Sunday, November 13, 2011

Foreign policy debate: Facts vs. The republican Candidates.

The republicans debated foreign policy the other night, and, as is to be expected, there were some issues.

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Herman Cain contradicted himself on torture, Mitt Romney offered a prescription for challenging China that didn't add up and Newt Gingrich seemed to forget about crucial help by Pakistani intelligence in running down terrorists.

Factual missteps in the latest Republican presidential debate suggested that on some the knottiest foreign policy and national security issues of the time, contenders were out of their comfort zone. Several raised the prospect of an eventual war with Iran that the U.S., by any current measure, is ill-prepared to start.

A look at some of those claims Saturday night and how they compare with the facts:
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ROMNEY on President Barack Obama and Iran: "What he should have done is speak out when dissidents took the streets and say, 'America is with you.' And work on a covert basis to encourage the dissidents."

GINGRICH: "First of all, as maximum covert operations — to block and disrupt the Iranian (nuclear) program, including taking out their scientists, including breaking up their systems. All of it covertly, all of it deniable. "

THE FACTS: It is widely believed that the Obama administration has been covertly attacking the Iranian nuclear program. By definition, covert action is not publicly acknowledged, so criticizing Obama for not doing something that he might very well be doing adds little to the debate. On just one front, there are strong suspicions the Obama administration either unleashed the sophisticated Stuxnet computer worm on Iran's nuclear program or supported Israel in that effort. The attack infected systems at the Bushehr power plant and set back Iran's nuclear development.

It is also believed the administration has provided secret help to Iranian dissidents, even if to little effect so far. Romney, Gingrich and most other contenders do not know what the U.S. is doing, and not doing, covertly. Michele Bachmann, as a member of the House intelligence Committee, might. If so, she's legally barred from talking about it.
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ROMNEY on China: "On Day One, it's acknowledging something which everyone knows, they're a currency manipulator. And on that basis, we also go before the WTO and bring an action against them as a currency manipulator. And that allows us to apply, selectively, tariffs where we believe they are stealing our intellectual property, hacking into our computers, or artificially lowering their prices and killing American jobs. We can't just sit back and let China run all over us."

JON HUNTSMAN: "I don't think, Mitt, you can take China to the WTO on currency-related issues."

THE FACTS: As Huntsman, former ambassador to China, said, the World Trade Organization has no specified mandate to adjudicate allegations that a country is manipulating its currency to gain an unfair trade advantage. But using currency in a trade dispute hasn't been tried, so it's unclear how that might play out in practice.

Even if the international trade panel does take the case, any remedy would come long after Day One. As a highly political case, it would drag out. For example, the U.S. and European Union have been litigating a dispute over alleged subsidies to Boeing and Airbus since 2004, with no resolution in sight.
Nor is it clear how a currency case could address the theft of U.S. intellectual property, an issue unrelated to the price of Chinese exports.
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CAIN: "I will trust the judgment of our military leaders to determine what is torture and what is not torture. That is the critical consideration."

CAIN: "I would return to that policy (waterboarding). I don't see it as torture. I
see it as an enhanced interrogation technique."

THE FACTS: Cain's conclusion that waterboarding is a legitimate means of interrogation contradicts the judgment of military leaders — and his own statement that he would be guided by them. The Army Field Manual prohibits waterboarding. It was the CIA, with the approval of the White House and Justice Department that conducted waterboarding, not the armed forces. As president, Cain could certainly decide that interrogators need not be constrained by the Army Field Manual rules. But if he did so, he would not be letting military leaders determine the tactics.
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GINGRICH: "We don't have a reliable intelligence service. We don't have independent intelligence in places like Pakistan. We rely on our supposed friends for intelligence. They may or may not be our friends. And the amount of information we might or might not have, might or might not be reliable."

THE FACTS: U.S. killing of a succession of al-Qaida figures in Pakistan, none more prized by America than Osama bin Laden, demonstrates that the United States indeed gets vital and reliable intelligence out of Pakistan. While it may have been true when Gingrich left government in 1999 that the CIA's spy network was limited, since 2001 the agency has dramatically expanded its on-the-ground operations worldwide. The CIA station in Islamabad is now one of the most important in the world and officers there are responsible for building sources and helping select targets for the long and successful campaign of drone attacks.

Gingrich is right that Pakistan's intelligence agency is an often-unreliable U.S. partner and elements of the country's power structure have supported U.S. terrorist enemies. But as the bin Laden raid shows, the CIA is hardly impotent in its ability to operate alone in Pakistan.
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ROMNEY: "The president should have built (a) credible threat of military action, and made it very clear that the United States of America is willing, in the final analysis, if necessary, to take military action to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon."

GINGRICH: "Every possible aspect short of war of breaking the regime and bringing it down. And I agree entirely with Governor Romney. If, in the end, despite all of those things, the dictatorship persists, you have to take whatever steps are necessary to break its capacity to have a nuclear weapon."

CAIN: "I would not entertain military opposition.... We could deploy our ballistic missile defense ... warships strategically in that part of the world. We have the biggest fleet of those warships in the world. And we could use them strategically in the event that they were able to fire a ballistic missile."

THE FACTS: It is an open question whether the U.S., stretched thin by two long wars and a massive debt, is in a position to make a credible threat of war against Iran right now.

As it stands, U.S. plans to put additional forces in the Middle East, including in Kuwait, are part of a military hedge against Iran. So is a program to put missile defense radars and interceptors at sites around Europe and the region. The threat of U.S. attack might become more credible in time, whether from Obama or the next president.

Meantime, Obama, like George W. Bush before him, has not ruled out military action against Iran as a final resort.

The U.S. certainly has military force readily at hand to destroy Iran's known nuclear development sites in short order. This is highly unlikely, however, because of the strategic calculation that an attack would be counterproductive and ultimately ineffective, spawning retaliation against U.S. allies and forces in the region, and merely delaying eventual nuclear weapons development.
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GINGRICH: "You're giving some country $7 billion a year. So you start off — or, or, in the case of Egypt, $3 billion a year. So you start off every year and say, 'Here's your $3 billion, now I'll start thinking'? You ought to start off at zero and say, 'Explain to me why I should give you a penny.'"

THE FACTS: In supporting Rick Perry's proposal to make every recipient of U.S. foreign aid justify the money before it is approved, Gingrich exaggerated the amount of aid the U.S. gives to Egypt. The Congressional Research Service says total aid to Egypt is about $1.5 billion annually.
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BACHMANN: "Now President Obama has made a very fatal decision in Afghanistan. He's made the decision that by next September, our troops will be withdrawn. "

THE FACTS: By September 2012, Obama is only planning to withdraw the additional forces he sent in. Once the 33,000 "surge" troops are gone, 68,000 will be left. They are to be pulled out gradually and won't be gone until the end of 2014, barring some change in the drawdown of troops.
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RICK PERRY: "This country can sanction the Iranian central bank right now and shut down that country's economy. And that's what this president needs to do, and the American people need to stand up and force him to make that stand today."

THE FACTS: Perry is right that sanctions have stopped short of tough action against Iran's central bank, which handles the country's massive oil commerce around the world. The debate moved on without the pros and cons of that step being explored. The option of banning U.S. and European dealings with the bank is being considered by Western powers and their allies, even if it is a stretch to expect such a move would shut Iran's economy as Perry suggested. The downside risk is significant: Isolating the bank could drive up oil prices and imperil the fragile world economy." [Source]

Those pesky facts always seem to get in the way of a good republican debate.

Oh well, it doesn't matter, the partisans will stand by their man- or woman- no matter what. Facts be damned!    

151 comments:

Anonymous said...

Field, why must you ALWAYS try to put down Republicans? Have you no shame? Herman was referring to the CIA, regarding waterboarding. Surely you can acknowledge that? Just because he said 'military' does not exclude the CIA. If anything, t was his intention to encourage cross-intelligence between the military and CIA, which has been sorely lacking under the Obama administration.

You need to get the facts straight before you go off on Herman. It is clear you have nothing but ill-will for Herman, a good decent honest man who wants to save America.

Anonymous said...

Excellent points, anon. I bet Field didn't think of those points. They are too deep for him.

MrCharlie2 said...

Deep? CIA=military? BS

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

There's no cred to be had for them in foreign policy among their know-nothing listener/customer/constituents. Not that there's any left for them among the public at large after W anyway.

Val said...

