*My man Cal Soldier actually commented on this next topic and made me decide to blog about it tonight. I am talking, of course, about the upcoming trial of alleged 911 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. Yes it seems that his O ness has decided to put my man on trial just blocks from where he allegedly slaughtered over two thousand people. Folks, if you think the O.J. trial was a circus, just wait until this one gets going.
I can't say I blame his O ness. This is, after all, a country of laws. At least the last time I checked it was. The folks over at Radio Rwanda and on the right are proclaiming that this is a civil trial, -as if we were suing the guy for money or something- but it's actually a civil-ian trial. Which means it will not be in secret or in a military court. But it's funny how some people play with words. "Civil" trial sounds so much softer.
But field, think of all the security that will be needed to try this guy, why even go through with all of this? Yes, you are right, maybe we should have just taken him out and shot him like Glen Beck recently suggested on his radio program. I guess that's the right wing way of doing things. It worked pretty well for them back in the day when those "strange fruits" were hanging from trees. Or, maybe we could just stone him to death like they would do in some of those countries where his Muslim brothers reside.
Over at Radio Rwanda they are terrified that Mohammed could actually be found innocent. And, that somehow the trial won't get the correct result that we are all seeking. (??????) Wait, it's a trial, which means that if there is a possibility that he is innocent he should be found not guilty. I mean that is how A-merry-can jurisprudence works, right?
But field, why should this guy be treated like any other ordinary criminal? He is a terrorist. We don't need a show trial to fire up the terrorist. This guy wants to die.
Because he is an alleged criminal and a murderer, and, if convicted, he will be put to death. Besides, if he wants to die [as some are suggesting] maybe he will confess to the whole thing and save us all the trouble of a trial.
"Mr. Holder said he would instruct prosecutors to seek death sentences for Mr. Mohammed and four accused Sept. 11 co-conspirators who would be tried alongside him."
Yep, I would say that if found guilty he would suffer the same fate he would if he was tried in a military court and found guilty. Unless, of course, the military has some other way of administering the death penalty that would make him even more dead.
"We should not be increasing the danger of another terrorist strike..."
So says republican Peter King of new York. And how exactly, Mr. King, is having a trial in new York going to do that? You mean as opposed to invading a country [that had nada to do with 911] and killing a bunch of Muslim women and children? Look, I know that my republican friends lost interest in verisimilitude a long time ago, but Mr. King, that is one hell of a reach.
Still, I get it, it's politics as usual. We always have to score cheap political points at any cost. Even at the expense of one of the tenets on which this country was built: The rule of law.
*Pic courtesy of the AP and lifted from The NY Times.
57 comments:
This was the way to go in the first place. They tried and executed McVeigh, they didn't go and invade and occupy Idaho, did they?
P.S. I'd like to see a twofer with Dick Cheney swinging on the same rope as this dude.
I am that the Justice Department made a decision to put the person on trial. I have a problem with the politicization when it should been a criminal case from the beginning. We can brand them as terrorists, but using the term is vague and intangible. Politicians have waged war on an intangible ideology that make a couple feel good, but symbolic at best. If we follow the logic of terrorists being tried in miltiary court, then Timothy McVigh should been tried under the same theory.
Ernesto
I have to learn to make comments brief and concise because you beat to it and spelled McVeigh's correctly, lol.
Field,
Thank you for posting on this. The more people talk about it, then its more likely that this is done the right way.
I've got two points of view here. When it comes to Mohammed and his ilk, I want them tried in open court. This country's strength comes from the rule of law, and our dedication to it - especially when the criminals commit disgusting and horrendous acts. This is what make us different than "pick a dictatorship" country that can accuse, try, and execute without fear of consequence.
We, as a country, are much better than that.
Now, for the USS Cole perpetrators - I really don't have an issue with them facing a military tribunal. The victims were military and the crime took place in a military-controlled area (a ship). Being a Soldier with extensive experience following and enforcing UCMJ, I trust the system in place.
Now, if this tribunal turns out to be the made-up thing that Mr. Bush and his cohorts created, then that's another story.
Bottom line is that we can't let fear keep us from applying the rule of law. That should be the #1 lesson from the Bush years.
Sorry about the acronym:
UCMJ = Uniform Code of Military Justice, the system of law that all military service members live under.
