Aaron Schock is a young republican congressman from the O man's home state, and his O ness recently wined and dined the young politician hoping to charm him into a spirit of bipartisanship. It didn't work. He even flew the little ingrate on Air Force One. But that didn't work either. What did you expect? The little weasel is, after all, a republican. Honestly, is it just me, or does it seems like everyone and their mama knows that it's wrong to try to play ball with he rethugs except his O ness? (What the hell were you thinking when you picked Judd Gregg for Commerce?)
Look, I know it worked in the elections. A-merry-cans vote from the middle, and they wanted their president to be someone who was willing to reach out to the other side. So in order to get that independent vote, the O man was Mr. Congeniality. The smooth talking negotiator who would change the tone in Washington. Most A-merry-cans saw him that way, and that's how they voted. But it's time to put the bully back into the bully pulpit. Stop playing the soft Negro role, and get Kingston 12 or "medieval" on their ass.
This is A-merry-ca damn it, and the last time I checked we have a two party system of governing here. Two different political schools of thought of how things should get done. People get on Nancy Pelosi, but at least she understands that you can't reach out to the wingnuts on the right. The O man might be as great persuader, but he ain't that good. If he was, he would have gotten at least one republican to vote for his stimulus package. He failed to understand that republicans, especially the ones in Washington, were all elected from very red states, and they ain't voting with the "One" no matter how many plane rides he gives them. The rethugs in Washington aren't there because of independent voters, and moderates, they are there because they were voted in by people from very red states and districts. They want to go back to Washington, so what do you think they are going to do?
If Obama was off to a rocky start it's because he tried to be too bipartisan. He tried to compromises with folks who don't understand the meaning of the word. He failed to see just how partisan they really are. Their blinders are thick, and their hearts are hardened. At this point the wingnuts on talk radio, reich wing blogs, and on FAKE NEWS, are their only constituents, and all the plane rides in the world won't change that.
“I like the President. He’s a very good guy . . . I want him to be successful. I want to vote for a stimulus bill. I appreciated his hospitality in bringing me along on the trip. . . . But at the end of the day my responsibility is to the people who gave me this job – my constituents,”
You hear that Obama? It's politics as usual. These people don't believe in compromises. Not with a "Socialist". Not with a man with a name like Barack Hussein Obama. Their peeps would never send them back to Washington.
So take it from the field, just put your head down,block out all the noise, and do your thing. Don't apologize for your victories, and don't hold your had down when you are defeated. You are the president damn it, start acting like it.
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Am I first?! Thanks for this. Because he's totally getting on my nerves right now. And I don't want to hear "oh it's only been three weeks". SO WHAT? Is this how it's gonna be the next 4-8? My poor little heart can't take it. I have a pit of apprehension wondering when he's going to abandon Black people so he can appease the white factions that will NEVER be satisfied. Of course he didn't really promise the Black masses anything despite the support he got from us, despite any protestations to the contrary. Also if he did something to piss off Black women, like have an affair w/a white woman would he still have the high approval ratings? Would the kool aid drinkers still take a gulp? I used to think it was a bit exaggerated about the worshipful behavior of Black folks but now I see it. Like how could Billy Jeff be called an honorary Negro for YEARS after he sold poorer Blacks (the masses) out with 3-strikes, the welfare-to-work and a bunch of other legislation that made life a little bit harder. Of course perhaps some people should have tried harder or done better, but this was supposedly when times wee good. If Black people aren't careful the majority will end up like the Katrina survivors stuck on rooftops begging to be rescued when they could've prepared for the pending storm instead. The financial precariousness going on is much worse that we're being told. Our unemployment is nearly 13% per to Bureau of Labor Stats which of course means it has to be double that for all the people who don't qualify anymore. if Obama doesn't have something in place that fixes that after the numbers go down for whites then he's not doing his job! I don't want to piggyback off the Bush failures and dismiss his intentions right off the bat BUT there's not need to be waiting 1-2 years to analyze and come to a conclusion of where things may head under his administration either. He's surrounded himself with people who are either enemies, work contrary to his policies or have divided loyalties. At least Bush had ride or die cronyism -for all the wrong things of course. But look how Cheney's still out there claiming they are being misunderstood and why Colin Powell was silent and has been labeled a turncoat now. Does anybody REALLY see any of the people Obama's got up under him being that loyal? If not we are trouble. We have work to do and an agenda to fight for because I think the Democrats are working hard to undermine him so they can join their rethug friends in protecting the top 1% and lining their pockets.
It's excellent strategy...make it look like you are trying to compromise and make the opposition look like the petty, mean-spirited bastids they are. Then get your legislation passed without them. Win/win. I don't see a problem here at all.
Quote the Republican:
"But at the end of the day my responsibility is to the people who gave me this job – "
The top 1 percent of the economic pyramid is where you take your marching orders from...and everyone is 100 percent clear on that. You lose!
I agree with Ernesto. It is a good strategy. The president his campaign on reaching across the aisle, and could not into soon and keep to his word. His political capital is with the people, and it doesn't good by not reaching to the Republicans. The more he does it, the more politcal capital he gains until it will become acceptable when he puts his foot down on necks of republicans.
The fact is that a man who wants to act virtuously in every way necessarily comes to grief among so many who are not virtuous.
Niccolo Machiavelli
I assume that the only way I could top a quote from Machiavelli would be to quote you. So, "This is A-merry-ca damn it, and the last time I checked we have a two party system of governing here. Two different political schools of thought of how things should get done."
That's what I'm saying.
Every time I attempt to second guess Obama, I come up short.
We have Monday-morning quarterbacked him almost from jump street, and he has always managed to survive and succeed.
He's outfoxed the foxiest of foes.
Repugnicants are like Klingons. They're a warrior breed who don't believe in fair-play, honor, or taking prisoners.
