These clowns add a new meaning to that hymn, "Onward Christian Soldiers". Are you kidding me? Christian militia members arrested by Uncle Sam in the Midwest? These are truly "the times that try men's souls." They call themselves Hutaree, and they even have a web site. (You don't have to go there if you don't want to, just take my word for it) Everybody has a web site these days. Hey, didn't another infamous A-merry-can group use Christian symbolisms and hide under the cloak of Christianity to do their wretched and mephitic deeds? Of course they did, I was speaking rhetorically, they are still around as well. Although they have other names , now. That old name makes for poor marketing these days.
I am all for freedom of expression, but I can't blame the feds for cracking down on some of these groups in the age of Obama. Things are just too tense these days. It doesn't take much to send these deranged losers over the edge. All it takes are certain code words such as "reload" to get them all hot under their sheets.
"Savino and two other members from his unit met with the man, who was accompanied by three other men, two women and a young child. The man told Savino federal law enforcement agents had raided his Lenawee County home and had already taken five Hutaree members into custody in the Ann Arbor area, Savino said. ..'I asked'why are they getting detained and why are they raiding your house and they had no answer,' Savino said. Savino said he encouraged the man to turn himself in. The man said, 'That's not an option."'
Well gee whiz; if that's "not an option", just what the hell are the other ones?
Finally, I know it's Palm Sunday, and I am married to a Catholic, so I am going to be very careful with what I say next: About this thing with the Pope and these alleged sexual assaults of these deaf boys in Wisconsin. Are we ever going to get to the bottom of it? Hey, I am not trying to step on any toes here, I am just putting it out there. Inquiring minds want to know. Because there is never anything wrong with asking questions of those you hold in high esteem.
If any of Mrs. Fields friends read that last paragraph, please keep that on the low for the kid. That will be our little secret. Thank you.
297 comments:
1 – 200 of 297 Newer› Newest»I tell you,it's crazy and they gotta be stopped now! As for the alleged abuse, I can tell you that as a child I still remember a priest who was supposedly "helping the less fortunate immigrants" tried to get his foot in our household with what my mom immediately clasified as "bad intentions" when he lifted up one of my brothers on his lap! She picked up on his intentions right away. I remember my mom sent him packing so fast! She told the neighbors I don't need any help from the church! The very Catholic neighbors were all upset by her attitude too. They let him in their house and gave him their little boys, which was the only thing he was really interested in,to take on "little trips" How religion can blind people....
Thank God for my moms savvy, today my brothers are mentally stable productive citizens! He was not able to get to them!
We were raised Catholic though, we were careful catholics! LOLOLOL!
oh yeah okay, Ssshhhhhhhhhhh ;P
Just don't discriminate against them because they are homosexuals though. Make sure you focus on the Catholic part.
The men running the Church now would be pleased if all the Catholics who keep asking the questions & demanding answers left & became Anglicans.
field, you wrote:
"About this thing with the Pope and these alleged sexual assaults of these deaf boys in Wisconsin. Are we ever going to get to the bottom of it?"
It's about as obvious as things can get. The Catholic Church is a gay/pedophile recruitment center.
Look at what those people wear. The College of Cardinals?? Come on!
Is there any Catholic male who never met a priest who seemed a little odd? A little too friendly in a weird way? Too hands-on?
How about looking at the Pope's best buddy -- Georg. His right-hand man, so to speak. Come on?!? A flamer. So getting right down to the nitty-gritty. I think we got us a J. Edgar Hoover/Clyde Tolson couple running the show over there in the Vatican. Yep. A hum-dinger.
The shoes. Check out the shoes these guys wear. And the hats.
Good thing the government has turned its attention away from peaceful muslims and onto the real terrorist threat - white christians!
"Just don't discriminate against them because they are homosexuals though. Make sure you focus on the Catholic part."
Huh?
Good thing the government has turned its attention away from peaceful muslims and onto the real terrorist threat - white christians!"
The government should NOT focus its attention on "peaceful Muslims" or [real] "white Christians". Do you agree with me?
They committed no crime, unlike some innercity crazies I know. And besides SOMEONE has to fight the Anti-Christ, jeez.
szpork
Anonymous said...
"Just don't discriminate against them because they are homosexuals though. Make sure you focus on the Catholic part."
Homosexuals are exactly the same as heterosexuals. homosexuality is not a pathology or a crime.
Pedophelia, or forcing sexual intentions on a defenseless child, whether done by a male or a female,is a pathology.
To see and hear, as I have seen and heard, a child screaming in pain as he is sewn with 20 sutures between his anus and periscrotal area, and know that he was ripped apart by a pedophiles attack, is a harrowing experience and one that is unforgettable.
As for the catholic church, my thoughts are that a person who acts as a go between if you will, between the lay person and Christ or God, who is supposed to be a healer of the spirit,who has a sacred trust placed upon them, should not violate that sacred trust to cause harm. That is deceit and fraud in the highest degree! These acts just seem to be endemic to the church.
(Ooops! Sorry Field, you won't hear another word outta me)
szpork... the are charged with selling pipe bombs across state lines.. which is why the feds are involved... and trust me, if the feds are involved, they had someone who was either undercover, or a confidential informant to make their case....
The wingnuts are getting nervous. I don't think that Obama will make the mistake Clinton made with right-wing extremists.
Obama will nip this in the bud rather quickly, instead of giving the right wing martyrs like Koresh and McVeigh.
They make up the 20% of the country who are immovable to progress of any kind.
Trapped in SC said...
"The wingnuts are getting nervous. I don't think that Obama will make the mistake Clinton made with right-wing extremists.
Obama will nip this in the bud rather quickly, instead of giving the right wing martyrs like Koresh and McVeigh.
They make up the 20% of the country who are immovable to progress of any kind."
There's our resident fascist TSC, rallying behind the fuhrer. How many concentration camps we gonna be needin' for that 20%?
"The very Catholic neighbors were all upset by her attitude too. They let him in their house and gave him their little boys, which was the only thing he was really interested in,to take on "little trips" How religion can blind people...."
Pardon if I'm wrong, but the members of a church are often characterized as a "flock", with the sheep being used most commonly as the imagery; the Church itself is the shepard.
Now here we are, with the shepard purposely leading the sheep into the jaws of wolves, with the smallest and most innocent among them being personally used by these bad shepards before being tossed away like dirty tissues. Anyone else looking from the outside in will see this crap and rightfully call it for what it is, but they'll also come away with a bad perception of how a Church normally operates. This shit here isn't fucking normal.
The people on the inside, on the other hand, are blind, deaf and dumb to what's happening. Perhaps they don't want to know, as knowing will call everything they've believed in up to this point into question. So they keep following the shepard, while dismissing the warning signs, cries for help and the changed behavior in the smallest of the flock. And when they grow up, they either try to forget what happened and do their best to keep following, or they stagger away from the flock in pain.
Meanwhile, God sees this shit and He's teeth-grindingly PISSED.
"The men running the Church now would be pleased if all the Catholics who keep asking the questions & demanding answers left & became Anglicans."
The same goes for any organization that's doing what it's not supposed to be doing.
Are you waiting for me to post, anonymous wingnut?
You need to get laid. Seriously.
Bonus Question.
What is Fascism?
Don't go to Wikipedia. Just tell us what you think it is.
@ Slappz:
First this:
"Look at what those people wear. The College of Cardinals?? Come on!
Then this:
"I think we got us a J. Edgar Hoover/Clyde Tolson couple running the show over there in the Vatican."
And For the finale:
"The shoes. Check out the shoes these guys wear. And the hats."
This made my whole night! I am ROTFLMAO! hahahahahaha!
Peace.
~agape2010~
cactusrose is exactly right... pedophilia has nothing to do with homosexuality, so I would very much appreciate canning the homophobic comments... it is insulting and hurtful. And PLEASE do not tell me, it's just a joke... cuz it's not and you know it.
@ FN:
I went to Catholic school and church for my elementary, middle and high school years.
I was fortunate enough to be the only black....besides my siblings...the priests were too racist... and we were too black :)
Automatic pass on being molested/raped/physically abused/emotionally abused etc.
What I know about Rome and Catholic tradition and religion...? They will never pay up ($$$) unless they know they have enough money to recoup. Just sad.
Peace.
~agape2010~
It's so embarrassing to be a white man who owns guns these days. . . those MFers make me want to betray my heritage and renounce gun ownership.
About time the federal whip comes down on the backs of those truly deserving of it.
Jody, I'm sure you're right about that. I was on a looong fishing trip that got interrupted by my partner's ATF father in law getting shot in the butt by those TX guys in '93 or so. But seriously, is that compound less safe than Detroit? Is there more violence there? Are the morgues overflowing there?
Just saying
szpork
Trapped in SC said...
"Bonus Question.
What is Fascism?"
Fascism is a political system made possible by little wankers like you, a basement dwelling race nationlist yearning for a final solution to the intractable 20% who won't go along with their idea of progress.
That's not what facism is you goofball.
szpork
TSC: You are right, I do need to get laid. Tell your mom I'll be over later. And please stay in the basement tonight, you can make your own hot pockets for once.
Homosexual pedophilia in the Catholic Church is a serious problem. The boys were victimized in the worst way and I don't know if they can ever fully recover from that. Ratzinger, for he is not worthy of the title of Pope, is a sicko who damn sure KNEW those boys were abused and just brushed it under the rug. I hope he rots in hell for that. They need to find a replacement for him ASAP.
As to the militia group, I am pretty torn up about that story. If those people were minding their own business, there does need to be probable cause to arrest or charge them or confiscate their stuff. It bothers me that dissent is met with crushing punishment.
Szpork... I was just responding to your earlier post where you said "they committed no crime." And, if they were selling pipe bombs, and selling them across state lines, then that is worrysome.... especially in the current climate where these guys are being egged on with rhetoric by politicians and others that they are losing their country....
Frankly, these guys scare me far more than any guy from philly I might encounter on the street. These guys.... they are the Timothy McVeighs that not only are willing to take out strangers for a deluded cause, but I am who they will be declaring their war upon.. I am one of those secular, lesbian, lefties that they think needs to be stopped.
Sigh.
What ever happened to letting all the facts come to light on anything before jumping to conclusions?
Oh yeah, I forgot. That doesn't sell newspapers nor drive blog traffic.
Nothing like being proven guilty in the court of public opinion before the court of law has even convened.
But I digress.
You are right about the need to clamp down on that whole freedom-of-speech thing though.
Can't have the verbage of "fear" getting people all wee-wee'd up. That whole "reload" thing was WAAAAY out of line, esp. with it's reference to guns and all.
Not at all like this totally responsible statement:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/tab/article/
The hypocrisy is getting old.
FN, I am losing my respect for you.
Really.
I think that it's gone a little too far to call it just "dissent".
I think that the brown blogger has it right. He posted an article of law (I believe)that calls it "sedition"
http://www.thebrownblogger.com/2010/03/know-ledge.html
The lower/middle-class, white A-merry-kan populous was told for years that Dubya was their good buddy, that Reagan's trickle-down economics and tax cuts for the rich were good for them...and that Republican side of our corporate-owned, politricks duality would keep them safe from those awful Muslim terrorists. After 8 years of that propaganda, they discovered that the country was in a total financial abyss and had to blame someone. Even though it was Bush's policies and lack of attention to our eventual domestic and economic decline; (which I believe myself was orchestrated with a fine execution...) for that certain white demographic, ole' Dubya's reign was just a bullshit patriotic illusion about A-merry-ka, so how could he be to blame? After all he was protecting our "freedom" with that ole' Patriot Act...right?
