Sunday, December 13, 2015

When terrorists become "loners".

Image result for coachella mosque burned images*So the terrorist who set fire to that mosque (Islamic Society of Coachella Valley) in California has been arrested. And, as is to be expected, he is being called a loner by his parents and others.

This would be incorrect of course, because the young terrorist had lots of company and encouragement to carry out his act of terror. (There were actually four people in the mosque when he tried to burn it, but fortunately they were not hurt.) He was not acting in a vacuum. He had the words of people like Donald trump ringing in his ear, and he has been living in a climate of  bigotry and xenophobia brought on by fear over the past few months.  (BTW, this might be a good time to remind you racists xenophobes out there that Sikhs are not Muslims.)

Imagine for a second if young Mr. Dial's name was Aalil and not James, and if he had set fire to a  
Christian church. There would be more wall to wall coverage on all the cable news shows, and pundits would be doing their best to remind Americans why we should be living in fear because of yet another terrorist attack from those evil Muslims..  

Anyway, good for the parents of  the terrorist  for refusing to post bail for him.

"We will supply him with money for the commissary. We have no plans to bail him out. He's an adult," Dial's father, John Dial, told NBC News Saturday. "We both said right there, we said to him, I hope you like reading books, because you're in it for the long haul. He's a man."

John Dial said his son is innocent until proven guilty, but, "If he's charged with this, he's going to be responsible, as an adult," he said. "

Mr. and Mrs. Dial, the first thing you should do when your son comes home is to take him to right wingers anonymous. Hopefully they will be able to cure him of  that very sick disease known as racism.

*Pic from nbcnews.com





89 comments:

Josh said...

So, he acted alone. He had no accomplices. He was part of no group. He wasn't making some grand political gesture to get through any sort of faux revolutionary measure. But he's not a loner because...Donald Trump.

Was a time years ago I thought to myself, "Field's politics might be different than mine, but at least the guy has his head on straight and isn't a progressive lunatic playing identity politics as part of the collective."

More egg on my face than a low-rent porn star in a bukakke video.

The right-wing rhetoric made him do it! Kinda like Palin's "target" map. lol

You win. I ragequit.

But a second to last note: If you folks never believe me or take me seriously on anything I ever say in my life, as least take this seriously: It's NOT RACISM! Holy shit. Did any of you ever take biology or any other class that illuminated global racial demographics? Hint: Skin color =/= race. There's no "white" race or "black" race or "brown" race. How the fuck can (a) people be racist against an ideology, and (b) against people of the same race (Caucasoid)?

On a last note: When's the last time anyone's parents from the other side of the spectrum ever said anything 'cept 'n that he was a "good boy"?

Wesley R said...

People like Trump and (White) Right Wing Media have been inflaming the nut jobs to do something like this and I see today that 17% OF Black Folks have a favorable view of Trump. What the hell?

Anonymous said...

Brother Field, why is they can caught the ones who set fire to Mosques but can't catch nobody who burn down black churches? The only thing I can figure out about this is Christian churches aren't that important.

Blame whitey said...

Seems like only yesterday FN was pissing and moaning about alleged lies and mischaracterizations regarding the black lives movement. FN told us we shouldn't blame a whole movement for the actions of their followers.

Today we have FN (with no proof at all) blaming Trump and the right for the actions of this guy.


Double standards much????





Speaking of arson and church burnings, field, i see you haven't post about the arrest made in the church burnings you posted about amonth ago. I wonder why?????? Was the guy arrest black??? Cause if he was white you would have posted about the arrest and warning blacks about those evil whites.




Casie Priest said...

Is actually quite human for those Edomites to not bail out their son. I'm shocked!

Anonymous said...

Donald Trump is no racist. He just wants to make sure our country is secure before we allow any Muslims or immigrants in.

Also, I know for a fact he has a high regard for Blacks. Recently he made it clear that his favorite Justice of the Supreme Court is Justice Clarence Thomas. He also said the worst Justice was Justice Roberts.

In a Barbara Walters interview he said that he was 'definitely' not a bigot. IMO, Trump will be the next President because he is the right person for the job for these times.

Anonymous said...

Anon9:32pm It's not just "Christian Churches" it's BLACK Christian Churches. Actually, it has nothing to do with Churches, it has to do with being black in America.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Mr. and Mrs. Dial, the first thing you should do when your son comes home is to take him to right wingers anonymous. Hopefully they will be able to cure him of that very sick disease known as racism."

Too bad there's no such thing as Right-wingers Anonymous. We badly need such an organization, given how detached from reality the American right wing has become.

Anonymous said...

"Seems like only yesterday FN was pissing and moaning about alleged lies and mischaracterizations regarding the black lives movement. FN told us we shouldn't blame a whole movement for the actions of their followers."

Black Lives Matter do not generally advocate hatred of white people or hatred of the police. They only want police who engage in misconduct to be held accountable.

It appears right-wingers do increasingly stand for Islamophobia. Hatred for Muslims is getting close to being an official Republican Party platform plank. You have to dig deep to find a Republican who will admit, on the record, that Muslims are not evil incarnate. The only debate seems to be about exactly how badly we should abuse them: Should we merely restrict their civil liberties or should we burn them in the public square?

Anonymous said...


Too bad there's no such thing as Right-wingers Anonymous. We badly need such an organization, given how detached from reality the American right wing has become.

10:13 PM
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Oh, I see. The Left has a really good grasp on reality and the Right doesn't? Well, we'll see at election time. Personally, I wouldn't follow Obama to an outhouse when I really needed to go.

Democrats are the most untrustworthy party known. Toally lost in a maze of deception and lies. Hillary is the biggest of them all.

