Thursday, November 05, 2009

Another American Tragedy.


"We don’t yet know all the details at this moment,” the president continued. “We will share them as we get them. What we do know is that a number of American soldiers have been killed and even more have been wounded in a horrific outburst of violence.”
“My immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and with the families of the fallen and those who live and serve at Ft. Hood,”...These are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk and at times give their lives to protect the rest of us on a daily basis."

Mr. President, I couldn't agree with you more. Imagine, young men fresh out of high school, signing up to serve their country in a war torn land far away, only to be slaughtered by a comrade before they even leave American soil. They were already in a theater of war, they just didn't know it.

My heart goes out to the families of those twelve people who lost their lives, and to the folks who were injured. Who knows what went on in the mind of Maj.Malik Nadal Hasan. -Get used to that name, you will be hearing it a lot over the next few days.- A Jihadist? (As some are already suggesting.) Emotional problems? (The guy is a psychiatrist, so that would be the bitterest of ironies.) Or just a stressed out soldier with deeper personal problems? (We have been down that road before as well.) I don't know, but hopefully we will all know soon enough. The president himself is promising to give us answers, and they better be sooner rather than later. If not, I am sure that the crazies will be all too willing to make up some answers for us.

"There is no greater honor, but also no greater responsibility, than for me to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for,'' ...We are going to stay on this.''

Mr. President, you don't have a choice.

117 comments:

equa yona(Big Bear) said...

I am REALLY hoping this guy wa from a traditionally Christian background. And the other shooters have western sounding names. Otherwise the anti-Islam poo will hit the spinning blades!

Anonymous said...

Can't blame this one on Fox News or Glenn Beck.

Although, you crazies on the left will try.

kathy said...

My nephew is in Iraq, this made me cry today. I was so afraid watching it on t.v., I never turn that thing on, I wish my kids didn't see it.

equa yona, I was thinking the same thing.

Anonymous said...

I am REALLY hoping this guy wa from a traditionally Christian background. And the other shooters have western sounding names. Otherwise the anti-Islam poo will hit the spinning blades!

He's muslim

La♥Incognita said...

My heart goes out to all the brave men and women who have given their lives and presently fighting for us all in Amerikkka. I wish this painful war could end today.

Special thank you also goes out to my black military sisters. For those who are no longer with us, I will always make sure you are always noted and remembered the best way I can.

www.tributetoblackwomen.com/patriot

Also, my heart goes out to all my black sister victims of Anthony Sowell. My condolences goes to their families and loved ones.

Life is too short and precious.

field negro said...

"Can't blame this one on Fox News or Glenn Beck.

Although, you crazies on the left will try."

Stay classy wingnut.


kathy, I hear you. Everyone with a loved one in harms way probably
thought about them today more than they usually do.

"Also, my heart goes out to all my black sister victims of Anthony Sowell. My condolences goes to their families and loved ones.

Life is too short and precious."

Thanks for that La~Incognita, I have been meaning to blog about this story. It's another sad one:( And why the F&*^ weren't these women missed?

FreeMan said...

As my mama said "Was he Black" I said NOPE. She said watch the news spin this to be a Muslim thing. She said if he was Mexican would they blame it on the porous borders? If he was Chinese would they say they are coming to take over the USA and spread communism? If he was Korean would they somehow try to find the link to Kim Jong Il?

So sit back and wait for this to be the sign of the times. Sit back and wait to see how they try to establish some link to Bin Laden.

So "Is He Black" is a sigh of relief saying at least they won't make anything up about us!

Anonymous said...

As my mama said "Was he Black" I said NOPE. She said watch the news spin this to be a Muslim thing. She said if he was Mexican would they blame it on the porous borders? If he was Chinese would they say they are coming to take over the USA and spread communism? If he was Korean would they somehow try to find the link to Kim Jong Il?


You are talking about ethnic groups and nationalities. Being a Muslim is none of those things--it's a choice.

rainywalker said...

Field,
You know that I am one of those whom has had PTSD for 43 years. So tonight I brokedown and cried for those in Texas. There is a time for plenty of blame, questions and mourning. Let those who suffer the most at this time mourn.
rainy

StillaPanther2 said...

Brother Field...I pray for all==both sides on these long wars. At present my son is conducting a class on satellites at Ft. Hood as a DOD rep. This news scared me on two fronts. As I said many times the aftermath of war still lingers for those that were/are there as well as families and people/caregivers that feel these wars on a daily basis. Until it comes close to you.. you can blame, point fingers and make different assessments. The rest of us that have a closenest to this insanity can only be thankful that our love ones are alive. Larry Jr is on Facebook. Larry Armstrong.. send him and the FT Hood's family your love even if you don't (as I do) believe in war. Keep negative comments about my present day beliefs to yourself. Fought in RVN before most of you were born. Brother Field .. as always you are in tune with this wild, wild West world.

Anonymous said...

From the wire service:

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

Justice58 said...

Field,

Thank you so much for your support. Wee can't tell you enough of how much it is appreciated!


Love You!

FlyNMy40s said...

I take a VERY hard stand on issues like these. If it were up to me, ANY muslim who wasn't at least a 3rd generation US Citizen could not serve in the military. Period.

