Monday, March 29, 2010

Norman and friends.



Tonight I would like to show the wingnuts that they are wrong about me for thinking that I would never feature a kook from the left. Well, I have found one, and he is my home boy no less.

Yes my friends, Norman Laboon (What a name. No wonder the guy is nuts.) probably should go to jail for allegedly threatening to kill minority whip, Eric Cantor. Still, I want my wingnut friends to understand something; Norman Laboon, is, in fact, certifiable. His antenna doesn't quite pick up all the channels.

"He was mandated by the Federal Magistrate to undergo a mental health evaluation. He reportedly told arresting FBI agents that he was the "Son of the God of Enoch". Leboon was a frequent poster to Youtube, where his rambling videos could be watched. During one such video he recorded with a cell phone video camera, Leboon, said that Congressman Cantor would receive his bullets in his office in his head". He also called the congressman a pig and referred to him as "pure evil".

Easy there Norman, I am no fan of the GOP myself, but this is a bit much. Just stay on your meds there big fellow. Now if my wingnut friends are willing to say that their extremist all have mental problems as well, we might be able to find some common ground. But somehow I am guessing that they won't. I bet that they all still think that people like Beck, Rush, Sarah, and the entire crew over at Radio Rwanda are sane.

So unfortunately we are back to square one.

Anyway, let me leave you with what some wingnuts over at another website -let's just call them friends of Norman- are saying about the kid. I swear that we are all so misunderstood here in the fields.

"March 28, 2010 at 10:36 pm
There’s a blog by a black criminal defense attorney called “Field Negro”.His Sat the 27th entry talks about his visit to the County jail and the legacy of what is going on in the black community. There’s lots of bemoaning of what is going on in the black underclass, but they can’t seem to connect the dots that the crime, missing fathers, etc is ALL related back to the welfare dependency cycle.
So they have this whole never ending pity party about what ails their community, rooted in dependency, while celebrating the expansion of government entitlement programs, which will breed yet more dependency.
It boggles the mind.
http://field-negro.blogspot.com/ [at least he/she got the link right]

crystal Says: March 28, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Thanks for the link. I agree…it’s INSANE to not connect the dots, as you said.


emjem24 Says: March 29, 2010 at 4:25 am
I took a look at this blog and it’s a pretty crappy blog. More about passing the buck than taking responsibility for their own actions. It was sad to see.
Then there were the token “wingnut” references, militias are bad but we won’t talk about that gang problem in America stuff. Or, people got conned by former President Bush but nope, not us poor black Americans who’ve been pawned by the Dem establishment, including civil rights race baiters, for the past 40 years. Nope, not a problem at all.
This blog is another example of what the mindset is for most blacks, be they poor, middle class, or rich. Republicans bad, Dems good. Dems will keep us in the style of dependency in which we’re accustomed and those mean Repubs will take away everything and make us work. Wah!
How pathetic.


crystal Says: March 29, 2010 at 7:39 am
I saw that. the only truth he spoke was about the cycle of fatherless homes-crime-poverty, etc. Another example of educated blacks who are woefully ignorant of the truth. This is what saddens me so much. It’s a huge mountain.


YTZ4Me Says: March 29, 2010 at 10:13 am
Emjem:I never said it was a “good” blog ;), I just think it’s instructive to see what we’re up against. I also found it interesting that they screech about “tolerance” but refuse to consider anything outside of their rigidly held viewpoint.
It was also interesting to me that they are ALL terrified of the push to less federal government, and more states rights.
Very sad that over 150 years after the official end of slavery, they are all afraid of real freedom.Including the freedom to try and fail.
Lots of folks big on the “equal outcome” mantra over there.


emjem24 Says: March 29, 2010 at 2:56 pm
YTZ:
I had a funny feeling I wasn’t going to like this “blog.” :) After living in a black community in SE VA for 3 years, and the way they treat white people, this blog just reconfirms everything that has become increasingly apparent about many blacks:
That they don’t want to do anything to improve or tackle the problems in their community.
They want to blame everybody but themselves for what’s going on.
They tarnish black Republicans as sellouts and traitors because they want to break away from the dependency that Dems offer blacks.
Federal dependency is an entitlement that is strictly reserved for black people. Because blacks were slaves a long, long time ago, and didn’t have “equal” rights until 40 years ago that means they don’t have to rise to the challenge of opportunity in this country.
It just makes me so sad that people like this blog guy are so full of hate toward white and those who criticize blacks, but he can’t look at the blemishes in his own soul or that of his community."


"THEY" ?....... I think some of my black conservative friends might have found a new home. That's if they can tear themselves out of the Bondage Clubs long enough.

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Anonymous said...

"Federal dependency is an entitlement that is strictly reserved for black people."

Gee, I'm just getting ready to apply for Social Security. Guess that makes me black? Who knew? Mom would be SO surprised!

...yop

Gregory said...

Sounds like CF should visit Hillbuzz. He would be an instant celeb.

As for the Man of Steele, who would have guessed that the GOP would pick up a bar tab that approached $2k at a kinky Hollywood nightclub. That is almost worth FN (temporary) for getting the party of family values to pay for a party at Voyeur.

Dirty Red said...

Damn you mean to tell me that I am the first one here?

The comments you posted is just a prime example of how people see what they want to see. What blog did those people read? Where have you ever said anything about not taking responsibility for our problems? Since when have you mentioned anything about being entitled? People like the ones that left those comments behind the privacy of their keyboards, just like all the anon commentors that frequent here on the regular, are cowards. These are the same people that when fronted about their ignorance and hate always say, ' I am not racist. I have Black Friends.' But when they are around other cowards like them, their nuts swell. As long as there are people like this in this "god-fearing and christian" country that think like this, there will always be a Black and White problem. And they wonder why we act the way we do. If any race feels entitled in this "land of the free" it ain't us. Sure we have our problems. Problems that will not be solved by anybody but us, but feeling entitled? Come on Son. It is people like those assholes that sometimes make me ashamed to even call myself an American.

mellaneous said...

Field you stopped too soon there was some really wild stuff on that site check this conversation out;

"She stated the same … that all the $$ she had made while working, she put into a self-funded IRA for herself and into college funds for their kids, because they believe in being self-reliant. Both are decimated and worth only about 30% of their prior value, yet the financial aid people told her they didn’t for any assistance for their kids going to college. She is FURIOUS in the double standards and the policies against hardworking, middle income WHITE Americans. And she quit work and their income & standard of living went up as well, how she’s enjoying being home, everyone is happier, more relaxed, etc. She laughed when I said I was “going Galt” and stated that was EXACTLY her same philosophy.

Then, a guy BEHIND me in line chimed in with the same thing, how biased the progressive tax system is, and the whole gaming AGAINST middle class WHITE America. I guess our voices started getting louder and more vigorous, because the cashier (an older black lady) started looking alarmed.

I turned to her and apologized and said, “I’m sorry, we just really don’t like Obama and where his policies are taking the country”, and she said, “I can see that”.

Field I really don't get where they get this stuff about policies just aimed at "white middle class" people. You know they tey are always talking about black folks playing the victim and talking about race (cause we're experiencing racism) and having a chip on our shoulders.

But don't these folks sound paranoid and like they are playing the victim. And notice how there is no complaint about the market that ripped off her IRA.

shaking my head

mellaneous said...

And Field this guy Laboon has threatened everybody and has an anti-semitic streak. He is not a leftist he is disturbed. Its not the same thing. Bad example but see what you were trying to do.

Though I can see some shots coming on that one (lol) But real leftists are disturbed by the way the system leaves some folks out of the path to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Those folks at the RNC partying at these wild clubs now that's wild too. I can't hardly believe that Steele didn't think he wouldn't be discovered. Man is he crazy?

Anonymous said...

Mell: "He is not a leftist he is disturbed. Its not the same thing."

I disagree; being a leftist is a mental disorder!

Anonymous said...

Hey that's a Hillary site. Wasn't she the first black First Lady?

Farman said...

I'm thinking about not getting online anymore so that I will be ignorant of the shit that is about to hit the fan.

Farman said...

Oh and those fools commenting about how blacks are dependent on the government conveniently forget the fact that there are far more white dependent on the government.

Anonymous said...

Farman said...
"Oh and those fools commenting about how blacks are dependent on the government conveniently forget the fact that there are far more white dependent on the government."


Then why did Chairman Soetoro say that increasing entitlements would be better than reparations because they are the gift that keeps on giving, forever, and that this disproprtionately benefits people of a certain color?

field negro said...

And Field this guy Laboon has threatened everybody and has an anti-semitic streak. He is not a leftist he is disturbed. Its not the same thing. Bad example but see what you were trying to do."

Come on Mel, I am trying here. Hey, he threatened a GOP elected official, so I will give him to the left. :) I know it's a reach, but I am trying to be fair.


"Mell: "He is not a leftist he is disturbed. Its not the same thing."

I disagree; being a leftist is a mental disorder!"

I like that. A wingnut with a sense of humor.

"The comments you posted is just a prime example of how people see what they want to see. What blog did those people read? Where have you ever said anything about not taking responsibility for our problems? Since when have you mentioned anything about being entitled?"

Scary,huh? Dirty Red, now you see why grifters get rich in this country.

mellaneous said...

Hillbuzz:
"I also found it interesting that they screech about “tolerance” but refuse to consider anything outside of their rigidly held viewpoint.
It was also interesting to me that they are ALL terrified of the push to less federal government, and more states rights.
Very sad that over 150 years after the official end of slavery, they are all afraid of real freedom.Including the freedom to try and fail."

Field do you think they know the definition of "Irony." They complain about black folks not considering anything outside of their "rigidly held viewpoint "and in the very next sentences they go on to explain what they believe black folks think. And so from their "rigidly held viewpoint" "all"black folks are afraid of real freedom.


And not only that they ignore the very significant history of Jim Crow in the US because they really don't know what States Rights mean historically for black folks.

And they are so ignorant of history they don't know it was states rights that undermined the newly freed slaves and put returned them in a kind of neo-slavery. It was individual southern states that invoked black codes and took away the civil rights that blacks had gained right after the civil war (Reconstruction) up until the 1880's when just about all the Southern states passed different forms of black codes, which essentially made it legal to discriminate against blacks in employment, education and every other area.

It was a classic divide and rule. And black folks spent years mired in second class citizenship and they play off all that brutality, angst, hurt, degradation and violence with a shrug.

Everyone should read the history of Reconstruction. W E B Dubois has an excellent book on it, and Eric Foner's is equally good its called "Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution 1863-1877.
My guess is some folks don't know that we secured the right to vote not long after the Civil War and black folks put to use. In South Carolina their were two black Senators Hiram Revels and the other I think was Branche Bunche.


And to think some black folks want to play footsy with these folks.

Anonymous said...

Mell: These are white DEMOCRATS on the Hillbuzz site. You are playing footsie with them.

mellaneous said...

anon:
you couldn't resist I see.

But there is something as MLK said to not being able to adjust to injustice. He called being maladjusted.

field negro said...

BTW, to all my Jewish friends, Happy Passover. I will have my Manischwitz later.


"Mell: These are white DEMOCRATS on the Hillbuzz site. You are playing footsie with them."

So?

mellaneous said...

anon you must be new I am neither a Democrat or Republican. And yes I know how confusing that can be if you don't think outside the box or think only two dimensional.

I believe the Dems and the Repubs represent the interests of the ruling rich there is a bit of difference but their most important function is convincing regular folks that any of them represent our interests.

mellaneous said...

Hillbuzz commenter said:

"It is a sham. The whole purpose of forcing the insurance companies to cover ‘pre-existing conditions’ is to drive them out of business.
Listen to Rush Limbaugh. He’s had this figured out since forever."

Field this is sad. This is the direct result of the US educational system. It is why they are teaching to tests and don't teach critical thinking skills. Its why they water down and revise history.

So we have a populace who can't and won't think for itself and gets its info from Rush Limbaugh and the like.

Polluted and misinformed minds over time will do much more damage than any street criminals.

In fact they share some similarities one has an empty mind and the other has a mind full of misinformation.

Anonymous said...

While the wingnuts embrace the Hutaree...I doubt the Left will give Laboon a hug....maybe meds.

Mold

Jody said...

In my years of activism, I have encountered what most folks would agree were the "radical left." Most are self described anti-capitalist anarchists. I have been at demonstrations where they have engaged in property destruction... I have heard them chant, "No Justice, No Peace." But, in all of those years, I have never attended a meeting, or heard a conversation over beers, or read a screed by these folks that called for the murder, especially murder as a tool to cause an uprising...

And, unlike the far right, we on the left have for decades planned our actions by prepping people in nonviolent direct action. We have debated the merits of property destruction, not all of us agreeing one way or the other.... but when we planned on taking to the streets, it was agreed by all that we would do no harm to other human beings...

This guy, while he may have agreed with "the left".... was not a part of the left movement in the philly area.

He, from everything I have read, is a deeply disturbed, mentally ill person.... No doubt that attribute knows know political boundries...

Anonymous said...

We could just end the transfer of money from the Northeast to the South and West...see if they like losing Federal support.

Mold

mellaneous said...

Jody ditto that!!

I have organized and participated in dozens of marches and protests for various causes and have never encountered anyone that talked about killing folks.

Have had to work with anarchists to keep them from spoiling things on occassion when they wanted to try to throw rocks or provoke the cops, but nothing threatening.

cactusrose said...

WOW Field! Well you know what they say,"any publicity is better than no publicity" (or words to that effect)

Now you're blog is more famous!!! YAAAAAAAAAY!

Anonymous said...

Jody: You are either full of shit or an imbecile. I'd call Bill Ayers, President Obama's good buddy, mentor, and ghostwriter, a fairly prominent man of the left.

