What do you think will be the final outcome of the Derek Chuavin trial? And how will the result (whatever it is) impact the psyche of the country?
Monday, April 19, 2021
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What do you think will be the final outcome of the Derek Chuavin trial? And how will the result (whatever it is) impact the psyche of the country?
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Guilty and there will be an over reaction by police unlike on Jan. 6th. So in essence not much will change.
If the verdict is guilty, magats will be screaming trial fraud and demanding recounts while threatening the jurors with all kinds of mayhem.
Judge unloaded on Maxine Waters today, claiming her outburst could be cause for an appeal. Where was this judge and any others while drumpf constantly shot his mouth off when his associates got justice in their trials?
I doubt anything will change.
What do you think will be the final outcome of the Derek Chuavin trial?
Violence.
If I had to guess, I’d say that Chauvin will get convicted of one of the lower-level charges, like second-degree manslaughter, but not murder. The crowds gathered in Minneapolis will be almost as unhappy with this outcome as with an acquittal, and there is a risk they may riot anyway — at which point the National Guard will beat the living crap out of them.
How will the country react to this? Well, if there is more rioting, the “psyche of the country” will be affected in the sense that political division will increase and the appetite for police reform will fall. So I hope that doesn’t happen.
What do you think will be the final outcome of the Derek Chauvin trial?
Gut wrenching disappointment.
Well, the so-called legal experts writing about it today all said there was very little chance of a total acquittal, but Chauvin is a white cop, so I say it's a very real possibility.
Even if he is convicted, he will appeal, and the appeal will be heard long enough after the murder that the mood of the country will have calmed, and he'll probably get his convictions overturned.
As long as enough people buy into the law enforcement model that the cops have the right to slaughter you for anything they might sense as disobedience, the cops will have free rein to murder us.
If and when we decide otherwise, perhaps changes can be made, but they will cause a violent backlash from the folks who are used to having the government's imprimatur to abuse and kill people they don't like.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
“Well, the so-called legal experts writing about it today all said there was very little chance of a total acquittal, but Chauvin is a white cop, so I say it's a very real possibility.”
He won’t get acquitted. But all it would take is one bigot on the jury who thinks George Floyd deserved what he got, or one reflexive defender of the cops, and then there’d be a mistrial.
The prosecutors would, of course, try him again, but if that trial were also to end in a mistrial ... maybe they’d give up and let him walk.
This would be an unlikely turn of events, but a possible one.
Regardless of the outcome, white scumacysts will be trundled up in camo and face masks and foment trouble in the name of antifa to spark worse riots than before. Count on it.
Fake Noize will keep the violent left lie narrative simmering day and night.
If the verdict doesn't come in today, someone is holding out.
I have no real idea what the verdict will be. From my experience serving on several juries, and if I had to choose I'd guess hung jury. It takes only one juror to return this result. It's difficult to imagine there isn't at least on Trump loving juror on the panel. I hope I'm wrong.
If not a hung jury, I expect a lesser charge verdict and an inappropriately light sentence outside of the sentencing guidelines.
Manslaughter or murder 3, then there will be an appeal. It will be based on that fool of a judge's view, that jurors might be more affected by what a California congresswomen says than a major celebrity or one else on the globe. Why, because she's in the government? Since when does that make her more influential than a Hollywood star or a sports hero or religious leader?
And then on appeal, anything can happen.
curious what Field would say about the power of Aunt Maxine to overturn the decision.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/4/20/2026732/-The-Judge-more-than-Maxine-Waters-may-have-caused-a-appealable-issue?utm_campaign=recent
Problem is, Maxine is absolutely correct: if he is acquitted a massive miscarriage of justice will have occurred and we the people then have the responsibility to let them know that it is not OK.
If there weren't a long list of similar miscarriages of justice, perhaps her statements could be criticized as inappropriate, but there is a long list, and something has to happen to keep it from getting even longer.
I would prefer the election of legislators and law enforcement officials who are dedicated to changing the root causes of these abuses, but in the mean time something needs to be done to stop the extrajudicial slaughter, and the judge may be in denial about that, but that just makes a massive response all the more necessary.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Well, they've reached a verdict, which they will read in about an hour.