Field, did you happen to see Glenn Beck on friday? man, he had a bunch of house negroes in his studio to complain about President Obama and his policies, it was unbelievable to me that a group of blacks would sit in a Fox studio and complain about another black man to Beck of all people.
I don't know what the wingnuts have to fear, unless they are worried that they have the wrong guy. Our judicial system should be a model for the world to follow. The guilty are punished, the innocent are exonerated and justice is served. At least, that is the way it is supposed to work.
As for the security concerns, c'mon, this is the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, right?
Don't worry, wingnuts, KSM looks like Ron Jeremy, so he must be guilty as fuck. Right?
"This is what make us different than "pick a dictatorship" country that can accuse, try, and execute without fear of consequence."
Aren't americans doing just that in Afghanistan and Iraq?(as well as here in the usa)
Agree with Shabazz. We seem to pick and choose when we want to show the world the true face of our country. Other times we shoot first and make excuses only for as long as we deem necessary before turning a deaf ear. Then we attack somebody like Hugo Chavez.
I've lived in Japan for the larger share of my adult life, most of that serving in uniform. To hear comments of the other expats here is upsetting. To know that they are often correct actually makes it painful.
I'll never understand how it is that the people who want the most blood seem to be those that wear their faith of a man on their sleeves. A man who was so completely against shedding blood.
leave it to the black racist scumbags here to be sympathetic to Al Qaeda.
I suppose you idiots don't even know that Al Qaeda has a 'no negroes' policy.
Insh'allah, black racist motherfuckers.
The Administration is not trying everyone in civilian court. Some of the detainees will still be tried in front of military commissions-for example the guy who is a suspect in the bombing of the USS Cole.
So I think that the people who are getting "real" trials are only people that the government is sure it can convict.
It's a bait and switch move.
I'm with Ernesto on his "twofer". And they can include a few of our home grown fingernail pullers and arm twisters on the docket as well.
If "just following orders" wasn't an excuse for Germans at Nurnberg, why should it be for Americans?
But...the UCMJ...never been comfy with it.
When I was a private, decades ago, mys self and some other "trainee duds" were set to cleaning floors in a building where courts martial were being held. God-like individuals would walk over our work, and some would stop, survey our efforts, scream at us for our inadequecies as janitors, and leave more black streaks and "swirls" for us to clean up.
But it was the proceedings: one person would be sent into the board, would come out, and a major would stick out his head and bawl, "Bring in the next guilty turd"! (the posted results indicated that all brought before that board were, indeed, all 'guilty turds' we looked)
This same major gave us our UCMJ training, told us all about how it was even fairer than the civil system, presumtion of innocence...yeah.
Nope, never trusted the UCMJ and it's handlers, really.
anon 6:15am... you are a perfect example of how our educational system has failed....
To seek justice through the courts is the most fundamental tenets of democracy and what this country's democracy was founded upon. That you see it as sympathizing with terrorists shows me that you hate democracy and would be right at home in a dictatorship, as long as you agreed with the dictator.
I dunno about the stoning thing in Times Square, Field. Maybe they should set up a kissing booth contraption in Times Square instead.
Of course he would be getting kises from people who visit. And of course none of the visitors would have to pay to kiss him either.
Instead, maybe they could pay people to visit the booth and waterboard the bastard. I mean what difference does it make? Our tax dollars were used to do the same thing, right?
Yep, I get the feeling that the good folks over at Radio Rwanda wouldn't mind something like that. I mean after all: why kill the guy or take him to trial and worry about him getting off when you can just torture him for the rest of his life...?
BTW: Your word verification says INARKIST...anarchist? What you got goin on up in here Field? You know Obama reads this stuff, right? What? You trynna get deported like Lou Dobbs?!!
Apparently KSM was already tortured when he was held at the Bagram air base in Afghanistan.
Hey Field, KSM didn't kill any of YOUR people, cause y'all were home watchin BET, you're so into quotas, check out how many Niggers (Field/House)that Hasan faggot wasted in Texas, I'll save you the Google click, ZERO, do a little "Thought Experiment" like Einstein used to figure out Relativity, I know its hard, since your race has difficulty with shoe laces, but pretend KSM is George C. Wallace, returned from the grave..
OK, that didn't really make sense, but BHO must be really confident about 2012 to pull this one off.
Or maybe the World's really gonna end in 2012, and he just doesn't give a shit.
And just curious, do you have one of those wild Sly and the Family Stone Fro's or shaved smooth like Issac Hayes in "Shaft"
Frank
Ernesto said...