Larry Grathwohl was an undercover FBI agent who infiltrated The Weather Underground. In an interview in January 2009, Grathwohl stated that:

"The thing the most bone chilling thing Bill Ayers said to me was that after the revolution succeeded and the government was overthrown, they believed they would have to eliminate 25 million Americans who would not conform to the new order."


Sounds a little like TSC and his 20%, doesn't it? Sounds a lot like Stalin, Mao, Kim, castro, and whole other bunch of leftists, doesn't it? Leftism is built of violence, and all utopianism eventually drowns in blood.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I'll just be darn the GOP has has a patent on pedophiles but now their trying to get one on S&M too. Smh! Who would have guess it that Steele was kinky. Smh!

Sarah Palin hows that leather working out for you?

field negro said...

"Sounds a little like TSC and his 20%, doesn't it? Sounds a lot like Stalin, Mao, Kim, castro, and whole other bunch of leftists, doesn't it? Leftism is built of violence, and all utopianism eventually drowns in blood."

Yes, as opposed to those pacifist on the right like Pinochet,Mussolini,Bocchini, Lueger,and Franco. Yep, I hear ya.

Hathor said...

mellanous,
I once pointed out, that with the exception of some immigrants, Black folk can genuinely speak of living without liberty and freedom. By saying that, I was told I was playing the victim, although the site was always talking about the loss of freedom and their liberty being taken away. A third of my life, just a joke to them.

They have no incentive to learn history when revisionist history satisfies their needs. This is not coming from Limbaugh, Beck or Hannity; it comes out a think tank, racist web sites and Confederacy revisionist sites.

Trapped in SC said...

Their are terrorists and rabble rousers on both sides of the political spectrum.

But make no mistake, the radicals of the left are not the establishment figures of that party.

Republican elected officals who advocate succession are the mainstream of the Republican Party.

Wingnuts are the are the mainstream of the Republican Party.

Teabaggers are the mainstream of the Republican Party.

Nativists are the mainstream of the Republican Party.

Randers are the mainstream of the Republican Party.

One of the things which makes me angriest lately is the claim from the far right about some moral equivalency between the behavior of those protesting the passage of the health care bill and those on the left. Whenever a member of the right is asked about the behavior of the tea partiers he will say that what has happened on both sides is objectionable. It is not true. The tea party crowd holds up racist signs and signs advocating of violence at its rallies. They yell racial epithets at black congressmen and homophobic epithets at Barney Frank. A member of the far right even cut a gas line to the home of the brother of a congressman whose address was given over the web as the congressman's home. The far right is supposed to be the party that accepts responsibility. Why can't they say "yes, we are to blame", instead of trying to shift blame to the left as well? It is just another example of their hypocrisy.

Hathor said...

anon11:07,

You've had to go back 40 years, I think the previous incidents happened in the 30's.

What's doing today?

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field, you left off Ms. Pit Bull, can see Russia from her back yard,secessionist Queen,lying, conniving,deceiving,wannabee-Ma Barker Palin on that list.

Anonymous said...

"It is just another example of their hypocrisy."

That post is just another example of your stupidity.

mellaneous said...

Anon 11:40 why don't you add an identifier to the bottom of your comments. I noticed that on the right wing and conservative sites very few people respond without an identifier.

Could you do that since you clearly want to be part of the discussion. I just like to have an idea of who I am talking to so I don't confuse you with anyone else.

Now lets talk about blood spilled by class society. And you are right about Stalin and Mao and to a lesser extent Kim but Castro has not spilled any blood besides that which was spilled in their revolution.

So lets talk brutality and blood shed by class society lets just start with early capitalism and just a few holocausts

Slave trade/African holocaust - conservative estimates are 20 million Africans died on the voyage and after they arrived in the New World

indegenous indians- the would be capitalist killed so many that Historians can't agree on the numbers but it was in the millions

Africans Indian(India) Colonialist butchered millions of African and Asians in their quest for new markets and in their efforts to subjugate and make docile the indigenous populations.

Internecine struggles between capitalist powers WWI and WWII - in the struggle for capitalist hegemony tens and millions of human beings were killed

WWII Holocaust - 6 million Jews and another 2 million Gypsys, slavs, Russians, Poles and unionists, radicals, gays, disabled children and church men, and other dissenters of Nazi(capitalist) Germany.

SO LETS TALK BLOODSHED

You really don't want to go there. And just because folks dream of a better society they don't have to be talking Utopia and they don't have to wind up creating more problems than they tried to solve.

But what's so wrong with trying to come up with something in which everyone can get a piece of the pie.

Lets face it everyone seems to be dissatisfied with what we have now.

Anonymous said...

GrannyDroolingFromTheMouth said...
Field, you left off Ms. Pit Bull, can see Russia from her back yard...


That was Tina Fey, dumbass.

Anonymous said...

"Sarah Palin hows that leather working out for you?"

Thanks, Granny, ya got me choking on my coffee! :-)

...yop

mellaneous said...

Hathor good point but its just plain laziness. Whatever happened to just plain youthful curiosity.

Oh and Hathor and anybody interested you have got to read the posts on that website, it is insane! And these are young people and one young lady screamed and hollered and made fun of folks and then at the end talked about a conversation she had with a fellow student who bashed the Tea Party and she had the nerve to call him hateful.

You got to read that site I can not believe how narrow minded and totally misinformed these young people are.

I almost asked out loud where did they get these ideas, but I know where they got it from Savage, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Lou Dobbs etc the right wing websites. I mean some of it doesn't make any sense at all. And whats really crazy is how intolerant, they are while accusing other people of doing the same thing.

I mean if they have problems with the Obama admin okay, but why can't they see its almost the same thing carried over from the Bush admin. You would think that they would be upset with the system period. And they keep talking about someone is getting something for free. What and who the hell are they talking about?

Come Lord, Jesus

The folks in power have done their job well.

Karen come out come out wherever you are. Defend this crap.

agape2010 said...

@ FN:

Of course they are going t say this ONE man is a nutjob. ..apologies, I of all people, should know better...I meant... he is mentally unstable an probably needs medication to stabilize :)

On a happier note...bad publicity is better than no publicity at all! I told you that you were famous...

Can a sista get an autographed pic...what about some free tickets to something...how bout lemme hold 50$...hahahahaha! Like Kanye said..."I'm famous?!"

Peace.
~agape2010~

Trapped in SC said...

To Mr. Anonymous Poster,

I really wonder what makes some anonymous asshole like you launch into tirades versus posters like me, for some (usually imaginary) minor dispute.

What's all the personal animosity for?

Does my blunt reality irk you that much?

Too fucking bad. Suck it up.

I don't have to defend the details of what I post. They exist as I write them. What I do is correct assumptions and stupidity. Whatever details I provide here, there will always be some asshole from either true doubt (because they are too narrow-minded to fathom it) or true stupidity that thinks they are not true.

Laughing
My
Fucking
Ass
Off.

And I find that kind of funny considering this is an anonymous site and what would be the purpose of lying to people who I do not know? I get in trouble for my honesty in the real world not for subterfuge. I call it like it is without the slightest hint of trying to be diplomatic. And why should I be unless I am dealing with children? Is it really my problem if an adult can't process reality properly? Nope. So I won't coddle them because they cannot ascend to the proper level of a thinking adult.

Anonymous said...

Mell: "but Castro has not spilled any blood besides that which was spilled in their revolution."

Are you kidding? Within three months of his entry into Havana, Castro's firing squads had murdered an estimated 600-1,100 men and boys, and Cuba's jails held ten times the number of political prisoners as under Fulgencio Batista, who Castro overthrew with claims to "liberating" Cuba.

Castro's chief executioner, Che Guevara, seemed to really enjoy his job. A Cuban prosecutor of the time who quickly defected in horror and disgust named Jose Vilasuso estimates that Che signed 400 death warrants the first few months of his command in La Cabana. A Basque priest named Iaki de Aspiazu, who was often on hand to perform confessions and last rites, says Che personally ordered 700 executions by firing squad during the period. Cuban journalist Luis Ortega, who knew Che as early as 1954, writes in his book Yo Soy El Che! that Guevara sent 1,897 men to the firing squad.


By the end of 1965, eighteen thousand bodies would eventually be interred in mass graves. This tally comes -- not from some Cuban-exile scandal sheet in Miami -- but from The Black Book of Communism, written by French scholars and translated into English by the Harvard University press, not exactly an outpost of the vast right-wing conspiracy.

Cuba's population in 1960 was 6.2 million. According to the human Rights group Freedom House, 500,000 Cubans (young and old, male and female) have passed through Castro's prison camps. At one time during 1961-62, 300,000 Cubans were jailed for political offenses islandwide. This makes Castro's political incarceration rate higher than Stalin's and Hitler's.

agape2010 said...

@ Granny:

Just when I got used to calling Palin the snake goose lizard woman...you threw some more stuff in...lol

Can we just give he some initials and be some with it? How about SP the DB?

Peace.
~agape2010~

Anonymous said...

Mell: "SO LETS TALK BLOODSHED"


The diffrence is no one is out there advocating or defending colonialism, slavery, or racist nationalism, but plenty of people still preach the gospel of communism despite it being responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century alone.

agape2010 said...

@ Trapped:

"I get in trouble for my honesty in the real world not for subterfuge."


oops there it is!

Peace.
~agape2010~

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous 12:03:

What's the matter you mad because you were not invited to the S&M party? Your momma was there, maybe, that's why they didn't invite you. She was the star of the show.

Hathor said...

mellanous,
I have been to web sites that are more sophisticated than this one and seen the same crap exuded only with more finesse.

A person, Dinesh DiSousa, caught my eye some 20 years ago on Firing Line spewing some of this crap about black folk.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field, I've been trying to ignore that anonymous person. Cross my heart and hope to spit, but that old devil made me do it. I swear I've been trying my best to resist, but that little devil just wouldn't flee. Oh well, I try to do better the next time, I think...

mellaneous said...

Hey Hathor that guy is really a piece of work he was a real hustler. He wrote a book in which he really tried to polish his racism and it received critical reveiws can you refresh my memory.

He is a real jerk.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Trapped SC:

You keep on talking truth to the power. If they don't won't to hear it, then there is the door what's their hurry. They won't be missed on here by anyone.

Anonymous said...

Trapped in Sterotypical Consciouness:

"What's all the personal animosity for?"

Because you are a snot nosed racist punk who spouts a bunch of nonsense he read in a Chomsky book but doesn't really understand. You viciously attack and belittle your opponents in a way that says you are immature and insecure. And you're a dick.

I don't agree at all with most of what Mell or Uptown or Field writes, but they have some heft to their opinions, appear sincere in their beliefs, and are occassionly open to examining their positions. They occassionaly write things that cause me to examine my positions.


You, on the other hand, are obviously smart enough think large, but insist on staying small.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Granny--> playing the violin!

Trapped in SC said...

Consciousness.

The word is Consciousness.

Occasionally.

The word is Occasionally.

It's OK to be a racist, but do keep in mind that you don't have to be stupid with it.

You're welcome.

And fuck you back.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

o, massa, dey wus jus tryna git yousa white men folk on the wright to sees tha erren of yo ways.

Anonymous said...

Trapped in SC said...

"succession"

The word is secession.

Thanks for making my point so well, dumbass. And fat, dumb and racist is no way to go through life son!

mellaneous said...

Anon:

Castro and the people of Cuba was in a war against folks who tried to overthrow the revolution that actually did bring real freedom to the people of Cuba.

There were political assasinations.

But the other stats you cite are simply not accurate. And how do you compare Hitlers incarceration rate to anybody's. I thought you were interested in serious conversation?

But are you trying to suggest that the brutal Battista who ran Cuba like it was own personal country club, subjecting black folks to a form of US Jim Crow and helped US business and the mafia turn the country into the gambling and whorehouse of the Carribean was better than what they have now.

And how does this compare to his closest Carribean neighbors dicatators like, Trujillo of the Dominican Republic who butchered tens and thousands of Haitians, the Duvaliers'of Haiti who using the Tantun Macoute butchered and imprisoned tens of thousands of his countryman, or Duarte of Nicagaragua whose US trained National Guard murdered thousands of Nicaraguans and terrorized thousands more.


Its okay to have a perspective. Hell I have mine. Just say you don't think socialism works and please say why, but don't make up stuff.

Anonymous said...

Mell; "how do you compare Hitlers incarceration rate to anybody's"

Hitler was an amateur compared to Stalin and Mao.

"But are you trying to suggest that the brutal Battista who ran Cuba like it was own personal country club, subjecting black folks to a form of US Jim Crow "


Here's Che Guevara, Hero of the Revolution:

"The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations."

Hathor said...

mellaneous,

I don't remember, but I did blog about him and others which might refresh your memory.

It might be one of these two books.
The End of Racism or What's So Great About America

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Che Guevara, must have been listening to one of those wash versions of history, because the European tradition has always been to steal, kill, and destroy. Oh yeah, and to covet thou neighbors goods.

mellaneous said...

Anon said:

"The diffrence is no one is out there advocating or defending colonialism, slavery, or racist nationalism, but plenty of people still preach the gospel of communism despite it being responsible for over 100 million deaths in the 20th century alone."

Good point. But you have to understand that when people are preaching communism they are not talking about the bastardized version practiced by Mao,Stalin, or, Pol Pot

I know you are going to say I am being semantic. But not at all. Socialism as an ideal actually is a good idea. I mean the idea of taking from everyone according to their abilities and giving to folks based on their need is actually a good idea.

The point of socialism/communism is that everyone would be owners of society and owners of the productive forces of society and not big business and the banks which run society for profit and not people.