Enter "that one"...you know, that mulatto-African elite-marxist negro with the funny muslim-sounding name...and now, certain white folks can truly express their self-righteous angst...their latent but misguided anger about the current state of "their" A-merry-ka. Their brains can't accept that what they have been told and sold isn't true and that the neo-cons and Repubs have never acted in their best interests...and that media tools and circus clowns like Beck and Limbaugh...celebrity whores like Palin, don't really believe what the say...and now they have been led to believe that "their" country is being taken over by some anti-christian, fascist plot headed by the non-A-merry-kan mulatto-African marxist head nigga-in-charge and his group of 60s anti-capitialist, intellectual elitists...now that's some real funny shit!
"I was not the one to invent lies: they were created in a society divided by race and class and each of us inherited lies when we were born..."
Jean Paul Sartre
"Just don't discriminate against them because they are homosexuals though. Make sure you focus on the Catholic part."
Yeah, must look past that and not talk about the fact that they were homosexuals has nothing to do with it. As some posters have said, those deaf boys were molested by homosexual priests but it doesn't mean ALL boys in the Catholic church were molested by homosexuals.
Right...
Frankly, these guys scare me far more than any guy from philly I might encounter on the street.
Jody,
How many people were killed by miltias last year? How many were killed by guys in the streets of Philadelphia?
"Homosexual pedophilia in the Catholic Church is a serious problem. The boys were victimized in the worst way and I don't know if they can ever fully recover from that. Ratzinger, for he is not worthy of the title of Pope, is a sicko who damn sure KNEW those boys were abused and just brushed it under the rug. I hope he rots in hell for that. They need to find a replacement for him ASAP."
Of course, those boys have been damaged for life by those filthy homosexual heathens of the cloth. No wonder the Vatican wants an exorcism...homosexuals, child molestations, and a Pope who knowingly allowed it to go on.
Rest assured that those atheist homosexual priests, along with the Pope will rot in hell.
Karen I don't understand your complaint about the blog post. And I am sure that Field can defend himself but I just wanted to respond.
I reread it because I thought maybe Field had been unfair. But he just threw out his opinion about this kind of group, kind of like he did about the flash mob kids in Philly. He didn't say they were innocent or guilty, but was disturbed as I would think that most sensible people would be about their rhetoric/ideology.
Sarah Palin indeed said of conservatives, that instead of "retreating they should reload." When people say stuff like that you know that it makes it fair game. ON her website she produced a map that pictured guns over the states that supported the Health Care bill.
I have read these folks doctrine and what they say they are about. I have never seen those biblical passages interpreted to mean the conclusions they have obviously drawn.
I think most folks would have to say that they are a little over the top, and most Christians would probably agree.
And Field is right the KKK called themselves and still refer to themselves as Christians and continue to use Christian symbolism. In fact the burning of the cross is their show of committment to it.
I have lived long enough to see people and the press go absolutely crazy when someone who wants to change the system to end racism, poverty, injustice, and unjust wars has said anything anywhere near suggesting violence.
Right wing ideologues are doing it all the time and there has been very little outcry comparatively. The key word being comparatively.
There have been conservative sites that have encouraged folks to throw rocks and break windows of those they disagree with, there have been more than a few references to the quote about the tree of liberty needing to be watered with blood and on and on.
The point is that some of this stuff is downright disturbing and I think that trying to say that Field is being unbalanced is to miss the point, that some things and people in this society are becoming unbalanced.
Your sensitivity to a wrong that was not done to this Christian militia group (by Field), but whose ideology is a bit suspect to say the least,(I mean what and who are they prepared to shoot or defend it's not clear) actually calls into question your "good intentions" not Fields.
"All it takes are certain code words such as "reload" to get them all hot under their sheets."
Well, if the Fed can arrest those Hutarees, why can't they arrest Palin, Rush, and Beck for attempting to influence physical harm on the President?
seeinwitmy3rdeye said... "After 8 years of that propaganda, they discovered that the country was in a total financial abyss and had to blame someone. Even though it was Bush's policies and lack of attention to our eventual domestic and economic decline; (which I believe myself was orchestrated with a fine execution...)"
"Enter "that one"...you know, that mulatto-African elite-marxist negro with the funny muslim-sounding name...and now, certain white folks can truly express their self-righteous angst...their latent but misguided anger about the current state of "their" A-merry-ka. Their brains can't accept that what they have been told and sold isn't true and that the neo-cons and Repubs have never acted in their best interests..."
Thumbs up on everything you said!
Karen, you're a fucking white, racist-ass "christian" pandering bitch.
What about when they cross those state lines successfully and blow up a church or school in the Black neighborhood like they usually do.
I happen to have three little black babies. My wife and I both carry, and we're not afraid to shoot in the least. I give all you whites fair warning: any problems with me or my family will be settled in blood, period.
field
the book "brainwashed" should be required reading for all.
thanks,
mr. i.m. black
You persist in your paranoia, and it will most likely be your blood, Shabbaz. I pity your children.
mr. i.b. black?
Looks like you have a new troll, Field. After Frank D, s/he is probably the funniest cracker to visit in a while.
Anonymous said...
You persist in your paranoia, and it will most likely be your blood, Shabbaz. I pity your children.
You think so?
Try me bitch.
On to the topic of the post, they may call themselves a militia but it looks like they forgot the "well regulated" part.
anon12:52am, "You persist in your paranoia, and it will most likely be your blood, Shabbaz. I pity your children."
I can understand his fear of them, considering they are paranoid racists who practicing attack and maneuver tactics to start a civil war.
Who are they planning to kill? I bet it is NOT white people.
Nah, Shabazz is not paranoid. And he would be a fool to let his guard down, with these folks openly making threats, and so would anybody else that they are making threats towards.
Paranoid is those crazy folks running around here hollering about "We got to take back our country," and coming up with all of those stupid and ridiculous notions that our President is an alien or the anti-christ, but who overlooked how Bush and Reagan messed over them left and right.
If this is the UNITED States of America, a nation, what in the world do they need a milita to get ready for starting a civil war against other citizens of this UNITED States of America. Black folks and homosexuals are citizens and have just as must right as the next fellow to be here and enjoy tranquilly and peace and the pursuit of happiness as they do.
ooo...ooo...Sarah Palin is a cuckoo, and when it is all said and done, I hope she dug more than one ditch.
I obviously don't have all the facts about this militia. From your blog post FN, it seems as though the government was making an example of them. I certainly need to do more research on this particular case.
With regards to the responses to my comment above, don't take it to the extreme and say hateful things. That wasn't my intention at all. I was simply stating that the Catholic Church has a problem with homosexual pedophiles entering the priesthood.
ANY type of pedophile no matter their sexual orientation is bad, but one wonders why there is such a cluster of specific types of pedophiles in the Catholic Church. For God's sakes it is a CHURCH!!!
Some people have blamed the celibacy requirements for turning these priests nutty. But I have not heard anything about nun pedophile scandals and they have to be celibate too!
Clearly this issue should be further investigated from MANY perspectives and perhaps the men who apply to become priests should be more thoroughly vetted.
All in all, this is very very sad. I am particularly disgusted with the cover up because not only were the victims CHILDREN who are vulnerable, they were fucking DISABLED CHILDREN. Anyone who DARE hurt a defenseless disabled child surely is doomed. People like this make me question my stance on the death penalty, especially since I am the Mother of a little boy!
Oh yeah, and I add Jews to that list because they want to harm them too.
"Well, if the Fed can arrest those Hutarees, why can't they arrest Palin, Rush, and Beck for attempting to influence physical harm on the President?"-Anonymous
Whoa! You've hit a very salient point and that is the important question here isn't it?! According to the Brandenberg ruling, a persons speech can be limited. But in order to get charge them with inciting a riot or something, you have to show that their rhetoric presented an 'imminent danger' to the welfare of the community in which the act takes place.
And unfortunately this concept is somewhat fuzzy because at some point we might slip and get into punishing people's thoughts rather than their behavior. This is why the determination of whether or not something will present immediate danger via some rhetoric is exceedingly complex.
Given that Limbaugh and others of his ilk use coded language and are never overt enough to truly incite a riot, it would be hard to bar their free speech no matter how divisive it is.
"Some people have blamed the celibacy requirements for turning these priests nutty. But I have not heard anything about nun pedophile scandals and they have to be celibate too!"
Regarding celibacy as the reason: a straight priest would commit adultery with a woman, and wouldn't be interested in having sex boys-let alone molesting deaf little boys. No, this kind of spiritual sickness rests with homosexuals.
Another important point: it would seem that many of them don't believe in God...i.e. no God-consciousness.
"it would be hard to bar their free speech no matter how divisive it is."
When Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Rap Brown, and others exercised their freedom of speech, they arrested them. Carlos Fuentas was barred from the USA when he exercised his freedom of speech. But Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, and Palin can say stuff that incites violence and that is called Freedom of Speech and what makes it even worse is that their freedom of speech is aimed at public officials and our President. That's America for ya though. The double standard practiced in America is something else. Smh!
Freedom of speech does not mean threatening violence or agitating violence.
Freedom of speech does not mean threatening violence or agitating violence. (if you're white.)
'Sup Granny!!!
MR-"Given that Limbaugh and others of his ilk use coded language and are never overt enough to truly incite a riot, it would be hard to bar their free speech no matter how divisive it is."
I hear you. But what happens if some nut takes Rush or Beck seriously and actually does harm or worst kill a government official?
Do they still get to continue on with their rhetoric? Must we wait until something actually happens?
If we can take pre-emptive war strikes against another country because of potential harm, why can't the government take pre-emptive actions against a nut like Beck, Rush, or Palin who are clearly using inflammatory code words?
@Shabazz, all is well. Thinking to myself do I need to oil my artillery and pull out my nunchakus,blow gun, tonfas, and throwing stars *wink* LOL!
Lawd, knows I don't want to backslide on some of those crazy folks behind. :)
Anonymous 2:24:
Amen, amen, and amen again! That's what I'm talking about, and they should do just that. BTW, isn't that called treason in a time of war to incite uprisings against the government?
There have already been shootings that were inspired by people like Beck, Savage, Hannity and O'Reilly.
Remember Jim David Adkisson who shot up the Unitarian church. His list of targets included Democratic Congressmen/women and Senators as well as the people in Bernard Goldberg's book. Because he didn't think he could get to the liberal leaders, he decided to murder liberals who were closer at hand.
Im gonna say this one more time.... PEDOPHILES ARE PEDOPHILES! THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOMOSEXUAL OR HETROSEXUAL... THEY ARE PEDOPHILES! And, the reason that a place like the priesthood might attract them is because pedophiles look for places of opportunity for their victims... thus you hear of them being coaches, or scout leaders or teachers..... Pedophiles seek out children and opportunity. Think about all of the stories of pedophiles in the above listed professions... And, pedophiles come in all stripes, as far as their "cover" ... they are married, or have girlfriends... ie straight. Pedophilia is NOT about sexual orientation... it is a pathological disorder... kinda like rape is not about the sex, it is about power, humiliation and control..... Got it?