They see enemies everywhere, and they don't mind destroying them in a mindless, singled-minded sort of way.
I know that some of you who visit here call yourself Republicans.
Let me reassure you: not all Republicans are Repugnicants, as Republicans take on an easily discernible appearance, one that differs appreciably from that of their angry, arrogant, self-righteous, liberal-hating half-brothers.
I find that Democrats can be more independent than Republicans--too many Republicans are afraid to step out of step with their brethren for fear of being stepped on.
That three Republican moderates were able to break rank with their fiercer, more monolithic evil twins, and vote for the Economic Recovery bill, speak volumes about how they're viewed by their Republican kin, and how spitefully the main group must now view them.
If Repugnicants hate liberals, you can imagine just how much they love these three turncoats that voted for the Recovery Bill in the Senate, and stopped cold a potential filibuster.
I have discussed, on my blog, the strategy behind the Repugnicants' seemingly self-inflicted death blow by adopting a course of intransigence and uncompromising diehardism.
It's their funeral, but they're hoping to bury the opposition.
Co-sign Ernesto & hennasplace. Obama ain't playing the soft role. I thought from the very beginning that he might try to play it out just like that, for him to eventually come out and say, "Hey, I tried."
I think Obama scored big points with the bipartisan thing. And any Republican who thinks they won anything by paring back the stimulus will find out different. Obama now has an excuse to come back for more in six months. Just wait. It'll happen.
I feel so bad, because Obama, as you can see is trying hard and holding on tight to the idea of bipartisanship. However he seems to be the only one holding on to that blanket. I hope the American people are watching what the Republicans are doing.
I think they think they're freedom fighters or something. The only thing they're fighting for are old dead ideas. They're bound to fail.
The more Obama acts with integrity, good faith, openness and class, which includes the (perhaps futile) bipartisan outreach, the more he illuminates the selfish, mean spirited, boorish and underhanded style of the Bush administration. It's like, um, black and white.
There was a unanimous vote that the stimulus package would be available on-line for 48 hours after the bill was filed before a vote, but it wasn't. If I did not have a measure of confidence in Obama, I wouldn't vote for such a giant stimulous package either, simply because it was so rushed. I think he should have released a 1000 page package at least a week before the vote.
my point being that the fact that no republicans voted for the package isn't a symbol of partisanship, just good sense. The white house can't run on CPT you know...
I am hoping Ernesto is right.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Whoa.
Whoa.
I read something I can't let stand.
"Repugnicants are like Klingons. They're a warrior breed who don't believe in fair-play, honor, or taking prisoners."
....
BULLSHIT!
Klingons value honor above all else. Every Trekkie knows this.
*ahem*
Anyway, I think Obama pretty much stated his mistake outright last week. He proposed 40% tax cuts in the Stimulus. It wound up being about 30%. He should have proposed 5 or 10% tax cuts, then let the pricks take the credit for it increasing to 30%. They save face, get to feel fuzzy, Obama gets a few dozen GOP votes. Wham, bam, sign the fucking bill.
Also, I don't care what all my white liberal friends think....
Nancy Pelosi is a snake.
Field,
I think you got it wrong on this one. I think Frank Rich's column is the best response to this:
They Sure Showed That Obama
By FRANK RICH
Published: February 14, 2009
AM I crazy, or wasn’t the Obama presidency pronounced dead just days ago? Obama had “all but lost control of the agenda in Washington,” declared Newsweek on Feb. 4 as it wondered whether he might even get a stimulus package through Congress. “Obama Losing Stimulus Message War” was the headline at Politico a day later. At the mostly liberal MSNBC, the morning host, Joe Scarborough, started preparing the final rites. Obama couldn’t possibly eke out a victory because the stimulus package was “a steaming pile of garbage.”
Less than a month into Obama’s term, we don’t (and can’t) know how he’ll fare as president. The compromised stimulus package, while hardly garbage, may well be inadequate. Timothy Geithner’s uninspiring and opaque stab at a bank rescue is at best a place holder and at worst a rearrangement of the deck chairs on the TARP-Titanic, where he served as Hank Paulson’s first mate.
But we do know this much. Just as in the presidential campaign, Obama has once again outwitted the punditocracy and the opposition. The same crowd that said he was a wimpy hope-monger who could never beat Hillary or get white votes was played for fools again.
On Wednesday, as a stimulus deal became a certainty on Capitol Hill, I asked David Axelrod for his take on this Groundhog Day relationship between Obama and the political culture.
“It’s why our campaign was not based in Washington but in Chicago,” he said. “We were somewhat insulated from the echo chamber. In the summer of ’07, the conventional wisdom was that Obama was a shooting star; his campaign was irretrievably lost; it was a ludicrous strategy to focus on Iowa; and we were falling further and further behind in the national polls.” But even after the Iowa victory, this same syndrome kept repeating itself. When Obama came out against the gas-tax holiday supported by both McCain and Clinton last spring, Axelrod recalled, “everyone in D.C. thought we were committing suicide.”
The stimulus battle was more of the same. “This town talks to itself and whips itself into a frenzy with its own theories that are completely at odds with what the rest of America is thinking,” he says. Once the frenzy got going, it didn’t matter that most polls showed support for Obama and his economic package: “If you watched cable TV, you’d see our support was plummeting, we were in trouble. It was almost like living in a parallel universe.”
For Axelrod, the moral is “not just that Washington is too insular but that the American people are a lot smarter than people in Washington think.”
Here’s a third moral: Overdosing on this culture can be fatal. Because Republicans are isolated in that parallel universe and believe all the noise in its echo chamber, they are now as out of touch with reality as the “inevitable” Clinton campaign was before it got clobbered in Iowa. The G.O.P. doesn’t recognize that it emerged from the stimulus battle even worse off than when it started. That obliviousness gives the president the opening to win more ambitious policy victories than last week’s. Having checked the box on attempted bipartisanship, Obama can now move in for the kill.