Of course, that wouldn't have done any good with the Timothy McVeigh.

matw said...

equa, NPR reported that the killer was disciplined for promoting his Muslim faith.

So it is safe to assume he's Muslim. So what? Oh! Yeah. I forgot that's all the "color filter" a lot of folks need for their lens to view this tragic event through.

Hoping focus is put on other potential and substantial reasons the crime. For example, the same NPR report I listened to mentioned this base has the highest rate (i.e. shortest turnover) of re-deployments. Issues like that are surely in the mix.

kathy: I sincerely wish you and your nephew peace.

R. Maldonado said...

I'm not one of the wingnuts, but I really don't think that a lone pistolier took out forty guys. I dare say that such a thing is impossible...That's just my shot from the hip though. We really need the facts.

I hope that the President or somebody else with some clout comes out with some very clear guidance to help us through this disaster. Is there anything that is more frustrating and enraging than sudden tragedy? I really thought I was desensitized to shock, but this massacre shook me up.

Stay safe, everyone.

AndreaM said...

God's peace to the soldiers and their families. This is so sad and tragic.

FlyNMy40s said...

On another note, I'm VERY, VERY proud that the work I do is to primarly benefit our service men and women.

My heart goes out the family and friends of those killed/injured in this tragedy.

matw said...

"If it were up to me, ANY muslim who wasn't at least a 3rd generation US Citizen could not serve in the military. Period."

Fly, take a deep breath and read what you said. I hope you will retract.

I hope you realize how discriminatory your measure is. How many Muslims have committed a crime like this?

Justice58 said...

Field,

My step son is stationed at Fort Hood and it happened in the area where he was working but he is alright. A friend's son is there and also a cousin's husband. All are OK but were on lock down for awhile. My step son's mother said he was headed home about an hour ago.

Prayers to the families of the victims and the wounded!

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FreeMan said...

@Anonymous - What difference does it make if being Muslim is a choice! My point is anyone non-white will be spinned and made into a threat to America in some way.

If you think its stupid to make the correlation how about people relating a religion to a persons name. If it's a choice a name doesn't necessarily tie into Islam. In this country there are plenty Arabic names that you may use in your family right now that you don't realize. How about Jamal do you relate that to Islam, Muslims although it's Arabic?

If a man shot someone it's a man not the whole religion, race but when the cowards in caves get hold of it they turn it into a threat to the Great White Way!

Justice58 said...

Remi,

It's 13 dead now!

matw said...

FreeMan, ditto re "spinned and made into threat". Reports are the killer was Muslim, and it is not just his name. What really motivated him to do this?

The Angry Independent said...

Apparently he didn't want to go to Iraq.

And you know the friendly folks over at Fox News and on Conservative radio will try to figure out a way to tie Obama into this... and ostracize Muslims.

I admit, in the back of my mind, I was saying to myself: "God I hope he's not Black"...."Don't Let the Suspect(s) be Black".

Because if they were, the bigots at Fox News (Faux News) would not have been able to contain themselves. It would have been an all out orgy.

Anonymous said...

If a man shot someone it's a man not the whole religion, race but when the cowards in caves get hold of it they turn it into a threat to the Great White Way!

Pick up the Koran and take a look at some of the murderous, hateful, and intolerant things written in it. Why is it that no majority muslim country has the same levels of personal, religious, and sexual freedom that western democracies have?

Race Traitoress said...

I thought 13 included the gunman, but I just got an update that he is still alive and in stable condition.

More will be revealed.

Heartfelt sympathy to those on here who are personally touched by this heinous event, and also to all of the victims and families.

Anonymous said...

FreeMan said...
As my mama said "Was he Black" I said NOPE. She said watch the news spin this to be a Muslim thing. She said if he was Mexican would they blame it on the porous borders? If he was Chinese would they say they are coming to take over the USA and spread communism? If he was Korean would they somehow try to find the link to Kim Jong Il?


Guess yo mama didn't tell you if this guy was white people would have blamed Glenn beck and Fox News.

Just like you leftwing crazies did with that census worker from Kentucky.Turns out he most likely committed suicide.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_census_worker_hanged

matw said...

Anon@12:31
Pick up the Bible and read the same, and if it isn't explicitly written there, then I'm here to tell you many have interpreted it so. Look to yourself before you judge regarding personal, religious, and sexual freedom.

Anonymous said...

The Angry Independent said...
Apparently he didn't want to go to Iraq.

And you know the friendly folks over at Fox News and on Conservative radio will try to figure out a way to tie Obama into this... and ostracize Muslims.

I admit, in the back of my mind, I was saying to myself: "God I hope he's not Black"...."Don't Let the Suspect(s) be Black".

Because if they were, the bigots at Fox News (Faux News) would not have been able to contain themselves. It would have been an all out orgy.

Obsess much?

FreeMan said...

@Anonymous - Look I know this is a blog and people just shoot off at the lip but read the Quran for yourself and see where it says anything like that. I have read the Quran and all the paranoia you have is not in there. It's like the Muslims claiming the Bible is full of hate! When either side says this you know they haven't read it.

How about they don't have "the same levels of personal, religious, and sexual freedom that western democracies have" because they are MORAL!