P.S. I'd like to see a twofer with Dick Cheney swinging on the same rope as this dude.
I would like to see a threefer with you swinging on the same rope as this dude.
"Instead, maybe they could pay people to visit the booth and waterboard the bastard."
That's classic Rippa. :)
It's funny how pople like sarge, Cal Soldier and StillAPanther...believe in the rule of law. What do they all have in common? They all put their butts on the line for us by actually serving in the military. The wingnut chicken-hawks, on the other hand,are all screaming to put the guy down without a trial. Go figure.
I agree with Ernesto, I twofer with the bad shot Cheney would be nice. Of course, we would have to give him a trial first as well. I am sure he can afford a pretty good lawyer.
"Field, did you happen to see Glenn Beck on friday? man, he had a bunch of house negroes in his studio to complain about President Obama and his policies, it was unbelievable to me that a group of blacks would sit in a Fox studio and complain about another black man to Beck of all people."
Anon. please don't even get me started, I am trying to put that picture out of my mind.
I'm a veteran also. Pre- During- and Post- 9/11. I am very pleased that we are having a civilian trial. Courts martial for Hasan and the Cole attackers. Trial for 9/11.
The only risk of the accused escaping conviction rises from Bush's decision to torture said accused.
Frank...I feel sorry for you man, I hope Jah shows you the way out of Babylon soon. It looks so dreary and grim in there.
Outsidelookingin: WELL SAID!! I'm on the outside right along with you...and it isn't a pretty view, is it! LOL. I will flat out say that I am not "sympathetic" when it comes to countries that attack the US. That being said, we have thrown quite a bit of %#%&#$! around the world in our arrogance of believing that we are the ones destined to police it. In my humble opinion, we need to start realizing, as Americans, that these other countries have every right (as well as responsibility to their citizens) to respond to our aggression. Furthermore, if we're going to stand up and denounce attacks ON the US as being wrong, then we also need to tone down our pride and/or arrogance enough to denounce attacks BY the US as being wrong, too. (No disrespect meant to anyone in the military: my focus is on the policies.)
1 more thang: Keep on doing what you're doing, Field. Desperate people will make it their JOB to silence those with something worth saying....especially when people deem those sayings as news worth listening to! The fact that they find it NECESSARY to drop by to try and wreak havoc on you and your site is and will always be the biggest of compliments. Use their narrow view of the world, prejudices and anger well!! (Imagine that...years ago it was against the law to educate us Black folk...and now your mighty "pen" has got a few of the readers here on the defensive, backed in a virtual corner...trying to figure out how to take out that commanding "voice" of yours. Now that is priceless, my man!! LOL...). Stay blessed everybody...
i'd like to see what evidence was the result of his torture. my guess is zero %.
who is defending him and what is their defense?
Field,
McVeigh was an American citizen and there are still questions of his guilt.
This has nothing to do with President Obama or the two leading parties and it will turn into a circus.
These individuals claim no countries military. It should be a military tribunal open to the public. They didn't run into my car on I-25!
rainy
@rainywalker
Are you familiar with the book titled American Terrorist by Lou Michel and Dan Herbeck?
If you haven't already read it and even if you have please read it again to familiarize yourself more with Timothy McVeigh and his motives and his crime.
I grew up in Oklahoma City so I took this story very personally.
Respectfully,
Makaii
there are absolutely no question as to his guilt.
Yes FN there are some people who would be angry if he were found innocent, you say "maybe he is innocent". Same with the cops in the Sean Bell case. A lot of black folks would settle for nothing but a conviction regardless of the facts. It doesn't matter if they shot that guy 50 times- HE WAS DRAGGING SOMEONE ALONG THE ROAD. And that someone happened to be a cop. You can't say with a straight face that black folks don't also demand verdicts to go their way under threats. A few dozen times prominent African American's have warned of another "LA Riot" if a jury did not come to the conclusion they wanted in cases.
If the true purpose of the war in Afghanistan was to make sure No.1, multiple2's,3,4,5,6... were going to receive justice, then Afghanistan would not be compared to Viet Nam. This should be a different war. We will loose our Honor if we do not fight it, for we have lost our mission and the Islamist know it. There should be no nation building or foreign aid given to buy support from regions who have no interest. Destroying Al Queda is necessary.
@ Anon. 12:34
I saw portions of that show and couldn't believe my eyes.