Did you hear Michelle "why is she still in the race" Bachmann say there's going to be a "world-wide nuclear war against Israel"? What the hell was she talking about? And why didn't the moderators challenge her on that craziness?

Anonymous said...

Mr. Field, I am amazed at the comments of your liberal regular ID FN posters. And some have the audacity to criticize or judge our GOP? GOOH!

Michelle was not challenged because she made sense to the moderators and American public. Of course, there will always be a few lefties who just don't get it.

Anonymous said...

In watching the debate, I felt pride welling up in my chest as I watched with great interest the fabulous lineup of candidates for President. It brought tears to my eyes to know that any of them on stage had the capabilities of leading our great nation. Yes! we still have great leaders among us.

Field, you should be grateful and proud too instead of being an ingrate. When Cain becomes Prez I hope his first act will be to shut your two-bit lib racist blog down for good.

no slappz said...

News flash:

Waterboarding works.

Obama was able to locate bin Laden because waterboarding conducted when Bush was president enabled US Intelligence to obtain the pieces of the puzzle that ultimately led to Abbotabad.

Without waterboarding, bin Laden would still be alive and hiding in Pakistan.

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with waterboarding? It scares people but it doesn't hurt anybody. I swear, if you let the Dems run the country all the enemy has to do is walk in without firing a shot.

no slappz said...

field posts:

THE FACTS: By September 2012, Obama is only planning to withdraw the additional forces he sent in. Once the 33,000 "surge" troops are gone, 68,000 will be left. They are to be pulled out gradually and won't be gone until the end of 2014, barring some change in the drawdown of troops.

The Korean War ended in 1953 -- 58 years ago. There are still 30,000 US troops on the border between North and South Korea.

That's how these things work. We've still got a huge military presence in Germany and Japan.

Obama is merely punting the ball of troop withdrawal until the day he's out of office, which, if things go right, will be next year.

no slappz said...

Anon says:

What's wrong with waterboarding?

Nothing at all wrong with waterboarding.

It scares people but it doesn't hurt anybody.

It sure does. Scares the hell of them. Just ask Khalid Muhammad. He's been the singing canary of the waterboarding set. Anything to avoid another session of water up his nose.

I swear, if you let the Dems run the country all the enemy has to do is walk in without firing a shot.

That's what happened in Kuwait. Someone in the State Department -- April Glaspie -- told Saddam's people that America would do nothing if Kuwait were invaded.

Oops.

no slappz said...

GINGRICH: "First of all, as maximum covert operations — to block and disrupt the Iranian (nuclear) program, including taking out their scientists, including breaking up their systems. All of it covertly, all of it deniable. "

How about a dozen cruise missiles into the government offices in Tehran.

That would send a message they'd respect.

NSangoma said...

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Conservative breaph Negroes, the Republicans and Herman Cain will not be able to return you to those halcyon daze of the 1950s (for some the 1930s) when whidtes, er uh, the US ruled the world and you coloureds knew your place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfnBXVA3S5g

Herman Cain wants to return you culludz to the daze when he joyfully and gleefully ran to the back of the bus and used the coloured only water fountain and the coloured only out-house, so as not to disturb dhe whidte folks delicate sensibilities.

Herman Cain would not have liked these Negroes:

Bequia
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/11/13/travel/13BEQUIA.html

... The island now known as Saint Vincent was originally named Hairouna ("The Land of the Blessed") by the native Caribs. The Caribs aggressively prevented European settlement on Saint Vincent until 1719. Prior to this, formerly enslaved Africans, who had either been shipwrecked or who had escaped from Barbados, Saint Lucia and Grenada and sought refuge in mainland Saint Vincent, intermarried with the Caribs and became known as Garifuna or Black Caribs. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Vincent_and_the_Grenadines
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momcat1949 said...

Holy shit, Field, I had NO IDEA that so many right-wing-nut-job trolls posted on your site. I cannot believe some of the comments!! They seem to believe that Pizza-man is gonna be president! AND, they seem to advocate violating your Constitutional right to free speech!! Oh, well. I guess if you don't agree with them, then you don't deserve ANY rights.....

NSangoma said...

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That's what happened in Kuwait. Someone in the State Department -- April Glaspie -- told Saddam's people that America would do nothing if Kuwait were invaded.

April Glaspie, worked for Bush'41, George H. W. Bush; you punk mother fucking fool!!
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no slappz said...

nsangoma, the moron, says:

April Glaspie, worked for Bush'41, George H. W. Bush; you punk mother fucking fool!!

She was a career State Department employee who was working for the State Department in 1990 -- when Bush 41 was president -- you know, when the US went over there to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. Stooge.

no slappz said...

momcat1949 writes:

They seem to believe that Pizza-man is gonna be president!

The US no longer elects presidents over the age of 60.

Voters do not elect presidential candidates who have had cancer.

Voters do not elect presidential candidates who have never held elective office.

Cain, though he's a decent guy, hasn't got a chance.

He'll fade in the primaries. At this point the Republican nomination is Romney's to lose.

Joe Bin Laden said...

I think they should waterboard Eric Holder to get him to talk about the Fast and Furious scandal.

The MF Truth said...

Facts: Obama is either the dumbest motherfucker ever to be President of the United States or he is intentionally trying to destroy the country.

no slappz said...

The MF Truth said...

Obama is either the dumbest motherfucker ever to be President of the United States or he is intentionally trying to destroy the country.

He's both. Stupid AND trying to destroy the country.

NSangoma said...

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She was a career State Department employee who was working for the State Department in 1990 -- when Bush 41 was president -- you know, when the US went over there to kick Saddam out of Kuwait. Stooge.

She was following Bush'41s instructions, you ignorant stinking anal orifice!!
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no slappz said...

joe bin laden says:

I think they should waterboard Eric Holder to get him to talk about the Fast and Furious scandal.

Good idea. But we already know he gave the green light to Fast & Furious. Therefore, he should resign.

After Obama, he's next in the line of stupid and destructive personalities in Washington trying to undermine the nation.

Desertflower said...

Ya know......this is so crazy....why are people so gullible???

The economy is shot, there are no jobs because they're all overseas, people losing their homes and their dreams, in this day and age in the "greatest" country people still without healthcare,etc.,etc., and they're talking up a smokescreen with all this bull&#)% about war and power struggles!!!

WTF!

no slappz said...

nsangomer the brain tumor says:

She was following Bush'41s instructions, you ignorant stinking anal orifice!!

Really? So in your little mind there was a benefit derived from luring Saddam into Kuwait, where he set the oil wells on fire, where we sent a hundred thousand troops, had them camp in the desert for six months, then set them loose on Saddam, ran him out of Kuwait, but didn't kill him, and then we spent several more months putting out the oil well fires.

Yeah, only a stooge like you would figure that a mess like that was the brilliant idea of someone in the US government.

no slappz said...

desertflower says:

The economy is shot, there are no jobs because they're all overseas, people losing their homes and their dreams, in this day and age...

If Obama wanted the economy to recover, he'd open up all the oil & gas territories in the US to drillers. That would put many many thousands of people to work in a hurry, and it would happen without a dime of government money.

The highest paying college major today is Petroleum Engineering.

Starting pay -- today -- for 22-year-old graduates with B.S degrees in Petroleum Engineering average $97,000.

The only problem is Obama.

NSangoma said...

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Indeed punk mother fucking fool, the Kuwaitis were pilfering Iraqi oil via slant drilling; a fucking fact.

Saddam inquired of April Glaspie if the US would have any problems with Iraq attacking Kuwait; April Glaspie, reported back to Saddam from Bush'41, NO!!

That war was a fucking set-up, BISH!!
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no slappz said...

sangomer the tumor rants:

Indeed punk mother fucking fool, the Kuwaitis were pilfering Iraqi oil via slant drilling; a fucking fact.

Like you know anything about drilling for oil.

IN any case, underground oil reserves are large and the oil does not know where the national boundary is.

Moreover, what you have described is a squabble over rights to underground oil reserves. Those disagreements are resolved diplomatically.

In fact, Iraq had borrowed $80 Billion from Kuwait to finance its war with Iran that lasted from 1980 to 1988.

Saddam decided it would be cheaper to annex Kuwait rather than repay the $80 billion. So he invaded Kuwait.

Saddam inquired of April Glaspie if the US would have any problems with Iraq attacking Kuwait; April Glaspie, reported back to Saddam from Bush'41, NO!!