"Frankly, these guys scare me far more than any guy from philly I might encounter on the street. These guys.... they are the Timothy McVeighs that not only are willing to take out strangers for a deluded cause, but I am who they will be declaring their war upon.. I am one of those secular, lesbian, lefties that they think needs to be stopped."
Go on and preach, Jody. I couldn't agree more.
I went to Catholic school and church for my elementary, middle and high school years.
I was fortunate enough to be the only black....besides my siblings...the priests were too racist... and we were too black :)"
LOL! You must not be from South Louisiana. In Mrs. Field's neck of the woods there are plenty of black Catholics. BTW, is it me, or would it be too much to ask the Catholic church to allow Priests to marry if they want to. Is there something in the bible that prevents that?
Regarding celibacy as the reason: "a straight priest would commit adultery with a woman, and wouldn't be interested in having sex boys-let alone molesting deaf little boys. No, this kind of spiritual sickness rests with homosexuals."
Ahh, wouldn't a "straight priest" be just as likely to molest an under aged girl?
"The hypocrisy is getting old.
FN, I am losing my respect for you.
Really."
Karen, get a number and get in line. :)
Hey Filled Negro!!!!
Though you suffer no consequence for defending the "gutter muck" that you do so in court - you will accuse me of "defending these guys" when I ask you a few questions:
1) Do you have any details of any THREATS that they have made against Obama, the US Government or any other Politician?
2) What was the purpose of the raid? (Or do you now FAVOR such police action - but only when it is against your enemies? Crack dealers not being one of them)
3) Do you find it ironic that these people were amassing guns in preparation for an assault by forces in the name of Armageddon while many of the people that you defend on a daily basis amass weapons because they are threatened by the rival a few blocks away?
Tell us honestly, Filled Negro - how many of your clients had guns in their possession and YOU worked to get their charges dropped?
Please explain to us your honest belief about guns and their legality? The government imposed consequences for those who violate these standards.
"Pedophilia is NOT about sexual orientation... it is a pathological disorder... kinda like rape is not about the sex, it is about power, humiliation and control..... Got it?"-Jody
Jody I completely disagree. I agree that pedophiles come in all stripes no matter sexual orientation. But I do take issue with the old mantras that say these crimes aren't motivated by a sexual component; instead its a lust for power and control. That isn't totally true. If it was only about power and control, they wouldn't be using their bodies in a sexual way to harm others. Rapists aren't just power hungry assholes; they are sexually maladjusted sickos who harbor hatred and other more complex emotions towards their victims.
Regarding the Church being an opportune place for pedophiles, yet that is true because they have access to children. But why do we usually hear about these scandals from the Catholic Church? Other religious denominations similarly provide the adults access to children fora activities etc...but you don't hear about those scandals too much unless its like a cult in Utah or something. By far the Catholic Church seems to have an overwhelming number of these cases. What I've been trying to figure out all these years is what about the CATHOLIC church in particular attracts these sickos.
It is also possible that the media's presentation of these cases is so fraught with sensationalism that other cases are overlooked. By far, if pedophiles always sought out places to victimize children, then you'd hear a LOT more about teacher pedophiles because school would be their fantasy!
To make sure my assertions are correct, more research analyzing the distribution of cases across professions and locations would have to be conducted.
MRigmaidan, my point is, unlike pedophiles that assault boys, pedophiles that assault little girls does not call into question hetrosexuality as contributing to their behavior.... they are seen for what they are.... pedophiles...
Yes, there is a sexual component... in rape and pedophilia... it is the method to do the harm... but the goal is to do the harm..... and I agree, they are maladjusted sickos..... but the malajustment is not related to sexual orientation.
FN, from what I've read the early Christian priests WERE allowed to marry. Then via some decree a few hundred years after Christ's death, priests were prohibited from marrying. Some say this was a power grab by the Catholic church to consolidate its wealth because if priests had offspring, they might try to get some of the wealth. Rather than face that possibility the powers that be decided it'd be best not to allow them or nuns to marry.
"and I agree, they are maladjusted sickos..... but the malajustment[sic] is not related to sexual orientation."-Jody
Yes, I think that is likely true. But it still doesn't answer the question of why these types of people cluster in specific areas,except the obvious ones like Boys or Girls Scouts...
I understand that in the Jewish Orthodox community, the treatment of pedophiles actually does have basis in the Talmud from Sanhedrin. There is a passage that says that if a boy is molested by a woman before the age of nine then it isn't molestation because the boy was too young to 'throw guilt' but if the boy is older than nine, the act is a crime.
If anything, with such a contentious passage in a religious book you'd think that we'd hear more about scandals in that community. But mostly it is with the Catholics. Why?
MR,
While going to Catholic school I notice that priest had a much different relationship with their congregation than other ministers. Their congregation tended to extend the infallibility of the pope to the priest, especially from the women. This gave them more trusting parents. I am sure the pedophiles that grow up in the church know this. They may have also been molested themselves in the church. Since there has been no action over many decades, you can see how this could grow exponentially. I think why boys are the victims is because the priest have greater access and traditionally have not included women and girls in the some Church activities. They would have a Boys Choir more likely than a Children's Choir and until very recently, I believe there were only Alter Boys.
I am not Catholic so I am speaking from my limited observation.
I am all for freedom of expression, but I can't blame the feds for cracking down on some of these groups in the age of Obama. Things are just too tense these days. It doesn't take much to send these deranged losers over the edge. All it takes are certain code words such as "reload" to get them all hot under their sheets.
Exactly. Which is exactly the reason why I was shocked at seeing how Sarah Palin, a presidential candidate, uttered these strongly charged words to the American public. I just do not understand her line of thought behind such ignorance.
I understand she is a Republican. But, still.
I have no words for the alleged sexual assualt of these deaf children at the hands of a Pope, of all people. We are living in the last days, so I really do not understand why I continue to be surprised at the things I see and hear. Yes, we are all imperfect and no one is free of judgement.
But, still.....
It has nothing to do with being a gay. There are female child molesters too. They are just reported as much. There is probably an attraction but quote unquote normal people are not attracted to children. It's about opportunity more than anything. It's just an easy place for them to hide. And not to pull the race card but most of these kids are white. They are groomed to be quiet and from what I can tell, now I may be wrong but there are mostly boys doing the major things in church that would put them in some alone time with the priest.
And while black people do or die for the church as well let one of these kids come home and say that Pastor Black has touched my no-no they will be some shit going on. It's not going to be covered up.
"BTW, isn't that called treason in a time of war to incite uprisings against the government?"-Granny
Granny, that is a fine line. I think the term incite is at issue. How a term prosecutes a charge of inciting a riot can be complex especially if the people doing the inciting aren't doing it real time. One of the requirements is that the incitement has to produce 'imminent lawless action' and so regarding teaching materials, DVDs, online lectures and the like this is a serious gray area.
See this post and discussion from a few years back on this very issue.
Someone once pointed out that Martin Luther King Jr. was considered a seditionist by our government because he advocated radically changing the status quo. He did not advocate violent action, but he did advocate imminent lawless action in specific locales. He was even jailed a couple of times for his advocacy! All of this to say, we should be very careful when talking about clamping down on free speech because we don't want to shut down folks with some valid criticisms of the government either!
Hathor, I never realized that girls were excluded from specific activities thus giving the priests more access to boys. I didn't realized that is how it can happen. Scary. My husband and I want our son to join Boy Scouts but we will both be obligated to be Scout leaders because neither of us trust the possibility of leaving our boy alone with some adult male we don't know very well!
I might sound paranoid but...
MR,
The Scouts have a pretty good policy of prevention. There are supposed to be two adults for every 6 Scouts in all Scouting activities. Any combo of leaders or parents. The Scouts always try to get parents involved and they can participate even if they are not leaders.
Even at the Cub Scout level, I would suggest that you husband become a leader, more so than you, because there are some boys in the scouts that don't have any male role models. Have you husband to encourage his friends to join.
That is good to know Hathor. Yes my husband is ready when the time comes. I think when our son is five or so will be time:)
Stupid Granny,
I am a Jew and I don't want that, please do not make broad brush statements.
Thank you.
RM
Why is is that the media only portrays blacks in a certain way?
That answers your question about the Catholic church, the media controls everything. They "have it out" for hte Catholic church, same as blacks.
Anonymous, thanks for the comment. Yes I wonder about that too. Framing issues is everything. For example we get the SPLC newsletter and have for many years on and off. However, recently they characterize ANYONE who protests against our government as a terrorist extremist. A couple of the organizations, I am somewhat familiar with and the SPLC's characterization of them as terrorist organizations is far from the truth. Good examples are the Nation of Islam, where despite some foot in mouth statements by Farrakhan in the past has done a whole helluva lot to help Black folks, then the Moorish Science Temple by Queen Valhara el Bey is also considered a hate group, why...I have absolutely no idea except some of the tax protester rhetoric. Lastly the Oathkeepers with Sheriff Mack have been demonized by the SPLC publication and that is waaaaay off.
All of this to say, I can see your point. More research should be conducted to see if the clustering I mentioned is correct or its an illusion in perception due to media bias in presentation.
Jody said "And, the reason that a place like the priesthood might attract them is because pedophiles look for places of opportunity for their victims... "
I agree.
Someone told me once that priest tend to molest children because they are prohibited from marriage. I don't agree. I think pedophiles gravitate to victim opportunities (as Jody suggested). I also think some pedophiles early in life may have sensed their ill and potential harm towards children, therefore some may have tried to find a cure or salvation through religion. However, a pedophile will always be a pedophile in my opinion, thus why we are hearing about so much pedophiles who just happen to be among the church.
And in all fairness, just because a Man may molest a boy, I don't think it necessarily means the molester is homosexual. I say this because, sexual based assaults aren't usually about the sex, but more so about control/humiliation etc etc.
LOL at Shabazz, I picked up on the comment by Karen. Every now and again this blog gets some grinder-type white defensive apologist who tries to throw in the reverse psychology shit.
CF
Your shameless Tomming is a wonder to behold.
Do you really doubt that the militias whom you vigorously defend on these boards wouldn't hesitate to hang your black ass from the highest pine given the chance regardless of how much you shrieked that you have the same political philosophy as they?
They still couldn't get past your black skin.
Now surprise me with a rant about how you're more likely to get offed by Atlanta street pirates.
What has been your direct contact with the pirates thus far?
about the boy scouts--surprised you don't know about this, hathor and RM:
they've take a big page from the catholics--who deserve every WORD of criticism!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35944804/
MSNBC.com
Boy Scouts accused of sex abuse cover-up
‘Perversion files’ kept secret by Scouts due to ‘confidential information’
The Associated Press
updated 5:12 a.m. ET, Fri., March. 19, 2010
PORTLAND, Ore. - The Boy Scouts of America has long kept an extensive archive of secret documents that chronicle the sexual abuse of young boys by Scout leaders over the years.
The "perversion files," a nickname the Boy Scouts are said to have used for the documents, have rarely been seen by the public, but that could all change in the coming weeks in an Oregon courtroom.
The lawyer for a man who was molested in the 1980s by a Scout leader has obtained about 1,000 Boy Scouts sex files and is expected to release some of them at a trial that began Wednesday.
The lawyer says the files show how the Boy Scouts have covered up abuse for decades.
