Friday, September 09, 2011

Together again?

"What's natural and right is to go with the energy of how it all has to work together. What's natural and right is interconnectedness, not individualism. What is natural and right is respect for the system, not killing the system. What's natural and right is love."
~Susan Powter~
We are two days away from the tenth anniversary of September 11, 2001, and A-merry-cans, once again, are getting introspective. It's a nice time to reflect on who we are and why we are here. Those of us who lived through it are glad to be alive, and others are wondering how it has affected our collective psyche.

That experience didn't change us that much, in fact, it might have made us worse. We live in greater fear of others, and our prejudice and ignorance towards others seems to manifest itself in even more impenitent ways.

But this type of behavior is encouraged by the right, because the right embraces and celebrates the individual and not the collective. The individual only cares about himself, and not the community to which he belongs. Which is actually kind of sad. Having natural and inalienable rights is great. But without the legal constraints and laws set up by society as a whole, anarchy will rule the day. The irony is, of course, that these very people on the right who claim to embrace individualism, are the ones who will trample all over our basic human rights without even thinking about it.

I read a wonderful article in my local paper, and I want to share it with you:

"Lately there's been much reading of old but relevant documents, like the Constitution. For my part, I've been reading old but relevant books.
One is The Social Contract by Jean-Jacques Rousseau. His 18th-century writings helped inspire the French Revolution and probably the American Revolution. In this small book he uses a familiar term later picked up in our Declaration of Independence: "unalienable rights."

Until recently, I thought unalienable rights were ones that could not be taken away. But from Rousseau I learned they actually are rights that cannot be given away.

That's quite a difference. Rousseau believed people have a tendency to relinquish their freedom, but that under God they lack the moral authority to do so.
In many ways, Rousseau was instructing us on how to avoid the sad situation we now face.

The Social Contract says all government is an agreement among people, and that these agreements require that some rights be given up - but not unalienable ones.

Rousseau notes that prior to government, humans were totally free under natural law. A person could murder another without legal or moral consequence, just as a fox can kill a rabbit. Realizing civilization could not advance this way, our species formed social contracts as a way to control the bad and increase the good.

In these contracts, we surrender individual freedom for the betterment of the whole. We agree not to commit murder, for example, and to be governed by a law punishing us if we do. As Rousseau put it, the "individual will" is replaced by the "general will," which benefits all.

The Social Contract tells us how to create the ideal state while acknowledging that even a perfect state erodes. "The body politics, no less than the body of a man, begins to die as soon as it is born, and bears within itself the causes of its own destruction," he wrote.

Washington, these days, drives home this point.
Rousseau says the biggest threat comes when the government created by and for the "general will" starts to govern on behalf of the "particular will." In America, the particular will is better known as special interests.

Rousseau contends that when special interests - like Wall Street or the National Rifle Association - become too strong, "contradictions and disputes arise; and even the best opinion is not allowed to prevail unchallenged."
In the end, the general will is silenced and citizens act only on behalf of personal motives. Inequitable laws are passed and it becomes time to remake the social contract and the state.

While it could be argued that what's good for General Motors is good for America, few could argue that our government is well run. It lacks direction, is absent of a unified mission, has caused a shameful decline in our world prestige and has eviscerated our once-mighty economy.

Rousseau would call ours a failed state. Sadly, his large-scale solutions are wise but not practical.

An easier fix can be found in the simple truth of another great theorist and philosopher. Erasmus, the Dutch Renaissance humanist, once told a young monarch: "Whenever kings invite wisdom to their councils and cast out those evil counselors - ambition, anger, greed, and flattery - The Commonwealth flourishes in every way."

This one sentence is a great start to making things right for America. We have elections here, so let the casting out begin. To not do so is like giving away an unalienable right - which at least one great man said we have absolutely no right to do. [Source]

I am glad we are reflecting about September 11th again. Maybe we should change the next election day to September 11, 2012.

       

79 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why is the problem the 'government'? I've heard this silly nonsense from Goobers since before the B-actor was Abilify-ed to st reagan. It is OUR government. We all decide...not just Cantor, not just Vitter, not just TaxBagger astroturfers for Koch-sucking.

We set up a compact for social living. It is just too bad...so sad that 15 yo boys have to curb their impulses...or face consequences. We like not having Mexico Norte'. We like knowing that bankers face prison for being dishonest. We like workplace safety. We like having medical care in our elder years. We like a retirement that can't be stolen to inflate profits. We like our government kept free of pernicious religious litmus tests. We like unionized Civil Service employees...as they won't put the Kochs at the head of the DMV line. Billionaires will have to wait...like everyone else.

People prefer fair. Wingnut Cons prefer inherited privilege...not the same.

Amazing that what is good for kindergarten children...and their underpaid teachers...is good for us all.

Mold

Desertflower said...

I don't delve much into politics. Sorta given up on that. "Everything changes and everything stays the same" just about says it for me.

What I do know is that since September 11, my favorite craft store Micheals left the island. I still miss it! The economy went sour, many stores and mom and pop businesses tanked. And everything started going downhill from there. :(

McMugger said...

"But this type of behavior is encouraged by the right, because the right embraces and celebrates the individual and not the collective. The individual only cares about himself, and not the community to which he belongs. Which is actually kind of sad. Having natural and inalienable rights is great. But without the legal constraints and laws set up by society as a whole, anarchy will rule the day. The irony is, of course, that these very people on the right who claim to embrace individualism, are the ones who will trample all over our basic human rights without even thinking about it."
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So many misconceptions in so few words, where does one start?

The right celebrates individual freedom and enlightened self interest, which is something entirely different than greed.

The insistence on the sanctitity of natural and inalienable rights for oneself implicity includes the protection of such rights for everyone. It is these principles that eventually lead to the elimination of slavery and the success of the civil rights movement.

Legal constraints and laws are only just so far as they do not infringe on anyones natural and inalienable rights.

And as far as trampling on our basic human rights, name one initiative on the right that seeks to limit anyone's natural rights.(And not the abortion issue, which is a matter of dispute as to when human rights are conferred, at conception or at birth).

Liberals are like hemroids said...

Its hard to embrace and celebrate the collective when part of the collective{blacks}hate and want to kill you.


"We like unionized Civil Service employees."

Mold

Who are "we"?Please list namres and how you know.

Edmund said...

Mold.."Billionaires will have to wait...like everyone else."

Better that everyone be miserable than someone have more.

Liberalism in a nutshell.

Anonymous said...

