Will you Negroes stop it with the Brandy "was robbed" talk. Look, there is already one of you Negroes in the Dancing With The Stars finals. A-merry-ca has met her Negro quota. So relax, it could have been worse. Besides this is Sarah Palin's daughter we are talking about. The possible future first daughter of these divided states. What else did you expect?
And speaking of Palin's daughters, it looks like one of her other daughters, Willow, went a little nuts on Facebook recently.
"Willow Palin, the 16-year-old daughter of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, wrote multiple Facebook posts containing homophobic slurs such as "faggot" on Sunday night, according to TMZ.
The web site reports that Palin's teenage daughter wrote the comments on Sunday night, when her mother's television show "Sarah Palin's Alaska" premiered on TLC. According to TMZ, a classmate of one of Palin's children published a Facebook update claiming that the show "is failing so hard right now."
Willow Palin reportedly unloaded on the student, calling him "so gay" and "such a faggot." She later demanded that the student "quit talkin shit about my family." According to screenshots obtained by TMZ, the 16-year-old called another commenter on the Facebook thread a "low life loser" and lashed out at multiple others, writing, "Sorry that all you guys are jealous of my families success and you guys aren't goin to go anywhere with your lives." [Article]
Classy folks those Palins. "Oh field, leave her alone, the child is only 16, this is what kids do."
Yes, but ask yourself this question: had this been one of the president's daughters what do you think the reaction would be? Just think about that one for awhile.
Finally, you have got to love these wingnuts. They give a whole new meaning to the word hypocrite. I give you representative Andy Harris of Maryland as my exhibit A. Seems my man ran on repealing "Obamacare", but now is demanding to get his government health coverage without having to wait 28 days. God forbid he goes without health coverage for 28 days!
"He stood up and asked the two ladies who were answering questions why it had to take so long, what he would do without 28 days of health care," a congressional staffer present at a freshman orientation session told Politico of Harris's reaction to news that his health care benefits wouldn't go into effect until nearly a month after his swearing in."
And speaking of Palin's daughters, it looks like one of her other daughters, Willow, went a little nuts on Facebook recently.
"Willow Palin, the 16-year-old daughter of former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, wrote multiple Facebook posts containing homophobic slurs such as "faggot" on Sunday night, according to TMZ.
The web site reports that Palin's teenage daughter wrote the comments on Sunday night, when her mother's television show "Sarah Palin's Alaska" premiered on TLC. According to TMZ, a classmate of one of Palin's children published a Facebook update claiming that the show "is failing so hard right now."
Willow Palin reportedly unloaded on the student, calling him "so gay" and "such a faggot." She later demanded that the student "quit talkin shit about my family." According to screenshots obtained by TMZ, the 16-year-old called another commenter on the Facebook thread a "low life loser" and lashed out at multiple others, writing, "Sorry that all you guys are jealous of my families success and you guys aren't goin to go anywhere with your lives." [Article]
Classy folks those Palins. "Oh field, leave her alone, the child is only 16, this is what kids do."
Yes, but ask yourself this question: had this been one of the president's daughters what do you think the reaction would be? Just think about that one for awhile.
Finally, you have got to love these wingnuts. They give a whole new meaning to the word hypocrite. I give you representative Andy Harris of Maryland as my exhibit A. Seems my man ran on repealing "Obamacare", but now is demanding to get his government health coverage without having to wait 28 days. God forbid he goes without health coverage for 28 days!
"He stood up and asked the two ladies who were answering questions why it had to take so long, what he would do without 28 days of health care," a congressional staffer present at a freshman orientation session told Politico of Harris's reaction to news that his health care benefits wouldn't go into effect until nearly a month after his swearing in."
Now do you understand why I am going to enjoy the next two years? There is just so much material for a blogger these days.
184 comments:
The Clampetts are coming to Washington.
With the full help of the American media.
Why is everybody on Palins' family like that? The girl is a dumb teenager without any sense. This is not really news is it?
And a few months ago all the hullabuloo surrounding Glen Beck or somebody attacking our President's children was warranted! Let children be children able to make mistakes and screw up without being under the eye of the paparazzi and the mainstream media. Seriously they need to leave these kids alone!
I could give a damn what so and so's kids are doing so long as they aren't harming me and mine. And NOBODY can make a teenager behave unless the teen is receptive. Those are called knucklehead years for a reason;)
And Steve, the American people will get the leadership they DESERVE for good or for ill.
MR
"Why is everybody on Palins' family like that?"
Because they're all over the media loving the attention.
This is unbelievable.
If this was a black politician with a teenage baby momma daughter and another hurling slurs over Facebook, can you imagine what would be said by the talking heads?
Not just about that family but the black community in general.
You really belive that we DESERVE the Palins?
Is this Andy Harris' first job?
Oh I agree, even though they are accelerating the demise of this country it's so funny when Republicans are in charge. Maybe we can learn how dinosaurs and humans peacefully co-existed and how God promised not to flood the world again so global warming has to be a hoax. Comedy gold, how we got to be a great nation I will never understand.
Maybe Willow will someday understand that if your family engages in "reality TV", then they are fair game for any and all "shit talking". Then again, maybe not. The Palin's are swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool.
As for Andy Harris, the only thing that would be more ironic would be if he were denied coverage for a pre-existing condition.
I agree, Field, the next few years are going to be a blogger's paradise.
You really belive that we DESERVE the Palins?Steve
No! I never said that either. I just think its tacky to talk mess about peoples families especially dumb teenagers whose judgment has been the downfall of civilizations!
Believe it or not, Field, Andy Harris is/was a medical physician!
He's a real card! His campaign commercials largely focused on lashing - with a binding cord - his Democratic opponent to Nancy Pelosi. (He ran against this same opponent two years ago and lost.) Guess he upped his game this time.
"Dr. Harris is a practicing obstetric anesthesiologist at Johns Hopkins Hospital and three hospitals on the eastern shore. He said, “Taking care of patients in a wide variety of situations has given me a unique perspective on what we need to do on health care reform.”
He has said, " “On the topics of health care and national security, I have some familiarity with the armed forces with my military service and with the ongoing health care debate as a physician.”
http://www.examiner.com/county-republican-in-baltimore/candidate-profile-dr-andy-harris-for-u-s-congress
Andy Harris is just another creepy crawly that washed up in the Republican wave. His hypocrisy is crass, but typical of his kind. Any wingnut demanding the repeal of this very weak health care plan should also be required to give up the good government health care they get as members of congress.
More wingnut hypocrisy: "Dancing with the Stars";the worst dancer on the show advances not based on merit, but on political priviledge. Once again, imagine if the situation was reversed; Brandy would be vilified for the next several 24-hour cycles on Fake News as some kind of beneficiary of "reverse racism".
I could understand this dude's frustration:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/man-shoots-tv-over-bristol-palin-dancing
Ernesto said ..., "Andy Harris is just another creepy crawly that washed up in the Republican wave. His hypocrisy is crass, but typical of his kind. Any wingnut demanding the repeal of this very weak health care plan should also be required to give up the good government health care they get as members of congress."
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Agreed! And he's coming in with the entitlement attitude. Typical!
Pierced, Ernesto, et al. you must admit that the irony is rich with Mr. Harrs.
M Rigmaiden, is it kind of tacky to attack little Ms. Palin? Yes, maybe it is.But you know what; I am not a one of these high road bloggers when it comes to this kind of stuff. -An eye for an eye as far as I am concerned.- Didn't Beckkk make fun of the President's daughter? He did, so f&^% these wingnuts!
"Is this Andy Harris' first job?"
Hathor, let's hope it's his last politcal one.
"The possible future first daughter" LOL!!! Good One Field.
FN: "Yes, but ask yourself this question: had this been one of the president's daughters what do you think the reaction would be? "
You never would have heard the story, the MSM would have buried it immediately.
If you did hear of it, you would be fervently minimizing it as typical teenage behavior. Uptown would be going on and on about how if that happened to a white politician's kid, it would be no big deal, and that white kids do it all the time, blah, blah, blah.
So predictable....
Boaz, I have a beautiful antique bell here in Philly that I am trying to unload. It has a slight crack on the side, but I will let you have it for a very reasonable price.
Sorry, you bought it, the whole load of it, and it's yours buddy.
Pistol dances like she's built of 2x4s and woodscrews; and young Willow, it's said is the real wild child of the brood. http://alaskawtf.com/2010/03/28/willow-palin-the-ringleader-of-palmer-burglaryvandalism/
Luckily for them, her mother's cult takes care of them.
FN that is exactly what I said above; it was TACKY for Boeck to attack the President's children like its tacky for others to attack Palins kids. Leave the kids out of it. Because after a while, we all know that kids will do what they want to do without thinking much for the consequences.
I never liked playing the dozens because I didn't like 'Yo Mama' jokes. Why insult somebody's family? And if the Palin child is acting like a dumbass it'll all fall out in the wash anyway.
I don't believe Palin should be our next President, but I also think its wrong to go after her chirrens!
Field, "M Rigmaiden, is it kind of tacky to attack little Ms. Palin? Yes, maybe it is.But you know what; I am not a one of these high road bloggers when it comes to this kind of stuff. -An eye for an eye as far as I am concerned.- Didn't Beckkk make fun of the President's daughter? He did, so f&^% these wingnuts!"
Field, you are right. You are one of the 'low' road bloggers. And you are one of the best.
Tell me Field, where are all of the classy bm? Is Obama the ONLY one? lol
Willow..No Comment other than I think Sarah just fucked up the whole family once she left the country of Alaska.
All right ya'll I started my own "blog" nothing but rants and raves but check it out. I'm sure I need to make improvements but for now I'm having fun.
http://blackmanjustconfused.blogspot.com/
Hey Field, did you read the latest news what Soros said about Obama? Man, there's a fire trail falling out of the sky and it's Obama.
Better pay attention to what's happening to your folks instead of mindlessly noting what the Palin's teenage daughters are doing.
But I understand. I know it "feels" much better criticizing Palin's teenage daughters than to face what is happening to Obama.
Nah, Faux Snooze wouldn't attack Brandy if the roles were reversed for reverse discrimination, that is so 20th century. Now had she been a Muslim or Western Asian........
I see nothing wrong with Harris questioning why an employee of the government wasn't covered from day 1 of employment. It is odd that one must wait 28 days. And it is doubly strange that there is no provision for the employee to purchase coverage for those 28 days.
It sounds like some of you folks don't understand the health system, let alone Obamacare...but who does? He never bothered to tell the public what it was about.
MR, I feel you about Palin's children, in normal political discourse underage kids should be off limits. The problem is that Sarah Palin purposely used her kids as props for the 2008 election, and will possibly use them again.