Why can't you get it through your thick ass head not everyone in this world wants to be like you. They don't have to run their house the way it's done here. You might be surprised how many people in this country don't like the way little girls are made sex symbols when they are 13 and people get on TV and say they can't wait till they are 18. All this freedom you like is somewhat perverted and yet you think why isn't everyone like this?

You need to do a ten times more reading than you do reacting!

Anonymous said...

"Because if they were, the bigots at Fox News (Faux News) would not have been able to contain themselves. It would have been an all out orgy."

It's a shame how much power Fox News has over the minds of Blacks and Whites. Blacks are hyper-vigilant and constantly worried about Fox. It's very sad.

Anonymous said...

Why can't you get it through your thick ass head not everyone in this world wants to be like you. They don't have to run their house the way it's done here. You might be surprised how many people in this country don't like the way little girls are made sex symbols when they are 13 and people get on TV and say they can't wait till they are 18. All this freedom you like is somewhat perverted and yet you think why isn't everyone like this?



Yes I know people want to stone adulterers in Indonesia, and ban women from driving in Saudi Arabia, and blow rival religious believers to bits in Iraq, but we don't need that lunacy here.We have enough bullshit of our own.

"Pick up the Bible and read the same, and if it isn't explicitly written there, then I'm here to tell you many have interpreted it so. Look to yourself before you judge regarding personal, religious, and sexual freedom."

Your right! The Bible's bullshit too!

matw said...

"Why can't you get it through your thick ass head not everyone in this world wants to be like you. ...
You need to do a ten times more reading than you do reacting!"

If more people understood those two facts, then we would all be in a much better situation. Thank you FreeMan for making the point.

matw said...

Anon, you missed my point. It wasn't to bash any holy book. It was to cause you to self reflect a bit. Show some respect for other peoples beliefs; you'll be better for it.

Anonymous said...

Show some respect for other peoples beliefs; you'll be better for it.

Muslims have no respect for my non-belief. Why should I respect their belief?

Anonymous said...

VIII/36:
Lo! those who disbelieve spend their wealth in order that they may debar (men) from the way of Allah. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be conquered. And those who disbelieve will be gathered unto hell.

Gregory said...

From the Military Times website:

"Hasan earned his rank of major in May 2008.

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech University in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry there in 1997."

This means that Hasan has been in the Army almost 20 years, so the story is going to be far more complex than the simple minded wingnut meme of "Jihad". Since Hasan is still alive, at the time of this posting, perhaps he will be able to provide the motive. That is a rare thing in mass shootings, as the shooter rarely survives that final law enforcement encounter.

matw said...

Anon,
I know some people have no respect for your non-belief. I feel the same way; I too don't believe.

You should respect their belief, as in try to understand it and not out of hand belittle it. If you have issues with those beliefs, then you should confront them. With the holders of those beliefs, forthrightly and with an open mind.

To answer your question ...
"Why should I respect their belief?"

Because they are people just like you.

Anonymous said...

As my mama said "Was he Black" I said NOPE. She said watch the news spin this to be a Muslim thing. She said if he was Mexican would they blame it on the porous borders? If he was Chinese would they say they are coming to take over the USA and spread communism? If he was Korean would they somehow try to find the link to Kim Jong Il?

But if he was an Israeli Jew you wouldn't be saying maybe it is relevent? You think the Muslim media wouldn't be pointing it out? Louis Farrakhan wouldn't bring it up? All the Muslims who are now saying we shouldn't notice he was an Arab Muslim, would they notice if he was an Israeli Jew? Fuck yes they would.
Btw, when things like this happen we keep being warned we should be careful not to get angry or it may inspire hate crimes against Muslims... yet in the state I live in the only serious hate crime involving a Muslim was the one who opened fire at a Jewish center.

rudekitty said...

Sure President Obama has a choice. He could do like his asshole predecessor and simply ignore the troops and their problems, other than to use them for ridiculous photo-ops where he struts around in a crotch-stuffed flight suit. Hopefully he's enough of a man that he won't do that though.

Anonymous said...

I could live with the "don't bring up race/relgion" thing FN and a few others are spewing when it's a two way street.
For instance, when an American deployed in Iraq murdered and raped a Iraqi girl there were around 4 revenge killings.
It was a henious crime, but really, Iraqi girls are sometimes murdered by their own people and there is no call to target Muslim Arab men in revenge.
In a far different story, the Duke LAcrrose thing was only promenent because of the race of the perps and the (alleged) victim. None of those people up in arms about it act that way when it is a blac-on-black rape or black-on-white crime.
So we are ALL guilty of this. It's not white american racism at work like some of the above state.

NOLOVE said...

Looks like the he pulled a disgruntal white boy move.
I wonder if he liked nascar,or extreme sports,maybe a rape dungeon in his basement,or a taste for children,My bad thats crakkker type pastimes.

FreeMan said...

@Anonymous - Obviously you have problems with Muslims so anything you are probably trying to get across is tainted by your fear or hate of them!

Anonymous said...

@FreeMan- I have a problem with Muslims. Uh, you may want to look at the perso who posted directly above you. See any prejudice there? If you still don't check his profile where he says his favorite movies are the ones that show a lot of white people being murdered. Yeah, someone is a bigot and the fact that you missed the obvious shows you are the one who has "problems with certain groups

Kevin S. said...