"I am glad we are reflecting about September 11th again. Maybe we should change the next election day to September 11, 2012."

hmmm. would that encourage our folks to go out and vote? I don't think so. There is no special date that could do that.

field negro said...

"And as far as trampling on our basic human rights, name one initiative on the right that seeks to limit anyone's natural rights.(And not the abortion issue, which is a matter of dispute as to when human rights are conferred, at conception or at birth)."

Hmmm,let me see now; Prop 8 in California comes to mind. Scott Walker and his assault on workers in Packers country. And let's not even talk about your fight against civil rights. That would be an all nighter.

Anonymous said...

Field, "Hmmm,let me see now; Prop 8 in California comes to mind."

Prop 8 won because Blacks voted for it in record numbers. Remember? Prop 8 would have been defeated if black race hadn't supported it.

The white gays are still calling us a bunch of N-words-- not that they ever stopped.

Tupac Back said...

[Tupac Shakur - recorded from 1994 interview]
I'm already convicted. My whole life has been turned around
I lost every job, I lost everything, every opportunity I can get
Can't get- buy cars, can't get rent, can't get none of that
But I'm still a survivor, y'know. I'm still coming to court
Still smiling, still signing autographs, but soon I'ma go crazy!
You know what I'm sayin? And it's up to the world, y'know
America eats its babies, we- I'm, no matter what y'all think about me
I'm still your child, you know what I'm sayin?
You can't just turn me off like that

Sophia said...

Rousseau also made one of the most radical statements in the history of political philosophy, that is that the purpose of government is to grant to the wealthy title to their possessions.

McMugger said...

"Hmmm,let me see now; Prop 8 in California comes to mind. Scott Walker and his assault on workers in Packers country. And let's not even talk about your fight against civil rights."
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Explain how having the government sanction your relationship is a natural right?

In what was way has Scott Walker's attempts to make state employees contribute more to their health insurance been an infingement on any rights they have?

And just who, pray tell, is fighting against civil rights?

America said...

America eats its babies.

Powerful.

McMugger said...

Sophia said...
Rousseau also made one of the most radical statements in the history of political philosophy, that is that the purpose of government is to grant to the wealthy title to their possessions.
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Leaving aside Rousseau's tangle of contradictions, determining ownership of property is essential to removing incentives to violence.

Perhaps you should try a little formalism:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/04/formalist-manifesto-originally-posted.html

"Good" For Philly said...

You guys in Philly are slacking-off. Only 216 murders this year, and it's the 252nd day of the year?

Maybe Nutter has been having an effect.

field negro said...

"Rousseau also made one of the most radical statements in the history of political philosophy, that is that the purpose of government is to grant to the wealthy title to their possessions."

What's so radical about that?

"Leaving aside Rousseau's tangle of contradictions, determining ownership of property is essential to removing incentives to violence.

Perhaps you should try a little formalism:"

I like "formalist" art, that's about it.

Anonymous said...

Rottnkid said...

"kuntbreaf" - Really? Sooo...why you doing the same thing? You "proved " your point. Get over it.

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Satan said...

America said...
America eats its babies.

Powerful.
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And tasty!

mellaneous said...

Field you got deep but keep in mind Rousseau was advocating on behalf of the bourgeoisie, which would be the new ruling class.

His words sound good but in the end he supported the rights of the rulers over the ruled.

@Edmond- why is it so hard to envision a world in which everyone has enough of what they need. Your assertion that folks want everyone to be miserable is a dishonest cover-up for the fact that you think that covetousness and greed is good. And of course we have more than enough proof that this is not good.

Edmund said...

Who is more covetous, someone who by hard work and smarts accummulates a fortune, employs a large number of people, and gives a bit to charity, or someone like you who wants take that wealth?

field negro said...

Mel. you have to mine for gem stones wherever you can get them. :)

Francis L. Holland said...

I don't think the term "special interests" has added anything useful to our national dialogue. Among the "special interests" are women, who comprise 53% of our country. Should we ignore or fight against women just because they have some interests that are distinct from the interests of men?

You know who never gets called a "special interest"? White men. They comprise about 27% of the nation, but they are about 75% of the US Congress.

Rich white men were the first "special interest group" in the United States of America, which explains the facts that neither Blacks nor women could vote under the Constitution and laws crafted by and for this special interest--white men.

Ronald Reagan used the term "special interests" to mean 'everyone who is clamoring for equality and who, when combined, actually comprise about 70% of the nation.'

The term "special interests" was just a new epithet to be hurled by white men at groups such as women, Blacks, Latinos, gays, the disabled, and all others who had been ignored, subjugated and exploited since before the founding of the nation.

The real special interest group is white men, who are only 30% of the country but historically arrogated all decisions unto themselves, for the benefit of themselves.

As for September 11th, there was an online game called "Twin Towers," in which the object of the game was for players to shoot down all of the incoming planes before they hit the towers.

The catch was that, while initially it was easy to shoot down one or two planes, the planes eventually started coming in at an ever increasing rate that eventually made it impossible to shoot down all of the incoming planes down and defend the Twin Towers. The incoming planes always won and the defense of the Towers always lost.

Some people played this game and found it to be hilarious.

Anonymous said...

field negro said...
Mel. you have to mine for gem stones wherever you can get them. :)
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The French revolution alone should have shown Rousseau's theory that sweeping away the old corrupt institutions would inaugurate a return to the Edenic state was a fraud. Still, the same sort of people who pinned their hopes on the Jacobins later pinned them on the Bolsheviks, and on Mao Tse-tung; and they still think Castro's Cuba is a promising experiment, if not a proved one (cf. Michael Moore).

Harley said...

Francis L. Holland said...
"Should we ignore or fight against women just because they have some interests that are distinct from the interests of men?"


Ignoring them would be preferred.

mellaneous said...

@Field - good one, you are right the ideas of govt by and for the people are still good ones esp when applied to all of us (not rich folks)

@Edmond said:
"Who is more covetous, someone who by hard work and smarts accummulates a fortune, employs a large number of people, and gives a bit to charity, or someone like you who wants take that wealth?"


Calm down Edmond, its likely you are as poor as most defenders of rich folks.

Slow your roll we are having a philosophical conversation. I am not the covetous one, remember I am the one who advocates for that which is fair.

I don't want anything from anyone, and I definitely don't want to take from others so I can enrich myself and then put my philosophers to work denigrating the folks I ripped off.I have done alright in my life.

There is another saying about mass wealth that you should aprise yourself of and that is, "behind every great fortune is a great crime."