I personally couldn't care that a teenager texted a slur on Facebook. She's a kid with a DSL connection - surprise, surprise she's saying childish thing on the web. And I certainly couldn't care less that a washed up politician's knocked up daughter beat out a washed up pop singer on a silly dance show.
What disturbs me is that their mother will use her own children so blatantly for political power and wealth.
Why oh why did John McCain unleash the Palins on America? Does he secretly hate America? What happened to Country First?
The newly elected congressman is complaining about not getting his gubment health care? GMAB! What's sad is that the people who vote for these wingnuts don't or won't see the hypocrisy in these people.
As for DWTS, Bristol Palin is proof positive that teenagers can too get pregnant by their boyfriends, not marry them and live a lavish life. College? Who needs that?
Palin and dumb her kids Brittle and Window needs to take a hike.
I really don't think the Palins are bad. Sarah has more guts than Obama. You black liberal dems are soooo jealous of her that you can't get her out of your cotton picking minds.
"What disturbs me is that their mother will use her own children so blatantly for political power and wealth."
Really LAC, is that what disturbs you? Your concern for the welfare of the Palin children is touching.
LAC, "What disturbs me is that their mother will use her own children so blatantly for political power and wealth."
I don't know who is more full of shit, LAC or Mack Lyons. Btw, what happened to Mack? Did I scare him away?
The word "Fagot" don't have the same sting to it and many like to make it out to be.. Eminem uses it however then again I can relate to the rage of what he is rapping about now excuse me as I yell "Bitch!"
In case no ones noticed cyber-bullying has gotten beyond children will be children.
If this is true, Willow Palin singled out someone she knew and goes to school with, not some anonymous commenter on her facebook page. If this is true we also don't know how far she would take this. If she did would that child's parents be able to get close enough or have access to confronts Willow's parents.
Hopefully, who ever is the care taker parent in this situation will nip this in the bud.
Jibreel Riley,
Perhaps Faggot is not a sting to you, but it does have an effect.
I once mentioned that my son was a visual artist and some anon (adult) had to go on a diatribe about my son being a faggot, etc. I was taken aback by the vitriol they spewed about someone they didn't know. Even though I know that this occurs often on the net, it still was hurtful. If I am the target, I shrug it off.
Hathor u mustve done some goooooooooooooooooood drugs back in the day hon cuz ur brain works in mysterious ways!
M. Rigmaiden said...
FN that is exactly what I said above; it was TACKY for Boeck to attack the President's children like its tacky for others to attack Palins kids. Leave the kids out of it. Because after a while, we all know that kids will do what they want to do without thinking much for the consequences.
I never liked playing the dozens because I didn't like 'Yo Mama' jokes. Why insult somebody's family? And if the Palin child is acting like a dumbass it'll all fall out in the wash anyway.
I don't believe Palin should be our next President, but I also think its wrong to go after her chirrens!
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Oh please. Sarah Palin makes her living by posting on Facebook and Twitter.
Furthermore this just shows how hypocritical conservatives are.
Many conservatives want children tried as adults for certain crimes but they have no problem shrugging of their children's misdeeds.
Willow is headed for trouble yet her momma is too busy soaking up the media spotlight to notice.
Hey Field, did you read the latest news what Soros said about Obama? Man, there's a fire trail falling out of the sky and it's Obama.
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No, unlike you and Glenn Beckkk, I am not obsessed with Georgie porgie. :)
Rottenkid, congrats on the blog, I will check it out. You know you have my support 100%. I love to see new bloggers get into the game.
"Oh please. Sarah Palin makes her living by posting on Facebook and Twitter.
Furthermore this just shows how hypocritical conservatives are.
Many conservatives want children tried as adults for certain crimes but they have no problem shrugging of their children's misdeeds.
Willow is headed for trouble yet her momma is too busy soaking up the media spotlight to notice."
Roderick, where your church at? I want to join.
Sorry, the post above goes against my New Year's resolution.
Word Verification: Stopett (LOL)
No, unlike you and Glenn Beckkk, I am not obsessed with Georgie porgie. :)
Thats not true. You read and constantly post claims from Georgie porgie funded progressive marxist/communist propoganda sites such as moveon.org. Created and payed for by Georgie solely to spread communist talking points.
Furthermore, Beck never made fun of Obamas kids. He made fun of the ridiculous statement Obama made using Malaria in politics when he claimed she said..Daddy did you plug the hole yet? Yeah, that was laughable. So Obamas daughter had the democratic speech writer come up with a catch phrase to ask her dad, right before he went golfing and did nothing about the spill. Then having nothing else, dimocrats spin this as an attack.
As for attacks and then wanting criminals tried as adults. There is a big difference between kids name calling on facebook and someone murdering your family while robbing them.
I did hear about the newly elected Andy Harris' indignation about not receiving his health care w/o a waiting period. How hypocritcal can these people get for God's sake?
As for Bristol, Bob Dylan sang a line in his sad song about Medgar Evers, "(she's) only a pawn in their game."
uptownsteve said...
The Clampetts are coming to Washington.
With the full help of the American media.
The Sanfords are already in washington. BECAUSE of the help of the leftist American Media. Who did everythings in their power to hide who and what Obama was and conspired to get him elected.
ditto fn
parents teach kids to hate
sarah palin is a homohater
so
it is no shock that her kids hate homos too...
ie
i wonder what that dl hobama is teaching his kids about shame and lies
and lesser beings/lesser marriages etc???
AB said,
i wonder what that dl hobama is teaching his kids about shame and lies
and lesser beings/lesser marriages etc???
AB, do you think he will tell them about Larry Sinclair and frank Marshall Davis or will he not want to look BEHIND him ? :)
"The Sanfords are already in washington. BECAUSE of the help of the leftist American Media. Who did everythings in their power to hide who and what Obama was and conspired to get him elected."
And just WHO is the real Obama that you brain-dead righties claim you have the goods on?
An Al-Queada double agent?
A Nation of Islam Minister?
Or an Indonesion terrorist.
No one morons like you look to Palin as an intellectual guide.
Beck NEVER made fun of Obama's kids.
It is thankfully rare on both sides, but when it does happen, it's the liberal side, like David Letterman making jokes about then 14 year-old Willow getting knocked up by the NY Yankees. Classy, right?
UTS: "And just WHO is the real Obama that you brain-dead righties claim you have the goods on?"
He is an underqualified narcissist who despises the nation he was elected to lead. He has pushed massive spending programs on the country at exactly the wrong time, he is crippling the energy and manufacturing sectors of the economy, he is increasing government dependency, he is hastening the demise of the dollar as the global currency.
Whether he is doing this out of malice or more so out of incompetence, we have yet to see, but he will go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever.
anon:
ditto!
i think there will be MUCH hobama never tells them about all of his global evil and gay trysts in chi town etc...
ie i bet his cousins bush and dick c never told their kids about their illegal war in iraq/halliburton/"hanging chads" etc...
shame!!!
see much more on hobama's dl lies via clueless bs from earl ofari hutchinson:
http://aliciabanks.xanga.com
this is why i admire this man steve hodel so...
he is a retired police detective who discovered that his rich revered celeb doctor dad was a serial killer who killed the famed "black dahlia"...and dared to tell the world the truth
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Dahlia-Avenger-True-Story/dp/0061139610/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1290090795&sr=1-4
http://www.stevehodel.com/
even sarah palin is far less evil and inept than hobama
and her resume is thicker too
see the real hobama here:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=130&contentid=6511
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=7194
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=36&contentid=5804
Well at least we know what the rightwing mantra will be over the next two years.
Ass-non's rant will straight from the Tea Party playbook.
Even though it was rightwing policies that crippled the economy (unemployment and the deficit DOUBLED under Bush) and the stimuls package prevented the economy from falling into a full bore depression.
The righties know that the racist and dumbass vote is solidly in their pocket. If they can scare enough independents into voting for them (because they have no plan or agenda other than defeating Obama) Palin has a chance of winning.
These are very dangerous times people.
uptownsteve said...
"The Sanfords are already in washington. BECAUSE of the help of the leftist American Media. Who did everythings in their power to hide who and what Obama was and conspired to get him elected."
And just WHO is the real Obama that you brain-dead righties claim you have the goods on?
An Al-Queada double agent?
A Nation of Islam Minister?
Or an Indonesion terrorist.
No one morons like you look to Palin as an intellectual guide.
No you disengenious dumbass. None of the absolutely crazy examples you try and create a straw argument with. Instead of facing who Obama is and what he has done to this country, you list a bunch of fringe crazy thoughts and then polish it off with how dumb Palin is. Nice try, but no more lefty cigars for ya.
Real simple. He is a simply the worst president this country has ever had. In many ways like you, blaming all the problems on someone else and finger pointing and playing divide and conquer with americans when his incompetance and ability to actually govern versus campaign is required and found wanting the majority of times.
He was a poor Senator who voted "present" or do nothing 129 times and totally unqualified to run a corner bodega let alone the United States.
His marxist/communist/lefty radical/weather underground destroy american for she is evil beliefs have been made clear and become clearer every day. Had they not been buried by the media, his beleifs would never have allowed him to be elected.
Now, go ahead. Tell me how its only racists who dont agree with his policies because only someone who was racist could miss the brilliance of Obama right?
only the most blind hobama nazi fools would dare call these times dangerous because of those who see hobama...
rather than see the TRUE dangers that hobama and his ilk are creating and enacting globally!!!
nothing is more dangerous than rampant unchecked fascism and elitism and the global poverty and rage they evoke!
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CC4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dno5YWKY6eOs&ei=jT3lTJzEMoGclgfBzPHyCw&usg=AFQjCNF75E2D53gCnF2hYobS0jbpQY4RIw
hobama's only beliefs are money and war...
radicals/liberals do not starve poor people to pay banksters
uptownsteve said...."These are very dangerous times people"
They sure are, we as a nation have a leader whose agenda places his own self-aggrandizement ahead of the interests of the country. It will not be easy to get through the next two years without suffering further massive damage.
But soon, it will be a dangerous place for all the Marxist rats and cockroaches who have scurried out of hiding in this time of darkness. When the lights come on, it will be time to start stompin'.
Yee-hah.
uptownsteve said...
Well at least we know what the rightwing mantra will be over the next two years.
Ass-non's rant will straight from the Tea Party playbook.
Even though it was rightwing policies that crippled the economy (unemployment and the deficit DOUBLED under Bush) and the stimuls package prevented the economy from falling into a full bore depression.
The righties know that the racist and dumbass vote is solidly in their pocket. If they can scare enough independents into voting for them (because they have no plan or agenda other than defeating Obama) Palin has a chance of winning.
These are very dangerous times people.
sometimes people like you amaze me. If you don't have race as a claim for failing what do you have? Maybe to deal with the truth? Are you that weak that the only reason a man fails is because of race? We know who the real racists and dumbasses are, you prove that with every comment sticking on and only talking about Race. For logic escapes you.
