Wednesday, December 03, 2008

You better come clean Obama, before it's too late. Are you an American citizen?

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Barrack Hussein Obama why won't you produce your birth certificate for the A-merry-can people? Are you afraid that you will be discovered and it could trigger a constitutional crisis? The truth will set you free Obama, it will set all of us free. And people of good will are not giving up this fight. They will press on until the truth is made known to every A-merry-can who might have been fooled by you....

And we can thank Philip Berg for carrying on this fight. Yes he lost a round to the Pennsylvania Supremes but what do they know? The Supreme Court of these divided States will be next, and the truth will be sure to come out t then. Barack Hessian Obama was born in Kenya, and he renounced his A-merry-can citizenship years ago. Look it up. Open your eyes people, real A-merry-cans are all over this Obama charade......


No, but seriously, I thought this whole Obama wasn't a citizen thing was over and done with. Hell even some of the loofs on the right (a loof is a backwards fool in case you were wondering)realized that this claim was a little....well, ridiculous. But the Chicago Tribune, a well respected paper, actually allowed these conspiracy folks to take out a full page ad. (*see pic above) and some of the folks on the right are looking for something, anything, to keep that Negro out of the people's house. This, in spite of the fact that the case has been tossed by various state Supreme Courts and the Obama camp actually produced the O man's actual birth certificate.



Oh come on field haven't you ever heard of Photoshop? But don't laugh people, one of the cases might actually become a full blown case before the Supremes ,because it is scheduled for a conference on December 5th. Now I don't want to scare you Obamaholics, but it looks like the Justice who moved the memo along which allowed the case to be scheduled for a conference, was none other than your favorite Uncle. Yeah, that one. Hey, the Supremes gave us one President we didn't want, wouldn't it be like them to take away one that we did.









I know the chances are slim, but there is still a chance that I might not have to make that little "au naturale" run after all. Isn't A-merry-ca full of surprises?





80 comments:

sharon in ct said...

Well obviously the hospital, the doctors and nurses, the parents, the grandparents, the neighbors, the ticket agents, the stewardesses, and the State Departments of both the US and Kenya were all in on the conspiracy and have kept the secret for the last 47 years. Didn't you hear that that was the real reason Obama went to Hawaii just a week before the election, to bump off the last witnesses? Yep, it's the Clintons all over again. Who knows how many mysterious deaths and "suicides" the reich-wingers will find even before Inauguration Day?

blackwomenblowthetrumpet.blogspot.com said...

Hey Field Negro!!

That Kenyan birth certificate in the side bar is just totally HILL-AIR-EEE=OUS!!
*LOL*

I am on the floor cracking up!! *LOL*

First they wanted to say he was a Muslim since he was attending a church that promoted Black Liberation theology and he didn't know anything about it...now...they want to say he's not even an American citizen?!!

The next thing that will happen is that there will be media reports that some elderly Kenyan woman is saying she was the one who was called in to help deliver Barack in her village....

This is sooo beyond vile racism....

C. Baptiste-Williams said...

like the republicans have ever let a swift boat go by without pouncing on it...

cant they just give these idiots Idaho and let them leave the Union.

Jody said...

These loons are laughable. Phillip Berg, contrary to their assertions is not a prominent lawyer in Philadelphia and is known in the legal community here for filing ridiculous and frivolous lawsuits, which he loses.

Seriously, nothing will satisfy these nut jobs. Obama presented the birth certificate to the folks at FactCheck.org, they examined it and declared it valid, so the loons decided they were in cahoots to conspire. I am quite sure that when, not IF, when this suit is thrown out, they will say the supremes were bought off, despite the fact that the majority are republican appointments.

My deepest sympathies to President Elect Obama for all the fools, or loofs, he will have to suffer. It annoys me these loofs waste the country's time. There are too many very serious issue that must be addressed to be bothered with this foolishness.

sharon in ct said...

Ah, I missed the Kenyan birth certificate the first time! But can you make it a little larger? I can't quite read the name.

Love the photo of the Republican Party. That's a mighty small tent!

And excellent choice for Movie of the Day. Great movie, and one of my all-time favorite songs.

Anonymous said...