So I sat in Iraqi hearing this as it happened. My family is there and I am more worried about them than what happens here. Someone wondered how they could shoot so many so easily, I know that building. A lot of the rooms there have one or two doors to get in or out. That is shooting fish in a barrel type of situation. No one is allowed to carry weapons unless authorized to avoid something like this. I'm just awaiting the backlash comments and of course our friends at Fox to fan these flames. Its a different day on base today....

I am not Star Jones said...

Am I the only one who thinks that maybe the stress of being in the Army is the cause of him cracking up and not his religion?

And to all the people like Anon. who are so quick to condemn an entire religion based on the actions of one:

Please stop. It's demeans us all and doesn't solve anything. It's disgusting to use the death of 12 people to justify your personal biases.

Aim higher -- become a human being.

field negro said...

Rainy and StillaPanther2,you know I love you both, not only for the type of people you both seem to be, but because of all you did for your country. StillaPanther, I will check out your son's page and send him a shout.


"This means that Hasan has been in the Army almost 20 years, so the story is going to be far more complex than the simple minded wingnut meme of "Jihad". Since Hasan is still alive, at the time of this posting, perhaps he will be able to provide the motive. That is a rare thing in mass shootings, as the shooter rarely survives that final law enforcement encounter."

Gregory, those are some great points.

Kevin S, stay safe over there in Iraq.

"It's a shame how much power Fox News has over the minds of Blacks and Whites. Blacks are hyper-vigilant and constantly worried about Fox. It's very sad."

Not! It's the other way around. FAKE NEWS focuses on other groups to feed their wingnut frenzy and keep poor ignorant whites-who are always worried about the scary black people-watching.

Justice I am glad your step-son is safe. And you are welcome on that other thing.

"Aim higher -- become a human being."

Words to live by.

Mack Lyons said...

You might be surprised how many people in this country don't like the way little girls are made sex symbols when they are 13 and people get on TV and say they can't wait till they are 18. All this freedom you like is somewhat perverted and yet you think why isn't everyone like this?

Do we have a Freudian slip going on here or you just pulling our leg?

imured said...

I take a VERY hard stand on issues like these. If it were up to me, ANY muslim who wasn't at least a 3rd generation US Citizen could not serve in the military. Period.

I am so glad you understand profiling...not! Are you white?

Stay classy wingnut.

Because 1) this board is classy??? 2) The term wingnut is classy???

I wonder if he liked nascar,or extreme sports,maybe a rape dungeon in his basement,or a taste for children,My bad thats crakkker type pastimes.

You are becoming what you most despise...hateful and prejudice.

You 3 above: Got double standards hidden behind that veil of fained care? I am not so sure you do.

BigmacInPittsburgh said...

Any killing is sicken to me,don't matter if it occurs at Ft.Hood or in "KILLADELPHIA",but what will it take for most people to simply get to the point where they say I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore?My guess is we have gotten so use to murder and mayhem that one or 12 more bodies doesn't make a difference.Seems to me the only time the disgust meter moves for a lot of people is when it's up close and personal.So all of you people claiming shock spare Bigmac from the tears!

Anonymous said...

"So "Is He Black" is a sigh of relief saying at least they won't make anything up about us!"

But trust that if the shooter was white, you and your mama would be pleased to talk about "crazy white men going postal".

uptownsteve said...

BigMac,

"Any killing is sicken to me,don't matter if it occurs at Ft.Hood or in "KILLADELPHIA",but what will it take for most people to simply get to the point where they say I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking it anymore?"

Leave it to the resident coonservative to do a deflection to urban crime.

BigMac for the 100th time, what is you suggestion for dealing with urban crime?

Watch he won't say $hit.

Bob said...

Since it was was suicidally premeditated, I have no objection to calling it a terrorist act. I'd say the same about the mass murder at Virginia Tech. Motivations? That we don't know yet. But the pot was simmering long before it boiled over.

uptownsteve said...

This is a terrible tragedy.

An act of a madman lashing out violently at innocents.

PERIOD.

It's got nothing to do with race or religion but those issues always seem to arise when perps are non-white or Muslim.

Wine Dog said...

I don't understand why these crazies can't just cap themselves and leave it at that.

But this mass murder crap seems to be the fabric of our nation now. Sad what we let define us.

p.s. Thank you for referring to him as Mr. President. The more we do, the more it will cheapen and marginalize the butterfly wingnut contingent.

p.s.s. Uptownsteve -word.

alicia banks said...

ditto fn:

ALL of the soldiers are stressed out

even the atheists

they are raping and feeding on each other like cannibals

because

OBAMA PROMISED TO BRING THEM HOME AND HE NEVER EVER WILL!!!!!

the carnage is constant and will escalate each day

Anonymous said...

"It's got nothing to do with race or religion but those issues always seem to arise when perps are non-white or Muslim."

I don't remember it being an issue in the media after the Va. Tech shootings.

It hasn't been an issue in the Anthony Sowell case.

Anonymous said...

It's got nothing to do with race or religion but those issues always seem to arise when perps are non-white or Muslim.