Are you also that unintelligent that you arent aware of what caused the housing bubble to crash and who and have to spew the leftist media talking points? Want to know what caused the financial meltdown? Ask Bwarney Frank about Freddie and Fanny and Obama type community organizers demanding banks provide loans to people who it was clear could NEVER pay back the loans. But they must lend the money otherwise face legal action of discrimination. Then ask why when republicans wanted this investigated and stopped in 2005 seeing that the housingt bubble would crash and destroy the economy democrats blocked it and testified in 2005 there would be no crash of the housing market.
Don't believe me? See Below:
http://freedomslighthouse.net/2010/08/09/flashback-democrat-barney-frank-said-there-would-be-no-collapse-of-housing-market-video-2005/
It's going to be more then two years my friend. People like you and Nancy Pelosi have annihilated the democratic party for a long, long time to come. In fact. I predict what you will see is center republicans and right wing extremists with incompetenet emotional lefties totally out of the picture. As is happening now.
For like you, instead of dealing with reality and governing all they do is point fingers and play race cards. The americans you despise so much arent as dumb as you think. In fact they get it a lot more easily then you do apparantly not being blind racists.
there is also nothing radical or liberal about hobama's days in chicago
he bought black slums with his pals uber slumlords valerie j and tony rezko...
he pimped the tucc
he slew black political icons...except panther icon bobby rush who whipped his ass
he voted present
no epic bio there...just stepping stones to his underserved bush boy throne.
no more.
no less.
Anon 10:44 PM:
"I see nothing wrong with Harris questioning why an employee of the government wasn't covered from day 1 of employment."
Of course you see nothing wrong since you are another wingnut hypocrite of the first order. How's this:
http://maryland-politics.blogspot.com/2010/11/andy-harris-government-run-health-care.html
At 3:15, Harris begins his answer by denouncing Medicare and Medicaid and predicting that more government-run health care “got us into bankruptcy and will keep us in bankruptcy.” And yet, Harris’s first action as a Congressman-Elect is to complain that he can’t get government-run health care for himself fast enough.
Anon 10:44 PM again:
"It sounds like some of you folks don't understand the health system, let alone Obamacare...but who does? He never bothered to tell the public what it was about."
Let me guess, it was about death panels and killing Grandma??
You and your ilk deserve Sarah Palin as president, you really do.
anon 10:00 am:
But soon, it will be a dangerous place for all the Marxist rats and cockroaches who have scurried out of hiding in this time of darkness. When the lights come on, it will be time to start stompin'.
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Could you do us all a favor and goosestep into your time machine and go back to 1933 Germany or 1963 Alabama? Tyvm.
no liberal or radical would ever gut ssi etc
The president's political strategy, as Glen Ford pointed out last month, is clear. Obama's commission and its draconian will be the bad cop. President Obama will then play the part of is to play the part of “good cop” offering some “compromise,” a point between actual hell, and just a very, very hot and uncomfortable place. When Bill Clinton did this, it was called “triangulation.”
But the burning question is this: Why is there no visible opposition among black leadership to these awful economic measures, measures which penalize every working and poor person in the United States? Since an outsize number of these are African Americans, that ought to make it a black issue. Nevertheless, black advocacy organizations, the black churches, who, to hear them tell it, were the sole authors and inventors of the Freedom Movement, along with virtually all the black politicians, journalists, academics and opinion leaders are silent. Why?
We think we know. Hence and herewith, we offer the top ten reasons black leaders are silent on Obama's campaign to cut Medicaid, Medicare and social security
http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/top-ten-reasons-why-black-leaders-are-ignoring-president-obamas-good-cop-bad-cop-attack-soci
Ernesto said...
Let me guess, it was about death panels and killing Grandma??
No Ernesto Grayson. Its about a country breaking bill. Did you know Obama has issued 111 waivers so far from the cost of Obamacare to Big Corporations and Big Labor?
Oh I guess that means its too expensive for them and now we get to pay even more for somethign we couldnt afford to begin with.
I would say people like you deserve Obama, if it didnt with certainly ensure the further destruction of the United States.
Do you even have a remote clue? Have you not heard what ObamaCare actually is now? Now that people have read the bill and tallied the costs and seen who will NOT be covered? Are all real lefties so dumb or do they just play Ostrich?
Anon 10:06:
Please get off the Beck kool-aid and read this:
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/fannie_mae_and.html
excerpt:
Start with the most basic fact of all: virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie. That’s right — most subprime mortgages did not meet Fannie or Freddie’s strict lending standards. All those no money down, no interest for a year, low teaser rate loans? All the loans made without checking a borrower’s income or employment history? All made in the private sector, without any support from Fannie and Freddie.
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The real problem was greed of private lenders and lack of oversight and regulation. And you expect a bunch of right wing Republicans are going to clean that up? You got to be kidding.
Ernesto said...
anon 10:00 am:
But soon, it will be a dangerous place for all the Marxist rats and cockroaches who have scurried out of hiding in this time of darkness. When the lights come on, it will be time to start stompin'.
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Could you do us all a favor and goosestep into your time machine and go back to 1933 Germany or 1963 Alabama? Tyvm.
Still sticking with the liberal operations manual are you Ernesto? When you disagree, name call, call em Nazi's, next you will pull out a race card.
Thing is Mr Hitler, the Nazis were the progressive democratic party of Germany. They started out a lot like your party with identical beliefs. Never forget that and try and be an adult and dont end discussions with childish rants. No one called you an infantile moron who doesnt understand the world did they? Thanks a lot in advance.
Anon 10:18 am:
I'm not going to defend what Obama let Max Baucus do to the bill. As it stands, it's only a stop-gap measure to save the insurance companies from going broke while the country goes broke. It is unsustainable and will eventually need to be replaced with a single payer system, like all the other civilized industrial nations of the world ALREADY have.
You see that? I am not blindly defending Obama, the same way you stick to your beloved (and patently false) list of Beck bullet points.
Ernesto said...
Anon 10:06:
Please get off the Beck kool-aid and read this:
http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/fannie_mae_and.html
excerpt:
Start with the most basic fact of all: virtually none of the $1.5 trillion of cratering subprime mortgages were backed by Fannie or Freddie. That’s right — most subprime mortgages did not meet Fannie or Freddie’s strict lending standards. All those no money down, no interest for a year, low teaser rate loans? All the loans made without checking a borrower’s income or employment history? All made in the private sector, without any support from Fannie and Freddie.
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The real problem was greed of private lenders and lack of oversight and regulation. And you expect a bunch of right wing Republicans are going to clean that up? You got to be kidding.
Ernesto, you really need to read more then a "businessweek blog to understand the imact fannie and freddie had on the economy and how they are at it again. This article is purposely and democratically misleading. Additionally Fannie and Freddie backed unsecured loans for home improvements among other things, they dont even mention that or the default rate. Try this one.
Its a fact that loans were provided to people who did not have the means to pay the loans back. Its a fact banks were not approving these loans. Its a fact that pressure was put on banks by community organizers. Its a fact that Barney Frank told the banks that Fannie and Freddie would back these loans. Its a fact that loans were then made, defaulted and the housing bubble crashed and caused the economic crisis. No matter how you want to spin it.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-25-years-of-mismanagement-at-fannie-and-freddie-caused-the-financial-crisis-2010-6
Anon 10:25:
Your lack of historical understanding is astonishing, but again typical of your kind that has been spoon-fed info from cable TV without doing any research on your own.
The Nazis started out with EXACTLY the same verbiage you used (Marxist rats and cockroaches). They then associated the politics (Marxism, leftism) with an ethnic group (Jews). You are associating Marxism with Obama and other Black people. To you I represent a scary present and future. To me you represent a scary past, a throwback to the dark days of fascism and racism. Did I just throw out this race card that you so eagerly await? So be it, it is there in the history books for you to blissfully ignore, and try to repeat.
Why did the Tea Party wait for Obama? Where was the Tea Party when GW Bush initiated these trillion dollar wars?
Ernesto said...
Anon 10:18 am:
I'm not going to defend what Obama let Max Baucus do to the bill. As it stands, it's only a stop-gap measure to save the insurance companies from going broke while the country goes broke. It is unsustainable and will eventually need to be replaced with a single payer system, like all the other civilized industrial nations of the world ALREADY have.
You see that? I am not blindly defending Obama, the same way you stick to your beloved (and patently false) list of Beck bullet points.
Ernesto, I dont use bullet points like you do. So stop projecting. I research and decide for myself.
Now. Do you have a clue what is happening in the world due to all of the freebies? In places such as Greece, Ireland, Spain? Do you? Hell, look at California. Is it sustainable? Do you think so?
those who know the history of hitler and the naxis will never deny that the blackish hitlerish hobama and his fatally fanatical fans are the EPITOME of nazis historically...
we are all doomed by the history we are rapidly repeating!!!
Democrat policies forcing sub-prime lending to favored minorities caused the financial crisis, and democrat policies paying off the public sector employee unions have perpetuated it.
If Obamacare was so great, why are all of Obama's crony organizations receiving "waivers" to opt out?
Maybe Ernesto knows: "It is unsustainable and will eventually need to be replaced with a single payer system"
That was the plan all along, as anyone who knows anything about the insurance market could have told you. The promise of Obamacare, like everything Obama does, is a lie built on a sea of lies. It was designed to make everyone's healthcare costs RISE to the breaking point where people accept socialist control.
This strategy is being pursued throughout the government, where the goal is to bankrupt the country utterly so that the consitution can be torn up and America put in chains.
hey fn
my best posts are mysteriously being deleted...yet again.
fyi
Anon 10:33 am:
The blog I linked does put some blame on Freddie and Fannie (please read it before dismissing it out of hand):
It’s certainly fair to criticize Fannie and Freddie over real issues that contributed to their downfall. The companies had numerous accounting problems and inadequate safeguards covering their own investment portfolios. Those weaknesses came home to roost when the real estate market cratered. Fannie and Freddie purchased billions of dollars of subprime-backed securities for their own investment portfolios and got hit just like every other investor. But it’s some kind of crazy, politically inspired CYA to blame for the mess we’re in.
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There are a couple links in the blog that are also worth reading. Don't be afraid if they don't mesh with all of what you were told on Fox News. Reality, believe it or not, does not follow the Fox script ALL the time. ;)
Anon 10:35:
By "freebies" do you mean trillion dollar wars financed by tax cuts for billionaires?
ass-non
"People like you and Nancy Pelosi have annihilated the democratic party for a long, long time to come."
LMAO!!!!
I remember hearing the same shit back in 1994 then Clinton won reelection, Gore actually got more votes than Bush, Bush steals 2000 election and proceeds to launch this nation into one of the darkest periods in it's history.
