning the other cheek? I guess with these urban terrorist running around that is not an option. So protect your flock you must. Oh yes, and let's not forget the offering plate. [Story]

200 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bottom Line...It is our God given right (that's correct, it's not a Governement/Man given right) to protect our self/family/community. Get over it!

Anonymous said...

I can't really blame this guy; Detroit's no joke when it come to crime.

hennasplace said...

A thought occurred to me when the pastor mentioned that more people are out of work and they are getting desperate that perhaps that him and his parishioners could help these people who are most in need. Somehow the downtroden must remind moral despite the fact that their basic necessary such food and shelter are not being met because of job lost. Humans, we are so moral when it is conventient and talking about protecting sheep. How searching and caring for those who are lost? Where is the compassion? The golden rule doing unto others as you would have others to you seems to missing in the pastor's homily. I guess shooting them is easier to do than the latter. Damn it is hard to be good.

Anonymous said...

In Detroit, that pastor was smart to have a gun where crime and lack of jobs are at an all-time high among Blacks. He might have been dead without it.

Always remember the great Christian saying:

"The Lord helps those who help themselves!"

Anonymous said...

I'd be too afraid he'd shoot me cuz I didn't put enough in the collection plate.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field:

See, I knew your next topic would be about Christians. Why am I not surprise?

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Oh yeah, and I forgot to say this. "Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you." Whether folks know it or not, that scripture works two ways, and has a double meaning.

The way you treat people is the way you want them to treat you.

Anonymous said...

"Whether folks know it or not, that scripture works two ways, and has a double meaning."

Bullshit. For Christians, it has only one meaning and that is the way Christ meant it. Any other way is an egomaniac's justification for retaliation and revenge.

Anonymous said...

“God helps those who help themselves.” isn't Christian at all. It's Ben Franklin and it's the opposite of what Christianity teaches.

--j

hennasplace said...

Yes granny, the rule could have a duplicitious meaning when the person uses it to his or her convenience. Actually, the golden rule is not exclusive to christianity, but you can find the rule in Buddhism and Confusim both religions in existence before Christianity. I think it is a good rule for anyone to follow to treat people well as you want them to treat you. However, as I wrote earlier, being good is hard work. It is not easy to be good. Very few people are good for nothing. Being good needs to have an incentive or elase what would be the point. Being good for the sake of being good is an old concept, you cannot have faith in it if you are not willing to practice it. I use the word you in generally speaking ease.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous 11:25:

If you Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, treating people the way you want to be treated means the same thing.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Thank you Henna, you understood what I was saying.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Henna, faith is the substance of things hope for an the evidence of things not yet seen.

I visualize faith as sort of like an embryo, that is birthed into existence and you believe that it already is.

hennasplace said...

I am going to say this, we really do not what Jesus meant since he did not write anything and the writers did not pen the gospels until approx. 75 to 80 CE which anywhere between 30 to 40 after Jesus' death. To add, Buddha and Socrates also did not have writings either, so in way we are left to interupt pretty much hear say from secondary sources at best, but does not mean that the topic of philosphy and religion is fascinating to me. What can I said, I am geek for humanities.

Anonymous said...

@hennasplace -- You're so right about how hard it is to be good. Recently, I've been following a criminal case that's inflamed the community because of it's horrific nature. By all accounts, the man on trial deserved to get death for what he did, an eye for an eye makes a logical sense and is easy to view as just but the command for Christians and for some other religions is to grant mercy even when you'd be justified to retaliate.

Many professed Christians abandoned that principle and the explicit example of Jesus when he intervened to stop a lawful execution (the cast the first stone story) and openly called for death rather than Life without parole. It was sad to see not just the calls for death but the absolute bloodlust. The crime cried out emotionally for death and revenge and the vast majority heeded that emotional call rather than the call to be good. In such a situation it really is hard to be good.

--j

hennasplace said...

Faith has been modernized. Faith was meant to be praticed. Faith is to trust, and we need to pratice in order to be realized. I have faith in good, but does not mean that I have practice being good in order to realize the state of goodness. It is something to think about.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Well, J and Henna don't forget that Paul said, when I try to do good evil is always present.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Henna I disagree with you about faith being modernize if I am understanding you correctly. The definition of faith hasn't changed. Trust and faith are two different things. One is sort of like believing in something you don't see. The other is unshakeable confidence in something.

Anonymous said...

“God helps those who help themselves.” isn't Christian at all. It's Ben Franklin and it's the opposite of what Christianity teaches.

It was a joke, j. But that pastor was a Christian and he shot the hell out of that robber. No doubt he believes in Ben Franklin.

Are you a Christian?

field negro said...

"Field:

See, I knew your next topic would be about Christians. Why am I not surprise?"

Granny, I did post it on a Sunday. Maybe if I went to church today the damn Hank-ees wouldn't have beaten the Fightens.

Oh well.

field negro said...

"I'd be too afraid he'd shoot me cuz I didn't put enough in the collection plate.'

Now that's funny.

Anonymous said...

hennasplace "Actually, the golden rule is not exclusive to christianity, but you can find the rule in Buddhism and Confusim both religions in existence before Christianity."

Can you tell give me the golden rule in Buddhism? Confuscism?

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field:

Smh! I'm still praying for you.

@Iseeisee, if you here, I said that 2009 would be the year of exposure but there will be more to come in 2010 up on Capitol Hill. Yup, its another scandal coming up in the near future. Some more corruption gone be exposed. It is going to be a doosie. BTW, I think I'll hold a funeral for MSM.

hennasplace said...

Yes granny inner conflict is always a struggle for humans. Evil is always going to exist, but how do we deal with it becomes the question. In the case of pastor, having a gun underneath his robe is an easy solution, but problem only is that he only has so many bullets. This would mean that he needs to figure another way to resolve the problem.

Faith does mean trust in, fidelity to one's promises, along with that the word can be used as noun or verb. Having loyalty or allience is a part of faith as well. The word as several meanings depending on the context, and it what I mean that the meaning of the word has been modernized to take on a different meaning for us.

Anonymous said...

Field -- The Golden Rule is discussed more in depth here. It's also called the ethic of reciprocity.

Some examples:
Buddhism:
“ Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor cause another to kill. ”


“One who, while himself seeking happiness, oppresses with violence other beings who also desire happiness, will not attain happiness hereafter.

Confucianism:

“ Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself. ”

— Confucius, Analects XV.24 (tr. David Hinton)

Islam:


“Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.”

— Muhammad, The Farewell Sermon

Judaism:


“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.”


— Talmud, Shabbat 31a, the "Great Principle"

--j

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I see what you saying Henna.

Anonymous said...

hennasplace, "I am going to say this, we really do not what Jesus meant since he did not write anything and the writers did not pen the gospels until approx. 75 to 80 CE which anywhere between 30 to 40 after Jesus' death."

Thanks hennasplace. I knew that bible was as phony as Christians who see a double meaning in the Golden Rule for their own selfish convenience.

BTW, you might be interested in reading a book titled "Why Can't We Be Good?" by Jacob Needleman.

Anonymous said...

hennasplace "In the case of pastor, having a gun underneath his robe is an easy solution, but problem only is that he only has so many bullets. This would mean that he needs to figure another way to resolve the problem."

you are talking about my pastor and he has already solved the problem. he now carries an extra gun strapped to his ankle and keeps a pistol hidden in the podium. he's a very practical man.

What do you recommend?

Anonymous said...

Buddhism:
“ Putting oneself in the place of another, one should not kill nor cause another to kill. ”

This has to do with a Buddhist Precept that is equivalent to the Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Kill."

There is no equivalent golden rule in Buddhism but there are Precepts.

However, in Judaism, there was a golden rule long before Christ said it. A great sage and rabbinic priest by the name of Hillel said,

"What you find hateful to you, do not do to another." This was the first Golden Rule. Christ followed hundreds of years later with his.