But I understand if you want to believe that the bosses don't take more than their fair share of laborers work or labor. And there is nothing exceptional about your pretending that the rich have a divine right to exploit the poor.

In fact your position makes you quite unexceptional!

Its what you are supposed to believe.

I am just throwing out the idea that it wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have a need for charity but poor folks the world over would have a fair shot at just having a roof over their heads, full bellies, a chance for real literacy, health care and freedom from class oppression.

just a thought

Wesley R said...

Field,

I missed the post last night because of work but it was on point as I read it today.
Mrs. Obama was looking like to her husband before the speech "ok. negro, you better get it together", and he did. It was a great speech, but as I see it, if they want to get rid of the deficit and get jobs here's what you do to start; If you want to get rid of the deficit quit, fast and in a hurry, do a 1% consumpion or whatever you want to call it, tax on all business transctions done in this country. You can wipe out the deficit in a couple of years. Once that happens get rid of all federal taxes and use the consumpion tax as the revenue to fund the govenment. Short term, cut a deal with the counties who have money oversees. If they want to bring their money back to this country, cut a deal to where they can be 'taxed' and that money can go to the infrastructure bank. In other words the corporations not the government fund the jobs program. You are talking about 100's of billions of dollars. Last, a executive order, the US Government has to buy all of it's products, from paper to bullets fron American Companies. Just think of how many jobs that would be. I understand China does this now and if there isn't a company who can provide a service, their government helps companies get started in that area.

Edmund said...

"There is another saying about mass wealth that you should aprise yourself of and that is, "behind every great fortune is a great crime."
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So the mere ownership of wealth is evidence of guilt? Should we hang Bill Gates tonight, or wait until the morning?

There are laws regarding the misappropriation of property, and any of those whose wealth is ill-gotten should face justice. Bring your evidence as you have it. Failing that, you have no claim on your neighbor's fortune.

mellaneous said...

Anon said:

"The French revolution alone should have shown Rousseau's theory that sweeping away the old corrupt institutions would inaugurate a return to the Edenic state was a fraud. Still, the same sort of people who pinned their hopes on the Jacobins later pinned them on the Bolsheviks, and on Mao Tse-tung; and they still think Castro's Cuba is a promising experiment, if not a proved one (cf. Michael Moore)."

Interesting point, but to be fair to Rousseau he never talked about his ideas as utopian or that the new society would be a panacea.

The problem you are alluding to is trying to create new societies with the values of the old. And the other problem is the desire for revenge and retribution by the formerly vanquished. It happens in every revolution.

So clearly there has to be an internal change and a revolution of values.

But beware of overstating the case, the poor peasants of Russia saw oppression as oppression and were willing to take a chance on something new. My point is they were cathching hell anyway so the at least promised some relief.

And ask an Afro Cuban if he/she prefered life under Batista or under the revolution. They will tell you with all its warts society since 1959 is qualitatively and quantatively better than the Jim Crow old days.

Its like the slave when asked where he was running to answered "I don't know. Anything is better than here"

Anonymous said...

Mellaneous, you sound like a Universalist. The original theological meaning of universalism was that, at the end of days, no one would be damned - everyone would be saved. This belief was closely associated with early unitarianism, for example that of the Socinians. Universalism is a way of denying that "in Adam's fall/we sinned all." If there was no original sin, there is no need for a Savior, hence unitarianism.

If not by original sin, how, then, are we to explain the moral failings of humanity? If, in a state of nature, man is naturally good, the reason must be (as Rousseau suggested) that the institutions of society are to blame. Get rid of them, and man's inherent goodness will flourish.

The concept of the noble savage and of the corrupting influence of civilization is made much easier to accept by our intimate acquaintance with all the failings of our own social institutions, and our comparative ignorance of those of others. It is easy to see primitive societies as innocent, first because the wish is father to the thought, and secondly, because we don't know that much about them.

The degree to which this view has persisted since the time of Rousseau, despite all the evidence to the contrary, shows the depth of the Universalist faith.

mellaneous said...

@Anon- Ah that's not what we were talking about. I don't think Rousseau was suggesting that primitive society was inherently good.

The original sin question has nothing to do with the fact that in class society the rich find a way to apporpriate a much of the wealth as possible and take the surplus that society and workers produce.

If you think I am exagerating where did the money for the bank bailouts come from? The community pot that we all pay into, that's where. Since their folks are in power they decide to give them money which by the way they surely did not earn.

The rich also use their wealth to create distracting philosophical arguments that have even infiltrated the church.

The same church that worships "mammon" and not God.

mellaneous said...

@anon don't try to put everyone in that "moral failings" bag. Those who have come up short morally are those who have divided us by class and race and sex in order to better exploit.

Those who run systems that have decided who should live and who should die for the purposes of making profit and gaining power are the ones who are the source of real evil in the world.

I don't think a just God is going to judge the slave in the same way that she judges the slavemaster.

Why Do Black Folks Like European Radicals? said...

Perhaps I'm not understanding. Everyone keeps talking about Rousseau, one of ther architects of the French Revolution of the early 1800's.

The age where the guillotine chopped over 1,800 heads, I believe. INCLUDING some of the major leaders of the French Revolution. The Nazis's werer no better, just more efficient.

Is that what you want??

Comrade Clay said...

Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Quote


"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."

Rousseau was a disciplel on Lenin.

If there had been a pogram(s) against blacks in revolutionray Russia, you would not exist........

Be glad Russia was a back-water country, had no Naval ability to speak of, and didn't grow cotton.

Hell, they could barely grow potatoes, and the ones they did, turned them into vodka.

GetoutOfmypockets said...

One of the sharpest critics [of the invention of the automobile] was the president of Princeton University, Woodrow Wilson. In 1906, seven years before he moved into the White House as president of the United States, Wilson declared that cars were “a picture of the arrogance of wealth” and that “nothing spread socialistic feeling in this country more than the use of the automobile.”

I get it: Wilson hated the competition.

Sounds Like Mellaneous.

Comrade Clay said...

Wilson was a turd, an appeaser, as I'm sure you know.

Did somr recent posts get deleted?

Hypocrites of a Feather said...

Did we have "business" shipping war munitions & food to Germany?

Hell, Germany even put out a notice not to try & block their blockade, as the British Royal Navy was doing to them.

If I was German, I would have sunk the Lusitana too. It WAS carrying munitions to the UK.

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Comrade Clay

"
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Quote

"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them."