That war was a fucking set-up, BISH!!


Only a stooge like you would believe that a huge, expensive and dangerous military mission undertaken by the US was the desired outcome of something that began as a refusal by Iraq to repay its debt to Kuwait.

field negro said...

"Holy shit, Field, I had NO IDEA that so many right-wing-nut-job trolls posted on your site. I cannot believe some of the comments!! They seem to believe that Pizza-man is gonna be president! AND, they seem to advocate violating your Constitutional right to free speech!!"

No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright.

"Good idea. But we already know he gave the green light to Fast & Furious. Therefore, he should resign."

Link please.

"What's wrong with waterboarding?"

Other than the fact that it's torture? I guess nothing. I take it you wingnuts don't believe in the three treaties and protocols of Geneva Conventions?

no slappz said...

field,

Only a dimwit would believe that torture doesn't work. And only a dimwit would believe that it's unnecessary.

No Islamic terrorist group has ever honored the Geneva Conventions.

Are you going to claim that bin Laden signed a pledge to fight fair? Your naivete is truly industrial strength.

As for Holder, EVERYTHING the Justice Department undertakes is the responsibility of the Attorney General.

Like Truman said, The Buck Stops Here. Holder, if he were honorable, would resign.

Soon, when Holder demands a fall-guy, people in the department will provide the paper trail that leads to Holder's desk.

But who needs it? It's inconcievable that a gun-running enterprise crossing the border into Mexico was ordered by low-level people.

Rottnkid said...

I don't care which Republican (if it were to happen) jumps up in the office, one they found out what is really going down..they'll change their tune. Debate rhetoric will only get you so far.

Hell, ask Obama.

Love or hate Obamas' current policies but he knows a hell of a lot more than most others.

The MF Truth said...

field negro said..

"What's wrong with waterboarding?"

Other than the fact that it's torture?
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You don't think that there is a legitimate use for torture?

Torture for punishment or for the sick amusement of the torturer is is wrong.

Torture to obtain information that might save innocent lives is morally justifiable.

Try the "Dirty Harry" test with your wife as a stand in for the 14 year old girl in the movie.

Some psycho kidnaps and buries her in a box with 24 hours worth of air. You catch the bastard, but he refuses to tell you where she is, saying that he'd rather have her die.

Would you tortue him to find out where your wife was, in order to save her?

I can tell you this: In order to save my wife or daughter I would do anything. Absolutely anything.

I am eternally grateful we had men like Bush and Cheney in charge when the time called for it instead of fools like Obama and Hillary.

Motherfuck that.

Desertflower said...

no slappz said...
If Obama wanted the economy to recover, he'd open up all the oil & gas territories in the US to drillers. That would put many many thousands of people to work in a hurry, and it would happen without a dime of government money.

The highest paying college major today is Petroleum Engineering.

Starting pay -- today -- for 22-year-old graduates with B.S degrees in Petroleum Engineering average $97,000.

The only problem is Obama.
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So how come the previous administration didn't open up these territories for drilling either?

Bill Bakken said...

Desertflower said...
So how come the previous administration didn't open up these territories for drilling either?
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They did, to the extent that they could, which is why U.S. production is as high as it is now.

It takes several years to go from exploration drilling to actual oil production.

Obama disingenuously takes credit for the high production today, which is based on leases granted years ago, during the Bush administration.

Meanwhile, future production will decline because no leases are being granted now.

Don't you remember The Bush Administration's efforts to open up Alaskan ANWR drilling areas being stymied by the democrat congress?

Obama has done everything he can to limit U.S. oil production. On top that, just this week, he put the Keystone pipeline, which would bring Canadian crude oil down to our Gulf of Mexico refineries, on hold until after the election in order to placate environmentalists. This means we will have buy more oil from the Middle East. Now Canada is exploring building a different pipeline to Vancouver to load tankers that will take the oil to China instead. And the tens of thousands of permanent jobs that go with this energy infrastructure are lost.

Absolutely crazy.

Obama has to go.

Anonymous said...

"Ya know......this is so crazy....why are people so gullible???

The economy is shot, there are no jobs because they're all overseas, people losing their homes and their dreams, in this day and age in the "greatest" country people still without healthcare,etc.,etc., and they're talking up a smokescreen with all this bull&#)% about war and power struggles!!!

WTF!"

10:30 PM
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isn't this the way it always goes in America? We have scattered confused fearful minds and cannot stay with the problem. It's too scary and painful. We'd rather argue about shit that won't solve our domestic problems.

Anonymous said...

"Holy shit, Field, I had NO IDEA that so many right-wing-nut-job trolls posted on your site. I cannot believe some of the comments!! They seem to believe that Pizza-man is gonna be president! AND, they seem to advocate violating your Constitutional right to free speech!!"

Field lied, "No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright."
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Now, now, Mr. Field. You are not being very nice or smart are you?

You know fully well that the reason the Conservatives are here is because WE ARE EVERYWHERE! We see and know everything, and we know that many of you Liberal black Dems are thinking real hard about WHO you are going to vote for in 2012...that is those of you who vote.

And Conservative Blacks know our people and we KNOW a lot of our folks won't be voting for Obama. It's going to be Herman Cain. You know it and I know it, brother. And what's with your regular IDs talking like we don't have a right to be on FN? Hell, we ARE Field Negroes. THEY are the HNs.

Times are changing Field. The zeitgeist of the times is CONSERVATIVE. Nobody is interested in that immoral liberal progressive shit anymore. Why? Because it doesn't work!

My dear brother Field, I have been trying to help you and some of your cronies for years, but you are one stubborn Jamaican, along with Miss PR out there in the middle of the ocean with her three hungry ass dogs.

But I must say, you still have the best blog in America. It's the only place where we all can meet where black Conservatives can recruit lost black souls like you and Desertflower.

Anyway, I am thinking we Black Conservatives 'might' build a statue to you as an honorary Conservative brother....next to MLK statue in DC. I say Conservative Blacks because everybody knows that Black Liberals ain't got no money to build anything.

Would you like for us to honor you with a beautiful bronz statue that will still be standing long after you are gone?

Anonymous said...

I can't believe the Ford Theatre banned Bill O'Reilly's book. This country has lost its mind.

O'Reilly's book is the #1 best selling book in America....go figure.

PilotX said...

The trolls and the GOP are phoning this one in. It's almost like they have given up. They repeat silly talking points and send in the D team to run against Barack. I also like the conservative mantra if you repeat something enough times people will believe it so our guy keeps telling us the reason Cain won't win the nomination is because he had cancer and is over 60. Ha! How many trailer park dwellers A. know his age and B. know he had cancer. GTFOH, that useful idiot is only around to make the candidate field a bit more colorful so Hannity and his ilk can proclaim from the highest mountain they are not racists. It is right about the nomination being Romney's to lose but once people start finding out how nutty Mormonism really is with the magic underwear and all he won't play in Peoria.

PilotX said...

"The US no longer elects presidents over the age of 60."



"He'll fade in the primaries. At this point the Republican nomination is Romney's to lose."



Uhhhhhhhhh, guys shoud we inform our friend that it just contradicted itself? Pop quiz why are the two statements above contradictory? The winner gets a to attend the GOP convention er I mean comedy festival.
Well, you heard it first from Slappz, four more years!
I don't like this new Slappz, it's like it isn't even trying anymore.
Field, last time, get better trolls!

NSangoma said...

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In her first televised interview ever, Gloria Cain, wife of Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain, sat down with her husband and said that the allegations of sexual harassment against him don’t square with the man she knows. ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/gloria-cain-speaks/2011/11/13/gIQAP16yIN_blog.html?hpid=z2

Well shit, I missed that; no but then I do not watch FAUX Noose.
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Desertflower said...

Anonymous said...
My dear brother Field, I have been trying to help you and some of your cronies for years, but you are one stubborn Jamaican, along with Miss PR out there in the middle of the ocean with her three hungry ass dogs.
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Ahahaha!
I'm still up working on a cake that's due tomorrow, but it's time to sleep now!~! :D

Anonymous said...

Desertflower, "Ahahaha!
I'm still up working on a cake that's due tomorrow, but it's time to sleep now!~! :D"

You make cakes for people? How much do you charge for a cake? I would like to order a PR Cake Special, to be shipped to LAA in the VIs. And while you are at it, would you mind including some tacos from Taco Bell with the order?