DetroitSam said...

"People are out of work and feel they have to provide for their families."

Yeah, right. While there may be a few who are robbing, raping and murdering to provide for their families, that is not the case for the majority. The people here do what they do because ther are ghetto thugs who would kill their mothers for a dollar or a pair of cheap plastic eye glasses.

"... perhaps that him and his parishioners could help these people who are most in need ..."

Again, yeah right. The so-called ministers here don't come out of their churches into the community and are NOT INVOLVED. They have to pry the last social security dollar out of the hands of the little old ladies because he needs another Rolex and the wife needs another diamond tiara.

Anonymous said...

@anon 12.43 -- Check the link. That's where the quotes come from and there's further explanation and criticism in terms of reciprocity. The first portion of the Buddhist command "putting oneself in another's place" is the parallel they're drawing from rather than the clause that contains the command not to kill. The debate of whether or not there's an universal ethic doesn't center around literalism or literal statements which is why the Buddhist statements have been cited by philosophers, critics, and authors arguing for reciprocity being close to universal.

--j

Anonymous said...

"Again, yeah right. The so-called ministers here don't come out of their churches into the community and are NOT INVOLVED. They have to pry the last social security dollar out of the hands of the little old ladies because he needs another Rolex and the wife needs another diamond tiara."

Well, that kills Henna's theory on how pastors can make a better Detroit. It's easy for folks a long way from Detroit to know how to fix things in their minds. Unfortunately, it too good, and too advanced for humans and a world without virtue..

Shady_Grady said...

Everyone has the right to defend themselves, even Christians.

Detroit is the most dangerous city in America.

Times are tough and crime will expand but that doesn't mean that anyone should give their live to some criminal. Most homicides in Detroit are not being solved. Rapes are up. Many people don't even bother to report break-ins anymore.

Smashed The Tiny Black Box said...

I agree with Detroit Sam @ 1:02. I'm familiar with a specific mega church in Motown and believe me, the church and it's pastor don't give a rat about it's people. I find the behavior of this church's leadership to be the rule in America, rather than the exception. These days you're basically paying 10%++++ of your income for Christian flavored motivational speaking. I also concur with Hennasplace @10:22. This pastor carries a gun because he chooses to do so. I'm willing to bet he is as self-serving as the majority of the clergy. That said, I don't begrudge him the right to defend himself or his family and friends. I support 2nd Amendment rights. There are way too many sociopaths and psychopaths in all levels of society to not have your own personal defense plan whether it includes firearms or not.

In these economic times, just save your money or if you are feeling charitable, donate to someone truly in need. I don't mean the leeches, dishonest, or chronically irresponsible. Please just read your Bible for yourself. It's written such that a fool can understand it.

Mrs. C said...

I am troubled by the notion--espoused here by what we generally assume to be full-grown, accountable adults--that there needs be an incentive (with the implication of material value) to inspire goodness of behavior and choice...Lord knows, that was true for me when I was a small child coming up, but maturity and fullness of being means recognizing those subtler rewards. I am good--as always as it is humanly possible for me to be--because there is peace for me and mine, in rippling circles outward from me when I am. If that is what we as a species are failing to "get," then I gotta say, it's about time we all just grow the eff UP already...

chicago dyke said...

as i always like to say when i lived in the South Side of Chicago: if churches make things "better," why is this community so fraught with poverty and crime? because there is a church or two on every block.

gotta agree with the previous poster. i love "christian flavored motivational speaking." heh.

hennasplace said...

Anon 12:05a

In Confucianism, it part of the ethical code within the philosphy of how to treat others, and in Buddhism, it is within the concepts of the eight noble truths. You also find the golden rule concept in all the major religions. It gives me the idea that it may something to the rule of how to treat others and not be a bad thing to do.

field negro said...

"as i always like to say when i lived in the South Side of Chicago: if churches make things "better," why is this community so fraught with poverty and crime? because there is a church or two on every block.
"

I co-sign chicago dyke.

j@12:15a.m., thanks for that link and the knowledge.

BigmacInPittsburgh said...

Maybe it's time we open our eyes and rethink how we are applying the golden rule in our own lives.Just some food for thought!

hennasplace said...

Anon 12:30a

That is not practical walking around strapped as he still has the mindset of a police officer and not a pastor of a church. Suppose he does get into a situation where does shot someone, people associated with that person can retaliate against the church members. Then it would not practical if church member get caught in the crossfire. My grandmother told me that is more than one way to skin a cat, and the question become what is the best way to do it. The problem of joblesness and poverty will still exist if he shoots a couple of people. Have we not learned that the cowboy mentality does work? Does Bush come to mind?

Shady_Grady said...

Henna, do you think people have the right to defend themselves or not?

Detroit is extremely dangerous. Just over the weekend a homeless man used a knife to threaten a customer at a restaurant owned by a candidate for city council. However the man being threatened had a legal gun and used it.

http://www.freep.com/article/20091101/NEWS01/91101032/?imw=Y

No one individual can solve all joblessness, poverty or the problem of people who have decided that they have the right to use violence to take from others.

But one individual can prevent himself or herself from becoming a victim.

alicia banks said...

shame fn:

we live in a world where we are safe nowhere...

we have lost at least 2generations who now rule all public spaces...

i was lewdly grinded by a 25ish bm thug with an erection while i held a door open to get gas this weekend...then when i gave him a look that could kill...he cursed me and kept threatening me as i pumped gas...

there was a time when even criminals had a modicum of honor and respect

but these new breed of super thugs bred by toxic turbo breeders respect no one and nothing

in the past weeks i have read about young thugs raping their own grandmother, teaching toddlers to fight like pit bulls on youtube, mugging old women etc...i have read of a new trend in prisons where old OG convicts are begging to be placed in solitary just to avoid the new breed of inmates...

robbing church members is tame by comparison

uptownsteve said...

BigMac

"Maybe it's time we open our eyes and rethink how we are applying the golden rule in our own lives"

What are in particular are you doing in the regard?

Or are you just yapping as usual?

Robert M said...

I don't know if you have ever seen this but we have known in America for a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IerEp2hXseE&feature=PlayList&p=0D49159FD388DEA0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=15

Coquinegra said...

Seriously---what kind of person robs a church? Anw what kind of preacher wears a gun *in the pulpit*? I mean, being armed while alone in the church working, as pastors often do, is one thing, but strapping one on in the pulpit? This not the calming worship experience of a Presbyterian service. This is BLACK Church. Somebody gets hallelujuah happy and gets a cap busted in 'em?

FO said...

People who carry guns are 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed. So this dude has just increased his chances of getting killed by carrying a gun, not the other way around.

Oh, sweet logic.

"Packing heat may backfire. People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot – and killed – than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found."

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html

alicia banks said...

ps:

i would be afraid to go anywhere in detroit without a gun in the mix...

i applaud this preacher for finding something proactive to do
while all of his defenseless peers are busy gaybshing...

DuchessDee said...

whatever happen to the church being a sanctuary. isnt there a safe place in america.

alicia banks said...

hp:

thanks

far too many pretend that the bible is god

most use their buybulls exclusively as primers for hatred
-it dictates whom they should do EVIL unto!

they forget that EVERY religion is a fabrication by human men

and that jesus never called anyone a "christian"

see more:

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interrupted-Revealing-Hidden-Contradictions/dp/0061173932/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257174610&sr=8-1

Nan said...

FO mentioned that carrying a gun increases the odds a person will die by a gun, which actually strikes me as being just common sense, but did you know that simply owning guns ups the odds that you'll get burglarized?

Makes a person wonder why we Americans seem so thoroughly convinced we need guns for "protection" when they seem to have the opposite effect on our health and well-being.

Anonymous said...

