Sunday, February 17, 2019

He didn't "need to do it", and yet here we are.

Image result for trump wall images             Donald trump declared last week that he didn't need to build the wall, and yet, here we are. He has declared a national emergency at the Southern border to justify building his wall.

The entire  wall saga just seems like yet another staged political stunt, and trump and his people are using the manufactured crisis to raise money for political reasons.

Anyway, the following article goes a long way in helping us realize why this wall will never work.

The Field Negro education series continues.

"Donald Trump captured the imagination of many American voters with a single campaign promise. “I will build a great, great wall on our southern border,” he boasted in June 2015. For good measure, he added, “And I will have Mexico pay for that wall.” The twin pledges-which followed a tirade about Mexican rapists and drug dealers-neatly captured everything that was either attractive or repulsive to voters in the real estate mogul’s presidential run: bravado, nationalism, and controversy.

Trump was often criticized for lacking precision in policy ideas, but he had bold and detailed requirements for his wall. It would be 1,000 miles long. (The other 1,500, he said, were covered by “natural barriers.”) He gave various estimates of its height-between 30 and 50 feet, with the most common number being 35. His barrier would be an “impenetrable physical wall” composed of “precast [concrete] plank…30 feet long, 40 feet long.” He also insisted that it would be aesthetically pleasing.

While he said after the election that a fence may be appropriate in “some areas,” he added that a wall would be better, and he has since vigorously corrected reporters who describe the project as a “fence.” Throughout the campaign, he described the current fences as a “joke,” implying that he would not only build a superior barrier, but that he would replace the one that exists at some points now.

The History

The president’s proposal has a decadeslong history. After the 1986 “amnesty,” when President Ronald Reagan traded increased border security for the legalization of 3 million unauthorized immigrants, the San Diego Border Patrol constructed a 10-foot welded steel fence along the 14-mile section of the border closest to the Pacific. In 1996, a new law provided funds for a second layer. Despite repeated requests from the Border Patrol for more, by the year 2000 just 60 miles of the southern border had fencing, almost all of which was in urban areas. Only San Diego had a second layer.

After 9/11, border hawks launched another push for fences, with little success. Most immigration enforcement funds were going to a surge in border agents. But President George W. Bush’s push for comprehensive immigration reform, which would have legalized the unauthorized immigrants in the United States, gave the hawks their opportunity. In 2006, Congress approved the Secure Fence Act mandating nearly 700 miles of fencing on the border.

The president signed on to the bill hoping to placate the secure-the-border-first crowd and obtain the humane immigration changes that he wanted. This sales job enabled it to pass with bipartisan support from the likes of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. The immigration reform never materialized, but fence construction was nearly complete by 2009, and there are now 617 total miles of physical barriers, 36 miles of which have two layers.

Yet the hawks were not placated. They complained that there was no second layer in most places. They stewed that half the fence was just “vehicle barriers”-concrete posts that provide obstacles for drivers but not pedestrians. Moreover, the 317 miles of real pedestrian fences dramatically vary in height and quality. The Border Patrol uses half a dozen types of fencing materials-wire mesh, landing mats, chain-link, bollard, aesthetic, and sheet piling-just to control on-foot crossings. These barriers are mainly a combination of steel posts and bars supplemented in places with wire, ranging in height from 6 to 18 feet.

The Legal Obstacles

Trump has been adamant that his wall will be built “ahead of schedule.” For that to happen, he’ll need to avoid the various legal issues that plagued earlier efforts. Entities other than the federal government-states, Indian tribes, private individuals-control over two-thirds of borderland property. Private parties own the vast majority of the border in Texas, and for this reason, roughly 70 percent of the existing border fence is located in California, Arizona, and New Mexico. Almost all of it is on federally controlled land.

The Bush administration bullied property owners, threatening to sue them if they did not “voluntarily” hand over the rights to their land. It offered no compensation for doing so. Thinking that they had no recourse, some people signed off, but others refused. The government then attempted to use eminent domain, a procedure Trump has long defended, to seize their property, but the lawsuits imposed serious delays-seven years in one case.

In 2009, the Homeland Security inspector general concluded that the Border Patrol had “achieved [its] progress primarily in areas where environmental and real estate issues did not cause significant delay.” One intransigent resident had owned his property since before the “Roosevelt easement,” which gives the federal government a 60-foot right of way along the border. He fought the administration, so the fence had until recently a 1.2-mile gap on his land. Border residents fought more than a third of all land transfers, in fact. Because the Constitution promises just compensation for takings, Trump can do little to speed this process.

Native American tribes also have the capacity to stop construction of barriers. The Tohono O’odham Nation, which has land on both sides of the border, has already pledged to fight any efforts to build a wall there. In 2007, when the tribe allowed vehicle barriers to be constructed, the Bush administration ended up desecrating Indian burial grounds and digging up human remains. The new president would need a stand-alone bill from Congress to condemn their land. Senate Democrats can (and likely would) filibuster such an effort.

Even federal lands can be problematic. In 2010, two-thirds of patrol agents-in-charge told the Government Accountability Office (GAO) that land management laws had delayed or limited access to portions of federal lands, for fence building or repairs and other purposes, with more than half stating they did not get a timely response when they requested permission to use the lands. In one case, it took nearly eight months for the Border Patrol to get the OK to install a single underground sensor.

Water rights have also been a problem for the fence. A 1970 treaty requires that the floodplain of the Rio Grande remain open to both sides of the border. The Obama administration attempted to build fences along the river anyway, but the treaty and the river’s floods forced the barrier to be placed so far into the interior of the United States that it has many holes to allow U.S. residents access to their property. These also provide an opportunity for border crossers.