See what goobers like you will never accept is that while the Republicans have been great at race-baiting, demogoguery and winning presidential elections over the last 40 years, THEY CAN'T GOVERN.
The GOP has already made it plain that they plan on either ignoring or obstructing Obama for the next two years.
Remember how that worked for Gingrich and the gang back in the 90s?
Or maybe you do remember but just don't care.
It just feels so good stickin it to the niggas, right?
Dummy.
Anon 10:38:
"It was designed to make everyone's healthcare costs RISE to the breaking point where people accept socialist control."
Question for you: why is Andy Harris so eager to accept "socialist control" for himself??
ask hobama how good it feels uts
he is "stickin poor niggas" worst!!!
anon 10:45:
"WHY is everything, bush, bush, bush, where were you. Stop being a child. You dont know where I was, you dont know what I thought and it has NOTHING to do with todays problem..."
What is today's problem? You can't seem to keep track. It's the deficit according to your previous rants. You're now saying Bush had nothing to do with the deficits?
Ernesto: "The Nazis started out with EXACTLY the same verbiage you used (Marxist rats and cockroaches). They then associated the politics (Marxism, leftism) with an ethnic group (Jews). You are associating Marxism with Obama and other Black people"
Wrong. Marixism is not a black ideology; it is a cancer attacking western culture that has arisen from within.
The Nazi's, as expressly stated in their name, were nationalist socialists. Unlike their cousins in Russia, they left businesses in private hands while forcing them to do the government's bidding.
Obama has pursued much the same strategy. Unlike Hitler, he does not seek to lead his his nation to dominance over others, he seeks to diminish it and put it under the yoke of a global governance.
Hitler's policies conversely wound up destroying Germany; Obama's conversely are resulting in a resurgence of American idealism.
uptownsteve said...
ass-non
"People like you and Nancy Pelosi have annihilated the democratic party for a long, long time to come."
LMAO!!!!
I remember hearing the same shit back in 1994 then Clinton won reelection, Gore actually got more votes than Bush, Bush steals 2000 election and proceeds to launch this nation into one of the darkest periods in it's history.
See what goobers like you will never accept is that while the Republicans have been great at race-baiting, demogoguery and winning presidential elections over the last 40 years, THEY CAN'T GOVERN.
Goobers? Up yours you dum step and fetch it. Your a racist weak minded dungheap. But what you try and project is really funny shit. WHO are the race baiters and great dividers of this country? WHO? WHO claims americans are their enemy WHO? You moron. They cant govern? Well if you mean endless tax and spend like Pelosi and Obama, your right.
The GOP has already made it plain that they plan on either ignoring or obstructing Obama for the next two years.
NO. They plan on dismantling the shit he did to destroy this country. Get with it.
Remember how that worked for Gingrich and the gang back in the 90s?
Didnt you also say that democrats wouldn't lose much in the elections? Yeah, your credibility is zero.
Or maybe you do remember but just don't care.
It just feels so good stickin it to the niggas, right?
I know you are saying that absolute garbage to get a rise out of me and make me say something like Fuck you you racist piece of shit or tell you that you aren't man enough to discuss issues without playing race games and have to get into your racial wheelchair or that you are disgusting worthless and weak because of this. But I won't.
It's a shame you can't have a discussion without being an adult and have to revert to the race card when you run out of intellect or logic.
Dummy. Yes you are and have been proven so. My, thats right. Look at the most recent elections. You were wrong there too.
UTS: "It just feels so good stickin it to the niggas, right?"
GOP policies will ultimately save blacks from the crack dealer/pimp/slave master democrats who have created the swamp of dependency that traps so many.
Not you though, you're hopless.
Dumbass
It was under Reagan that the crack craze first took off!
And if it was just black folks doing crack, you never would have heard about it.
Wake up willya?
anon 10:51:
Ignoring your sadly garbled understanding of Nazi ideology, and the fact the Nazis seized power by defeating actual marxists in 1930s Germany, let me ask you this:
What, exactly are Obama's marxist policies? Are Tim Geithner and Larry Summers marxists?
I know the question sounds ridiculous to just about anyone but the lunatic fringe, but I am forced to ask it of you since you insist, against all historical and factual evidence, that Obama is some sort of marxist.
"Remember how that worked for Gingrich and the gang back in the 90s? "
Gingrich and the republican congress just balanced the budget, that's all.
Clinton was able to "triangulate" and take credit for the economy; Obama has to make a choice: Listen to his leftist base (and his ego) and keep pursuing discredited policies or get with the program so he can get re-elected.
Ernesto said..."What, exactly are Obama's marxist policies?"
Phase 1: Destroy the economic viability of America through pursuing policies that are intentionally harmful to the national interest.
Phase 2: When everything is broken, it's time for "Change".
Anon 11:08:
"policies that are intentionally harmful to the national interest."
Such as?
"Gingrich and the republican congress just balanced the budget, that's all."
Puh-leeze.
Gingrich resigned from Congress in 1998 because the already thin GOP majority was bleeding seats and the country was sick and tired of Republican obstructionism and witch-hunting.
It was the Clinton OMB which promoted the first balanced budget to Congress 1995.
Ernesto
"Such as?"
He's not going to answer you.
Ass-non is a classic dittohead who just regurgitates what's fed to him over at Faux-TV.
Yeah Steve, I kinda figured the best way to shut him up was to ask for some specifics.
Tim Geithner a marxist...who knew?
;)
Ernesto said...
Anon 11:08:
"policies that are intentionally harmful to the national interest."
Such as?
Unsustainable levels of debt, destruction of the currency; long term structural impairments in the form of bloated bureaucracies, onerous regulations, higher taxes; social fragmentation through class warfare and exacerbation of racial tensions; ceding sovereignty to international agencies; weakening the military.
Is that enough?
Yes, the crack epidemic came along with regular stories and sometimes even videos shown on tv of crack dealers shooting wildly in the streets. Sometimes little kids got hit in their houses. So stringent laws were passed against crack.
Eventually, the negro racists and white liberals started a campaign that those were "racist" laws, because negroes sold crack and whites sold powder cocaine.
Such is the stupidity of the reverse-racism that rules the establishment of this sorry-assed country.
assclownsteve sputtered..."Ass-non is a classic dittohead who just regurgitates what's fed to him over at Faux-TV"
That's rich. Uptown hasn't expressed an original thought in his life. His role here is to sputter and rage against anyone who expresses an idea that deviates from his cartoonish view of the world.
People like upswipe are impervious to debate and increasingly irrelevant in the reality based community.
Have fun tugging on your new little buddy, ernesto. No one outside the circle-jerk believes any of your nonsense.
Hey, that mexican midget Ernesto (the nig-wanna-be) is back. What a juvenile :)
High-fiving with steve, are you? You iz funny, boy :)
uptown's style is to make some wild ass, historically inaccurate assertions, call you a "goober" or a "tom" if you challenge it, then demand "proof" through some open ended general question, then ignore you if provide it.
the guy is a sorry-assed joke.
anon, as you know you can't debate with the likes of steve. He's just a slippery eel with no intellectual honesty. When pinned against the wall with some facts, he just changes the subject. Or he makes up imaginary facts that dimwits like the mexican midget will congratulate him on. Alicia defeats him every day but he has never once admitted he was wrong about anything. Still, steve is almost likable.
uptownsteve said...
Ernesto
"Such as?"
He's not going to answer you.
Ass-non is a classic dittohead who just regurgitates what's fed to him over at Faux-TV.
UTS.
Can you ever stop being a child? Your the one projecting and qouting the Lamestream media bullet points.
Ernesto/Steve - Ok children. Here we go with your request.
You know your shtick is funny and predictable.
-Spout nonsense
-When challenged call names
-When you cant face facts call stronger names,
-When facts still dont change, use race card.
-When race card fails and facts still remain....ask for proof or to be educated.
Do you ever do your own education or must you be spoon fed? Can you really be this mentally incompetent and blind?
Here are your facts. Look forward to hearing your adult view of these facts. Can you do it without finger pointing or race baiting? I doubt it. You don't have much else.
Here we go kids. As you requested Obamas Marxist policies:
1) Seizing Control Over The Free Flow Of The Nation's Money
Obama has stated that he wants to convert the stock the US government now owns in the nation's banks from preferred stock, which is the case currently, to common stock. This modification in type of stock may seem irrelevant at first glance, but under further analysis it is the single greatest communist policy the US government has ever adopted: It means that the federal government will control all of the currently publicly traded major banks and financial institutions in the nation
2) Stripping Capitalists Of Their Assets
According to US bankruptcy code, secured creditors such as the ones who have outstanding debt against Chrysler and GM, have to be paid before unsecured creditors. That is the law. Obama has ignored this law, and seized the vast majority (89% in GM's case) of all "asset value" of the automakers and taken direct control or given it away for free to the unions. Karl Marx's theses were all based on the workers owning the means of production, and thus communism takes hold in America.
3) Changing The Structures Of Government To Suit
instead of the 60% which has been required by the Senate through history. Changing legislation to suit the leader is another common tactic of communist leaders from Chavez to Castro.
Taking Advantage Of A Crisis To Impose Communism
Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel published a book entitled The Plan which would require (yes, require) young Americans regardless of their political stripe to serve in a direct copy of Hugo Chavez' red-beret local militias. The Plan also promotes massive taxpayer funded programs as universally free university tuition and health care as well as a tax reform to ensure that the middle and upper classes are crushed by the enormous new government expenditures
To be continued.......
Obamas Marxism continued.....
Controlling Higher Education
Control of higher education as in Obama's Pell Grant entitlement is an universal characteristic of communism to ensure that the young are properly ideologically indoctrinated.
Punishing Residential Property Owners
Obama's enormous mortgage bailout legislation is little more than a full blown entitlement program. The plan forces the 92 percent of responsible home owners to heavily subsidize the irresponsible "ARM-ATM" mortgage holders who didn't read their ARM mortgages and used their home equity like ATMs. These taxes would be so overwhelming that many of the "responsible" majority of mortgage holders could lose their homes.
Demolishing The Economy To Replace It With State Control
Obama has:
•Handicapped American multinationals by denying them tax deferral, placing them at an enormous competitive disadvantage against corporations based anywhere else.
•Launched entitlement programs which punish innovation and dry up funds for entrepreneurial start ups.
•Stopped the Treasury from implementing any real recovery plans, discouraging private capital flow into the financial sector.
•Stated "we have to spread the wealth around, we have to redistribute the wealth of this country through taxation," which is a paraphrasing of Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
•Declared a "War On Business" as shown by his legislation that pharmaceutical corporations pay high rebate fees to Medicaid and promoting the importation of foreign drugs which could include low potency or outright counterfeit drugs into the nation. The financial outlook for US pharmaceutical companies has been decimated.