If you have been reading Field for long, you may have heard him use the term "Drop Squad"; they will need a bigger van is all I'm saying. Check it out at Netflix.....and see what I mean.
Makaii
I really enjoy the idea of taking this guy out and shooting him - just think, how many costs and fear would be spared. But perhaps if with the unfortunate work of was and so-called justice he gets acquitted, I suppose, he will be killed right after he walks out the courtroom. Let's see. Lorne
R. Maldanado, thank you for your service.
Angie, thanks for the kind words.
Makaii, I didn't know you grew up in Okie. Wow, from Okie to Hawaii, that's impressive. :)
[quote]I am that the Justice Department made a decision to put the person on trial. I have a problem with the politicization when it should been a criminal case from the beginning.[/quote]
Though I strongly disagree with Ernesto and Henna's Place on this one and many others - I am forced to SHUT UP on this one and simply hope that the BEST ACLU ATTORNEY is brought forth to provide the best defense money can buy.
The most qualified attorney to defend the terrorists is now locked up in jail for aiding and abetting other terrorists.
FREE LYNNE STEWART!
FREE LYNNE STEWART!
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Let her out so she can be the Criminal Defense Attorney fighting against the Obama Administration's prosecution of terrorists.
I bet Filled Negro has an autographed copy of his role model defense attorney on his wall.
http://www.4strugglemag.org/images/Lynne-Stewart-011.jpg
Civil Rights Attorney Convicted In Terror Trial:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/10/terror.trial.lawyer/
http://www.meforum.org/887/lynne-stewart-jihadi-lawyer
[quote]I don't know what the wingnuts have to fear, unless they are worried that they have the wrong guy. Our judicial system should be a model for the world to follow. The guilty are punished, the innocent are exonerated and justice is served. At least, that is the way it is supposed to work.[/quote]
Gregory - the key concept that you appear to be clueless about is the fact that YOU CAN'T BRING EVERY TERRORIST AROUND THE WORLD TO THE USA FOR A TRIAL.
The need is to have their home nations prevent INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS from conducting INTERNATIONAL ACTS OF WAR!!!!
Unfortunately left wing theory requires someone who GIVES A DAMN ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK in order for it to draw upon their sensibilities.
It is amazing that the same people who reject school vouchers because it does not address the needs for all have mentally masturbated themselves to believe that the destination of A TRIAL BY JURY IN THE USA is the solution for those who have committed acts of war against the United States.
THIS is why I hope that the most LEFTIST defense attorney is found in order make this into a show trial.
As a matter of fact why not allow the criminal defendants to defend themselves and then put the USA ON TRIAL. (Isn't this what some of you want? Abbey Hoffman and crew put the US Justice System On Trial during their trial).
[quote]The only risk of the accused escaping conviction rises from Bush's decision to torture said accused.[/quote]
R. Maldonado:
KSM is a TORTURE VICTIM that is in the best shape that I have ever seen a torture victim result in.
I HOPE AND PRAY that a "Jury of his Peer" straight from the leftist population of NEW YORK CITY do send a message to EVIL GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY and find him INNOCENT because of what happened AFTER THE FACT.
This would be the best case of "Justice Thurgood Marshall Justice" that I have ever documented then. This is where a ASSAILANT is made into the VICTIM of the criminal justice system after the fact.
Please do let him off on such a technicality.
This would insure a purge of the leftists from power in this nation......well except in Yeadon PA.
co sign with ernesto..
Field mane,
Mark Todd... Unrelated to the post but I gotta ask..
The fields want to know why do you think the caucasian lady (who WAS no less a hero)propped up in the media over mr. Todd who was the one who took the shooter down, arrested, and detained him.
The media LOVES nothing more than smearing black culture, black people DAILY but will also go to great lengths to cover up just ONE praiseworthy thing black people do in this society everyday.
(Like ol'sista girl up in Boston who stopped a train moments before it killed a woman who fell onto the tracks)
Anyway, given the history of Fort Hood being segregated during WWII at the embryonic stage of military intergration, Its quite ironic and funny how things stay the same after so much change.