Then why was he shouting 'Allahu Akbar' as was reported by soldiers on the scene?

alicia banks said...

anon:

would any one of his victims be any less dead or wounded if he had yelled "hallelujiah/glory to god/jesus saves"...etc???

the issue is rage
not religion

and these ENDLESS wars for oil and contracts has ENRAGED millions

even those enraged like me who hate and reject all religions equally

Anonymous said...

and these ENDLESS wars for oil and contracts has ENRAGED millions

They've been killing each other Allah for centuries. You of all people should complain. You should take a trip over to a muslim country and see what they do to lesbians. That's punishable by death under Islam.

alicia banks said...

assnon:

i will pass

i get to see enough lesbians tortured and dogged and raped and robbed and outlawed and "punished to death" right here in the good old homohating usa

are you being xenophobic/flaunting your arrogant ignorance about us history???

"THEY" have been killing?
only "THEY"???

news flash:
the usa has not been a utopia for centuries

LOTS of people who are not lesbians have been killed in the usa...

check that

that is why i pity all the dadt abused lesbian solders trapped in these wars most!!!

alicia banks said...

assnon:

ps

i am still awaiting your reply as to whether a muslim bullet is any less deadly than a christian one...

got muslim bigotry?

Anonymous said...

You are right, the USA has not been a utopia. However, what's going on now? The US is a utopia compared to any muslim country. The country that houses the holiest sites in Islam doesn't even want to let women drive cars! Indonesia has long been considered a "liberal" muslim country; Yet, one of their provinces has passed a law that imposes a death penalty for married adulterers. The guilty persons will be stoned to death.

Bad news too for unmarried adulterers and homosexuals: Aceh’s new law provides a punishment of 100 lashes with a cane and a fine of 100 grams of pure gold for guilty individuals,

They also believe that rape can't occur if two people are married.

Anonymous said...

i am still awaiting your reply as to whether a muslim bullet is any less deadly than a christian one...

got muslim bigotry?

Christians and Muslims both share warped beliefs that are rooted in a barbaric past. The Koran and the BIble are both filled with orgies of violence and calls to kill non-believers. I have zero respect for that. The big difference is the power of Christianity over governments has been waning for centuries. Yet, Islam is gaining strength and this gaining strength has met the loss of freedom for millions caught in its path, especially women. You can respect Muslims all you want but you'll get no such respect back. I oppose any belief system that wants to stifle free speech. Islam is rooted in intolerance and primitive religious thinking, it's a bane to any kind of societal progress. We have enough Christian nuts in this country without inviting any more muslim nuts in to join them. You think both sides would get along more; they both think they have all the answers and they both think non-believers are going to hell.

alicia banks said...

funny how you are ignoring the topic and my query as you feign concern for muslim laws/homos in their OWN country...

your attempt to change the subject as you do so is duly noted

muslim laws are horridly sexist
and homohating yes
so is way too much that goes on in the usa for you to pretend that that you & america are superior

that pretense does nothing to mask your blatant muslim bigotry

this was one enraged sick soldier who happened to be muslim

it will be used my millions of FATALLY dishonest and distracted haters like you to indict all muslims

shame!!!

Anonymous said...

Don't all muslims believe in the Koran? here's some of the kind and loving words in that holy book:

Kill non-believers
4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.
Killing Idolaters
9.5: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Islam Acceptable:
3.85: And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
No friends from outsiders
3.118: O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people; they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand.
No friends with non believers
3.28: Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
Believers make superior friends
4.144: O you who believe! do not take the unbelievers for friends rather than the believers; do you desire that you should give to Allah a manifest proof against yourselves?
God a plotter
8.30: And when those who disbelieved devised plans against you that they might confine you or slay you or drive you away; and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners.
Anti Jewish verses
5.82: Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly.

alicia banks said...

anon:

i respect all humans
especially those who respect me

i respect no religion and no bigot

Eddie said...

To me, it's no different than when guys used to trhow grenades in their command officer's tent in the Vietnam War. Some folks get stressed out and crazy in war and will do anything to keep form fighting.

Anonymous said...

Alicia,

Im surprised that you are tolerant of intolerance. But, maybe I shouldn't be. Once again, they can do what they like in their country. But I don't want to hear bullshit about respecting their beliefs in this country when they have no respect for mine. I believe in reciprocity: I'll give you your freedom, if you give men mine; I'll respect your right, if you respect mine.

alicia banks said...

assnon:

nothing is an intolerant as the christian americans who make my american life hell every damned day on us soil!!!!

the usa invaded the "terrorists"!!!
to steal their oil and make dick c rich

what did they do to u????

i loathe blind patriotism!

Anonymous said...

I don't respect Christians either; like the Muslims, they have no love for infidel non-believers. yet, i have way more rights under our flawed democracy than i'd ever have in a muslim country.

alicia banks said...

asson:

pray tell

what did any iraqui or afghani do to take yor "freedom" etc...

what???

there are no wmds/they have nothing to do with 9/11...so

why are we engaged in these wars
per you??????

while you are at it:

how go legally married gays hurt you????

how will my wife and i increase
soaring HET divorce rates???

there is one correct answer for ALL these queries

Anonymous said...

You are right-those wars are bullshit. Notice they were started by a religious lunatic-Bush. I also believe gays should be allowed to be married.

There's no difference between the Christains and the muslims. Look at these two passages from the Bible and the Koran-they could be straight from the same book.

O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.