A useful template for the current political dynamic can be found in one of the McCain campaign’s more memorable pratfalls. Last fall, it was the Beltway mantra that Obama was doomed with all those working-class Rust Belt Democrats who’d flocked to Hillary in the primaries. The beefy, beer-drinking, deer-hunting white guys — incessantly interviewed in bars and diners — would never buy the skinny black intellectual. Nor would the “dead-ender” Hillary women. The McCain camp not only bought into this received wisdom, but bet the bank on it, pouring resources into states like Michigan and Wisconsin before abandoning them and doubling down on Pennsylvania in the stretch. The sucker-punched McCain lost all three states by percentages in the double digits.
The stimulus opponents, egged on by all the media murmurings about Obama “losing control,” also thought they had a sure thing. Their TV advantage added to their complacency. As the liberal blog ThinkProgress reported, G.O.P. members of Congress wildly outnumbered Democrats as guests on all cable news networks, not just Fox News, in the three days of intense debate about the House stimulus bill. They started pounding in their slogans relentlessly. The bill was not a stimulus package but an orgy of pork spending. The ensuing deficit would amount to “generational theft.” F.D.R.’s New Deal had been an abject failure.
This barrage did shave a few points off the stimulus’s popularity in polls, but its approval rating still remained above 50 percent in all (Gallup, CNN, Pew, CBS) but one of them (Rasmussen, the sole poll the G.O.P. cites). Perhaps the stimulus held its own because the public, in defiance of Washington’s condescending assumption, was smart enough to figure out that the government can’t create jobs without spending and that Bush-era Republicans have no moral authority to lecture about deficits. Some Americans may even have ancestors saved from penury by the New Deal.
In any event, the final score was unambiguous. The stimulus package arrived with the price tag and on roughly the schedule Obama had set for it. The president’s job approval percentage now ranges from the mid 60s (Gallup, Pew) to mid 70s (CNN) — not bad for a guy who won the presidency with 52.9 percent of the vote. While 48 percent of Americans told CBS, Gallup and Pew that they approve of Congressional Democrats, only 31 (Gallup), 32 (CBS) and 34 (Pew) percent could say the same of their G.O.P. counterparts.
At least some media hands are chagrined. After the stimulus prevailed, Scarborough speculated on MSNBC that “perhaps we’ve overanalyzed it, we don’t know what we’re talking about.” But the Republicans are busy high-fiving themselves and celebrating “victory.” Even in defeat, they are still echoing the 24/7 cable mantra about the stimulus’s unpopularity. This self-congratulatory mood is summed up by a Wall Street Journal columnist who wrote that “the House Republicans’ zero votes for the Obama presidency’s stimulus ‘package’ is looking like the luckiest thing to happen to the G.O.P.’s political fortunes since Ronald Reagan switched parties.” There hasn’t been this much delusional giddiness in these ranks since Monica Lewinsky promised a surefire Republican sweep in the 1998 midterms.
Not all Republicans are so clueless, whether in Congress or beyond. Charlie Crist, the moderate Florida governor who appeared with the president in his Fort Myers, Fla., town-hall meeting last week, has Obama-like approval ratings in the 70s. Naturally, the party’s hard-liners in Washington loathe him. Their idea of a good public face for the G.O.P. is a sound-bite dispenser like the new chairman, Michael Steele, a former Maryland lieutenant governor. Steele’s argument against the stimulus package is that “in the history of mankind” no “federal, state or local” government has ever “created one job.” As it happens, among the millions of jobs created by the government are the federal investigators now pursuing Steele for alleged financial improprieties in his failed 2006 Senate campaign.
This G.O.P., a largely white Southern male party with talking points instead of ideas and talking heads instead of leaders, is not unlike those “zombie banks” that we’re being asked to bail out. It is in too much denial to acknowledge its own insolvency and toxic assets. Given the mess the country is in, it would be helpful to have an adult opposition that could pull its weight, but that’s not the hand America has been dealt.
As Judd Gregg flakes out and Lindsey Graham throws made-for-YouTube hissy fits on the Senate floor, Obama should stay focused on the big picture in governing as he did in campaigning. That’s the steady course he upheld when much of the political establishment was either second-guessing or ridiculing it, and there’s no reason to change it now. The stimulus victory showed that even as president Obama can ambush Washington’s conventional wisdom as if he were still an insurgent.
But, as he said in Fort Myers last week, he will ultimately be judged by his results. If the economy isn’t turned around, he told the crowd, then “you’ll have a new president.” The stimulus bill is only a first step on that arduous path. The biggest mistake he can make now is to be too timid. This country wants a New Deal, including on energy and health care, not a New Deal lite. Far from depleting Obama’s clout, the stimulus battle instead reaffirmed that he has the political capital to pursue the agenda of change he campaigned on.
Republicans will also be judged by the voters. If they want to obstruct and filibuster while the economy is in free fall, the president should call their bluff and let them go at it. In the first four years after F.D.R. took over from Hoover, the already decimated ranks of Republicans in Congress fell from 36 to 16 in the Senate and from 117 to 88 in the House. The G.O.P. is so insistent that the New Deal was a mirage it may well have convinced itself that its own sorry record back then didn’t happen either.
Great article Jody, I read it earlier. But I disagree with the overall premise; that it was a victory getting this particular piece of legislation passed. See,I actually wanted MORE money in the SP, and I think that compromising with the rethugs to pare it down was a mistake. That is the basis of my entire post. I know that "O" can be very good at political gamesmanship (hell it's how he got elected), but at the end of the day, we have to ask outselves: will this bill work?