Most of the folks that I have known and know, that have advocated this have been good folks who really did care that folks were sleeping in the streets and that poor children didn't get the same opportunity as rich kids. They really do want to see an end to racism and sexism and homophobia and all the things that divide folks making it easier to be exploited by the captains of industry.

They believe that if a man goes to work he ought to get back what he puts in and not some piddling that he gets now that doesn't allow him to feed his family.

They believe that if a human being gets sick he ought to be able to go to the hospital and not have to go broke. They believe that we could all pay into a system so that we all could benefit. Hell the capitalist are even doing that in Canada and most of Europe, even they saw the societal benefit in providing health care for all.

You get my point you can't blame the rogue versions on the real thing. It still holds some good ideas and Marx is still right on in his critique of capitalism.

In fact we are seeing the results of what he said was the problem of class society

Anonymous said...

GrannyDroolingFromThe Mouth said...
"Che Guevara, must have been listening to one of those wash versions of history, because the European tradition has always been to steal, kill, and destroy. Oh yeah, and to covet thou neighbors goods"

Oh Granny, you tell the best stories! Good night!

mellaneous said...

Hathor it was the End of Racism, that got me but the book Whats so great about America was well packaged. Actually many of his ideas are being repackaged by the Tea Party folks. He is kind of a forerunner to much of what we are seeing. So is the queen of selfishness Ayn Rand.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous 1:00:

What's the matter you having problems facing the truth so you resort to name calling as a defense mechanism?

mellaneous said...

Anon you are funny! Where did you find this?

That's not the Che of history. Its not the Che I came to admire.

You know what brother anon who knows, he may have said this at one point, I have no way of knowing. I do know that I have read two books on him and one by someone who wasn't particularly fond of him and I didn't run across this quote.

But even if he said that, he didn't say anything like that after he became a revolutionary and saw the light. He didn't have that opinion when he was in the mountains surrounded by black Cubans who were gladly risking their lives for a new Cuba without second class citizenship.

The important thing is not where you start, but where you end up. It's why I bother going back and forth with you.

I think you are probably a decent human being. And I don't think you would deny a fellow human being help if they needed it. I say lets make a society like that. If you work you eat you get a roof over your head, you get educated and you get health care. All things they have in the little Third World country across the way called Cuba. You can look it up and I am sure you have.

I worked a job once with a guy who used to get pissed at me for beating up on "his" company. I was a union rep and preached solidarity and he was an old redneck that believed you just did what the bosses said.

Well by the time I left the job we had become fast freinds working together to bring our co-workers together women and men to keep the company from abusing us. He actually apologized to me for calling me names behind my back and we spent time after work together.

BTW Che also said that, "at the risk of sounding sentimental I believe that a revolutionary has to be motivated by great feelings of love."

Che- the doctor from Argentina- by the time he was murdered, was loved much by all Cubans black, white and yes Castillian and he loved them too!!

Gregory said...

Anonymous @ 12:51AM

Do you have a citation for the Che quote? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Mell; How come the "rogue versions" are all we have? If every example winds up being "bastardized", there must be something inherent in Marxism that leads to this end.

"the idea of taking from everyone according to their abilities and giving to folks based on their need is actually a good idea."

Who takes? Who decides who has too much? Is it OK for the "takers" to take a little extra for their efforts? These enterprises quickly get out of hand. It is a much wiser and prosperous course of action to guarentee people their personal liberty.

The point of socialism/communism is that everyone would be owners of society, but it always turns out they become slaves instead.

Post-war European socialism has created a nice life for a lot of people. This was made possible in part by America covering their security needs and in part by the great wealth of these countries, wealth built (or stolen, depending on your perspective) by previous generations. But this is starting to come to an end. They didn't bother to have enough children to keep the system going. There is no way the shrinking working age population can support the growing retired population. Now we want to go that way too? Guess what, the government can promise you all they want, but there is no way it can deliver 10 or 20 years down the road.

I care about people sleeping n the streets and poor kids without opportunity, that why I don;t want to see this country turned into France with bad food.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Those comments by the people on that site are disturbing. I always trip when everyone sees documentaries on FOX news about the plight of Black people, read a LaShawn Barber column and all of a sudden they are experts in Black folks's problems and worldviews. Notwithstanding the fact that we aren't monolithic, people like this lump us all into one category then start throwing stones.

While I do sometimes bemoan your advocacy of larger government programmes, FN, I KNOW that your heart is in the right place and that you are a force in your community. When people make comments like those folks on the right wing blog, they are making lots of assumptions about your and your belief systems.

Then they start saying that you are just another educated but clueless Black man?!!! They've got a lot of nerve. But it's t he same old same old shit; people think they've got us all figured out and reduce the complexity of our issues to a few bullshit talking points.

It just goes to show their prejudice and racism.

Personally, it would be nice if you could point us to charities or funds for unfortunate Blacks, particularly children. Afrospear scholarship anyone?

I called the Detective years ago for the children I emailed you about FN and she NEVER ever responded to my calls. With that in mind, since you are an attorney you likely have access to people and resources that can affect changes at the local level. We all have to start somewhere!

Anonymous said...

Gregory said...
A"nonymous @ 12:51AM

Do you have a citation for the Che quote? Thanks."

This book by Huberto Fontova:

http://www.amazon.com/Exposing-Real-Che-Guevara-Idolize/dp/B001UE7DDW/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

pages 16, 164-68.


His version of the quote is slightly different:

"The Negro is indolent and spends his money on frivolities, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent... We're going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the Cuban revolution. By which I mean: nothing!”

Fontova also notes that today the prison population in Stalinist/Apartheid Cuba is 90% black while only 9% of the ruling Stalinist party is black.

mellaneous said...

Anon said:

"Post-war European socialism has created a nice life for a lot of people."

Actually what you meant to say was Post war European Capitalist Welfare state.

Anon they have a free market system in Europe it's not Socialism. Just ask the Europeans or you can look it up. Google can help.

Its just not socialism I don't know if you are being funny or misinformed, but now you know.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Rigmaiden:

When I saw Lashawn Barber on CSPAN with fakereverend Jessie Lee Peterson cosigning with his every word, I knew then that she wasn't worth two dead flies; therefore, I truly understand what you mean about folks who all of a sudden are experts on black people. Especially, people like Barber who are self-hating black folks.

mellaneous said...

Anon said:

"There is no way the shrinking working age population can support the growing retired population. Now we want to go that way too? Guess what, the government can promise you all they want, but there is no way it can deliver 10 or 20 years down the road.

I care about people sleeping n the streets and poor kids without opportunity, that why I don;t want to see this country turned into France with bad food."

Good point but we both know a little belt tightening on the part of the folks who were feasting at the corporate welfare trough could have helped stem this tide.

We also know that the defense budget which is another trough for some big suey's in the Defense contracting industry could have been cut back.

And you know that all the trillions that have been borrowed to fight a war and maintain the occupation of two countries would have gone a long way domestically as well.

I mean if they borrowed it for war which sure as heck ain't benefiting me or you they could do it for Social Security and anything else.

So we know the problem and you know my ideas for a solution what are yours?

mellaneous said...

Granny you are going to run your blood pressure up. You know you can't watch some of these people.

That Barber person will make you scream at the TV and you know it. You got to turn it off. If you think thats bad you should see this guy of So. Carolina somebody Jackson and a few of these right wing black preachers.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

mellaneous:

LOL! I know, I know...

Check this link out. Apparently, a caller thinks that CSPAN should be segregated. Smh! And giving major eye rollage!


http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/video-c-span-caller-complains-too-many-black-people-call-in/

mellaneous said...

M Rig sister I feel ya!

"But it's t he same old same old shit; people think they've got us all figured out and reduce the complexity of our issues to a few bullshit talking points."

I thought the same thing like how do they know and why are they sure we are all dependent on something. You know they read this crap because they don't know any black folks. Right below what Field posted one young lady was applauding a young black marine because he made out of the hood and said everyone else was lazy.

And he made it out (his idea of making it out was to enlist in the Marines and go and kill some other folks who have been ghettoized) and pointed out that while he voted for Obama this time because he is black, he should have voted as a marine and voted for the veteran.

I think both reasons would be the wrong reason to vote for someone. But she appreciated him because he denounced other black folks. Don't folks realize how offensive and narrow that is?

Good night all! Got to get my mind right for the rest of passion week.

mellaneous said...

Doggone I thought I was gone but anon came up with a real stinker. Man you are getting like CF if the facts aren't available make em up. Or in this case go to a psuedo source.

anon said;

"Fontova also notes that today the prison population in Stalinist/Apartheid Cuba is 90% black while only 9% of the ruling Stalinist party is black."

Do you know who Humberto Fontova is anon? He is a well known hater of everything Cuban, that is post- Batista Cuban. Even the right wing Cubans in Miami don't take him seriously. He literally hates Che and any Cuban that resides in present day Cuba who even mildly defends their government.

This book is a rant and not a good one, against the Cuban government and even the US for not re-invading Cuba. I mean really is this your source for information.

Fontova has a personal grudge against the Cuban gov't with his father who was a former corrupt beaureaucrat was jailed in the early stages of the Cuban Revolution.

This is propaganda and you know it. You are getting your countries mixed up again Aparthied better applies to that fake Democracy that resides in Afro-Asia.

Everytime we start to have a reasonable discussion you start making up things or getting the definitions of political ideas and concepts and systems wrong. Or relying on a source that's unreliable.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Have nice dreams Mellaneous. I used to blog with a very conservative crowd and learned quite a bit while do so. As one of my not so favorite bloggers likes to say "Conservatism is an identity politic". It is true; people identify with a certain aspect of WASPness then they are 'conservative'. When you point out that the NOI has a similar conservative message of self help, pulling up by bootstraps etc, the NOI is racist and they've done nothing good DESPITE the similarities in their rhetoric.

They talk about ghetto welfare queens but the truth is that more whites are on welfare then anyone else because they are the majority population in our country.

They are quick to lambast the Black man and the Black family ala old Moynihan arguments. Then they look at Ms. Barber and believe that some Blacks sanction hatred against their own kind.

They need to stop with that bullshit. Whenever I see someone who the only Blacks they like are Shelby Steele, Jesse Lee Peterson, Lashawn Barber and the like, I get nervous and don't want to really engage them because they've chosen to interact with Blacks who corroborate their twisted worldviews.

mellaneous said...

Gregory:

That quote that anon cited from the book titled get this:
"Exposing the Real Che Guevara and the useful Idiots" was simply made up by this hateful guy. No one anywhere has ever dealt with Che accused him of being racist in fact just the opposite.

mellaneous said...

Anon this is a review written by Micheal Casey on Fontova's hachet job.

"Casey describes Fontova's prose as a marriage of Ann Coulter with the Gonzo journalism of Hunter S. Thompson, remarking that "he basically yells at his readers, mixing a sarcastic wit with a touch of self-deprecation until it is overwhelmed by disdain for his opponents."

Lastly, Casey observes that Fontova often "lathers himself into a rage" when it comes to the issue of Che Guevara, noting that his barrage of hyperbole leads him to describe Guevara as an "assassin", "sadist", "bumbler", "fool", and "whimpering-sniveling-blubbering coward" who is "revered by millions of imbeciles."

Other invective descriptions that Fontova often lobs against Guevara is that he was "shallow""boorish",
"epically stupid", and "a fraud"; whom Fontova considers to be a "murdering swine", an "intellectual vacuum", and an "insufferable Argentine jackass."

Sounds like one of the other anons when he comes on attacking folks.

mellaneous said...

thanks M Rig I really am gone now. I didn't see where anon said he got that quote from until I was getting ready to sign off.

Lies should always be exposed, they hold us back from getting to the truth, which propels all humanity forward; eventually

Anonymous said...

http://wonkette.com/414502/gay-muslim-nutter-will-burn-down-the-malls-unless-this-filthy-pig-movie-babe-is-not-destroyed

He does says Jesus was black.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Smh @ those folks over at buzzhill comments. What are they squawking about? We didn't crash their S&M party.

Bob said...

Field is my conservative blogger. Poverty breeds crime, but is not an excuse for being criminal toward the poor. The "welfare system" is a sorry remnent of great ideas & ideals. We don't progress by going backward 100 years. Which is about how how long ago it was first seriously proposed that all Americans had a right to health care. They didn't let two Roosevelts, Truman, Johnson, Clinton, & even Nixon do it.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]That is almost worth FN (temporary) for getting the party of family values to pay for a party at Voyeur.[/quote]

Gregory:

Had the Republican merely said that this was a recruitment drive, seeking to bring hard core Progressives into the Republican Party he might have gained cover.

I wonder one thing about your statement though. When you note that the GOP is the "Family Values" party - are you hoping that they would STOP making such a claim because they are not OR are you hoping that they will ENFORCE this standard?

It seems to me that most Progressive-Fundamentalists that are bothered by this label would rather REMOVE the standard so that everyone will be in the mud with them rather than agree to have everyone reside at a HIGHER standard.

This is the world of Non-Judgmentalism.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]In my years of activism, I have encountered what most folks would agree were the "radical left." Most are self described anti-capitalist anarchists. I have been at demonstrations where they have engaged in property destruction... I have heard them chant, "No Justice, No Peace." But, in all of those years, I have never attended a meeting, or heard a conversation over beers, or read a screed by these folks that called for the murder, especially murder as a tool to cause an uprising...[/quote]

Jody:

In your ideological blindness you can't see that the CONFISCATORY NATURE of Progressive-Fundamentalism results in:

* "Murder Capital" cities who are empty shells of themselves.