Bush and Bin Laden were pretty much the same people in my opinion.

alicia banks said...

assnon:


this is about a mass murder
not civil rights

and the lesser of evils is still evil

canadians say the same about the usa as they fare better in all freedoms than the usa/americans...homos included

Anonymous said...

canadians say the same about the usa as they fare better in all freedoms than the usa/americans...homos included

Your right, I never said this country was the best one. That award would probably go to Denmark or Norway, maybe Canada. They all have pretty dreary weather though.

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...
It's got nothing to do with race or religion but those issues always seem to arise when perps are non-white or Muslim.

This is funny coming from you.Every other post you like to point out what whitey does.


field negro said...
Not! It's the other way around. FAKE NEWS focuses on other groups to feed their wingnut frenzy and keep poor ignorant whites-who are always worried about the scary black people-watching.

NOT!!!!More tired leftwing talking points.A Pew Research study shows Fox News viewers tend to be more informed on national issues than people who watch CNN or MSDNC.

I know,i know, Fox News doesn't toe the Democrat line so they must be destroyed.

maria said...

obama will bring them home. have patience.

eddie, i agree with you. but what a coward. as a shrink, he likely would have been assigned to a medical facility and NOT ever had to set foot on a battlefield.

my guess is he yelled "god is great" (if he did) in order to protect his soul as he was committing what he thought was suicide. didn't quite turn out that way, but just because the guy is alive and in "stable" condition, doesn't mean he's going to survive. he was shot multiple times, and "stable" isn't a condition. good, fair, critical, those are conditions.

uptownsteve said...

"This is funny coming from you.Every other post you like to point out what whitey does."

Oh really?

How about posting an example.

Take all the time you need.

chicago dyke said...

obama will bring them home. have patience.


i doubt it. esp b/c he's increasing troop levels in af'stan, not bringing them home.

very few presidents, and certainly few democratic ones, have been willing to stand up to the ever-more hungry for cash military-industrial complex. so long as the money flows, the wars will go on.

Dark Moon said...

There has been another recent shooting rampage in Orlando, FL:

ORLANDO, Fla. - One person was killed and at least seven were critically wounded in a shooting inside a downtown Orlando high-rise building Friday morning, authorities said. The suspect was described as on the loose and extremely dangerous.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33726074/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/?GT1=43001

Anonymous said...

Dark Moon said...
There has been another recent shooting rampage in Orlando, FL:


The shooter is hispanic!!!!!

Why are minorities so angry?

alicia banks said...

fn:

great article on ft. hood massacre
and its omen

http://www.alternet.org/media/143779/focusing_on_ft._hood_killer%27s_beliefs_are_an_easy_out_to_avoid_the_deeper_reasons_for_the_massacre?page=entire

LACoincidental said...

Chicago Dyke -- we have agree to disagree. If Obama wants to keep his job for more than one term, he definitely start moving to bring the soldiers home. Otherwise, the left will stay home and the only people who be voting are party loyalists, old black church ladies and the tea baggers. Not a good look.

But we do agree that increase the troops isn't a good look either.

Xi said...

Anon 8:09 said: "Can't blame this one on FOX News or Glenn Beck although you crazies on the left will try"

FN replied: "Stay classy wingnut"


Wayne Bennett kinda reminds me of the old Jack Nicholson line when he said:"My mother never saw the irony of calling me a son of a bitch."

maria said...

obama has not yet acted on mchrystal's request for 40,000 additional trips.

this is an interesting analysis of where support is (or isn't).

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/20/AR2009102003780.html

maria said...

i meant TROOPS

Xi said...

@12:44,
Stable means just that sugar. The MFM will survive this incident.
The question is how are we going to interrogate this guy?
Since 911 there have been no Muslim terrorist incidents on US soil so we sure better not allude to that now that Bush ain't the Prez to blame. However, since Muslims can't drink beer how is Obama going get info out of this bad guy?

Sharon from WI said...

Why can't you get it through your thick ass head not everyone in this world wants to be like you. They don't have to run their house the way it's done here. You might be surprised how many people in this country don't like the way little girls are made sex symbols when they are 13 and people get on TV and say they can't wait till they are 18. All this freedom you like is somewhat perverted and yet you think why isn't everyone like this?<<

Freeman,

I think you would agree that there must be a happy medium between sexualizing 13 year old girls and having extremists chasing unveiled girls into a burning building or killing young women (who supposedly have dishonored their family) for being rape victims.

That said, Thursday’s shooting in Texas is indeed a terrible tragedy. My prayers are with the survivors, their families and the families of the slain victims.

Sharon from WI said...

However, since Muslims can't drink beer how is Obama going get info out of this bad guy?<<

Beer would be a bad idea, as if that'd be possible in the first place.

A co-worker said the suspect also had a drinking problem (apparently he indulged), so Muslim or not, it wouldn't be a good idea if this is true.

Frank Drackman said...

Field, I cannot believe you aren't all over this Cleveland dead Hooker story like stink on shit...
Y'all know its some racist white guy killin all those Hoes... Let me know when they catch him, OK???

Frank

JohnCrow said...

@Anon said :
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful


Nice thats from verse 5 Section 1 (Declaration of immunity) from Chapter 4 (Reasons for Immunity). Strange you only highlighted that verse considering there are five other verses in the section that provides context to that one.