Quite a few people (on both sides of the aisle) are betting their political futures on what result or the other. Guess what the rethugs are hoping for A-merry-ca?
I loved BD's "Klingon" reference and Swiff's comeback. Woa!
And what if ActsOfFaith is right? Wouldn't we all be in trouble?
A-merry-cans vote from the middle, and they wanted their president to be someone who was willing to reach out to the other side.
Of course they don't. Obama won this election due to progressive issues he ran on and now has turned his back on.
Here in SW TN, we call that a liar.
Field, surely you don't actually believe that Obama is anything other than a toadie for Big Money?
I have been giving you more credit than that.
The MSM is working its job on you...
I thought three Senators voted for that crap. There's a few legislators from blue states but not many. If he continues to pursue an agenda the voters don't support it's all over in 2010 and he's gone in 2012.
szpork
"are betting their political futures on what result or the other".
Did I write "what" and not one? Geez, it's early folks, I am just now having my oatmeal. :(
"Field, surely you don't actually believe that Obama is anything other than a toadie for Big Money?"
BM, I really don't think he is. But I am keeping an open mind. I am not an Obamaholic, so if he is, I will not be blinded by the O-Aid. I will call him on it.
You're an ass and a crybaby AND weak. That's why you're not president. Your short-sightedness and reactionary thinking is what will keep you HERE vs. elevating you THERE. Sorry. This entry is a stinker.
Field Negro? You sound more and more like Bootlick Negro, i.e., out in FRONT to let everyone know that you DON'T support the Black man.
We get it. Talk about sports or something where you have a bit more credibility. Adults are talking and working.
Brother,
What will it take to convince you? What else can he waffle on that will show you his true self? Where else can he change his rhetoric or bald-face lie that would prove that he is just another one in the image of the previous ones. He is just a shade darker, but beholden to the same corporate interests.
That's all he is interested in. The real color is green.
Its time we get pissed and stop giving him benefits of doubt simply because of his color. For I can not think of another reason any sane, thinking person paying attention could have for supporting him.
The man does not care about the real people of America, any more than W or any of the previous 6 or 7 predecessors. He rode real people (progressives) to victory and now look... It is a shame that the real people are so blinded that they can't see the truth that he is screwing over the ones that brought him to the dance.
I cannot believe any shift-changing, politically expediting, Big Money catering Pol. Of any color.
I want a person of integrity and a person who can stand on his issues without caving and lying with abandon. One that doesn't have to use fluffy wording fraught with ways to disavow his promises. He always gives himself an out.
My point. Just because he can claim to be black doesn't mean he is actually caring about black people (or me) or anyone except rich folk.
That is simply the way it is and the sooner we acknowledge this fact, the sooner we can fix it.
Great interview of Alexandria Pelosi in Salon, whose new film examines the Rethugly right through the lens of people attending the campaign rallies for McCain/Sno' Ho'...
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/int/2009/02/16/alexandra_pelosi/
Part of that:
Question - At one point, you're talking to someone who describes Obama as the antichrist, and you say to him, "Do you want to maybe rethink that? Because I'm going to be accused, when this is on TV, of just looking for the craziest guy in the room." And he ponders it and says, "No." He's OK with saying it. How often did you have that kind of conversation with somebody?
Every day. It was much more common than you'd think. In the heat of an election, people say some crazy things. And in the case of the gentleman you're talking about, I have talked to him since then and this is just the way he sees it. I heard that every single day. It was much more common than you'd think. And I think that a lot of them were mimicking things they heard on right-wing radio.
Pelosi believes that "Blogs have poisoned the politcal atmosphere."
Which is amusing at several levels. First, the growth in Liberal blogs was in direct response to the MSM's coronation of the Dimwit in 2000, and the domination of the airwaves by the conglomerate media. The "poisoning" was done far before Blogs became a fixture of the political scene.
INsofar as the O-man's strategy - I applaud his attempting to reach out. The Rethugs have seriously overreached - and Americans have a long memory when you screw with their pocketbooks.
I give him about three more months max of trying to pull the republicans in, and then it's curtains for that whole idea.
The weird thing is, His O Ness is really a moderate, and wants to do what's right issue by issue and the idiots to the right don't care to follow suit.
His O Ness is really a moderate
LOL
Sheople...
I'm 100% with BuelahMan. He was betraying the very people that were supporting him thru the campaign just look at his senate votes over the last yr even or at his biggest contributors. Or just simply read his stances/policies. They don't stand out as progressive, hopeful nor do they reflect change. It's hype. And this idea of giving him the benefit of the doubt or wait and see attidtude is akin to fiddling while America burns down.
We also have to remember it has only been almost three weeks since Mr. Obama has been president and will take time to clean up this mess. I agree with Field that more money should have in the stimulus package along with spending that has long-term investment such as education and science and tech research, but Rome was not built in a day. We cannot afford to instant gratification in this respect as it is the very that got us into this situation in the first place. I believe that we probably will not see signs of recovery for another three years, and this is a very deep recession if not a depression. Some more banks will fail and probably should, and credit will have to unfreeze. We are getting a valuable lesson in ecomonics along learning there should be balance with long-term investing, saving, and spending.
He's really starting to look foolish with his outreach to the wing nuts and bigots of the GOP, they all have secure seats and will never 'work" with him on any issue for the next four years, so, he needs to get a spine and do his thing or he is a one term president. And, so far I have not been impressed with anything he has done, with or without the Repugnants.
McCain had a long winded thing this past weekend about how sad he was that Obama has made no attempt at bipartisanship? Give me a break, the only bipartisanship the GOP knows is their way or no way.
Not sure why progressives would be made about Obama. He is a moderate. The far right is the one calling him a socialist.
Anyway, I think having "bi partisan" strategy was smart in the beginning. He campaigned on change, hope, etc. Now we can say he tried before he dismisses the GOPer who refuse to even meet him halfway.