I can't imagine Hillary EVER becoming President against ANY of the GOP candidates. And "no", I am not a Republican.

James Bold said...

"why is they can caught the ones who set fire to Mosques but can't catch nobody who burn down black churches?"

They did catch the guy who burned the Black churches in St. Louis.  You didn't hear about it because it was a Black guy and the media dropped it like a hot potato.  (I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Whitey for this too.)

"the young terrorist had lots of company and encouragement to carry out his act of terror. (There were actually four people in the mosque when he tried to burn it, but fortunately they were not hurt.) He was not acting in a vacuum. He had the words of people like Donald trump ringing in his ear, and he has been living in a climate of bigotry and xenophobia brought on by fear over the past few months."

Amazing!  Field looks at the arsonist's alleged motivations, and he doesn't see Syed Farook and Tafsheen Malik.  He doesn't see Maj. Nidal Hasan.  He doesn't see Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad.  He doesn't see the illegal aliens Eljvir, Dritan and Shain Duka, planners of an attack on Ft. Dix.  He doesn't see the nineteen 9/11 hijackers.  Somehow he misses all of these and sees... DONALD TRUMP!

I'd say Field needs to have his vision checked, but none is so blind as WILL NOT see.

"Imagine for a second if young Mr. Dial's name was Aalil and not James"

We don't have to.  We know the enemedia would bury the story immediately, just like it buried Clock Boy's connections to the jihadist mosque and CAIR.

"Black Lives Matter do not generally advocate hatred of white people"

Is that why BLM-offshoot Black Brunch made a point of harassing people out Eating While White?

"or hatred of the police."

I seem to recall "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon".  Was I imagining that?  Um, no.

The problem the Left has with the Internet is that it makes lies ever-harder to hide.  Those who recoil from inconvenient truths have nowhere to hide in an age of transparency.

Bill said...


The FieldNegro said...
Hopefully they will be able to cure him of that very sick disease known as racism.


What racism are you talking about?

Are you considering islam a race?

PilotX said...

Glad they caught the guy because there is obviously not a problem with the vast vast majority of Muslims living in merica. The media has a stake in stoking fear in all of us and it's our fault if we take the bait and many of us aren't.

Josh is a she? said...

More egg on my face than a low-rent porn star in a bukakke video.
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Josh is one weird dude. He seems to enjoy the female pornstar analogies. Hmmmmmmmm.

The Purple Cow said...

"Then you say: They have successful economies, whilst yours is fucked.

WHICH IS THE EXACT POINT I FUCKING MADE!"


As usual Josh, you are totally missing the point.

It's giving people "free shit" as you call it that makes economies work.

James Bold said...

"It's giving people "free shit" as you call it that makes economies work."

Wrong, TPC.  Economies that work arise from people making stuff.  The Potempkin economies of Black communities fall apart without "free shit", but the people who produce it are better off without that "redistribution" (theft)... and without the useless Blacks who can't survive without it.

Hunting gazelles with fire-hardened spear points, digging roots with sticks and thatching the roofs of huts with wattle-and-daub walls is about the level you can sustain on your own.  Anything else requires outside support, and is only non-parasitic so long as Blacks allow outside organizational skills to make more productive.  As we all know, in today's 'hood this is not just ignored but actively denigrated.

Yisheng said...

@ Bill since whooteemoos hate Muslims for being Muslim, why don't you ask them if Islam is a race? Better yet why don't you ask them if they think they are the SAME race as many Muslims who consider themselves WHITE.

anotherbozo said...

Right Wingers Anonymous: and here I thought that was just my own private fantasy! In mine it's more like a single interrogation room there's a chair (equipped with manacles and sometimes electrodes to insure I get responses to my questions). And questioning can go on for hours, interspersed with power point presentations, slides, film clips and factoids. I encourage debate but won't accept unsubstantiated opinion. I've had everyone from William Buckley to Dick Cheney sitting and responding to my probing, being asked to question their basic assumptions about the role of government and their psychological assumptions about the citizenry.

Come to think of it, mine is patterned more on 70's consciousness-raising therapies than AA. Holding up a mirror to these guys (and gals) is the most brutal thing you could do with them, I think. Most of their failure is a lack of moral imagination, empathy, and that's probably based on a lack of honesty, unwillingness to look at their basic assumptions.

The Purple Cow said...

"Economies that work arise from people making stuff. "

Correct, which is why you should help them make even more stuff by giving them free healthcare, free education, free contraception and free childcare.

Logical if you think about it. (Not that logic or thinking are your strong suits, little Jimmy.)

James Bold said...

"which is why you should help them make even more stuff"

The people in question (I don't call them "humans") often make no stuff at all.

"by giving them free healthcare, free education, free contraception and free childcare."

They've had free healthcare for decades.  They don't pay for things.
They had free education all along, and it was even desegregated 60 years ago.  They turned formerly top-flight schools into war zones graduating illiterates.
They get free contraception.  Their abortion rate is still 50%.
They get free childcare of a sort; the baby daddies and baby mamas abdicate their responsibilities to the grandparents (almost always grandmothers), who get paid to watch kiddies instead of working.


In sum, the ancestors of today's hood rats were far more productive when they were put to work picking cotton as soon as they could carry a sack.  They were somewhat productive and having to work to feed themselves kept them out of trouble at least part of the time.

"Logical if you think about it."

Stupid because absolutely opposite to decades of experience.

"(Not that logic or thinking are your strong suits, little Jimmy.)"