The section spoke of occurrences were Muslim tribes made peace treaties with pagan Arabian tribes so that both could live side by side.The treaties called for the respect of each groups religious sites and rules when in each others territory. The section speaks to where if the pagan attacked (or other breaches but primary reason should be aggressive action)the Muslims were then permitted to retaliate. The doctrine arose due to the Tabuk expedition into the mid east.


There are other false premises and some verses that you have that just plain don't exists. But if i were to break down each one it would take long time. Good try at trying to spread the hate though...props (sarcastic tone)

Hopefully Fox News will retrains themselves. Because there are muslim soldiers who have fought and died for the United States and its values.

LACoincidental said...

As Chris Rock once said -- whatever happened to plain old crazy? Instead trying to make this gunman as some type of sleeper cell agent for the Taliban, why can't we simply say 'Hey, this a soldier, despite being a trained psychiatrist, got freaked about going off to war and 'fragged' his brothers in arms.'

This was common in Vietnam -- a solider would lose their nut and toss a fragment grenade into a CO's tent. The fact that it was a doctor and he wasn't deployed yet makes it alot more disturbing.


Religion and education has nothing to do with it. Tim McVeigh has a stereotypical wingnut Christian and Gulf War Vet. That didn't stop him from losing his marbles and blowing up tax office in OK. Oh, and lets not forget that the Unabomber was a Harvard educated Math Professor. There's no IQ requirements or religious limits to violent madness. IOW, smart people can go crazy and one's God or lack there of does not cause or stop craziness.


But we know the steeze -- the Wingnut right will want to kick all Muslims and Arabs out of the US Armed Forces and claim that its all Obama's fault that this guy went bonkers.

And the Left will say that this the cost of a prolonged pointless war and its a clear sign Obama needs to leave now -- which is closer to the truth. But said left will do virtually nothing beyond posting 9/11 truther nonsense and making nasty comments on a blog.

alicia banks said...

lac:


the left is doing far more than/THE SAME as ALL of our peers...including bloggers like you

fyi

the left sees how obama has escalated this in EVERY possible way

ie

this is what hillary meant when she said obama's thin resume/lack of experience would betray him:


http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

alicia banks said...

lac:

here is more on obama from the left


http://newsone.com/nation/first-black-nyc-mayor-criticizes-obama-for-not-supporting-bill-thompson/

Anonymous said...

What happens to non-believers when they die according to Islamic belief? Do you burn in hell, like in Christianity?

Sharon from WI said...

Can't blame this one on Fox News or Glenn Beck.

Although, you crazies on the left will try.

8:09 PM <<

Interrestingly enough, Rush Limbaugh's Friday fill-in from the National Review ascribed the Fort Hood tragedy to a tolerance of multiculturalism and political correctness.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200911060037

Sharon from WI said...

What happens to non-believers when they die according to Islamic belief? Do you burn in hell, like in Christianity?<<

@Anonymous 5:48

Apparently it is believed that non-believers go to hell.

31. What about non-Muslims do; they go to heaven?
Ans: Allah only accepts Islam. He says in the Quran: "Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam it won't be accepted of him, and he will be one of the losers in the hereafter". I would rather lose anywhere, but not lose in the hereafter. This is because hellfire is eternal. It never ends and we never die when we go there, if we go there.

Source: www.sultan.org

kathy said...

Sharon, thank you for the link, I read a comment at another news site saying the same thing. I expect this idea is going to take on a life of it's own with Fake News and other media.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what made him crazy, but I no longer trust Muslims or graduates of Virginia Tech.

LACoincidental said...

AB: I've read the articles, but I still make the point that tea baggers make blog posts, and make their politicians pay (see upstate new york). Or we let pricks like Bloomberg slide on into their post. We collectively sit on our hands.

Dinkins thinks that Obama should stump for the mayor of New York. First, we both agree, Obama ain't about to take on Wall Street directly.

But here's a bigger point -- in a city that's over 50% of the population are either Black, Asian or Latino, how the Hell did a rich Jewish guy with no real political ties beyond Wall Street take the prize -- AGAIN? And with the anti-poverty activists and rich liberals running around, why should the President step in.

The NYC progressive and Democratic coalitions have been floundering long before a Skinny Light Skinned Negro from the Chi got to the White House. Take from a New York resident, Obama could stumped for two month straight, and Bloomberg could have still pulled a squeaker.

And as the for the second piece -- Obama's reaction was a lot more than Smirk's reaction to Katrina. Obama's stand-offish, Bush was down right ambivalent to everything. Sounds like the typical typical Chicago neo-conservative reaction to me.

kathy said...

Blogger LACoincidental said...


But here's a bigger point -- in a city that's over 50% of the population are either Black, Asian or Latino, how the Hell did a rich Jewish guy with no real political ties beyond Wall Street take the prize -- AGAIN? And with the anti-poverty activists and rich liberals running around, why should the President step in.

The NYC progressive and Democratic coalitions have been floundering long before a Skinny Light Skinned Negro from the Chi got to the White House. Take from a New York resident, Obama could stumped for two month straight, and Bloomberg could have still pulled a squeaker.

___________________
LaCoincidental, I can't figure out how a man who called transit workers "thugs" for going on strike, meanwhile he sits there as a millionarse, could be so popular and get re-elected.
Bloomberg does love studying Spanish, though.