At the same time, the fence can cause Mexico to receive too much water. Even when a fence has holes, which a wall would not, debris can turn the fence into a dam. Thanks to the barrier, some floods have fully covered the doors of Mexican buildings in Los Ebanos, across the Rio Grande, while producing little more than deep puddling on the U.S. side. The International Boundary and Water Commission that administers the treaty has rebuffed the Border Patrol’s attempts to replicate this disaster in other areas of the Rio Grande Valley.

The Practical Considerations

Fences or walls obstruct crossers’ paths, cutting off a straight shot into the interior of the country. But a barrier is not the permanent object that some people imagine. Natural events can knock down parts of a border fence. One storm in Texas left a hole for months. Fences and walls can also erode near rivers or beaches, as the one in San Diego did. And they can be penetrated: Some fencing can be cut in minutes, and the Border Patrol reported repairing more than 4,000 holes in one year alone. They neglected to mention whether that number equaled that year’s number of breaches.
Much of the current fencing can be easily mounted with a ladder or from the roof of a truck. In some cases, border crossers can scale the fence without any additional equipment. One viral video from 2010 shows two women easily climbing an 18-foot steel bollard-style pedestrian fence in less than 20 seconds. Smugglers can even drive over the fence using ramps, a fact that was discovered only when a couple of foolish drug entrepreneurs managed to get their SUV stuck on top. (They took the dope and split.)

The  wall would probably be less easily damaged by man or nature. But in at least some areas, its impassibility could also become a maintenance liability. Border Patrol agents have told Fox News that a border wall would still “have to allow water to pass through, or the sheer force of raging water could damage its integrity, not to mention the legal rights of both the U.S. and Mexico to seasonal rains.” In 2011, for example, a flood in Arizona washed away 40 feet of steel fence.

While not “impenetrable,” a concrete wall would impede efforts to cut through it. Trump has also claimed that no one would ever use a ladder to go over his wall because “there’s no way to get down.” After pondering the question for a second, he then conceded, “maybe a rope.” Nonetheless, the height might discourage some people from attempting to climb it, and it would certainly take them longer to do so, giving Border Patrol agents additional time to reach them.

If not over or through, some crossers may opt to go under. Tunnels are typically used more for drug smuggling, but they still create a significant vulnerability in any kind of physical barrier. From 2007 to 2010, the Border Patrol found more than one tunnel per month, on average. “For every tunnel we find, we feel they’re building another one somewhere,” Kevin Hecht, a Border Patrol tunnel expert, told The New York Times last year. A wall would likely increase the rewards for successful tunneling as other modes of transit grow more expensive.

Trump is unconcerned, asserting that “tunnel technology” will rule out any such subterfuge. Effective tunnel detection equipment is seen as the Holy Grail of Border Patrol enforcement, but the Homeland Security Department’s Science and Technology Directorate has so far concluded that no current technology for detecting tunnels beneath the border is “suited to Border Patrol agents’ operational needs.”

But the biggest practical problem with a wall is its opacity. In fact, many Border Patrol agents oppose a concrete wall for precisely this reason (albeit quietly, given that they were also some of Trump’s biggest supporters during the election). “A cinder block or rock wall, in the traditional sense, isn’t necessarily the most effective or desirable choice,” Border Patrol agents told Fox News. “Seeing through a fence allows agents to anticipate and mobilize, prior to illegal immigrants actually climbing or cutting through the fence.”

The agency is already desperate to switch out the nontransparent landing-mat fences in use in some places. These metal sheets were adapted from helicopter landing pads left over from Vietnam, and while inexpensive, they are ill-suited to their purpose. Popular Mechanics described these parts of the fence as “obsolete, in need of replacement,” noting that they “can be easy to foil since Border Patrol agents can’t see what’s going on on the other side.” If a wall slows down agents as much as it does smugglers and migrants, it provides no advantage on balance.

To put it most simply, border barriers will never stop illegal immigration, because a wall or fence cannot apprehend crossers. The agents that Fox News spoke to called a wall “meaningless” without agents and technology to back it up. Mayor Michael Gomez of Douglas, Arizona, labeled the fence a failure in 2010, saying “they jump right over it.” Former Border Patrol spokesperson Mike Scioli has called the fence little more than “a speed bump in the desert.”

The Efficacy of a Wall

Trump speaks with absolute certainty of a wall’s ability to repel entries, yet the efficacy of the existing barriers has gone largely unstudied. The president is proposing a project likely to cost tens of billions of dollars and to suck up many other resources, and he is doing so without a single evaluation of the barrier. Obviously, any obstacle to passage will reduce entries at the margin. But would other options work better?

Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) of the House Homeland Security Committee failed to obtain an answer to this exact question from the Obama administration. Chairman Michael McCaul (R-Texas) concluded in 2013 that “it would be an inefficient use of taxpayer money to complete the fence,” but he gave no indication of how he evaluated the costs and benefits. A 2016 Migration Policy Institute review of the impact of walls and fences around the world turned up no academic literature specifically on the deterrent effect of physical barriers relative to other technologies or strategies, and concluded somewhat vaguely that walls appear to be “relatively ineffective.”
Fences can have strong local effects, and the case for more fencing often relies completely on these regional outcomes. Take the San Diego border sector, probably the most commonly cited success story in this debate.