The trial is significant because the files could offer a rare window into how the Boy Scouts have responded to sex abuse by Scout leaders.
The only other time the documents are believed to have been presented at a trial was in the 1980s in Virginia.
At the start of the Oregon trial, attorney Kelly Clark recited the Boy Scout oath and the promise to obey Scout law to be "trustworthy." Then he presented six boxes of documents that he said will show "how the Boy Scouts of America broke that oath."
He held up file folder after file folder he said contained reports of abuse from around the country, telling the jury the efforts to keep them secret may have actually set back efforts to prevent child abuse nationally.
"The Boy Scouts of America ignored clear warnin
g signs that Boy Scouts were being abused," Clark said.
'Trying to do the right thing'
Charles Smith, attorney for the national Boy Scouts, said in his own opening statement the files were kept under wraps because they "were replete with confidential information."
Smith told the jury the files helped national scouting leaders weed out sex offenders, especially repeat offenders who may have changed names or moved in order to join another local scouting organization.
"They were trying to do the right thing by trying to track these folks," Smith said.
Clark is seeking $14 million in damages on behalf of a 37-year-old man who was sexually molested in the early 1980s in Portland by an assistant Scoutmaster, Timur Dykes.
Clark said the victim suffered mental health problems, bad grades in school, drug use, anxiety, difficulty maintaining relationships and lost several jobs over the years because of the abuse.
Dykes was convicted three times between 1983 and 1994 of sexually abusing boys, most of them Scouts.
Although there have been dozens of lawsuits against the organization over sex abuse allegations, judges for the most part have either denied requests for the files or the lawsuits have been settled before they went to trial.
The Boy Scouts had fought to keep the files being used in the Portland trial confidential. But they lost a pretrial legal battle when the Oregon Supreme Court rejected their argument that opening the files could damage the lives and reputations of people not a party to the lawsuit.
The lawsuit also named the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because the Mormons acted as a charter organization, or sponsor, for the local Boy Scouts troop that included the victim. But the church has settled its portion of the case.
The Portland trial comes as the Boy Scouts are marking their 100th anniversary.
"They spent a century building the Boy Scout brand," said Patrick Boyle, author of a book about sex abuse in the Boy Scouts. "It's one of the most respected organizations in the world."
The trial "can only erode what they have been doing for 100 years," he said.
The Portland case centers on whether the Boy Scouts of America did enough to protect boys from Dykes.
The Mormon bishop who also served as head of the Scout troop, Gordon McEwen, confronted Dykes after receiving a report of abuse by the mother of one boy in the troop in January 1983.
In a video deposition played for the jury, the bishop said Dykes admitted abusing 17 boys.
Probation
But McEwen said he contacted the parents of all 17 boys and the boys themselves, and none would confirm any abuse.
Dykes was arrested in 1983 and pleaded guilty to attempted sexual abuse, received probation and was ordered to stay away from children.
Clark told the jury Dykes continued with his scouting activities until he was arrested in July 1984 during a routine traffic stop while he was driving a van full of Scouts on a camping trip.
A spokesman for the Boy Scouts of America at its headquarters in Irving, Texas, said in a statement the organization cannot comment on details of the case. But it has worked hard on awareness and prevention efforts, including background checks.
"Unfortunately, child abuse is a societal problem and there is no fail-safe method for screening out abusers," Deron Smith said.
Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35944804/
"And in all fairness, just because a Man may molest a boy, I don't think it necessarily means the molester is homosexual. I say this because, sexual based assaults aren't usually about the sex, but more so about control/humiliation etc etc."-LAAudiobooks
Why do people say that about sexual assault? Jody said it above and I've heard this on feminist sites too. The way I see it is that sex is an integral part of the mindset of these sickos otherwise it wouldn't be integrated into their crimes. Here is a youtube video of a prisoner who exercises his sexual attraction to other prisoners by threatening to rape them if they don't willingly have sexual relations with him. If you suggest that his raping of men has more to do with control than sex, I'd challenge that.
As a victim of sexual assault twice since beginning adulthood, my personal experience is that the people who commit these crimes have botched views on sex and are out of balance with how they see the role of sex in relation to their own bodies.
There have been numerous cases of people who are sadistic and like to see others suffer via controlling them etc but not all of these cases have an overt sexual component like rape.
All of this to say that if the emphasis in discussions of sexual assault is on the need for a rapist to control and have power over his or her victims, it does the complexity of these crimes a disservice and potentially cuts off relevant analysis of the psychological makeup of these weirdos.
As to the choice of vocabulary when describing these nasty priests, a man who sexually assaults boys is a homosexual pedophile. Homosexual because he likes folks of the same gender pedophile because he's going after boys. This description is necessary to describe that behavior, to categorize and study it. If you don't call it out for what it is, then it is difficult to adequately address the concerns of the victims and devise preventative strategies...
Maria, what is your point? I had heard that there were problems at the Boys Scouts but didn't know about this cover up. That doesn't change the fact that the Boys Scouts have traditionally been a stellar organization that allows children to grow to their potentials. I was part of the Boy Scouts Explorers in High School and it really enriched my life. I want my son to be involved in the Boy Scouts or a similar organization. I also think that the Catholic faith is a beautiful one. Just because there are a bunch of sick fucks who are priests does not take away from the good people and good works that the church does worldwide. The Catholic Church is one of the largest charitable organizations on the PLANET. The Boys Scouts helps boys to grow into men. There are just some bad seeds that need to be taken out in these organizations.
ditto fn:
the catholic church and the pope must pay for what has become INSTITUTIONAL CHILD ABUSE by strategic sanctions....shame!!!
see more:
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/pimping-the-popes-pampergate-predatory-priests-hypocritical-homohaters.html?_c=feed-atom
most pedophiles are het married men who rape their own daughters and nieces...
most kids are safer with a priest than with their own uncles!!!
the priests who are abusing children do not represent all prients nor all gays...
the same homohaters who force gay men to hide their sexuality inside churches are the same homohaters who blame all priests and all gays for what SOME demonic priests do...shame!!!
Videos
Salad Tossing Man
Booty Man rapist
1min 31 sec mark when he begins
most pedophiles are het married men who rape their own daughters and nieces...
most kids are safer with a priest than with their own uncles!!!
the priests who are abusing children do not represent all prients nor all gays...
the same homohaters who force gay men to hide their sexuality inside churches are the same homohaters who blame all priests and all gays for what SOME demonic priests do...shame!!!
mroctaloon:
as always you are being an arrogantly ignorant lewd gaybashing xxx fool herein
most pedophiles are hets
they molest children who grow up to be het
most pedophile teachers are het females who molest teen/tween boys today
your children are not safe anywhere
so spend your time being vigilant rather than a twisted clueless moron u psycho octaloon shrew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M. Rigmaiden, I used to see it your way. But remember, there are men and women who are willing to give sex away for free, just like people who give away a stick of gum.
"The way I see it is that sex is an integral part of the mindset of these sickos otherwise it wouldn't be integrated into their crimes. "
That's because they know their victims would be much more devastated through such a personal and intimate violation act. That is where they get their climax, for most of them, it's not about what they can feel through their genitalia. Being able to hurt, humiliate, emotionally and physically, abduct, control, torture and terrorize another person through the act of rape is much more climaxing than the actual act of intercourse.
Those priest also get their kicks from being able to manipulate, control and take away the innocence of those young children. Similar can apply to inmates in prisons, you don't just turn a man-rapist when you're in incarcerated for a long period of time, not all of them rape each other, only the ones who are inclined.
I don't think anyone here except some anonymous commenter is singling out homosexual pedophiles in particular. All pedophiles are bad. The term homosexual pedophile is only used to label behavior and it is warranted. You cannot study a topic and come up with preventative measures if you cannot even label it properly.
As to the number of sex crimes committed in the USA and the sexual orientation of the perpetrators of rape, I don't know the numbers and frankly that isn't the issue. The issue is that CHILDREN ARE BEING ABUSED by those who are supposed to be spiritual stewards of their congregational flocks. This is really distressing and needs to be addressed. Aggressively and fast.
mroctaloon:
many nuns do molest children too
and abuse them emotionally and physically also
u r blinded by your homohatred so u will remain arrogantly ignorant
as a rule, women tend to repeat physical abuse less than men
...and most pedophiles are het men who were also molested as children
that's great, RM.
seriously, what was my point? you don't think it's relevant in comments on a post about pedophile abuses by the catholic church, which morph into comments about the boy scouts, to mention a similar scandal?
what was my point. hmm. pretty sure you got it.
i won't defend or further comment on the the boy scouts or the catholic church.
and right on, AB. some folks have no learning curve at all.
"That is where they get their climax, for most of them, it's not about what they can feel through their genitalia. Being able to hurt, humiliate, emotionally and physically, abduct, control, torture and terrorize another person through the act of rape is much more climaxing than the actual act of intercourse."-LAAudiobooks
And LAA, you know this how? Don't get me wrong, there must be issues of perverse pleasure in controlling a person to one that is a rapist but I still think that the sexual role is being downplayed too much. And then there are some who are compulsive sex addict pedophiles who are aggressive, the illness's intensity exponentiates in time and they lose control. But I cannot speak to the pleasure they feel or its source. It would be nice if we could figure out what makes these types of assholes tick so that we could devise ways to reduce and eliminate rapes from occurring in the first place.
Thanks for your response BTW. This is a very difficult topic.
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As to another comment, where the assertion was made that most pedophiles are heterosexual that is just an absurd non issue! Who cares whether or not more straight or homosexual people are pedophiles? The point is that they exist in the first place!
The church is supposed to be a place where sick get healed and the well can rejoice because God loves us all no matter our station in life. Therefore it really bothers me that these pedophile priests abuse that aspect of Christian doctrine; forgiveness. They use that as a cover to continue their abuse over many years and it's plumb wrong and evil!
maria,
I did not say that there were no incidents, I said the Boy Scout had procedures to prevent abuse. If you are an aware parent you have the ability to make sure the policy is enforced and you can participate yourself. Why would this person have the repeated opportunity? I guess that pedophiles are experts at singling out the parents.
I am not condoning any action of cover up, nor am I trying to be an apologist for the Scouts. I don't like their position about homosexuals either, but I do think it is a worthwhile organization and that many boys need it.
I was a Scout leader for four years and our training stressed having parental involvement. I did what I could to encourage participation.
I think there has to be a demystification process of people who are in charge of our children, not an obsessive paranoia, but an eye toward the cautious.
mroctaloon:
you are the most rabid gaybasher on this site
"rape is not about power"???
wtf???!!!
ted bundy was gorgeous...a smart law student and a magnet to women...and still he raped and abused and slaughtered them as a serial killer...he had a sexy live in lover and stepdaughter the entire time he slew women and girls at will...
the recent cragslist rapist/killer in nyc was also a dreamy blonde haired blue eyed pre med student...
men do not rape elderly women in their beds covered with ben gay because they find them sexy/hot..
they do not split infants open vaginally because they like pampers/baby powder is aural viagra
you are a brazen pissy idiot!!!!
the catholic church is very gender segregated...more male priests have access to more boys period!!!...some priests have molested girls too...
cowardly homohating fools like you find it easier to slander homos than admit that children are unsafe/religion teaches gays to be psycho self haters/forced celibacy is inhumane and causes dementia etc!!!
ted bundy hated himself for his parental emotional abuse/wounding by females the very same way that homohaters like you demand that homos hate themselves/teach them via your demonic religions that god hates them too
you are the epitome of evil and lunacy u octoloon!!!!!