I really don't know what is going on with the leadership of the GOP. This is not the time for political games. Folks are hurting. Like Field said in an earlier post why should we take their advice on how to fix this economy when they are the main ones who led us off the darn cliff?
McTush made...Well...
An ass of himself.
From The Hill Pundits Blog - Brent Budowsky:
February 13, 2009
Republican Death March: Betting Recession Continues and America Fails (Brent Budowsky)
@ 4:48 pm
The passage of the jobs bill represents a great victory for President Obama, a huge triumph for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and a tremendous moment for the smart Republican senators, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine. It is a crushing blow for the do-nothing, obstructionist, recession Republicans who are betting against America.
A popular president with support in the nation that has risen again to the high 60s to mid 70s in popularity asked for a jobs bill by Presidents Day, and gets it. The recession Republicans, tarred by landslide losses in 2006 and 2008 because of their diehard support for George W. Bush, sink further into the political hole. When America recovers, Obama wins; Harry Reid wins; the Speaker wins; Sens. Snowe, Specter and Collins win; and the recession Republicans lose. They are betting the ranch that America fails, because they know if the program succeeds, if America succeeds, they are left out on the limb of that old black magic of recession Republic economics.
These guys have gone so far right, they can't see Main Street with a microscope. They are so politically maladroit, the best they can serve up for a nation that is hungry for solutions is a stone-cold dish of Bush doggie bags.
They tried to cut the jobs bill in half. They tried to take spending for jobs out of a program to create jobs. They opposed fuel-efficient cars for the federal fleet, weatherizing buildings in the cold winter and building schools for the kids while they supported that old black magic of tax cuts for the wealthy and repeated, ad nauseam, the sad platitudes of Herbert Hoover and the defeated policies of John McCain in 2008.
The three Republican senators standing almost alone in the region of the nation where most Republicans are no longer welcome are called traitors and Benedict Arnolds.
The recession party gloats when Republican Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire declines to serve in the Cabinet, though he will not run again and will very probably be succeeded by yet another Democrat in yet another state where the recession Republicans are no longer welcome in Senate seats or the governor's mansion.
The death march of the recession Republicans continues. It is their curse, their failure of economics, the curse that led them to minority status for a generation after Hoover, the curse that led to their latest disaster in 2008, after their disaster in 2006.
The recession Republicans are hoping the president fails, and betting the ranch that America fails, which is a very bad bet indeed.
Field, "And what if ActsOfFaith is right? Wouldn't we all be in trouble?"
Well....what if a big azz meteor hits Earth tomorrow and we all perish? What if aliens attack? Those "what ifs" are just as worthy of speculation as the ones ActsofFaith put out there.
BuelahMan and nicki nicki tembo seem to be having buyers remorse IF they voted for Obama.
There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. - Machiavelli
Niccolo Machiavelli was right. So many Monday morning quarterbacks, so many back seat drivers, so many left and right wingnuts.
Just because left and right wing idealogues are completely tone deaf when comes to Obama's message well...would you like some cheese with that whine. Better yet how about a dose of reality with that whine.
I voted for Obama and no I am not happy with everything he has done but do you have anything better to offer? I mean what is your strategy? How would you proceed? Waiting... *tapping foot, looking around the room, looks at watch* Still waiting.
Sorry he hasn't eliminated poverty, brought about world peace, eliminated the national debt, decimated the Republican party, ended the recession, solved the mortgage and banking crisis, personally found everyone a job and housing, cured the mentally ill and ALL the lepers in three weeks. I mean damn he needs to get off his trifling ass and do something about this mess.
Honey if the two of you want miracles you better call on Jesus.
And as for you Field, hell who needs the MSM spreading the meme of the weak Obama when they've got you.
I don't think Obama failed to understand ANYTHING about the Republicans. He'll just continue to play the statesman, hold out the hand of conciliation, knowing they won't take it, continue to pass his legislation without their votes and calmly allow the Repubs to bully and marginalize themselves into oblivion.
Why use a WMD when all you need is a few well placed dirty bombs?
I am mystified by those above who are disappointed because Obama is not "progressive" enough. When did progressives EVER think this guy was was far left? Not me... and I count myself in action and thought as a progressive.
But, I am not naive to think that unless this guy does everything that I think he should then he is somehow failing me.
I ask you to just remember what we had for the past 8 years and tell me, honestly, do you really think Obama is going to be more of the same? Seriously??? You say he has done nothing... I beg to differ.
1. First sit down interview on Arab television... signaling a MAJOR shift in direction towards the muslim world
2. Announces that we are closing Guantanamo.... working right now to figure out how to do that. I know that is happening because I know several lawyers here in Philly that have clients there.
3. Appointing Hilda Solis as Labor Secretary. Check her out... she is as progressive as a politician gets!
4. Susan Rice and Samantha Powers being appointed to UN and National Security Advisor..
Has he appointed others with which I disagree? Yes. Did I expect that to happen? Absolutely.
The one fundamental thing that I one-hundred percent agree with Obama about is that real change comes from the people, not the politicians. I just see him as someone that will serve the people better than Bush. Period.
It's been less than a month of the Obama presidency so get a grip people. The man's a thinker and he knows what he's dealing with. It's wise to let the scum (Rethuggery)rise to the top now rather than later because it's easier to deal with. He knows them better than they think he does, that's how he excelled in their world.
The great fairure of the G.oddawned O.bstructionist P.arty is that they can NEVER, EVER acknowledge the fact that any person of color, particularly a Black man, can be more intelligent than they are. They underestimate us to their detriment.
He's LET his had be slapped by the Rethugs to show America exactly the kind of morons he's dealing while at the same time doing something the Rethugs never do; talking directly to the people.
And they are listening.