Lenin never said that, it's a quote from Friederich Engles, taken from the Communist Party manifesto.

"Rousseau was a disciplel on Lenin."

Not sure what a 'disciplel' is, but if you are Dutch and you meant the English 'disciple' you are dead wrong. Rousseau was born 102 years before Lenin, and Lenin was not majorly influenced by Rousseau.

Je lult gewoon uit je nek.

field negro said...

What a great thread and discussion! I miss that type of discourse. (No wingnut screaming that Obama caused cancer.)

"So the mere ownership of wealth is evidence of guilt? Should we hang Bill Gates tonight, or wait until the morning?"

No no no. See what Mell said. No one wants Bill Gate's wealth nor do we blame him for making his vast amount of money and contributing to society.

But we would like everyone with ideas and the work ethic to have an equal shot at acquiring wealth. We don't want that "special interest" group that Francis is talking about to rig the game.

That's all.

Anonymous said...

Consumption tax? How does that apply to wealthy who can have everything imported?
Umm...before making stuff up about Russia....maybe you could, like, research. You remind me of the heroic brave wingnuts who giggled boyishly about 'the uglee Russkie wimmens'. You are not an expert if all you do is repeat wingnut beleefs.
Perhaps one might, like, travel to Russia. Or, like, actually research before bloviating.

I would like to point out that many women taken by Natives...preferred to remain. Now, why is that? And Rosseau was known to be glossing his theme...and you can find the comments.

So, according to a 'expert'...taxes are stealing from a rich person...but are essential to impose on others. That taxes should never, ever be used for public goods...unless rich dude agrees. That rich dude can claim all benefit from a business...and the workers should pay him for the privilege of being slaves.
Sounds like pudgy, pasty wingnut Con weeping that poor people should not vote...as they might -gasp- keep Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. How eveel! Deferring income for retirement...and having Universal is the 'exact same' as Dead Peasant Insurance...or pilfering pensions...or shipping jobs overseas to break unions.

Mold

NSangoma said...

This was the inspiration for the American Revolution:
The Royal Proclamation of 1763
GREED

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joe biden said...

The spread of video cameras is proving to be bad news for blacks.

Cowardly last shot
Triggerman in B’klyn gunfight video

By BILL SANDERSON and IKIMULISA LIVINGSTON

September 10, 2011

This horrifying surveillance-video image shows a Brooklyn thug fatally shooting a fleeing man in the back of the neck -- moments before cops arrived and a gun battle began that left an innocent bystander dead.

The footage, released yesterday by the NYPD, shows the flash of a 9 mm Ruger handgun wielded by career criminal Leroy Webster, 32, as he fired from the door of his home on Park Place near Franklin Avenue in Crown Heights Monday night.

Webster’s shots set in motion a chain of events that led the death of neighbor Denise Gay, who was caught in the fire fight that ensued when officers went to arrest him. Eusi Johnson, 29, the man shot in the neck, died from his wounds.

It’s possible Gay, 56, was killed by a police bullet. The round that killed her is consistent with those fired by officers’ Glocks and does not match shots fired by Webster, police said.

Cops added it’s not possible to test the cops’ guns to determine which one fired the deadly bullet.

None of the officers is seen on the video, but it clearly shows Webster not only taking cowardly shots at the fleeing men, none of whom appeared to be armed, but aiming at others out of the camera’s view.

The video begins with the pixelated images of three men running from Webster’s house, with him in close pursuit.

Webster gets off one shot from his stoop as the men run off into the night.

One of the trio, Johnson, was struck in the neck as he fled. He kept running despite the wound that eventually killed him.

After firing his Ruger, Webster runs down to the sidewalk, turns and dashes back to his house.

Although the officers are not visible, lights flash against the walls of the house, as if emergency vehicles are nearby.

Webster comes to the door again and aims his weapon.

Then a bullet fired from the street slams the concrete doorjamb, making a plume of dust.

Another bullet takes down Webster. But even after the thug falls, he raises his gun, aiming at the officers.

Gay’s brother, Les Gay Jr., declined to comment yesterday about the video, saying he has avoided the news on the tragedy.

Webster is charged with second-degree murder and attempted murder.

Two cops suffered non-life-threatening wounds.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/cowardly_last_shot_6tC685GnxJTSNdk0fyLV9H#ixzz1XYU6pYVQ

Anonymous said...

Consumption tax? How does that apply to wealthy who can have everything imported?


Mold


You tell us mold.You have made claims about your wealth.

joe biden said...

field shows his limited intellectual grasp:

Rousseau contends that when special interests - like Wall Street or the National Rifle Association - become too strong, "contradictions and disputes arise; and even the best opinion is not allowed to prevail unchallenged."

You lack the capacity to see beyond the surface, wildly evident in your "racism is everywhere" hysteria.

Meanwhile, based on your posting above, you believe that a dictatorship is the answer.

In the end, the general will is silenced and citizens act only on behalf of personal motives.

Obviously Rousseau was wrong about the nature of a General Will in a nation populated by varied groups that bring together every Group General Will existing in the world.

Moreover, no Will is silenced. Not in this country. Nor can it be. More importantly for your half-baked argument is the answer to the question of how you would define the General Will in America.

Inequitable laws are passed and it becomes time to remake the social contract and the state.

IN short, in your Equitable World, most human characteristics would be outlawed. Of course it's impossible to define the human characteristics that you consider to be the enemies of the state.

Greed? You simply cannot define it. Sloth? Good luck.

Fran / Blue Gal said...

Just a thanks for making mine your "blog I am feeling." Very much appreciated and I'm honored.

field negro said...

"You lack the capacity to see beyond the surface, wildly evident in your "racism is everywhere" hysteria."

And you lack the capacity to see quotation marks.

Carry on, dope!

Leave it to a wingnut to come along and ruin my day. :)

Why don't you take a walk around that beautiful Brooklyn neighborhood of yours and smell the roses in the flower baskets and boxes outside?

Just stay away from parked trucks and you should be fine.


"IN short, in your Equitable World, most human characteristics would be outlawed. Of course it's impossible to define the human characteristics that you consider to be the enemies of the state."

Yours would be my exhibit A.

field negro said...

No prob. Blue Gal, you do good work. Sorry about the wingnut trolls that might be sure to follow. Just fumigate your place and lock the doors when they leave and you should be fine.

Unfortunately I can't do the same as my joint is built on the Jamaican model with lots of open spaces and entrances. :)

Anonymous said...