Nan,

That's for most people, not people living in Detroit. You're talking the second or first (depending on the year) most dangerous city in America.

JHF said...

OT, but I love this blog! Carry on, man.

alicia banks said...

ps:

i love the lioness troll!

lionesses are the most fierce lesbians in the animal kingdom...
they evade males until they breed

they do all of the hunting

they allow 2-3 male lions in each tribe...as exclusive breeders and guards of prides

she looks like she is about to slay some haters!!!

thanks!!!
you made my day fn

love,
ab

uptownsteve said...

"while all of his defenseless peers are busy gaybshing..."

How do you know Adams isn't a gaybasher?

A retired Detroit cop and a storefront preacher?

Are you kidding me?

But as long as he's cappin' nigga thugs he's alright with you huh AB?

alicia banks said...

us:

this man at least stopped thinking about bashing gays for a few seconds...at least long enough to ponder packing heat and strap up

that puts him ahead of millions of buybull toting morons and their mindless sheeple who hate on gays 24 hrs per day...even as they sleep and dream of hating homos

now
tell me

when did you suddenly start caring about thugs who rob churches in ghettos?

any thugs who would harm his flock in their own space deserve to be shot...i stand by that!!!

when some armed thug enters your gated community/home/CHURCH home, you have the right to put a cap in them too

i hope you and this preacher do not miss!

Anonymous said...

Religion has got to be the greatest racket of all time. Preachers and pimps have a lot in common. If you want to find the slimiest, most corrupt people outside of politics look at the heads of churches.

alicia banks said...

us:

here is more on that pistol packing pastor's gaybashing peers and the sheeple who may betray even their new god obama...just for being a nominal frenemy to gays

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/11/02/CNN_Talks_African_Americans_and_Gays/

alicia banks said...

anon:

amen

i would take my chances on finding an angelic/noble person in a crackhouse before any CHURCH!

the odds are MUCH better!

alicia banks said...

us:

how do YOU know he IS a gaybasher?

how do YOU know that he does not have a vet gay cop partner/friend/son/nephew/brother/dad????

we homos are everywhere
dl & out
and in every family
and every church
even yours!

alicia banks said...

us:

your rabid elitism is showing again

"storefront"?
so the smaller churches filled with "peasants" are more apt to be filled with sinful homohaters?

you are a hopeless snob!!!!!!!!

fyi
people are never as predictable as bigots like you pretend

the size of a church has NOTHING to do with the scope of ignorance, hatred, and biblical illiteracy within it!

some of the people i initially expect to be haters, turn out to be cool pro-gay friends

and some of the visibly coolest people, can be the most rabid homohaters

wake up!

uptownsteve said...

"when did you suddenly start caring about thugs who rob churches in ghettos?"

I care deeply about anyone who is victimized by violent criminals.

I just don't yap incessantly about crime while DOING nothing nor do I assign crime a color.

Like you.

alicia banks said...

us:

fancy temples or no,

see a typical homohating black hypochristian here:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyzv_5lCC18 -

alicia banks said...

us

you are such a classic elitist racist phony

this preacher is making sure he and his flock are NOT victims of
ghetto crime that you so suddenly pretend to care about

i spend MUCH time in 2 states counseling and tutoring children to aspire to be more than ybm thugs...i have done so since 2001
...and you???

what are the odds that WHITE teens will rob this church???

your elitist pseudo-intellectual masturbation herein repulses me

alicia banks said...

OT:

someone too offense a while back because i stated that obama was bony

they thought i was bashing him as underfed
i was not
i know tons of skinny gluttons

i was factually stating that he is indeed emaciated for his ht/age
see new pix here:

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashbb.htm

uptownsteve said...

"I spend MUCH time in 2 states counseling and tutoring children to aspire to be more than ybm thugs...i have done so since 2001
...and you???"

I've raised two upstanding high performing young black males who will succeed and achieve despite the negative branding of people like you.

"what are the odds that WHITE teens will rob this church???"

I fail to see what race has to do with this when the victims are black as well.

What's the chance of a black vandalizing and robbing a synagogue in Potomac?

Criminals always prey on those closest to them.

Only racists and sellouts seek to make skin color the causative factor in crime.

alicia banks said...

us:

sane people always assign black faces to balck thugs who prey on black neighbors/churches in black hoods

fyi

only a racist like you would make this a black issue as you ignore the black skins of the church folks while you NEWFOUND feign concern for theh ybm thugs who may harm them...

spare me your fake bs

blackwomenblowthetrumpet.blogspot.com said...

Hi there,

There are many ministers who have paid security guards but I didn't realize that there are preachers who are carrying guns into the pulpit for protection.

I think that before they resort to those measures that they need to truly look at other methods of security.

The church setting is NOT entirely safe in many cities and people in the pews have shown up in church shooting. So I can't say that it will never happen.

As a minister, I don't think that I shouldn't ever buy a gun but I would not carry one into the church. I do think that a security team is necessary though.

Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!
Lisa

alicia banks said...

us:

your 2 sons do not attend that church or prey on those who do!!!
&
YOUR 2 SONS ARE IRRELEVANT TO MOST DISCUSSIONS HEREIN!!!

until fn posts on:

"neocon spawn of a rich black fool cowering behind a gilded gate"...

this church is NOT in potomac!
so????

pathetic how you always change the subject to justify your own racism as if that has anything to do with the topics fn posts???

white crime stats have NOTHING to do with this pastor!!!

neither do your sons!!!

i am a realist

YOU are the racist and sellout

YOU pretend that white crimes erase black ones

and you have sold your thin soul for your thinner portfolio

shame!!!

uptownsteve said...

What is the difference between a "white" crime and a "black" one AB?

MacDaddy said...

Ups to you field:

I agree with Grady: Detroit is dangerous. When I go there, I take my piece. Nobody is still my SUV, shooting me in the head to get it. In the streets, I go first. If a person raises his hand and I see what looks like a gun or a knife, I'm blasting.

alicia banks said...

us:

there is no dif

only YOU pretend that there is one so that you can remain comfortable while pretending that ghetto residents do NOT live in the BLACK WAR ZONES that you choose to ignore

that HELPS you to color your own black denial money green

Yankees Rule said...

Big Mac & Ab,
This uptownsteve character is a childish narcissist with little power in his "real life circumstances" so he lashes out with his anonymous taunting to gain a perverted sense of authority and self worth which is grossly lacking in an otherwise empty life off line.
Ignoring his foolishness and race baiting will extinguish his fantasy of import and force his regression back into the nasty little hole of ignorance he calls home. It's best he dwell there alone.

Anonymous said...

Anon-"If you want to find the slimiest, most corrupt people outside of politics look at the heads of churches."

You forgot about lawyers in the criminal justice system.

Anonymous said...

Compassion is the foundation of Buddhism. It is defined as a wish for others to have happiness and causes of happiness, and a wish for others to have less suffering and the causes of suffering. Suffering is a very common state of being, caused by the existence of selfish desires. Living a good life puts these desires into their proper perspective, reducing suffering, and increasing happiness.
Permitting a robber to escape with his haul might not be a compassionate activity, but neither would shooting him in the belly. The middle way would probably include encouraging the robber to change his ways, and reporting him to the police if that didn't work.
Put the needs of others before the needs of self.
This could include ensuring that the robber was stopped before he robbed again, even if this meant endangering onself. One could certainly argue about the best methods to accomplish this.
Compassion could mean acknowledging and forgiving the theft, and making a gift of the loot. That might cause a major shift in attitude of the burglar, which would have a great impact on the suffering of the robber, and all his potential future victims.
Or, compassion could dictate that the pastor put the needs of the community before the needs of the burglar, and take him out before he harms more people.
A simple question without a simple answer. Such is life.

Anonymous said...