There aren't any Taco Bells nearby in the VIs and I want to save her a trip by plane to PR. And please put "from Anony, Merry XMAS" on top of the cake.

PS. don't send any cakes that looks like a desert flower. They don't have any deserts in VIs.

Anonymous said...

Who is this "troll" policeman who calls himself PilotX? Man it seems all he knows to say over and over again, "Field you need to upgrade your trolls".

Hell, he needs to upgrade his mind so he can come up with something new. I have not seen one troll here tonight. Everyone...'except' PilotX... has posted something we all can learn a great deal from. In fact, the Conservative posts proved to be so rich tonight that it has been mind blowing. These soulful Conservatives have added a new colorful dimension to FN blog that should make Field proud and happy to be able to have watched the Republican debate between such bright skillful politicians.

And likewise, he has attracted great Conservative minds here tonight unseen before on any other blog. Mr. Field, let me be the first to congratulate you. Congratulations, you deserve it!

NSangoma said...

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Oh, it is not on until tonight:

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2011-11-13-Gloria%20Cain/id-9a69902ed2d1410db3252ba76808e1e9
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field negro said...

"You don't think that there is a legitimate use for torture?"

No! Not when it's state sanctioned torture.

The scenerios you gave would affect me, an individual; of course I would do anything to get my wife back. That was a silly analogy; apples to grapefruits.

BTW, it has been proven that it doesn't work. Where have you been for the last five yars? Planet Wingnut?


" can't believe the Ford Theatre banned Bill O'Reilly's book. This country has lost its mind."

Yes, it has. The fact that O'Reilly has a number one selling book is proof of it.

La♥audiobooks said...

"No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright."

White Republicans are too racist to vote for Cain. They are using him as their racial leverage boy for sake of talking points. Talk is cheap, when they go to the polls they will show their true colors.

When Cain possibly loses by a landslide, they will flip the script and blame liberal whites for being racist, and liberal blacks for being too stupid to not know how racist liberal whites are suppose to be.

Anonymous said...

My, my. I just don't understand why those liberal FN Negroes keep telling themselves that the GOP is using Cain, --that he won't get the nomination when in reality he is out front?

They refuse to believe what is happening is 'really' happening! How do you talk to Black Liberals who refuse to accept things they way they are? But that's what Liberal FN Negroes do. Later, when they find out they were wrong, they will blame the system, but they will never admit they were wrong. I mean, look at Field: he still hasn't made his run on Broad St. and he "gave his word" he would if he was wrong! Just goes to show you how much the "word" of an Obamaholic is worth....ZERO.

I wonder what will they say when Cain "gets" the nomination? Why is it that some Negroes talk down Cain as if they were racists against a black man?

Anonymous said...

" can't believe the Ford Theatre banned Bill O'Reilly's book. This country has lost its mind."

Field replied, "Yes, it has. The fact that O'Reilly has a number one selling book is proof of it."
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Don't you think you are being unfair to Bill? I am reading his book now and I must say it is one of the best books I have ever read.

BTW, he was on the view, and even they were raving over his book. What do you have against an upright man like O'Reilly?

NSangoma said...

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Uh - OH, Ms Cain; hush yo' mouph chile:

A new witness in the Herman Cain sexual harassment scandal has hired powerhouse attorney, Gloria Allred, and will be holding a press conference on Monday afternoon in Shreveport, Louisiana, RadarOnline.com is exclusively reporting.
...
The new witness is a pediatrician, and a former boyfriend of Bialek's. The doctor was with Bialek when he met Cain. Bialek told her then-boyfriend that Cain had inappropriately touched her shortly after the alleged incident took place in Washington D.C. Cain has said, "I don't even know who this woman is."

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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/11/gloria-allred-holding-press-conference-with-witness-herman-cain-sex-scandal
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NSangoma said...

~
Read it and weep:

NBC is to announce on Monday morning that it has hired Chelsea Clinton to become a full-time special correspondent for NBC News.
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/business/media/chelsea-clinton-hired-by-nbc-news.html
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alicia banks said...

fn:

how is anything you listed worse than hobama's illegal endless wars, global civilian assassinations, executions for gold oil and opium etc?????

how????????

how is anything listed better than what hobama has done????...will do????



If Obama, makes the case for war and terror even after having consulted with Bill Kristol and his ilk, most progressives will go along with whatever he says without question, complaint, or protest. If as in the case of Libya, the dirty deed is done without a loss of American lives, as the president bragged after Gaddafi was killed by a raging mob, then so much the better. “Without putting a single U.S. service member on the ground, we achieved our objectives, and our NATO mission will soon come to an end.”

Americans love wars if they are short and sweet, don’t result in coffins covered by Old Glory, and are waged for what they consider to be noble motives. Obama got the evil tyrant routing down perfectly, and helped people who think of themselves as do gooders to justify their support for the horror inflicted upon Libya.



Perhaps it isn’t surprising that the man who is president at this momentous point in history would be a person who changes politics in such a negative way. The influence of money, the death of black politics, and the end of the financial system as we know it combine to insure that the person who emerges at the top of the political heap will be an unmitigated disaster. The question is, will we rise to the occasion and call him what he is.



http://blackagendareport.com/content/freedom-rider-obama-perfects-right-wing-policy



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alicia banks said...

n:

ditto!!!

more proof that msm = politico tv

msnbc = hobama tv...

shame!!!!!


http://whowhatwhy.com/author/russ-baker/

http://blackagendareport.com/

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alicia banks said...

mft:

the answer is

both!

hobama is a moron

and he is destroying the globe per the new world order

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Faliciabanks.xanga.com%2F732463009%2Fhobama-drama---the-poor-are-getting-poorer-and-the-middle-class-is-being-eradicated%2F&ei=SzbBTp3iM-emsAK64uC_BA&usg=AFQjCNFApO4qXbRM7e8a7fRjVwDm_TxRyA

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCkQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2F13-Bankers-Takeover-Financial-Meltdown%2Fdp%2F0307379051&ei=WTbBTtnGMYLDsQLXrOToBA&usg=AFQjCNHv6ZcBsp8MfreMJ2Dd0VIawFLoGw

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FObamanomics-Bankrupting-Enriching-Corporate-Lobbyists%2Fdp%2F1596986123&ei=ZzbBTrOOHa3_sQLSotzoBA&usg=AFQjCNGM8zcvsxOdjEqpxs66Ykk802LaUA

no slappz said...

field says:

BTW, it has been proven that it doesn't work. Where have you been for the last five yars? Planet Wingnut?

You're an idiot. Of course torture works. That's why it's used worldwide.

Maybe you're so delusional you forgot that there had been a $25 MILLION Reward for information leading to the capture of Osama bin Laden.

Well, the offer of $25 million yielded nothing. Get it? Paying people to talk failed. But the option was there.

No one in Pakistan -- our purported ally -- dropped the dime on bin Laden.

On the other hand, we caught Khalid Muhammad and we caught a few others, we tortured them and they talked. After a while, the information extracted by torture enabled US intelligence agencies to connect the dots and locate bin Laden.

Without torture, bin Laden would still be living his life, protected in Pakistan.

Meanwhile, even though bin Laden is dead, every time I go to the airport, I still have to go through the security check. Thus, the death of bin Laden has done nothing to make travel more pleasant.

no slappz said...

nsamgomea the coma says:

NBC is to announce on Monday morning that it has hired Chelsea Clinton to become a full-time special correspondent for NBC News.

Inasmuch as Chelsea is not good-looking, you know she was hired because NBC is in trouble and needs the good will of the Clintons.

She's got access to Bill and Hillary -- hence access to their private and professional lives.

NBC would have a tough time finding someone with better connections.

The MF Truth said...

field negro said...
BTW, it has been proven that it doesn't work. Where have you been for the last five yars? Planet Wingnut?
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Waterboarding worked. Ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who graciously shared very valuable information that led directly to stopping terrorist activities after a waterboarding session.

The public and provite scenarios are both legitimate. Capture a terrorist who knows where a bomb is set in a school, but won't tell. Would you sanction government torture to get the informaiton if it meant saving hundreds of children?

Waterboarding was done on a grand total of three very high value suspects: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, in 2002 and 2003. All three were very bad men who had done some very bad things. All three are alive and well today and residing at Camp Gitmo.

Anonymous said...

For Philadelphia to be such a great city, there are surely a lot of negative stories to come out of:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/11/woman-raped-at-occupy-philadelphia/

Anonymous said...