The congressional CBC representing Fields vision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVnJkzHuCJk&feature=player_embedded#!

Anonymous said...

The sad reality of life is that not all good ideas end up easily implemented, and sometimes ideas you thought were good turn out to be not so good once they reach the light of day. The sad reality is that over 90% of companies started to produce something innovative here in the Silicon Valley fail. That's just how it works, not every idea works out. Even when ideas do work out, it may not be possible to sell the result for enough money to keep you in business -- I have, alas, worked for several companies that had great products but couldn't figure out how to make enough money from them to cover costs thus went out of business.

In the case of Solyndra, they thought they had an innovative way to increase the amount of energy obtained from solar panels. They found a bunch of backers, created product, and sold thousands of their solar modules. Unfortunately two things happened that utterly destroyed their business model: 1) New silicon wafer foundries came online, making flat solar panels ridiculously cheap even when built in America (and most solar panels sold here in America *are* built here in America, for the same reason that most cars sold here in America are built here -- because they're bulky and fragile and breakage on the long overseas voyage would kill you thus it's not cost-effective to ship them from overseas), and 2) scientists figured out ways to make silicon solar panels produce almost as much power as Solyndra's more expensive copper-gallium panels, thus eliminating most of their power advantage. Solyndra tried making their product cheaper and couldn't, the technology they used is inherently labor intensive to produce (unlike silicon wafers, the production of which is largely automated). So in the end, they had a good idea, but it didn't work out in practice, like so many other ideas, and they went out of business.

Just a normal business failure, in other words. Well, except for the fact that the loans they used to build their factory and buy their equipment were government-guaranteed loans, just like the mortgages of many millions of Americans. Solyndra applied for these "green energy" loans during the Bush Administration, and they were awarded early in the Obama administration, long before Obama had any of his appointees in place at the Department of Energy. Which means, of course, that it's all Obama's fault, and the government shouldn't be in the business of encouraging renewable energy anyhow, even though the vast majority of these "green energy" loans have performed well and Obama didn't have anything to do with the "green energy" program, that was a Bush-era program.

All of which is just utter nonsense. This nation's government has been involved in fostering critical industries since its beginning, when the Federalist government of George Washington imposed tariffs on British cloth in order to encourage the development of an American textile industry. And given that we have reached peak oil and will be transitioning to a mostly-electric infrastructure in the future, we need all the energy sources we can get -- and solar is one of the more cost-effective ones in the southern half of the country where solar panel output corresponds with daytime peak usage of electricity. So not every potential technology we look at turns out to be viable. So what. Thomas Edison made dozens of tries at a viable light bulb before he got one that worked, and the "green energy" program has a much better track record than that, indeed, has a much better track record than any private venture fund in the Silicon Valley. Using it as a political football is just playing chicken with the future of the nation, and regardless of your political affiliation should be viewed as utter nonsense.

-- Badtux the Technology Penguin
http://snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/2011/09/innovation-solyndra-and-political.html

Mold

Thrasher said...

Wonderful chatter in here today makes me want to return on a regular basis...The collective good is often the sum of individual efforts. The idea that a union is in conflict with inalienable rights of the individual reflects a mypoic view of possibilities..

I have observed hungry people feed the rich and I have observed the rich clothed the poor.Where there is a social utility that functions for all congruency and harmony can exist...

E PLURIBUS UNUM

The Purple Cow said...

Shocking photo of Rick Perry.

What are his evangelical fans gonna make of this??

I reckon this could destroy him.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/photo-rick-perry-corndog2.jpg

Not So Anonymous said...

Why is mold highjacking this thread?Seems like everyday moldtrolls are highjacking and trying to stop posters from having intelligent conversations.

These moldtrolls should be banned.This is not about free speech.This is not about exposing ignorance.

This is about moldtrolls attempt to discourage others from posting and take away from the powerful message you spread field.

Anonymous said...

PC, since the Fundie churches used to be the largest and most frequent purchasers of certain Santorumy porn...I think the pic would titillate the TaxBaggers to no end.

Yes, there is a balancing act in the US between social goods and individual wants. I can't say that giving all the money to the already rich is a social good. I see it as the kind of illness shown on the TV under the term Hoarding. No matter how many cats/clothes/toys/etc the ill person has...they collect more. After two cats, it should raise an eyebrow.

Mold

Anonymous said...

Because it pains you so...to have your ignorance and lying revealed...;)
The sad reality of life is that not all good ideas end up easily implemented, and sometimes ideas you thought were good turn out to be not so good once they reach the light of day. The sad reality is that over 90% of companies started to produce something innovative here in the Silicon Valley fail. That's just how it works, not every idea works out. Even when ideas do work out, it may not be possible to sell the result for enough money to keep you in business -- I have, alas, worked for several companies that had great products but couldn't figure out how to make enough money from them to cover costs thus went out of business.

In the case of Solyndra, they thought they had an innovative way to increase the amount of energy obtained from solar panels. They found a bunch of backers, created product, and sold thousands of their solar modules. Unfortunately two things happened that utterly destroyed their business model: 1) New silicon wafer foundries came online, making flat solar panels ridiculously cheap even when built in America (and most solar panels sold here in America *are* built here in America, for the same reason that most cars sold here in America are built here -- because they're bulky and fragile and breakage on the long overseas voyage would kill you thus it's not cost-effective to ship them from overseas), and 2) scientists figured out ways to make silicon solar panels produce almost as much power as Solyndra's more expensive copper-gallium panels, thus eliminating most of their power advantage. Solyndra tried making their product cheaper and couldn't, the technology they used is inherently labor intensive to produce (unlike silicon wafers, the production of which is largely automated). So in the end, they had a good idea, but it didn't work out in practice, like so many other ideas, and they went out of business.

Just a normal business failure, in other words. Well, except for the fact that the loans they used to build their factory and buy their equipment were government-guaranteed loans, just like the mortgages of many millions of Americans. Solyndra applied for these "green energy" loans during the Bush Administration, and they were awarded early in the Obama administration, long before Obama had any of his appointees in place at the Department of Energy. Which means, of course, that it's all Obama's fault, and the government shouldn't be in the business of encouraging renewable energy anyhow, even though the vast majority of these "green energy" loans have performed well and Obama didn't have anything to do with the "green energy" program, that was a Bush-era program.