"This uptownsteve character is a childish narcissist with little power in his "real life circumstances" so he lashes out with his anonymous taunting to gain a perverted sense of authority and self worth which is grossly lacking in an otherwise empty life off line.
Ignoring his foolishness and race baiting will extinguish his fantasy of import and force his regression back into the nasty little hole of ignorance he calls home. It's best he dwell there alone."

Yankee Rule, you nailed it. We all must start ignoring this lonely ignorant isolated clown UTS.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...

I just don't yap incessantly about crime while DOING nothing nor do I assign crime a color.


Do you have altimzers? Or you just full of crap?

I lean towards you being full of crap.

Anonymous said...

"Compassion is the foundation of Buddhism."

The Buddha emphasized Wisdom and Compassion as the way to end ignorance and suffering.

Wisdom says, "Have Compassion, but don't be a fool."

Without Wisdom, compassion is just an emotion built on pity, which harms more than it helps.

Anonymous said...

Never trust the three P's: Pimps, preachers, and politicians.
The Pope rides around in a bullet-proof "Pope-mobile" 'cause JC and his sidekick, the 'Holy Ghost' often take extended vacations.
BTW...looks like Michigan is one state that has it right: Stringent background checks + 8 hours of gun training = permission to carry concealed protection. Gun ownership, period, should require mandatory firearms training anyway.
The genesis of this A-merry-kkk-a; the very birth of this nation continues to drip with (existential?)blood and the worship of violence.

maria said...

anon, great posts on buddhism, which, btw, predates christianity and judaism, etc...they all build on buddhism.

Anonymous said...

@12:49,
Consider the sage advise of "Yankee Rule" with respect to piss ant UTS.
Sincerely,
@12;45

uptownsteve said...

In case you didn't know it.

Yankees Rule IS Anonymous and the poor fool is just talking to himself.

LMAO!!!

"only YOU pretend that there is one so that you can remain comfortable while pretending that ghetto residents do NOT live in the BLACK WAR ZONES that you choose to ignore"

Why can't it just be a "war zone" AB?

I live in an all black neighborhood where we don't have street violence.

I really don't see what's so difficult about this for you.

Anonymous said...

UTs "Yankees Rule IS Anonymous and the poor fool is just talking to himself."

No, he is talking about you, you poor sap.

Anonymous said...

uts, "I live in an all black neighborhood where we don't have street violence."

I happen to know you and you don't live in a nice neighborhood. You have been lying to cover up your inadequacies and self-hatred of living in a poor neighborhood.

Stop your pretending and face reality.

grinder said...

The rev should consider a taser instead.

rikyrah said...

the Lord helps those that help themselves...and the Pastor is helping himself by exercising those 2nd amendment rights, FN. not mad at him.

alicia banks said...

us:

ONLY YOU see an accurate description of ONE BLACK hood as a slur against YOUR black gated enclave

and therein lies the problem

i call them as i see them
and i never blanket what i call

ie
i love many real christians
who do not hate gays
like unitarian MCCs and episcoplians etc


YOU assume that every VALID black ill is either nonexistent or a deliberate racist jab at you...
that is insane and a symptom of your own elitist eurocentrism and racism/ruthless denial

___

anon:

ditto

it is so hard to ignore uts as
he reps all black neocons so well...and i hate them all so

re: bhuddism

it is my fav of all man made religions as the most fair and least sexist

but i am no bhuddist

so i will reserve my compassion EXCLUSIVELY for the pastor and his flock...not the thugs who would invade their church and rob/rape/kill etc

until we all stop being unarmed sheep among wolves...the armed wolves will win

alicia banks said...

uts:

how will the non-violence on your sole street help those blacks who dodge bullets like flies daily in detroit where this church is?????????

menti said...

"YOU assume that every VALID black ill is either nonexistent or a deliberate racist jab at you..."

What is a "black" ill AB?

That which affects only black people?

BTW AB, I am hardly a black neocon.

I am a proud black man who will not allow myself, my sons or my community to be smeared with the "dysfuntion" label because of the actions and or hatred of others.

It really is no more complicated than that.

alicia banks said...

anon:

the quaker religion is also a fav as they helped slaves escape on the underground railroad

and they still welcome all including gays

i have many christian fans who know i am not attacking them when i slay rabid clones of sheblindsheblind and that evil illiterate bumbling buybull bufoon wench in that video i pasted above....

uptownsteve said...

AB

"how will the non-violence on your sole street help those blacks who dodge bullets like flies daily in detroit where this church is?????????"

What is your yapping on blogs doing about it?

Not a goddamn thing.

alicia banks said...

menti/us

a black ill is one exclusive to or disproportionate to black people

ie
the perils of colorism/EXTREME turbo breeding and absentee fatherhood

sagging pants (rather than goth)

crack (rather than crytsal meth)

flunking out as cool (rather than just sheer laziness)

psycho gangsta rap (rather than punk rock/demonic ska)

etc!

alicia banks said...

uts:

i do more than yap you dog

what do you do?

and it is duly noted that you did not answer my query about your utopian crumb you creep!

alicia banks said...

uts:

one gd fact:

i have walked the gd walk for decades as a soldier and an educator

while you have made sure your lawn was green...too bad that will not help one lawn-less child in the ghetto whom tupac called "roses that grow in concrete"

you are a toxic racist snobbish eurocentric elitist black joke!

alicia banks said...

uts:

my yapping at real ills

trumps your growling at imaginary nothingness anyday!

hennasplace said...

Shady-Grady:

I understand how dangerous Detroit and I am not saying that you should not protect yourself. However, we need to ask ourselves how long do we keep spinning our wheels? It will take more than one person to solve this problem. But knowing human nature the way I do, we can also follow the Pastor's plan and carry gun and we can all shoot and kill each other and get it over with. Why should we care if the Pastor shot and killed another person who probably will not contribute to society anyway? And we probably did the person a favor by ending his or her misery, and we certainly do not have to look at the person again.

alicia banks said...

hp:

i do not equate self defense with spinning wheels

though meeting armed thugs while unarmed in any spot usually leads to wheels that never spin again...

Shady_Grady said...

Henna, I appreciate what you are saying but unfortunately there are a lot of very dangerous(and stupid) people running around.

The pastor is not going to face criminal charges but the thief, Tyrone Badey ,will.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/21140603/detail.html

Perhaps while recuperating from the gunshot wound Mr. Badey can realize that breaking and entering isn't the way to live his life. I certainly hope so. Breaking into someone's home or church is a good way to get shot.

Yankees Rule said...

AB,
You are inadvertently serving as UTS' life blood on this blog. He is a nonsensical histrionic POS who, I agree, is difficult to ignore. Nevertheless, once we are united in refusing to respond to the hate spewed antagonist persona he represents, his online life will fade into the obscurity that defines his real time life.

uptownsteve said...

Anonymous/Yankees Rule

A good way to ignore me is to stop obsessing with me on FN's blog.

Ya think?

LMAO!!!!!

alicia banks said...

anon:

i promise to try harder to ignore uts rabid elitism and deliberate tangential racist madness...

peace,
ab

uptownsteve said...

ab

You're kidding right?

If you didn't have FN's blog to rant on, you'd might have a life.

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yankees Rule said...

AB,
It's working. UTS is foaming at the bit pleading for you to respond. He is projecting. We all know you have many places to go and people to see. UTS has no where to go but here. Stand strong brown sugar. UTS is not worth your time.

alicia banks said...

yr:

thanks!

you are a great influence on me...smile

peace

Tonia said...

UTS

I do want to thank you. I have two boys who are attending college. They are men who treat women right, don't sag their britches, have high grade point averages, despise thug rap, and are not racist or blame "whitey" for everything.

I thank you for standing up and being another good example. You are doing so much more than those rambling on FN's blog. You don't belong here. You are part of the solution, not the problem. This place festers negativity.

Peace be with you all
Tonia

Yankees Rule said...