NSangoma said...
NBC is to announce on Monday morning that it has hired Chelsea Clinton to become a full-time special correspondent for NBC News.
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gotta stay unfair and biased, you know....

alicia banks said...

kosher kkk is like most american drones

too stupid to realize that osama was a ruse to make the tsa and every other erased freedom justifiable

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4ycP0TGFLdM&ei=eTnBTq_AGsuJsALShfjFBA&usg=AFQjCNHbiaEcL7HUeRRIjNB9Hq4qpIOZig

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NSangoma said...
Well shit, I missed that; no but then I do not watch FAUX Noose.
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no wonder you are so well-informed; you have those democrat talking points down pretty good.

don't miss chelsea's show today....

no slappz said...

pilot x-cretion:

Like I said, the US no longer elects presidents older than 60.

Romney is about 55. Perry is 60. Cain is 65.

The US does not elect presidents who have cancer.

Cain has cancer. The whole country will hear about it again and again in the primaries.

The US does not elect presidents who have never held an elective office.

Cain has never held elective office.

He's toast. It's just a matter of time and other people's money.

Obama must run against his own record -- which stinks.

Even his own party is ready to throw him off the ship.

Anonymous said...

alicia banks said...
kosher kkk is probably a gruesome mf who makes hillary look flaweless
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you make coco the gorilla look flawless!

Anonymous said...

La♥audiobooks said...
"No they don't believe that Mr. 9-9-9 will be prez, but, like all wingnuts, they are not too bright."

White Republicans are too racist to vote for Cain. They are using him as their racial leverage boy for sake of talking points. Talk is cheap, when they go to the polls they will show their true colors.

When Cain possibly loses by a landslide, they will flip the script and blame liberal whites for being racist, and liberal blacks for being too stupid to not know how racist liberal whites are suppose to be.


This is liberalism at it's finest. One of the ones attacking Cain and calling him a dumb nigger Tom is predicting that he will lose and when he does that people will "wrongly" say it was because of the attack of stupid Blacks and the ones who own and direct them the rich white liberal masters. Now, how can you predict that people will say precisely what you are doing and blame them in advance of stating the truth as if they haven't already been saying it?

Liberalism is a mental disorder.

no slappz said...

anon says:

Now, how can you predict that people will say precisely what you are doing and blame them in advance of stating the truth as if they haven't already been saying it?

Liberalism is a mental disorder.


Cain will fail to get nominated the same way all un-nominated candidates fail to get nominated -- too few votes in the primaries.

He's not electable due to age, illness and lack of experience.

Very simple.

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alicia banks said...

kosher kkk liar:

cain will fail because he has oj zipper issues

no more

no less

La♥pussy said...

Anonymous said...

Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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True is.

And La♥audiobooks is a moron.

PilotX said...

"Romney is about 55. Perry is 60. Cain is 65."

Obviously Np Slappz, like most conservatives, does not check facts before spouting talking points. Bet, it goes away for a while and then pretends this never happened. Let's share a few facts shall we? If, according to Slappz, Americans won't elect a prez over the age of 60 what does that mean? Obama will win because the only GOP candidates under 60 are Jon Huntsman Jr., Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum.
For the record Pretty Mitt is 64, that's a long way from "about 55". Jeezus, do wingnuts even know that we can read/hear what they've said in the past? Wow, slappz, your game used to be a little tighter.

alicia banks said...

hobama is one and done

no matter who the repubs show

ONLY re-selection can save hobama now

hobama's legacy: RESTORING repub rule post gwb....shame!!!!!!!!


4. The Political Ground Has Shifted Beneath the President’s Feet

A political lifetime has elapsed since Barack Obama’s election. Bailouts and big-government have yielded to tea parties and deficit angst. Gallup’s ideological identification survey registered the highest percentage of liberals in its history the year of Barack Obama’s election. Gallup’s most recent ideological identification survey registered its highest percentage of conservatives since the inaugural 1992 poll. Between the 2008 survey and last year’s, conservatives have gained seven points vis-à-vis liberals. To know liberalism isn’t to love it.
1. It’s Still the Economy, Stupid

The Misery Index, popularized by Governor Carter to hound President Ford only to be President Carter​’s undoing, haunts Democrats again. The combined unemployment and inflation rates are at their worst level in twenty-eight years. The stock market has just spent six weeks in the red. The GDP grows at an anemic rate of 1.8 percent. The housing market has been in shambles for five years, and seems to be double dipping. Debt approaches GDP. Flat-lining and nose-diving trend lines make the president’s reelection precarious. Even a browbeaten Bill Daley, the president’s chief of staff, conceded to an incensed National Association of Manufacturers convention, “Sometimes you can’t defend the indefensible.” He said it.

Barack Obama is a formidable campaigner. His presidency is not without accomplishment (see, Osama bin Laden). And occupants of the White House have lost general elections just five times in the last hundred years. But he has governed ineffectively and stubbornly against the wishes of the American people. He could win reelection. But the preponderance of indicators suggests his defeat. This should make conservatives hopeful for change

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=44311

NSangoma said...

~
Herman Cain is a fcuking cooning, baracoon, coon Negroe!!

Mother fcuk Herman Cain, the horse he rode in on and all the krackers that love him.

Enjoy the Cain minsrtrelsy whilst it lasts whidte folks.
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alicia banks said...

ditto 4 clarence

how is he hated worse than hobama????

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Faliciabanks.xanga.com%2F743836643%2Fdoubting-thomas-vs-denying-hobama%2F&ei=cFDBTs2WMq_IsQKyjeX2Cw&usg=AFQjCNGjTKg-yKvI4SGXx2HnyXsUdNNLEQ

Anonymous said...

NSangoma, it's not just Whites who love Herman Cain, Blacks and Latinos love him too. Obama is toast...FINISHED!

So, go ahead and use your extensive vocabulary of: MF, FU, and MFU...

Typical uneducated dumb liberal Negro. Your family must luv you, if you have one.

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alicia banks said...

kosher kkk:

bam!!!!!!!

cc this news asap to a black blog

he is young gifted and black

FNOTD

Twelve-year-old African-American student and Bronx native Justus Williams was named the youngest black national chess masters champion in the country.

Nicknamed the “Lebron James of chess,” Williams’ chess-playing skills have taken him to Brazil and Canada. He is not alone in his victories, however. Two other black 12-year-olds - Joshua Colas and James Black Jr. - joined Williams as masters champions, but Williams’ victory was the first. The young black chess masters have competed against champions ranging in age - up to over 50 years old.



http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/the_black_diaspora_news

PilotXHasAsmallPitotTube said...

PilotX The Human Hemmorhoid said...


"Romney is about 55. Perry is 60. Cain is 65."

Obviously Np Slappz, like most conservatives, does not check facts before spouting talking points. Bet, it goes away for a while and then pretends this never happened. Let's share a few facts shall we? If, according to Slappz, Americans won't elect a prez over the age of 60 what does that mean? Obama will win because the only GOP candidates under 60 are Jon Huntsman Jr., Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum.
For the record Pretty Mitt is 64, that's a long way from "about 55". Jeezus, do wingnuts even know that we can read/hear what they've said in the past? Wow, slappz, your game used to be a little tighter.


Yeah and dat ass o yours used to be tighter too..it ain't anymore whats your point chickenhawk...do you do anthin but talk shit? Anything positive to say? OF course not there is no positive in your life, your positiveness is ignoring your own shit and looking for someone else's blemish ..try keegles it works for the women who cry all the time like little bitch's, not sure how it would handle a human hemmorhoid like you though

Anonymous said...

FNOTD

Twelve-year-old African-American student and Bronx native Justus Williams was named the youngest black national chess masters champion in the country.

Nicknamed the “Lebron James of chess,” Williams’ chess-playing skills have taken him to Brazil and Canada. He is not alone in his victories, however. Two other black 12-year-olds - Joshua Colas and James Black Jr. - joined Williams as masters champions, but Williams’ victory was the first. The young black chess masters have competed against champions ranging in age - up to over 50 years old.



http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/the_black_diaspora_news

It's always newsworthy when something incredibly unusual and never before experienced has happened. Why has it taken so long for a token to shirk the actin white guilt and actually accomplish a thinking activity? Is he an anamoly of the black mind?

The Kobe Bryant of Chess said...

alicia banks said...
Nicknamed the “Lebron James of chess,”
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Why, because he never won a championship either?

upbuttsteve said...