I must be very fortunate.
I grew up in the Catholic Church. The NYC diocese. Went to Catholic School. Attended and worked at a Catholic Summer Camp for Boys for 8years.
Never saw or heard of any sexual abuse from nuns, priests or seminarians.
Saw a bunch of alcholics and even a few potheads.
I'm still inclined to believe that the sexual predators are very small in number in the Catholic Church just as in any other cross section of society.
The real problem is the coverups and the lack of accountability.
mroctaloon:
the church is a place where homos are broken and hated and made to feel doomed etc...and even hets are twisted because of the bs religions teach...
tyler perry was NOT catholic when he was molested by a male church elder...he was also molested by an elder female too
pedophiles are everywhere!!!...more sports coaches have molested girls and boys than priests!!!
even madonna says all of her sexual issues come from the catholic church...i have many jewish friends who lament the same twisted lessons of guilt and shame...god invented sex...the church destroyed that invention as they destroy all
and evil twisted hopelessly and perpetually ignorant bitches like u and dicedicyicy are poster girls for thw WORST that religions has to offer!!!!
mroctaloon:
r kelly is one of the most beautiful and gifted and sexy and rich men on earth who can have any het female he wants...and still he is a serial chicken hawk!!!
mj was also molested as child...by joe and other adult males... and he repeated that behavior as a serial pedophile too
wake up!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/r-kelly---bumping-grinding-on-babies.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/this-is-not-it---mourning-the-eternal-michael-jackson.html
mroctaloon:
you get more ignorant each day!!!
FEW RABID fools would ever claim the church is "healing" to homos...not to mention all those pimp preachers who are also molesting many girls/women/boys in ALL religions!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/savage-sanctuaries---their-own-receive-them-not.html
http://www.amazon.com/Snakes-Pulpit-Reuben-Armstrong/dp/097983600X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269874241&sr=1-1
http://www.fishoutofwaterfilm.com/site.html
http://www.womanvision.org/all-gods-children.html
M. RIgmaiden, I appreciate the dialogue as well. I agree, whatever their sicko motives are, we need better systems in place to stop sexual assaults, be them by heterosexuals or homosexuals. This is why I detest all kinds of rapist, and I abhor groups like NAAMBLA, they are universal terrorist that should not have any rights, period. Unbelievable. Where I live in the USVI, do you know there are NO sex registry in place, only now they are trying to sanction it. Can you imagine how many rapist and pedophiles are here hiding out in the UNITED STATES Virgin Islands?????
I'm sorry that you have been a victim, I have not. Yet I am still traumatized to a some degree because I care about the victims and I'm petrified daily for myself and my loved ones. I'm always tense on my guard when I'm by myself, I'm a light sleeper and I lose sleep at night with every sound that creeks, especially when my boyfriend works shifts and doesn't come around at nights. It's a societal problem that effects lots of people mentally and emotionally than realized, I wish more people and law makers would understand that.
I meant sex offender registry.
mroctaloon:
this is your bio
u and all holy hater clones like you!
you evil fools disgrace god and all that god creates including SEX!!!!
enjoy!
http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269874644&sr=1-1
[quote]Your shameless Tomming is a wonder to behold.
Do you really doubt that the militias whom you vigorously defend on these boards wouldn't hesitate to hang your black ass from the highest pine given the chance regardless of how much you shrieked that you have the same political philosophy as they?[/quote]
WhiteBowieSteve:
Why is it a more powerful notion in your mind that I, a Black man, should be more FEARFUL of the POTENTIAL THREAT that these White Christian Militia group MIGHT be to me than you are comfortable with me showcasing the CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER that the Street Pirates are imposing upon ACTUAL BLACK PEOPLE to-damned-day?
Story: Video Evidence Of WOMEN in Metro-Atlanta who are in fear in their own homes after several Street Pirate Attacks:
http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2010/03/women-living-in-fear-in-their-own-homes.html
WhiteBowieSteve:
You should form a Street Pirate training camp. Maybe if their learned how to aim their guns better fewer innocent victims would be murdered on the street from stray bullets that missed their target.
ditto laa
women always live in fear due to rape...
men only know how we feel everywhere every day when they are inmtes in prison
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de08707d860d.html
uptownsteve said...
"The real problem is the coverups and the lack of accountability."
A bit of sense finally on this topic, and from Uptown no less.
Question: Has society's, and by extension the church's tacit accepting of homosexuality since the 1960's contributed to this problem? I know this has probably always occurred and that not all abuse is homosexual, but it seems that due to either a dearth of priest candidates or the pressure of political correctness, the percentage of gay priests has increased dramatically over the past generation or so.
I'm not catholic, but any organization built on chrisitan principles shoudl have zero tolerance for its officials practicing homosexuality. Furthermore, because current society cannot provide enough qualified priests, they should allow priests to marry, as was the case in the early church.
anon:
ditto
see 10:12
CF
Street criminals prey on those closest to them whether they be black white hispanic or asian.
Ask the Asian merchants on Wilson Blvd in Arlington who they fear most.
Black street criminals or the Asian gangsters who assault and shake them down regularly?
Your problem (outside of intense self-hatred and psychological disfunction) is that you have placed a black face on American crime and you know what that makes you, right?
laa:
ditto
nambla is a disgrace
but east indian and many native african cultures also embrace man boy rape as "love"
and
strip clubs/sex rings/pimps etc are far more rampant as they abuse girls even without a similarly formal bogus org
M. Rigmaiden said...
"BTW, isn't that called treason in a time of war to incite uprisings against the government?"-Granny"
What about the democrats, who spent years undermining the Bush administration in order to engineer defeat in Iraq? A party that place defeat of its political opponents above victory for its country? Our president poses with pictures with the leaders of Code Pink, an organization that (besides donating to his campaign) provided financial assistance to our enemies. Is he a traitor?
anyone in any org who protests lying assed hobama and this evil amerikkkan empire is cool by me!!!
ALL of 'em!!!
If Nambla was against Obama you would embrace them too. You lying hypocrite cow.
tee hee
assnon:
i would never embrace nambla
i despise them almost as much as i despise u!!!
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another cold hard truth that gaybashers ignore is that most parents are NOT pedophiles...but they are the PRIMARY danger to their own children via physical beatings and neglect!!!
most kids are safer with a priest than their own parents who are increasingly beating/starving them to death!!!
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/29/2010-03-29_untitled__2baby29m.html
dwhwb:
now u r laughing at your own assnon posts???
that moves u beyond your dated psycho in stereo status to a psycho with tourette's syndrome in stereo...dyam darkie!!!
Never saw or heard of any sexual abuse from nuns, priests or seminarians.
You were working there bro, YOU WERE PROBABLY DOING THE FUCKING THE LITTLE BOYS.
AB, stop projecting.
You're the one who with anon alter ego.
Like the one right above me.
Sad.
"about the boy scouts--surprised you don't know about this, hathor and RM:
they've take a big page from the catholics--who deserve every WORD of criticism!"
Maria, the fact that you cited the article on the Boys Scouts showed that abuse can occur anywhere and certainly isn't limited to the Catholic Church. And? It doesn't change my mind that my boy will be a Boy Scout one day.
I am not criticizing the Church's mission or doctrine just criticizing Ratzinger's cover up of the crimes against these boys. I also wondering why homosexual pedophiles cluster in that institution in particular. I don't hear so much about these things in Anglican or Episcopal churches...
As to not having any learning curve, I dunno what to say. You don't have to be rude to engage someone in meaningful discourse.
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Thanks for your commentary LAAudiobooks. I feel you about the nervousness in being a woman and the concern over sexual assault. I am bothered that the Virgin Islands could be a possible haven for pedophiles. That is disturbing. I know that in Thailand, Denmark and other places in the world there is child sex tourism and when I hear those stories, I get mild panic attacks.
I hope and pray that you are NEVER EVER EVER victimized in that way. I would never wish that upon my worst enemy! The after affects are life long. This is why as a society, we ought to REAAAAAALLLLY strongly punish child harmers!
dwhwb:
when will all you assnon posting morons figure our that you are too ignorant to even mask your cowardly madness????
why would i ever post as anon????
i never have and never allow assnons to post at any of my own sites!!
i need no imaginary help slaying u???
i NEVER post as anon!!!
maria:
ditto
this is why i do not waste time tryng to educating homohating fools like mr octaloon
it is far more expedient to slur them back/correct their bs
and keep it moving
silence = consent
and teaching a bigoted holy moron = wasted efforts!
dwhwb:
do all u assnons see the irony in posting as invisible alter egos and simultaneously daring to call anyone a hypcocrite herein???
even my arch enemies like sean hannity will tell you that i have never been anything but brutally honest and never a hypocrite
my legendary life is proof of my courage...ie like being an out gay celeb in ruby red states for decades...
so
i am never a coward either...yet another reason i never post as anon!!!
I swear, I think the dog in that pic is wearing camouflage.
Rambo Rover.
mjbots
wake up!!!
http://newsone.com/entertainment/associated-press/skin-whitening-creams-found-in-michael-jacksons-home/
also see:
sammy sosa
lil kim
etc
[quote]Your problem (outside of intense self-hatred and psychological disfunction) is that you have placed a black face on American crime and you know what that makes you, right?[/quote]
WhiteBowieSteve:
If I BELIEVE that "Black is the face of crime" then I NEED TO GO AND LOCK UP MY OWN SON right after he gets from school.
For you, per your fraudulent consciousness, when I show BLACK VICTIMS of crime - you have a stronger inclination to defend the BLACK CRIMINALS.
For you (and Filled Negro) the best possible scenario is a BLACK VICTIM and a WHITE ASSAILANT. This allows you to spount propaganda without concern about your focus being an accurate model of the real threats facing Black folks.
At the same time there is NO SUCH THING as being called "Too Focused on the White threat"; "Too focused upon Police abuse".
The ONLY threat that a person faces from you is being called a "Self Hater" for focusing upon the most frequent assailant of Black people, turning them into victims.
AB:
I was watching Farrahkan over the weekend. He was DEFENDING Michael Jackson as a Black man who needed to be taken out because he had too much POWER over people of all races.
Farrahkan mentioned NOTHING about Jackson's physical disassocation with his Blackness.
Just like UpTomSteve - he is able to see a number of differnet VIOLATIONS of consciousness and cherry pick the one's that allow him to retain his indictments against his enemies.
Apparently these militias guys were planning an assault on some police funeral. We finally found something that can bring together right wing nuts and inner city gang bangers: hatred of the po-po. Who would have guessed?
ditto cf:
it is shameless how most blacks adore people who GLARINGLY hate their own blackness as mj did...ditto for oj/"post-racial" hobama etc!!!....shame!!!
mj even bought lily white test tube babies to avoid one drop of his own black unbleached blood!
ps cf:
i do think the 3rd baby is mj closest adult "friend" miko brando's...just as i think his jewish doc "arnie" fathered the other 2...which is why he looks latino
but mj made sure NONE of his 3 kids had one iota of his own black blood...shame!!!
ps cf:
consistently for yrs my worst hate mail comes from oj & mj fans...but neither ever signed a swindleus bill like hobama/stole 2more prez terms as a mask for gwb etc...
i love that you keep blacks focused on their own racist hypocrisies as they do twist all of our priorities....and fatally so!!!