Ab,
Stand strong sister. Think how much hate will be purged from this blog if we rid it of UTS. Do not waiver my princess of righteousness.

Anonymous said...

The only good gay is a dead gay. Look at all the black women getting AIDS. Downlow men fucking other men and drinking other man cum. Sick. They will burn in Hell and they are infecting millions. Sick.

Roderick said...

I co-sign with UTS.

None of you people who are berating him for have any solutions except sitting behind a keyboard typing the same bs that has been spoken millions of times over the past forty or fifty years.

Unless you can eradicate the drug trade and provide low skilled jobs that provide a living wage with health care to inner city dwellers you are just blowing smoke up your own azz.

Myosili said...

YR, you kiss ass mother fucker...you are cracking my ass up.

alicia banks said...

tonia

what elitists call "negativity"

we warriors call "variances in reality"

you and uts live in one utopic fantasy world

i live in the throes of many worlds...all varied and all very real

i do not dismiss real negative lives as u do..

fyi

Tonia said...

Roderick

I stand with you too. Sitting behind a keyboard, complaining, hating, etc. does nothing for the thousands of little black children (thugs as some of you refer to them as) who need love and compassion as well as their families.

Tonia said...

tonia

what elitists call "negativity"

we warriors call "variances in reality"

Can you please explain to me the difference.
Thank you,
Tonia

yankees Rule said...

AB,
What about those Yankees? WS # 27 tomorrow night.
What do you think about Pelosi's new Health Care bill? Does she really think we are all that stupid?

Tonia said...

What are you warrior-ing for on this blog and how does it affect those in need.

Thank you,
Tonia

alicia banks said...

r:

i have dedicated my life to mentoring and educating poor children

my wife has dedicated her life to counseling the most discarded and lost among them

us has saved 2 sons

we have saved countless boys and girls

who is making a greater dif???
&
what do us and his wife do?????

alicia banks said...

jusy like you and us are doing
i am blogging with you 2

i blog all over the internet

and i live online with 4 jobs

what are u and uts doing to help any child that is not your own/class peer???????

myo said...

YR, nope just you that stupid

alicia banks said...

tonia

only a fool would claim that being honest about ghetto crimes and defense = "negativity"

only a hypocrite would attack a fellow blogger as they blogged simultaneously


you will save no child by pretending that their lives are to negative to discuss honestly
or
by flaunting your aversion to tainting your own perfect children with the germs of those who may be less fortunate to live more "negative lives"

alicia banks said...

ys:

pelosi and obama and all of their current cabinet are playing us all for fools

what is sad is how many of us are falling for it

and as long as elitists could not care less about the poor

the poor will continue to be bilked....

Anonymous said...

Anon4:16p- "The only good gay is a dead gay. Look at all the black women getting AIDS. Downlow men fucking other men and drinking other man cum. Sick. They will burn in Hell and they are infecting millions. Sick."

You must be God himself talking or Satan pretending to be God. One thing for sure, you are sick mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. That means the people in your head that you think are going to butn in hell will certainly meet you there!

"Judge not for ye will be judged."

Tonia said...

Oh gosh, just like you I spend many hours helping others. Do I live in the ghetto. No. I used to, for many years. But I went to college and so forth. As you probably did. I direct a homeless shelter specifically for women and children. It's a safe haven for those abused and down and out. It's my small bit to do what I can. I also pass out condoms on the street. Well, it's not exactly like that. I have been doing this for a long time and know where I need to go to pass them out. Been known to give out clean needles if necessary, though some would call that wrong. It's been a topic of debate and anger from others. But I keep doing it. I do not work online, but my position in academe allows me much freedom.

Peace to you all,
Tonia

alicia banks said...

ditto anon

assnon cannot save one het child
beacause he is way too busy hating on sterile adult gays to care

spunds way to rabid too..must be DL...ALL rabid gaybashers are gay

http://www.outragethemovie.com/

uptownsteve said...

Roderick,

"I co-sign with UTS.

None of you people who are berating him for have any solutions except sitting behind a keyboard typing the same bs that has been spoken millions of times over the past forty or fifty years."

Believe me, none of these bootlickin Toms would set foot in the 'hood if their pathetic lives depended on it.

I grew up in the hood. 167th and Anderson in the West Bronx to be exact and people like AB wouldn't have been able to come outside because they would have gotten all their possessions taken from them on sight.

I am proudly middle class and suburban today. I'm glad that my sons don't have to deal with what I did growing up.

I don't apologize for anything.

AB and some of these other coonservatives are great at whining about the existence of problems in the urban ghetto as well as assigning the problems a color.

But as far as actually doing something about the problem that seems to consume them 24/7?????

You'll find it's ALL MOUTH.

As you stated, nothing we haven't heard a million times before over the last 50 years.

alicia banks said...

tonia

so what is your pt tag teaming a worthless elitist like uts who does none of those things?

just an opp to bash me?

it was wasted
and now you just look schizo

uptownsteve said...

Damn Tonia,

I just saw your post above.

That was very nice.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

"Judge not for ye will be judged."

Hey just saying what the good book says. Not my judgement.

Gay men swallowing gay cum, sick shit bro. Fucking up the ass. Sick shit bro. Burn they shall. Hey, don't act like you agree with it, we blacks don't like that shit.

i will shoot them myself.

Tonia said...

tonia

so what is your pt tag teaming a worthless elitist like uts who does none of those things?

just an opp to bash me?

it was wasted
and now you just look schizo

I will be honest, I don't know what you are talking about tag teaming. I did not say anything negative about you. Nor would I. That is not my style. I am a little confused.

I do appreciate UTS comments.

Peace to you all.
Tonia

Tonia said...

No problem UTS.

I just found this site today actually. I spend such little time online, unless I am downloading research articles or something. Other than that, I don't get out much :)

My methods may not be welcome here. I play nice.

Tonia

alicia banks said...

assnon:

you have explict sexual fantasies
that ooze homoeroticism

just like all dl men who really need to get laid by another man

you gaybashers are so lewdly obsessed with gay sex as you ignore gay love

and here is a tip:

if gay sex allegedly disgusts you so
don't do it
don't lust after it
& stay out of gay men's bedrooms
even in your dl dreams!

be bad 4 real when
run up on any gays today
we are a new breed
ready for you to jump and die
we sharp shoot back to kill!

hennasplace said...

Alicia:

It is really about the larger picture than the thug. I mean there are some mean-spirited and evil people in the world that you need to be kept away from society at large. I am talking about what the Paster mentioned in his homily about people who are desperate and who are without alternatives. Unemployment rates are getting higher and there is rise people going hungry in the United States. We can find hungry people among the enlisted me in the service and half of them are eligible for food stampes. There is a book called "Growing Up Empty: The Hunger Epidemic in America" by Loretta Schwartz-noble that writes about the problem. "The Working Poor: Invisible in America" written by David K. Shipler and Detroit is a perfect of example of what is going on the country now. Then there is the book "Class Matters" from a series of New York Times articles from 2005. Then there is one of my favorite writings from Barbara Ehrenreich "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America."

I remember when Chris Rock talked about how he loved black people, but hated niggers. I knew from that moment what he was talking about and something that is really not discussed among black people and that is class. Classism is a problem we have within the black community and we do like to talk about it. I had a discussion with my cousin who believed that is a person's fault who remains in poverty, in fact it is their fault that they are poor. We do not even bother to take a look at some generational factors of poverty, but details details. Poor people are not very well like because they are reminder of something we do not want to be. This is generally speaking, we find poor people pernicious and ask why cannot improve their condition and lot in life. However, it doesn't occur to use that a poor person living in Marks, Mississippi is anyway from 50 to 100 miles of work, medical facility, and a decent educational choices. But somehow we have this bright-sidedness of optimism that everyone can do be like Oprah which is not true because let's face, she got lucky in being at the right place at the right time. So we have to find some realistic ways to pull these people out of poverty.