* The broken windows of the empty factory in Flint Michigan

* The destroyed human lives in the parts of North Philly that used to be prosperous

* The physical assaults upon the hopes and dreams of the people who are now left with abundant government but no "consumers of labor" to purchase their labor skills in exchange for a salary

You don't "Murder" people directly. You destroy the INSTITUTIONS that you once struggled against. Once YOU take over these institutions, upon seeing the complexities in having them render a high standard of living from these seats you merely EXPAND your protests to the next higher rung of government.

Today you stand at the Pacific Ocean of your movement and you are hoping that it will freeze over so you can continue going leftward without having to turn around and DELIVER the results upon the lands that you now control.

field negro said...

That Granny is one tough cookie.
Hathor, thanks for the link to your post.

M. Rigmaiden, I am sorry that officer didn't call you back. Shoot me another e-mail and I will call her myself, or I will try to have someone above her call you.

Ahh mell. I love how you fight the good fight. Sadly, I am not sure you are going to change the wingnut way of thinking, it took years to get to that point. But hey, at least we are all reading and learning from your comments.

"In your ideological blindness you can't see that the CONFISCATORY NATURE of Progressive-Fundamentalism results in:


You don't "Murder" people directly. You destroy the INSTITUTIONS that you once struggled against. Once YOU take over these institutions, upon seeing the complexities in having them render a high standard of living from these seats you merely EXPAND your protests to the next higher rung of government."

Exactly! She doesn't "Murder people directly." Unlike you people who send them to die to protect the beast that you love to talk about so much.

Those "INSTITUTIONS" are doing just fine, theyt are just doing it in another country for much cheaper labor. BTW, they are doing a pretty good job of destroying those countries as well.

Constructive Feedback said...

Mellaneous:

If you EVER see me "molest the facts" PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE call me on it. I beg you.

[quote]"Mell: "He is not a leftist he is disturbed. Its not the same thing."[/quote]

SAYS YOU!!!! Who is disturbed and leftist.

[quote]I believe the Dems and the Repubs represent the interests of the ruling rich there is a bit of difference but their most important function is convincing regular folks that any of them represent our interests.[/quote]

Mellaneous - this shows your dishonesty.

If there are TWO EQUAL HOUSEHOLD PESTS and yet you see the Black community being OVERRUN by rats and about 8% of Roaches within - WHY do you focus upon the ROACHES so?

Does your RAID kill the RATS?
Look in your closet and note the cartons of RAID that you have.

IF ONLY you saw both parties as an EQUAL THREAT Mellaenous.

[quote]
"It is a sham. The whole purpose of forcing the insurance companies to cover ‘pre-existing conditions’ is to drive them out of business.
Listen to Rush Limbaugh. He’s had this figured out since forever."
[/quote]

Mellaenous you fail to see what has transpired over the past few weeks.

DRACULA (the Health Insurance Companies) has just had his teeth filed down AND he now has his blood supply REGULATED with blood thinners.

Yet in 10 to 20 years time the Progressive-Fundamentalists will see that the LIES about the INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS ($16B per year) DID NOT COVER THE $100B per year INCREASES (just for starters) in health care spending.

Pre-Existing Conditions was used (unsavorily at times) as a COST CONTROL MECHANISM. In your fantastical economic theory with this scheme removed IT IS NOT GOING TO INCREASE COSTS because the EVIL INSURANCE PROFITS were removed.

Mellaneous - When you look at your would be Single Payer Insurance Company with an expected $1,500 BILLION deficit this year that followed its $1,400B debt last year - do you ever GET A CLUE and see that the OPPOSITE of EVIL SCHEMES to limit spending is UNSUSTAINABLE DEFICITS as the government tries to BE ALL TO EVERYONE?

In the end "NO ONE WILL HAVE NOTHING"

(I am listening to Democracy Now as I type this as they talk about Student loans and it FURTHER PROVES you all's CLUELESSNESS.

Remove the banks as middle men. Demand for 0% interest rates from the government but no talk about REGULATING tuition increases at Evil Colleges.)

Do any of you see that by loading up the central government with your flawed theories you are going to "Camdenize" the entire USA.

Jody said...

Anon 11:40am.... seriously? Do you know what the FBI was doing and saying about people back then?? And, the FACT is that the Underground's plan was to destroy property, not kill people. They failed when they killed their own folks while making a bomb.... and they killed a security guard, which they did not know was going to be there... it was not their plan to kill in either case... but that is the fundamental problem when you head that direction, shit happens that you don't plan and people get hurt.

I was referring to the left in the United States. Not all over the map. Within the left there have been debates for years about leftist revolutionary movements outside the US and why they would not work here. There are not armed militias of the left in the US. In the last 20 years, the most radical organized groups are animal rights and earth defenders who have destroyed property... not targeted people.

The guys arrested yesterday, not one guy, but a group, were planning on killing cops in hopes that would be a spark for others to join them and to start an armed revolt against the government....

They were, in my opinion, woefully mistaken. You see, just like the left concluded that armed revolution aint gonna happen in the US... I think most folks on the right aren't gonna go there either.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Exactly! She doesn't "Murder people directly." Unlike you people who send them to die to protect the beast that you love to talk about so much. [/quote]

You mean like OBAMA?

You and Rikyrah's buddy Tavis Smiley has a special that will show on Wednesday @ 8 showcasing Martin Luther King's words against war and comparing him to OBAMA and his war in Afghanistan. (I hope they talk about the 3 Somalian Pirates who were shot in the head as well).

[quote]
Those "INSTITUTIONS" are doing just fine, theyt are just doing it in another country for much cheaper labor.
[/quote]

What is "cheap labor" Filled Negro?

Is the LABOR which pulls itself off of the MARKET in a permanent picket line over the rate that a CONSUMER OF LABOR values THEIR WORK in this category?

The COST of this action is:
* Degraded Tax Base
* Dependency Upon External Altruism Payments
* Loss Of Skill and Competency Development by Work
* Grey/Black Economies that develop in the wake of the loss of jobs

FILLED NEGRO you and others talk about the PROFITS from the Prison Industrial Complexes.

YOU NEED TO FOCUS UPON the OPPORTUNITY COSTS that are represented by the choice to RAISE THE SALES PRICE OF LABOR in these communities and thus have the CONSUMERS OF LABOR exit the region once their factories have reached END OF LIFE. The evil corporation has to decide to REFURBISH the factory or BUILD A NEW ONE in an area which is far less hostile to them.

Do you find it ironic that Detroit and others were BUILD UP during this time of "exploitation" yet they saw a precipitous collapse once the forces of SOCIAL JUSTICE took over the reigns?

Seriously Filled Negro (and Mellaneous) I would like for you to explain Benton Harbor, Flint and Detroit as applied to your abstract theories of social justice and economic progressivism.

Or are you secretly turning these places back into GREEN SPACES? I get it now!!

[quote]
BTW, they are doing a pretty good job of destroying those countries as well.
[/quote]

Really how so?
Is China being "destroyed" or are they OWNING YOUR?
Is the "Jockey" factory in Jamaica producing your underwear or destroying Jamaica?

Please explain?
Maybe you are seeking to keep the BEAST strong and not allow others around the world to nurture their little lizards into strength?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]And, the FACT is that the Underground's plan was to destroy property, not kill people. They failed when they killed their own folks while making a bomb...[/quote]

So Jody - IF your heroes in the Wealth Underground who didn't INTEND to kill people as they blew up buildings but did so in the name of "Collateral Damage" would YOU defend them just as you attack your own nation's military as they make the very same arguments?

Don't forget about Police Officers Sergeant Brian McDonnell, Sergeant Edward O'Grady and Officer Waverly Brown. I bet that all of these were union members and fathers before they were murdered.

It is clear that your Moral High Ground is only as good as your willingness to open your eyes as it is tested for its veracity.

Jody said...

UnConn... nowhere did I say the Underground were then or are now my heroes... I just do not like revisionist history, which is what the anon above was attempting to do... I do not support ANY movement of any kind that uses killing as a method of achieving their goal... is that clear enough for you?

Trin said...

Admission Time:

As a well educated black male, I come here and shake my head. I can so see how the commenters feel the way they do about your blog FN.

I mean you are a very likable dude and all, but the content here just lacks in real change and quality.

My opinion.

Anonymous said...

Notwithstanding the fact that we aren't monolithic, people like this lump us all into one category

I know RM, FN blogged a few weeks back and mentioned blacks are a spiritual community, like to eat etc.

So my question, is it okay to lump folks into one category as long as it's positive??

M. Rigmaiden said...

Anonymous, generalizations are a necessary evil at times. But I agree that sometimes there is a double standard when we are analyzing ourselves on these types of issues.

Hathor said...

anon8:20,

Since when has a community have to be heterogeneous in thought.

M. Rigmaiden said...

As to the gist of this post...Seeing all the comments about how the militia people are nut jobs and yada yada yada...I dunno. I hate cops; I really really really do. The people that tend to become cops have authoritarian complexes and sometimes can be sadistic, and this seems irrespective of their racial or ethnic backgrounds. Last year sometime in Spring I was pulled over for allegedly speeding, with my baby and dog in the car and the police officer pulled a gun on me.

Frankly if police officers are to protect and serve, then he was waaaaay out of line. Police officers should not have the power to pull over defenseless people and spiritually as well as physically torture them. Pulling a gun on a new mother with a baby and a dog in the car is torture both mental and spiritual.

I know I am not supposed to carry hatred in my heart, but frankly the fact that these militia people were plotting against cops did not turn me off to them...For some brief moment in time I cheered their mission then snapped back into reality.

Anger and a sense of hopelessness in a fucked up world are the things that could motivate a person to join a militia group. I am truly surprised there aren't more BLACK paramilitary organizations out there, given our contentious history with law enforcement historically.

I have to admit that NWA sounds sweeter to me each time I think of police officers:

"Fuck that shit, cuz I ain't tha one
For a punk muthafucka with a badge and a gun
To be beatin on, and throwin in jail
We could go toe to toe in the middle of a cell
-Ice Cube

Anonymous said...

mellaneous said...
"Actually what you meant to say was Post war European Capitalist Welfare state.

Anon they have a free market system in Europe it's not Socialism. Just ask the Europeans or you can look it up. Google can help.

Its just not socialism I don't know if you are being funny or misinformed, but now you know."

I was granting you that a little bit of socialism can have benefits for a population under particular situations. If you don't want Europe as an example, then you have no positive examples of socialism.

And Fontova is an anti-Castro writer. He does reference his work however, and he is not the originator of the Che quote. Google that, and you will see that it is a well established quote.

Anonymous said...

The people that tend to become cops have authoritarian complexes and sometimes can be sadistic, and this seems irrespective of their racial or ethnic backgrounds

Again we are lumping folks together.

Hathor: The poster was referring to RM's earlier statement about lumping people together. Your question does not make sense.

Not the assnon who posted earlier

mellaneous said...

CF said:

"In your ideological blindness you can't see that the CONFISCATORY NATURE of Progressive-Fundamentalism results in:

* "Murder Capital" cities who are empty shells of themselves.

* The broken windows of the empty factory in Flint Michigan

* The destroyed human lives in the parts of North Philly that used to be prosperous

* The physical assaults upon the hopes and dreams of the people who are now left with abundant government but no "consumers of labor" to purchase their labor skills in exchange for a salary"

THIS IS A LIE!

The explanation for all the above is the unregulated free market. Broken bodies and cities and crushed hopes are the result of the unfairness built into a system that seeks to hold one group down and pit black worker against white worker so they can both be better exploited by Big Business.

The businesses/industry left its a simple as that.

There was no progressive ideology that had anything to do with business leaving to find cheaper labor in fact much cheaper labor in the Third World.

What on God's green earth are you talking about, where did you get this crap from?

Look it up. Anybody can look it up and find out why the businesses left these cities and what happened as a result.

Any amateur sociologist can tell you there is going to be crime in any area where industry is left, education is inferior and opportunity for real economic advancement is limited.

Please if you are going to spout off in an effort to appear intelligent to everyone please TELL THE TRUTH.

CF I find this crap particularly disturbing especially, considering how these people were abandoned by the capitalists. These are real people who have real hurts and real pain that you so casually blame some silly made up progressive fundamentalism or whatever for causing.

Please pontificate about something you know about, but please stop reopening these folks wounds.

And regarding Flint didn't you even see Micheal Moore's "Micheal and Me."

M. Rigmaiden said...

Like I said above sometimes generalizations are a necessary evil. It doesn't take away the fact that the people who were criticizing FN's blog were making generalizations that weren't true in the least.

And it doesn't take away from the fact that in my lifetime, just about ninety percent of all my interactions with cops have been negative. Why do you think that is the case?

Hathor made sense. A community consists of different people that have something in common with one another. But that doesn't mean they have to agree on everything!

Anonymous said...

Mell: And if you don't care for Fontova quoting Che, here's Che on Che.

In his diaries he details a story from 1957 – before he had any command authority – when he volunteered to accompany Eutimio Guerra (Castro’s personal bodyguard), who had been ordered to execute a rebellious peasant. When alone with Guevara and the peasant, Guerra hesitated. Seeing this, Guevara drew his own pistol and performed the execution without reserve. In his diaries, ‘Che’ describes the peasant’s death:

“He went into convulsions for a while and was finally still. Now his belongings were mine.”

Kind of sums up socialism rather succinctly.

Shortly afterward, Guevara’s father received the following message: “I’d like to confess, papa, at that moment I discovered that I really like killing.”

And kill he did. Throughout his career as Fidel Castro’s underling in post-Batista Cuba, Guevara personally ordered the executions of between 1500 and 2000 people. (In an interview with a CIA agent shortly before his execution, he put the number at “several thousand,” though they were “all CIA agents and spies,” of course.)