Where all laughing but the Right leaning justices on the court might give this guy a bone.
Hopefully, they will throw this crap out of court. Because otherwise we'd never hear the end of the loonies on the right saying see "Obama might not be legal".

I swear these folks should have there own show called "If your Insane you just might be a Republican".

Anonymous said...

Where all laughing but the Right leaning justices on the court might give this guy a bone.
Hopefully, they will throw this crap out of court. Because otherwise we'd never hear the end of the loonies on the right saying see "Obama might not be legal".

I swear these folks should have there own show called "If your Insane you just might be a Republican".

Sfd928 said...

Nice try Field! This crap is going away and it won't even be a blip on the evening news. You better keep figuring out ways to keep your yoself warm in that there chilly Philly weather run down Broad street!

I thought this was an interesting comment from Wizbang:

"The Obama camp knew, immediately, that the whole birth certificate issue was bogus. It was a valid document, showing that Obama was born in the United States and a citizen thereof, and had nothing like a different name or declaration of religion or anything else. But someone in the Obama camp heeded Napoleon's legendary counsel to "never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake," and let the nuts run with the story for weeks, knowing that all the energy poured into this red herring would be energy that would not be funneled into other, more potentially fruitful, alleys."

field negro said...

Sfd928, yes the Wizbang folks actually try to be rational at times (TRY).And don't worry, I am still training.

Sharon..I am going to try and enlarge that for you. But I have to warn you, I am not very tech savvy, so anything could happen. The words on it are pretty funny though, so I will try.

Jody, you are so right about Berg. He has actually appeared before me before. And yep, he is a trip.

"..cant they just give these idiots Idaho and let them leave the Union"

No C. Baptiste.., I like Boise State, they play good football. Let's give them Montana.

field negro said...

Sharon in ct. you are good. I see we have a word association player on our hands. :)

Woe said...

Hey Field, anything to get outta taking that run huh? lol.

Let these Repussicans have their fun while it lasts.

Rastamick61 said...

One of the pesky right wingnuts on local radio was beating this drum the other day. Seems the case gets weakened significantly by the very shaky cred of the people trying to fan it into a blaze. They need this right now, they're all in W-ithdrawl.

Anonymous said...

Our favorite House Negro Alan Keys is in on the act too. I was reading about it on Essence.com last week.

Speaking of Birthing Babies, check this out:

http://bojack.org/2008/12/sarah_palins_fake_pregnancy_be.html

sharon in ct said...

"I see we have a word association player on our hands. :)"

Hey, I didn't go to law school for nothing, y'know!

Leota2 said...

What must it be like to be one of the lunatics who'd rather sell their own children than have Obama in the White House?

I want to laugh--but my incredulity keeps choking me up as I try to fathom their desperation and stupidity.

Kellybelle said...

If one of your parents is a US citizen living in the USofA aren't you automatically a citizen? This is stupid. I'm amazed at how small-minded people (Republicans) are. But then again, maybe if we on the left had put this kind of energy toward keeping W. out of office the world would be a better palce.

Ted said...

Folks, this is NOT rocket science.
Since the Constitution’s Article II requires our President to be a “natural born citizen” (not merely a “citizen” as allowed for those living when the Constitution was enacted), meaning both parents were US “citizens” when the child was born (altho parents need not be “natural born” citizens), there’s NO WAY Obama can be President — regardless of being born in Kenya OR Hawaii — that is, to be “natural born citizen” (as opposed to being a “citizen”) being born on American soil is insufficient unless both parents are “citizens”. Obama’s dad was NOT an American citizen. He was a citizen of the UK (administering Kenya at the time).
Case closed.

R.J. said...

These people are in serious denial. If they don't like A-merry-ca, they can always leave. Canada has a two-year wait, and they need all the conservatives they can get before they become extinct.

grinder said...

The certificate that Obama produced was actually a "certification of live birth" and not the original birth certificate, which remains on file in Hawaii and has not been released.

Obama can order the original released at any time he wants, but he has chosen not to. My guess as to why is as good as anyone else's. It is this: I think Obama was born in Hawaii, but that the actual certificate would show one of two things: That he was adopted, or that his parents weren't married.

Either one of those alternatives would be potentially embarrassing. Neither would bother me, but then a lot of things that bother a lot of other people don't bother me. I think the idea that Obama was born in Kenya is very far-fetched.