Whereas your "logic" says that the highest-in-nation school spending in some ghetto-ridden city in New Jersey (I'm not sure if it's Camden or Newark) would produce sky-high graduation rates with the top fifth of each class being accepted to Ivies; experience is that they become felons and unwed mothers, all unemployable.  You aren't compelled to accept experience because you aren't paying for it.  Would that you were, your tune would change immediately.

Anonymous said...

"They did catch the guy who burned the Black churches in St. Louis. You didn't hear about it because it was a Black guy and the media dropped it like a hot potato. (I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Whitey for this too.)"

The Black guy was mentally disturbed as discovered by a psychiatrist and supported by several psycho-analysts. This disturbed young black man had the veil of the American dream ripped away from him early in his childhood by police brutality and white racism.

Make no mistake about it, racism has been the human culprit since the birth of this nation. And when it was born, slavery and racism was born and has continued to this day. It will never end because racism has people like you in its grips.

In fact, racism is growing and showing its power. It seems NOTHING can stop it. No amount of mental logic can defeat it because the problem lies in the human heart, which is far more powerful than the weak mind could ever be.

So, you are not alone in your assessment that racism will point to Whites because that's where it gets its power.

The Fixer said...

Wrong, TPC. Economies that work arise from people making stuff. The Potempkin economies of white communities fall apart without "free shit", but the people who produce it are better off without that "redistribution" (theft)... and without the useless whites who can't survive without it.

Hunting gazelles with fire-hardened spear points, digging roots with sticks and thatching the roofs of huts with wattle-and-daub walls is about the level you can sustain on your own. Anything else requires outside support, and is only non-parasitic so long as whites allow outside organizational skills to make more productive. As we all know, in today's 'trailer parks this is not just ignored but actively denigrated.


There, fixed it.

The Purple Cow said...

Little Jimmy, every time I think I get a handle on how dumb you are, you go off an a rant like this and I have to downgrade my assessment.

Is it truly your view that African Americans get free university education, free healthcare and free child care? Really?? You have evidence for that?

**
"Whereas your "logic" says that the highest-in-nation school spending in some ghetto-ridden city in New Jersey (I'm not sure if it's Camden or Newark) would produce sky-high graduation rates with the top fifth of each class being accepted to Ivies; experience is that they become felons and unwed mothers, all unemployable."

If you are going to lie Little Jimmy, at least make your lies less easily refuted.

The USA is one of only three nations in the OECD (Turkey and Israel being the others) where poor children have higher pupil to teacher ratios than rich kids. All the other 31 nations poor kids have equal or better ratios than rich kids.

"“The United States is one of few advanced nations where schools serving better-off children usually have more educational resources than those serving poor students,” writes Eduardo Porter for the New York Times. This is because a large percentage of funding for public education comes not from the federal government, but from the property taxes collected in each school district. Rich kids, then, get more lavish educations.

This means differences in how much we spend per student both across and within states. New York, for example, spends about $19,000 per student. In Tennessee they spend $8,200 and in Utah $5,321. Money within New York, is also unequally distributed: $25,505 was spent per student in the richest neighborhoods, compared to $12,861 in the poorest."


source: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/12/08/u-s-rare-in-spending-more-money-on-the-education-of-rich-children/

The Fixer said...

Whereas your "logic" says that the highest-in-nation school spending in some trailer-ridden redneckville in West Virginia (I'm not sure if it's BFE or Whootieville) would produce sky-high graduation rates with the top fifth of each class being accepted to Ivies; experience is that they become felons and unwed mothers, all unemployable. You aren't compelled to accept experience because you aren't paying for it. Would that you were, your tune would change immediately.


There, fixed it.

James Bold smells like his mom's rotten cootch said...

James Not Bold's unemployed ass is living off my taxes and is talking about free shit? The irony is thick here. The dumbest of the dumb in the white race is the first to talk. Sad, if he would spend as much time studying for his GED as he does insulting negroes he might be able to move out of his mom's basement but that's how trailer trash rolls I guess.

The Fixer said...

Whereas your "logic" says that the highest-in-nation school spending in some ghetto-ridden city in New Jersey (I'm not sure if it's Camden or Newark) would produce sky-high graduation rates with the top fifth of each class being accepted to Ivies; experience is that they become felons and unwed mothers, all unemployable. You aren't compelled to accept experience because you aren't paying for it. Would that you were, your tune would change immediately.


It was right the first time.

True Dat said...

Wrong, TPC. Economies that work arise from people making stuff. The Potempkin economies of Black communities fall apart without "free shit", but the people who produce it are better off without that "redistribution" (theft)... and without the useless Blacks who can't survive without it.

Anonymous said...

This guy wasn't a "loner" or a "terrorist", he was a hero.

If the people of the West weren't prevented by brainwashing from understanding what the importation of Islam meant for their progeny's future, they'd burn down every single Mosque in their countries today.

The Left Has No Clothes said...

You can't make leftwing stupidity up... Star Wars is racist. And black men are like Chewbacca...

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/melissa-harris-perry-star-wars-racist-because-darth-vader-black

The Left Has No Clothes said...

Washington Post: ‘Hands Up, Don’t Shoot’ One of Biggest Lies of 2015

http://www.mediaite.com/print/washington-post-hands-up-dont-shoot-one-of-biggest-lies-of-2015/


With so many lies coming from the left this year it's hard to pick which should be lie of the year. I would vote for this one.

uptownsteve said...

Why did I know the all the usual goober suspects would be here today explaining, dissecting and blabbering excuses about the actions of this white male TERRORIST???

The hypocrisy is jaw dropping.

Anonymous said...

This is what you get when you put negroes in charge of national security:

Fearing a civil liberties backlash and "bad public relations" for the Obama administration, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson refused in early 2014 to end a secret U.S. policy that prohibited immigration officials from reviewing the social media messages of all foreign citizens applying for U.S. visas, a former senior department official said.