From 1990 to 1993, it replaced a “totally ineffective” fence with a taller, opaque landing mat fence along 14 miles of the border. This had little impact on the number of border crossers. “The primary fence, by itself, did not have a discernible impact on the influx of unauthorized aliens coming across the border in San Diego,” the Congressional Research Service concluded.
From 1994 to 1996, Operation Gatekeeper doubled the number of agents in the sector to reinforce the fence, but this too had little effect on the number of apprehended migrants. (Researchers use apprehensions as a proxy for illegal immigration because they usually track closely to the number of total entries.) Instead, the apprehensions shifted dramatically away from the areas guarded by western stations at Imperial Beach and Chula Vista, where fences were built, and toward eastern stations. The net flow remained the same.

From 1997 to 1999, when the San Diego sector was reinforced with nine miles of secondary fencing and even more agents were added, the numbers did finally slow. But looking at the apprehension figures, it appears that San Diego simply pushed its problem even further east, to the El Centro, Yuma, and Tucson sectors. Each agent in those places ended up apprehending more people after the fence was built than before.

Ideally, we would perform the same type of before-and-after analysis of the impact of the Secure Fence Act of 2006. The problem is that those barriers were rolled out at the same time that Congress almost doubled the size of the Border Patrol, increasing it from 12,000 to 21,000 agents. Moreover, fences went up in many different sectors, making it dficult to isolate the effects. To complicate matters further, this period saw the collapse of the housing bubble, which caused a huge exodus of unauthorized workers back to Mexico.

The Unintended Consequences

The numbers from this period also suggest that counting “reduced crossings” as a victory may be misleading. As the amount of fencing and the number of agents grew, the share of unauthorized immigrants entering illegally fell, but the number entering legally (and then staying illegally) rose.
In 2006, the Pew Research Center calculated that more than a third of all unauthorized immigrants entered lawfully and then simply overstayed their visas. People who come to the U.S. as tourists or temporary business travelers are forbidden from working, so a small number remain after their visa expires to work under the table. For every three border crossers in 1992, there was one overstay. But by 2012, visa overstays accounted for 58 percent of all new unauthorized immigrants. A wall not only will do nothing to stop these people from entering, but it may actually incentivize more people to stick around without authorization.

Using reduced border crossings as the standard of success also obscures the wall’s effect on the total population of undocumented residents in the country.

Until the first fence was built in 1990, workers could circulate freely across the border, coming to harvest crops during the summer and then returning home in the winter. They crossed with a goal of bettering their lives south of the border. The 1980s had more total crossings than the 1990s, but because as many people left each year as arrived, the total number of unauthorized immigrants remained roughly constant at about 3 million. The true measure of of a barrier’s efficacy should be not the gross flow but the net flow, taking into account both entries and exits.

Increased enforcement in the 1990s raised the cost to cross the border, which obviously prevented some migrants from crossing at the margin. In fact, the cost of a single border crossing exploded from $500 in 1995 to $3,000 in 2009. Increasing the price of illegal activity is law enforcement’s main measurement of success. The Drug Enforcement Administration would be thrilled to claim it had driven up illicit drug prices 600 percent in a decade and a half.

But this strategy backfired. The increased costs and risks disincentivized people from returning home. In 1996, just as the secondary fencing was going up in San Diego, a majority of new unauthorized entrants left within one year, according to a study by the University of Pennsylvania sociologist Douglas Massey. By 2009-with three times as many agents, 650 miles of barriers, and constant surveillance along the border-an illegal immigrant’s likelihood of leaving within one year had dropped to a statistically insignificant level. Border security had essentially trapped them in.
The illegal population grew in tandem with the increases in smuggling prices, which in turn paralleled the growth in the number of border officers. This process continued from 1990 to 2007, when the housing collapse finally set Mexican migration into reverse.

Massey calculates that as of 2009, 5.3 million fewer immigrants would have been residing in the United States illegally had enforcement remained at the same levels as in the 1980s. He argues that a large guest worker program, similar to the one that the United States last had in the early 1960s, would reduce not just border crossings but the population of immigrants living in this country-seemingly a nationalist two-for-one.

The Price Tag

Congress set aside $1.2 billion for the 700-mile border fence in 2006. It ended up spending $3.5 billion for construction of the current combination of pedestrian fences and vehicle impediments. In 2009, the Border Patrol estimated it would need to spend an average of $325 million per year for 20 years to maintain these barriers. The Congressional Research Service found that by 2015, Congress had already spent $7 billion on the project, more than $11.3 million per mile per decade. "

There are other reasons.  Read the rest of David Bier's article here.

76 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Field Negro disinformation series continues.

PilotX said...

Good info.

Anonymous said...

Total bullshit

Anonymous said...

Build what Israel has. 100% effective. And besides, The U.S. Taxpayer already paid for it and it's maintenance yearly.

Anonymous said...

“Build what Israel has. 100% effective. And besides, The U.S. Taxpayer already paid for it and it's maintenance yearly.”

We’re going to build a wall and Israel will pay for it!

LOL

dinthebeast said...

So even if your goal is to have fewer brown people living in the US, a wall is a stupid, stupid idea.
But it's simple enough to appeal to the not-very-bright constituency of Fergus' base, sort of like the way they can be led to believe that government debt should be handled like they have to handle household debt.
"Big wall, they no get in. MAGA."
Without considering that they don't get out, either.
Thinking things through isn't their strong point, which is why they vote for Republicans.

-Doug in Oakland

Anonymous said...

“The Congressional Research Service found that by 2015, Congress had already spent $7 billion on the project, more than $11.3 million per mile per decade.”

So a million bucks per mile each year. Which works out to $2 billion per year for the entire border. In maintenance costs alone. For a wall that has minimal effect on immigration.

Insane.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...


Anonymous Anonymous said...

“The Congressional Research Service found that by 2015, Congress had already spent $7 billion on the project, more than $11.3 million per mile per decade.”