That said, I think that Obama's actual birth certificate should be presented to the U.S. Supreme Court for verification. The U.S. constitution requires that a president be "natural born," so Obama should be required to prove it.

grinder said...

to be “natural born citizen” (as opposed to being a “citizen”) being born on American soil is insufficient unless both parents are “citizens”

This is simply false. By well-established legalThe term natural born citizen means someone born on U.S. soil, which includes U.S. territorial possessions.

For instance, the child of illegal Mexican immigrants is a "natural born American citizen" if born in this country. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the citizenship of the parents.

This was established a long time before the Mexican immigration controversy, and long before Obama's father arrived here. If you're born on American soil, you are a citizen. Period.

grinder said...

Above, I meant to write, "By long established legal precedent ..."

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Oh Lawd, some folks just don't give up do they. Whelp, it won't work. Nope! What the man needs to do is start practicing getting use to saying "President Obama" and not just for one term either, because he is going to show folks how to be a leader, a real leader.

While surfing the net, I stopped by Hal Turner's to see what the old racist is up to, because he seems to have an insider thing on knowing what our government is up to. Sometimes I wonder if Hannity is tipping Hal off and giving him insider tips since they are big buddies and all. Hal sure knew all about the Banking crisis before it happened and a few other things. Now, he is bringing up something else that is interesting about what is really going on with the American US Dollar. Anyway, here is the link.

http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

"Folks, this is NOT rocket science."

It isn't. Obama would have been washed out of the race two years ago if all you say about having two American citizens as parents was a prerequisite to becoming POTUS. Or are you saying you Freeper loons are the only ones that can see the truth.

Ernesto said...

Nothing "Uncle" Thomas does would surprise me.

I'm just glad it's the wingnuts' turn to get ulcers for the next several years. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

Clark said...

The natural citizen issue is a bit more nuanced, but basically it's either/or. As I understand it - born here, while his mother was here legally, or the child of a citizen. Obama qualifies on both counts. John McCain was born in Panama, in the canal zone. He qualifies, too.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Grinder:

"By well-established legalThe term natural born citizen means someone born on U.S. soil, which includes U.S. territorial possessions."

Amen grinder!

Ernesto:

Amen Ernesto! However, like cancer their hatred is going to destroy them.

Tafaraji said...

That was really funny prose Field, especially this line;"look it up". Anyway, I'm glad that more folks are talking about it. I've been following the drama in my spare time. These folks are relentless and they are not going away, but neither is our black Potus. God Bless O-merica!

blackwomenblowthetrumpet.blogspot.com said...

@ KellyBelle

Well...little Shiloh was born in Namibia and both of her parents are American citizens...well...Angelina could be part African...it's sooo hard to tell sometimes.....

If a baby is born to an American citizen who has primary residency in this country then the baby is automatically an American citizen.

You can fly to any country and have your baby and come back to the U.S. with your baby and your baby will be an American citizen but you have to apply for a birth certificate for your baby when you get to the U.S.!

This issue about WHERE Barack was born is absolutely a smoke-screen....

nyc/caribbean ragazza said...

They are tripping.

It doesn't matter what Obama's father's citizenship was.

Obama was born in the U.S. he is an American citizen. Until the law is changed, anyone born in America is a citizen regardless of their parents citizenship.

I was born in America but my parents have dual citizenship. As their child so do I. I have never lived in St Martin or France but I do have a French passport.

Black Diaspora said...

@Granny: "...he is bringing up something else that is interesting about what is really going on with the American US Dollar."

Granny, this country, along with Canada, and Mexico, have put in place a proposal for an internation cooperation similar to what has occurred in Europe--the European Union. Goggle North American Union for more information on this collaboration.

It has been discussed for some time on my favorite radio program: CoastToCoastAM with George Noory.

If you'd like to stay abreast of similar such happenings, check it out here under the link: Listen Live. Noory's show is on from 10PM to 2AM Pacific time.

For sometime, North Carolina has been using the NAU symbol on drivers licenses issued in that state. Here's the link. Other Information may be found by Goggling it.

People need to wake up! I've posted this here once before about the NAU and the "Real ID", but no one, then, seemed interested.

I don't like the government speaking for We The People. If it does, how do we differentiate ourselves from other despotic governments throughout the world.