"During that time period immigration officials were not allowed to use or review social media as part of the screening process," John Cohen, a former acting under-secretary at DHS for intelligence and analysis. Cohen is now a national security consultant for ABC News.


But we can collect all sorts of information about American citizens without a warrant. Oh and don't worry, the same people who worry more about "optics" and sensitivity to foreigners are going to be able to screen out any danger presented by Syrian refugees.

Our Homeland security department can't screen out 'refugees' who have "kill the infidels" Facebook pages.

Josh said...

"It's giving people "free shit" as you call it that makes economies work."

The problem with you Marxists is that you view the world as magical. I don't fault y'all for this. Particularly those of you who live in Europe and want to use fucking Germany and Scandinavia to make your points (aka home of the 90+% white man lol). Y'all have never had to deal with the shit we have, so you believe that if only America would become more like y'all, we'd magically change -- our demographics would shift, our culture would change, swaths of irresponsible moochers would suddenly get their acts together, and our economy would just magically start climbing, etc. No evidence for this; all evidence to the contrary in America (aka home of the melting pot).

Genie goes back in the bottle? Pandora in her box? The horse in the stable? It's hindsight bias. We are where we are now; now we cannot fucking afford more free shit.

(Now, get us a responsible government in America that knows WTF it's doing, my take on this changes completely.)

At times when America has struggled in the past, like with the Great Depression, citizens were called upon to sacrifice. Many did, primarily because they had no choice. We got through it. In WWII, the citizens were called upon to sacrifice. Many did, even those who had a choice still realized that sacrifice was the right thing to do. We got through it.

In today's world of poop swastikas and racist hoaxes at universities, feminists banning white males from certain collegiate zones, people crying for MOAR ENTIDELMINTZ and the suchlike, no one seems willing to sacrifice. We're not even talking about real personal sacrifice like WWII and the depression, that it's going to take to bring America back from the brink of $17 trillion in debt, our liabilities, our incredibly fucked-up government, etc. All it would take is some fucking personal responsibility from people.

Okay, so maybe a girl cannot go out and get herself some free birth control pills. She's going to have to go to Walmart to pay the $11. Oh, the humanity of it! How could America be such an incredibly cruel nation that they'd charge an individual $11 for their own birth control!? But fuck that. How about sacrificing a little bit in America's time of distress? How about instead of thumbing your eye in protest of America to the point you'll spit out 6 bastards unless America decides to pay for your pills (your logic, not mine), you instead institute some sacrifice here and pony up the $11? Or, if you cannot do that, how about the next time you pick out a man with whom to couple, you make sure that he is fiscally solvent and responsible enough that he can at least get his hands on a fucking condom?

As a strict realist whose lettered in evolution, I understand perfectly that people are going to fuck. You'll never fucking stop fucking. However, random-ass dudes you don't even make wear a condom? Ladies, c'mon. It takes two here. Of course the guy doesn't wanna wear a fucking condom, and he will not unless you make him. Make him!

But that's me being unfair in expecting people to be responsible for themselves. The individual has no agency! The individual is an antiquated notion that must be supplanted by the collective. Probably is racism, too, if we ask you.

Seems to me you expect that wealthy people do their "part" by freely submitting to an even LARGER government that's going to take more of their tax dollars to misappropriate. But when it comes to expecting an individual to show some responsibility, to sacrifice a bit of selfishness to help the nation, well, that's just my ignorance and racism. Government: Do the responsible thing by taxing more, spending more, and giving people more. People: You're cattle; STFU.

I bet ya James Bold can tell you how America could be just like Scandinavia! LMFAO. It's a conversation I'd literally pay to see.

Anonymous said...

Yisheng said...
@ Bill since whooteemoos hate Muslims for being Muslim, why don't you ask them if Islam is a race? Better yet why don't you ask them if they think they are the SAME race as many Muslims who consider themselves WHITE.




White isn't a race. The dumbassery is strong in this one.

Anonymous said...

What therapy do you suggest for the 2820 victims of murder, mostly black male on black male, in Chicago since the first of the year?

Anonymous said...

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

Oops, I meant shootings in Chicago of black males by black males. Honest mistake.

Yisheng said...

@1:55 maybe the WHITE MAN that stole Facebook from his roommate ought to better train his programmers to build in alerts for pphrases like "kill the infidels".

Or perhaps his DNA dictates that he remain a greedy bastard instead?

Anonymous said...

He's a Jew, not a WHITE MAN

Anonymous said...

FN, You condemn white police, politicians, or RWNJ almost daily of violence, murder, wrong, but never condemn the OVERWHELMING number of perpetrators of gun violence and murder, by percentage of the population in this country, against innocents by Black males.

Why is that?

Zulu King: Blacks Destroy S. Africa said...

Goodwill Zwelithini, King of the Zulus, grasps what has been happening to South Africa:

The official king of South Africa’s Zulu tribe has announced that that country was economically, militarily, and socially better under white Afrikaner rule—and that history will judge blacks as only having destroyed everything that they had inherited from the white government.

King Goodwill Zwelithini, who has been Zulu king since December 1971, made the remarks during a speech at an official royal household event in Nongoma, located in the northeastern part of the eastern seaboard province of KwaZulu-Natal, over the past weekend.

King Zwelithini said the former white rulers of South Africa had “built a powerful government with the strongest economy and army on the continent.”

He went on to say that the white government had “a mighty army, and that the South African currency and economy had shot up” under the National Party government.

“But then,” he continued, “came this so-called democracy in which black people are destroying the gains of the past. The economy that we are now burning down.”