So a million bucks per mile each year. Which works out to $2 billion per year for the entire border. In maintenance costs alone. For a wall that has minimal effect on immigration.

Insane.

10:00 PM
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Yes the idea is insane, but then so is our president. He speaks in word salad; that's the first clue. He possesses a disordered brain perhaps from Alzheimer's or plain old dementia.

gaderson said...

Should be ‘rekey’ to a ’new’ master so we’re all using the same key?

I saw a 'back of the envelope' estimate on using the Israeli method that came out to around $13 BILLION A YEAR just on upkeep and border agents to watch the wall. Much less what it would cost to build it. Part of it was the cost of needing enough agents per mile of wall to get to anyone they saw trying to breach.
But, maybe it will all just be tied up in lawsuits and never get built.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said...

The Field Negro disinformation series continues.

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Wow! The first idiot troll posting on this article! If you have nothing intelligent to say, please go away.

Anonymous said...

“I saw a 'back of the envelope' estimate on using the Israeli method that came out to around $13 BILLION A YEAR just on upkeep and border agents to watch the wall.”

It’s at least more understandable that Israel’s government is willing to shell out this kind of money, since their wall is much, much smaller and they are actually capable of guarding it.

And also, there is the minor detail that a substantial percentage of the people on the other side of their wall actually want to blow up Jewish Israelis, whereas Trump’s followers just want a wall built in order to keep out brown people who want jobs.

On the other hand, Israel could always stop occupying the West Bank, and then not so many Arabs would be bent on murdering Israel’s citizens. So there is that.

Anonymous said...

Doug the impaler says...

"Without considering that they don't get out, either."

Ohhh Dougster, that is a key part of understanding the current situation. Yes, we understand the stakes. Maybe, just maybe you'll think outside your welfare box. In the end you will be pleading to be let out...you fairy. Don't cry you pussy, no one is coming to save you.

Anonymous said...

Commie Democrats and Greedy GOPe want millions of shitholers in here for votes and cheap wages. Any one who does not see that this is a recipe for disaster in this country is too stupid to be allowed to live.

dinthebeast said...

No you fuck, I ain't going anywhere. I already live among immigrants, and I do just fine around them. More is better, in my opinion.
The shit you believe about them is lies to harvest your money and your vote.

-Doug in Oakland

Paradoctor said...

Of course a wall wouldn't work. It isn't supposed to work. Its whole point is to fail, and therefore we must redouble our efforts. The purpose of building a wall would not be national security, but job security, for the wall-builders.

Forever-walling would be like America's forever-wars, which also are less about national security than they are about job security, for the forever-warriors.

The wall has already failed, but that's an objection only to those with integrity. From the point of view of the corrupt, the wall's pre-failure is a selling point.

Anonymous said...

"I do just fine around them" Sure, fucking roaches prefer their own company too but it doesn't mean we need more roaches. So because YOU are and 80 IQ dumbass, the rest of the Nation has to suffer? Fuck you and fuck your opinion. You want more? You pay for all their shit and let them live in YOUR house. Communist Idiot !!!

dinthebeast said...

The ones I know pay their own way, asshole, just like everybody else.

Have you considered getting buggered to death by a sheep?

-Doug in Oakland

PilotX said...
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PilotX said...

Great, now these assholes are comparing people to cockroaches. And here I thought they couldn't get any more delightful🙄

PilotX said...

Almost seems like the kind of guy who would pour out the water in the desert that would save those walking.

Lt. Commander Johnson said...

Hey, Purple Cow!

Are you still going to deny that no construction of the wall has been built?

Just curious.

Journalists are sacred said...

“We’re going to treat [Fox News] the way we would treat an opponent. As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama & the WH, we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.” —Anita Dunn, Obama WH Comms Director (10/11/2009)

Anonymous said...

Stewardess X .... Yes, if those folks in the desert ultimately want to bankrupt and destroy my culture and my standard of living you're damn right they are getting NO water. Look at what is going on in Europe, I and many others do not want that Evil shit happening here.

Anonymous said...

"Trump’s followers just want a wall built in order to keep out brown people who want jobs."

If that were the case, it would be different. If they came here like my ancestors did, sink or swim, that would be one thing.

But the vast majority collect thousands in benefits out of our taxes. They get AA, free healthcare, in-state tuition, and minority scholarships ahead of American citizens from the "oppressive" country they just broke into.

We are paying for the Democrats project of importing enough voters to give them a permanent electoral majority with voters who have no understanding of or allegiance to the values that made America the kind of country they want to break into. Not only that, when they protest, they wave the flags of their home countries and tell the people they sponge off of that's it's their country now.

And they will keep coming until America is as shitty as the countries they created. You can have a welfare state, or open borders, but not both.

Anonymous said...

dinthebeast said...

No you fuck, I ain't going anywhere. I already live among immigrants, and I do just fine around them. More is better, in my opinion.
The shit you believe about them is lies to harvest your money and your vote.

-Doug in Oakland

I hope this happens to you or someone in your family, you ignorant cocksucker

https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Two-people-found-dead-in-south-Reno-home-504465091.html

https://www.rgj.com/story/news/2019/01/18/bodies-former-reno-rodeo-president-wife-found-south-reno-home/2609248002/

https://www.facebook.com/connie.koontz.7

https://www.facebook.com/sophia.renken.1

Anonymous said...

Just take the El Chapo funds and pay for it....hence Mexico paid for the wall.....

mike from iowa said...

Israel's wall has been breeched early and often.

Here is something else Drumpfuck the dumbfuck didn't need to do but his stable genius lack of brains got him to do it anyway- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-13/u-s-budget-deficit-widens-to-319-billion-amid-flat-revenue

deficit up 43% already this year.