Wingnuts? Wingnuts on the left and wingnuts on the right. Do the bolt threads go both ways. Your government has lied untold times, put down blacks, women, put American citizens behind barbed wire, did experiments on soldiers, blacks and sprayed bacteria on several cities. They have outright taken land from millions of citizens when they want to and made us slaves with government handouts. They have raped, raped the American people and yet you love them. Wake up!
rainy
fn:
i am FAR less concerned with where they are tried than i am with all the millions of people ignoring the fact that obama/gwb 2.0 LIED about freeing any of them!!!
obama/gwb 2.0 will be sentencing all of them HARDER AND LONGER than gwb
obama/gwb 2.0 is a hoax and a hypocrite who makes me prouder each day that i voted for hillary!!!!!!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/04/graham-obama-screwed-closing-gitmo/
Makaii,
Yes I have read the book and many others. If you believe the US government and their lackies I can respect that. But remember to always question everything. The US government does not have a good track record of ever telling the truth in over 200 years. I love this country, but not government.
Thank you for your input it is important to us all. Thats how we learn with exchange.
rainy
well, I for one, do not want all the extra security and high alert status that this trial will bring to NY. sorry, i am just too tired of the high alert shit.
i think it's a big waste of time, and i do not want to hear about blindfolds, shackles or whatever else, it wears me out.
UnConn... Lynn Stewart is not in jail, and most likely never will be... and you should hope she never is.... And, the ACLU does not do criminal cases... they do civil cases.... and your rant about due process is just sad. Really, I know you say you want to be a lawyer, but stick to whatever it is you do because you would make a lousy lawyer.
You don't believe in the fundamental premise that everyone deserves a defense.... and that criminal defense lawyers serve a noble purpose to ensure that mandate is carried out.
You are no different from the earlier anonymous that does not believe in democracy.... Due process is a fundamental tenet of democracy..
As for people that think this guy could be found not guilty... that's a little hard when he has repeated over and over that he is. A trial is going to be more about the sentencing phase than innocence or guilt... and this guy WANTS to be put to death. Seems to me that having to serve out a life sentence in a maximum security prison is far more punishment than a swift death would ever be.. and it would deprive him of being a martyr.
"your rant about due process is just sad. Really, I know you say you want to be a lawyer, but stick to whatever it is you do because you would make a lousy lawyer." - Jody
@Jody: That was funny. But hey, you're talking to the guy who has a "FREE PLAXICO BURRIS" campaign on his page, and recently did a "FREE LIL' WAYNE" piece...Bwahahahahaha!!!
lac:
since i was about 6
i have read a min of 5 books a week
at 46 today
i still do
that is why my radio shows and columns have been filled with book lists for decades
we need MUCH more anger not less
in america....more anger about more relevant things than sports matches = real revolution!
fyi
these books do nothing to calm my RIGHTEOUS RAGE:
"To be conscious in America is to be in a constant state of rage..." -James Baldwin
i will never stop slaying haters herein/all over the net/everywhere i go etc:
"Our silence will never protect us." - Audre Lorde
(see more slayings cc'd here via
mareralllyablackbi-curiousfreakstalker...}
You pompous, lying slut.
WE DON'T BELIEVE YOU, YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE!!!
YOU ARE A PAIN IN THE ASS!!!
GET HELP ALICIA STANKS YOU NEED IT!!!
stacks'envystankslikehiswetanus:
got google????
what have YOU ever done but chop down
mareallytrollingforfecesreekingdlblack
studs?
stackshelpershereinandstillgetsslain:
YOU need BETTER help boi!
i slay you all solo always
and u all know so!!!!!!!
stackshismama'snamesasslurs:
the lies and the envy are all on YOU and your inept beaten down posse boi!!!
pompous = YOU & your pathetic and constant lies about my true greatness!!!
Constructive
There is no disagreement, this is the legal system we have. If you commit a crime and are accused of such crime, then we have the legal system and process to trial this case. This person should had a trial more six years ago. The longer the case linger more difficult it is to trial as witnesses' memories fad. There times when have to set aside your emotions. This is not about politics, but allowing the legal sysem we have to work.
@rainywalker
I'm glad you read the book and to my knowledge "the government" had nothing to do with the publication of it. They (the authors) were reporters who did the job of investigating, writing and got Tim McVeigh's signature giving them permission for essentially writing McVeigh's biography. I see no grand conspiracy regarding the arrest, investigation and conviction of McVeigh. By the way, I visited your website and enjoyed reading The Highwayman poem today, that too is one of my favorites.