Addressing himself directly to black people, King Zwelethini said that “you do not want to build on what you had inherited. You are going to find yourselves on the wrong side of history.”


Gee sounds like Obama's America.

http://newobserveronline.com/zulu-king-blacks-destroying-south-africa/

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
He's a Jew, not a WHITE MAN

I am white and Jewish.

Josh said...

"White isn't a race. The dumbassery is strong in this one."

Yeah. I thought that if anyone on the planet understood racial demographics and which people were of which race, it was black folks.

I especially thought a "STEM MASTER" would have at least brushed up against taxonomy and anthropology and the suchlike in her 27-university shuffle.

Uh on. Josh said "black folks." WACISM ALERT! WACISM ALERT!

Races made easy:

Q: "Hows come if them peoples there has brown skins and white people has white skins, they is still the same race?"

A: Jane is a woman. A woman is not a Jane. The pigmentation of your skin is one of literally hundreds of taxonomic differences in subspecies of the subspecies sapien of the genus homo. Skin color is, far and away, the single-most trivial difference there is. When compared to differences like hair follicles, bone size, muscle density, immune systems, olfactory responses, brain size, height, gestation periods, etc, skin color separates itself entirely as a happenstance of quicker, entirely climate-dependent micro changes to an organism's ability to deal with the bio-chemical effects of ultraviolet radiation.

"But muh blackness?" "But i'z white!" Get over it. If you live in Florida and assuming your gene pool stays "white," your great-great-grandchildren are likely to resemble Native Americans in skin. (The development of excess eumelanin is a quicker process than losing it through the genome.) If you live up somewhere in Denmark and your gene pool stays mostly "black," expect to birth Rashida Jones eventually.

Savvy?

Something's gotta give said...

Anonymous said...
"This is what you get when you put negroes in charge of national security"
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This isn't a race issue, and its not just Jeh Johnson, it is an issue of general progressive incompetency. We are being ruled by over-educated children given jobs because of, yes race or gender, but mostly because of ideology. Just look at the incompetence on display by a very-well paid member of government whose job it is to screen refugees:

https://youtu.be/0uErCCRaytU

Stunning.

No one should be surprised at the next mass killing of Americans.

The Purple Cow said...

Joshy, Joshy, joshy. I don't know where to start. So much wrongness.

About America's economy. As we all know America's wealthy declared class warfare on America's poor and middle-classes when they elected Ronnie Reagan. They have been winning that war ever since. Are the 1% being asked to make sacrifices for this alleged crisis (More of that later) of yours? The top 0.1% of Americans now own more-or-less the same as the bottom 90%. America’s Gini coefficient is now worse than Iran’s and Russia’s. There has been a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from the poor and middle classes to the wealthy, unprecedented in recent human history. And now you claim that the poor lambs shouldn’t be expected to chip in a couple of bucks to prevent unwanted children!

And about that debt, that you seem to think is so important. America has been in debt continuously since 1835. The United Kingdom has been in debt continuously for 350 years. During those periods the UK became the head of the greatest empire the world has ever known, and the USA became the wealthiest nation the world has ever seen. What does that tell about national debt? How terrible can it be?

The fact is, America does not have anything like enough debt.

Why?

1. Debt can be spent on useful stuff. Not just contraceptives, but stuff like repairing your national infrastructure, which you may have noticed is falling apart. When interest rates are at an all time low (like now) is a good time to do this.

2. American government debt is a safe haven for investors to run to when times get bad. American government debt allows America’s investors to manage risk. (They thought they could do that by chopping up sub-prime mortgages, but then 2008 showed that strategy up as complete bollocks.) Investors fled to US government debt because they could not trust anything else, this in turn pushed interest rates down. The problem now is that interest rates are too low, so that you will not be able cut rates in bad times to come. What America needs are policies that permit higher interest rates in good times without causing a slump. And one such policy, would be targeting a higher level of debt.

3. American government debt is money you owe yourselves. So paying it off doesn’t make you any richer, and allowing it to grow doesn’t make you any poorer,

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/debt-is-money-we-owe-to-ourselves/

4. U.S. government spending is somebody else’s income. When the American government spends less, American companies income drops.

Yīshēng said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
He's a Jew, not a WHITE MAN

I am white and Jewish.
>>>>>>

So was my great great grandfather, so whoop-tee-do you get NO brownie points for that, pun intended.

But YOU'D better be careful, the whooteemoos on this site would rather throw you AND the Muslims "friends" in an oven and be done with ALL of you.

Anonymous said...

Yisheng is a Goddamned whooteemoo.

Yīshēng said...

Great breakdown PC but geez, don't you ever feel like you're wasting those hard earned MBA skills on Jing-a-ling? American history teaches us that the sloths England sent over to populate the US in the beginning only reproduced to make MORE sloths, with the nerve to think they're better than minorities. Plus he's half Asian, and doesn't know exactly who/what he is.

The Purple Cow said...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/14/the-strange-case-of-americas-disappearing-middle-class

"In 1971, there were 80 million households in the US defined as middle income – compared with a combined 52 million in the groups above and below. Now, there are 120 million middle-class families, but 121 million rich and poor – “A demographic shift that could signal a tipping point,” says Pew.

There has also been a big shift in who gets the wealth generated by America: “Fully 49% of US aggregate income went to upper-income households in 2014, up from 29% in 1970. The share accruing to middle-income households was 43% in 2014, down substantially from 62% in 1970.”

Hitler was a socialist said...

Purple Cow:
American government debt is money you owe yourselves. So paying it off doesn’t make you any richer, and allowing it to grow doesn’t make you any poorer,
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Whether it makes you richer or poorer depends on who "you" are.