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...


Anonymous said:

"But the vast majority collect thousands in benefits out of our taxes. They get AA, free healthcare, in-state tuition, and minority scholarships ahead of American citizens from the "oppressive" country they just broke into."
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What data do you have to support these claims? Could you please be more specific and inform us as to which states provide "free healthcare, in-state tuition, and minority scholarships?"

When I worked at the university, undocumented students could not get any financial aid, "free healthcare, in-state tuition, or minority scholarships ahead of American citizens." "Do you know when that changed? I retired in 2010, so I've been out of the loop for a while.'

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said to Doug,


"I hope this happens to you or someone in your family, you ignorant cocksucker

https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Two-people-found-dead-in-south-Reno-home-504465091.html"

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A very "brave" post by a man who hasn't the balls to use a screen name- has to call himself anonymous. Are you a member of a Nazi group that attacks others when there at least three of you against one unarmed man or woman?

Remember what goes around comes around; it's called karma, and yours is bad.

Anonymous said...

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...

Anonymous said to Doug,


"I hope this happens to you or someone in your family, you ignorant cocksucker

https://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Two-people-found-dead-in-south-Reno-home-504465091.html"

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A very "brave" post by a man who hasn't the balls to use a screen name- has to call himself anonymous. Are you a member of a Nazi group that attacks others when there at least three of you against one unarmed man or woman?

Remember what goes around comes around; it's called karma, and yours is bad.

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Hope you get it too, you nigger dick sucking bitch

mike from iowa said...

Anyfuckingmoose mow rawn, does yer klan hood double as a dunce cap? Be a perfect fit.

Anonymous said...

Ah yes, now the 3rd moron, mike from iowa, chimes in. The only one missing is PilotX. You 4 assholes ought to do the talk show circuit dispensing your wisdom.

Anonymous said...

Another asset enriching us

Police search for spic who pushed woman against vehicle, raped her in Queens

https://abc7ny.com/suspect-followed-woman-off-bus-raped-her-in-queens/5143196/

Gambler2 ASKA White Woman said...


Anonymous (of course) said,

Hope you get it too, you nigger dick sucking bitch

11:15 AM

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My, my someone has his panties in bunch this morning.
BTW, I'm 82 and don't care if I die today or tomorrow. Have a nice day.

Anonymous said...

Trump should save Wall Money and give it to Juicy Fruit Smellit as reparations for the horrible attack he suffered at the hands of those 2 Spook Lee Black Klansman. MAGA...Moronic Africans Going Apeshit.

mike from iowa said...

anyfuckingm9oosemowrawn, how many named sources claim Smollet is a fake? Kismet drumpfs karma and Kismet is a reaL BITCH. enjoy it waste of white.

mike from iowa said...

I take it anyfuckingmoosemowrawn's lack of answer means his klan hood doubles as a dunce cap. It is so fitting for a mow rawn.

Anonymous said...

mike from iowa wants to tongue the dookie out of Jussie's bunghole.

Anonymous said...

Spic parents arrested after toddler's body found in bucket of acid

https://abc13.com/parents-arrested-after-toddlers-body-found-in-acid/5143594/

Anonymous said...

How come no wall for Canada???

PilotX said...

Some commenters are a bit disrespectful. Some disinfectant is needed. The "master" race insults women like that? I would have expected more from such intelligent and cultured people. 😬

Anonymous said...

Auburn Calloway said...

"Great, now these assholes are comparing people to cockroaches."

You folks say much worse than that on a daily basis. In fact the bloodlust oozes from so many of your regular posters. Maybe, one day you all will get to prove how murderous you really are. You don't mind if we defend ourselves do you? I know, rhetorical question. You will expect millions of people to go to their death willingly. It won't happen and you folks will have a most terrible surprise.

mike from iowa said...

Wingnut vote suppression in North Carolina never ends.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/busted-man-center-north-carolina-gop-election-fraud-scandal-caught-telling-witnesses-testify/

Anonymous said...

Stewardess X, Have you seen FBI stats on Rape in America? It ain't the master race abusing women. The Kangz got some splainin to do...

Paradoctor said...

Anonymous 11:15 AM doubles down on bad karma, then wonders why _we_ are grinning, and _he_ feels awful. Sad!

Paradoctor said...

Regarding rape in America: it has down a lot since the early 90s, and it is still falling. This is along with most other categories of violent crime, except mass shootings. I credit the banning of leaded gasoline in the early 70s.

The trouble is, now we have too little crime to justify the crime-control measures in place. 90s crime-control is not needed for 10s-level crime; therefore the crime-control agencies are faced with a crime shortage. To justify their budgets, they must search ever harder for ever-rarer crime; or frame and arrest the innocent; or commit crimes themselves. All of these measures have been instituted. #BlueCrimeMatters

And guess what, illegal immigration is also down lately; and this too has provoked a perverse institutional response.

dinthebeast said...

"I hope this happens to you or someone in your family, you ignorant cocksucker"

I would imagine that if it hasn't happened in the 35 years I've been living among immigrants, often in poorer neighborhoods than I do now, it's not likely to happen ever, you fucking brainwashed tool.

-Doug in Oakland

Anonymous said...

“You will expect millions of people to go to their death willingly. It won't happen and you folks will have a most terrible surprise.”




Delusional. The only ones who are hoping for a race war are you and your bottom-feeder skinhead chums.

What I want is for the FBI counter-terror squad to monitor your movements and communications 24/7, so when you finally do flip out and go full Dylann Roof, they can toss you in the pokie before the bullets start flying.

mike from iowa said...

Drumpfuck the dumbfuck's national debt hit 22 Trillion today. Moar taxcuts for the koch bros, anyone?