When I get to the last entries, sometimes I have to go back and read the intro blog again because I'm lost....
***grrrrr*****
These crazy people are out there! "Up in arms" about what? Many don't have a clue. No matter what there are always people that will follow. I'm glad they were slightly detained this time around.
But who's policing the next weirdos/ idiots/ extremists? Who knows!!!!
Someone once said our greatest 'terrorists' are within our own borders. I believe this. Too many people are unstable, unhappy, unloved, uneducated and full of hate.
Perhaps in the end whenever the few (or the many) slip by the bloodshed will not be great and no one I care about will be victimized by this insanity.
Hey Shabbaz! Look out! There's some white dude in camo sneaking up behind you!
Yes, it is sad when people post negative things about religion. Just like everything else, there are positive practitioners of religion just as there are the negative practitioners. I grew up in Oakland before moving to Modesto, CA. I never heard our pastor gay bash and in fact, our church was one of the first in the NATION to have an AIDS ministry and low cost housing for AIDS patients. There are quite a few churches throughout California and in the country that don't preach intolerance or hatred towards homosexuals; they only teach the Word which is that God loves us imperfect humans.
The church of my childhood has a serious commitment to those in unfortunate situations. Recently the medical chair of the AIDS ministry, Dr. Robert Scott passed away. He was a homosexual medical doctor who dedicated his life to the great works, was well known in Oakland and then set up a ministry in Zimbabwe. The page is here.
In all the years I was in church I never ever ever heard anyone demean or degrade him for being homosexual. It is easy to cast aspersions against those who have religious beliefs that run counter to the mainstream's PC culture. However, the church as an institution has always been the MOST charitable. Many programs that have helped humanity evolve towards the better come from churches and or religious institutions.
CF
"For you, per your fraudulent consciousness, when I show BLACK VICTIMS of crime - you have a stronger inclination to defend the BLACK CRIMINALS."
Produce one quote from me where I defended criminals and I'll leave this board forever.
If you can't then you leave.
TAKE THE DEAL TOM!!!!
why is "sad" to have people "post negative things" religion?
are you not getting what it is that's the source of the "negative" comment?
it's not that the hymns are bad, the pews uncomfortable...no...
and in general, why are people not allowed to have opinions? religion is a controversial thing. should pedophilia and cover-ups be tolerated? should we spin them in some positive way?
these are horrible, horrible things. do you not believe the accusers? are you aware that some of these "priests" have been sentenced to prison for life and been beaten and killed when there?
it's not like saying, gee, it's so sad that people diss math. or plants.
organized religion is not a benign force in society.
"it is shameless how most blacks adore people who GLARINGLY hate their own blackness as mj did...ditto for oj/"post-racial" hobama etc!!!....shame!!!":
This the same internet wacko who refers to her fellow blacks as "darkies" and "feces colored".
Who happens to be black as the ace of spades herself!!!!!
AB, you and CF deserve each other.
Ike and Tina of the Tomosphere.
I read the indictment... it's on line if anyone cares to read it...
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/0329stone.pdf
The saddest thing about this is these fools actually believe that by killing a cop, and then blowing up other cops at the funeral, that they would be initiating a war against the government that others would then join with them.....
This act would have the exact opposite affect... and while they may have a few pipe bombs and heavy artillery, they are no match for the firepower of the local, state police and US military, all of whom they think they would be engaging.....Seriously idiotic!
America must be Colonial Christian Republic only for the followers of Jesus,that is apparently the goal of this particular militia.Is it just me or does that concept sound familiar *cough* Islamic fundamentalist *cough*.
My mind is kind a fuzzy must be this bad cough, isnt there another religious armed group that has a somewhat similar goal *cough* Al Qaeda *cough*. Wow I am drawing a total blank.
To be honest I find "Christ Cultism" (Christianity to the cultists) particularly confusing.It claims to be monotheistic religion. Yet when you meet one of the cultist they ask:
"Do you accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour"
"huh... don't you mean God as my lord and savior"
"well Jesus IS GOD"
"Ok... so all the time he was talking to God in the bible he was really talking to himself...isn't that kind of schizo"
"well uummm"
SMH Damned retarded christ cultist blasphemers.
NYTimes columnist Maureen Dowd has an insightful column on Ratzinger and the priest sex abuse scandal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/opinion/28dowd.html
I have a college acquaintance who is now president of SNAP -- Surviors Network of Those Abused by Priests,www.snapnetwork.org/.
He contends that the attitude towards this whole sorry affair comes out of 2,000 years of hubris and arrogance. This is why they look askance at people who question their doings.
But it is still puzzling. A priest who falls in love with a woman and wishes to marry cannot continue being a priest.
However, pedophile priests are protected and moved around the country like a pieces on a chessboard--and then set loose on yet more children.
I think a sea change in the way the Church operates is the only way to resolve this issue--sweep out the bums and turn them over to authorities, allow priests to marry and have nuns occupy higher positions in the Church, including--as Dowd contends--the papacy.
But that is not likely to be the case and unfortunately, the Church's arrogance will continue to defame and shame the decent priests among its ranks and endanger more children.
I was fortunate enough to be the only black....besides my siblings...the priests were too racist... and we were too black :)
Automatic pass on being molested/raped/physically abused/emotionally abused etc.<<
Not so fast, Agape. :-) It's fortunate you nor your siblings were molested. But there are plenty of black kids, Hispanic and other nonwhites who were molested by priests. Minority kids--especially those in needy communities--posed/pose as excellent prey for priests who wish to abuse their position in the community.
Maria, the comment was directed at the commenters here who constantly bash religion and makes comments about me because I come from a Christian background. Clearly you didn't read anything I wrote because if you did you'd see that I utterly despise the abuse and the abusers that have covered up and harmed these children. Everyone can have an opinion that is what makes life interesting. The problem is that if people are constantly making declarations and insults and generalizations.
You say organized religion is not a benign force in our society but nothing really is benign. Nor would I argue that organized religion is supposed to be benign. Martin Luther King Jr. authored many a fiery speech on civil rights with Christianity as justification for his ire. Religion produces charities. Religion produces people who dedicate their lives to helping others. Religion allows people to acknowledge something greater than ourselves and allows people to come closer together; at its best. At its worst, religion can be destructive. But don't try to front like it is all bad.
It was religious attitudes that formed the abolitionist movements of the last century. Many Quakers and other Christians put their lives on the line to act according to the true Christian mandate of being kind to our neighbors.
dwhwb:
the great thing about ignorant transparent fools like you is that i can always count on you to expose your own ignorant foolishness ie;
"Who happens to be black as the ace of spades herself!!!!!"
only feces colored darkies like you would describe my skin tone as such ONLY because it is ndeed THAT much blacker than the piss colored octaroons that euro niggers like excuslively covet...
thanks for the backhanded compliment though because nothing is as sexy to me as ebony black skin...i have african friends who have a purple hue in the sunlight and that makes me swoon!!!...
no uncle tom is more prorotypical than elitist colorist "redbone" addicted tar baby sambo clowns like you!!!!
_____
cf:
i am honored to be your fan herein
as
u slay dwhwb and his fellow uncle tom niggers worse than anyone on this blog daily...kudos!!!
maria:
why is it ONLY the most rabid disgraces to god and religion like mroctalOon and dicedicicy who dare to wonder why people are repulsed by their blasphemy?????
ONLY when they stop being the MOST visible buybull toting homohating fools will any noble christians have a chance to reclaim the very religion they they DOMINATE & DESECRATE!!!!
From the Awake! magazine 4/22/1970 pp. 16-17
Should Priests Be Free to Marry?
Where Did It Originate?
Some people feel that celibacy must have originated with Jesus Christ or his apostles. So they are surprised to read statements such as that of former Pope John XXIII, who said:
“Ecclesiastical celibacy is not a dogma. The Scriptures do not impose it. It is even easy to effect a change. I take a pen, I sign a decree and, the next day, priests who wish to may get married. But I cannot.”
Why not? One of several reasons is that it is such a deep-rooted Church tradition. The first Church council forbidding marriage for the higher clergy was held at Elvira, Spain, in the fourth century. Over the centuries, other decrees reinforced this. Then, during the period of the Protestant Reformation of the sixteenth century, the Council of Trent passed legislation enforcing celibacy. It has remained much the same up to the present time.
Thus, celibacy has been acquired by tradition. As former high-ranking Catholic theologian Charles Davis said:
“The taboo was not Christian in origin; it is a very ancient one in the history of religion. Its introduction into Christianity was part of the general shift toward paganism . . .
“The insistence upon celibacy was reinforced in the Middle Ages by concern to keep Church property from passing under secular control.”
No, neither Jesus nor his apostles required celibacy among God’s servants. While they showed that a single person would have more freedom to serve God, they did not lay down a law of celibacy.—Matt. 19:11, 12; 1 Cor. 7:32-38.
God’s own Word, the Bible, according to the Catholic Douay version says: “It behoveth therefore a bishop to be blameless, the husband of one wife . . . One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all chastity.” It also says: “Let deacons be the husbands of one wife: who rule well their children, and their own houses.” (1 Tim. 3:2-4, 12) So the doctrine of priestly celibacy does not originate with God, for his own Word clearly shows that his ministers are free to marry.
From where, then, do such doctrines that go contrary to God’s will originate? God’s own Word answers: “Now the Spirit expressly says that in after times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies hypocritically, and having their conscience branded. They will forbid marriage.”—1 Tim. 4:1-3, Catholic Confraternity.
It is no wonder, then, that there is such confusion in the Catholic Church on this matter. And that confusion will likely continue, for German theologian Hans Kung said: “There will be no peace in the Catholic Church until such time as celibacy has again become a matter for individual choice, as it originally was.”
mroctaloon:
your generic hypocrisy is even more rabid than your hommohating...
ie
why have YOU never exclusively praised priests who are not pedophiles???
or millions of gays who are SUPERB parents and SUPERIOR christians????
what???
practice what u spew shrew!!!!
There will always be fanatics. There are people that follow the 'rules' and there are people that break them at will.
But when a religious organization embraces and refuses to investigate and/or prosecute child molesters it just makes it worse.
When people hide under the cloak of religion to spew hatred and initiate violence against another they are weak and hypocritical.
I don't need a formalized religion to treat others as I desire to be treated; to be honest or to be kind and tolerant.
UptownCharlieBrown:
The point is you are blind to the real problems of today. A culture of broken families, anti-intellectualism, and violence is ignored in favor of blaming some powerless cracker who couldn't oppress anyone if he wanted too.
You are all too eager to be manipulated by a media who feeds you whitebogeyman stories about goofballs running around in the Michigan woods and fake stories about iconic civil rights leaders being called "nigger" and being spit on.
The dems already are sending out fundraising letters touting these hoaxes as a need for more money. They just shoved through a healthcare bill that in no uncertain terms just hastened the day the country goes broke. Now they need to distract you by asserting that the only people who could have a problem with this are racist, ignorant hillbillies with a predilection for violence.