And "you" are just the kind of self-important economic illiterate who quotes Krugman.

Hitler was a socialist said...

The Purple Cow said...
"In 1971, there were 80 million households in the US defined as middle income – compared with a combined 52 million in the groups above and below. Now, there are 120 million middle-class families, but 121 million rich and poor – “A demographic shift that could signal a tipping point,” says Pew.
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It should not be surprising that 50 years of socialism has resulted in the destruction of the middle class; that's the whole point:

"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."

--Vladimir Lenin

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html

Josh said...

TPC: I have no earthly idea how anything you're babbling about has anything to do with WTF I'm saying. All I can infer is that you're saying, "SPEND ANYWAY!" lol "Debt is good for Americans. Owe yourself money; it's a GOOD THING!"

Yowsa.

What I cannot understand: How is it a person can expect society and government to do everything for the individual, to the point they'll call someone with an opposite stance a stunningly ignorant moron, yet this same person expects that the individual does nothing for society?

"and allowing it to grow doesn’t make you any poorer."

Sure. Because government just prints money like they wanna print money, and they flood the nation with pointless paper whensoever they choose. Money is a wholly invented thing here. Yep. Just keep creating money out of thin air. Eventually we'll have that Zimbabwe system. THEN we'll be aight. lol

No offense, TPC. I'm sure you're an expert on this. After all, people you meet online are literal experts on every single topic under the sun. So, another expert heard from. Personally, I think the economists who direct America more toward a libertarian way of life have more sense than fucking Paul Krugman. But that's just me. I guess I'll just continue to be the most stunningly ignorant person on this planet, hoping against hope that our government does not continue to print money and spend its ass off on people in our society who contribute nothing to this society.

So, whatever that makes me, I'll be that:

- Ignorant
- Cruel
- A 1% sympathizer
- A capitalist (evil Satin Stalin Hitler fascist)
- Racist

Whatever.

I'm no ingrate, though; don't get me wrong. I enjoy seeing you use white nations as a template America should be following. LMFAO. Stop being so WACIST! Just because those white countries/regions have their shit together doesn't mean anything!

Anonymous said...

STFU Josh.

Anonymous said...

So much talk about race. The problem of first world countries with very entitled and pampered minorities who have it so good and are not grateful that WE live in a country who rewards talent and intelligence.

Anonymous said...

Yisheng is a self-hating whooteemoo.

Go figure...

The Purple Cow said...

"I'm no ingrate, though; don't get me wrong. I enjoy seeing you use white nations as a template America should be following. LMFAO. Stop being so WACIST! Just because those white countries/regions have their shit together doesn't mean anything!"

What is a "white nation" Josh, please explain.

As for your idiotic point on the economy, you clearly haven;t actually read a word I wrote.

"TPC: I have no earthly idea how anything you're babbling about has anything to do with WTF I'm saying."

Oh yes you do. Stop lying.

The Purple Cow said...

Ha! Hoorah for the American education system!

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/solar-farm-rejected-over-fears-it-could-drain-sun-cause-cancer

PilotX said...

"1. Debt can be spent on useful stuff. Not just contraceptives, but stuff like repairing your national infrastructure, which you may have noticed is falling apart. When interest rates are at an all time low (like now) is a good time to do this."

Well TPC, it's like this. We have a blah President so nothing useful or positive can be done because then the opposition party will be accused of helping the secret Kenyan Muslim or what they reaLly mean a ni@@er lover (an actual word used in the U.S.). Money can only be spent during a Republican President's administration so that then they can complain about there being too much debt if a Dem is elected and the Dems play right along. The two Santa Clause theory I believe it's called.

Negro Modelo said...

No, you stupid, stupid negroes, you cannot spend your way out of debt.

The worst President in history has just doubled our debt in seven short years. If this nation survives, we will be paying for Progressive debts for a century.

Josh's Mom said...

"What is a "white nation" Josh, please explain."

One where you have food, shelter and laws.

Anonymous said...

The worst President in history has just doubled our debt in seven short years. If this nation survives, we will be paying for Progressive debts for a century.
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What would the debt be if there weren't two unfunded and unnecessary wars from the previous administration? And for the record yes the government will always be paying off debt. Do you own treasury bills? Do you want the government to continue to fund itself by selling T-bills? If so then you will always have debt.

White Nation said...

"What is a "white nation" Josh, please explain."

One where you have bad music, bad tv and bad dancing. Oh, and a bunch of school shootings.

White Nation said...

What is a "white nation" Josh, please explain.
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I think he means Aryan nation. It's a prison gang for white guys. Josh's mom is a member. Well not so much a member as a groupie.

Negro Modelo said...

"What would the debt be if there weren't two unfunded and unnecessary wars from the previous administration?"

Obama has spent 7 times what Bush spent on nation building wars.

And Obama has started his own wars in Libya and Syria, with results currently spiralling out of control.

White Nation said...

Obama has spent 7 times what Bush spent on nation building wars.

And Obama has started his own wars in Libya and Syria, with results currently spiralling out of control.
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How much did the wars in Afganistan and Iraq cost? How much did it add to the national debt?

Bullshit Detector said...

Obama has spent 7 times what Bush spent on nation building wars.
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Bullshit

uptownsteve55 said...

"Obama has spent 7 times what Bush spent on nation building wars."

Prove it.

Josh said...

"please explain."

Yeah, it probably doesn't count if I use a black person's standards to call something "white" or "black" based on the overwhelming majority of a thing being comprised entirely of one type. E.g. my neighborhood in Suitland being 98% black, according to the logic I've gleaned here, makes it a "black" neighborhood. So for countries/regions that are around 90% white, I use that same standard I was taught to say they're "white" places.

