Wednesday, December 08, 2010

Imagine there's no hypocrites in Washington.


So it's been thirty years since that wack job with the Catcher in the Rye jones put a cap in John Lennon's dome. He seemed like a cool dude and all, but I never understood the obsession. (Field, that's heresy! I know.) This is how f&^%$d up I am; Ringo Starr has always been my favorite Beatle.

Anyway, it looks like O might share a tragic anniversary with Lennon. This is the day that Lennon died, and it might very well be the day that the Obama mystique died as well. (At least with the lefties) I sure hope not. Maybe he will be ultimately viewed as a disappointment, but he does have two years to go. That is an eternity in polit-tricks.

Folks want to know why I am not as pissed off about his O ness caving as some other people, and I always have to explain that I never expected as much from the man as the people who are crying a river now. I took him for what he was: a career politician raised in old school democratic urban politics with a centrist and go along to get along mind set. He is no more no less. Ultimately what type of president he was going to be was going to depend on the people he surrounded himself with. That's why I was disappointed when I saw the first cast of characters.
---I am still waiting for someone to get his ear who knows what is going on with real people in A-merry-ca.

Still, what is pissing me is watching folks like Mary Landrieu play Jane f&^%$#g Addams all of a sudden. Give me a break! Question for folks like Michael Collins over at the Agonist; why are you even using Mary Landrieu as an example of liberal angst?

"Here's what Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu said about the deal. Landrieu is a conservative Southern Democrat with big energy agenda. She represents a very conservative state. Even she knows this deal is a disaster.

"He's enthusiastic about this new arrangement dealing with the Republican caucus that stated, according to their leader, their number one objective is to unseat him. I can understand trying to appeal to independent voters. I do that myself. I think it's very important. But this sort of enthusiasm for caucusing with Republicans – and he didn't even, literally, didn't even speak to the Democratic caucus. Not any of it. Not the liberal group, not the moderate group, not the conservative group," said Landrieu. Senate Democrats Openly Upset with Tax Cut Deal

When Mary Landrieu opposes your strategy on tax cuts for the rich, you know you've gone too far. But Obama is just doing his job, the one he signed up for - an elegant, charming functionary for the ruling class who could fool people just long enough to allow the Bush bailout looting to continue in full force."

Ahhh excuse? Let me remind you folks of something: MARY LANDRIEU VOTED FOR THE BUSH TAX CUTS! (h/t Lawrence O'Donnell for calling out this fraud)

" this "is beyond politics. This is about justice and doing what's right."

O- man, no wonder you're going gray.



149 comments:

Boudreaux said...

Mary Landrieu also said of the tax cut deal "I can't be bought". This is the same democrat who defended her decision to work out a $100 million Louisiana Purchase deal for her Obamacare vote and told Republicans to shut up about it.

Time and time again ever since she was elected, Mary has shown that she is an accomplished, compulsive and pathological LIAR. She was completely AWOL during Katrina. I cannot adequately express the contempt that I have for that sick, evil and slimy POS.

Wesley R said...

Field,

If the Democrats are so against Obama's deal then they need to vote it down and stop whining. They've had all of the majorities in congress for two years and all they did was walk around on egg shells and whispered. Now they've decided to yell and scream. Well it's too late. They better get organized and put a game plan together on how to deal with the wackos coming to town next month.

classysbf said...

I'm a Ringo fan too,Field.
He always seemed approachable,unpretentious and fun to hang out with.He got the last laugh,since he one of the two surviving Beatles.

mellaneous said...

ditto Field ditto we deinitely share pretty close to the same evaluation of Obama.

I like the way you feel for him, though, and you're right, how did Mary Landreau become the patron saint of the working class?

Just for fun I am going to dig up one of my old pre Obama presidency analysis and see how right I was.

sistermoon said...

I know this is totally off topic, but,please, everyone pray for a miracle for Aretha Franklin.

LACoincidental said...

I'm a Paul McCartney guy myself- sorry the Girl is Mine with MJ is the joint. Blame it on my age, I'm a child of the 80's.

Anyway, Field I'm with you, but I'll got a step further. Obama is a left-center moderate in personality and philosophy. He's a Chicago Style Technocrat - no surprise. And he surround himself with technocrat, again perfectly logical.