And you fall for it. Every time. Just like Lucy and her football.
mroctaloon:
there is no qualifier in this commandment:
"love thy neighbor"!!!!
only lying biblically illiterate holy haters like you and dicedyicyicy dare to amend it by adding:
"except those who are gay/or 2 wf lesbian kids who want to attend a prom/gay kids you blame for het kids who are pregnant" etc...
no one is LESS kind to homo "neighbors" than holy homohating buybull toting foolish evil chirch niggersJUST LIKE YOU!!!!
anon:
ditto!!!
dwhwb and his lobotomized black racist ilk are the reason hobama was selected as the ideal hoax...they are STILL hypnotized by his blackish skin rather than his HORRID green agendas!!!
shame!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1bb30ac860f.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-sheeple-cheer-police-violation-of-free-speech.html
http://www.obamadeception.net/
and just for the record...the country has been in 'debt' and 'broke' for decades... The Health Care Reform Bill will not be the start or the finish of that great infinite hole.
farman:
preach!!!
every religion was created by a human man...NOT god!
and most were as evil as octaloon!
even the concept of heaven is a myth that predates biblical lore!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-03-28/how-the-jews-invented-heaven/?cid=topic:mainpromo1
Wonder how much coverage this story will get:
A Philadelphia Muslim man was charged today with threatening to kill GOP Whip Eric Cantor and his family.
Today, a two-count complaint and warrant was filed charging Norman Leboon with threatening to kill United States Congressman Eric Cantor and his family, and threatening to kill Congressman Eric Cantor, who is an official of the United States, announced United States Attorney Michael L. Levy and FBI Special Agent in Charge Jan Fedarcyk. As set forth in the affidavit to the complaint and warrant, in or about late March, 2010, Leboon created and then transmitted a YouTube video to Google over the internet, in which he threatened to kill Congressman Cantor and his family. No harm came to the Congressman or his family as a result of Leboon’s threats.
According to the affidavit, Leboon allegedly said in the video: “Remember Eric . . . our judgment time, the final Yom Kippur has been given. You are a liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy [expletive] pig. You’re an abomination. You receive my bullets in your office. Remember they will be placed in your heads. You and your children are Lucifer’s abominations.”
Leboon just so happens to be a Barack Obama donor and , obviously, a big fan of universal healthcare. Should we now all jump to the conclusion that all proponents of the healthcare bill are homicidal ant-semites?
cinco:
obamacare WILL worsen all
viruses are ancient too...but that did nothng to lessen the impact of aids/ebola...
obamcare will be the ebola of all financial hoaxes to date...his swindleus bs included
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/obamacare-ominous-obfuscation.html?_c=feed-atom
Cinco de mayonaise:
"and just for the record...the country has been in 'debt' and 'broke' for decades... The Health Care Reform Bill will not be the start or the finish of that great infinite hole."
The "hole" is surely not infinite, and you cannot believe that this bill doesn't get us to the bottom all that faster. And always remember the First Law of Holes: When you find yourself in one, stop digging.
Cinco, of course you don't need an organized religion to teach you right from wrong. I've argued before that knowing right from wrong might be be innate. However, when religion is practiced according to the ideals in many of its texts, it can be uplifting for people.
As to the anonymous commenter, I concur. It truly is a headfake that we sit here insulting each other simply for disagreeing with politics. That is what the evil one wants us to do. The evil one wants us to become so ideologically driven that we lose the forest for the trees and begin to hate one another. From some of the comments directed towards me and others, it is clear that the devil is happy right about now because he's managed to sow seeds of chaos and distrust among us, who come here because we care about the plight of Black folk and of our country and planet for that matter.
It's a damned shame when expressing personal opinions is met with such vitriol, especially when the powers that be orchestrated it so that we could not unify. Seems like we fall for what we fight against, more often than not.
anon:
the scary thing is:
obama nazis will love obama even when his green holes on earth match the black hole in the cosmos
truly!
just as hitler still had fans while gassing jews/homos/german traitors/blacks!
http://www.amazon.com/Germanys-Black-Holocaust-1890-1945-Untold/dp/0963129341/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269887164&sr=8-5
http://www.amazon.com/Men-Pink-Triangle-Life-Death/dp/1593501781/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269887198&sr=1-1
mroctaloon:
your own hypocrisy has you perpetually confused herein
no...the damned shame is this:
evil fools like you want gays to be silent about the evil bs you say in the name of your bogus man made religion as you speak for OUR god...
and when you dare to demand that such religious evil become evil unafir PUBLIC "REGIONAL" & NATIONAL LAWS!!!
THAT is truly evil!!!
I wonder how much coverage this story will get:
A Philadelphia Muslim man was charged today with threatening to kill GOP Whip Eric Cantor and his family.
A two-count complaint and warrant was filed charging Norman Leboon with threatening to kill United States Congressman Eric Cantor and his family. Leboon created and then transmitted a YouTube video to Google over the internet, in which he threatened to kill Congressman Cantor and his family.
Leboon allegedly said in the video: “Remember Eric . . . our judgment time, the final Yom Kippur has been given. You are a liar, you’re a Lucifer, you’re a pig, a greedy [expletive] pig. You’re an abomination. You receive my bullets in your office. Remember they will be placed in your heads. You and your children are Lucifer’s abominations.”
Leboon just so happens to be a Barack Obama donor and is obviously a big fan of universal healthcare.
Should we all now jump to the conclusion that all proponents of the healthcare bill are homicidal anti-semites? Don't you see how this debate has been manipulated?
mr octaloon:
ps:
and when you dare to demand that such religious evil become evil UNFAIR PUBLIC "REGIONAL" & NATIONAL LAWS!!!
as most evil cowards, you have no problem with evil as long as you SOLELY inflict it!
that will NEVER EVER be so with me here!!!
mroctaloon:
"unify"????
are u serous????
disunity is your divine mission for EVERYONE who is gay...even disunity from GOD herself!!!
jesus wants u 2 keep it real you evil holy shrew!!!
"no one is LESS kind to homo "neighbors" than holy homohating buybull toting foolish evil chirch niggersJUST LIKE YOU!!!!"-Alicia Banks
Alicia, I will give you the attention you so desperately seek, but just this once okay? See the links I posted above. There are quite a few homosexual friendly churches out there who don't cast aspersions against people in your lifestyle.
My family and I attended Allen Temple Baptist Church in Oakland, CA and like I said above they were one of the first churches in the NATION to have an AIDS ministry. The majority of people they minister to contracted AIDS via a street lifestyle or via homosexual contact. Never once has anyone from my church talked mess about homosexuals nor AIDS patients. They are not part of the ex gay movement and do not preach non inclusion at all. They are pro inclusion and diversity.
Your judgmental attitude has you so tied up in knots that you cannot even see when an organization could be beneficial to you or others with your lifestyle. And that is a damned shame.
You started calling me a homo hater and octoloon and all that yet claim to be proud of your Black heritage. All of your ranting insults just make you look pitiful and angry and you really could use the love of a good church home with people that care about you just for showing up. Clearly you have lots of issues and I've realized that it isn't worth it to interact with you anymore because you are so sick and waiting to demean someone. With that in mind, I really WILL pray for you to get some peace of mind and for God to rid you of the hatred you so obviously harbor towards those who are different than you.
sorry for the double post on the Cantor story. there is a huge delay in things showing up.
RM said:
Religion produces charities. Religion produces people who dedicate their lives to helping others. Religion allows people to acknowledge something greater than ourselves and allows people to come closer together; at its best.
i don't disagree that caring and compassionate PEOPLE may do all of the above, but not RELIGION.
people don't have to belong to an organized religion to be good people who serve one another. that's a human virtue--not a religious virtue.
when you say you are christian does that imply the jewish people do no good? i've always bristled at that exclusionary arrogance.
if a man or a woman grew up with no religion, would they be hateful, bigoted, self-centered jerks? no. we all have an innate goodness and can act with virtue toward one another.
i would argue that organized religion, particularly catholicism, has done more to enslave and impoverish the globe's less fortunate citizens while ruining the planet with its stand against birth control.
what's the main cause of global warming/climate change: TOO MANY PEOPLE.
mroctaloon:
spare me your schizo theatrics
u want to impress me???
cc the gaybashing bs u ROUTINELY post to this blog to said church utopias!!!!
...ie the bs you posted about rape and gay priests TODAY will suffice!
mroctaloon:
tucc is a church i link and adore
and
mcc/unitarian/quaker/episcoplian sects are renowned for their inclusion of all humans including gays
BUT WTF DO ANY OF THEM HAVE TO DO WITH THE HOMOHATING BS YOU & DICEDICYICY POST DAILY???
WHAT???WHEN???HOW????WHO????
I DARE YOU TO SHOW YOUR OWN ANGELIC PASTOR THE DEMONIC HOMOHATING BS YOU POST TO THIS BLOG DAILY!!!!
i could talk about the lottery all day...but that will never make me a billionaire bitch!
A REAL CHRISTIAN WOULD NOT EVADE QUESTIONS ABOUT SCHOOL DESEG 4EVER AS YOU DO EITHER!!!!
maria:
ditto
real christians NEVER hate and lie like mroctaloon!!!
they do not go around claiming to be "neutral" while flagrantly gaybashing
they do not equate all gays with incest/rape/pedophilia
they do not pretend that racial hatred is the only valid hatred in american law
they do not do ads for their angelic churches etc
they do not have to!!!
their divinity shows in their deeds JUST as clealry as the demonic mroctaloon's glaring evils show in hers!!!
OK Maria, this is where we disagree. Yes I don't believe that a person needs religion to tell them what is good or bad as I said above, but it can be a unifying force when its practitioners are on the up and up.
I don't believe in the global warming philosophy that blames too many people for the state of our planet; I think that is totally wrong and misguided and causes people to be viewed as parasites. The truth is that large corporations who lobby against environmentally friendly laws are committing more damage to the environment than a Catholic family with lots of children could ever do.
I cannot believe that you think the church has done humanity a disservice due to their stance on birth control but it takes all types...
But what bothers me a lot is that you read into my comments things that aren't even there. There is no way at all that I've asserted that religion is needed for people to live decent or moral lives at all! Some of my dearest friends are not religiously oriented yet spend their professional lives doing good works nonetheless.
Another thing that bothers me is that in the USA we've created an artificial divide between Christians of different denominations and people who aren't Christian but religious.
I am an avid pro lifer and the emphasis on WASPness bothers me because it doesn't count the Hindis, the Buddhists, the animists, pagans and atheists/agnostics who are also pro life. So on a national level, when it comes to sensitive topics, it needn't be only a Protestant Christian's perspective on religion that we should consider; there are many others...
"The point is you are blind to the real problems of today. A culture of broken families, anti-intellectualism, and violence is ignored in favor of blaming some powerless cracker who couldn't oppress anyone if he wanted too."
And what "culture" might that be Jethro?
Especially in light of the fact that I live in a black community with two parent households, family incomes well into the six figures, at least one college grad in most households, no street violence and the only white folks we usually see are the ones who check the meters.
No assnon, it's clowns like you who have to obsess with the so-called "problems of black folks" in order to rationalize the failure and meaninglessness of your own life.
"Anti-Intellectualism"???