I guess that's what it takes to be an icon of the left and get your face on millions of cool t-shirts.

alicia banks said...

fn:

he may be psycho

he may be dem/repub

but what i know for sure, is that anyone who dares NOT to worship hobama inc is an enemy of the state

irrespective of what label one may don, anytime dissent is criminalized, we ALL are at risk!!

even that run of the mill nazi pat b can see that...so it truly petrifies me that so many hobama nazis cannnot

shame!!!!!!!

http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=133893

mellaneous said...

CF said:

"If you EVER see me "molest the facts" PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE call me on it. I beg you."

You do it all the time and today is especially egregious. Sometimes I don't think you would know a fact if it slapped you.

What REALLY gets me is that folks are doing real live suffering in the world AND YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT IT ALL!

And Yes I sure am disturbed you got that right. I am disturbed by folks who go out of their way to justify the wrongs of a system that indirectly and directly cause folks to suffer. A system that fosters division by encouraging racism, sexism and homophobia.

I am disturbed by people who go onto websites and just go and on and don't seem to have a clue what they are talking about. Its disturbing when they make things that fly in the face of the obvious truths to make some ridiculous sounding point.

Yes I am disturbed by a system that dishes out two different kinds of public education, one for the ghetto and rural poor and one for the better off.

You bet I am disturbed by a system that allows companies to treat workers like they are so much trash to be thrown out or let go at their convenient. A system that refuses to pay a single hard working mother a living wage.

I am disturbed by a system that has no regard for humanity but only profits so it has plundered and pillaged and mislead the Third World and undermined its ability to support itself.

Yes my very confused fellow human being I am disturbed by the fact that this system refuses to regulate the health care industry and organize workers so that we can pay into a system that allows us all to have health care. But instead sets up to be further abused by private industry in this case the medical insurance industry and the health care industry.

Yes sir I am with MLK I am disturbed by injustice one ought not adjust to injustices.

And you thought you said something smart by calling me disturbed.

maria said...

wait, that hillbuzz blog seems to be run by a gay guy who supported hillary but is definitely NOT a democrat now--he's a conservative--if he ever even was a democrat.

and i wouldn't call any of his posters democrats, either, and i wouldn't call them friends of laboon.

i WOULD call them ignorant racists who are probably tea-baggers.

alicia banks said...

anon:

hobama is not a leftist

he is a rabid elitist

and

he is outlawing all dissent

from lying on tea partiers to taking over the internet to spying on us all worse than gwb to taking over banks to the hoax of obamacare to diet police etc...

most will perish asleep

those of us who are awake know a blackish nazi when we see one

it is a very scary day when pat b and rush l speak more sanity than the avg hypnotized blindly adoring black american!!!

pat b:

As Democrats, after a Sunday rally on the Capitol grounds, marched to the House hand-in-hand to vote for health-care reform, tea partiers reportedly shouted the "N-word" at John Lewis and another black congressman. A third was allegedly spat upon. And Barney Frank was called a nasty name.

Tea partiers deny it all. And neither audio nor video of this alleged incident has been produced, though TV cameras and voice recorders were everywhere on the Hill.

Other Democrats say their offices were vandalized and they've been threatened. A few received, and eagerly played for cable TV, obscene phone calls they got.

If true, this is crude and inexcusable behavior. And any threat should be investigated. But Democrats are also exploiting these real, imaginary or hoked-up slurs to portray themselves as political martyrs and to smear opponents as racists and bigots.

This is the politics of desperation.

The "mass hysteria" of the tea-party right, writes Rich, is at root about race. "By 2012 ... non-Hispanic white births will be in the minority. The tea party is virtually all white. ... Their anxieties about a rapidly changing America are well-grounded."

Rich is implying that when America's white majority disappears, in 2042 according to 2008 Census Bureau projections, the day of the white conservative is over.

Given the rise in ethnic consciousness among all Americans, Rich may be right. But it is not just white folks who want illegal aliens deported and legal immigration curtailed, while 25 million of our own are out of work or underemployed.

A Zogby poll for the Center for Immigration Studies found that 56 percent of Hispanics, 57 percent of Asian-Americans and 68 percent of African-Americans think legal immigration is too high.

If the tea-party folks think it is leftist elites who detest and wish to be rid of the America they grew up in and love, they are right

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/distinctions-differences-denials-obama-hitler.html

Anonymous said...

maria said...
"i WOULD call them ignorant racists who are probably tea-baggers."

That's funny, because that's what I would call you.

mellaneous said...

Anon:

"Kind of sums up socialism rather succinctly."

Actually it doesn't anon. Socialism is about making sure that every one can eat, have a roof over their head, making sure that all children not just rich children have a chance to reach their full potential, by providing quality education for all and equal opportunity for all, its about making sure they receive a fair wage for a fair days work, celebrating motherhood, and fatherhood, celebrating humanity whether they are white, black, indian, asian, male, female

Ultimately its about allow human beings to be fully human.

Like I tell some other folks because you make things up doesn't make it the truth.

There is a whole body of literature available that tells you what Socialists think. Whatever you may want to say about them they are not cowards and they are not dishonest they say what they think and don't make crap up.They are not hiding. You can even find some on the internet.

You really don't have to make crap up. This makes for bad dialogue anon. Just say you don't like the ideals of socialism, but come on stop making stuff up it makes you look bad.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Mellaneous I think you are idealizing socialism and how it has been practiced throughout the world. I went to a Freedom Socialist party meeting a few years back and can tell you that some of the members are self righteous boobs who think that they are morally superior to those who 'do what they gotta do' to take care of their families etc.

I went there for International Woman's Day celebration and had a nice time. The next and last time I went, I took my husband and he is a software engineer. Everybody asked us 'what do you do?' to gauge how down with the cause we were or something. Anyway they gave him shit for working his job! You know, San Francisco is the home to many a zealot but these socialists were weirdos. They also talked about 'doing with a little bit less' as if they had the right and authority to take people's hard earned stuff from them due to a perceived injustice. Puleeze. Sometimes things are not practiced consistent with rhetoric.

alicia banks said...

mell:

thank you!

anyone who knows the definition of socialism would never ever call a rabid elitist warmongering amoral lying brazen corp whore like hobama a socialist!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/distinctions-differences-denials-obama-hitler.html

http://www.obamadeception.net/?wwparam=1269956991

uptownsteve said...

Mell

If conservatives couldn't make things up they'd have little reason to exist.

I mean, THAT's what they do.

alicia banks said...

mell:

hobama's FELLOW elitists call him a socialist ONLY to distract poor bilked fools!

mellaneous said...

Anon said:

"Who takes? Who decides who has too much? Is it OK for the "takers" to take a little extra for their efforts? These enterprises quickly get out of hand. It is a much wiser and prosperous course of action to guarentee people their personal liberty."

And how do you propose to guarantee personal liberty?

But forget about that a for moment, lets look at this idea of personal liberty.

An individual can not enjoy so-called personal liberty if he/she is part of a group that suffers from discrimination at the hands of a system that is free to do to folks whatever it wants.

Personal liberty is a rich man's term. Check out the UN site on World Hunger and other sites on hunger and poverty in the Third World.

Every hour someone dies from a treatable disease, from hunger, from having consumed bad drinking water.

What they wish for is the chance to eat and to live, what they long for is a real just society in which they have the opportunity to thrive like folks in the so-called first world.

Have a good day ya'll I can't do this today. I can't type words on a computer cavalierly as if real people are not feeling real pain as a result of real decisions made by real greedy, selfish and heartless folks guided by a heartless system that seeks profits for the well being of people!

I got to go to work!

uptownsteve said...

"Yes I am disturbed by a system that dishes out two different kinds of public education, one for the ghetto and rural poor and one for the better off.

You bet I am disturbed by a system that allows companies to treat workers like they are so much trash to be thrown out or let go at their convenient. A system that refuses to pay a single hard working mother a living wage.

I am disturbed by a system that has no regard for humanity but only profits so it has plundered and pillaged and mislead the Third World and undermined its ability to support itself.

Yes my very confused fellow human being I am disturbed by the fact that this system refuses to regulate the health care industry and organize workers so that we can pay into a system that allows us all to have health care. But instead sets up to be further abused by private industry in this case the medical insurance industry and the health care industry.

Yes sir I am with MLK I am disturbed by injustice one ought not adjust to injustices.

Personal liberty is a rich man's term."

Outstanding Mellaneous.

Best post I've read here in a while.

When I read negroes talking this "personal liberty" crapola I don't know whether to laugh or get sick.

Personal liberty was the argument segregationists used to oppose Civil Rights Laws and the Public Accomodations Act.

ie....I have the "personal liberty" not to serve you or sell to you.

Wake up people.

M. Rigmaiden said...

People use personal liberty arguments to justify their own hatred all the time. It doesn't take away from the necessity of free choice and personal liberty in a democratic republic.

I understand Mellaneous's statement that some people preach personal liberty while cosigning with legislation that takes away liberties from another segment in the population. However, if personal choice, liberty and freedom aren't paramount ideals then what should be?

Segregationists were justifying human rights abuses using the cover of personal liberty. However, they disenfranchised Black people from voting and thus took away Black's liberties in so doing. This should not have been tolerated and the federal government stepped in to ensure that the tenants of the Constitution were implemented. And that is what happened.

Personal liberties only go so far when living in a society. You don't have the personal liberty to harm me or mine and I don't have the liberty to harm you either. Personal liberty does not give anyone the right to deprive another of their personal liberties, regarding innate human rights.

The anonymous commenter makes good points because under socialism somebody has to decide how resources are allocated and that decision maker bothers me the most.

I am not championing the oligarchy under which we all live right now. Because it's nothing like the free republic our founding fathers envisioned for us. However, I don't think that radical socialism, the twentieth century version is the answer either.

alicia banks said...

mroctaloon:

"Segregationists were justifying human rights abuses using the cover of personal liberty."

and they made that racial hatred LAWS just as you condone for homos/homo children in ms!!!!

shame!!!!!

uptownsteve said...

"The anonymous commenter makes good points because under socialism somebody has to decide how resources are allocated and that decision maker bothers me the most."

Under a democratic government the ruling ruling party makes the decisions.

Was the decision to invade Iraq put to a popular vote?

How about the tax cuts for the richest Americans which ballooned the deficit by $1.7 trillion???

maria said...

Anonymous said...
maria said...
"i WOULD call them ignorant racists who are probably tea-baggers."

That's funny, because that's what I would call you.

9:43 AM

you clearly have me confused with karen.

M. Rigmaiden said...

ACtually NO STEVE. The decision to invade Iraq occurred because of LIES spread by the President's intelligence network. Congress has to declare war in our country and any wars that go on without Congressional approval are illegal. And believe me I am totally against war period. This is because innocents get killed over the choice that some elite assholes make and they don't give a damn about the common man.

The tax cuts ballooned the deficit from a certain perspective. But the tax cuts are the least of our concerns. The government approved a bailout AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE MAJORITY of AMERICANS.

Therefore our rights as voting taxpaying citizens have been supplanted by the oligarchy to which I referred in my previous posts.

Most Americans didn't approve TARP bailout funds to go to bankers who got richer while we all got poorer. This is evidence that our nation has a broken political system.

All of this to say that you're conflating. You bring up points about Iraq and tax cuts that prove my point even more so; that our current government does not represent the will of its citizens.

I prophesied that within a year of the TARP bailouts that unemployment would be worse and that people would not be in a substantially better position and I was right. TARP was robbery of tax payers to pay for businesses. Privatizing gains and socializing debt is a hallmark NOT of a democratic republic but a hallmark of an OLIGARCHY.

Just about ALL of our politicians are guilty of allowing our desires as citizens to be trumped by their personal greed. The ONLY folks with integrity are Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Lee out of Oakland. All those other boobs have no integrity and have not represented our interests as citizens for many many many years.

alicia banks said...

the tea partiers were quiet about gwb for the SAME reason that black hobama nazis are quiet NOW about how hobama has FLAGRANTLY BETRAYED AND PIMPED BLACK FARMERS YET AGAIN!!!

http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/black-farmers-blame-obama-for-failed-settlement/

M. Rigmaiden said...

Personal liberty does not give anyone the right to deprive another of their personal liberties, regarding innate human rights.-M.Rigmaiden

In order to understand my comment, it is necessary to define innate human rights. On this blog, the term has various definitions put forth by different posters.

Segregationists had no RIGHT whatsoever to deprive Blacks of their rights to peacefully assemble, their rights to live in peace and their rights to live free of discrimination in jobs, housing etc. One person doesn't have the right to block another person's natural innate rights.

What is at issue is how innate rights are defined.

uptownsteve said...

"The government approved a bailout AGAINST THE WISHES OF THE MAJORITY of AMERICANS."

I disagree.

Obama campaigned on the bailout as well as voting twice for Bush's trillion dollar Wall street bailout proposal.

M. Rigmaiden said...

"Obama campaigned on the bailout as well as voting twice for Bush's trillion dollar Wall street bailout proposal."-UTSteve

Yes and the majority of Americans did not approve of giving tax dollars to bailout corporations. I don't know if you agreed to this, but when McCain and Obama supported the Bush bailout plan they BOTH lost a lot of support and if it wasn't immediate, the support was lost in time.

Ultimately they are giving our money away to their friends. It doesn't matter if he campaigned for the cause. It was morally wrong. Bottom line.

uptownsteve said...

I'm not comfortable with it but what was the alternative?