All of which is just utter nonsense. This nation's government has been involved in fostering critical industries since its beginning, when the Federalist government of George Washington imposed tariffs on British cloth in order to encourage the development of an American textile industry. And given that we have reached peak oil and will be transitioning to a mostly-electric infrastructure in the future, we need all the energy sources we can get -- and solar is one of the more cost-effective ones in the southern half of the country where solar panel output corresponds with daytime peak usage of electricity. So not every potential technology we look at turns out to be viable. So what. Thomas Edison made dozens of tries at a viable light bulb before he got one that worked, and the "green energy" program has a much better track record than that, indeed, has a much better track record than any private venture fund in the Silicon Valley. Using it as a political football is just playing chicken with the future of the nation, and regardless of your political affiliation should be viewed as utter nonsense.

-- Badtux the Technology Penguin
http://snarkypenguin.blogspot.com/2011/09/innovation-solyndra-and-political.html

Mold

TheMilkman said...

The Purple Cow said...
Shocking photo of Rick Perry.

What are his evangelical fans gonna make of this??

I reckon this could destroy him.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/photo-rick-perry-corndog2.jpg

10:58 AM

Probably not, most conservatives are intelligent and unlike you don't have warring conflicts of the soul due to beliefs not matching reality and your urges.

Conservatives see this firstly as a photoshopped pic, secondly recognize it as a picture of a man eating and unlike you don't see a man eating a hotdog and think of homosexual activity, Finally, we don't pretend to accept polesmokers like you and then go around looking to denigrate sausage smokers again like you, thus do not have to deal with any disengenious warped personality conflicts, like you.

So in summation, you are a Herschey highway traveling, sneaky butcher who takes his meat deliveries in the rear, hate the fact that you do so, therefore outwardly claiming tolerance, while inwardly you are disgusted at your unclean habits and ultimately project them onto others.

TheMilkman said...

The Purple Cow said...
Shocking photo of Rick Perry.

What are his evangelical fans gonna make of this??

I reckon this could destroy him.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/Wordpress/wp-content/themes/mimbo2.2/images/photo-rick-perry-corndog2.jpg

10:58 AM

Probably not, most conservatives are intelligent and unlike you don't have warring conflicts of the soul due to beliefs not matching reality and your urges.

Conservatives see this firstly as a photoshopped pic, secondly recognize it as a picture of a man eating and unlike you don't see a man eating a hotdog and think of homosexual activity, Finally, we don't pretend to accept polesmokers like you and then go around looking to denigrate sausage smokers again like you, thus do not have to deal with any disengenious warped personality conflicts, like you.

So in summation, you are a Herschey highway traveling, sneaky butcher who takes his meat deliveries in the rear, hate the fact that you do so, therefore outwardly claiming tolerance, while inwardly you are disgusted at your unclean habits and ultimately project them onto others.

Mean Joe Green said...

mold cut and pasted: "All of which is just utter nonsense. This nation's government has been involved in fostering critical industries since its beginning, when the Federalist government of George Washington imposed tariffs on British cloth in order to encourage the development of an American textile industry. "

There is a diference in fostering an industry through protectionism, or nurturing technologies through government purchasing (e.g. the space program),and the outright handing over cash to a commercial operation in the form of loan guarantees, as in the case of Solyndra.

Not only did the government bankroll production, but it subsidized consumption via 30% tax credits.

A bad idea.

And that's a lame, disengenuous attempt to tie this to Bush. The loan approvals were fast tracked by the Obama administration and got to bypass the normal review process. Some of the chief backers of Solyndra were major campaign donors and bundlers for Obama.

This is worse than Enron.

Tony Keilbasa said...

Anonymous said...
PC, since the Fundie churches used to be the largest and most frequent purchasers of certain Santorumy porn...I think the pic would titillate the TaxBaggers to no end.

What is with democrats and their obsession with porn and penis? Are you the party of winkies? What a juvenile pathetic group of folks. You want everything including sexual favors, GTFO here with this disgusting nonsense. We get it, we get it, democratic policies SUCK and ya'll are gay.

Not So Anonymous said...

Not So Anonymous said...
Why is mold highjacking this thread?Seems like everyday moldtrolls are highjacking and trying to stop posters from having intelligent conversations.

These moldtrolls should be banned.This is not about free speech.This is not about exposing ignorance.

This is about moldtrolls attempt to discourage others from posting and take away from the powerful message you spread field.



See my point? Moldtrolls have ruined another thread.

Anonymous said...

Well said, Field, well said.

The Purple Cow said...

Quote:TheMilkman

"Conservatives see this firstly as a photoshopped pic, secondly recognize it as a picture of a man eating and unlike you don't see a man eating a hotdog and think of homosexual activity"

It's a joke you dim-witted twunt.

Anonymous said...

The wingies doth protest too much, methinks.

Keep pushing the meme...after all, you are paid to be ignorant. What about the private prisons and their 'contributions'. I especially like that guards are expected to 'contribute'.
Or private cyber/charter/religio skools. Follow the money.

We subsidize SUVs...and you aren't wailing about that. We subsidize the rural and suburban lifestyles...no whimpers from you. Essentially your rant is that your 'side' didn't get the goodies. And it is soooo eveel that money went to something you don't quite understand.

Simple, they got help...like many other businesses. They give campaign contributions...and far less than the Koch Machine or Scaife. Their tech was supplanted by emerging processes. Duh.
Keep trying to sell it as GreatesEveelEvah!! to the rubes.

Pushing cyber/charter/religio skools is a worse evil.

Mold

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Dominionism/Reconstructionism...Al Jazeera has a piece on these creeps.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011948160923228.html

Mold

The Milkman said...

The Purple Cow said...
Quote:TheMilkman

"Conservatives see this firstly as a photoshopped pic, secondly recognize it as a picture of a man eating and unlike you don't see a man eating a hotdog and think of homosexual activity"

It's a joke you dim-witted twunt.


Yes you are and a complete one at that.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Speaking of Dominionism/Reconstructionism...Al Jazeera has a piece on these creeps.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/2011948160923228.html

Mold


Mold, Highlighting the insanity of liberals daily. Who is Mold and his numerous sockpuppets? Field knows, he knows well.

field negro said...

"...Mold, Highlighting the insanity of liberals daily. Who is Mold and his numerous sockpuppets? Field knows, he knows well."

No, actually he doesn't. You are starting to sound like some other paranoid posters who are regulars to this site. *laughing*

That's not a good look, even for a wingnut.

field negro said...

Thrasher @ 10:49AM,that was profound.

Anonymous said...

A speech that fits today just as it did years ago, eerily so.