•Placed nearly two thirds of a trillion dollars into a health reform reserve fund, which is the tip of the iceberg in the expectations of the cost of fully socialized medicine in America. USA Today has stated that every household in the United States would be on the hook for over half a million dollars.
All of these policies represent time-honored Communist policies specifically designed to devastate the free market economy as well as impoverish and punish the upper and middle classes leading to their elimination so that the Communist "Dictatorship Of The Proletariat" can be introduced. It is important to note that in each and every historical instance Communism has been introduced into democratic countries and they were all swiftly changed to totalitarian dictatorships of a single leader benefiting from a "Cult Of Personality."
Policies virtually identical to these were implemented by:
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin in 1917 Russia
Josip Broz Tito in 1945 Yugoslavia
Mao Zedong (Tse-tung) in 1949 China
Fidel Castro in 1959 Cuba
Hugo Chavez in 1999 Venezuela
and now they are being implemented by
Barack Hussein Obama in 2009 United States of America
http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-7-Marxist-Communist-Policies-Being-Implemented-By-Obama-Today
Obamas Marxism continued.....
Controlling Higher Education
Control of higher education as in Obama's Pell Grant entitlement is an universal characteristic of communism to ensure that the young are properly ideologically indoctrinated.
Punishing Residential Property Owners
Obama's enormous mortgage bailout legislation is little more than a full blown entitlement program. The plan forces the 92 percent of responsible home owners to heavily subsidize the irresponsible "ARM-ATM" mortgage holders who didn't read their ARM mortgages and used their home equity like ATMs. These taxes would be so overwhelming that many of the "responsible" majority of mortgage holders could lose their homes.
Demolishing The Economy To Replace It With State Control
Obama has:
•Handicapped American multinationals by denying them tax deferral, placing them at an enormous competitive disadvantage against corporations based anywhere else.
•Launched entitlement programs which punish innovation and dry up funds for entrepreneurial start ups.
•Stopped the Treasury from implementing any real recovery plans, discouraging private capital flow into the financial sector.
•Stated "we have to spread the wealth around, we have to redistribute the wealth of this country through taxation," which is a paraphrasing of Marx's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
•Declared a "War On Business" as shown by his legislation that pharmaceutical corporations pay high rebate fees to Medicaid and promoting the importation of foreign drugs which could include low potency or outright counterfeit drugs into the nation. The financial outlook for US pharmaceutical companies has been decimated.
•Placed nearly two thirds of a trillion dollars into a health reform reserve fund, which is the tip of the iceberg in the expectations of the cost of fully socialized medicine in America. USA Today has stated that every household in the United States would be on the hook for over half a million dollars.
All of these policies represent time-honored Communist policies specifically designed to devastate the free market economy as well as impoverish and punish the upper and middle classes leading to their elimination so that the Communist "Dictatorship Of The Proletariat" can be introduced. It is important to note that in each and every historical instance Communism has been introduced into democratic countries and they were all swiftly changed to totalitarian dictatorships of a single leader benefiting from a "Cult Of Personality."
Policies virtually identical to these were implemented by:
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin in 1917 Russia
Josip Broz Tito in 1945 Yugoslavia
Mao Zedong (Tse-tung) in 1949 China
Fidel Castro in 1959 Cuba
Hugo Chavez in 1999 Venezuela
and now they are being implemented by
Barack Hussein Obama in 2009 United States of America
http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-7-Marxist-Communist-Policies-Being-Implemented-By-Obama-Today
ass-non
"Unsustainable levels of debt, destruction of the currency; long term structural impairments in the form of bloated bureaucracies, onerous regulations, higher taxes; social fragmentation through class warfare and exacerbation of racial tensions; ceding sovereignty to international agencies; weakening the military.
Is that enough"
Yeah, it's enough Fox fed bullshit.
First off all you blithering idiot, Bush doubled the damn debt, the stimulus package was to generate economic activity. Bush expanded government. What new bureaucracies and regulations has Obama proposed????
Obama actually CUT taxes for the middle class and drawn down the troop level in Iraq.
As far as your exacerbation of racial tensions nonsense, that's just code for "white guys like me are going to get mad if you negroes start thinking ya'll can do the same white that we do".
Sell it to Lloyd Marcus.
anon 11:34 am:
"Unsustainable levels of debt"
Obama has lowered the deficit. Bush doubled it and blew the biggest surplus in U.S. history.
"destruction of the currency"
Not sure what you mean by this and you probably don't either.
"long term structural impairments in the form of bloated bureaucracies, onerous regulations, higher taxes"
I'd like some specific examples of these new, bloated bureaucracies.
Onerous regulations. Right, maybe more lax regulations are what is needed to keep oil well platforms from blowing up in the Gulf Of Mexico?
Higher taxes. Hey we have a couple trillion dollar wars to pay for. How we going to do that, by bake sales?
"social fragmentation through class warfare..."
Except that all the fire is coming from the upper classes. I don't see Obama returning much fire for the lower classes.
"...and exacerbation of racial tensions"
I see you are doing you part on this front, but how is Obama increasing racial tensions? By holding beer summits in the Rose Garden?
"...ceding sovereignty to international agencies"
Examples?
"...weakening the military."
Military spending is currently 58 percent of discetionary spending in the budget. Weren't you just railing against high deficits? You want to lower taxes, keep military spending the same and lower the deficit? Maybe President Palin can accomplish that in some parallel wingnut universe.
Ernesto
Don't confuse the goobers with facts.
Their heads might explode.
Anon: Ike turner
Uptown: Tina turner
Ernesto: Tina Turner's nose
Anon 11:53 am:
You've totally gone off the edge with this particular cut and paste. Lord have mercy. Where to start?
"Seizing Control Over The Free Flow Of The Nation's Money"
The free flowing money that caused the financial meltdown in 2008?
"Stripping Capitalists Of Their Assets"
You mean bailing out a bunch of greedheads that tanked the economy, by taking over their toxic assets?
"Taking Advantage Of A Crisis To Impose Communism"
Rahm Emanuel? A communist? Bwah-hah-hah! This is the guy that pushed NAFTA and sold out health care to the highest private sector bidders. Do you honestly even read this mess or are you just joking around on here?
"...ensure that the young are properly ideologically indoctrinated."
As opposed to keeping them uneducated and voting Republican like you?
"Punishing Residential Property Owners"
I guess they didn't report this on Fox News bu the banks are kicking people out of their houses without even knowing if they own the house!
Check out what your "onerous regulations" have allowed:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/13/meet-banks-robosigners-fo_n_761698.html
Anon: Sarah Palin's governing.
your pal: Bristol Palin's dancing.
The Judge: Willow Palin's Facebooking.
good one ernesto....better keep your day job. Oh that's right, you don't have one!
If the Obamas are a TV family, they would be the Cosby clan. Educated, urbane, sophisticated...the folks who pay wingnuts to do work.
Bristol had the opportunity to bow out, knowing her 'win' was faked. Since she remains, she accepts the fraud. And calling them Clampetts fits...oil wealth allows them access...and their actions reek of wite trash, and not the good kind.
Funny how wingnuts are using screeds as 'facks'. Calling Obama a Marxist shows historical ignorance and a great deal of self-delusion. The only purpose is to identify with the others who are mewling that those kids who do the work are somehow handed everything while much kewler, smarterated ones has to take the icky jobs.
Harris is a pompous ass...and was outed as such. Maybe JH offers MDs health care on the first day...but for the rest of us it is a wait of 30 to 90(or more) days. Yeppers, gassing kids makes ole doc an 'expert' on all things medical. Reminds me of the joke told by First Responders...where the doctor giving Level I trauma assistance is a dermatologist.
Oh, just for future reference, calling Obama a Marxist is a Racist dog whistle...and we all know it. ;)
Mold
Anon 12:42
I have a well-paying, union-protected job which I will be leaving for shortly. Now why don't you get off the net and get back to sweeping aisles at Wal-mart before the supervisor catches you?
"...and exacerbation of racial tensions"
I had to get back to this one. Here is some wingnut coming on a blog called "field negro" and calling Obama a marxist/nazi that is trying to overthrow the government and replace it with communism. Then turning around and accusing Obama of igniting class warfare and increasing racial tensions.
Oh, wingnuttery, IRONY be thy name!
After reading some of the ridiculous responses to this and other posts, I am more resolute than ever that the average Republican is an ignorant rube who rarely reads papers or watch anything beyond Fox News. Sad day indeed.
"union-protected job"
Figures. Leach.
LACoincidental said...
"I am more resolute than ever"
Why do you feel the need to be "resolute" about your intellectual positions? One should be resolute on principles, but beliefs should be based on facts. Your pledge to reject objective truth and hew to a worldview set in concrete betrays just how indefensible your positions are on a rational basis. You are nothing but a rank ideologue, LAC.
Ernesto said..."Here is some wingnut coming on a blog called "field negro""
Wah!, ernesto is getting bullied by superior minds! Wah!
Field is to commended for providing an open forum to discuss ideas. Anyone who comes here and makes the effort to dispel the utter bullshit promulagated by the likes of you, uts, and LAC should be commended for battling for the truth.
Such ignorance as you spew should not go unchallenged.
Funny stuff, Pell grants ensure that the youth are properly indoctrinated? Wow, the disdain for higher education among conservatives is in full view with that one. True, most educated persons are liberals.
This was my favorite "Obama's conversely are resulting in a resurgence in American idealism". Hmmmm, makes one wonder what exactly "American idealism" is. Is it realistic? Is it a return to the "good old days" which for some of us weren't so good.
The imagery is vivid but I'm not sure that any one president can put us in chains. With the congress in GOP hands, the S.C. skewed to the right and the majority of our military members self identified as conservative I really don't see the prez rounding up folks and throwing them into the imaginary camps in Montana. i love anon dillusions. Can you guys at least make up a name?
Bojack said...
LACoincidental said...
"I am more resolute than ever"
Why do you feel the need to be "resolute" about your intellectual positions? One should be resolute on principles, but beliefs should be based on facts. Your pledge to reject objective truth and hew to a worldview set in concrete betrays just how indefensible your positions are on a rational basis. You are nothing but a rank ideologue, LAC.
Uhm, no, I simply refuse to listen to people whose positions have no bearing on politics, science history or logic. There's nothing objective or rational about what most right wingers believe about most the biggest issues of the day.
For example, here are just a few Right wing points that are taken as gospel:
Eventhough there is overwhelming evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, went to a Christian church for 20 years and is influenced by the conservative leaning U Chicago school of economics, the man is obviously a foreign born Muslim Socialist.