But if the left wants to blame anyone, we need to blame ourselves. I am the broken record, but let reiterate - we share as much the blame on the so-called 'failures' of the Obama administration as the O-man himself.

Instead of spending all their time bitching about no public option, liberal groups should have moved their collective asses to fight the Tea Party on their own turf. Arianna Huffington, Ralph Nader, Cornel West and other lefty motor mouths could have used their time talking to people in middle America.

And more importantly, we could gotten into the streets. We could actively engage our congresspeople. We could do something other than blogs and watching MSNBC.

And that's just we lefties, who actually know the deal. Let's not forget middle America who sat on their hands and didn't pay attention. They either stayed home or voted for the Right Wing corporate lobbyist disguised as Tea Party revolutionaries.

Rottnkid said...

A little black girl


A stranger was seated next to a little black girl on the airplane when the stranger turned to her and said, "Let's talk. I've heard that flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger."

The little girl, who had just opened her coloring book, closed it slowly and said to the stranger, "What would you like to talk about?"

"Oh, I don't know," said the stranger. "Since you are an Afro American, do you think that So-called President Barak Obama is qualified for the job?" and he smiles.

"OK", she said. 'That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass -. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?"

The stranger, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, "Hmmm, I have no idea."

To which the little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss President Barak Obama...when you don't know shit?"

LACoincidental said...

RK - funny.

Hathor said...

FN.

Re:HHNOD

You know there are still people who don't know Hawaii is a state.

Carolyn said...

With all that is going on with politics...let us send good positive thoughts Aretha's way. She's made a lot of us cry and celebrate over the years through her songs.

Field, I noticed that I get upset when they denigrate the President although I'm not happy with some of his policies and get frustrated with his brand of compromise. Do you think it's analogous to a male relative that you are hard on at times but outsiders better not say anything about him?

To rottnkid: I like the story about the little black girl. You've made your point. hmmmm....

Mack Lyons said...

"If the Democrats are so against Obama's deal then they need to vote it down and stop whining. They've had all of the majorities in congress for two years and all they did was walk around on egg shells and whispered. Now they've decided to yell and scream. Well it's too late. They better get organized and put a game plan together on how to deal with the wackos coming to town next month."

Dems are back in their natural element as underdogs, so this sudden display of "courage" isn't surprising. I wish they had this much courage when they held the majority in both legislatures.

hennasplace said...

I don't blame the President, but no one seems to look at the democrats in the house and senate who seems as if they get themselves together to get the damn bill passed in the first place, then no one would worry about having to compromise. I knew that the conservative democrats would be supportive of the President in the first place and stands to reason why they will not be returning to the next session. Let's go back a few weeks when the bill to extend unemployment benefits failed thanks to those conservative democrats who went to the Republicans. Ask yourself would the Republicans not vote for bill, possible answer to use it as a bargaining chip for vote of the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts. The Democrats are good for not banding together as a united front. Love them or hate them, the Republicans stick together no matter what and all have the same message as to give them credibility for their faulty arguments. The President is the lead singer with bad back-up singer due to lack of harmony and out of tune. Forgive me, I am listening to iTunes promo introducing that it has Beatles music and the reason for the music analogy.

Now the President has to be the pragmatic person and the grown up in the room because let's face it, he couldn't take the risk of two million people losing their unemployment benefits in a couple of weeks. And why do they wait until the holidays to cut benefits or layoff people? (Another side thought). I didn't see the press conference, but heard the President's comment. We can't pay politics in this instance, he was actually pissed and it was more so toward the democrats. The democrats have painted themselves into a corner, and it's easy to blame the President because he is the in front. He only makes up one-third of the government, and the democrats in the house and senate have to get their acts together in the next session, or the President will just side step them and deal with the Republicans alone which is doing anyway.

hennasplace said...

Mark:

I agree with your comment. And Democrats are not going to vote against because they will look like the group that got in the way of working people receiving unemployment benefits, and doesn't matter if the Republicans voted it now first as the American people are 10 years old and have a short attention span. Besides ever Republican will hit every media outlet and say to the American people it's the Democrats fault. Don't you just love politics?

Spook said...

"Obama is just doing his job, the one he signed up for - an elegant, charming functionary for the ruling class who could fool people just long enough to allow the Bush bailout looting to continue in full force."