White people suck. They're evil and cruel and genetic mistakes and the worst people in the history of the planet -- until which time someone bashing America needs an example of a nation that's running better than America. Until which point one needs to point out the best aspects of Western civilization. Then let's see how white folks do things. lol

(Obviously I was being facetious, but I don't expect you to give a fuck. Your number-one mission on this blog has been to troll me for the 3 years I've been here; I don't expect that to change. It's not a "white" thing; white folks are in charge of Greece too. I just find it funny the best examples you can find to use are places whose overwhelming genetic makeup is the palest end of Caucasoid.)

"As for your idiotic point on the economy, you clearly haven;t actually read a word I wrote."

Sure I read what you wrote. Basically: SPEND, motherfuckers, SPEND! Spend NOW, while the spending is good! Debt doesn't matter. Debt isn't anything but money you owe yourselves, so SPEND, you magnificent bastards, SPEND!

You always do this. You say something, claim it's correct, while claiming my position in wrong. And then when I read your own position back to you, you can't even recognize it as anything intelligible and just assume I'm spamming you. No, motherfucker, this is how you roll. You forever do this. You spam shit across the screen just to disagree with ME, and then when you read it said in a different context, you realize it's fucking lunacy. Only instead of admitting it's lunacy coming from YOU, you instead pretend I'm somehow misinterpreting what you said.

Nope. I'm not. It's there in plain fucking English, just like the time you said we need man to create the greenhouse effect. It's all in English; it's all on the record. You just don't like anyone actually going beyond the point where you pretend to tell them what's correct. You expect everyone else to just STFU immediately after you post. When you read what you said written back at you, your initial reaction is "Dafuq is this nonsense?" and it takes you a while to realize that you fucking wrote it.

Then, because you're allergic to any sort of concession, it becomes my fault for judging what you said by what you said.

Debt's meaningless. You appealed to an authority (who isn't even an authority; lol it's the strangest fallacy I've seen yet) and told us all that debt doesn't matter; spend, you glorious enablers of dumbfuckery, spend! Spend MOAR!! That's the ONLY WAY to get a healthy economy. Spend, spend, spend.

I'm judging you exactly by what you said. I really don't understand WTF you're talking about. Spend, spend, spend is a foreign concept to me in relation to how it helps our economy. But you're the expert. Obviously.

Anonymous said...

In terms of percentage Reagan increased the debt the most of any President. 186%. W 101% and Barack 53%. Debt only matters when a (D) is in the oval.

President Downgrade said...

uptownsteve55 said...
"Obama has spent 7 times what Bush spent on nation building wars."

This is a fact:

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/49892

Obama has left us with more debt than all the previous Presidents combined.

Anonymous said...

Baby Barack called Bush adding to the debt “irresponsible and “unpatriotic.”. But when baby barack added to the debt it's ok.

George W. Bush said...

"But when baby barack added to the debt it's ok."

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

Anonymous said...

I bet uptownsteve is half whooteemoo.

President Upgrade said...

"But when baby barack added to the debt it's ok."
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He had to dig us out of the hole left by the previous idiot. Paying for two wars, prescription drug benefits and a much needed stimulus package. I guess we forgot about that. What would the debt be without the Afganistan and Iraq wars? Anyone know? Anyone care to answer?

Josh=Caitlin said...

E.g. my neighborhood in Suitland being 98% black
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Bullshit, you never lived in Suitland. Your racist ass would have been run out of town. Just more bullshit from Josh.

President Upgrade said...

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/12/paris-climate-deal-200-nations-sign-finish-fossil-fuel-era

The President is saving the planet.

Anonymous said...

The planet doesn't need saving. Look out the window.

President Downgrade said...

"He had to dig us out of the hole left by the previous idiot."

The First Law of Holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging.

Obama failed.

Anonymous said...

The planet doesn't need saving. Look out the window.
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You're right, humans do.

President Upgrade said...

The First Law of Holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging.

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Unless you're a Republicans, then it's ok. Ask Bush when he dug a new hole and wasted a surplus.

conservative=dumbass said...

The planet doesn't need saving. Look out the window.
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Which is why conservatives (dumbasses) should never be in charge of anything. This is the type of asshole who listens to John Inhoff when he brings a snowball into the senate and declares an end to global warming.

uptownsteve55 said...

Downgrade racist

"Obama has left us with more debt than all the previous Presidents combined"

You're shifting gears.

What spending has Obama increased?

Do you even know the reason for the debt or it's annual increase?

Of course you don't.

You're a dumbass righty.

The Fixer said...

Do you even know the reason for the debt or it's annual increase?

Of course you don't.

You're a dumbass righty.





Nothing to fix here.

field negro said...

"In terms of percentage Reagan increased the debt the most of any President. 186%. W 101% and Barack 53%. Debt only matters when a (D) is in the oval."

Well yes, there is this.

Facts are always good.

Anonymous said...

"Do you even know the reason for the debt or it's annual increase?"

Duh. Niggers.

Anonymous said...

field negro said...
"Facts are always good."

Fact: Obama has raised the national debt more than all the Presidents before him combined.

Yisheng said...

Anonymous said...
Yisheng is a self-loving Black woman.

I'll Go f**k myself.
>>>>>

Good, maybe that'll put you in a better mood.

James Bold said...

"The Black guy was mentally disturbed as discovered by a psychiatrist and supported by several psycho-analysts."

All evasions aside, it STILL wasn't a White guy burning Black churches.

"This disturbed young black man had the veil of the American dream ripped away from him early in his childhood by police brutality and white racism."