Let the banks crash?

alicia banks said...

mroctaloon:

"Segregationists had no RIGHT whatsoever to deprive Blacks of their rights to peacefully assemble, their rights to live in peace and their rights to live free of discrimination in jobs, housing etc. One person doesn't have the right to block another person's natural innate rights."

ditto for homohaters but YOU all do it everyday and demand that LAWS do the same....and you holy homohaters dare to do so in the name of god ALSO!!!!

shame!!!!!!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de1c0817860d.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/ame-sex-marriage-same-stupid-hypocrisies.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/biblical-laws-for-gaybashing-cherry-pickers.html

Rottnkid said...

GrannyStandingforTruth said...
Field, you left off Ms. Pit Bull,

------------------------------

She's no Pit Bull. Pit Bulls don't quit.

alicia banks said...

dwhwb:

"Let the banks crash?"

you are a rabid hobama nazi because you think saving the banks
while THE PEOPLE CRASHED and are STILL crashing while jobless/homeless/starving/GETTING NO LOANS FROM SAID BANKS ETC as promised is really OK!!!

YOU/WE WERE ALL ROBBED AND WE ARE ALL STILL CRASHING....WAKE UP!!!

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100328/D9END8UO0.html

http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q=MTViNmZiZmQ4NmMxM2Y5NmEzNWIwYWRmNmNhMWJlY2I=

If that were true, the record $1.6 trillion in deficit spending over the past fiscal year would have already overheated the economy. Yet despite this spending, which is equal to fully 9 percent of GDP, the economy is expected to shrink by at least 3 percent this fiscal year. If the spending constitutes an injection of “new money” into the economy, we may conclude that, without it, the economy would contract 12 percent — hardly a plausible claim.

If $1.6 trillion in deficit spending failed to slow the economy’s slide, there’s no reason to believe that adding $185 billion — the 2009 portion of the stimulus bill — will suddenly do the trick. But if budget deficits of nearly $2 trillion are insufficient stimulus, how much would be enough? $3 trillion? $4 trillion?

This is no longer a theoretical exercise. The idea that increased deficit spending can cure recessions has been tested, and it has failed. If growing the economy were as simple as expanding government spending and deficits, then Italy, France, and Germany would be the global economic kings. And there would be no reason to stop at $787 billion: Congress could guarantee unlimited prosperity by endlessly borrowing and spending trillions of dollars.

The simple reason government spending fails to end recessions is that Congress does not have a vault of money waiting to be distributed. Every dollar Congress “injects” into the economy must first be taxed or borrowed out of the economy. No new income, and therefore no new demand, is created. They are merely redistributed from one group of people to another. Congress cannot create new purchasing power out of thin air.

WHAT RECOVERY?????

Anonymous said...

UTS: "How about the tax cuts for the richest Americans which ballooned the deficit by $1.7 trillion???"

The Bush tax cuts REDUCED the deficit by spurring econmic activity:

http://www.agoyandhisblog.com/2010/03/26/every-picture-tells-a-story-dont-it/

Anonymous said...

Mell: "And how do you propose to guarantee personal liberty?"

Uphold the constitution.

And personal liberty is not a "rich man's term". It is the poorest for whom liberty must be most guarded.

uptownsteve said...

Sorry anon-goober but you're going to have to do better than some rightwing blog.

Here are the facts.

here is what we got:
Between Jan 20 2001-2009 under Republican's policies and leadership:

Unemployment doubled from 4.2% to 8.2%
National debt doubled from 5.7 trillion to 10.6 trillion
Yearly budget went from a 236 billion surplus to a 1.2 TRILLION deficit (a 1.4 trillion drop)
Dow Jones plunged 25% from to 10,587 to 7949
Gasoline tripled from 1.44 to 4.11 per gallon on July 11, 2008
Losing 700,000 jobs monthly
Economy in total freefall

(Republicans try to confuse people by saying democrats took over in Jan 2007 and started the recession, but they can not name one thing democrats did to hurt the economy. All experts state the housing crisis started in 2006 and all subprime loans had already been made under a republican congress and president)

SOURCES:
BUSH DOUBLED UNEMPLOYMENT FROM 4.2% TO 8.2% -----(Feb 2001-2009)
(Source: US Dept of Labor - Bureau of Labor Statistics-)
(http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3)

BUSH DOUBLED OUR DEBT FROM 5.7 TRILLION TO 10.6 TRILLION
(Source: US Treasury Dept - Bureau of Public Debt - http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np)

BUSH TURNED A 236 BILLION BUDGET SURPLUS INTO A 1.2 TRILLION DEFICIT (A 1.4 TRILLION DROP)
(Source 1: CBO - Congressional Budget Office - Historical Budget data - Shows the 236 billion surplus in 2000)
(http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10871/historicaltables.pdf)

(Source 2: Congressional Budget Office - Annual budget and economic report and testimony before Congress on Jan 8, 2009) (Declares 1.2 trillion deficit for fiscal year 2009 ---2 weeks before obama takes office)
(http://cbo.gov/ftpdocs/99xx/doc9958/01-08-Outlook_Testimony.pdf)

(Please note: The fiscal year 2009 started Oct 1, 2008 under president bush. At that time, the 2009 deficit was projected at 600 billion. Then the banking crisis occured in Oct 2008 and bush started a 700 billion TARP bailout program which was added to the 600 billion deficit which left obama with a 1.2 Trillion deficit the day he took office according to the CBO)

BUSH OVERSAW A DOW JONES THAT PLUNGED 25% OVER 8 YEARS
(Source: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=^DJI)

GASOLINE TRIPLED UNDER BUSH ENERGY POLICY
(Source: US Dept of Energy- Energy Information Administration) (http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MG_RT_US&f=W

alicia banks said...

anon:

ditto

is if really OK with hobama nazis that hobama's spending made gwb look FRUGAL in only 8 mos!!!!

just as it is really OK with them that hobamacare has 0 public option but LEGENDARY ENDLESS TRILLIONS for pharma corps

they embrace their doom and cheer each slaying by hobama....shame!!!!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/29/big-pharma-wins-big-with_n_516977.html

Anonymous said...

UTS: congress makes the budget, and as soon as the dems took over in 2007, things went to hell.

facts is facts.

uptownsteve said...

oh geez

You can lay the facts right in front of their faces and the tinfoil heads will still say "Nuh-Uh"

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!

alicia banks said...

dwhwb:

hobama won!
gwb is history!
let him go!!!

your dated facts have NOTHING to do with the legendary GREATER spending that is going on NOW on and will balloon under hobama...

ie

when was the last time you filled up your gas tank this mo???

happy summer!!!

hobama's 2011 fleecings:


In its 2011 budget, which the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) released Feb. 1, the administration projected a 10-year deficit total of $8.53 trillion. After looking it over, CBO said in its final analysis, released Thursday, that the president's budget would generate a combined $9.75 trillion in deficits over the next decade.

"An additional $1.2 trillion in debt dumped on [GDP] to our children makes a huge difference," said Brian Riedl, a budget analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation. "That represents an additional debt of $10,000 per household above and beyond the federal debt they are already carrying."

The federal public debt, which was $6.3 trillion ($56,000 per household) when Mr. Obama entered office amid an economic crisis, totals $8.2 trillion ($72,000 per household) today, and it's headed toward $20.3 trillion (more than $170,000 per household) in 2020, according to CBO's deficit estimates.

That figure would equal 90 percent of the estimated gross domestic product in 2020, up from 40 percent at the end of fiscal 2008. By comparison, America's debt-to-GDP ratio peaked at 109 percent at the end of World War II, while the ratio for economically troubled Greece hit 115 percent last year.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/26/cbos-2020-vision-debt-will-rise-to-90-of-gdp/

Constructive Feedback said...

Steve:

The sad part of your ignorance is that a person who unwittingly goes down your rabbit hole must yield to the notion that the GOVERNMENT CREATES JOBS.

* Steve attacks Bush for his Deficit spending. Fair enough. Obama and the Federal Democrats with everything to themselves are going to follow last year's $1.4T deficit with a $1.5T deficit THIS YEAR.

Do you think that Steve is going to attack the hands that feed him?

* Why does Steve make UNEMPLOYMENT a NATIONAL POLICY outcome when the truth is that places that have the highest concentration of people who who are favorable to him in power have the HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATEs. Go see the University of Wisconsin Urban Institute study on Black male unemployment. Tell me if YOU see a pattern.

* What about Detroit is NOT in Freefall WhiteBowieSteve? Why don't you talk about the HOUSING VALUES in Detroit BEFORE the Union Thugs got control over the politics and AFTER? How many BILLIONS was lost in Black wealth?

The key point that I DON'T UNDERSTAND is that you hate insurance companies that make $16B in PROFITS yet your WOULD BE SINGLE PAYER health care insurance conglomerate is on track to have a $20,0000 BILLION DEFICIT in less than 10 years.

The key to your FRAUD is that you feel no particular impact by your flawed theories.

Your dependency upon central government is going to weigh it down and unfortunately cause it to collapse.

Then you will see that you should have built up your people's COMPETENCIES rather than insuring that they were SERVICED by the Beast.

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...
oh geez

You can lay the facts right in front of their faces and the tinfoil heads will still say "Nuh-Uh"

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!


Ok, ignore the data, stick to the narrative, and keep sailing off in the wrong direction.

“It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift

alicia banks said...

dwhwb:

what saves???
what recovery???
wake up!!!

a new wave of foreclosed mansions owned by the RICH not scapegoated by predatory lenders like the newly homeless poor looms!!!

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/16/business/la-fi-mortgage-mods17-2010feb17

Regulators on Friday shut down two Georgia banks and one each in Florida and Arizona, bringing to 41 the number of bank failures in the U.S. so far this year following the 140 that fell in 2009 to mounting loan defaults and the recession.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. on Friday took over the banks: McIntosh Commercial Bank, based in Carrollton, Ga.; Unity National Bank of Cartersville, Ga.; Key West Bank of Key West, Fla., and Desert Hills Bank, based in Phoenix.

The four failures are expected to cost the federal deposit insurance fund a total of around $320.3 million.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/27/four-more-banks-shut-down_n_516004.html

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]facts is facts.[/quote]

Anon - the ENTIRE BUNCH OF THEM are to blame.

Dem or GOP in power has not meant a slowdown in the growth in government or the debt.

WhiteBowieSteve points to the Internet bubble inspired fortunes as his cover for economic growth. The truth is that the year 1998 was the GREATEST year for JOB LOSSES DUE TO DOWNSIZING in the past 20 years AT THAT TIME. (To clarify for Steve - that means between 1978 and 1998)

The truth is that Steve can't tell us where the $5T debt increase came from beyond the:

$1.0T Iraq/Afghan War
$1.6T in Tax Revenues Cut

Where did the rest of the debt money go to?

ANSWER: SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE!!!

uptownsteve said...

CF rushes to Massa's defense!!!

"Why does Steve make UNEMPLOYMENT a NATIONAL POLICY outcome when the truth is that places that have the highest concentration of people who who are favorable to him in power have the HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT RATEs. Go see the University of Wisconsin Urban Institute study on Black male unemployment. Tell me if YOU see a pattern."

Oh really.

Then tell me oh white ass-kisser supreme why the poorest and most backward states who get the most federal governement assistence are all red and VOTE REPUBLICAN?????

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest-income_counties_in_the_United_States

alicia banks said...

cf:

dwhwb could not care less about the trillions hobama has spent and gifted to his banker posse pals...

like all hobama nazis, dwhwb is content to just usuelessly bash gwb until 2016

hobama love and blind patriotism have morphed into collective suicide

shame!!!

Constructive Feedback said...

HEY FILLED NEGRO!!!!!

I feel used by you.
I know you keep up with mess all over the bloggesphere.

WHY didn't you tell us about how Black females are pissed at MSNBC for their handling of comments that offended them from one of their on-air hosts?

http://www.whataboutourdaughters.com/2010/03/phil-griffin-monday-part-deaux-celebrate-msnbcs-silence-with-noise/

MSNBC Host Toure talking about Black Females during Slavery Time:

.....Some were cunning and brilliant enough to use their bodies to gain liberation thus fooling mass.


Of course most were raped, we know that, but some were sharp enough to trade the good-good for status or liberation

They are absolutely not 'ho's'. They're sexually heroic. They're self-liberating by any means necessary

So, the white penis should've gotten an Image Award this weekend? [Funny but no]\

I've been in yoga class for the last while. My counsin (Phd Student/insane mf) used my Blackberry to screw with y'all. Foot, meet his ass.


This sounds like something that WhiteBowieSteve would type!!!!

Who DOESN'T have a PASSWORD PIN on their Blackberry?

The ole "My Uncle Tom Cousin did it, not me" line.

BRILLIANT.

uptownsteve said...

"The truth is that the year 1998 was the GREATEST year for JOB LOSSES DUE TO DOWNSIZING in the past 20 years AT THAT TIME. (To clarify for Steve - that means between 1978 and 1998"

I'm calling bullshit.

Prove this CF.

Watch this fraud disappear.

alicia banks said...

cf:

ditto!

toure is a rabid dl legally wed oj fool

but

this is proof that hobama nazi zone in on the sins of fox news only as if they are sonwhow unique

dwhwb will be asleep and adoring hobama until he loses his lawn stars in this video:

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/videos/tags/picture+the+homeless/

Constructive Feedback said...

Thank you WhiteBowieSteve.

You now have a decision to make. You either DISCREDIT "SocialistWorker.org" web site or AGREE that the Clinton boom was a smokescreen:

http://socialistworker.org/2003-2/479/479_06_AmericanNightmare.shtml

Article from the year 2003!!!

[quote]The ongoing destruction of the kind of decent-paying jobs that gave workers the hope that they and their families would enjoy a better way of life didn't begin with the Bush years. This was a theme even in the "best of times"--the long economic expansion of the Clinton years, known to the corporate media as the 1990s "miracle economy."