Its completely rational to assume that 1/6 of the World's population are possibly terrorists and should be treated like felons, because a handful of nuts with boxcutters who happen to worship the same religion hijacked a couple of planes almost 10 years ago.
Its totally rational and logical that giant fences and arresting large swaths of immigrants will cure our economic problems. Americans are just clamoring to pick fruit.
Its completely logical that relationship between global warming and pollution are questionable and that we don't need to move forward with clean energy or conservation solutions. Forget the fact that classical Thermodynamics proves Global warming to be true - its still up for debate.
Its completely fair that gay Americans can pay taxes and go to war, but they have to lie about who they are and are banned from starting their own families and ensuring that their love one's are given protection under the law. After all, they're 'abnormal'.
Every European nation with single payer health care is doomed, thus we need no health care reform. Let's forget that our current Healthcare system causes massive budget deficits.
Now, none of these positions are support by modern sociology, psychology, science, history or economics. But they're held as rational thoughts in conservative circles.
So yes, I'm more resolute that the average wingnut hasn't bothered to crack open a book that wasn't written by Glen Beck, read a newspaper other than the Washington times or taken a science class since high school. Because no one could hold such austere views of the world and claim to be truly educated.
AB, a few of mine vanished as well. I don't take it personally. C'mon Son, its just a blog.
thanks lac!
i have never let any pc glitch defeat me
am indeible and persistent fellow techie!,
ab
AB, it could either be Field editing (which I doubt, the man has a day job) or a corruption of a given file structure over at Google/Blogspot. Basically, blogs are are typical either one giant file or a series of little files on the database, a given entry could be corrupted, deleted or broken.
Again, its not a big deal.
Field@6:09am- "No, unlike you and Glenn Beckkk, I am not obsessed with Georgie porgie. :)"
I understand that you are not obsessed with George Soros. But you ARE obsessed with Obama. With Rahm and Soros both saying Obama is a loser..surely you Obamaholics are concerned about Obama as a one-term President with little power?
LA, you hit the nail on the head. In talking to conservatives there is a disdain for science and history except their own chosen beliefs. Having these discussions with a coworker his fallback position is that anything that does not fit his ideological viewpoint somehow has a liberal bias. I'm glad you brought up climate change as I have spent many years studying meteorology and when the AMS gave their opinion on climate change it was dismissed by wingnuts but it lead me to question their understanding of the matter. They would rather believe Limbaugh, who dropped out of SEMO, than learned scientists that actually study and understand climate science. I have to just shake my head at the stupidity. When they go on the rants about Marxism and how Obama's church was teaching it they are seeing through their own biased eyes. Since most only want to learn about the good watered down U.S. history they don't understand the relationship between Black people and Marxism/Communism and how we had to develop a common bond between each other to just survive. Sure, we would have loved to be rugged individualists and supported "states rights" and such but they were used as tools of oppression to disenfranchise us so yes we do take a leery stance when we hear such verbage. Those that have such views are normally younger and don't have an understanding of the "real" history if this country and what Obama represents to us and the rest of the world.
Ernesto said...
anon 11:34 am:
"Unsustainable levels of debt"
Obama has lowered the deficit. Bush doubled it and blew the biggest surplus in U.S. history.
"destruction of the currency"
Not sure what you mean by this and you probably don't either.
"long term structural impairments in the form of bloated bureaucracies, onerous regulations, higher taxes"
I'd like some specific examples of these new, bloated bureaucracies.
OK I got into three of your replies and realized it isnt your fault. You ARE like LAC intellectually inferior. It isnt possible for you to understand the issues. So you go with what you are being spoon fed by Rachel Maddow.
Nevermind, your dismissed. Everyone is a racist and the world is just as you see it..to you.
naw anonymous ure fulla shit obama is continuing the damage of bush and his predecessors and if u cant see that then use a dam fool! ignint juss plain ignint!
the mystery is killing me!
i am testing altered script codes:
Silly suicidal hobama nazis think they if they bash us leftists enough
We will all be so distracted that we fail to notice that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING leftist about hobama…
NOT!!!
For two years we watched Barack Obama undercut the left wing of his party at every turn, with a disdain so palpable his minions could not resist insulting leftists in the most juvenile terms. For two years we watched the First Black President facilitate the greatest transfer of wealth in human history – $12 to $14 trillion – to Wall Street, and we watched as he put the U.S. war machine back on the offensive in the world. For two years we heard Obama say over and over again that he had no intention of taking targeted action to help Black and brown communities that had been targeted for destruction by banks. After two years, one would think that folks on the Left would have gotten the idea that Obama is pro-Pentagon, pro-Wall Street, and doesn’t have a transformative bone in his body regarding either race or class. But, for many, the message, however obvious, has not sunk in. Rather than face the fact that Obama is not a friend of the people, leftish commentators insist on conducting a psychological analysis of the president. They seem to be trying to find some quirk in Obama’s personality that can by corrected in time for the Armageddon showdown with the Republicans.
The psychological problem is not Obama's. It's the problem of much of the Left, who imagined an Obama that never existed. That's why it was so easy for Obama and his corporate handlers to psyche-out the Left. If you think Obama is salvageable, then you're the one with the psychological problem.
http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/psycho-babbling-obama
uptownsteve said...
ass-non
"Unsustainable levels of debt, destruction of the currency; long term structural impairments in the form of bloated bureaucracies, onerous regulations, higher taxes; social fragmentation through class warfare and exacerbation of racial tensions; ceding sovereignty to international agencies; weakening the military.
Is that enough"
Yeah, it's enough Fox fed bullshit.
First off all you blithering idiot, Bush doubled the damn debt, the stimulus package was to generate economic activity. Bush expanded government. What new bureaucracies and regulations has Obama proposed????
Obama actually CUT taxes for the middle class and drawn down the troop level in Iraq.
As far as your exacerbation of racial tensions nonsense, that's just code for "white guys like me are going to get mad if you negroes start thinking ya'll can do the same white that we do".
Sell it to Lloyd Marcus.
Ah there goes the uptown coon with his racism again. Yup, its all about skin color to you Coon isn't it? You are so utterly pathetic its a wonder you can see where your going with your head hangin down so low. Being a man, I can't imagine being such a bitch that I have to end and start every argument with excuses for who I am. Have you no pride?
What a piece of flotsam on the sea of life you are.
UTS
Utterly Useless
Tarradiddle
Steve
someone tell uts the endless iraq war was sold to endless halliburton drones long ago
i bet uts blaasted gwb when he lied like hobama just did and said the iraq war ended
shame!!!!
http://www.amazon.com/Iraq-Sale-Profiteers-Robert-Greenwald/dp/B000HWXOT0
Anonymous said...
naw anonymous ure fulla shit obama is continuing the damage of bush and his predecessors and if u cant see that then use a dam fool! ignint juss plain ignint!
hey Anon at 3:07 this might help you
http://www.learn-english-online.org/Lesson4/Course/Lesson4.htm
President Barack Obama tonight made his carefully choreographed “end of the Iraq War” speech, assuring Americans that this fake end, as opposed to the other fake ends, stands as an “historic moment” in American history and a “milestone” that “should serve as a reminder to all the world” of America’s military leadership.
Little attention was given to the 50,000 US troops still fighting in Iraq, beyond a vague mention to “transitional forces protecting our civilians.” The speech rather focused on the illusory military victory and included claims that security problems in Iraq are among “the lowest on record,” in spite of dramatically escalating attacks on the ground
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/31/obama-lauds-fake-end-to-iraq-war-as-historic-moment/
LAC: "Forget the fact that classical Thermodynamics proves Global warming to be true"
WTF do you know of thermodynamics? I have an engineering degree, and you sir, are absolutely full of it.
PilotX : " I'm glad you brought up climate change as I have spent many years studying meteorology and when the AMS gave their opinion on climate change it was dismissed by wingnuts but it lead me to question their understanding of the matter. They would rather believe Limbaugh, who dropped out of SEMO, than learned scientists that actually study and understand climate science. I have to just shake my head at the stupidity."
Meteorolgy is not climate science. I'll take the word of a Phd in Atmospheric science over the weatherman.
I am sure I understand the issue far more comprehensively than you ever will.
There has been no demonstrable, let alone significant warming in the past 11 years. There is no causitive link betwen CO2 levels and warming. Anthropogenic climate change is a politcal tactic, not a scientific issue.
good laird. you knee-grows are just too fast and verbose for me! a dyke only has so much time in a day, gosh darn it. heh.
yes, you'll be having a lot of fun as a blogger, FN. i have no doubt. my motto? "less is more." i really want gridlock. i don't want the republicans to pass anything, and i don't want any more "help" from the "democrats" either. let them play Village games and pass nothing but bills renaming post offices after rich white guys. the government is only hurting us, at this point, no matter which party is in charge.
and the palin spawn? wow, do i not care about a TV show. never seen it. don't own a TV. the powers that be may yet select her mom to be president. at this point, our "democracy" is corrupted enough for that to happen. but please remember: the spawn is on TV because she catches your attention, one way or another. it's almost insulting, if you think about it. your Masters are mocking you, by putting the palin spawn on TV in a rigged "election" before they put her mom on TV in a (rigged) "election."
they're just warming you up to the idea, or the potential of it. think, don't watch. read, don't stare slack jawed at the glowing box. act, don't watch other people acting. and yes, all of it, even the "reality" stuff... is *acting.*
@ anon. I am fully aware that climatology and meteorology are two different disciplines but I will however take your challenge to see if you know more about atmospheric science than you do. Include a name so we can compare notes. One has to study climatology to complete a degree is meteorology and I have studied under one of the world's leading climatologist but I won't name drop but his research on transpiration and the effects of pollution on severe weather is included in many of the textbooks you study if you study atmosphereic science. Included is the link to the AMS position report on climate change by leading climatologists, gee climatologists are members of the AMS who knew? Please read and let me know what you think as you seem to be the resident climatology expert, I would love to know your credentials or are you like most conservatives take a knowing position without doing any research whatsoever. BTW, which PhD are you referring to that disputes AGW? Since I know many personally I would love to see what this person's peers think of them. Please include your name if you really wnat to debate this matter and bring your big guns because science isn't most conservative's strong suit.
http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/2007climatechange.html
Typical wingnuttery, AGW is a hoax and Obama will enslave the earth and is the worst president ever. Most rational adults know that a president's policies won't have an effect on the nation for years and most presidential scholars have given Obama pretty good marks so far but reality is often right-winger's enemy. Funny how when a Dem is in office there is the fear of black helicopters and a world conspiracy to enslave us but when a Repub is in office starting illegal wars and giving out no bid contracts like candy all is good in the world. I guarantee even if Obama is re-elected for a second term you will not be enslaved and the U.N. will not take over. Good god people, calm the F down. You will one day get a dumb Republican back in office and your life will be back to normal.
i do not recall a single moment when all was good with the world under gwb...
he was crucified by all msm and the left and war protestors for 8 yrs...
he was never shown mercy by me ot any of the the very same people who ignore hobama as he remixes 2000-2008 redux!!!!
the scholars i revere see hobama as a bush clone just as i do
so do most of hobama's awakened former fans
ie
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/18/james-carville-greenberg-obama_n_785347.html
in fact
the world was so reviled by gwb that hobama won a nobel peace prize after only 12 days in office just for NOT being gwb
merry christmas mongrels..from hobama inc:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/still-no-plan-on-unemploy_n_784779.html
hobama proves that he is not a radical or a socialist more each day!!!
he is only radically elite and anti-social to poor people of all races
President Obama's cautious response to the fiscal commission co-chairs' proposal was "quite frankly, a disappointment," according to Terry O'Neill, president of the National Organization for Women. The draft report would slash Social Security benefits for millions of Americans, hurting poor people and minorities in particular.