Word to yo Momma!

uptownsteve said...

God bless John Lennon's soul.

The Beatles, with John as the main spokesman, refused to play before segregated audiences during their American tours in the early 60s when most white entertainers would have took the money and ran.

John Lennon was a man of great courage and conviction.

As well sa a wonderful composer and lyrist

Lennon songs like "Come Together", "In My Life" and "Norwiegian Wood" sound as beautiful and vital today as they did when he wrote them 40 odd years ago.

He just wanted to "Give Peace a Chnace"

Whats wrong with that?

Anonymous said...

Landrieu is certainly a Grade A hypocrite but she's still right that it's wrong to extend these tax cuts. What's worse is for what? O got a total of $60 billion for unemployment that doesn't even apply to most of the unemployed. Republicans got $900 billion. This is of course ignoring smaller trades but how on Earth can his O ness come back and tell us this is a good deal? This isn't as simple as a bad deal, it's an absolute betrayal of core democratic values and BAD economics to boot (we've had this cuts in place for 10 years and look what they've given us)! Note: I did not say liberal values but democratic values. To make matters worse, the details of this plan would INCREASE taxes for the poor! Taxing the poor to give the rich a break simply can't be justified.

Yesterday, an old high school friend of mine grabbed me on chat and said he has never been more ashamed in his life to be a republican because of the unfairness of this tax deal! He said he was totally on my side and congressional democrats' side of the aisle on this and couldn't believe his party was trying this -- it shocked me because he makes fun of Pelosi regularly but there it is. He said he couldn't believe that his party or anyone else could possibly think that the American people would buy this shit. He's a military guy with a family to raise and a deep sense of fairness that apparently overrides his loyalty to party and he is livid about it.

At any rate, I have never expected too much from O -- he's a pol but I never expected this either. It's wrong on every level from the economic level to the moral one and I hope congressional dems raise holy hell.

--j

Zing said...

Members 100
Political groups Democratic Caucus
(58 members [1 Independent])
Republican Conference
(42 members)

In the Senate, it takes 60 votes to do practically anything... procedurally, or legislatively.

And when Democrats have Blue Dogs in their party, operating essentially as members of the Republican party on many issues, the number of liberal Democrats in the Senate shrinks accordingly.

The passage of Wall Street and Health Care reform would not have been possible without the Democrats holding firm (by plying some of their own members with concessions or sweeteners), and the enticement of moderate Republicans to break ranks with their party to preclude the dreaded filibuster.

With this motley collection of public servants, it's a miracle that any legislation got passed in the current congress, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that what did pass was a watered-down, soggy mess with a few dry spots of actual legislative achievements.

Next year, the passage of anything worthwhile will take more than a miracle (the power of belief), it may take a direct act of God.

LACoincidental said...

Zing, thanks for laying out the math.

Zing said...

LACoincidental said...
"Zing, thanks for laying out the math."

My pleasure.

Zing said...

As it now stands:

Tax cuts just 37 percent of the total deal

Despite being billed as a great debate over the Bush tax cuts, the struggle between President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans appears to have ended with an extension of the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts representing only about 37 percent of the total cost of the agreement Obama announced Monday night.

In August, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that that a two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts for 2011 and 2012 would amount to $336 billion. The New York Times estimates the cost of the entire package under consideration at $900 billion.

In its fact sheet on the tax cut framework, the White House provides some numbers on specific provisions:

A $120 billion Social Security payroll tax cut in 2011, with the rate being cut from 6.2 percent of earned income to 4.2 percent. For a worker making $60,000 a year, this would result in an additional $1,200 in take-home pay.
$56 billion in additional unemployment insurance benefits for 13 months.

$40 billion in tax cuts for families and students, including a two-year extension of the American Opportunity tax credit which helps families pay college tuitions, which was part of last year's stimulus.

The White House fact sheet did not detail the cost of a two-year accord on estate tax (taxing inherited wealth above $5 million at 35 percent).

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi pegged the cost of that provision as $25 billion in her statement expressing opposition to the Republican parts of the agreement. The estate tax deal would "add insult to injury," Pelosi complained.

The accord which Obama unveiled Monday night must now be transformed into legislative language. It's far from certain what the final package will include and how many Democrats will vote for it.