Perhaps it's a good omen that Michael Slager just lost his appeal of his 20 year sentence for murdering Walter Scott.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
“Perhaps it's a good omen that Michael Slager just lost his appeal of his 20 year sentence for murdering Walter Scott.“
👍🏾
Murder one. Life with possibility of parole
Good link, Anotherbozo. Thanks.
Guilty on all three counts.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Derek Chuavin has been railroaded.
VIDEO: Black Ex-deputy accused of killing 3 in Austin taken into custody in Manor:
https://fox4beaumont.com/news/local/three-people-shot-in-reported-active-attack-in-nw-austin
PICTURED: Three black friends who were shot dead while drinking at a packed Wisconsin bar by a black man who had been kicked out but returned with a shotgun:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9483949/Police-3-dead-2-wounded-shooting-Wisconsin-tavern.html
"Bottom rail on top this time."
“Derek Chuavin has been railroaded.“
Yeah we know, he should have been acquitted in less than an hour and then sold his story to Look magazine.🙄
9 Children Shot at Louisiana Birthday Party, 2 Still Hospitalized with Wounds to Head and Stomach: Negro violence.
https://people.com/crime/9-children-shot-at-louisiana-birthday-party-2-still-hospitalized/
1 black Woman Killed, 4 blackChildren Shot in Alabama Park Shooting on Easter by other negroes.
Areyelle Yarbrough was pronounced dead at the scene.
https://people.com/crime/1-woman-killed-4-children-shot-alabama-park-shooting-easter/
Aspiring black Nurse Who Was Fatally Shot by negores in Front of Her Children Threw Body Across Baby to Save Infant.
https://people.com/crime/fla-mom-fatally-shot-in-front-of-children-while-holding-baby/
Really surprised the verdict was so forceful. Tucky Fucky carlson has a sad. +1 for justice.
As the guilty verdict was being read, cops in Columbus Ohio responded to a call for help from a 15 year old Black girl by killing her.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Meaningless to society. Guilty or innocent, same results from the usual suspects.
Even if Chauvin is guilty as sin, there is not one piece of evidence--credible or even circumstantial--to suggest that race played 1 part in 1 billion in the encounter. That doesn't matter. Idiots who wanted to be violent and rage used it as an excuse, and they were backed by major cities and government and media all along the way. And still are backed.
It's the epitome of low-IQ reasoning to suggest America is systemically racist when America has sat back and actually supported black looting and violence for more than a year now. 90% of the Republicans are all for it. Every single major corporation puts BLM up and donates. Every single leftist politician stumps for violence and calls for more of it. Media glorifies it 24/7.
This is nothing but the beginning of what the Frankfurt Marxists have been trying to do in America for a century now. They could never convince poor people to hate the rich, as most poor people want to be rich. But they can sure as fuck convince idiots and midwits that we have some racial separation in America, and this gets people to fighting in ways no other issue can.
Those BLM bitches weigh like 300 pounds and show up with brand new hair weave and clothes to shout about how oppressed they are. LMFAO
What amazes me is that it doesn't dawn on more people that they're being used to foment revolution, while our government builds fences and protects itself with an army. Of course, there's a certain group of people who wouldn't care anyway; they just wanna go loot and shit.
We're close to being a third-world shithole, so some folks are gonna feel right at home. Don't piss in the dirt; we'll need that for cookies later.
Yup, it's the same moron.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Great, Josh is back to spread his “wisdom” to the masses. Wonder what he was doing during his time away. Could he have been writing a new book or getting another Masters degree? Probably not. Welcome back sir, we’ve missed your incoherent racist ramblings. You certainly raise the level of discourse. 😆
Hey Field, have you seen this?
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/philly-da/
The gaslighting has already begun as pundits claim Maxine Water's speech is not free. The jury was supposed to be sequestered, so I'm going to say they never heard anything she said. What they don't get is this type of gaslighting ain't gonna fly any more.
I wish I had the guts to predict it. What a glorious day. But you and I know this isn't the beginning of a new era of understanding. Far from it. I cringe at the idea of what the right-wing crazies are saying today. No doubt I will soon know.