Aloha from Makaii
[quote]UnConn... Lynn Stewart is not in jail, and most likely never will be... and you should hope she never is....[/quote]
My friend Jody - Lynne Steward was CONVICTED for passing messages on behalf of a terrorist agent. SHE is not in jail ONLY because her case in under appeal as her lawyers attempt to find some straw upon which to grasp. WHY should I "hope" that she is never jailed, in your view?
[quote] And, the ACLU does not do criminal cases... they do civil cases.... and your rant about due process is just sad. Really, I know you say you want to be a lawyer, but stick to whatever it is you do because you would make a lousy lawyer.[/quote]
Jody - I am not a lawyer. Never professed to be one. Never told you that I DESIRED to be one.
As I watch the antics of some lawyers - I am happy that I have chosen the professional career path that I am on.
The ACLU was heavily involved with the Gitmo and Abu Gharab situation. THEY are responsible for undercutting the attempts of the Federal Government to detain people and keep them off of the battle field DURING A TIME OF WAR without having them set foot on American soil. What better place to have a prison camp than in the prison camp nation of Cuba - despite their free health care and $27 per month wages?
You see Jody I am a fan of President Abe Lincoln- in the opening days of the Civil War when the Democratic Mayor of Baltimore MD was arrested (no not the present mayor of Baltimore today that is on trial - I am talking about the 1860's) for attempting to turn the state of MD into REVOLT against the Union LINCOLN WISELY SUSPENDED habeas corpus and locked his azz UP!!!
Lincoln reasoned that the very nation that PROVIDES H.C. is under threat for its very existence - at the time of war he needed to do what he must to save it.
I get the feeling that you are a "moral and intellectual superior person" Jody. Upon the occasion in which a shark that is protected by the Endangered Species Act has your body in his mouth at your knees and is moving up fast your "superiority" would have you to not KILL HIM with the harpoon gun in your hand because you do not want to run awry of the LAW.
OH how righteous you are JODY.
The sad part about your abstract theories Jody is that you live in a city that is under siege with people who DON'T GIVE A DAMN about YOUR STINK'IN LAWS. Just as soon as you might petition the court for his release this same person might cut your throat in a gesture of appreciation to you.
I am willing to give these foreign national THUGS about as much jurisprudence as YOU OR I are inclined to receive if we had been caught in their own nation executing bedlam.
[quote]
You don't believe in the fundamental premise that everyone deserves a defense.... and that criminal defense lawyers serve a noble purpose to ensure that mandate is carried out.[/quote]
I believe that the VICTIMS of the CRIMINALS before they became VICTIMS of the criminal assault DESERVED the due process that the CRIMINAL did not choose to extend to this person.
It would be grand to see you TEACH LAW to Street Pirates Jody. Tell them about all of the CIVIL RIGHTS that they are violating. Tell the about all of the LAWS that they are violating. Tell them that our nation is built upon DUE PROCESS Jody.
I am less concerned about your ability to lobby the SYSTEM so that it will act right. I am VERY concerned about your ability to get Thug Street Pirates and their International Terrorist Cousins to GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK!! These are the people your THEORIES don't fly with.
Constructive Feedback has never served. He's too certain to be anything other than a chicken-hawk. I can smell a hawk even through the net.
You want to kill terrorists? Then go sign up for the 11- series, do your little five hops on friar DZ, get squared at RIP, and then put your time in as a batboy. Then you can see all the killing you want...First hand too!
humm i would rather stone all the so called amerikka leadership that lead to his existence and desire for blowback... first!
One should always first question the reaction within its historical tenet to see if it is justify. i can think of a whole lot of peoples and races who would in hindsight if they knew their histories well and were passionate about correcting the injustices may have been poised to do something in a similar vein..
was harriet tubman a terrorist or a freedom fighter...whose definition and whose lives... are some more valued than others? why is Libermann, et al. painting a Palestian kid who clearly states he does not wish to go fight and kill his Muslim brothers as a terrorist because he loses and kills 12 or 13 but sending drones into Afghan or Pakistani wedding parties and rocketing to death tens to hundreds..is not media hyped as terrorist? you let your nations military go and invade soveign nations and murder their leadership under the guise of "freedom" but havent even achieve that with your own citizenry... whose definition and whose lives? and how much value is yours versus another being...