But what Obama announced Monday turned out to be a blend of Bush tax cuts and Obama tax cuts.

It includes the $120 billion cut in the Social Security payroll tax, but Obama had to jettison the Making Work Pay tax credit for individuals earning less than $75,000 and married couples earning less than $150,000.

That credit was part of last year's stimulus bill.

StillaPanther2 said...

Brother Field....the Beatles were a moment "where you had to have been there". The day they came to America my whole Black neighborhood ran to the TVs (three channels) to see these white boys from England. They were the only whites that "we" were allowed (our own stoppage) to openly adore. You could secretely dig Elvis.Of course with my Black Nationalist standards I did not show any joy...but I truly dug the way the way they had all our women in a "loveJones". I always say that living long you will see event being recycled. BBro O reminds me of President Carter with his willingness to please. It might work.

Ernesto said...

Carter never tried to privatize Social Security. Obama is more like Reagan in this regard, because that is exactly what this deal will end up doing.

Ernesto said...

mellaneous: "Just for fun I am going to dig up one of my old pre Obama presidency analysis and see how right I was."

Would love to see that.

Here's something I wrote back in February, 2008.

field negro said...

I know this is totally off topic, but,please, everyone pray for a miracle for Aretha Franklin."

Sisrermoon, I am not a praying man, but I do wish the best for "Queen Of Soul". The Bic C is a b*&^h!


"But if the left wants to blame anyone, we need to blame ourselves. I am the broken record, but let reiterate - we share as much the blame on the so-called 'failures' of the Obama administration as the O-man himself.

Instead of spending all their time bitching about no public option, liberal groups should have moved their collective asses to fight the Tea Party on their own turf. Arianna Huffington, Ralph Nader, Cornel West and other lefty motor mouths could have used their time talking to people in middle America.

And more importantly, we could gotten into the streets. We could actively engage our congresspeople. We could do something other than blogs and watching MSNBC."

From your type keys to my eyes.Well said.


Zing still zinging em in.:)

uptown, I am not hating on Lennon he seems like a cool dude. I just never understood the nationwide obsession with his death etc.I know it was tragic, but hell, so was Marvin Gaye getting capped by his old man.

I guess if Marley was shot in the street like that I would have felt the same way. -Although he was shot by a rignt wing gunman, he just didn't die at the time.

Rottnkid that was funny.

Sarge said...

I actually got to see the Beatles when they hit DC. Looking back, it's hard to believe how big they actually got for making the same kind of music with just that little bit of a twist and some of the bark still on it.

"Obama is just doing his job, the one he signed up for - an elegant, charming functionary for the ruling class who could fool people just long enough to allow the Bush bailout looting to continue in full force."

I am inclined to agree with that.
Decades of watching what goes on has me thinking that years before the "biggie" elections, the elites and the deep state has decided what is going to be.
It is political theater, the story board is set up, the script is in draft form and may be amended at any time as the "narative" continues, and a potential cast is assembled. They all meet certain requirements, will not deviate from the the script, have already proved their worth to the deep state and elites, and can be counted on to not ad lib in a way that will not disrupt the flow of the political/societal "narative".

The election simply confirms who has which role, and their skill at theater and pleasing the bosses determines how long they stay on stage.

"Pragmatism" simply means the pragmatist will sell you out and not miss a wink of sleep no matter what happens to you.

uptownsteve said...

FN

"uptown, I am not hating on Lennon he seems like a cool dude. I just never understood the nationwide obsession with his death etc.I know it was tragic, but hell, so was Marvin Gaye getting capped by his old man."

I hear ya and a lot of brothers and sisters feel this way.

However for white America at least, the Beatles are credited with kicking off the entire counter culture and youth movement of the 60s.

There was nobody like them before for mainstream America. They motivated millions of white kids to grow their hair long, pick up guitars, question authority and rebel against their own class and culture.