PilotX said...
Wow, slappz, your game used to be a little tighter.
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So did your asshole, but who cares?

alicia banks said...

kkk assnons/kosher kkk:

u racist morons are all arrogantly ignorant

fix that asap

http://www.thechessdrum.net/historicmoments/HM_BlackChess/index.html

La♥audiobooks said...

"One of the ones attacking Cain and calling him a dumb nigger Tom is predicting that he will lose... "

Anony 10:57 am, I stated a theory that I suspect will eventually materialize based on the previous political/racial patterns of Republicans. You are the one making direct accusations that can easily be disproved. I have never called Cain a "dumb nigger Tom", or any other derogatory name for that matter. In fact I would never call another black person a "nigger", especially for your satisfaction.

What you stated was an exaggerated psychological projection based on your own inner thoughts about black people. I don’t recall anyone else calling Cain such a vile name. Furthermore, I consider myself neither Republican nor Democrat, fyi.


You know, I have asked you this question before, but you never answer... Are you an actual adult?

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no slappz said...

pilot x-zema said:

Let's share a few facts shall we? If, according to Slappz, Americans won't elect a prez over the age of 60 what does that mean?

Until 2008, US voters had not elected a senator to the presidency.

However, in 2008, when both the Republican and Democratic candidates were Senators, it was obvious electoral history was about to change.

Inasmuch as Romney is older than I thought, it's obvious that being under 60 will play a lesser role.

Perry is 60, Romney is 64. Huntsman is a long, long longshot and Bachmann is not a viable nominee.

Hence, the Republican nominee is going to be between 60 and 65.

Moreover, the Republican nominee will have held elective office and the nominee will be a candidate who has not had cancer.

As for whether Obama gets re-elected, well, his record is so bad that he knows he's in trouble.

He has failed to lead the economy to higher ground and he has failed to improve the national mood.

The Occupy Wall Street crowd spends its time spreading the message that incumbents are bad and that they take billions of dollars from lobbyists. Occupy Wall Street is getting a lot of media coverage, none of it good for Obama.

Many young voters will not vote for Obama or the Republican nominee. They will stay home on election day.

no slappz said...

anon said:

The young black chess masters have competed against champions ranging in age - up to over 50 years old.

Yeah, they played against older champs -- and lost.

No shame in losing to the older, better players.

Meanwhile, since chess has been around for a long time and absolutely nothing stops a black kid from becoming a player, the question is this: What took so long?

alicia banks said...

kudos to 3 black chess kings!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/crosswords/chess/chess-three-young-african-americans-earn-recognition-as-masters.html?_r=2&smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

alicia banks said...

kosher kkk:

u r very late as usual

u dumb racist bastard

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alicia banks said...

kosher kkk:

scan up

u late lying fool

and read a mf chess history book asap


HISTORICALLY SPEAKING

Historically, there have been some 40 bona fide black chess masters. Further, there are many more black senior masters than most people realize. Most players, black or white do not even realize that back in the 1850s there was a formidable black problemist. He was an African-American by the name of Theophilus Thompson, who put together a book of chess problems (albeit not a very good one, to the taste of bookseller Fred Wilson). Copies of the book are rare.

On the forget-me-not list is K.K. Karanga, the young African-American genius (literally) who made it before trudging off to study at Yale. It is not clear whether it was he or Howard Daniels who became the youngest African-American to make U.S. master. But, let's not get too far ahead of this fascinating story.

In 1963, America was on the verge of a cultural explosion that would touch our lives and alter its very social fabric. Even in the world of chess, with its then exclusive clubs and its odd assortment of esoteric warriors, a minor revolution had taken place. America produced its first black chess master. His name was Walt Harris, an unassuming, dedicated scientist who for some years worked at the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C., the nation's capitol and a strong urban chess center.

The Manny Pacquiao of Tic Tac Toe said...

Alicia Banks can't even win at checkers.

Sad.

The Theophilus Thompson of Cotton Picking said...

King me! Bitch!

alicia banks said...

lamer gamer:

is there anything u kkk mfs do not blatantly lie about???

ever????

NSangoma said...

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CNN Poll: Gingrich Surges to Tie Romney; Cain Slides
By Steven Shepard
Updated: November 14, 2011 | 12:44 p.m.
November 14, 2011 | 12:14 p.m.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich sit atop the GOP presidential field, according to a new CNN/ORC International poll released on Monday that also shows businessman Herman Cain's support beginning to fade.
Romney leads Gingrich in the poll, 24 percent to 22 percent, a significant surge for Gingrich, who was at just 8 percent a month ago. Romney, meanwhile, has slid two points, down from 26 percent in mid-October.
Cain is in third place, but he has fallen to 14 percent from 25 percent a month ago.

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/cnn-poll-gingrich-surges-to-tie-romney-cain-slides-20111114?mrefid=election2012
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Anonymous said...

La♥audiobooks said...
"One of the ones attacking Cain and calling him a dumb nigger Tom is predicting that he will lose... "

Anony 10:57 am, I stated a theory that I suspect will eventually materialize based on the previous political/racial patterns of Republicans. You are the one making direct accusations that can easily be disproved. I have never called Cain a "dumb nigger Tom", or any other derogatory name for that matter. In fact I would never call another black person a "nigger", especially for your satisfaction.

What you stated was an exaggerated psychological projection based on your own inner thoughts about black people. I don’t recall anyone else calling Cain such a vile name. Furthermore, I consider myself neither Republican nor Democrat, fyi.


You know, I have asked you this question before, but you never answer... Are you an actual adult?


What exactly is it when you call a Black man a Tom a compliment? Why when you hate this man not for what he stands for but for being Black and standing for the things he does makes him a Tom and not you? You and your liberal rich white masters are the ones going all out to attack him by calling him racist, jigging, Tom and yes I have heard dumb coon, nigger and the like. NOW you predict you will be held accountable for your actions - and somehow think this lets you off the hook because you predict it and will be able to twist it and blame someone else.

You have never asked me a thing but I will tell you, I am a responsible self accountable adult. Are you? Hiding behind the very thing you use - name calling and hateful rhetoric. Disgusting. When in doubt - play the victim.

Oh and that theory of your's is pretty astute; conservatives already blame you for the very thing you ARE DOING right now. Lynching a Black man, whithout proof because he is living proof you dont need to be victim and rely on your rich white liberal masters to take care of you just because they tell you that you are black and incompetent. So be scared - he has changed the theme.

Bucket Full of Crabs said...

NSarcoma said...
Cain is in third place, but he has fallen to 14 percent from 25 percent a month ago.
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You negroes cheering the character assasination of a black man are sick MF's, singing all the live-long day down on the plantation.

David Axelrod strikes again.

Zip a dee doo-dah....

Desertflower said...

Bill Bakken said...
Don't you remember The Bush Administration's efforts to open up Alaskan ANWR drilling areas being stymied by the democrat congress?
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Yes I do vaguely remember something of the sort, because I don't pay too much attention to politics anymore.

It just seems to me that no one in politics really cares about the countrys weel being anymore.
Just warring and gaining oil and power.

Desertflower said...

Anonymous said...
You make cakes for people? How much do you charge for a cake? I would like to order a PR Cake Special, to be shipped to LAA in the VIs. And while you are at it, would you mind including some tacos from Taco Bell with the order?
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I can do one better, I can make her a cake in the shape of a Taco Bell burrito or taco or whatever she likes from there!

But it'll cost you :D

alicia banks said...

kosher kkk:

no kkkomment???

why so mute brute????

In New York’s Jewish neighborhoods, the fear is palpable and the evidence mounting that there’s a surge in anti-Semitism.


Sixty-three-year-old Lieb Potok recalls being threatened by two hate-spewing men as he walked home in Midwood, Brooklyn, last Monday.

“Two guys, they followed me two blocks the other day saying ‘dirty Jew’ and cursing about Israel, things like that,” he said.

“There is a feeling we are truly not safe.”

In Borough Park, Brooklyn, on Friday, just as three cars were torched in Potok’s neighborhood, someone used a key to etch a swastika into the lobby door of an apartment building on17th Ave.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn-jews-edge-uptick-hate-crimes-article-1.977087#ixzz1diXrwV3g

PilotX said...

What no Slappz said a few hours ago.
"Hence, the Republican nominee is going to be between 60 and 65."