Miranda said...

(sigh)....don't you folks know the REAL truth about Barack Obama can be found in hidden symbols on the $10 bill??

field negro said...

(sigh)....don't you folks know the REAL truth about Barack Obama can be found in hidden symbols on the $10 bill??

Miranda, I thought it was the $1 bill. *!*

Jody said...

Ted, Ted, Ted.......

Your definition of what defines a natural born US citizen is incorrect. I know that Mr. Berg has convinced you otherwise. But, getting your facts from him is is like cheating off of the stupid kid on your high school social studies test. Both you and the stupid kid or gonna fail.

Do you seriously think that Hillary Clinton, when she was clawing and fighting for the nomination, would NOT have used this if it were true?

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
say it with me now
PRES-I-DENT BA-RACK O-BA-MA.
See... its not that hard.

Anonymous said...

jody is right about the chiltons, i'm sure they used everything they had on barry. this whole birth certificate thing does have me and alot of peopel puzzled, i'm not really a conspiracy theorist but would'nt it wild if barry made it in the WH and 2or3 years down the road had to give it up because he was found to have been born in kenya!

RiPPa said...

That sidebar Kenyan Birth Certificate is killin me. Tell me you ain't turned Maury Povich on us Field.

ActsofFaithBlog said...

Let them keep running in circles until they turn into butter.

The Public Eye said...

Although I personally wouldn't mind seeing Obama removed from office (I don't discriminate - I don't hate him because he's African-American, or because he's a liberal, but simply because he is a politician), this conservative counter-reaction is more than a little absurd. It is sad to see these reactionary nitwits so blinded by ideological hatred that they would waste their money and time on THIS.

Of course, if nothing else, the right-wingers are guilty of impatience. I have no doubt that, like Clinton before him, Obama will give them more opportunities to score cheap political points than they'll know what to do with.

Zoda88 said...

And yet they failed at every opportunity. Neither the Bush Administration nor the neocons in both parties are as smart as they appear to be. It's just that everytime they do something dangerous or stupid, nobody stops them. See, this 'case' on Obama's country of origin is really their (Uncle Clarence, Alan Sleaze, etc.) way of saying "NO NEGRO CAN EVER BE MY PRESIDENT!!!111" It's really pathetic. Field, I think you'll have to keep training, 'cause you'll have to run eventually.

critter said...

to be “natural born citizen” (as opposed to being a “citizen”) being born on American soil is insufficient unless both parents are “citizens”

Are these the same loofs who complain about the illegal immigrants' 'anchor babies' ? (I apologize if the term is offensive.)

Hathor said...

I would bet that the original birth certificate that any president before the president elect would be not accepted today. Births certificates were issued by hospitals and reported to the state vitals statistics, many states never issued another, only a certified replacement. A birth would probably not been reported if you were born at home and your birth recorded in the family bible. These were in earlier times. I think now,the information is taken from the parents at the hospital and directly reported to the state, then the state issues the one and only birth certificate. I assume when Obama was born this was done in most states. I would say that what Barack Obama's was issued, is what we have to have today, to get a passport, to fly outside the US, before 9/11, Driver's License, ID's and for a FED job. My original birth certificate from the U of P hospital is not acceptable for any of those reasons, because it is not considered legal, Mr. Berg ought to know that if he was born in Pennsylvania.
I am actually puzzled as to what Hawaii has in its vault, the form that was filled out by the hospital. Do any databases now have paper backup.

Anonymous said...

Wait isnt his mother a white American woman from Kansas....How is he not a citizen

sharon in ct said...

Whatever birth certificate he, or more likely, his mother, presented in order for Obama to get his first US passport to visit his father in Kenya, apparently it was good enough for the US State Department.

As for Kenya, if the Kenyan government believed it had any jurisdiction over him at all, it would surely have exercised it by now. How many trips has he made over there? For example, Greece has (or had, I'm not sure if they still do) mandatory military service for all men. There have been any number of occasions when the Greek government has conscripted men who were born IN THE UNITED STATES of Greek parents, as soon as they set foot in Greece. Why wouldn't Kenya have done the same thing? Why isn't the Kenyan government even now claiming him as a citizen? (Ans: Because he is not, and never was, a Kenyan citizen.)