For a lot of people John Lennon and the Beatles are cultural icons.

alicia banks said...

fn:

i adore the beatles and john lennon

paul was the most talented
but i loved john most because he was the most radical and political

i am a musicholic

if hobama and oj could sing i would love his music too

BUT


i expected hobama to be ANY better than bush.

i hate him because he is FAR worse!

my fav john song:

woman is the nigge* of the world

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P91_H690z4

my fav beatles song:

a day in the life

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DP-Q9D4dcYng&ei=buYATaCOOYSdlgf6vJ3LCA&usg=AFQjCNHZxyawa0w_50iwURzqVONW4iR0pQ

ps:

i think paul m and wings blew the beatles and john lennon away musically always!

http://www.amazon.com/Wings-Greatest-Hits-Paul-Mccartney/dp/B00000721P

alicia banks said...

uts:

even the beatles were honest about the black musicians they ripped off

ie

little richard
etc

typical r&b saga

alicia banks said...

fn:

john lennon's mk ultra/cia murder is way deeper than the catcher in the rye/mark c...
fyi

http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=130&contentid=4498&page=2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335479/Was-John-Lennons-murderer-Mark-Chapman-CIA-hitman-Thirty-years-theres-extraordinary-new-theory.html

http://www.amazon.com/Gimme-Some-Truth-Lennon-Files/dp/0520222466/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291905537&sr=1-5

http://www.amazon.com/Killed-John-Lennon-Fenton-Bresler/dp/0312034520/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291905537&sr=1-9


http://www.amazon.com/December-1980-John-Lennon-Died/dp/0879309636/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291905537&sr=1-1&wwparam=1291905626

alicia banks said...

lac:

why should anyone fight the tea party?

what have they done to bilk the poor like hobama????

Vanessa said...

Anyone following the Dream Act debate?

Anybody have a problem with providing college aid to the children of illegal aliens, when people whose families have been here for 300 years, some of that time in chains, have to struggle to afford to send their kids to school?

And won't free college educations be yet another incentive to sneak across the border?

alicia banks said...

rk:

alternate ending:

the man replied:

"we will all know s*it like pros if we survive that professional turd in dc through 2016..."

and then he asked her:

"did little hobama nazi mongrel brats like u talk such bs about hobama's cloned cow pie brained cousin george?"

i like my ending much better.

uptownsteve said...

AB

"even the beatles were honest about the black musicians they ripped off"

I wouldn't say they "ripped off" black music.

When Leontyne Price sings "La Traviata" or when Wynton Marsalis plays Mozart are they "ripping off" European music?

The Beatles acknowledged the strong influence that black American music had on them but the Beatles, to me, had a special uniqueness and creativity to their music.

Songs like "Norweigian Wood", "The Fool on the Hill", BlackBird", and "Yesterday" owed far more to English Folk music than to black American music.

The beauty of the Beatles is they took disparate forms and meshed them together and made it accessible to everyone.

I've taken alot of ribbing over the years from brothers and sisters for being a Beatles fan but I'm not ashamed.

alicia banks said...

uts:

i love the beatles too

and

i think anyone who copies the music/hoots/gimmicks of another is ripping them off

that includes rappers who sample because they have no talent to compose their own rifts

ditto for the rolling stones and irma thomas

chuck berry and pat boone

ll cool j and grace jones

etc

alicia banks said...

uts:

i love the beatles' "something" too

and musiq soulchild does a great cover too

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CBoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DOB5KEsXl778&ei=GfAATdGrHsWBlAeemLmGDQ&usg=AFQjCNGC46E09DeSCy0k2sZBLOs8tC8agw

uptownsteve said...

Don't get me started on this.

Janet Jackson's "Rhythm Nation" was a DIRECT ripoff of Sly's "Thank You For Lettin Me Be Myself".

I hope Sly got paid.

Ray Parker Jr. literally stole "Ghostbusters" rhythm track from Huey Lewis and the News "I Want a New Drug."

alicia banks said...

uts

ditto!

as long as they get paid, it is "creative inspiration"

no check = ripoff!

ie

patrice rushen tells a great story about how will smith said he would be "sampling" her "forget me nots" for "men in black"

she heard the demo and said.."fine...but i will need much BIGGER check for my ENTIRE song used!"

she got paid.

alicia banks said...

and i adore ray parker and raydio too!

my fav ray song and one of the sexiest best videos of all time:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVODiDl8k3Sc&ei=dPEATYW7OcSAlAecv7iMCw&usg=AFQjCNGnTYl70Esqwliew_YvTTBw17FXPw


he met this beauty at an airport during a layover and asked her to star in this video...wow!

Hathor said...