But the jury had no choice. Even if this does add fuel to the fire of the chasm between left and right, it was Chauvin's choice, not ours. No riots today.
Praise God. Black Lives Matter.
I couldn't believe the little nine-year old girl who testified that Chauvin didn't let up on his death-hold until paramedics ordered him to do so. What a brave little soldier. In-fucking-credible.
Burn in hell, racist motherfuckers.
“Yup, it's the same moron.“
Hey, watch who you call a moron sir! I’ll have you know young Josh is a published writer with a Masters degree! Now that is some high level troll qualification.😆😂
Anonymous said...
Derek Chuavin has been railroaded.
5:28 PM
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LOL! I guess you don't want us to believe our lyin' eyes.
Let's please remember the witnesses who videoed the killing of George Floyd; without them this verdict never would have happened.
Remember the original statement by the police said that Floyd died of a medical issue while in police custody, and without the witnesses' videos, that would have been the end of it, just like it is in innumerable other incidents where nobody got the evidence on video.
Now to just hope that he doesn't get the convictions overturned on appeal.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
So American coal miners are beginning to figure out what Chinese coal miners figured out ten years ago: almost any other occupation would be an improvement over coal mining, and they would be wise to get with the program which has abandoned coal already and try something that will still be growing in five years.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
"almost any other occupation would be an improvement over coal mining"
Yup. Illinois was a big coal producing state for decades. If you talk to a coal miner ask them if they want their kids to follow in their footsteps.So far everyone I've asked said no.
Oh good, just what the country needs now. Remember this clown (and his equally clownish wife)?
Mark McCloskey, gun-toting St. Louis lawyer, considering Senate bid
Hi Mr Racist troll @ 7:34 PM. Please Google the name Kenneth Gleason. His trial is going on now in Louisiana.
So do you suppose that Josh's last name might be Hawley?
-Doug in Sugar Pine
If you can talk you can breath.
More out of control negro violence:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/columbus-ohio-shooting-makhia-bryant-police-bodycam-video/
If black lives really mattered in the black community, why to black people kill and maim each other on a daily basis?????
Negro violence is a bottomless pit........
Chicago April 2021 To Date:
Shot & Killed: 36
Shot & Wounded: 171
Total Shot: 207
Total Homicides: 40
81.4% Black
13.7% Hispanic
“If you can talk you can breath.“
If you can put your knee on someone’s neck you can serve 40+ years for murder.👊🏿
The report's (Kerner commission) best known passage warned: "Our nation is moving toward two societies, one black, one white—separate and unequal." The report was a strong indictment of white America: "What white Americans have never fully understood — but what the Negro can never forget — is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it."
12 year old genius starting college, wants to be NASA engineer.😃 Wonder if our resident orbital engineer started college at 12😆
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/living/story/12-year-genius-sights-set-nasa-engineer-76923842?fbclid=IwAR0RPzxHGkSACjJOCtqEgVwGw9Exi-d1-rF4w6w0ae8yj4fet3DErNsG50Y
“So do you suppose that Josh's last name might be Hawley?“
He’s certainly dumb and racist enough.🤷🏾♂️
"'So do you suppose that Josh's last name might be Hawley?'
He’s certainly dumb and racist enough."
Josh Hawley isn't dumb. He's a Yale Law grad.
He only plays a dumb guy on TV, and assumes deliberately dumb policy positions, because Hawley's voters ARE dumb and he wants to keep them happy.
Lori Lightfoot: Chicago Mayor to Resign After Being Caught Cheating on Wife?
There is speculation on social media that Lori Lightfoot will submit her resignation tomorrow morning over an alleged cheating scandal involving another woman:
https://www.ibtimes.sg/lori-lightfoot-chicago-mayor-tender-resignation-after-being-caught-cheating-wife-56915
Speaking of cheating, was Matt Gaetz alleged to have had sex with a minor? What's going on with that case?
https://www.skeptic.com/research-center/reports/Research-Report-CUPES-007.pdf
Pilot@12:05, not yet, but I plan to check it out.