"The major issue of this campaign is the direct political, personal and moral responsibility of Democratic Party leadership –in the White House and in Congress — for this unprecedented calamity which has befallen us. They tell us they have done the most that humanly could be done. They say that the United States has had its day in the sun; that our nation has passed its zenith. They expect you to tell your children that the American people no longer have the will to cope with their problems; that the future will be one of sacrifice and few opportunities.

I utterly reject that view. The American people, the most generous on earth, who created the highest standard of living, are not going to accept the notion that we can only make a better world for others by moving backwards ourselves. Those who believe we can have no business leading the nation.

I will not stand by and watch this great country destroy itself under mediocre leadership that drifts from one crisis to the next, eroding our national will and purpose. We have come together here because the American people deserve better from those to whom they entrust our nation’s highest offices, and we stand united in our resolve to do something about it.

*******

“Trust me” government asks that we concentrate our hopes and dreams on one man; that we trust him to do what’s best for us. My view of government places trust not in one person or one party, but in those values that transcend persons and parties. The trust is where it belongs–in the people.

*******

The first Republican president once said, “While the people retain their virtue and their vigilance, no administration by any extreme of wickedness or folly can seriously injure the government in the short space of four years.”

If Mr. Lincoln could see what’s happened in these last two-and-a-half years, he might hedge a little on that statement. But, with the virtues that our legacy as a free people and with the vigilance that sustains liberty, we still have time to use our renewed compact to overcome the injuries that have been done to America these past two-and-a-half years.

First, we must overcome something the present administration has cooked up: a new and altogether indigestible economic stew, one part high unemployment, one part recession, one part runaway taxes, one part deficit spending. It’s an economic stew that has turned the national stomach".


----RR

Thrasher said...

FN..

Thanks it is good to return when moments live these unfold...I really enjoyed the banter today..I was elevated and that is always good...WARN & your site are the best Black sites on the WWW by far..

Peace on 9/11...

Liberals are like hemroids said...

Solyndra, Inc. was supposed to have showcased the effectiveness of the Obama administration’s stimulus and green jobs initiatives, but instead it has become the center of congressional attention for waste, fraud and abuse of such programs.

According to a Feb. 17 letter signed by Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton, Michigan Republican, and Oversight Subcommittee Chairman Cliff Stearns, Florida Republican, to Energy Secretary Steven Chu, the Fremont, Calif.-based solar panel manufacturer should never have received a $535 million loan guarantee from the stimulus.*

The company became the first recipient of an Energy Department loan guarantee under the stimulus in March 2009, which was intended to “finance construction of the first phase of the company’s new manufacturing facility” for photovoltaic solar panels.

The Energy Department estimated in a March 20, 2009 press release that the loan guarantee would create 3,000 construction jobs and a further 1,000 jobs after the plant opened.

And President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden each personally showcased Solyndra as an example of how stimulus dollars were at work creating jobs, during appearances at the company over the course of the following year.

Biden personally announced the closure of Solyndra’s $535 million loan guarantee in a Sept. 9, 2009 speech, delivered via closed-circuit television, on the occasion of the groundbreaking of the plant.

The vice president justified the federal government’s investment in Solyndra in front of employees and other dignitaries, including Secretary Chu and former Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwartzenegger, saying the jobs the company intended to create would “serve as a foundation for a stronger American economy.”

“These jobs are the jobs that are going to define the 21st century that will allow America to compete and to lead like we did in the 20th century,” Biden said.

According to Biden’s speech, the $535 million loan guarantee was a smaller part of the $30 billion of stimulus money the administration planned to spend as part of its Green Jobs Initiative.

Obama made similar claims in a May 26, 2010 speech at the plant, but the 1,000 jobs he and Biden touted in their respective speeches failed to materialize.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/22/panel-green-jobs-company-endorsed-by-obama-and-biden-squandered-535-million-in-stimulus-money/#ixzz1XaLUJ9Lo

Liberals are like hemroids said...

n late May, when President Obama was in California for his fourth fundraiser for Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., he also made a point of dropping by Silicon Valley to praise his own stimulus package.

"It is here that companies like Solyndra are leading the way toward a brighter, more prosperous future," Obama said of a solar energy company that had recently received taxpayer backing. Obama spoke of the company in glowing terms and used it as an example of how the stimulus package is creating jobs all over America.

But even if Solyndra is a good example of what the stimulus package can do, it might not be the kind of example Obama wants to publicize. Jim McTague of Barron's noted over the weekend that, two months before Obama's glowing speech, PricewaterhouseCoopers released a fear-filled note in its audit of the company, which has accumulated losses of $558 million in its five-year lifetime. The firm noted that Solyndra "has suffered recurring losses from operations, negative cash flows since inception and has a net stockholders' deficit that, among other factors, raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern."

Obama seemed almost unaware of this when he spoke.

"We can see the positive impacts right here at Solyndra," he said. "[T]hrough the Recovery Act, this company received a loan to expand its operations. This new factory is the result of those loans. Since the project broke ground last fall, more than 3,000 construction workers have been employed building this plant. Across the country, workers in 22 states are manufacturing the supplies. ... Solyndra expects to hire 1,000 workers to manufacture solar panels. ..."

In September 2009, months before the scathing PricewaterhouseCoopers audit, the Department of Energy had announced $535 million in taxpayer-backed loan guarantees for Solyndra. Before the ink was dry on that deal, Solyndra applied for yet another loan guarantee, this time of $469 million. That application is pending.


How did Solyndra come so far, even getting an Obama eulogy? It is no corporate titan. According to the Federal Election Commission, its employees have contributed less than $10,000 to political candidates.

But Solyndra has hired people that people in Washington listen to, spending $140,000 on lobbyists in just the first quarter of this year. Solyndra's most prominent representative in Washington is Steven McBee, a former Democratic Hill aide whose firm did $11 million in business last year. He has contributed $235,000 to politicians and political action committees (mostly Democrats) since 1999.

As it sought approval for its first Department of Energy loan, Solyndra called upon Deana Perlmutter, then wife of Rep. Ed Perlmutter, D-Colo. This year, according to lobbying disclosure forms, the company is bringing on an additional new firm, the Washington Tax Group, featuring one Republican donor-lobbyist and one Democrat.

The company's issues: the stimulus, the second stimulus, an energy subsidy bill and the cap-and-trade bill. As our lobbying editor Tim Carney likes to say, this is the new American business model. Hire a lobbyist to put your hand in someone else's pocket.