Vanessa,

These immigrants children are offered no more in aid than any other citizen has access to. See HR6497, SEC 11 Higher Education Assistance.

jw said...

"I've taken alot of ribbing over the years from brothers and sisters for being a Beatles fan but I'm not ashamed."

Talent is talent, and the Beatles did have an extraordinary amount of it.

Vanessa said...

Hathor said...
"These immigrants children are offered no more in aid than any other citizen has access to"

But should they be? Should someone who illegally enters the country and has a baby here get the same educational assistant benefits as a legal citizens' kids?

I am struggling to pay my taxes and pay my kids tuition. In one sense, this is rewarding a crime with my hard earned dollars.

uptownsteve said...

Vanessa

The Dream Act

"This bill would provide certain illegal and deportable alien students who graduate from US high schools, who are of good moral character, arrived in the U.S. illegally as minors, and have been in the country continuously and illegally for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency if they complete two years in the military or two years at a four year institution of higher learning. The students would obtain temporary residency for a six year period. Within the six year period, a qualified student must have "acquired a degree from an institution of higher education in the United States or [have] completed at least 2 years, in good standing, in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree in the United States," or have "served in the uniformed services for at least 2 years and, if discharged, [have] received an honorable discharge.

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS?

Sarge said...

I often wonder at the concept of "cultural ownership" of some phenomenon. It just seems to me that what's good and worthwhile is simply that no matter what color of wrapping the person who originates it possesses.

I have a friend who is an English teacher in our local high school, and a couple of her colleagues challengerd her along racial/cultural lines as to "black" literature. One of them quoted another doofus, said, "So, tell me, who is the 'Black Shakespeare'"?
She replied that SHAKESPEARE was the 'Black Shakespeare", he was the Shakespeare for everybody, another would be redundant. That's why he was the famous one, he'd done it first, done it best, and everyone could access and understand it.
Same thing in our more modern culture: who is the "white" Little Richard, William Grant Still, Quincey Jones, James Baldwin, Walter Mosley, and Octavia Butler?

Well, THEY are, no one else can do what they have dddone in the same way no matter what the race/culture/ethnicity questions are.

Good stuff, and there for everyone with the wit to enjoy it and be thankful for it.

alicia banks said...

ditto sarge


ie

a gay icon and aids activist named dr. marjorie hill was once asked "who is the mlk for black gays" and she said "mlk!"...

see her say so here:

http://www.womanvision.org/all-gods-children.html

alicia banks said...
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alicia banks said...

fn:

stress ages and kills

all prezes go gray

even when they are not inept overwhelmed amoral hoaxes like hobama

http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,187216

chicago dyke said...

my parents were big Beatles and Lennon fans, and i was a pre-teen when he was murdered, and at that time i was all about "anything my parents like can't be Cool." so i pretty much ignored all the pain and shock his fans expressed back then. i've come to appreciate his music, as an atheist i'm especially glad for "Imagine." but Yoko never appealed to me, and i couldn't understand why people thought of her as an artist on par with him. i've also read that in person, he was sort of a sexist dick, for all he's associated with liberals and leftist causes. i hear he cheated on most of the women he was with and was very unapologetic about it.

chicago dyke said...

Sarge: thanks for the shout out for Octavia Butler. all yall need to run don't walk and buy one of her books right now. "Parable of the Sower" is the defining classic of black female science fiction. and it's prophetic. she was a Genius. she is the only person i've never met for whom i cried when i learned of her death.

Redeye said...

All of this is about putting the first and they hope the last African American President in his place.

uptownsteve said...

Nice post Sarge.

I too believe that cultural ownership is alot of crap.

That along with peer pressure influencing kids' choices in art and culture.

The beautiful thing about little kids is that they're not old enough to be affected by peer pressure or to know what they are supposed to like or dislike.

As long as it's good, they like it.

A couple of weeks back I was driving around NYC with my 6 and 7 year old niece and nephew in the back seat. I was listening to the so-called "classic soul" station.

Thinking about those 2 kids singing and clapping along to the Commodores "Brickhouse" still brings a smile to my face.

Mr. Obama said...

Media Matters has obtained leaked emails that show how a top Washington editor at Fox News directed his journalists not to use the phrase "public option."