He's well away that most of America doesn't listen to the Beltway talking heads and pundits and that those same pundits (most of which WRONGLY cheered Rethugs and GW) keep Repunk talking points in the D.C. loop.
That "loop" keeps the Rethug's delusion of power alive in the bubble they all operate in.
The public ain't buying it now.
The strategy is working and now he has the people's blessing to seriously kick Rethug ass.
Bottom line, give the man at least a year before you start your whining about the Obama presidency.
BuelahMan and nicki nicki tembo seem to be having buyers remorse IF they voted for Obama.
I did not. I saw it early on... the lies, the deceit, the half-earnest way he covered his ass with fluffy talk. I was never fooled by him, nor W, nor Bubba Gump Clinton, et al.
I didn't JUST start my bitch... I have been screaming at you Sheople long and hard for many years, especially during the Dem Primaries.
The fact is that Obama uses words and innuendo to sway a gullible and hurting people into believing he is "with them", when in fact, all he did was use the Progressive Movement in America to get elected and now is showing his true colors.
The fact is that America is sick of the neocon agenda and would do anything and suck off anyone who could "save" them from the neocons.
The problem is that Obama voted lockstep with them, in every case, except the initial invasion vote into Iraq. Please show me where I am mistaken. Show me his Patriot Act vote, Illegal Immunity, Banker's bailout,etc, etc, etc. (Do I have to go on, for I can exhaust the list)
Other than that ONE vote, please explain how he is even a smidgen different than his predecessor?
(Yeah, crickets chirping)
I voted for Obama and no I am not happy with everything he has done but do you have anything better to offer? I mean what is your strategy? How would you proceed? Waiting... *tapping foot, looking around the room, looks at watch* Still waiting.
Yes, read my blog for a full outlying of what needs to be done to correct this fiasco. I'm not JUST a bitch, friend. I offer solutions (just normally not in the comment section of Field's blog). So tap your foot, but find something good to listen to. The right-wing agenda song is tired and old and those who like it are akin to those who love the Beach Boys... irrelevant and unknowingly ignorant to what is "good music".
You see, the problem isn't with my bitching (for I can base it all with facts and simply showing the man's words). The problem is you (and others like you) are still hoping that He is your Saviour, when you haven't figured out, yet, that he truly is NOT.
He is corrupt and a part of the problem.
I hope you learned something from this. Most sheople do not.
For instance... show me one time the man has said that we need to cut the bloated military spending.
(yes, ma'am, the crickets are chirping so loud that you cannot overcome them, right?)
Umhm
I just see him as someone that will serve the people better than Bush. Period.
Yes, thank God we have THAT measuring stick, instead of the Constitution or the rule of law.
Baaaaa
I'm not stressing over President Obama. What the GOP did was give him more political capital. By asking him for concessions and NOT voting for the stimulus package, he can now play the "Obstruction" card at will with the American people and blame them if things don't go well during his first term.
It also give President Obama the poltical capital to ram certain bills down their throats, too. I like that.
Shrewd move. It could make the GOP a permanent minority if we're still in deep doo-doo in three years.
I think people who expect Obama to become an angry guy are going to be disappointed. He is who he is: a steady and reasonable man. That was a big part of his appeal last year, and it will remain so.
This entails reaching out to opponents. If you wanted someone more slashing and partisan, you should have supported Hillary Clinton.
But now he can say that he tried. He gave them a chance to cooperate and they refused. The Regressive Society for the Criminally Insane [1] has only further marginalized itself. And isn't it interesting that the states that have the highest unemployment and foreclosure rates are (were?) Red states? And isn't it interesting that Republican governors want the stimulus to succeed but Republican congresspeople want it to fail? It will be very interesting to see what happens in the 2010 mid-term elections.
[1] http://regressiveantidote.net/
Hmmm... Getting warm in Field's house today...
In any event, there are numerous other forces afoot which may well whack another millimeter off Rethugly's already wee weenies.
Case in point - the "Alaskans For Truth", formed by a group of housewives vs the Sno' Ho' -
http://divasblueoasis.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=446
The Retugs built their political dominance since Raygun on white anger built on strawmen. Anger at black, women, and other minorities gaining a small foothold in formerly reserved portion of the American Dream. Anger at the temerity of the same minorities to demand equal treatment and consideration...
Anger at the loss of certainty in America's world dominance, under the guiding white male hand.
All of those perceptual strawman "isms" just got smashed flat by a very close to home fact of losing jobs, losing homes, and for the first time in 60 years - the very real possibility that your kids may not be better off than you...
Because you can't afford to send them to school anymore.
Anger?
You betcha. This is anger at the reality of boarded up houses IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD versus the mythical exercise of some undeserving black/brown/yellow person being unfairly promoted over your white ass because of Affirmative Action.
Rethuglys had better tread carefully...
This anger is indeed the stuff of Marie Antoinette's...
Haircut.
"anger at the reality of boarded up houses IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD "
I haven't seen any boarded up houses YET, but I am seeing an awful lot of clearly unoccupied houses and houses with "For Sale," "For Rent," and "For Sale or Rent" signs on them. In one town I drive through every week, 30 years ago For Sale signs weren't even allowed--makes the neighborhood look tacky, dontcha know--and now they are everywhere. No one is going to be unaffected. No one except maybe people with Swiss bank accounts.
New Rule: if you didn't vote FOR the stimulus, then don't expect your district to get stimulus money.
Period.
FN,
I agree with you about The President trying to reach out to those mofos. But, at least he could say he tried.
Kill them with kindness Field. The more these stories of his reaching out and getting his hand bitten, the farther to the right he moves the last surviving Republicans. They can't even respond like children with middling manners. He will have them so far to the right and looking like the cornered rats that they are, that they'll have no choice but to jump off the cliff. Mr. O is way ahead of you on this one. By the end of the '10 elections, they'll be exterminated like the vermin they are. Just station yourself at the bottom of that cliff and watch 'em drop.