Breonna Taylor’s mom slams BLM chapter in Louisville as a ‘fraud’
https://nypost.com/2021/04/17/breonna-taylors-mom-slams-blm-louisville-as-a-fraud/
Breonna Taylor’s mother blasts Black Lives Matter movement
https://news.yahoo.com/breonna-taylor-mother-blasts-black-155635973.html
"If you can talk you can breath."
But can you spell?
If you can talk you can partially exhale, but inhaling is a requirement for breathing, and if you can't inhale, you die.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
It seems like it would be sensible for Chauvin's lawyers to appeal the charge of 2nd degree murder, which was based on his having committed an assault that led to George Floyd's death.
It's not clear that a law enforcement officer restraining a subject in order to make a lawful arrest can ever constitute an "assault," even if the force used was excessive. A higher court might decide it can't.
He does have a good chance of having his convictions overturned on appeal as the eighth circuit is composed of three Reagan appointees, three poppy Bush appointees, seven W appointees, four Fergus appointees and one Obama appointee.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
"Josh Hawley isn't dumb."
I need more evidence of this. So far your supposition is suspect.
Remember when Trump used his amazing deal-making abilities to get a big electronics plant built in Wisconsin, to bring manufacturing jobs back from overseas to the good ol’ US of A? Boy, he really taught those dirty foreigners a lesson!
Foxconn mostly abandons $10 billion Wisconsin project touted by Trump
Anonymous Anonymous said...
If black lives really mattered in the black community, why to black people kill and maim each other on a daily basis?????
4:43 PM
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For the same reason white men maim and kill one another on a daily basis.
Male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known.
When authoritarians and abusers are confronted or held to account for their behavior they almost always escalate.
Armed black Thieves pull gun on parking garage employee, steal luxury cars: video:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/thieves-pull-gun-on-parking-garage-worker-steal-cars-video/
For the same reason white men maim and kill one another on a daily basis.
Male violence is the greatest human rights crisis the world has ever known.
11:44 AM
Incorrect libtard. Blacks only account for 13% of the US population, yet account for 75%+ of the the violent crime.
The bulk of the crime is black on black, they kill their own like genocide. its not white people like the lying MSN pukes out its blacks.
Negroes trying to kill each other again:
https://nypost.com/2021/04/21/bodycam-footage-released-of-columbus-officers-fatal-shooting-of-teen-girl/
Police: Gabriel Dewitt Wilson(negro) In Custody After Deadly Shooting At West Hempstead Stop & Shop
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/04/21/stop-and-shop-shooting-west-hempstead/
Texas Black Man Accused of Using Wrestling Moves on Toddler, Holding Him Like Football Charged With Capital Murder:
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-man-accused-using-wrestling-moves-toddler-holding-him-like-football-charged-capital-murder-1585490
Here is the guide to ending qualified immunity. The world didn’t end as Republicans predicted.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.denverpost.com/2021/03/22/colorado-police-reform-ketamine-no-knock-warrants/amp/
Michigan pigs escalate littering into potential capitol crime without breaking a sweat....
https://www.rawstory.com/grand-rapids-police-abuse-littering/
More video of killing of 13 year old in Chicago makes the pig's version more suspicious. Kid had clearly, on video, thrown the gun behind the fence and was clearly, shown with flashlight shining on him, unarmed with both hands above his head.
“Here is the guide to ending qualified immunity. The world didn’t end as Republicans predicted.”
It’s not clear that legislators even can end qualified immunity, since it’s a judicial doctrine that was created by the Supreme Court in the first place. They can try, but police officers may sue, and SCOTUS may shoot these laws down.
“They can try, but police officers may sue, and SCOTUS may shoot these laws down.“
Working so far in CO. Legislators can pass any law that they see fit and it is up to the courts to rule on its legality. Judges don’t make laws.
https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/lower-courts-agree-its-time-to-end-qualified-immunity/
“Judges don’t make laws.”
Not how things work in practice. SCOTUS rulings often function no differently than a law.
Speaking of SCOTUS, it recently moved the criminal justice system in the wrong direction by effectively restoring the right to sentence juveniles to life without parole, which had been ruled unconstitutional by previous rulings.
Brett Kavanaugh’s Opinion Restoring Juvenile Life Without Parole Is Dishonest and Barbaric
“Not how things work in practice.”