Lots of smoke and mirrors, but no substance to this feeble effort to disqualify him from office.

SoulOnIce said...

Brotha Field,

I'm not too sure if you've heard about this yet, but this article is in reference to a brother in Virginia, who has made it his mission to contribute to folks having the opportunity to experience the inauguration in person:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/04/businessman-offers-splashy-inauguration-package-for-free/

Anonymous said...

One simple question, why does he not show the entire nation his birth certificate and make these people shut up?

Above a see at least a couple of dozen different explinations?

öblio said...

I sure hope you have been working out at the gym. It will be a sad day for all when you make the run and look like a soggy old man

tjwash said...

Ted...wouldn't you be little happier commenting over at youtube?

Sharon from WI said...

You can fly to any country and have your baby and come back to the U.S. with your baby and your baby will be an American citizen but you have to apply for a birth certificate for your baby when you get to the U.S

If what these wingnuts are saying is remotely true, U.S. military brats born overseas would not qualify as American citizens. Now, wouldn't that be a sh!tty way to treat our service personnel?

Your kid is born in Berlin or Seoul while you're stationed abroad in service to your country and the poor little fella isn't a U.S. citizen.

I don't think so.

red devil said...

Are you fucking kidding me? Is this a joke?...I guess not.

Anonymous said...

Folks, this is NOT rocket science.
Since the Constitution’s Article II requires our President to be a “natural born citizen” (not merely a “citizen” as allowed for those living when the Constitution was enacted), meaning both parents were US “citizens” when the child was born (altho parents need not be “natural born” citizens), there’s NO WAY Obama can be President — regardless of being born in Kenya OR Hawaii — that is, to be “natural born citizen” (as opposed to being a “citizen”) being born on American soil is insufficient unless both parents are “citizens”. Obama’s dad was NOT an American citizen. He was a citizen of the UK (administering Kenya at the time).
Case closed.
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Gee...Then would Hillary or McCain would have bought this fact up in the past two years in order to stop Obama?! In less call me crazy here you might be reading the law wrong...Because best believe if this rumor had bite Clinton would have used it sooner and would have Karl Rove with McCain.

JJ said...

Field,
Please help me get this straight--

Berg submitted once to the Supreme Court and Justice Souter rejected it. Then Berg resubmitted it to Justice Clarence Thomas who made it possible for a conference on Dec 5?

My understanding is if 4 out of the 9 Justices vote to hear the case, the Rethugs get to bring their circus to court. I am not sure what might happen but anything can happen with the Supremes-- they DID put Bush in the White House.

One thing for sure, Clarence Thomas has been the Justice to go to for this. Field, I know you were being facetious when you called him our “favorite Uncle”. As far as I am concerned, he is not our uncle because there are no black Justices on the Supreme Court.

I am sick of him. He is the perfect example of the Peter Principle.

metricpenny said...

FN, I keep waiting for the news report -

Bare-butt Buck Tasered on Broad Street
Streaking for Obama!

Perp walk at 11!!

field negro said...

"FN, I keep waiting for the news report -

Bare-butt Buck Tasered on Broad Street
Streaking for Obama!

Perp walk at 11!!"

LOL!

PioneerValleyWoman said...

Comment:

Folks, this is NOT rocket science.
Since the Constitution’s Article II requires our President to be a “natural born citizen” (not merely a “citizen” as allowed for those living when the Constitution was enacted), meaning both parents were US “citizens” when the child was born (altho parents need not be “natural born” citizens), there’s NO WAY Obama can be President — regardless of being born in Kenya OR Hawaii — that is, to be “natural born citizen” (as opposed to being a “citizen”) being born on American soil is insufficient unless both parents are “citizens”. Obama’s dad was NOT an American citizen. He was a citizen of the UK (administering Kenya at the time).
Case closed.

My reply:

That is news to me, and a few others here. I was born in the U.S. to immigrant parents (resident aliens when I was born). My birth certificate gave the name of the country where they were born, states where I was born in the U.S., and that was it. No questions about whether I was American or not. Got a passport with no problem.

Almost had to register for the draft; the draft board made a mistake. Believing me to be a male citizen, they sent me a note. I replied, I'm female, American born, and that was that.