Anonymous said...

Who said anything about a "race war". This is an ideological struggle. We've been through it before. For some reason idiots still need them some communism. Go and get your communism. Enjoy it you screwed up twit. Just don't come back and don't think you'll force it on others that don't want it.
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Not delusional just seen it before.

Anonymous said...

now we have too little crime to justify the crime-control measures in place.

Our crime-control measures (and lots of lying, like in Chicago) are how we got today's low stats.  You can't trust crime figures out of black cities, some won't even take burglary and theft reports.

90s crime-control is not needed for 10s-level crime

We got 70's and 90's crime from 60's and 80's de-policing.  Never. Again.  It is time to crack down on murder monkeys and do things like going over their social media for selfies of felons-in-possession and sending them to prison for 20 years.  Taking murder monkeys off the street may finally give Baltimore an entire weekend when "nobody done shot anybody".

Black Crime Report said...

1/2

Apparently, we have to import Tanzanian rape-apes to Idaho because rape is one of the jobs Americans won't do:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/crime/4-charged-in-kuna-gang-rape/277-61bcf535-4cf4-4766-938d-9b1b0a7b1e37

Murder monkey accepts a ride from a white man and kills him in an attempted robbery:

http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/teenage-suspect-identified-in-murder-of-lagrange-father

Jew York Slimes implicitly admits that most "mass shootings" are committed by blacks, not rural whites:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/us/americas-overlooked-gun-violence.html

Excerpt:  "They chronicle how easily lives are shattered when a firearm is readily available — in a waistband, a glove compartment, a mailbox or garbage can that serves as a gang’s gun locker. They document the mayhem spawned by the most banal of offenses: a push in a bar, a Facebook taunt, the wrong choice of music at a house party....

"The shootings took place everywhere, but mostly outdoors: at neighborhood barbecues, family reunions, music festivals, basketball tournaments, movie theaters, housing project courtyards, Sweet 16 parties, public parks. Where motives could be gleaned, roughly half involved or suggested crime or gang activity. Arguments that spun out of control* accounted for most other shootings, followed by acts of domestic violence.

"The typical victim was a man between 18 and 30, but more than 1 in 10 were 17 or younger. Less is known about those who pulled the triggers because nearly half of the cases remain unsolved. **"

It is time to make gun possession by non-Whites a felony in the USA.  If we have to have muds as police, let them do their jobs with clubs, mace and Tasers.  It would have saved the lives of Justine Damond and Jeremy Mardis, not to mention thousands of ungrateful blacks around the country.  That makes it worth it.

Armed white people are the only defense against mob rule and tyranny in the United States, so they MUST have guns.  It is what it is; if you want America, you have to let Americans run it.  (If you don't want America, GTFO already.)

Black Crime Report said...

2/2 Notes:

* Lack of impulse control is a stereotypical black trait.
** A direct consequence of the black "no snitchin'" culture.

Anonymous said...

“Who said anything about a ‘race war’. This is an ideological struggle. We've been through it before. For some reason idiots still need them some communism.”




Equally delusional.

In fact, even more delusional. There are a neglible number of genuine communists in the whole of the U.S.

Fulminating about “commies” isn’t likely to win people over to your cause. It will make everyone write you off as a raving lunatic and cross the street when they see you coming. Then again, people probably already do that, so ...

Anonymous said...

*Negligible

PilotX said...

"Stewardess X, Have you seen FBI stats on Rape in America? It ain't the master race abusing women. The Kangz got some splainin to do..."

Really? So what you're saying is there are zero reports of white men committing sex crimes? Uh, ok.🙄

PilotX said...

Boy, we've been in the bottom feeding nigger nigger nigger phase for a while. I guess the pseudo intellectual trolls have found another hobby such as being ignored by women.

Anonymous said...

You should have stuck with "neglible".

Anonymous said...

“I guess the pseudo intellectual trolls have found another hobby such as being ignored by women.”

Maybe they are all watching Jordan Peterson videos telling them how to be more manly (but still angry and bigoted). Or they’re busy getting their rant on at Ocasiocortezsucks.com.

Okay, that’s not a real website yet, but it’s only a matter of time.

dinthebeast said...

Funny thing about that whole "force it on others that don't want it" thingie... the policies you tend to characterize as communistic or socialistic are polling in the 60s and 70s now.

You don't have the cold war to use to frighten people away from policies to the left of Attila the Hun any more, and the obvious wretched excesses of under regulated capitalism are all around for everyone to see, and more society-oriented policies are looking better and better to folks who see what the obscenely wealthy are doing to the country that once offered them and their families an opportunity to have a decent life if they were willing to work for it.

Your propaganda tells you to be afraid of becoming Venezuela, but is tellingly silent on Scandinavia.

-Doug in Oakland

PilotX said...

"A direct consequence of the black "no snitchin'" culture."

There is no Black no snitch code. Now there is a no snitch code among certain cultures such as criminals, the Mafia and cops.The thin blue line represents a serious no snitch culture which allows bad cops to remain and get away with many illegal abuses. This is not a "Black" thing.

Paradoctor said...

Anonymous 7:58 PM credited the post-90s crime decline (continuing to this very day) to harsh policing; but this decline occurred in all cities equally, whether they put community controls on police, or instead encouraged blue crime. This same crime-fall occurred overseas, independent of harshness of policing. One reliable variable; the crime-fall consistently happened 20 years after phasing out tetraethyl lead in gasoline.

Lead is a neurotoxin; it lowers IQ and inhibitions, and raises irritability and aggression; a recipe for criminality. The cities, which saw lead pollution fall most, also saw crime fall most. Nowadays when someone thinks "crime-ridden hell-hole", they think white and rural, not black and urban.