Solyndra was the very first company to receive a Department of Energy loan guarantee under the stimulus bill. When it was awarded, Vice President Biden said the project was "exactly what the Recovery Act is all about." Energy Secretary Steven Chu said it would help "spark a new industrial revolution that will put Americans to work."

Despite its auditors' misgivings, Solyndra may do just that. Obama had better hope so, anyway.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/node/65146#ixzz1XaM5mEFH

Mack Lyons said...

"Who is more covetous, someone who by hard work and smarts accummulates a fortune, employs a large number of people, and gives a bit to charity, or someone like you who wants take that wealth?"

Maybe you should have called him a "Marxist pinko commie bastard" while you were at it.

I'll keep this in mind the next time I hear about a corporation finding yet another way to pay ZERO federal taxes. It would be downright Communist to make these companies pay their fair share, wouldn't it?

Anonymous said...

RoidTroll, still trying to up the traffic on those scamsites, I see. No thanks.
Why should I do your work?

st reagan as 'expert'..that is using a very low, low standard. But then, it allows you to still beleeverate...and you don't have to admit he sold you crap. Like all your class...you will not admit that you failed...or got scammed.

Field, when did I become male? They accuse me of doing what they do. They create fake supporters...as so very few actually agree with their ideas.

Dominionist/Reconstructionist beleevers 'lie fer jebus'. They are also doing the christian 'stealth' activity so often used by IntelligentCreationistDesign adherents to sneak into public office. If voters were aware of their true plans...no one would vote for them. D/R would institute religious police. Think Taliban...without morals.

Mold

Anonymous said...

Why are taxes seen by a wite dude as taking from the deserving by birth and being given to the undeserving? This is a Democracy. We already chose to share some measure of the wealth with our less fortunate citizens. And the greatest form of being undeserving is to be AfAm.

Odd that taxes are considered a 'taking'. Like one is somehow better and should not be taxed like the 'little people'.

They seem to think by pouting over being adult, they will be absolved of their duties. Poor widdle boy, they uses his taxes and he can't order anyone to spend the money the way he wants. Boo hoo.
Maybe they could move to Libertopia...no Gubmint, no taxes, no feminists giving women ideers of equal pay....note hoe they pewl....but never emigrate.

Mold

Liberals are like hemroids said...

Mold you have proven your depth of knowledge to be as deep has a kids pool.

You rip words off of firebagger sites and pretend your own.

You try to cover your lack of knowledge with 4 grade insults and diddling.

"st reagan as 'expert'..that is using a very low, low standard. But then, it allows you to still beleeverate...and you don't have to admit he sold you crap. Like all your class...you will not admit that you failed...or got scammed."

Mold


Why don't we use you has a expert?How many jobs have you had? 15+? Why is it so hard for you to keep a job?


Yes mold.You have used many different ids.Remember newssouls?Remember you forget to change ids when answering a post?Funny newssouls id disappeared after that. Or when the net was down in the old folks home AB's stalkers stoping posting?On the same day you started posting again,ABS' stalker came back.

Not hard to figure your half n' half ass out.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why are taxes seen by a wite dude as taking from the deserving by birth and being given to the undeserving? This is a Democracy. We already chose to share some measure of the wealth with our less fortunate citizens. And the greatest form of being undeserving is to be AfAm.




Probably the most disgusting and revealing thing you have ever said. There Afams are just as successdful and or capable of being successful as any other race, for you to say all Afams are less fortunate and that being afam is to be undeserving is despicable - even for you.

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Yes mold.You have used many different ids.Remember newssouls?Remember you forget to change ids when answering a post?Funny newssouls id disappeared after that. Or when the net was down in the old folks home AB's stalkers stoping posting?On the same day you started posting again,ABS' stalker came back.

Not hard to figure your half n' half ass out.

He uses/used Newssouls, Socrates, the vulgar anon, Mangina or wait I think it was Mandinga and lately I just call him "buceta bref/kuntbref" when I see him.

Why do we think you are a male?
Look down...see that shrively littel white thing? That isn't a really big clitoris.....although I do understand you would rather have a big one of these then a small one of those...

Dr.Queen said...

Now see, you guys are gonna make vulgar assign appear, LOL!!!

Anonymous said...

Field, when did I become male?

Mold

You post like a white euro male.Even fn thinks so.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Field, when did I become male?

Mold

You post like a white euro male.Even fn thinks


Mold's head is about to explode..he is doing what he does best searching for a website where someone says something he can copy and paste that will support his delusions (as normal) only thing is he is getting nothing but transgender information and muttering all the while "that just wont do martha, that just wont do' I has to be a fe-mails I justa hasta whatta dey gonna think


Que lesbian rape story...comin up...

Anonymous said...

"Thrasher @ 10:49AM,that was profound."

why the fuck can't i get any recognition? i have been on fn for 4 yrs and nobody even answers my questions, not even Mack. now that is pretty bad if Mack won't answer. WTF!!!

this kind of fn treatment is the reason so many Negroes go Republicans! Field, you are mainly responsible for a lot of us crossing over. i hope your email box is jammed with complaints about how you have mistreated a loyal brother for four fucking years! YOU are the reason i am on Prozac with Red Stripe as a chaser.

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Why are taxes seen by a wite dude as taking from the deserving by birth and being given to the undeserving? This is a Democracy. We already chose to share some measure of the wealth with our less fortunate citizens. And the greatest form of being undeserving is to be AfAm.




Probably the most disgusting and revealing thing you have ever said. There Afams are just as successdful and or capable of being successful as any other race, for you to say all Afams are less fortunate and that being afam is to be undeserving is despicable - even for you.

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Yes mold.You have used many different ids.Remember newssouls?Remember you forget to change ids when answering a post?Funny newssouls id disappeared after that. Or when the net was down in the old folks home AB's stalkers stoping posting?On the same day you started posting again,ABS' stalker came back.

Not hard to figure your half n' half ass out.

He uses/used Newssouls, Socrates, the vulgar anon, Mangina or wait I think it was Mandinga and lately I just call him "buceta bref/kuntbref" when I see him.

Why do we think you are a male?
Look down...see that shrively littel white thing? That isn't a really big clitoris.....although I do understand you would rather have a big one of these then a small one of those...

7:36 PM
Blogger Dr.Queen said...

Now see, you guys are gonna make vulgar assign appear, LOL!!!

7:42 PM

its clear that u wrote both those posts ya dummy! both of them contain the sophomoric and atrocious spelling that is ur claim to fame miss edumacayted who donte know ow to use a thesaurus or dictionary dummY!