The issue this poster raises applies to "natural born" as compared to "naturalized" citizens.

Natural born Americans are those born on US soil, whether or not their parents were American (Obama, born Hawaii, of an American born mother and foreign born father) or those born of Americans elsewhere (John McCain born in Panama).

Naturalized are those who can not become president, like Schwartzenegger--there was in issue involving him a few years ago, when various Republican wanted him to run, but he could not, because he is a naturalized citizen, one who was born elsewhere but became a citizen once he immigrated and went through the citizenship process.

PioneerValleyWoman said...

As for children being born overseas, the parents can even get the birth certificate before they leave the foreign country--just go to the counselate and register the child's birth...

Marc B said...

Being born on American soil is the most basic requirement to become a US president. Obama's previous elected offices did not have this requirement, so there was no reason for this to have been checked out or made an issue worthy of journalistic investigation in the past.

While I respect the loyal opposition, the tactics of accusing anybody campaigning against his O-ness racist or kooks are intellectually weak. If you happen notice his consistent exposure to far-left politics from his youth, through college, and beyond and then track his voting record on issues and notice their may be some far-left leanings expressed there, calling him a Socialist is decried as a code word for racist. If you inquire about his origin and wonder why he has been so coy about providing his original birth certificate for validation (outside of Hawaii), you are a kook or a wing nut.

If black folks want to run for prominent office, supporters will have to find better ways of meeting challenges of their opposition other than name calling and stating that the assertion does not dignify a response. It is an intellectually weak and just throws out red herrings instead of providing counterpoints to valid arguments.

Sharon from WI said...

If black folks want to run for prominent office, supporters will have to find better ways of meeting challenges of their opposition other than name calling and stating that the assertion does not dignify a response.

Well Marc,

Thank God you came along and set us straight.

Roger said...

Oh, Marc, we're soooooo happy you've come along and told us ig'nunt darkies about 'de finer workins of politics on 'de Intarwebs. Thank you, white dude!

Sharon from WI said...

Roger: Oh, Marc, we're soooooo happy you've come along and told us ig'nunt darkies about 'de finer workins of politics on 'de Intarwebs. Thank you, white dude!

LOL. I so did not want to go there, but I am glad you did.

:-)

mattie said...

FIELD NEGRO, can you please tell me where the 58 comment's are? and where is my comment? I have a GOOGLE account on your website, so what's going on? this is not to be critical, but, you should put your front page in a better format, why is your front page limited to a side bar? you have a entire front page, and yet, you have decided to leave a big open space unoccupied, why? is this, is this your way of being ORIGINAL?

grinder said...

Since the Constitution’s Article II requires our President to be a “natural born citizen” (not merely a “citizen” as allowed for those living when the Constitution was enacted), meaning both parents were US “citizens” when the child was born (altho parents need not be “natural born” citizens), there’s NO WAY Obama can be President

Stop lying. The definition of "natural born citizen" is to be born in the United States, period. Your father could be a citizen of Mars, and your mother a citizen of Neptune, but if you're born in the U.S. you would be a natural born American citizen.

Anyone who says anything other than that is an idiot, a liar, or both.

Anonymous said...

Leota2 said...

What must it be like to be one of the lunatics who'd rather sell their own children than have Obama in the White House?

I want to laugh--but my incredulity keeps choking me up as I try to fathom their desperation and stupidity.

Amen, I have one in one class I take that continues to go on how "articulate" Obama is when speaking. It is interesting to watch in a mouse in a labrinth kinda way. The excuses they come up with for discounting him as the 44th.

grinder said...

What's wrong with calling Obama "articulate?" It's true, and it's a compliment. He's also steady, intelligent, and has an attractive family. If we have to think twice before saying those things, then something's wrong with this picture.

Anonymous said...

grinder still doesn't get it, looking in from the outside, wondering why

grinder said...

Okay, anon 11:53, then why don't you explain to me what's wrong with calling Obama articulate? See, I equate being articulate with intelligence, and that's a quality that's right at the top of the list when I evaluate presidents and presidential candidates.

I voted for Obama because I believed that he was smarter than his opponent, steadier than his opponent, and because his politics more closely match mine than his opponent's did.