It is humbling to think that a chemical element has such power over us; we'd rather blame sin than poisoning; but humility is the path to enlightenment and redemption.

Paradoctor said...

Gun fans beware: shooting galleries tend to be contaminated with lead. I therefore recommend to all gun users to wear breathing protection while at the gallery, and shower afterwards. Take good care of your brain; it's the only one you've got.

Lt. Commander Johnson said...

Hey! PURPLE COW!

Is there, or isn't a wall being constructed?

"British" puke.

Anonymous said...

"Lead is a neurotoxin; it lowers IQ and inhibitions, and raises irritability and aggression; a recipe for criminality."

Yet isn't it funny that automobiles first became common among white people, and they did not have a spike in aggression and criminality as a consequence... while blacks were infamous for it long before the first Model T rolled off the line?

The fact of the matter is that black African genes lower IQ and inhibitions, and raise aggression and time preference.  These traits work fine in Africa, which is where Africans belong.

Paradoctor said...

Hey field, quite a troll farm you’ve got here. They display all the symptoms of lead toxicity I listed; aggression, impulsivity, irritatibility, and low IQ. Have they been at the firing range without breathing protection? And not showering afterwards? Also recommended: change and launder all clothes.

If my diagnosis is correct then lead poisoning has two other symptoms: deception and self-deception.

Anonymous said...

"They display all the symptoms of lead toxicity I listed; aggression, impulsivity, irritatibility, and low IQ."

You couldn't address the counterclaims (they're irrefutable and you know it), so you try to sling insults instead.  That counts as irritability and low IQ.  Does immediate doubling down on a losing argument count as aggression and impulsivity?

You are precisely what you accuse "trolls" of being.  Hilarious!

Paradoctor said...

1. Thank you, anonymoid, for volunteering to be offended. You have identified yourself.

2. Robotic projection fools no-one, except maybe yourself.

3. Regarding your easily-refuted counterclaims: I was not discussing internal combustion; I was discussing tetraethyl leaded gasoline, which was introduced decades later. And twenty years after that introduction, crime rates rose. And twenty years after it was banned, crime rates fell. This was a consistent pattern in all countries, including the ones in Scandinavia. Skin tint was not a predictive variable.

4. Perhaps you are not a lead-head; maybe you are instead just a rageoholic. Fun psychomedical fact: irrational anger and hate is as addictive as cocaine. Fun literary fact: according to Dante Alighieri, Wrath is one of the lower circles of Hell.

5. Believe it or not, I feel no anger at you, only pity. You are obviously not well. I strongly recommend that you visit a counselor, and maybe also a neurologist. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

"I was discussing tetraethyl leaded gasoline, which was introduced decades later."

It appears that TEL wasn't manufactured in quantity until 1923:

http://environmentalhistory.org/about/ethyl-leaded-gasoline/lead-history-timeline/

If lead causes black dysfunction, why did H. P. Lovecraft pen "On the Creation of Niggers" all the way back in 1912?

If lead causes black dysfunction, why did this piece hit the Baltimore Sun on March 30, 1910, more than a decade earlier?

"Roanoke, Va., March 29. Drunken Negroes took charge of an excursion train between this city and Winston-Salem last night and as a consequence Sidney Wood of Winston-Salem is dead at Martinsville, and two-score other Negroes are more or less wounded. Knives, razors, and pistols played prominent parts in the melee. . . .

"The train was stopped several times by Negroes pulling the bell cord, and the train was cut in two several times, leaving a number of coaches behind with a second section following. . . . The three coaches which were cut off were filled with white people. . . . When the train reached Bassetts, in Henry County, every Negro in two coaches was apparently in a fight. The screams of the terror-stricken women added to the excitement."

Blood lead decreased to sub-toxic levels by 1987:

https://www.thenation.com/article/secret-history-lead/

If lead causes black dysfunction, why did Chicago's murder count spike all the way to 808 in 2016?

I've got an explanation for that, and lead has nothing to do with it.  It's alleles for low IQ, impulsivity and hair-trigger violence.  It's in your DNA, which is why neither education nor diet nor elimination of heavy metals makes it go away.

"Perhaps you are not a lead-head; maybe you are instead just a rageoholic."

Watching you jigs deflect, dissemble and deny is part of the entertainment here.  Cognitive dissonance is hella fun to watch.

"irrational anger and hate is as addictive as cocaine."

I'm not the least bit angry, and there ain't nothing irrational about wanting jigaboos kept at a safe distance and away from anything of anyone else's that they could break or steal.  It's as nonsensical as "islamophobia":  there is no such thing as irrational wariness of people with a proven propensity for murder in the name of their "prophet".  You'd have to be insane not to be.

Paradoctor said...

It seems that I have triggered the anonymoid. He denies his own obvious rage, even as he slurs, curses and accuses. He confuses anecdotes with statistics, a common failing among those enthralled by motivated reasoning. For each of his lurid crime tales one could cite ten white crimes, each ten times worse; but of course such rationality would not change his fixed ideas, which he did not arrive at by reason.

Bur for the benefit of this blog's calmer readers, here are some links:

Lead and crime:
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health/
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-lead-crime-roundup-for-2018/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93crime_hypothesis
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2017/06/01/new-evidence-that-lead-exposure-increases-crime/
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27067615
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/01/03/how-lead-caused-americas-violent-crime-epidemic/#18df4dbe12c4

Rage addiction:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-shrink/201508/angers-allure-are-you-addicted-anger
https://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/4081/health/signs_that_rage_has_turned_into_an_addiction.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rageaholic
https://psychcentral.com/lib/is-anger-an-addiction/

For Dante on Wrath, see his "Inferno", Canto VII, lines 107-126.