New Rule: if you didn't vote FOR the stimulus, then don't expect your district to get stimulus money.
Man, I couldn't possibly disagree more. If I were Obama's people, I'd target some really hard-hit Republican districts where the vote wasn't all the wide apart. I'd pour some money into 'em, and make sure that the locals knew where it was coming from AND that their congresscritter had opposed it.
You know, most people aren't as engaged in politics as people on this board are. Takes a lot for this crap to penetrate. To them, Washington is a big ball of string and Obama is maybe a breath of fresh air.
At least trying to reach out to the other side is frustrating to many of us -- me too, at times -- but I think it's a great sr=trategy. I think the Republicans are falling right smack into Obama's trap, too.
He's been offering the hand of friendship, and they've been smacking it away. He ought to keep doing it, and hope they keep smacking it away. It will take longer than most of us want for all of this to register with the broader public, but people will see it. For that to happen, though, Obama has to keep on trying, which means that a lot of us will have reason to gnash our teeth in frustration.
But I really am quite optimistic on the politics. I'd hate to be a Republican looking at 2010. All of this crap they've been doing has been to fend off primary election challenges from the right. They're playing to their base, and it's just going to kill them with the general public -- but only if Obama sticks to his guns.
Fortunately, I think we elected ourselves a steady, intelligent, principled, and confident man. It's going to work out. You'll see.
I Share your pain, Field, but you know the O-man; he's always thinking two or three steps ahead of the rest of us.
Just look at the way he treated the Quisling Lieberman. Everybody was howling for his blood, but Obama knew if he forgave Joe & stroked his massive ego, he might come in handy someday, and he did in the stimulus debate.
What the hell is wrong with you, Field??! I must agree with my anonymous brother/sister upthread. My man: YOU sound like a SOFT NEGRO.
Man up. Damn.
@Swiff: "Klingons value honor above all else. Every Trekkie knows this."
I didn't mean to step on any
true-blue Trekkie's Tricorder.
And you're right about Klingons having honor. Both Klingons and Repugnicants have "honor," in the same way that there's honor among thieves.
Both Klingons and Repugnicants follow their own code of behavior, their own rules, and they don't give a damn whether the Federation agrees with those rules or not.
Diehardism can be as inimical to Klingons as to Repugnicants--notwithstanding a standing on principles and rules of conduct.
Speaking of Klingons... This rant is for you, Field!
Death by moron
Has anonymous commenting destroyed meaningful online dialogue? Oh, hell yes
By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist
Friday, February 13, 2009
Here is my strange confession: I miss my hate mail.
It's an odd thing to admit, but in a perverse sort of way, I actually miss the wretched river, the rancid flow of puerile, nasty, sickeningly homophobic email I used to receive on a regular basis from the ultra-right and the Christian right and the Mormon right and the Bush-impaired whenever I would post a friendly, pointed column full of tangy liberal attitude. Which is, of course, all of them.
Oh, I miss all the lovely and positive email too, which outpaced the nasty stuff by a huge margin. But the hate mail was (and still is, what dribble I now get) very special indeed, great fodder for live readings, for the reaction of horrified disbelief of anyone who saw it, for the charming reminder of just how ugly and violent and grammatically challenged the human animal can be....
More at -
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/02/13/notes021309.DTL&type=printable
I THINK OBAMA IS A DAMN SMART FELLOW. WHAT I SAW WITH THIS BIPARTISANSHIP/REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE DEAL WAS HIM SIMPLY EXTENDING THE HAND BUT KNOWING -- IN HIS HEART -- THAT THE REPUBLICANS WOULD UNCLINCH THEIRS. SO WHAT'S NEXT? WELL, HE WON'T DO ANY MORE EXTENDING, HE'LL JUST DO WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO, AND SAY TO THEM, "WELL, WHEN I OFFERED, ASKED, DAMN-NEAR BEGGED FOR YOU FOLKS TO UNLOCK YOUR FISTS, YOU INSISTED ON KEEPING THEM CLINCHED, SO THE HELL WITH Y'ALL. ALL OTHER POLICIES, INITIATIVES, AND THE LIKE BELONG TO ME, AND YOU FOLKS WON'T EVEN GET ASKED TO THE PARTY." I THINK OBAMA KNEW THAT THE ACROSS-THE-AISLE GIG WOULDN'T WORK, BUT HE HAD TO DO IT -- IN KEEPING WITH HIS CAMPAIGN RHETORIC -- YES, RHETORIC -- SO NOW THAT HE IS IN THE WH, AND AN OFFER HAS BEEN MADE AND REJECTED, I THINK WE'LL SEE THE 'O-MAN' JUST GO 'HEAD AND DO WHAT THE HELL FOLKS ELECTED HIM TO Do: GOVERN AND RUN THE DAMN COUNTRY. I GUARANTEE YOU HE WON'T BE ASKING THE BLUE DOG CONSERVATIVES TO COME TO HIS LIL' TEA PARTIES AND SUPER BOWL PARTIES ANY MORE. HE DAMN SURE WON'T BE OFFERING THEM ANY DAMN COOKIES. WATCH WHAT I SAY! HE'S GOING TO TOUGHEN UP AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE A WHOLE NEW 'O-MAN' DOING HIS THING. PLUS, GIVE THE MAN A MINUTE. HE'S ONLY BEEN IN THERE 21 DAYS. SOMETIMES WE CAN BE SO HARD ON A BROTHER. (I'm a sister, and I know we can, but just give the president time to get his bearings in order. He'll get there faster than Usain Bolt won those Olmpic races.)