What Slappz said a day ago.

"The US no longer elects presidents over the age of 60."




So why should we believe anything you say? Is flip flopping another conservative trait to go along with the lack of fact checking? Interesting.

PilotX said...

Actuall put the two comments together and Slappz predicts another four years of Obama. You read it here first folks.

The PilotX of Thinking said...

Resist we much!

La♥audiobooks said...

Anony 3:36, are you unable to comprehend basic English? For the last time I am not a Republican, nor a "Democrat/liberal", I do not have white masters and I have never called Herman Cain out of his name. Are you hearing voices? Would you prefer pig Latin?


" I would like to order a PR Cake Special, to be shipped to LAA in the VIs. And while you are at it, would you mind including some tacos from Taco Bell with the order? '

LOL. How did I miss this. Wise Anony, you are so sweet. Thank you. Our VI mail has to go through PR anyway (but please pay DF first, don’t let her send the cake COD. :)

Occupy the White House said...

The Keystone Pipeline project was expected to create up to 1,000,000 high-paying US jobs in the oil refining, petrochemical, and associated industries. The project itself would create 20,000 construction jobs.

But Obama, for purely political reasons, refused to sign the Keystone agreement last week. Today Canadian Prime Minister Harper told Obama that he would look to Asia to sell its oil:

Canada’s prime minister says he made it clear in a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama that Canada will step up its efforts to sell oil to Asia since the Obama administration delayed a decision on an oil pipeline.

As Obama's crony-capitalist, green energy boondoggles fail one by one, and wind and solar technology is shown to be not ready for prime time, this will mean we have to buy more oil from the Middle East. And more jobs will go to China.

It is absolutely clear Obama is trying to destroy our economy. No one is this dumb.

no slappz said...

occupy the white house:

The Keystone Pipeline project -- as designed -- would have used the Quanta Services corporation of Houston to build much of the line.

Quanta said the project would require 13,000 employees -- people who earn high wages for their labors.

Of course there would be many permanent employees to maintain and operate the pipeline.

Clearly Obama is out to destroy the country.

If the day comes during his administration that solar power is actually forced on American consumers, then the price of sunny land on which solar panels are placed will jump, which will make the price of electricity from the sun even more expensive.

Currently, the price of solar energy is equal to oil if oil were $500 a barrel.

no slappz said...

pilot x-crement:

Ronal Reagan was 70 when elected.

George H.W, Bush -- Bush 41 -- was 64 when he was elected.

Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama were under 60. Thus, a trend toward younger presidents.

McCain, as a candidate, was heavily critized about his age -- 72.

Anyway, appearances matter. McCain looked old.

Romney and Perry do not look old.

Most likely Romney will be the nominee.

He has already made it clear he can put the nation back on the right economic track.

Obama has made it painfully clear that he is refusing to put the nation's economy back on track.

uptownsteve said...

LAA

"White Republicans are too racist to vote for Cain. They are using him as their racial leverage boy for sake of talking points. Talk is cheap, when they go to the polls they will show their true colors."

FOR REAL.

Uncle Herman ran for Senator from Georgia and was leading in the polls up till election time.

Then got trounced.

Come to think about it, when has a black Republican won statewide anywhere at the top of the ticket?

One more question.

Has Slappy or any of the anon-goobers EVER VOTED for a black Republican candidate?

If so, who?

Off With His Head said...

" Occupy the White House said...
The Keystone Pipeline project was expected to create up to 1,000,000 high-paying US jobs in the oil refining, petrochemical, and associated industries. The project itself would create 20,000 construction jobs.

But Obama, for purely political reasons, refused to sign the Keystone agreement last week. Today Canadian Prime Minister Harper told Obama that he would look to Asia to sell its oil:

Canada’s prime minister says he made it clear in a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama that Canada will step up its efforts to sell oil to Asia since the Obama administration delayed a decision on an oil pipeline.

As Obama's crony-capitalist, green energy boondoggles fail one by one, and wind and solar technology is shown to be not ready for prime time, this will mean we have to buy more oil from the Middle East. And more jobs will go to China.

It is absolutely clear Obama is trying to destroy our economy. No one is this dumb.

4:55 PM"


That's damn near treason, in this economy.

uptownsteve said...

"He (Romney) has already made it clear he can put the nation back on the right economic track"

How so Slappy?

What is Romney's plan specifically?

Lance Morningwood said...

no_slappz said..
Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama were under 60. Thus, a trend toward younger presidents.
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Actually, I think they were all under 50, which is even more of a trend.

Affirmative Action Jackson said...

uptownsteve said...
What is Romney's plan specifically?
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Basically, it involves removing restrictions on private companies, cutting red tape, providing incentives for hiring, tax reform, removing distortions in the marketplace caused by subsidies (corporate welfare), killing Obamacare and lowering the government debt burden.

Stuff you wouldn't understand.

Don't you have a discrimination grievance to fill out or something? Maybe that lady in the cubicle next to you has another company phone list for you to alphabetize.

Please leave the thinking to the grown ups.

uptownsteve said...

Sorry AA Goober

Despite rightwing yelping, corporate regulations have little effect on job creation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/does-government-regulation-really-kill-jobs-economists-say-overall-effect-minimal/2011/10/19/gIQALRF5IN_story.html?hpid=z1&wpisrc=nl_wonk

Anonymous said...

"I can do one better, I can make her a cake in the shape of a Taco Bell burrito or taco or whatever she likes from there!

But it'll cost you :D"

Don't worry about the cost, just bill me. Actually, I thought since the holidays are around the corner, you would do it for free in the spirit of XMAS. But I see you missed part of your Catholic upbringing about "giving".:D

Nevertheless, as soon as LAA lets me know she received the cake, 'the check will be in the mail.'

I like the cake in the shape of a taco...make that a Supreme Taco! Oh boy! LAA is going to be sooo happy. Laa, don't forget to send a slice of cake to no_slappz...afterall, Hanukkah is coming.:)

NSangoma said...

~
...
Zuckerman stated that Bialek had met with Cain after losing her job in the late 1990's and "when she returned, she was upset. She said that something had happened and that Mr. Cain had touched her in an inappropriate manner. She said she handled it, but didn’t want to talk about it any further. I respected her request."

Notably, Zuckerman claimed the issue had not been raised since, but that when the first report about the allegations against Cain were published he called Bialek to find out if she was one of the accusers. She wasn't. Zuckerman then said he recommended Bialek get in touch with Gloria Allred.

Zuckerman also noted he was a registered Republican, had filed for bankruptcy, and finished by asking the press to stop calling his office.

...
http://www.businessinsider.com/gloria-allreds-herman-cain-boyfriend-accuser-2011-11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/victor-zuckerman-gives-press-conference-with-gloria-allred-on-herman-cain/2011/11/14/gIQA1U5OLN_blog.html
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/11/herman-cain-accuser-gloria-allred-news-conference-/1
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Affirmative Action Jackson said... said...

uptownsteve said...
Despite rightwing yelping, corporate regulations have little effect on job creation.
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I'm sorry Steve, but only an idiot or a Washington Post reporter could think that increasing costs on an operation would not adversely affect the amount of resources it devote to wages.

And, for Pete's sake man, close your mouth.

Anonymous said...

uts, "Come to think about it, when has a black Republican won statewide anywhere at the top of the ticket?"

Have you heard of Michael Steele, JC Watts from Oklahoma? I could go with a longer list, but I'll give you time to digest and google those two.

Dr.Queen said...

Oh my, Gingrich is #2?

Obama 2012

uptownsteve said...

Anon-FOOL

"Have you heard of Michael Steele, JC Watts from Oklahoma? I could go with a longer list, but I'll give you time to digest and google those two."

Lt. Governor and congressman is not STATEWIDE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET you freakin idiot.

When Steele ran for the US Senate from Maryland he got trounced.

While getting over 30% of the black vote.

Anonymous said...

uts, "Has Slappy or any of the anon-goobers EVER VOTED for a black Republican candidate?"

Of course. I have done it quite frequently.

uts-"If so, who?"

Now, why should I tell you? This is America where Voting is a confidential matter. But I can tell you this: in 2012 I will be voting for Herman Cain. And that should be ample proof of Republicans voting for Blacks.

Anonymous said...

Uts, Anon-FOOL

"Have you heard of Michael Steele, JC Watts from Oklahoma? I could go with a longer list, but I'll give you time to digest and google those two."