I'll tell ya... all bones when you are dead and both bleed blood.. white blood aint no more valued than muslim, asian, black, arab or jew... but an equation that is always shifting to being out of balance shall always find a way back to equilibrium.
maybe these acts are just like stock market corrections...drops in the bucket before it overflows into nuclear armageddon
I don't think he should be put to death, it would turn the turd into a "martyr".Let him rot in solitary confinement for the rest of his life, allowed a shower every six weeks, a pail for a toilet, and a Bible for some brisk reading.
Human rights are for Humans. Persons with extreme religious or ideological views that perpetuate and condone violence *cough* republicans *cough* are not humans.
It is amusing to hear Peter King of New York comment on terrorism. Consider his long time support for the IRA, one of the Western world's most vicious terrorist organisations that killed civilians (including women and children) over decades in the UK and further afield.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King#Support_of_the_IRA
The problem is that, for some Americans in search of a cause (preferrably far away from home), any atrocities committed on non-Americans can be justified in terms of 'fighting for freedom' or what have you, whereas any reflection at all on why Americans may become targets is simply seen as pandering to terrorists.
All terrorism is wrong, including the kind that politicians like King have supported. I wonder what chance anyone having supported a Muslim terrorist group would have of becoming elected to the US Congress?
What about the terrorists that allow foreign countries to pay US representatives? What about the coup d'etat on the US treasury and the subsequent taxes that Americans black and white will have to bear. It looks like they got the wrong terrorist.
The moment Alicia Banks mentioned radio shows was the moment I knew she wasn't worth listening to. She's just another Michael Savage and Laura Ingraham.
To the point at hand, I'm sure KO would find some left-leaning black folk to back him up if he pulling a "beck" if you will. Depending on how bad the Powell administration would be run (which I doubt highly), you would be backing him up. Just because people are the same race/ethnicity as you doesn't mean they're on the same side as you, Field. Being from Jamaica, you of all people should be aware of that. Fox newsie, teabagging, self-hating black conservatives lose their Black Power privileges and thus deserve any and all names (including N-bombs) thrown at them. So fire away, Gump! They're no longer one of 'ours'.
Black Conservatives who cuddle up to Faux Noise and kiss ass, beware. Remember Marc Hill? Some angry white guy showed up at a shareholder's meeting, complained about something he said, and Murdoch fired him. So much for the vaunted "first amendment", huh? And did his "non-racist" coworkers like O'Reilly or Hannity help him out? Nope. Remember that conservatives are never your friends. Never.
President Obama knows that there is nothing wrong with trying terrorists within the American mainland.
What is so special about America that you all can't try terrorists within your precious country?
The British have tried their terrorists (IRA members) in England. Canadians tried their terrorists (militant Quebecois Separatists) in Canada. The Spanish have tried their terrorists (Basque Separatists) in Spain.
Why can't Americans do the same? What do you think is going to happen? The terrorists will turn into ghosts and vaporize through court walls? Please!!
"It is amusing to hear Peter King of New York comment on terrorism. Consider his long time support for the IRA, one of the Western world's most vicious terrorist organisations that killed civilians (including women and children) over decades in the UK and further afield."
DING DING DING DING...
"The British have tried their terrorists (IRA members) in England. Canadians tried their terrorists (militant Quebecois Separatists) in Canada. The Spanish have tried their terrorists (Basque Separatists) in Spain."
DING DING DING DING....
So the [un]constructive one reverts to Abe Lincoln. How predictable.
"Human rights are for Humans. Persons with extreme religious or ideological views that perpetuate and condone violence *cough* republicans *cough* are not humans."
John Crow, I am feeling that statement.
Field:
Everyone misses the point here...KSM is guilty, and will be found guilty...he'll probably demand to testify and admit guilt in open court. His alleged torture did not lead to any evidence against him, and would be suppressed in any event , but is of no consequence. As you doubtless know, the toughest judges and best prosecutors in this Country are in the S.D.N.Y. Neither Barry nor Holder are stupid...they know he'll fry... that's why they're making this such a showcase. Watch: it's the guys from GITMO they don't have much evidence against (@10-15 of 'em) that they will try & fry in private Military tribunals. The high profilers such as KSM will all be put on public display.Just watch...
Usually FN I'm down with what you have to say, but agreeing with the powers that be, by saying that KSM shouldn't be tried in Federal court is about as House as it gets.
In case you forgot, there has been many so called terrorists that has been tried in federal court and nothing happened. Doesn't Shiek Abdel Rahman, Zacarias Moussaoui and Jose Padilla ring a bell? Well, I'll just chalk it up to a one time slip.
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