To the rageoholic himself, I wish I could give him good advice that would not make him angrier still. Seriously, he needs help, but how to tell him that? How do I tell him that he isn't seeing things as they are? For instance, would it help if I were to inform him that I am as white as he is?

Paradoctor said...

Of course not; he'll just call me an honorary jig. Like I said, fixed ideas. What a pity!

Anonymous said...

"It seems that I have triggered the anonymoid."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

"He denies his own obvious rage, even as he slurs, curses and accuses."
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂What "slurs" would those be?  What "curses"?  Quote them, why don't you?  The only thing I accuse you of is being unable to support your original baseless insinuation (can't really call it a claim) that tetraethyl lead in gasoline (meaning Whitey) was responsible for grossly disproportionate black crime and violence.  I referenced accounts well before TEL was used, and well after TEL had been banned; I could go into detailed crime statistics but chose not to (they'd back me up 100%).  Your "rebuttal"... is to evade, deflect, deny and project.

Having your argument so easily eviscerated has unsettled you.  You're not accustomed to meeting with an intellect much superior to your own, let alone someone far more fluent in English.  You're not used to being whipped like a rented mule.  All I can say is, as long as you keep espousing the official Progressive Narrative you definitely should resign yourself to it.  That narrative is lies all the way down, and no decent or honest person can have anything to do with it.

"For each of his lurid crime tales one could cite ten white crimes, each ten times worse"

For each of which you'd have to reach back years or decades or centuries, while I'd have to search back perhaps days.  When was the last time a white man robbed a store, bound two black women and set them on fire?  I doubt you can find ONE example to counter this one.  When more than 50% of violent crime in the USA is the doing of niggers, you've set yourself a hopeless task.

"To the rageoholic himself, I wish I could give him good advice that would not make him angrier still."

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Gotta be projection there, I'm WAY amused and mellow right now.

"For instance, would it help if I were to inform him that I am as white as he is?"

Are you white, or a (((special person)))?  The "hello, fellow white people" thing is aging out of usefulness fast.

Paradoctor said...

Hey field, the anonymoid responds vigorously to being triggered. He splatters lies, slurs, and emoticons all over the page. To see a sloppier mess, you'd have to visit a porn site. And wonder of wonders, all the while he denies being upset! He's very impressed with himself, for reasons clear only to him. That is not the activity of a mind that's normal, or above average.

And field, I am pleased that he, in his blind rage, accidentally called me a jigaboo. It is truly an honor; for a fool's insult is praise, and a scoundrel's curse is a blessing.

And what's with the (((triple parentheses)))? It seems to be some sort of code, but he doesn't explain it, so what's the (((reason))) for it? Why is he so shy? Is he anxious? Afraid? Ashamed? And since he doesn't define his furtive code, someone might use it (((at))) random, in a way that's absurd, or surreal, or even (((kangaroo))). For (((God's))) sake, someone might even appropriate it for (((satire))), in a way that triggers the poor...

...(((anonymoid))).

Anonymous said...

"the anonymoid responds vigorously to being triggered."

You, trigger anyone?  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂  You wish.  I read your stuff, laugh at your pathetic ass, and go on to more worthwhile things.  If I find myself desiring a diversion I come back later and troll you again.  You have been paying off in laughs like a loose Vegas slot machine.

"He splatters lies, slurs, and emoticons all over the page."

I challenged you to show the "slurs" and "curses", which you failed to do.  Now you've escalated to "lies".  I bet you can't quote any of those either.  And I am still here laughing at your pathetic ass.

"I am pleased that he, in his blind rage, accidentally called me a jigaboo."

It wasn't accidental.  Few legitimate white people are such solid members of Team Black, even as Team Black works to deny them and their descendants education, jobs, and even life itself.  Most of the rest are of the (((tribe))).

"And what's with the (((triple parentheses)))?"

Oh, puh-LEESE!  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂  You canNOT honestly deny that you don't know it's shorthand for "names that echo through history", meaning J*ws... those who are all "hello, fellow white people" when convenient and "I'm not white, I'm J*wish" when otherwise?  It's only been a social media scandal for what, a couple of years now?

Nobody can be that ignorant, and if you truly are... but DAMN it's no wonder you are still able to believe what you write.  Sergeant Schultz is PhD material compared to you.

Paradoctor said...

Field, he dances like a puppet. Case in point:
<<
You, trigger anyone? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
>>
Well, yes. There it is, field, plain as day. You can see for yourself.

So he's not long on awareness of self. Nor irony, despite his giggle. It is easy to talk way over his head.

Forgive me, field, for feeding the troll, but I wanted to examine this specimen. It has been most educational. Thank you for running this troll sanctuary.


Anonymous said...

"There it is, field, plain as day. You can see for yourself."

The only thing you got right is "emoticons"... which I copypasta'd from PilotX.  Know what everyone can see for themselves, if they bother to look?  File this under "SJWs Always Lie":

Your talk about lead causing black problems:  indefensible and abandoned.

Your talk about aggression, impulsivity, irritability, and low IQ of "trolls":  indefensible and abandoned.

Your talk about slurs, curses and accusations:  indefensible and abandoned.

Your talk about splattering lies and slurs:  indefensible and abandoned.

But as soon as I mentioned J*ws, you shied away like a vampire exposed to garlic.  You won't TOUCH that one!  High verbal ability, high neuroticism, shameless lying... that wasn't hard to put together.  😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

"So he's not long on awareness of self."

SJWs Always Project, and naming the J*w is like a stake through the vampire's heart.