Anonymous said...

Field, what's with the sidebar telling Negroes to go vote in NJ and VA? You know Blacks don't vote in those states unless the O man is up for election.

Now that Obama has been elected, things go back to normal. Blacks have better things to do, like robbing and shooting each other.

Onward! Black Christian soldiers.

alicia banks said...

tonia

read your previous posts
ie
how dare u assume what i do in the hood on your first day herein????

Anonymous said...

Exactly case in point. Way too many fuckers on the DL, who would blow a dick and swallow some jizz for a joint. I'll shoot someting down their throat. It's called a gun. Damn lesbians too. Fucking fish eaters. It's only hot if the women are skinny and hot. No one wnats to see you and shamu....gag.

alicia banks said...

hp:

ditto

but "nigger" = a mentality to me
not a class

ie
ruthless
selfish
apathetic
amoral

there are many rich niggers like us and clarence thomas who never even visit poor ghettos

i cherish many poor people and despise many rich...for who they are and will be inside...irrespective of their material poverty they are rich in spirit...unlike the rich people i know who are so very poor as they are devoid of hearts and souls

Tonia said...

alicia,
I did look through those posts. I would never judge what you are doing in the hood. LIke you, I get tired of all the lip service. If, when I spoke of UTS I inadvertently offended you I am sorry.
I do not mind a good debate, but this one kind of caught me off guard. i respect all until I see differently. It takes all of us working together to make a difference.

alicia banks said...

assnon:

it is very clear from your post that you cannot get any gay man or het woman of any size or sexuality to do you....

your own sexual starvation is tangible

men like you make lesbians multiply and gay men consider trying bisexuality

Tonia said...

Dear Anon,
You are being quite vile and it's counterproductive.

Tonia

Do folks like this come on here a lot?
I hope not.

alicia banks said...

ok tonia cool

i did just read them again
and they still sounded like attacks to me

but
much gets lost in translation herein...

Anonymous said...

I would rather fuck a dog than fuck a man!! My black church, and all black people that I know of HATE FAGS. And don't pretend that it's not a "black ill"

Tonia said...

Well, first and foremost I am a feminist ;) We gotta stick together.

Off to walk the dog. I hope everyone has a nice night and that anon person learns to love.

Tonia

uptownsteve said...

hennasplace

"I remember when Chris Rock talked about how he loved black people, but hated niggers. I knew from that moment what he was talking about and something that is really not discussed among black people and that is class. Classism is a problem we have within the black community and we do like to talk about it."

EXACTLY.

I just will not accept that violence and dysfunction are "black" problems.

The black middle class has the same values and behavior as their peers of any color.

What is different for blacks is that we are the only group of people who are defined and stigmatized by the worst of us.

And when this nonsense is perpetuated by some of OUR OWN PEOPLE, it makes it doubly hard to deal with.

alicia banks said...

yes tonia

tons of buybull toting homohaters, illiterate lewd, ], lesbian porno obsessed, chronic masturbating,fat slobby reject haters lurk here

most are cowards who post as "anon"

and ALL of them hate my wife and i because we are gorgeous lesbians
who are educated and not anorexic like lindsay lohan...

they are too sexist and stupid to realize that calling women fat only wks on bimbo hets

Anonymous said...

Tonia, "Do folks like this come on here a lot?"

Everyday. But they are Whites who crawled out of a sewer.

alicia banks said...

ditto hp

elitists missed the whole point

chris was not bashing poor black people

he was stating that poor people suffer the most from what niggers do...LOTS of blacks live in the ghetto and they are the primary prey of niggers

now
elitists like uts missed the whole pt

they/uts thought chris was giving them permission to dimiss the entire ghetto and co-signing on their snobbishness/detachment/self-hatreds

when he was only trying to tell them that NOT being a nigger is NOT about cash and addresses
it is about character!

see?

alicia banks said...

hey assnon:

who cares?

who are you curiously trying to convince to do you most?

the repulsed dogs or the uninterested gay men?

Anonymous said...

I just read FN is Jamaican...oh boy, there goes the neighborhood.

Anonymous said...

AB, "when he was only trying to tell them that NOT being a nigger is NOT about cash and addresses
it is about character!"

ditto, ab. It is about character which each one of us has to earn through self-examination and self-awareness. Many folks won't change because they lack awareness. UTS is one of them. he will remain the obnoxious person of low character-similar to Rush...totally bull-headed and closed minded, can't tell him a damn thing.

alicia banks said...

anon:

ditto

ie
here is colin powell with more on those black ills uts denies

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/11/02/black.men.colin.powell/index.html

Anonymous said...

Who cares? That's the fucking problem Mr. Dyke. No one wants to talk about dudes fucking dudes on the DL! It's a huge "ill" that no one wants to tackle. But them fuckers keep giving everyone AIDS.

Jade said...

Now, this circus act just needs Granny and it will be nearly complete. Granny, come out come out wherever you are. We need your rambling.

alicia banks said...

assnon:

millions of people who died of aids did not get it from gay men

only in your sick twisted mind
is aids a gay disease

gay men used condoms while idiots like you just kept having raw sex with hets who infected them...

they originally stopped dying
while hets did not

now there is a new breed... distanced from the raging deaths by meds...they are all dying again
(hets and gays) from raw unsafe sex...the death tolls are soaring again due to the same bs you spew

your rabid ignorance and blind hatred will never a single condom make

holde said...

Anon:

There are some things I have learned by being a black man. So even if you are serious, not gonna happen. I doubt FN will blog about it. Although many argue it's one of the greatest issues our community faces.

1. Black men are creeped out by gay sex
2. Black men will not talk about gay sex.
3. Black men are afraid people will think they are gay
4. Black men have a warped notion of masculinity

Anonymous said...

YOu are right gay men on the downlow aren't "gay" so they don't need condoms and are not using them giving AIDS to unsuspecting black women...fucking faggots need to keep their dicks where they belong, in a puss hole!

Anonymous said...

True Dat Holde,
My homey and I party and play from time to time, but I am not gay. Everyone does it in my hood bro.

alicia banks said...

holde:

ditto

thanks!

and this rabid assnon is the perfect example of an allegedly het man explicitly obsessed with gay sex

pretending that most black het women do not do HET men who are filled with fatal germs from fellow HET whores

ie

anal sex is not a gay thing

many gay men engage oral sex exclusively

there is an antire genre of HET porn devoted to anal sex

and

female genital mutiliation MANDATES anal het sex in many parts of africa like uganda that are now nations of oprhans due to aids

aids is not a plague from god

it is amerikkkan bio war from ft. detrick md.

assnon sounds like a boring DL shafter...equally boring to ALL men and women in bed

alicia banks said...

assnon:

i bet your homey is really your "hand"!

and even it always cramps up and falls asleep on you from boredom!

holde said...

Thanks AB,

It's a touchy topic for a lot of guys. Not sure why. But it is. Sadly. My son is gay and I don't think of sex, I see love and that is what matters.

I feel bad for our young black boys growing up gay and the males in their lives will not and cannot or refuse to talk about sexuality. This suppression then becomes the DL and the cycle continues.

It breaks my heart what my son wen through.

alicia banks said...

holde:

your son is blessed to have you as a dad...het or gay

real men like you have no issue with gays/admit their insecurities without bashing all
gay men...

single
real men welcome gay men as less competition for the player within...smile

____

here is yet another black ill for those in denial

http://newsone.com/nation/studys-says-90-of-black-children-will-be-on-food-stamps/

alicia banks said...

more on the black ills that obama blatantly evades

http://newsone.com/nation/opinion-what-can-president-obama-do-for-black-men/

La♥Incognita said...