You couldn't reason your way through a french door.
mroctaloon:
ps you lying messy bitch:
aids is not a gay disease
ie
does your church ALSO help the droves of young black het females infected by aids even MORE than gays who instantly and heroically beat aids long before you church niggers did one sole thing????
i will never have any peace as long as gaybashing evil fake lyiing church niggers like you keep speaking for god and writing the hate u speak into law...
because u church niggers STILL IMPLY it is a gay disease as u did no expertly above, aids programs are now being DEFUNDED erased nationwide!!!
i will die defying you evil shrews until i breathe my last breath
god made me a soldier and jesus told me to!!!!
http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2010/03/south-carolina-house-votes-to-cut-all-hivaids-funding.html
http://www.poz.com/articles/brothers_and_sisters_2081_13071.shtml
dwhwb:
you are a selfish blind bastard
so what if YOU live there...???
MOST blacks do not???
eat your cookie and wake up!!!
mroctaloon:
you church niggers are late and still MISINFORMED and sending out DISINFO re aids!!!
http://www.amazon.com/Not-My-Family-American-Community/dp/1932841245/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269889171&sr=1-1
Most blacks don't live in the ghetto either.....Florida Evans!!!!
dwhwb:
i bet i look just like her clone you demented darkie!
most blacks and whites are poor in this country...and getting poorer each day via that millionaire ghost penned author hobama!!!
and only nouveau nigger rich niggers like you deny that!!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/obama-drama-the-poor-are-getting-poorer-the-middle-class-becomes-the-new-poor.html
cf:
seen this?
the killers were het
so mroctaloon and her ilk will ignore it
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/26/new.jersey.cold.case/index.html?hpt=C1
Anonymous said...
Wonder how much coverage this story will get:
A Philadelphia Muslim man was charged today with threatening to kill GOP Whip Eric Cantor and his family.
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You can bet your anonymous ass that they will run this story to the hilt, local and MSM. You didn't hear too much more about Cantor lying about the bullet that fell out the air and hit his, ahem, window did you? I live in this "old money" town called Richmond VA, so I'm sure they'll run this story like a broke mule on a hot Sunday. But their won't be a race riot here - trust me because everyone is armed to the teeth, black & white, young & old, rich & poor, etc. thanks to the new gun laws recently passed..lol
The Aids patients are treated with dignity and respect by the AIDS ministry no matter how they contracted the disease. When Allen Temple Baptist Church started the AIDS ministry it was statistically still a gay disease. Now the stats show that Blacks in the South who are heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual are contracting the disease at an alarming rate. But it doesn't take away the fact that AIDS used to be called GRID for a reason.
hey octaloon:
u evil ignorant wench....more holy disinfo!!!
based on your stats, why do you homohating church niggers deny that lesbians are god's chosen people????????
you silly bitch...it was called GRID for the same reason that africans were called green mockey rapists....because SOME GAYBASHING EVIL GENOCIDAL CLONE OF YOU MADE THAT BS UP!!!
after they created aids at ft detrick md and injected into gay men as hepatitis b shots in major urban areas
see the original WHO ads that prove it here you moron:
http://www.amazon.com/Behold-Pale-Horse-William-Cooper/dp/0929385225/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269889953&sr=1-1-spell
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/posts/2010/03/
Anon 2:19... to answer your question... the story of Mr.Leboon threating Cantor is on the front page of every mainstream media outlet right now.. including Huffington Post, NY Times, Fox news and the local Philadelphia papers... And, I read through them carefully because I was wondering where you got that he was muslim... nowhere does anyone say he was muslim.... and this is from FOX NEWS: According to the complaint, Leboon told the FBI that he made the threatening video, which has been taken down, using the camera on his cell phone. He told authorities he's made 2,000 videos threatening people. He said he made the video early last week, though it's unclear whether it had anything to do with the passage of the health care bill last Sunday.
Nowhere can I find any documentation of muslim, Obama supporter or supporter of health care reform. I was able to read over and over that he has made anti-semtic, hateful diatribes...
He is in the definite loony fringe... but he doesn't fit your analogy... try again.
mroctaloon:
see more old lies about aids that church niggers like u still love to spread in the name of your holy work you homohating mf:
http://www.originofaids.com/articles/early.htm
cc this to your church sheeple
MR, when i pose a question that might reflect a natural follow-on to something you said, that doesn't mean i said you said it.
it means, carry your point further if you'd like.
i'm speaking of when i asked what would people be like if they grew up with no religion.
UptightBrown sputtered:
"And what "culture" might that be Jethro?
Especially in light of the fact that I live in a black community with two parent households, family incomes well into the six figures, at least one college grad in most households, no street violence and the only white folks we usually see are the ones who check the meters."
Well good for you Remus! That must be the post-racial society we've been waiting for, where the only white people you ever see are taking out your trash or some such. Guess that's where you get your powerful insights from. I hope your meter man doesn't get out of line - he's representing for all of us. It's great things are so wonderful in Mr. Uptown's neighborhood (gated?), with the only trouble being in far away places like Michigan. Well, I gotta go - lot's of meters to read!
maria:
i admire your patience with that passive aggresive hateful lying bitch mroctaloon
she knows exactly what u meant...she is just evading your sanity as a always
she and that feces colored darkie uncle tom redbone chasing coon boy dwhwb are the 2 dirtiest mfs on this blog
they never answer a single valid query and they never ever engage an honest debate ever!!!
jody: "Nowhere can I find any documentation of muslim, Obama supporter or supporter of health care reform. I was able to read over and over that he has made anti-semtic, hateful diatribes...
He is in the definite loony fringe... but he doesn't fit your analogy... try again."
Here's one: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2837736/norman_leboon_arrested_for_eric_cantor.html
And my point was about tarring every one on his side of the debate as a loon...
You are incorrect. The CDC first received its first cases of young usually healthy gay men with oral candidiasis and some other illnesses usually consistent with immune suppression. This occurred in 1981. There was an explosion of cases so much so that they thought it was a new type of gay 'cancer' then they termed it gay related immune deficiency GRID. I do not misstate the facts.
Maria, thanks for the elucidation. Sometimes things are not as clear when we write them down or it is easy to mistake someone's intentions behind the words.
mroctaloon:
only arrogant ignorant church niggers like you believe aids is not a man made disease but rather a plague from your bogus man made god because some equally ignorant illiterate pastortold u too...sheeple are so obediently ignorant!!!
aids was deliberately injected into gay men and africans as fake hepatitis b shots and smallpox vaccines respectively...
then all the GRID/green monkey bestiality myths etc were created as goofy myths to fit the genocidal madness and only gooofy evils mfs like you STILL believe it after decades of scientific PROOF of bio war....you brazenly buffoonish bitch!!!
you are walking proof that religion makes you stupid!!!!
cc this to your fake ignorant insincere sinner church sheeple
http://www.boydgraves.com/
mroctaloon:
if you knew 1/10 as much as you pretend to know
you would know that the 1st case of aids was documented about 35 years before 1991 you arrogant moron!!!!
even AMA journals OPENLY document a collective call for a "turbo cancer" DECADES before 1991 u pissy fool!!!!
"alicia banks said...
she and that feces colored darkie uncle tom redbone chasing coon boy dwhwb are the 2 dirtiest mfs on this blog
3:22 PM"
Damn. I guess I slipped to #3. I must be losing my touch.
Hey! AB! You big ugly dyke! Don't forget about me!
mroctaloon:
YOU FLAGRATLY IGNORE THE FACTS AND JUST MAKE UP BS THAT FITS YOUR BUYBULL AND YOUR CHURCH'S LIES!!!
aperpetualpervmoronoi:
wow
i did not know u could count to 3!
u stay as full of surprises as your toy doll does of air!
That's better. Thanks.
aperpetualfatassedlbrooi:
did i read that right?
when chronic masturbating morbidly obese rejects like u mention the number 3 they usually mean a plastic doll and two hamhockish hands = actually 1...nahmean?
I'm am sick of the Lesbian Jabba the Hut! It needs to get a life and stop trolling this blog! Enough is enough!
Alicia's fat ass should look in the mirror before she calls someone fat. What an ugly, fatassed, hypocritical shrew.
"It's great things are so wonderful in Mr. Uptown's neighborhood (gated?), with the only trouble being in far away places like Michigan."
It ain't just Michigan Jethro.
Anybody you know here?
http://gwinnettdailypost.mycapture.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=550873&CategoryID=3268
assnons are star wars geeks who are uglier than ANY of the masks used in the cast...and those masks
had higher IQS...dumbassnons!!!!
assnons are invisible fat slobs too fat to post their sloppy photos!!!
aassnons hate my fatbrain and fatter debate skills!!!
i hate fate assnons!!!
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Anonymous said...
Alicia's fat ass should look in the mirror before she calls someone fat. What an ugly, fatassed, hypocritical shrew."
You forgot "bug-eyed".
assnons wish they had a blog to police that is why they keep practicing in vain here!!!
assnons rule nothing and noone here!!!
poor powerless assnons!!!
For those interested in the topic of Field's post, the militia losers were charged this morning
"Six Michigan residents, along with two residents of Ohio and a resident of Indiana, were indicted by a federal grand jury in Detroit on charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials, and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence," according to the press release.
The Hutaree members allegedly "planned to kill an unidentified member of local law enforcement and then attack the law enforcement officers who gather in Michigan for the funeral."
The indictment continues: "According to the plan, the Hutaree would attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession with Improvised Explosive Devices with Explosively Formed Projectiles, which, according to the indictment, constitute weapons of mass destruction."
That attack, in turn, would spark a more widespread Harper's Ferry-style uprising against the government, according to the "general concept of operations" described in the indictment.
I think we are beyond the issue of freedom of expression here.
aperpetualcockroachoi:
u hate me because my sexy eyes cannot be replicated with those 2 marbles u smash all day
u pathetically obsessed envious lard assed letch!
Militias always show a spike in membership during Democratic administrations.
Make the Democrat black and you have an explosion.
"The Southern Poverty Law Centre, the US's most prominent civil rights group focused on hate organisations, said in a report that extremist "patriot" groups "came roaring back to life" last year as their number jumped nearly 250% to more than 500 with deepening ties to conservative mainstream politics."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/us-surge-rightwing-extremist-groups
UTS,
I can recommend David Neiwart's book, "The Eliminationists". He has been tracking the militia movement since the early '90s and I think he can offer real insights into the mindset of these people.
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alicia banks said...
aperpetualcockroachoi:
u hate me because my sexy eyes cannot be replicated with those 2 marbles u smash all day"
That's not true at all. As a matter of fact, I've never said I hated you. I've said I dislike you, but that's just because you're so freaking obnoxious. And fat. And a faggot. And ugly, both inside and out.
The SPLC makes its living by exaggerating the the prevalence of white racism directed against American minorities. You don't think the scaremongering stories of "militia" group during democratic administrations has anything to do with keeping the base on the plantation?
aperpetuallyjuveniledunceoi:
you never have posted an intelligent thing about any debate fn posted?
do u dislike him too?
surely u would not GROSSLY dumb down his blog so if u like him???
your DUAL internal ugliness shines herein daily!!!
&
i do hate you.
with a passion deeper than the orifices on your toy doll.
because u r fat and sloppy troll.
and a eunuch physically and intellectually.
and u r too illiterate to know the meaning of "faggot"...classic!
and are a dl bro.
and are such a freaking idiot!
and u r so gd ugly that you cannot post your ugly fat photo u cowardly mf!
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