Instead, Bill Sammon, Fox News' Washington managing editor, told staffers to use the phrase "government option." This happens to be the exact phrase that Republican pollster Frank Luntz had advised Republicans to begin using to describe the public option -- on Sean Hannity's show, no less.

Speaking to Hannity in August 2009, Luntz said that "if you call it a 'public option,' the American people are split," but that "if you call it the 'government option,' the public is overwhelmingly against it."

Fair and balanced my ass.

chicagodick said...

chicagodyke said.."he was sort of a sexist dick"

Thanks for the typical navel-gazing anecdote, dyke. Way to reinforce those lesbian stereotypes again.

Senor Bano said...

@ Mr. Obama:
"Government option" is a much more appropriate term than "public option", as this is a federal government mandate.

Viva Fox News!

alicia banks said...

cdick:

what?

who is perfect among any of us????

if we all hated on singers who cheated...whom could we love???

i love john lennon as a singer

i never said i wanted to wed him

i am obsessed with eric benet

he cheated on halle barry

so???

bob marley was a cheating dog who birthed a global village...but he was also a sage/icon/genius

john lennon was a brave rebel sage

who dared to love and wed an asian and piss off racist fans

kudos!

he was also a super dad/great house husband by choice for many yrs

that makes up for him being a lousy husband

alicia banks said...

lac

i love "imagine" too

and tracie spencer made it her own...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvG4a6h5dtc

chicago dyke said...

he was talking to me, AB.

and he's obviously not bright enough to understand that there is nothing "lesbian" in pointing out that when a rich, famous heterosexual man abuses the women in his life, it's the textbook definition of "sexist" behavior. the thing is, i don't even know for a fact that's it's true Lennon did; i was just passing on what i read at another site that had a thread dedicated to the anniversary of his death. and really, i don't care. i hardly care about the lives of any celebrities and he is no exception.

but you know how the haters on this blog can be. so tiresome, so ignorant. it's a wonder that FN tolerates them.

alicia banks said...

cdyke:

i knew he was...

but he insulted all lesbians as he did so...and that spoke to me

yes
most rock stars are cheating jerks...male and female

ie
mary wilson felt all of the beatles were sexist dogs who tried to seduce them all once

see more in her dreamgirls bio...

alicia banks said...

cdyke

ps

peggy lipton wrote volumes in her bio about how paul m was the love of her life and abused her...

when she wed quincy jones later he was always insecure about her love for paul and testing her etc

i love all of the beatles for their honesty

ie
ringo often talks about being such a junkie he does not recall being a beatles...and how surreal it is to watch footage he was too high to recall now etc...

and ALL of the beatles speak candidly about being rich young wild and abusing women once before they matured

they are human icons flawed like all of us....

uptownsteve said...

How did this thread turn into another male bashing affair?

Read "Where did Our Love Go" and books about certain other female stars like Tammi Terrell and Billie Holiday and you'll find out that many of them were class A assholes, backstabbers, junkies and anything else.

And the fact that Halle Berry had 3 failed marriages is more of a reflection on HER than her mates.

I'm sure the protofemmes disagree.

Carry on.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it is Ms Berry's choice of male companions. Some of my kin had troubles with mens...until they dated the guys who worked, the guy who paid bills, they guys who were there for the kids events...dudes were not cool or BadBoyz.
It's all about the Boomers...cougars are oldlady Boomers who want to pretend they still hawt. Lennon's death was 30 years ago...not exactly news. st reagan tole us Social Security is an unmitigated eveel..so let's us end it....so sayeth the Boomer pundits.
bush is the Unitificator!

Mold

Anonymous said...

Watched the TV show, "Sing-Off" and observed Nicole making comment about the idiocy of DWTS. Now, what nice AfAm girl speaks like that out of church? Tells me the story is far nastier than the contract allows them to say. Been in the business for a few years and that amount of honesty to 'non-members' is stunning. We never, ever spoke ill of fellow performers or others in front of those not initiated into the 'family'. So, what caused her to speak?

Mold

alicia banks said...

halle is still MUCH hotter than most of the younger men she has dated!!!

halle is abused by whorish men of all ages like most women of all ages...and???

her new beau is her age and one of the sexiest frenchmen on earth so far they seem happy...

best wishes to them!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1337017/Halle-Berry-Olivier-Martinez-prepare-Christmas-couple.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

alicia banks said...

uts:

who is bashing males?

cdick is bashing lesbians who tell the truth about male whores...and???

only a sexist moron blames women for divorces...ie each of halle's men share each of her divorces...fix your math!

uptownsteve said...