Lt. Governor and congressman is not STATEWIDE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET you freakin idiot."

See? this is why Republicans refuse to discuss matters with name-calling Liberal black Dem fools like you. You don't know how to have an intelligent conversation with intelligent Republicans because you are an out-of-control ghetto maniac living in the burbs. You remind us all on FN of Black Beverly Hillbillies...only worse!

field negro said...

"You negroes cheering the character assasination of a black man are sick MF's, singing all the live-long day down on the plantation."

What "black man"?


"But Obama, for purely political reasons, refused to sign the Keystone agreement last week."

Good for him.

This is an oil company boondoggle.
The jobs created will be temporary, and this dirty oil will NOT reduce oil dependency in this country. The oil produced will go into the world markets.

Mr. Obama, the people in places like Nebraska would like to thank you for making sure that their children will have clean drinking water for years to come.

uptownsteve said...

Anon-Imbecile

"Now, why should I tell you?"

Because it would give you some credibility.

But of course we know you are full of guano.

Anonymous said...

uts-"Lt. Governor and congressman is not STATEWIDE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET you freakin idiot."

Well, it's close enough. Politics are politics.

Brother Steve, I hope no_slappz teaches you a real good lesson on how some people view a bm like you.

field negro said...

"Have you heard of Michael Steele, JC Watts from Oklahoma? I could go with a longer list, but I'll give you time to digest"

Both are true. Can you give me some more? Here, I will help you get started: Michael Williams in Texas.....

Anonymous said...

"You negroes cheering the character assasination of a black man are sick MF's, singing all the live-long day down on the plantation."

Field-"What "black man"?


"But Obama, for purely political reasons, refused to sign the Keystone agreement last week."

Field-"Good for him".
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Field, You should be an ambassador for civil intelligent dialogue but you are encouraging anarchy while the Conservatives are genuinely being civil and fair.

field negro said...

UTS, I think I gave our friend credit where it might not be due:( OK, let's scrap Steele. Can you still give me some more?

field negro said...

"Field, You should be an ambassador for civil intelligent dialogue but you are encouraging anarchy while the Conservatives are genuinely being civil and fair."

I am trying, but you all do make it hard.

Occupy the White House said...

field negro said...
"The jobs created will be temporary, and this dirty oil will NOT reduce oil dependency in this country. The oil produced will go into the world markets."

No sir, these are permanent jobs we are talking about (or as permanent as jobs get).

You are correct in that it would not reduce oil dependency fore America, but nothing will, short of a major discovery of pixie dust and unicorn farts.

At least we would be shipping billions of dollars to friendly Canada rather than to people who hate us in the Middle East.

Believe me, i work in the energy industry, this pipeline is a good thing for America.

uptownsteve said...

Yeah, Texas Railroad Commissioner.

LMAO!

When has a black Republican won a Governorship or a Senate seat?

In 2010, about a dozen Coon-servatives ran for Congress and TWO actually won.

Backed by the Tea Party and the elections were close.

uptownsteve said...

Field,

"UTS, I think I gave our friend credit where it might not be due"

Yeah.

Where's Lynn Swann and Ken Blackwell today?

Captain Jack said...

uptownsteve said...
When has a black Republican won a Governorship or a Senate seat?
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Ok, ok, we get the point uptown: blacks aren't very high achievers.

They are good at sports though, and it doesn't mean we should prevent them from having a shot at success.

NSangoma said...

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Herman Cain stumbles badly on Libya question

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57324556-503544/herman-cain-stumbles-badly-on-libya-question/
http://www.youtube.com/politics?utm_source=SEM&utm_medium=SKWS&utm_campaign=Politics
http://www.youtube.com/politics?utm_source=SEM&utm_medium=SKWS
http://www.youtube.com/politics?utm_source=SEM
`

La♥audiobooks said...

I can't stop laughing at this piece of work.

"What exactly is it when you call a Black man a Tom a compliment? Why when you hate this man not for what he stands for but for being Black and standing for the things he does makes him a Tom and not you? You and your liberal rich white masters are the ones going all out to attack him by calling him racist, jigging, Tom and yes I have heard dumb coon, nigger and the like. "

As if you'd give a raccoon's ass about what names are being directed towards a black man or any other black person. I can sniff reverse psychology on top of racial exploitation from a mile away. You are fooling no one.

uptownsteve said...

"Ok, ok, we get the point uptown: blacks aren't very high achievers.

US President?

Anonymous said...

You mean that half-white Kenyan guy?

LMAO!!!!

La♥audiobooks said...
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field negro said...

"Ok, ok, we get the point uptown: blacks aren't very high achievers.

They are good at sports though, and it doesn't mean we should prevent them from having a shot at success."

Stay away from flames Captain Jack, your straw man might burn.

"US President?"

UTS, why did you remind him? Now the poor guy is going to run the next black person he sees off the road. :)

NSangoma, I saw that, and it was painful to watch.

I am actually starting to feel sorry for Mr. 9-9-9.

La♥audiobooks said...

'Laa, don't forget to send a slice of cake to no_slappz...afterall, Hanukkah is coming.:)'

I dunno. No-slappz once said that he's always seeing black women on the subway reading "trashy novels", and he said that black women are always in the "bars" trying to pick up men. No-slappz sure pays a lot of attention to black women in odd places.

For my safety, I'll be sure to leave out my return address.

Anonymous said...

La♥audiobooks said...
I can't stop laughing at this piece of work.

"What exactly is it when you call a Black man a Tom a compliment? Why when you hate this man not for what he stands for but for being Black and standing for the things he does makes him a Tom and not you? You and your liberal rich white masters are the ones going all out to attack him by calling him racist, jigging, Tom and yes I have heard dumb coon, nigger and the like. "

As if you'd give a raccoon's ass about what names are being directed towards a black man or any other black person. I can sniff reverse psychology on top of racial exploitation from a mile away. You are fooling no one.

Methinks that smell is coming from an orifice that is a lot closer to you. Brush those "liberal" teeth lately?

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...
Anon-FOOL

"Have you heard of Michael Steele, JC Watts from Oklahoma? I could go with a longer list, but I'll give you time to digest and google those two."

Lt. Governor and congressman is not STATEWIDE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET you freakin idiot.

When Steele ran for the US Senate from Maryland he got trounced.

While getting over 30% of the black vote.


Oh my --70% of blacks did not vote for Steele? Racism I tell ya, or as Steve the fairymaster would say (nice picture fruitcake) Dat shit beezzzzzzz wacist.

uptownsteve said...

Anon-Goober

Stop dribbling fool.

What Republican would lose ANYWHERE if they got 30% of the black vote?

The Repubs in Maryland either sat out or voted for the white Democrat rather than vote for a black at the top of the ticket.

Desertflower said...

Anonymous said...
Don't worry about the cost, just bill me. Actually, I thought since the holidays are around the corner, you would do it for free in the spirit of XMAS. But I see you missed part of your Catholic upbringing about "giving".:D
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Ahahahaha! Sure "the old "spirit of holiday giving" line.
and the old "check is in the mail" line ahahahahaha.

I'm like the soup Nazi"no cake for you" :p

PilotX said...

"Have you heard of Michael Steele, JC Watts from Oklahoma? I could go with a longer list, but I'll give you time to digest and google those two."

Ha! I'll give you time to digest those two because they are the only two I know of.
No need to thank me.

PilotX said...

"Most likely Romney will be the nominee."

I get it but you contradicted yourself.
So Slappz make it easy for me, do you mean you were mistaken that America won't elect someone over 60 or you're saying Obama will win. Which is it? Romney is 64.

Also curious what the next excuse is on why Cain won't get the nomination because he's just 1 year older than Romney. And don't get testy with me, you're the one who stated your so called "facts" that turned out to be (shock of all shocks) wrong. Answer my questions.

Anonymous said...

field negro said...
"I am actually starting to feel sorry for Mr. 9-9-9."

Instead of covering up his gaffes like they do for Obama (eg. "I think I've ben to 57 states now"), the MSM pounds old Hermann.

Rumpled Foreskin said...

uptownsteve said...
What Republican would lose ANYWHERE if they got 30% of the black vote?
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One running in Vermont.

uptownsteve said...

Problem is there are only 3 blacks in Vermont.

Desertflower said...

"Rumpled Foreskin" ahahahahaha! where/how do you come up with all these names???:)))))