But I was wrong, yet I don't know why. So, do the long division for me. Please assume, for purposes of your answer, that I am even dumber and more clueless than you've made clear you think I am. Thank you.

grinder said...

All I hear so far is crickets chirping. What's the matter, anon 11:53? Cat got your tongue?

yellowdog granny said...

every one talks about how martin luther king would be joyous over obamam's presidency...but the one person that i wish was here to see it is......malcom...oh yeah, if only....

Anonymous said...

grinder-sorry, I went to work,I have a life. Throughout history in america blacks have been described as articulate, because when we were brought to america we didn't speak English. Upon learning English, we used broken or slang language, we could not pronounce the king's English the way the slave masters did. We were assumed to be dumb, after years of perfecting english and losing our accents, racist people would always comments how "articulate" we were. They were surprised when a negro spoke without an accent( their thinking we were ignorant and slow) and how amazing that we could master English. throughout slavery and Jim Crow, "articulate" was used as veiled racism to express the fact that whites were amazed that a negro spoke without slang. Is this explanation good enough, know how I learned by reading African-American history, books,etc not just commenting and dismissing black people's sentiments. You are the type of arrogant person that will never get it. I know you, the white person that wonders why he can't say nigga. white people that grow up around blacks never want to say that word, white people that claim they know blacks spew comments like yours.

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grinder said...

Anon, I was born in 1957, not 1857. I am long accustomed to the presence of articulate black people, both in public and private life. Obama's being articulate does not surprise me, but it does impress me.

His ideas aside, when it comes to the public speakers of my lifetime, I put him in the same rank as Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, Barbara Jordan, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton. Call me what you will, but I regard great orators as magicians of a sort, and Obama strikes me as one of them.

Of those I've cited, only Reagan had anything less than what I'd call superior intelligence. After all, he learned his oratory in acting school. The others came by it naturally.

That's a compliment, not a put-down. As for that chip on your shoulder, has anyone ever told you that if it were a potato, you'd be called Frito-Lay? I suggest that you let it fall to the ground, and learn to take "Yes" for an answer. Life's a real bitch if you can't do that.

As for the word "nigger," in any of its variations, I have no desire to say it and never have. Your accusation to the contrary is a foolish and outrageous lie.

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grinder said...

p.s.: I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the apology from you that I deserve. Somehow, I suspect that those three rarest words in the English language, "I was wrong," haven't sincerely passed from your lips to anyone else's ears in quite a long time, if ever, and particular to ears that have the misfortune to find themselves attached to a white man's skull.

Anonymous said...

grinder-
You need reading comprehension. I explained why blacks consider "articulate" a form of veiled racism. I gave you the history because you asked the question. You're so busy being defensive you never listen. You'll never understand life from a black perspective, your comments ALWAYS reflect this.

like I said, you're the type of white person that swears you know black people and wonders why you can't say the word nigga or why is articulate negative?. White people with TRUE empathy for the black experience never want to say the word because they understand life from a black perspective or they understand black history and KNOW why blacks view "articulate" with suspicion.

grinder said...

Nice try, Anon. You made some specific allegations. It's not "defensive" to answer them. Like I say, I wasn't holding my breath. Thanks for confirming my initial suspicion. It's always nice to know when I'm right.

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Who are the Negro People?

As the new U.S President B. Obama touts about being the embodiment of the late DR. Martin Luther King dream for America, I can‘t help but wonder, who are the people DR. King is talking about when he speaks of the Negro People? Who are the Negro people?

Has anyone taken the time to read and comprehend Dr. Martin Luther Kings I HAVE A DREAM speech, if they did they will notice there is no mention of African people, African struggle, African Americans.

I Have a Dream states “One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.”

He only mentions the condition of the Negro people in their homeland of America and their relationship with the new nation of the United States. At some point in time a person reading this speech should want to clarify, “Who are the Negro People- the blacks as they are identified?” To answer these questions one needs to identify some facts.

What does the term Negro signify? The term Negro people signify the Indigenous American people or Amerindians the colonial term used to represent them is Negro The Negro American race or black Americans represent the continuation of the remaining natural linage and bloodlines of the indigenous American People belonging the land of America before European invasion born from American Indian women. The founding father of the U.S established a new form of society on American soil. In this new society American Indian women and her descendants are used to SERVE as human commodity (slaves) people living in freedom(without their natural rights to self determination) but not being free (collective self determination) in the United States. Negro people represent the descendants from American Indian women or enslaved American Indians of America.