Smiling at Steve at 10:51 AM

Tonia, I appreciate reading all your post. I thank you for sharing the positives. Btw, I could understand your confusion. Many of us on this blog sympathize. Perhaps you can find some time to back scan many thread comments on this blog. You may get a better understanding on the mania you are wasting your time on.

For the record, the preacher carrying a gun doesn't surprise me. I have mix feelings on it, I reserve my comments.

Anonymous said...

Holde--"4. Black men have a warped notion of masculinity"

It is true. Black men are victims of the John Wayne syndrone, which they learned at an early age:

1.never apologize or admit when they are wrong(Field, are you reading?)
2.never surrender, never give up
3.never ask a stupid question
4.men shake hands, they don't hug
5.never let them see your weaknesses
6.hold yourself up by your bootstraps
7.raising a kid is the job of a woman
8.control your woman

All of the above are the direct opposite of what it means to be a man:

1)big boys do cry, 2)a man apologizes when he is wrong, 3)real men say they don't know when they don't know w/o feeling stupid(they don't call someone else stupid for asking a question), 4)a man isn't afraid to ask for help, 5)a man respects a woman as his equal, 6)men are partners with wives in raising their children emotionally, mentally, physically and spiritually-they do not neglect, abuse or abandon their children.

Unfortunately, black men are a long way from manhood, and it has very little to do with educational level or intellect. This does not bode well for generations of sons to come.

Thanks for your comment, Holde. You give me hope that maybe there might be other black men with heart and awareness.

Sharon from WI said...

an eye for an eye makes a logical sense and is easy to view as just but the command for Christians and for some other religions is to grant mercy even when you'd be justified to retaliate.<<<

An eye for an eye is not about retaliation, but having the punishment fit the crime, e.g., not meting a death sentance against someone who stole a loaf of bread. In Jewish Scripture, this edict applies exactly to justice, not retaliation or vengeance.

Holde said...

Thanks for your comment, Holde. You give me hope that maybe there might be other black men with heart and awareness

Enjoyed your comments Anon. I feel ya bro. I think we are in the minority. Maybe we should start a club or something ;)

Holde said...

AB:
Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate it.

kathy said...

i think it's good to do what you can to help kids, ect, or help feed people who are hungry, but i really think it's time for some sort of organized movement with a think tank to solve the problems of drugs, killings, lack of access to quality education and health care.

there doesn't seem to be a real movement right now to address this. i think it would be a good idea to try and attack the problem from both ends, for young children, a future, for older children and young adults, some kind of different approach, i dk what.

i don't think constantly blaming the President for these problems is the answer, but I do remember reading his book and i think he said it would probably take a decade of concentrated efforts to make any kind of change.

Justice58 said...

Field,

AJ Burnett just serving it up to Chase Utley........

Phillies has to win this one, darnit!

Tired of the Yankees! :)

LACoincidental said...

Back on the topic at hand -- it says something when Black preachers feel they need to pack heat to protect Black women from their own Black sons. Wow, we have a long way to go. Now, the question I have is how often does these ministers engage young Black men before they said "Screw it, I'm getting a .44"? If they're anything like typical Black ministers -- not much. As someone pointed out, they claim to follow a simple carpenter who hung out with dock workers, lepers and prostitutes. But some how, too many drive Bentley while crackheads reign supreme. Its a wonder I still go to church.

And as an aside, I agree with kathy. Blaming Obama for all our problems isn't doing anything. Hell, the first thing the man said when he was elected last years was that he can't do everything. He's just one man -- he's not Jesus.

Sitting on our collective behinds and awaiting Mighty Whitey, the 'next MLK' or the Rapture while Rome burns is what got Black folks into the spot we're in right now.

Anonymous said...

"Phillies has to win this one, darnit!

Tired of the Yankees! :)"

As I have said several times before, All Philly sports teams have their fans trained to be disappointed. They always choke and never win the big prize.

But the Yankees do! Go Yankees! Bring it on home AGAIN.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, this series wasn't even a contest for the mighty Yankees. The Phillies should have forfeited and saved a lot of aggravation.

Jody, I am very sorry. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings but you had to know those Phillies were no match for the awesome splendid Yankees.

Anonymous said...

Sharon from WI said, "An eye for an eye is not about retaliation, but having the punishment fit the crime, e.g., not meting a death sentance against someone who stole a loaf of bread. In Jewish Scripture, this edict applies exactly to justice, not retaliation or vengeance."

Thanks for commenting on this. I totally agree. It's pretty scary when black Christians come up with warped interpretations of the Bible.

Justice58 said...

Anon 8:56pm,

What's the score?

.....Yeah, that's what I'm talking 'bout! It AIN'T over! :)

krystalxlyte said...

you live by the sword you die by the sword...this man oughtta think twice about what he's preaching.

Anonymous said...

My dear Justice 58, stop torturing yourself. This series belong to the Yankees--as usual.

It's over! The fat lady won't be singing on this one. I am so sorry, I keep hurting Philly fans but it is not intentional.

Justice, can I send you a 2009 World Series Champions Yankee t-shirt?

Anonymous said...

AB, "we live in a world where we are safe nowhere..."

You and UTS must live in different worlds. UTS is 'perfectly' safe in his gated community.

Justice58 said...

Justice, can I send you a 2009 World Series Champions Yankee t-shirt?


Geez, anon 9:41

I'm going to feel so sorry for you when it's a repeat of the 2004 ALCS against the Boston Red Sox!

I'm catching the vapors already! :)

Justice58 said...

Chase Utley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did it .....................again!

Woo Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Justice58 "I'm going to feel so sorry for you when it's a repeat of the 2004 ALCS against the Boston Red Sox!"

Let's not get crazy. You must be drinking that Texas tea again.

Justice58 said...

Hold up, Hold up...

What's that score? Put your glasses on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phillies were rocking and rolling, baby!

M. Rigmaiden said...

I have to say that I am surprised at all the anti Christian rhetoric on this thread. The Black church was the cornerstone of our culture and has saved our people from implosion! Sure there are charlatans but they are in every profession, across every walk of life. When religion is good though, it can serve to uplift and motivate.

AB, I am saddened that your religious experience was so heavily anti gay. In my church, I never once heard anyone gay bash. Hell my old church has housing for seniors and AIDS patients. You ought to find a church like that.

I believe that the preacher is wrong to carry a gun in the pulpit. HOWEVER, if he is on the church grounds by himself, he ought to carry a gun OR have his crew of deacons carry guns to protect the church grounds and themselves.

In the early eighties after crack ravished my old neighborhood in East Oakland, some thugs went onto the premises of my Grandpa's church and robbed him at gunpoint. One of his deacons chased the man down, waved a gun in his face and acquired what was stolen. The deacon did not kill the robber, and if I recall correctly, my Grandfather prayed for the guy who robbed him.

If you are in a dangerous land,you must walk with the understanding that you are always in danger. It is not wrong for people to carry guns or other weapons if they will provide them with protection. I've been victimized by violent crime on two separate occasions in my life. I can honestly say that if I had a gun in those circumstances, I may not have been victimized in the same way.

People ought to use common sense when they handle guns though. Canadians have wayyyyyy more guns on average than Americans but their crime rates are a lot lower than ours. Why is that? I think it's because they are nicer, have stronger communities and are a smaller nation; they are still small enough that neighbors say hi to one another....

Anonymous said...

Justice58 "Hold up, Hold up...

What's that score? Put your glasses on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Phillies were rocking and rolling, baby!"

I am getting tired of you and those damn Phillies.

Justice58 said...

I am getting tired of you and those damn fucking Yankees.


Fixed it for you!

Anonymous said...

"I am getting tired of you and those damn fucking Yankees."

Well, you don't have to be so snooty about it. btw, the Yankees are a sacred team. God will get you for cursing them. Those sorry Phillies are still going to lose. they got lucky because the Yankees let them win one.

field negro said...