In other words, you're still trying to blame Whitey because everything anyone does is Whitey's fault even if they're Black.  Blacks are responsible for nothing, not even their own actions.

"It will never end because racism has people like you in its grips."

In your view, asking Blacks to take responsibility for their actions and for the "village" to straighten out its errant members is "racist".  Only White people have responsibility for anything, making them responsible for everything.  Responsibility is inherently unequal and falls on Whitey to fix everything, even your precious feelings.

In my view:  bull puckey.

"racism is growing and showing its power. It seems NOTHING can stop it."

"Racism" is a word which came to English via KGB subversion.  It has been used to shame White people for most of a century.  The reason it can't be stopped is because most of the ills attributed to it are inherent to the so-called victims and cannot be fixed, period.  Whitey is figuring this out and refusing to go along with the game any more.  Whitey is saying "the Emperor is wearing a grass skirt, a plate in his lip and a bone in his nose."

"Is it truly your view that African Americans get free university education, free healthcare and free child care? Really?? You have evidence for that?"

Are you truly unaware of all the Black-only scholarships, the obligation of US hospital emergency rooms to treat everyone without asking about ability to pay (which illegal aliens use as much as Blacks), etc?

If you're looking for an example of public funding of what amounts to 24/7 babysitting for delinquent parents, Massachusetts is pretty solid but you'll have trouble finding a better one than Washington state's program, which has a picture which matches the reality.  Baby daddies unknown, dead or in jail?  Baby mama sleeping all day, in clubs all night picking their next sperm donor?  NO PROBLEM!  The government will pay YOU to take care of your grandchildren as if you were an unrelated foster family!  YOU get all the housing benefits, WIC/SNAP and other aid that your own spawn would have gotten if they weren't too worthless to actually be parents.

James Bold said...

The USA is one of only three nations in the OECD (Turkey and Israel being the others) where poor children have higher pupil to teacher ratios than rich kids.

School districts in the United States are locally controlled and make their own staffing decisions.  If the Black political establishment in Detroit decides to hire a bunch of relatives of the school board and top admins to fill "no-show" jobs while leaving the teacher:student ratio at 1:35, that is not something that Washington can gainsay... especially if the district is required to hire "highly qualified" teachers who will also put up with the chaos and outright physical threat of ghetto children.  Teachers in St. Paul, MN are voting whether or not to strike because they have no tools to keep violent students in line.

"Money within New York, is also unequally distributed: $25,505 was spent per student in the richest neighborhoods, compared to $12,861 in the poorest."

What is interesting is how a little digging proves you to be grossly ignorant of the effect of demographics.  The lowest-spending state in the USA is Utah... and Utah has a math achievement score for White students that is practically indistinguishable from the national average.  Meanwhile, $20,000 per student in spending in New Jersey doesn't keep its 8th grade Black students from scoring an average of 274 to the 291 of cheapskate Utah's White kids.

You can educate smart kids very cheaply, but money won't let you educate morons at all.  The problem is that the average Black kid is a borderline moron.

"James Not Bold's unemployed ass is living off my taxes"

Two hilarities here:
1.  I have my own money, I don't get anything from any government.
2.  A Black, paying taxes?! HAHAHAHAHAhahahaha!


"I bet ya James Bold can tell you how America could be just like Scandinavia!"

Eliminate all but the Scandinavians from Minnesota, and Minnesota will suddenly resemble Scandinavia to a shocking degree... including its DFL politics.  In other words, just like it used to be before the influx of Africans from the deep South.

"@1:55 maybe the WHITE MAN that stole Facebook from his roommate"

That was Mark Zuckerberg.  He does not consider himself White even if you do.  He is what we call YKW (You Know Who), TWMNBN (Those Who Must Not Be Named).

"As we all know America's wealthy declared class warfare on America's poor and middle-classes when they elected Ronnie Reagan."

Idiot.  America's wealthy declared class warfare with the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965.  Middle-class wages stagnated starting about 1970.  Ronald Reagan's election was a reaction to this, but nobody stopped the influx of third-worlders and the problem was exacerbated immensely with the 1986 amnesty of illegal immigrants.

This is what happens when you opine about American history while knowing nothing about it... in other words, about what I expect of Blacks.  The idiocy about debt is iron-clad proof of ignorance.  Debt enriches those who hold it and reduces the rest to penury.  The only out is to repudiate it, which gets lots of people very angry.

"Which is why conservatives (dumbasses) should never be in charge of anything."

It was Communists (ultra-liberals) who created the environmental disasters of Russia, E. Germany and the rest of Eastern Europe.

"In terms of percentage Reagan increased the debt the most of any President."

That's because he presided over a Democratic congress that passed tax cuts but refused to give him a budget that cut spending.

Josh said...

That's why I was laughing uncontrollably at TPC. If this context were about Western civilization in general, and someone pointed out that white folks sure do have their shit together when it comes to building successful nations, whereas other folks don't seem to do quite so well on average, TPC would be the first one to drag me through the mud as racist, followed quickly by a dozen other people lambasting me as the most Hitlerist person since Hitler.

But when he needs an example of a nation doing well to rub America in the shit, to satiate his appetite for America-bashing, where does he turn?

Why, hello, Whitey! LMFAO.

Save Sweden's continuing foot-shooting via allowing their nation to become the Muslim rape capital of the world, and the worst rape culture in the northern hemisphere, I'm not sure you could pick a place whiter--in more respect than one--than the Netherlands. lol

But, of course, one in his position would never say this has anything to do with the white people there. But, then, turn it right back around to a nation that's failing, and it's mysteriously the fault of only white people. Fucking Haiti is blamed on whitey. Laughable.