He continues and speaks about the full citizenship promised by the U.S to all Negro people in their homeland, and reveals the fact the U.S has not kept its promise; he states the Negro People have received a “Bad Check”.

“It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds”

What is the deal the United States made with the Negro leadership for the Negro people 1868. The U.S. promised “Citizenship” to the Negro people? If a person would do their research, they would find that the 1868 treaty with Abe Lincoln established the Union of the American Indian people as Negros with the United States and the continent of land belonging to the American Indian people was put in a land trust to be governed by the United States in exchange for American Indian people born from American Indian women were to receive full citizenship meaning the same rights as the people who enslaved them and self determination to develop themselves under this new nation umbrella.

Understanding past U.S history explains why Dr. King ‘s dream of seeing an integrated society’s Negro and Euro-American people working as equals in this nation? The big secret is - The Negro People are the people who are allowing the Nation to exist, without their land there is no Nation, with out there peace there is “no prosperity of this Nation” He also threatened the Negro race of people will not rest until they have justice. In other words “NO Justice, NO Peace” All black American people can attest we are not treated equal nor are we treated equally or regarded as citizens,. In 2009 our people still languish on the out skirts of Euro-American society and the Marjory are captured and living in Prisons, our children live in extreme poverty, we lack collective employment as a nation we are on the brink of extinction. The difference today is Negro people as black American for generations have been forced and influence to assimilate into European attitudes and culture they have lost their connection to their ancestral American Indian culture and connection to their Natural homeland. As a result they lack respect, dignity, hope or direction.

Now that some facts have been revealed, the question to ponder is how did the new elected African president become the ideal of DR. Martin Luther King and the Negro People? Or better yet Why is President Barack Obama a European and African decent immigrant being used to personify the dream of Martin Luther King for the Negro people in the Negro Homeland instead of a Negro president for the country that has yet to give them a GOOD check, Wouldn’t a Negro president show the world, the dream of Martin Luther King has for his people finally came to pass? The answer is President B. Obama does not represent Dr. King’s dream he had for the Negro People. President, B Obama represents a distortion of the Dream, and the Negro people are being Con out of their pants again by the Euro- American (U.S) society and (U.S) media at large.

So exactly what is the semantics around Barack Obama? A European and African decent immigrant who is now a Negro Person, or are Negro people becoming Africa immigrants to their homeland thru identifying themselves with Barack Obama. Is there a national identity switch going on? Are the Negro people being duped out of the dept the United States owes them, the one DR. Martin Luther King spoke about? Are today’s Negro people being setup to be permmentily homeless people, with no place to be fruitful and multiply on the planet? If Negro or black American people become immigrants don’t they lose all there human and inalienable rights to live in the U.S, and lose their civil privileges by becoming immigrants to there homeland through identifying President Barack Obama as one of them? Yet he is a Kenyan African not an American Negro? Will this enable the U.S to destroy the dream of Martin Luther King and remove any claim the Negro people have in the Negro Homeland?

LET’S SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT
As a result, Negro people are being bamboozled again with a new perception that racism has stop in America against them, when in fact the systematic extermination of Negro people are filling up the jails and the graves, the only difference now is that they have a man named Barack Obama to cover over the crimes being committed against them and keep the people invisible and confused. It is a fact most black/Negro people lack education in their heritage, history, and most Negro women have been educated to have little respect for understanding their collective purpose as creators of the race and the sacred Grace we hold- it is woman that nature in trusts to continue their humanity as a valuable part of nature to the planet If they did they would not say they are black and they would understand B Obama is not the first Negro president and recognize and respect Michelle Obama is the first Negro woman in the White house and stand proud because her presence in the White House is a huge strike against the stigma from colonialism of Negro women as inferior woman, while our people understand that the struggle of equality represented by a Negro Man as president has yet to come part of Dr. Kings dream has started but yet to be completely fulfilled. It is up to us not to lose site of who we are and represent, our struggle is not over. It is time to recognize your indigenous identity.
Don’t be fooled by the Hype

Dr. RaDine Amen-ra Harrison-Pitts

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