"These proposals to cut social security really push hundreds of thousands of middle class women into poverty," said O'Neill on a conference call with reporters Thursday afternoon. "Women are far more likely than men to head into their retirement years without savings and why is that? Well, when you work a lifetime with unequal pay, you have a hard time sucking away money for your own retirement."
Indeed, a new report issued by the Government Accountability Office found that raising the retirement age for Social Security would have a disproportionate impact on low-income workers and minorities.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/18/social-security-advocates_1_n_785539.html
hobama is a socialist
but ONLY for banksters!
Banks, of course, aren't giving up those revenues without a fight. Instead, industry leaders like Bank of America Corp., Wells Fargo & Co., HSBC Holdings PLC's HSBC North America, Fifth Third Bancorp and others are experimenting with new ways to nick their customers, from imposing maintenance fees on checking accounts to rolling out new charges for services like fraud alerts, debit cards and credit reports.
Making matters trickier, while the banks must disclose the new fees fully, they likely will do so only in the ordinary-looking correspondence that most consumers toss in the trash without reading. The result: Many people will learn of the new charges only after opening their monthly statements.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703438604575315003993317326.html
Not referring to you AB, I'm talking about the irrational folks who talk of vast conspiracies and how things will be much better under a Palin or someone. You can't ignore those posters here. You are correct that Bush was taken to task for his actions but it seems there are those that completely ignore him and his actions and now indict Obama when he hasn't even had enough time to make a dent in the problems in this country.
px
i know
but many of us are simply refusing to pretend that hobama is NOT committing serial solo cloned sins...
gwb is history
though he should be in prison with dick c for iraqui war crimes/911 etc...
but hobama has escalated EVERY amoral global game that gwb began
and his new QB swag has just begun
px:
thanks
i fear that 8 yrs of hobama will be worse than 8 from gwb...and that none of us will survive
px:
actually
it already is worse than gwb in many ways
ie
jobless
homeless
prisons
blind adoration etc
but i truly fear how MUCH worse it will become
narrative:
*There are more African Americans under correctional control today — in prison or jail, on probation or parole — than were enslaved in 1850, a decade before the Civil War began.
*As of 2004, more African American men were disenfranchised (due to felon disenfranchisement laws) than in 1870, the year the Fifteenth Amendment was ratified, prohibiting laws that explicitly deny the right to vote on the basis of race.
* A black child born today is less likely to be raised by both parents than a black child born during slavery. The recent disintegration of the African American family is due in large part to the mass imprisonment of black fathers.
*If you take into account prisoners, a large majority of African American men in some urban areas have been labeled felons for life. (In the Chicago area, the figure is nearly 80%.) These men are part of a growing undercaste — not class, caste — permanently relegated, by law, to a second-class status. They can be denied the right to vote, automatically excluded from juries, and legally discriminated against in employment, housing, access to education, and public benefits, much as their grandparents and great-grandparents were during the Jim Crow era.
http://www.puppetgov.com/2010/03/12/prison-industry-more-african-american-slaves-in-the-united-states-today-than-in-1850/
AB You don't have much agreement there. GWB is regarded as one of the worst prezes and Obama one of the better ones. 8 years from now we will still be here arguing about the same stuff. if Reagan and Bush counldn't end the world the first Black prez won't. Palin might but that's a different topic for another day. Who do you think would make a good prez?
pilotx ure a biased piece of shit that takes hisself far too seriously for phukking once buceta breaf moron stanks is actually right
if u believe that obama and bush r advancing different agendas then ur head is stuck so far up ur ass ur eyes is glazed over nucka!
get a grip obama aint jesus nucka!
px:
i disagree vehemently
hobama's hoax is waning globally
these wars will not end until the oil and opium are depleted
hobama lied and pretended he was NOT gwb
gwb never pretended NOT to be a warmongering elitist moron...he and dick c took flagrant open pride in being all they are...and they still do
NO ONE who is sane or credible is pretending that hobama is anything more than a clone of bush!
gawd eye hope eye didnt encourage that bucetalickin fool but she was right about something
finally... *sigh*
px:
please tell me who u r speaking of by name who is praising hobama...maybe i missed it
Face it, things have always been bad for Black folks in this country and our imprisonment rates have always been out of whack with our population. I would also like to see many of these issues addressed but how much traction do you think the prez would get because many whites already believe he will only act in "our" interests? Danny Davis has made progress on reintroduction to society for ex-felons. We all have much work to be done in making this an equal society. I also believe any Repub would make matters worse because look at what happened under Nixon and Reagan as far as Black imprisonment rates go. You think Palin or Romney would be better?
ur compulsive disgusting bucetahead self still deleting blog comments whats wrong did u catch a typo ya idgit?!!! fool!
pilotx if obama cared about the down trodden then he would of eliminated the war on drugs plain and simple it is a war against ethnicities and classes and it dont get clearer than that but instead his wishy washy drug policy is still responsible for millions of non violent drug offenders being tried and sentenced every year for what?
obama is a poor president and the only good president was well i dont know cuz theyre all crooks liars criminals and thieves and dont think hes any different cuz he brown skint he advanced the bush corruption with his votes on issues that affected all americans
hes a people pleasin politician and is untrustworthy
no prez is flaweless
i admire 2
bubba c
and
jfk
jfk was the last real prez we will ever have
that is why he was executed for bucking the fed reserve and printing his own cash etc
the corps run the entire show now
and they bought that cia drone hobama at birth...in kenya
Well anon, show me where I equate Obama to Yeshua. My only point is if you think Obama is bad what is your remedy and who do you think would do a better job? For the record I voted for the Green Party candidate in 2008 just like I did in 2000. I would have voted Green in 2004 but it wasn't on the ballot in Illinois. I know weak excuse but I really wasn't feeling Kerry.
px:
blacks are americans too
most
white americans are poor too
and hobama has no problem ecxlusively coddling exclusively white banksters
this
hobama is increasingly indefensible each day!
px:
when we allow the lesser of evils to become more evil each day...
when we only worship and excuse him even as we see his evil increasing
we are ONLY being suicidal and apolitical
neither will save our lives/soul/america
Clinton apologized for letting atrocities in Rawanda happen while AF1 was running so he could leave after his weak speech. Kennedy was weak on civil rights and had to be constantly prodded by Dr. King to do the right thing. I would take Barak over those two but hey tomato tomAto. Clinton also signed that horrible GOP sponsored bill from Phil Gramm that deregulated Wall Street and helped bring about the 2008 meltdown. Oh yeah, NAFTA too. Not a great guy. Not as bad as Bush but not as good as FDR.
px:
we disagree
bubba left us with a surplus
jfk was FAR stronger on civil rights than hobama
look what hobama has done to gitmo/gays/unemployed/foreclosed etc!!!
nafta was horrid
but abject global poverty
and 23 trillion to banksters trumps nafta!!!
Well, I for one like the Lilly Leadbetter Act and his choices for the NLRB that actually are labor friendly. He also opposed the Open Skies agreement as a senator and as president which has actually saved my job. Bush wanted to outsource my job to foreign airlines but Obama and the Dems stood firm so to me he is lightyears better than Bush. Sometimes we have to get very technical and see where the rubber meets the road and see who has our interests at heart. As a unionized laborer the Dems are better than the GOP. We can talk all we want about lesser of two evils but until there are more than two credible political parties that's the only choice we have. I don't really like the Dems because they aren't liberal enough for me but I can't vote for Republicans because they are insane. Just like the other poster that is convinced AGW does not exist. Not saying conclusively it does but these fools don't even leave room for the possibility and that is downright evil.
8 million perm jobs lost and pretending the iraq war will ever end both trump nafta too!
px:
congrats and ditto
i despise the one elite party that rules us all
no matter what label they wear or how they play musical chairs during elections
but i also know that hobama will go down in history as teh most brutal and evil prez ever...
and he will be that precisely because he is blindly adored and endlessly unchecked
How was JFK stronger on civil rights? He did not send in federal assistance to the south when Black folks were being murdered and beaten for exercising our civil rights? Read some of Dr. King's opinions about Kennedy, he didn't trust him on committment to civil rights. You think civil rights leaders being killed is a good record on civil rights? Sure Bubba left a surplus but how much of that was due to the internet bubble? How many jobs were lost due to NAFTA and his deregulation of Wall Street and the banks? Those guys were not great by any stretch.
the worst i have read from mlk is re: bobby kennedy
ditto re bk
but jfk was as good as it got in the 60s
and see more on jfk
http://aliciabanks.xanga.com
search by topic/archive etc
OK, but I disagree with the hyperbolic statements. Obama will go down as a pragmatic prez that tried to be transformational and if he gets a second term will be even more effective. I think in a second term he will devote more attention to Black communities but he can't right now as that will hasten his demise. If you judge him after only two years you have a predetermined outcome in mind but that's your right.
px:
i judged bush after 100 days
and he got worse each 100
ditto for hobama thus far
we agree to disagree
JFK may have been as good as it got in the 60's but that ain't saying much. Medgar Evers and all the other lynched ciivil rights leaders and workers and their famlies would probably disagree. Easy to say form a safe keyboard in 2010, wonder how much you would like JFK in 1962 in Mississippi.
px:
beware
are u not saying exactly the same abot hobama being the best we have in 2010???
i agree
that will never be enough!
i was born in 1963
i was barely 3 mos old when jfk was executed
why are u more concerned with 1962 than 2010???????
it is ONLY 2010 that concerns me
&
i do think hobama will be prez select again in 2012...
no matter what!
Global warming doesn't have to move in degrees Centigrade to effect the earth. Tenths of a degree Centigrade can determine whether ice melts or remains frozen. Increase the temperature and the rate of melting increases. When the glaciers melt the sea rises. This doesn't effect many people living in the US or may not even change the whether, but there are some Island nations who are loosing their land. I guess to many, what's a few drowned brown people. I know that some of the nations have secured land on the Asian continent and Australia and are moving some people, but that's not going to be an overall solution.