Well kinda actually yes, legislators still pass laws. 🤷🏾♂️
Qualified immunity will stick around until local governments lose their fear of police unions. Also, local courts work with police every day, and getting them to hold their own team members accountable has been difficult even when said team members are caught doing serious crime. Passing a state or federal law is one thing, getting the locals to enforce it is another.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
“Passing a state or federal law is one thing, getting the locals to enforce it is another.“
True statement.
Magats ignored precedence in that Scotus case and Sotomayor's dissent blistered Kavanaugh's lying ass about it, too.
https://www.rawstory.com/sonia-soto/
“Well kinda actually yes, legislators still pass laws.”
And SCOTUS still overrules those laws as it sees fit.
So if SCOTUS decides qualified immunity flows directly from the Constitution, or some other fundamental principle of law, and cannot be ended, then legislation to end qualified immunity becomes impossible, without changing the composition of the court.
So how could the far right "America First" Anglo-Saxon fetish caucus fail with such heavy hitters as Louie Gohmert and Matt Gaetz on the team?
Oh, right, they had Louie Gohmert and Matt Gaetz on the team.
I told you the goddamn Republicans would get worse than Fergus.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Shorter cops: "Giving aid and support to murderers is bad."
From WaPo via Crooks and Liars:
In September, an anonymous donor sent $25 to the legal fund of Kyle Rittenhouse, an 18-year-old charged with fatally shooting two men at a protest last summer, along with a note of support proclaiming, “You’ve done nothing wrong.”
Last week, a data breach revealed exactly who had sent that message and money, according to a report by the Guardian: Norfolk Police Lt. William K. Kelly.
Now, the city of Norfolk has fired Kelly, formerly the No. 2 official in the Norfolk Police Department’s internal affairs division, after an internal investigation found he had violated city and department policies by sending the donation and note.
“His egregious comments erode the trust between the Norfolk Police Department and those they are sworn to serve,” City Manager Chip Filer said in a statement Tuesday.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
“So how could the far right ‘America First’ Anglo-Saxon fetish caucus fail with such heavy hitters as Louie Gohmert and Matt Gaetz on the team?”
I’m surprised these folks suddenly got cold feet. They can’t have been too surprised that people responded with outrage to news of their little Ku Klux Kaucus. They must have been expecting that reaction, no? And most of them are trolls who usually revel in provoking outrage, so I don’t fully understand why they’re now walking back their plans.
mike from iowa said...
More video of killing of 13 year old in Chicago makes the pig's version more suspicious. Kid had clearly, on video, thrown the gun behind the fence and was clearly, shown with flashlight shining on him, unarmed with both hands above his head.
2:08 PM
and then he pulls a knife on the officer. The Marxist MSN leaves that part out.
Liberals need to join the police department and go out on calls and deal with gorilla man and get back to us......
“and then he pulls a knife on the officer. The Marxist MSN leaves that part out.”
No, there was no knife. Adam Toledo was unarmed and surrendering at the moment he was killed.
But there is a valid question as to whether the police officer could reasonably have understood this. The kid ditched the gun and then immediately turned around and tried to surrender. The officer was presented with a split-second decision, and he got it wrong, but how many officers in the same situation could have gotten it right?
"They must have been expecting that reaction, no?"
I read that they were surprised by the pushback they got from their own party. That will happen when you believe your own propaganda.
Josh Hawley can fuck right off.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
"Liberals need to join the police department and go out on calls and deal with gorilla man and get back to us......"
How about living for 35 years in the poor neighborhoods where those police are dispatched to and seeing how utterly worthless they are day in and day out instead?
-Doug in Sugar Pine
Fergus can fuck right off also:
How Trump Stalled $20 Billion in Relief for Puerto Rico
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Washington Post: “The Trump administration put up bureaucratic obstacles that stalled approximately $20 billion in hurricane relief for Puerto Rico and then obstructed an investigation into the holdup, according to an inspector general report.”
NBC News: New probe confirms Trump officials blocked Puerto Rico from receiving hurricane aid.
-Doug in Sugar Pine
“And SCOTUS still overrules those laws as it sees fit“
And around we go.......
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