"God will get you for cursing them. Those sorry Phillies are still going to lose. they got lucky because the Yankees let them win one."

So "God" is a damn Yankeees fan now? No wonder they have all those World Series wins. And here I thought it was all that $ they had to buy players. :)

Constructive Feedback said...

Filled Negro you are clearly IGNORANT of your Black History.

I point you to the venerable AME Bishop Henry McNeal Turner. The official "Preacher With Some Firepower"

http://functionalculture.blogspot.com/2007/12/henry-mcneal-turner-my-favority-ame.html

You see Filled Negro - there was a time in this nation when Black folks didn't have iron bars on our windows to protect us from Skibop and RayRay who was attempting to steal our flat screen televions while we were at work.

Instead it was the KLAN who raised our houses.

Conscious brother Turner saw that an UNARMED BLACK COMMUNITY was a VICTIMIZED BLACK COMMUNITY.
He told all of those who were in the sound of his voice to OBTAIN ARMS to protect their family and property from marauders.

HERE IS THE IRONY FILLED NEGRO - where as today we have Street Pirates who are flaunting the Second Amendment suppressive laws that you support and thus supplying illegal guns that will end up killing a BLACK MAN........these Black people back in the day ALSO HAD AN ILLEGAL GUN RUNNING OPERATION but for drastically different purposes.

Filled Negro - the WHITE STORE OWNERS conspired to keep guns and ammo out of the hands of BLACK PEOPLE. Absent bullet proof vests at the time - what better way for a Klansman store owner to save his own hide than to not have to worry about getting shot by a Black man who could defend his own property?

In response to the ban - Turner and other Blacks started GUN RUNNING. They would bring guns into these areas and trade them directly with the Black folks. The TARGET of these guns, unlike today, was ANY WHITE PERSON WHO DARED TRY TO DRAG A FAMILY MEMBER OUT OF THE HOUSE to lynch him.

The gun was a deterrent to the Klan.

A COMMUNITY OF GUN TOTING PEOPLE who planned to stand up and DEFEND what is their own PROVED EVEN MORE EFFECTIVE.

Filled Negro - just think about how this scenario varies so greatly from today in North Philly. They have their NOMINAL freedom and "self determination" in theory. Yet it is their CONSCIOUSNESS OF PURPOSE that has vacated them.

Fear not though Filled Negro. These are solid Democratic voters in North Philly. Since this is your primary goal for them - you are quite content with their loss of consciousness.

Do you ever find it strange that in their present LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS they support so many policies that YOU SUPPORT? What should we draw about you by inference?

uptownsteve said...

"You see Filled Negro - there was a time in this nation when Black folks didn't have iron bars on our windows to protect us from Skibop and RayRay who was attempting to steal our flat screen televions while we were at work."

You show me a time in urban America when there was not crime.

Just read Malcolm X autobiography you idiot and you will see that there were crime plagued ghettoes in America during the damn 1930s.

There was never any Paradise Lost in America for black folks.

What you black conservatives are implying with the help of your white right massas is that everything went to hell in Black America after the Civil Rights movement.

And that only shows your sick Uncle Tom mentality.

alicia banks said...

kola/li:

you lamenting "mania" on this blog is akin to hugh hefner lamenting casual sex...thanks for the guffaw!!!
___

holde:

u r welcome!
thank YOU!
i truly love all you post...
real men like you hold up half of my sky

___

m. r:

thank you m. r

i love real christians
who never hate homos
many are my greatest fans...
ie

http://www.faithinamerica.info/gold.php

http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

i cherish you as a fellow intellectual and a true sista

peace...

JohnCrow said...

I used to carry a gun, but when i did i realized that i began to assess every situation (no matter how benign) for potential threats.

Also when i had the gun i was less able to see alternatives to resolving a situation, and for some reason i got into more altercations when i got the gun than i did before when i did not have it.

That being said i still have a gun at home for home defence (its the Britsh spelling i am product of a Brit adapted educational system.) but i don't carry one on my person.


Anon said:

I just read FN is Jamaican...oh boy, there goes the neighborhood.


As Jamaican myself i take offence (brit sp. again) to that. Jamaica is a country of around 2.5 million people.A country where in the 18th and 19th centuries was represented as a dot on most maps of the day. But despite all that we have had an influence on music, sports , and culture around the world. I went to Japan met some people there who can't speak or understand a lick of English, but can speak and understand Jamaican creole (patoi).

"there goes the neighborhood"

My yute in some parts of America...WE ARE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

Anonymous said...

i had a little down time during my PAID WORKDAY, AND thought i would do a little study of the mania.

so here goes -- the definition of mania: 45 posts on a single thread in 12 hours. many of these are simply AB talking to herself, with no one posting in between. i think she only stopped because then she went to the newest thread to begin posting there about obama as evil incarnate and all white people being evil. oh, and how she loves christians.

i didn't include all the anon and other posts that we all know are her.


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Anonymous said...

Anon 12:34,

I believe you. She's a fruitcake for sure. I scroll past everyone of her posts.

alicia banks said...

assnon:

now you are masturbating in stereo/dual auto-masturbation and related pillow talk with your other personalities
and
stalking me on every post too???!!!

now that is extra!...you are a new breed of quasi-masturbator like a lewd loony octopus with a keyboard and lube...

dyam!!!

again:

i never post as assnon
ever
unlike you, i have a spine

YOUs are posting as assnon

YOU are counting your own posts

YOU are talking to yourself about said counting...

shame that is all that morons like you have to "contribute" herein

dyam!

Anonymous said...

AB "now you are masturbating in stereo/dual auto-masturbation and related pillow talk with your other personalities
and
stalking me on every post too???!!!

now that is extra!...you are a new breed of quasi-masturbator like a lewd loony octopus with a keyboard and lube..."

ROFL...ab I love you and your beautiful creative description of Anon 12:34PM, and others too. FN Blog would not be the same without you. I am sure Field would agree.

May I borrow this award-winning description to use on the next asshole?

BTW, your description of anon is sooo accurate! Obviously anon is in a job with nothing to do. In the corporated world, Anon is called "a waste of money".

Hopefully, her boss will rectify the problem and fire her stupid obsessive-thinking-about-AB-ass and give her job to someone who will appreciate it and earn their pay.

Jamdown said...

Field Negro,

You are too funny! This post had me rolling around laughing. How is a minister of God trying to justify bringing a gun to church? If God cannot protect him in church, he needs to hang up his Bible.

Wow!! Times must be rough in Detroit.

Anonymous said...

Laughing @ AB 8:50 pm.

Anonymous said...

Field, "So "God" is a damn Yankeees fan now? No wonder they have all those World Series wins. And here I thought it was all that $ they had to buy players. :)"

Ok, you got me. But wait a minute, maybe the owner of the Yankees is God? He does seem to more money than God.

Anyway, I am glad the Phillies won last night. That town needs some positive recognition before they are shut down by the omnipotent Yankees.

Anonymous said...

fire my stupid ass? hardly. I'M THE BOSS....and AB is the stupid ass!

and not sure why you assume that i'm a "she." i'm not.

oh, and i know this is just AB in her many alias.

alicia banks said...

anon:

yes you may...anytime!

i love you

assnon is a complete lewd loon!

have a great day

Anonymous said...

AB "yes you may...anytime!"

Thanks.

Constructive Feedback said...

I understand you most, Filled Negro - when you evade the most salient points of my posts and instead obfuscate via your imagined tangent based upon what you claim I said.

[quote]What you black conservatives are implying with the help of your white right massas is that everything went to hell in Black America after the Civil Rights movement.[/quote]

So, assuming that this is true, you find this a worse indictment than those "Democrats who are Black" telling our people that IF we vote favorably THEN our communities will be great once "people who care for us are in power".

I bet the people in Yeadon have buyers remorse.

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