No matter the science one knows, every one knows you can't live without leaving a footprint and I can't believe that an ordinary person much less a scientist believe that we can burn anything, such as breathing, driving and keeping ourselves warm without producing carbon dioxide. Which, now is much in excess of the natural world's ability to recycle into oxygen.
Another right wing meme; people somehow don't crap.
In the end the earth doesn't care, we can screw up and another species will become dominant and so on, until our sun becomes a white dwarf.
px:
thanks for proving my pt
medgar et al died while loudly battling jfk....
we are dying in silence as we adore a prez who is battling all who are black/poor etc
one we refuse to battle simply because his deadbeat cia dad was black
shame!!!!!!!
Some good points Hathor, but very fatalistic. Yes we probably have gone beyond the threshold amount of C02 but I don't discount the human creative factor. I just want a better planet for future generations.
@AB I guess you kinda missed the point, I don't care more about 1962 than the present but just pointing out that the president you consider better than the current one had his faults too. Obama is not perfect but in your opinion who would have been better? McCain? How about Palin? What other choice do you have? You are correct we need to be involved in our communities no matter who is president, that didn't change when Reagan was in office or Obama. What is your solution and who do you think in a better choice in 2012? You might have to choose between Palin, Romney or Obama. And no a third party candidate will not have a realistic chance in 2012 unless something really drastic happens.
px:
i never said any prez was perfect
i stand by jfk and bubba shaming hobama in every way
hobama is prez
i will never vote again
all prezes are puppets now
my solution is
we must save our own nation and stop preteding that hobama is our king or that any prez will be
1 teacher
1 parent
1 local co-op
1 local bank
1 mentor
1 coach
etc
at a time
how can i be more clear???
That's fine but I disagree about not voting. I am personally affected by politics on the national level but I understand your POV. Medgar Evers died for your right to vote but I digress....
px:
yes he did die for that
but not for hobama
and not for what voting has become
ie
see my apology letter to fannie lou hamer
http://aliciabanks.xanga.com
px:
i am 47
how old are u?
it took decades of wasted votes for me to come to my decision
best wishes to u
ab
PilotX,
Most often the debate is about "them tree huggers" or something of that sort. This is not seen as saving our species, but saving the earth. Many of us have this egotistical idea that humans are the zenith of the universe and our actions are somehow exempt from the natural laws that govern the universe. This is why I may sound fatalistic, I try to remind those who think their crap doesn't stink, that the universe isn't about them. Even if their creation story is in the Garden of Eden, I always thought that when man fell he became dumber that a doorknob and may thousands of years later only know little of the universe.
I'm 38. I understand your decision but as a mentor of mine who will be 90 soon once told me "if you understand politics you MIGHT have a chance" and from what I see he is correct. While Obama may not be what we all wanted he was the best of the choices we were realistically presented. By not voting in essence you are voting. He may be bad but let Palin get into office and 2010 will seem like paradise.
that was true ONLY until hobama made us all vote for his supreme hoax
we agree to disagree px
it took me many yrs to understand that george carlin understood politics best of all
now i live by his motto
peace
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxIraCchPDhk&ei=qa_lTN7NF4OdlgfSq6yhCQ&usg=AFQjCNFyblL3W-9T3q72B29z7IUhY_bOaw
ps px:
holla back in 10 yrs including
8 under hobama
smile
Hathor, that's my point too. These conservatives are usually religious and see earth as a human domain. There was even a representative from right here in Illinois who thinks AGW is a hoax because god told us he wouldn't destroy us by flooding. Insanity and then we have an annon that "knows" there is no AGW but I'm betting like most of them he has not ever studied any atmospheric science. Funny how everything they disagree with is a conspiracy but in some ways they are right. Scientists usually try to keep religion out of our classrooms and I shutter to think these knowitalls may soon have their hands on the levers of power. Scary. Even one of the most well known climatologists admits he doesn't know what effect CO2 will have on future climate but to me that's even scarier because we can plan for the known even if it's bad. Oh well, must be nice to know everything.
Great chatting with you guys but gotta go work out. Going to Jamaica in less than a month and I can't embarrass my wife.
PilotX said...
"AB You don't have much agreement there. GWB is regarded as one of the worst prezes and Obama one of the better ones"
Ha! By who?
GWB was a lame president, but Obama is making him look good by comparison. If he keeps it up, he'll make Jimmy Carter look good by comparison!
PilotX said...
"Some good points Hathor, but very fatalistic. Yes we probably have gone beyond the threshold amount of C02 but I don't discount the human creative factor. I just want a better planet for future generations. "
First, if we've "gone beyond the threshold amount of C02", what's the point of making life miserable by sitting in the dark and wiping our asses with one square of toliet paper? Let's party like it's 1999 and see what happens. Looking at the past, warmth = good, cold = bad (see the ice ages).
Second, if "just want a better planet for future generations", then you should embrace growth, technology, and increasing wealth. The richest, most developed countries are also the enivironmentally cleanest, healthiest, safest, best educated, and happiest countries. Why would you want to deny that to future generations by pushing us back to third world lifestyles?
Third, there is no such thing as viable "green" energy. Maybe there will be someday, and we should keep working on it, but for now there is only "real" energy. Radical greenies want to keep us from burning our coal and oil not to save the planet, but to limit economic development to feed a misanthropic, anti-capatilist vision. A poorer world is a greener world.
And lastly, it's not actually getting warmer anyway. Look out the window, would you?
Radical environmentalism is profoundly anti-human. The core of the ideology is that people are bad, and the world would be better off with less of them. How twisted is that?
Pilot X, I think you put one down on that wingnut. Yep, I bet he didn't think a field hand like you had all dem credentials. :)
Man anon, would you PLEASE make up a name so I can know who I'm talking to would ya? "Look outmy window" for what? Are you suggesting the current conditions have anything to do with global climate variation? Seriously? What we are seeing recently are dramatic swings in weather conditions globally. Why? Most climatologists agree that it is a combination of carbon emmissions and natural climatic cycles. Record flooding in Pakistan, 500 year flooding occuring at what may be 50 year normal averagres is not a good thing, record cold in Europe. These may be a sign of things to come. Though we may have passed the threshold amounts that is not a license to just pollute even more that means we need to clean up our acts and give future generations a chance to clean up our mess. Also the last 10 years have been the warmest in recent history so yes we are warming.
I have no qualms about nations getting wealthy but science is science, if we are destroying our planet we should do the opposite of what we are doing. This isn't political nor does it have anything to do with being anti anything, the data suggests we are causing changes in the climate cycle and the results may not be good not just for human life but all life. Just say'n.
PilotX, allow me. Anon, let me break down your quotes:
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PilotX said...
"Some good points Hathor, but very fatalistic. Yes we probably have gone beyond the threshold amount of C02 but I don't discount the human creative factor. I just want a better planet for future generations. "
First, if we've "gone beyond the threshold amount of C02", what's the point of making life miserable by sitting in the dark and wiping our asses with one square of toliet paper? Let's party like it's 1999 and see what happens. Looking at the past, warmth = good, cold = bad (see the ice ages).
Second, if "just want a better planet for future generations", then you should embrace growth, technology, and increasing wealth. The richest, most developed countries are also the enivironmentally cleanest, healthiest, safest, best educated, and happiest countries. Why would you want to deny that to future generations by pushing us back to third world lifestyles?
Third, there is no such thing as viable "green" energy. Maybe there will be someday, and we should keep working on it, but for now there is only "real" energy. Radical greenies want to keep us from burning our coal and oil not to save the planet, but to limit economic development to feed a misanthropic, anti-capatilist vision. A poorer world is a greener world.
And lastly, it's not actually getting warmer anyway. Look out the window, would you?
Radical environmentalism is profoundly anti-human. The core of the ideology is that people are bad, and the world would be better off with less of them. How twisted is that?
Well, first of all - no ones arguing for Friends of the Earth 'Kill the humans, save the seals', logical so you're last statement makes little sense and is at best hyperbolic.
You're first point about CO2 threshold shows how you don't understand how trapping heat in the atmosphere. Weather patterns are driven by heat and moisture. Trap a lot heat in the atmosphere, you screw with weather paterns. Its not just about heatwaves (which are bad enough). Its about screwing up rainfall patterns and our water table show you have massive droughts in the midwest. And because trapped heat causes ice to melt, you run the risk of drowning most of California west of the Bakersfield. And because you've got farmland burnt to a crisp or sitting under the sea floor, you've got other problems - like widespread famine.
To your Second point, there are two things that pop out. First, I find it funny, since Neo-cons are the first railing against education reform and healthcare - key components to a stable modern society. Second, its called global warming for a reason. Our SUV driving, water park playing, overconsuming culture doesn't just affect us, it affects developing nations and our allies as well.
On to your third point, Anon. Green tech isn't just running cars on wind power or giant solar panel farms - its also about conservation and changing the way we work. Because auto companies and oil companies stood to lose money - international corporations have killed everything from high speed rail to the electric car. Want to know one of the biggest energy savers around? A cross continental high speed train system. But, that would kill the airline industry (who would fly for 400 dollars if they could take a train for 200 and there almost as fast?) as well as the oil industry. How about lowering our consumption of meat and high fructose corn syrup?
Again, caring about the planets future requires a knowledge of science and economics - none of which you'll get listening to Limbaugh and Fox News.
BTW anon, I know you were just joking about looking out my window but did you get a cance to read the AMS position paper on global warming? If so you will clearly see that the consensus and future modeling show polar regions showing the most warming and since I don't live at either pole looking out my window won't change much. This is typical wing-nut logic, well dang it's still cold in the winter so therefore global warming don't exist heh heh heh. As if you'd ever be able to tell gobal temp means by your own ambient conditions. Good thing you're not in charge of climate modeling.
Good points LA but he is also missing the point that certain locations will also have colder winters due to the global heat budget. Colder winters are projected in Europe as melting ice changes the salinity of the oceans and causes the Atlantic current to lose its ability to transport warm water off the coast of western Europe. We're already possibly seeing these effects. So eevn if you do believe that cold=bad then we'll see alot more of it. I guess we can use the more exact term global climate variation as we don't exactly know the true effects but most are guesing it will be bad but if we keep believing we can use current conditions to comfort us we're pretty screwed. We're also screwed when those in charge disregard the science and rely on non-scientists to form their judgements.
none of u guys know shit about climate modelling ure just tryin ta sound smart and ya failed miserably let those assholes take ur money for so called green products ule be slaves confined to live in one place and grinning cuz ur carbon footprint is smaller yalls a buncha suckas!
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