In 1998, as the boom was reaching its high point, corporate layoffs also hit the highest level in a decade--higher even than the recession years of the early 1990s. As the Minneapolis Star Tribune put it: "Layoffs used to be a sign of bad times in Corporate America. These days, job cuts are a signal that good times aren't good enough."

Bill Clinton never tired of boasting of the millions of new jobs created during the '90s, even as Corporate America was swinging the layoff ax. But according to a study by the Jobs with Justice union coalition, 74 percent of the jobs that grew fastest in the 1990s paid less than a living wage--and 46 percent of them paid less than half a living wage. Even in the midst of the "miracle" economy, it was possible to work two and even three of these "McJobs"--and still not earn enough to lift a family out of poverty.
[/quote]

alicia banks said...

preach cf!

and MOST of the jobs lost under hobama and his wilding corp pals/swindleus spenders will never return!!!

that is one more thing the hobama nazis think is really ok

Simple supply and demand -- more people seeking jobs than there are openings -- means wages are under pressure, too. Indeed, for the 80% of the private workforce which is non-professional and non-supervisory, wages are 9% lower than they were in 1973, once the numbers are adjusted for inflation.

To some observers, temporary positions simply transfer the risks from the employer to the employees. From the point of view of companies facing intense global competition, however, temp and freelance jobs are simply reflections of the new reality: All business is contingent and nothing is guaranteed to last.

While it is tempting to yearn for "the good old days," it seems that the global economy leaves us little choice but an insecure work environment which favors flexibility and continuous upgrading of skills.

See full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/b6WGKK

Constructive Feedback said...

Filled Negro:

The ball is in your court regarding Toure.

Are you going to allow his comments made in THIS interview go unchallenged?
If his "cousin" did the Blackberry Tweets then why is he now defending the comments?

Come on Filled Negro - at least find a job for Toure on FoxNews or something.

http://www.theroot.com/views/truth-about-white-masters-black-mistresses-and-tour?page=0,1

The Truth About White Masters, Black Mistresses and Touré
A conversation with Dolen Perkins-Valdez about "Wench," her recent historical novel about enslaved mistresses, the writer Touré's controversial comments about slaves sexing their way to freedom and what it all says about interracial relationships today.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Steve, thanks for your response. So you were uncomfortable with the notion but couldn't see the alternatives, which is why you reluctantly supported the bailouts. Right? Against. Your. Better. Judgment. Because we were all swindled.

YES we should have let the banks fail. Big time. There were literally THOUSANDS of FDIC insured banks out there and to let a few big ones fail would not have caused riots in the streets. Businesses come and go. Some thrive and some fail miserably. It isn't the governments' job to Bail out a failing business due to poor management choices on the part of the business!

The banks that made lousy investments, grooved to no doc/liars loans, gave credit to folks who hadn't a prayer of paying the loans back due to lack of means etc etc etc SHOULD have not only been allowed to fail, their executives should have stood trial for defrauding the American people.

Our President is suspicious to me for many reasons, but one big reason is the fact that he appointed folks responsible for the banking crisis to positions of fiduciary responsibility, which makes no sense whatsoever. Notice that although the money was given to the banks, the unemployment rate has actually INCREASED. And quietly the IRS has excused Citibank of any tax liability for 2009. Yet they are on my ass for $645.00! Seriously there is something wrong with this picture!

Anonymous said...

more sad news today from America's most liberal city.

The former Director of Detroit Public Schools Department of Risk Management used his position to funnel $57 Million to associates who provided nothing to the school district in return.

$57 million, from a school system in utter shambles!

Documents in a Wayne County Circuit Court lawsuit brought by DPS allege that Stephen Hill of Detroit -- director of DPS risk management from 2001-05 -- received luxury vehicles and other kickbacks. Some of the vendors who benefitted were friends or associates of Hill's or relatives of Hill's assistant, Christina Polk-Osumah of Detroit, court records allege.

When Hill left the district in September 2005, he received a champagne-and-tenderloin farewell bash that cost the impoverished school system $40,000, according to the suit.

You didn't really think Monica Conyers and Kwame Kilpatrick's were aberrations, did you? This is not a black or white thing; it is a liberal thing. Corruption is not a side-effect of progressive left government, corruption is the point of progressive left government. Why do you think the progressives are so eager to get their meat-hooks into health care?

Bob said...

Show me an organized radical, violent left in America. Move On? Kos? Unitarians? The voters in Vermont who elected Sen. Bernie Sanders? Forget about Che. Che is nobody in America, a tattered wall poster from the Sixties. Whatever there is, it is dwarfed by fascist militias, empowered by the loose, reckless talk of multi-millionaire entertainers on FOX & their cowardly Republican enablers.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Our President is suspicious to me for many reasons, but one big reason is the fact that he appointed folks responsible for the banking crisis to positions of fiduciary responsibility, which makes no sense whatsoever.[/quote]

M:

WHO did you think he was going to put in to these positions?

* Cynthia McKinney
* Amy Goodman
* Juliane Malveaux
and
* Boyce Watkins?

(Sorry AB - I still am a conservative and thus I still bite. :-) Judge me by the averages )

M. Rigmaiden said...

CF I didn't think he'd chose any of the people on your list for certain. Frankly whoever he chose should have been somebody who knew about economics and was fairly objective when discussing these issues.

He should have taken a professor who did their thesis on the collapsing economy with some suggestion; SUGGESTIONS for improvement over our current banking structure.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Show me an organized radical, violent left in America. Move On? Kos? Unitarians? [/quote]

BOB - If you don't learn ANYTHING from me -.......PLEASE LEARN THIS!!!

One of the most POWERFUL privileges available in America is the POWER to "LABEL".

Thus some people have the POWER to call a "MURDER" a CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION while others have the POWER to label it as "another Negro who got himself KILT" - NO BIG DEAL.


What you fail to see is that the ORGANIZED GANGS that have been so DEADLY to the Black community, while not POLITICAL entities are DEADLY NONE THE LESS.

Look at their PRODUCT: Anarchical music and videos.

I was in a bar a few years ago with friends and I saw the rapper Trick Daddy's video where he was in a car chase and the POLICE were the bad guys. HE was the Hero. This sends MESSAGES to the people who watch.

Yet the DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT recruit these FOOLS to come on stage with them to TROLL FOR Black and Youth vote.

Go get the "American Gangster" episode featuring Larry Hoover. His gang the "Vice Lords"(?) spread from Chicago to Minneapolis and Milwaukee and THEN took over the streets in between.

You can't tell me that there is NOT an affinity between "The Least Of These" who are struggling to make a living and the POVERTY BASED POLITICIANS who seek to co-opt their messages for the benefit of Progressive politics.

OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!!!

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]who knew about economics and was fairly objective when discussing these issues.[/quote]

Malveaux and Watkins BOTH have PhDs in economics.

As for them being "voodoo" I will not make such editorial assumptions.


To be honest with you - when I heard Democracy Now hammering against Obama's Finance team I know that their favored replacements would be FAR, FAR, FAR more leftist than my liking permits me to support.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Bob, the guy that is the subject of this post was nutty but part of the left. Actually you needn't go far to see leftists asses who use violence. Go to any pro life event in San Francisco and be prepared to literally be beaten, spat upon and shat upon. No lie. Militant San Francisco vegans can be violent too. This one chick questioned the vegan diet's healthfulness and environmental impact over time and they threw chili pepper pies IN HER FACE. That is violent. There are extremists on both sides of the aisle.

M. Rigmaiden said...

"Malveaux and Watkins BOTH have PhDs in economics."CF

That may be CF but they certainly aren't objective, which is the operating point I was trying to make. Whoever is in a position of financial responsibility must be totally above board. They should pay their taxes, they should not have any fraud or theft records at all, and they should be objective enough to make policy recommendations without referring to their political camps.

This is why whoever he chose should NOT have been active in any aspect of politics because that sort of clouds sound judgment.

Even UT Steve admitted that he wasn't comfortable with the TARP bailouts but supported them because he didn't know the alternative. I KNOW there are alternatives to the folks Obama has put in financial and regulatory positions. They aren't the only ones with PhD's in economics!

M. Rigmaiden said...

And CF so what if a Trick Daddy video depicted police as bad guys. From his perspective, they likely ARE bad guys! Shit! Anytime some asshole can pull a gun on the MOTHER of a small child, then that has crossed the line. Screw them; they have never really done a damned thing to help me and mine, except the deacon who baptized me;) When you really need help, they are all magically busy. But if you mind your own business they will be the first to bother you.

I was sitting outside of my parents house on THEIR property a few years ago smoking a cigarette. These cops came to deal with the neighbors across the street. Anyway one of the cops tried to give ME shit for minding my own business on PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I am getting pissed writing this. Screw the police they are nothing but powermongering jerks.
And if anyone knows a decent police officer, welcome to the land of statistical anomalies.

Anonymous said...

CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK - If you don't learn ANYTHING from me -.......PLEASE LEARN THIS!!!

One of the most POWERFUL privileges available in America is the POWER to "LABEL".

Thus some people have the POWER to call a "TEA PARTY REVOLUTION" a GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO BACK TO THE 1860'S while others have the POWER to label it as "ANOTHER PETER PRINCIPLED STAY AT HOME EX-GOVERNOR WHO HAS DUPED AN ENTIRE DEMOGRAPHIC" - NO BIG DEAL.


What you fail to see is that the ORGANIZED MOVEMENTS that have been so DAMAGING to the CONSERVATIVE community, while not SERIOUS POLITICAL entities are DESTRUCTIVE, NONETHELESS.

Look at their PRODUCT: Anarchical music and videos.

I was in a bar a few years ago with friends and I saw the AMERICA WORKS video where he was in a car chase and the FBI/ATF were the bad guys. HE was the Hero. This sends MESSAGES to the people who watch.

Yet the REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT recruit these FOOLS to come on stage with them to TROLL FOR White and Senior vote.

Go get the "Frontline" episode featuring Lee Atwater. His gang the "GOP" spread from Maine to California and Texas and THEN took over the hamlets and villes in between.

You can't tell me that there is NOT an affinity between "The Truly Least Of These" who are struggling to make a living and the GRIEVANCE BASED POLITICIANS who seek to co-opt their messages for the benefit of Conservative politics.

OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!!!

JohnCrow said...

ANon said:

Fontova also notes that today the prison population in Stalinist/Apartheid Cuba is 90% black while only 9% of the ruling Stalinist party is black.

Whats your point? Close to 90% (as of 1995) of the prison population in America is black.And there are less that a hundred black representatives in Congress.And black could not vote until 1964. Oh yeah and that "right" is not guaranteed it has to be "renewed" every couple of years. So in the great Capitalist Democracy if there are enough votes they can repeal blacks right to vote

Che was a racist

Really no shit. Almost Every mullato/white (Che allegedly of Spanish Basque and Irish background) in South America is a damn racist.Its ingrained in the culture blacks and indians are considered the bottom of the racial table in South America and it been that way since the 17th century onwards.It not a left or right thing its cultural

Humberto Fontova

Fontova is intellectual hack that presents "hearsay" as "evidence".Quoting anything from Fontova show how gullible you are.I bet you believe Glenn Beck when say Hitler was a "leftist Progressive".

maria said...

M. Rigmaiden said...
Bob, the guy that is the subject of this post was nutty but part of the left. Actually you needn't go far to see leftists asses who use violence. Go to any pro life event in San Francisco and be prepared to literally be beaten, spat upon and shat upon. No lie. Militant San Francisco vegans can be violent too. This one chick questioned the vegan diet's healthfulness and environmental impact over time and they threw chili pepper pies IN HER FACE. That is violent. There are extremists on both sides of the aisle.

bullshit he's "from the left."

he is a raving lunatic and anti-semite.

like the guy who flew his plane was "from the left?" you can't ascribe people to "from the left" just because they're nuts. he donated to obama's campaign--so have lots of people. i'm putting this out there, yes. it means nothing. mllions of people did. it could turn out he also gave to mccain. who knows.

there is no left establishment that would claim or embrace either person.

let me see: pepper spray vs. guns.

huh!
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/89491227.html?viewAll=y

Anonymous said...

"MSNBC Host Toure talking about Black Females during Slavery Time:

.....Some were cunning and brilliant enough to use their bodies to gain liberation thus fooling mass."

The thing that no one seems to want to address is that SOME (we will never know how many) black female slaves did exactly what Toure said. And what if they did? They did what they had to do IF they wanted to be free during those times.

maria said...

also, ms. christian, tobacco-smoking, ardent-prolifer: yesterday (or today) you were condoning violence against the police. that's appalling hypocrisy, esp. contrasted with your comments claiming the "left" is violent!

Jazzy said...

Damn FN at least you've got them motivated.LOL

M. Rigmaiden said...

Maria, FN characterized this guy as from the left. I simply was repeating that. Whether someone is left or right depends upon their purported political views. The guy who flew his plane into the IRS building seemed more like a tax protesting libertarian which fiscally tend to be more on the right side. There are nutjobs in every ideology.

uptownsteve said...

The difference is that conservatism is a nutjob ideology.

Especially for black folks.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Maria you are really trippin. I NEVER have advocated violence against the police at all. But I certainly do not like the police and have suffered from abuses at their hands. I have a right to my opinion and won't back down from that. And I quit smoking cigarettes when I found out I was pregnant with my son in late 2007. So what is your point?


You are intentionally putting words in my mouth and saying that I've advocated violence and nothing could be further from the truth. Saying 'fuck em' to police is not the same as advocating murdering them.