CLARIFICATION ON MY 8:37 POST:
"...THE REPUBLICANS WOULD NOT UNCLINCH THEIR HAND..."
well disappointingly, it seems Obama agrees with Field Negro's assessment. I was watching the news today and they quoted him saying that he would no longer measure his success by bipartisanship and that he was idealistic, but no pushover.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! at the end the day this is all a game to the PRESIDENT! the PRESIDENT has had the opportunity, to study the mindset of the REPUBLICAN'S, he is well aware of their past deed's, first of all the PRESIDENT is BLACK, most REPUBLICAN'S sound as if they are from the SOUTH! as well as look the part, some are even EX CLANSMEN! these people live by a certain standard, they live in their own little WORLD! and they will DIE and go to HELL before they support a BLACK MAN! and they could care less about the condition this country is in, this is about POWER, and the PRESIDENT intention's are to bring the REPUBLICAN PARTY to an OPEN SHAME! and it's working!
AND as for you BUELAHMAN, you are BITTER, EXPLOSIVE, and FULL of RAGE when it come's to the PRESIDENT, and GOD FORBID you ever get the OPPORTUNITY, to come any where near him! JESUS! where were you people during the last EIGHT YEAR'S? and now, all of a sudden, you so called UPRIGHT PEOPLE, want the PRESIDENT to be PERFECT!!! please! go some place and read the WHITE MAN'S HISTORY! the PRESIDENT is in office because he learned how to PLAY the WHITE MAN'S GAME! and he is very good at it! and I PRAY that he out smart's them at every TURN!
Anon. @ 12:14 a.m.? What YOU said. Field and his folks are all "House." Or, as Anon. @ 8:41 a.m. indicated, all "Bootlick."
Obama has pulled me out of my political apathy. For the moment, I actually have, "the audacity of hope." At the same time I have to agree with BuelahMan, that Obama is probably not who we'd like to believe he is. Here's an article to make my point, not that I believe or agree with everything in it but Tarpley is an amazing researcher who I trust for facts if not interpretation, (what's missing is as important as what we know.):
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/1497.html
ATENHOTEP, I read the JOURNAL, and the WORD is SMEAR! and so what! can you please tell me why? the REPUBLICAN PARTY would let this CRUCIAL information slip past them? and can you also tell me why FOX NEW'S would sit on this CRUCIAL information? well the answer is, their is no way a BLACK MAN would ever become the PRESIDENT unless the people had a say so in it, and their is no way in this world, that a SECRET SOCIETY could put a BLACK MAN in the WHITE HOUSE! and yes, the PRESIDENT has been GROOMED, and is that a SECRET? No!! we call it doing the DANCE, when you are a BLACK MAN your life is an open BOOK! the WHITE MAN is forever searching for fault, they are programmed that way, so this information that you have is OBSOLETE!
Obama is behaving as if he still needs to reach across the aisle in the Senate.
Time for Barack and the democrats to make rethugs witnesses to history.
They have the numbers in the house and are already doing it there. That's why Boner is slurring his way through his bitch sessions.
Harry I have no balls, Reid needs to take some viagra and screw their brains out. Go Nuclear and change the rules. And then do what the majority of ameriKa wants.
Rethug ideas are drunken relics of the past, and that's what they should be. And if there is anything I can do to help let me know.
What was that line from Piccard, "Make it so".
@ anonymous
It's funny what people are so sure must be true, or can't be true, and how little they are willing to consider data outside of their worldview. My main point in sharing the Tarpley interview is that there's an interesting gap in Obama's story. A gap that was clearly deliberately created by Obama and whoever is supporting him because information that should be easily available is not. (I alluded to this at the end of my message when I stated, "what's missing is as important as what we know." As for smear, for anyone who understands the nature of RealPolitik, and the Republicans as a party do, if certain things are not supposed to be talked about then they will not be. (If your ignorance is such that you have no awareness of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and the Bilderberger Group, than you may not understand how much control is really a part of American and global politics, and that is fine. I am not here to convince you. Do the research yourself and you will have a more complete perspective.)
I am not saying that it was not the people who put Obama in office. As I stated before, he has moved me enough to genuinely bring me out of total political cynicism and to have a wait and see what happens attitude with an air of optimism.
I was actually concerned about Gore getting elected after W's first term because it was clear to me that people would stop being as vigilant as they had become. Well Obama's election has proved that that intuition was right. A part of the stimulus package not mentioned above is what is happening with farming. Under the pretext of taking care of us, we may lose our right to have truly organic food.
I haven't had the time to do full research on this, but this is the kind of thing I suspected would happen if we got a president we liked. A number of things just as bad as what W & Co. gave us would happen, but we wouldn't really notice until after the fact, when it would be way too late. Here's a URL for those who want to explore the details of this one facet of growing fascism being ushered through with the Stimulus Package:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-bills-being-rushe-by-Linn-Cohen-Cole-090217-758.html
Under the guise of keeping us safe the Federal Goverment wants to micromanage farmers, undoubtedly in a way that will work for Big Business interests. As I scanned over the text of the bill in the House, I was shocked at the level of Federal management that is being sought. I found nothing to keep the burden off the back of smaller organic and family farms. (I have stated I don't have the time to fully research this.) This is all being rushed through as a part of the Stimulus Package. It will include putting RFID tags in all livestock. We all noticed W ignore the US Constitution, well this makes it clear that Obama has no respect for the Constitution either, good bye 10th Amendment, no matter who is in office.
I know interstate commerce is continually used as the excuse for the rapildy creepig fascism but that doesn't make it right. The current law even makes sense, for those that are really doing "Industrial Farming," however it makes a lot less sense for small family farmers and down to earth organic farmers, (vs. jump on the growing desire for organics by industrial farmers.) If I saw something making a distinction between the two, I would feel a lot better.
At this rate, I will probably lose the audacity of hope by the end of March.
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