3rdStoneFromTheSun said...

lets not trip on religion, because nuts come from all religious sects

as do victims

LACoincidental said...

Kathy -- I'll take this one. Its rather simple -- Bloomberg makes the Upper West Side stockbroker types and the suburban soccer mom types in Queens happy. And they vote.

Black folks, Hispanics, working class whites and white liberals don't vote. Most Black, Latinos and poor whites are too busy scrambling to make a living and not get booted out of their home. (Making room for some trust fund baby hipster living on daddy's credit card). And activists and Democratic Party hacks are too busy protesting everything and/or jockey for some government contract to get this joker out. And didn't help that Dinkins wasn't that great a Mayor.

Perfect example -- last election cycle Bloomberg waltzed in because Black and Latino political powerbrokers got into a public pissing contest during the primaries, splitting the Democratic ticket. Its was ugly -- Sharpton and Amsterdam News flipped the bird at Freddie Ferrara when he beat out the Black candidate. And the Spanish language press all but vowed to throw their support behind Bloomberg if the Manhattan Borough President won the nomination.

Its the same a lot city election, activists and party hacks have a cat fight and the GOP/corporate candidate walks away the win.

kathy said...

LACoincidental said...
Black folks, Hispanics, working class whites and white liberals don't vote.

Most Black, Latinos and poor whites are too busy scrambling to make a living and not get booted out of their home

____________
why do they not vote?

Anonymous said...

LACoincidental-"This was common in Vietnam -- a solider would lose their nut and toss a fragment grenade into a CO's tent. The fact that it was a doctor and he wasn't deployed yet makes it alot more disturbing."

Can you provide proof of this grenade tossing into a CO's tent that was so 'common'.

I served in Vietnam and I don't recall that being common. It might have happened but it was "rare", not "common".

Do you know something about the Vietnam War that I don't?

Houston said...

But you know what? He was a Muslim. He did scream "god is great" in Arabic. He was offended by the U.S. presence in two Muslim countries where it is quite obvious that we are an invader and occupier. American Muslims must be in serious conflict over this reality. To prove themselves "good' Americans, they have to distance themselves not only from their crazy cousins everywhere, but also from their sense of what is inately just and unjust.

For the record, I think Islam is an evil cult, even when they're not strapping on suicide-bomb vests and killing women and children in Israel, they stone Gay men. Fuck 'em, I say. American Muslims don't like the heat? Start preaching a different sermon. Distance yourself from the extremists in Palestine, in Indonesia, in Pakistan, in India. Condemn the Iranis when they hang young Gay men. Speak up when your co-religionists stone a young woman because she was raped. Islam is an primitive, tribal cult based on superstition and evil, very similar to fundamentalist Christians and Jews.

The problem is religion. Muslim? A detail. Only a detail. Does anyone doubt that Bush and his Republicans started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as anything other than a Christian jihad in revenge of the World Trade Center attacks on 9/11?

Sorry for ranting. Sometimes it just spews out before I have a chance to stop it. I could simply not publish it, but where's the fun in that?

Anonymous said...

LACoincidental said...
Black folks, Hispanics, working class whites and white liberals don't vote.
Most Black, Latinos and poor whites are too busy scrambling to make a living and not get booted out of their home

Bullshit. Black folks, HIspanis and poor whites don't have time to vote? What about people who don't work at all, live on public assistence, do they not have time to vote?
PLEASE. BLacks, hispanics and poor whites seem to find plenty of time to party and watch TV. To pretend people can't take 30 seconds to mail a letter in delusional. I know plenty of people of all social economic backgrounds who work 70+ hours a week. Yet they would never whine that they don't have time. Silly.

Anonymous said...

Houston,

Ditto

Anonymous said...

these comments show the bigotry of the reverse-racist shitbags who infest this smelly blog

alicia banks said...

lac:

dinkins and i will not use the sins of bloomberg to make obama appear more saintly...

and the teabaggers are organizing/traveling/protesting/warriors...which is far more than i can say for any of their critics

the best teabagger sign to date reads:
"IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT MY SIGN SAYS, THE MEDIA WILL CALL IT RACIST ANYWAY"

i agree!

obama's evils are exposed more each time someone can ONLY defend them by harping on the evil of another or calling all who check obama racists...

Anonymous said...

you coons are the most treacherous of any group in America, I bet your false messiah can't wait to give the terrorist nut job a medal. don't worry your time is coming - fucking traitors

Anonymous said...

he didn't wait to draw a conclusion in the skip gates case, why is he waiting now, oh yeah, he a worships that bull shit religion of peace. when Israel glasses the middle east, heres hoping they'll nuke these inner cities full coons and apes and rid America of you animals once and for all.

Anonymous said...

You can't keep mess'n with a mans culture, religion, person and life and not expect every now and then that one of then won't go off the deep end. It's sad that it happened this way but some folks just won't take it.

Anonymous said...

Field and all those who read here,

Found a reference to an interesting website that all should be aware of especially now.

http://www.apaam.org/index.html

Please educate yourself by following the above link, not all Muslims serving in our military are like Maj. Hasan.

Please be aware.

Aloha
Makaii

Anonymous said...

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