And like i said earlier I didn't characterize that nutty guy as being from the left. FN did and I just repeated it. Again you are being rude. You don't have to be to rude to engage me or anyone else.

alicia banks said...

cf:

only the ab haters whom i slay slander me as someone who cannot agree to disagree...

i respect you as a sane traditional conservative thinker always...i share many traditional
beliefs re marriage/monogamy/parenting/education etc....

fyi:
i love cythina m and julianne m
amy g is cool
but
boyce w is a rabid hobama nazi
and a sexist tiger fan...

so we agree to disagree yet again

please feel free to attack anyone i admire as u see fit...especially if it will help u to pulverize dwhwb as u have been doing superbly all day...

carry on bro!!!

Anonymous said...

JohnCrow said...
ANon said:

Fontova also notes that today the prison population in Stalinist/Apartheid Cuba is 90% black while only 9% of the ruling Stalinist party is black.

"Whats your point? Close to 90% (as of 1995) of the prison population in America is black.And there are less that a hundred black representatives in Congress.And black could not vote until 1964. Oh yeah and that "right" is not guaranteed it has to be "renewed" every couple of years. So in the great Capitalist Democracy if there are enough votes they can repeal blacks right to vote"

I know you can't fix stupid, but I'll try. The racial composition of the US prison and jail population as of 2008 was 40.21% African American. Blacks make up 10% of the House of Representatives. In the US, blacks are 12% of the population; in Cuba, 11%.


Black have had the right to vote since 1868, with the passage of the 14th ammendnment. Due to local laws that interferred with blacks exercising their right to vote, congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that struck down barriers to black enfranchisement. This act facilitates enforcement of the 14th ammendment; No one's voting rights are contingent on its existence.

This is acommon bit of misinformation bandied about by idiots like Whoopi Goldberg.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Steve, I disagree. I think that we should really get away from using these types of terms because it could be argued that the Great Society programmes crippled lower income Blacks and made them dependent on the government; a government that was historically ambivalent to them. The truth is that any ideology that runs counter to the needs of people is wrong. I don't care what label you put on it.

alicia banks said...

maria:

ditto

it WAS violence against all homos/lesbian kids in ms/degraded needy sickly homos at her church ETC that mroctalooon condoned LEGALLY as always!!!....

she is the poster girl for hypochristian buybull toting homohating vulgar lying moronic circular insincere phony bs herein...along with her evil twisted trifling twin the demonic damned dimwitted demented dicedicyicy!!!

Anonymous said...

is that punk Mellaneous wfemale lovin hypocritin still around, that dumb ass.

alicia banks said...

cf:

ps

i have never had a problem with conservatives

i despise NEOcons exclusively as they bastardize conservative views under the guise of hatred/sexism/racism/homohatred/
elitism/amorality etc as moral LAW...just like that holy neocon mroctaloon and her pet nincompoop
dicedicicy!!!

conservatives like you are as UNLIKE neocons as evil perps mroctaloon/dicedicyicy are as UNLIKE authentic holy christians like bishop tutu/mell

peace my conservative bro!

maria said...

well, if it wasn't you who said you didn't feel too bad when you first heard it was the cops that the christian militia were targeting, then i apologize.

but i am pretty sure it WAS you.

alicia banks said...

dwhwb:


the degree of your arrogant ignorance is astounding:

"Welfare as we knew it was ended over 12 years ago and the rolls were slashed drastically so why are we even having this conversation?"

wtf??????

you rabid blind hobama nazis really believe the recovery is real and providing feasts for all....shame!!!!

millions more people are on welfare than ever before!!!

even so many rich people that the name of food stamps/ebt cards were changed to ease their elitist psychic pain

wake up!!!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bb05f54860e.html

http://www.kidk.com/news/84648267.html

uptownsteve said...

AB

You are forcing me to make you look sillier than you manage to do on your own.

Welfare Aid Isn’t Growing as Economy Drops Off

"WASHINGTON — Despite soaring unemployment and the worst economic crisis in decades, 18 states cut their welfare rolls last year, and nationally the number of people receiving cash assistance remained at or near the lowest in more than 40 years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/02/us/02welfare.html

alicia banks said...

dwhwb:

all those poor lonely single/divorced moms you love to laugh & joke about....how do you think most are feeding their kids solo????

wake up!!!

Food stamps are a Department of Agriculture program for low-income individuals and families, covering most foods although not prepared hot foods or alcohol. For a family of four to be eligible, their annual take-home pay can’t exceed about $22,000.

According to a USDA report released last month, 28.4 million Americans received food stamps in an average month in 2008, and about half were younger than age 18. The average monthly benefit per household totaled $222.

Rank and Cornell University sociologist Thomas Hirschl studied data from a nationally representative survey of 4,800 American households interviewed annually from 1968 through 1997 by the University of Michigan. About 18,000 adults and children were involved.

Overall, about 49 percent of all children were on food stamps at some point by the age of 20, the analysis found. That includes 90 percent of black children and 37 percent of whites. The analysis didn’t include other ethnic groups.



http://newsone.com/nation/associated-press/studys-says-90-of-black-children-will-be-on-food-stamps/

alicia banks said...

dwhwb:

omg

you just jumped to the top of the heap of masochistic hobama nazis!!

___

cf:

did u see darky?

he actually praised the govt for ignoring starving people

he actually thinks it is a good thing that as 28 million MORE jobless homeless america will SOON need food stamps, bankrupt states will not give them any

this is why i call hungry fools hobama nazis!!!!!!

JohnCrow said...

M. Rigmaiden said:

Screw the police they are nothing but powermongering jerks.
And if anyone knows a decent police officer, welcome to the land of statistical anomalies.


Co- Signed

Anonymous said...

Anybody seen Meandmymicrospope (MMM), she hadn't been around for a while. There's some new stem cell research going on in her area, I wonder if she's partaking in the event. I hope everything is ok with her and her family and all.

alicia banks said...

dwhwb:

got literacy?????????

"Welfare Aid Isn’t Growing as Economy Drops Off"

translation FOOL!:

"HOBAMA TELLS HIS NEWLY HUNGRY HOMELESS FANS: DO NOT ASK ME FOR *HIT!!! THERE WILL BE NO HOPE & NO CHANGE FOR YOU!!!"

JohnCrow said...

AB said:

cf:

ps

i have never had a problem with conservatives


So you have never had problem with with a political thought that sees homosexual as the destruction of the fabric of America, and that has fought "tooth and nail" to ensure that the term "gay rights" becomes an oxymoron in America?

Some faggot you are.

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 2:19. LOL, MMM, nice try.

uptownsteve said...

AB

Face it, you've been publicly punked.

YOU SAID:

"millions more people are on welfare than ever before!!!"

Welfare at it's height gave cash assistance to 14 million people.

Today that number is less than 4 million.

OOPS!

M. Rigmaiden said...

"it WAS violence against all homos/lesbian kids in ms/degraded needy sickly homos at her church ETC that mroctalooon condoned LEGALLY as always!!!"ab

You are acting in a dishonest, disingenuous and hypocritical fashion Alicia. I don't appreciate you disparaging the very good works my childhood church has done with AIDS victims no matter how they contracted the disease.

Don't mislabel a decent charitable organization that has done more to help sick and dying Aids patients then you ever could!


As far as advocating violence against people in your lifestyle, that is an out and out lie and you know it.

You have beat this dead horse one times too many. Get over it.

alicia banks said...

mrgayjamaican:

you are a quasi illiterate bloodclot fool raggamuffin!

got english as a second language rude undercover batty boi????

look up the meaning of "faggot" you sand nigger idiot

and thanks for being textbook exhibit a for how neocon fools degrade authentic conservatives!!!

ie

cons want the govt out of my life

neocons want the govt to exclusively police my bedroom and solely ban my marriage
while legally wed dl gays like you sex your top men down while your clueless wife is at wk!!!!

nahmean?????

Anonymous said...

@ Anon 2:19. LOL, MMM, nice try.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

No dumb ass I ain't MMM, Fuck You!! I was only asking about her cause she's not been around for a while and she always have good stuff to say, but you don't dumb ass LOL!!!!!

M. Rigmaiden said...

Actually Steve, you are ascribing beliefs to me that make little sense. You imply that the Great society programmes would not have been needed if the free market wasn't rife with inequalities. I maintain that the Great society programmes were rooted in a wonderful premise; help those who are in need. The problem I have is how many of the programmes were implemented. I also believe that we've never ever had a truly free market economy precisely because of inequality of opportunity.

In any event now, we live in an oligarchy where there is no free market.

---------------------------------


Maria you know that saying you don't feel bad about policemen getting ambushed is a lot different then advocating violence. You are just reaching to vilify me.

alicia banks said...

anon:

i miss mamm too!

assnon is someone she slew...bet!

JohnCrow said...

AB said:
look up the meaning of "faggot" you sand nigger idiot

I look it up and saw your picture FAGGOT

A sand nigger is defined by white supremacy blog Stormfront as being an a "subhuman racial class commonly identified a Arabs".

And you call me an idiot.

Apparently all those parasites from your white bitch "dykefriend" ass has affected your brain after giving her all those rimjobs.

Now be a good little homofascist house negro faggot and go stick your tongue in your white bitch's ass and STFU!!!!

uptownsteve said...

MR

I just don't follow the rightwing thinking that Great Society programs "crippled" poor black folks.

If there were decent paying jobs available for them you really believe that people would have chosen to collect welfare?

Daniel P. Moynihan wrote his inner city thesis "The Crisis of the Negro Family" in 1965 which was the dawn of the Great Society so how could the Great Society have broken the urban black family when the problems were obvious beforehand?

The deindustrialization of urban America and the loss of low skill good paying jobs, the flight of the middle class tax base, the influx of addictive illicit drugs and the sexual revolution all formed together in a Perfect Storm to create the urban underclass we see today.

Anonymous said...

JC, your momma is a wbitch no?

Anonymous said...

anon1:47,
and I guess idiots like Fannie Lou Hamer. She passed the damn test which the local law required and still couldn't vote.

I guess you think Blacks would have been able to overcome those local laws without the Voting Rights Act. Its only been forty years and you think attitudes change that quickly. Forty years hasn't been enough time for you.

You are an example, with your snarky-assed attitude, of a person who would be in the front of line to vote to reinstate those old laws as soon as the Voting Rights Act expired.

Anonymous said...

Eveytine AB comes around, the thread goes to po.

JohnCrow said...

AB said:

JC, your momma is a wbitch no?


No actually she is GERMAN :)

A Person of Interest said...

"JohnCrow said...

Some faggot you are."


Actually, J. Crow, I find AB to be a faggot extraordinaire.

And, AB...don't bother to tell me to "look it up". I know the word I'm using, and the exact sense I intend it to be used.

Here's a link for you, buzzard breath: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)

alicia banks said...

justclowninghisdlassoff:

only a closet foggot would literally foam at the mouth while jerking off as you do every time you discuss homos herein

NO HET MAN GETS THAT AROUSED WITH SUCH GAYBASHING IDIOCY BOI...GWONE AND CLIMB UP OUT YOUR CLOSET AND GET IRIE BITCH!!!!

broke island niggers like you are ganja smoking sand niggers too

but lesbians are never faggots bottom bitch moron!!!!!!

i have never had sex with or even dated a wf and i GUARANTEE that a lost miss american anne chasing undocumented oj mf like you cannot say the same!!!

my wife is a femme african queen clone and BOTH of us are more man than a closet faggot bitch made illegal alien mf like you will ever be!!!!

homosexuality s genetic ya know!
so go ask your mama if your dl daddy can tell u more...

Hathor said...
This comment has been removed by the author.
Hathor said...

the first anon2:41 was me, Hathor

For some reason I was having a problem posting and I forgot to sign post.

alicia banks said...

justclowinghisfaggotassoff:

i can always count on this flaming jamaican fag to set off his fellow vulgar moron

aperpetualfecalfanaticoi

u only chirp up when the convo has degraded into the gutter where u dwell

i get that
but
keep your fat nasty ass away now boy
i am busy with your ganja smoking bitch assed aids infested cuz

JohnCrow said...

AB said:

i have never had sex with or even dated a wf

Sure...and the earth is flat.Spare me you homofascist house negro fag.

Anonymous said...

why would a wf want to have sex with he likes of AB firby troll?

Anonymous said...

scratch that... why would anybody want to have sex with AB?

alicia banks said...

justagayjamaicanclown:


so u worship hobama because his motther was a jungle fevered whore like your own...i get the bond!!!

u bettamust know dis:

unlike your black deadbeat daddy, i love my mother's regal black beauty and ONLY date fellow african queens

but an international maniacal dl mulatto reject like you ASSUMES that everyone chases white women the way u and your daddy do because you have been trying to climb back up inside a lice infested cave bitch since the day your diseased mom spit u out

got VD deja vu batty boi??????

Anonymous said...

it's a furby, dumb ass

JohnCrow said...

Person of Interest said:

Actually, J. Crow, I find AB to be a faggot extraordinaire.

Careful the crazy homofascist faggot might take it as a compliment.

alicia banks said...

justajamaicanbeachBUMbloodclotbottom:

ONLY oj clones like you actually find it impossible to believe that every black nigger on the planet does not chase white women as you do...

your oj daddy taught u that when he left your defected seed in that cave bitch that is your mom

____

assnons are liars
scan up!!!
the fagit jamaicans and aperpetuallyvulgaranalfanoi
degraded this convo as always with their typical xxx homosexed bs!!!

alicia banks said...

assnons are psycho plushies who covet me as a furby the way that fat nasty fag
aperpetualtoysmasheroi covets plastic toy boy dolls!

alicia banks said...

justanothermfwithnogreencard:

"homofascist" = slayer of homohating/self-loathing gaybashing sand nigger oj clones with cave bitch mammies and big black butch dl stud lovers

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