"halle is abused by whorish men of all ages like most women of all ages...and???"

blah, blah, blah

I bet sex with Halle Berry is like reading the National Review.

3 straight cheating husbands can't be wrong.

alicia banks said...

uts:

u always expose yourself daily

u r bashing halle

why?

never fret.

halle would never bother boring you. bet!

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uts:

fact = u know absolutely nothing about halle's sexual prowesss and never will

fact = women divorce cheating men (even rich flawless sexy celebs) and always have

see?

facts always trump foolishness.

that is why u fail herein daily.

Anonymous said...

Wonder what our resident marriage expert makes of the beards o limbaugh?
Ms Berry may just have learned, through heartbreak, that dudez with major egos can't be expected to be faithful, honest, or worthwhile.
A couple of the lads expressed wonderment that they would ever, at any time, be monogamous...as they was dudez.
Still, there is this being outside the relationship thingie that only lets us guess. Who knows why Eldrick cheated? Who knows why others stray?

Mold

alicia banks said...

mold:

how does your wisdom apply to male whores who work pt at mcdonald's all over america?

uptownsteve said...

boooooooooooring.

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alicia banks said...

and how does your great wisdom also apply to millions of quiet broke men with their wedding rings tucked inside their pockets at strip clubs all over america too?

did u defend meg ryan when she cheated on her husband dennis quaid with russell crowe???

married people cheat.

and some of them are great musicians....and?

ask any divorce atty.

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uts:

i bet no oj like u is bashing eva langoria or angelina jolie or elizabeth taylor... for their divorces as u do halle!

shame!!!!!

Anonymous said...

hey thunderkunt banks hows that job of urs going? must be boring today huh?

Anonymous said...

dumb piece of shit animal aint ha no job aint ha no skills and obviously aint ha no life dumb fool!

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uptownsteve said...

That's all in your mind AB.

Don't really know much about Langoria.

What Jolie did to Jennifer Anniston by boffing Brad Pitt (he's just as guilty) was trailerpark stank.

Although I always loved her work as an actress, I've always felt that Elizabeth Taylor was a selfish, manipulative egotist.

She did a Jolie to Eddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds.

When she married the construction worker, you just knew that as soon as she became bored with him, he'd get dumped like a bag of rocks.

Just curious, what are your thoughts on Robin Givens?

She was an innocent victim too?

alicia banks said...

uts:

when did angelina rape brad???

alicia banks said...

uts:

robin givens adored mike tyson until he beat her better than he did buster douglas...

have u read her bio?

have u seen mike and oprah apologize to robin???

as always with black females uts, u r way late!!!

alicia banks said...

and robin and brad were in love long before angelina...but mike ran him off!

uptownsteve said...

"robin givens adored mike tyson until he beat her better than he did buster douglas"

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bye AB and don't forget to take the ritalin.

alicia banks said...

uts/oj:

like the world, hollywood is filled with serial divorcees...and u typically choose to bash and blame halle...a bf...exclusively


shame!!!!!!!

alicia banks said...

uts:

u need thick glasses, a brain, and a soul.

no mere pill will do!!!

alicia banks said...

and:

when mike was not beating robin he was cheating on her and even he has admitted that!!!

uptownsteve said...

Mike Tyson "Bad Intentions"

http://books.google.com/books?id=zQeJ5T9cGoAC&pg=PA323&lpg=PA323&dq=Robin+Givens+and+her+mother+stole+millions+from+Mike+Tyson&source=bl&ots=NO3d2jSAan&sig=z1qPM119jj7kMmM14G_slksKt-U&hl=en&ei=YzcBTfT7JoTGlQf7tJG_CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

alicia banks said...

that "book" is a joke like u uts

i see u "research" as well as u "debate"

tragic!!!

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DI-NySKIouC8&ei=6DcBTfHnFMGclgf0sJzCCA&usg=AFQjCNE4UvcRcfcYDH7qMRzpvNiMMPxz7g

alicia banks said...

hear mike speak about robin in his own words

app 10 mins

from a superb 2009 documentary

long before he finally told the WHOLE truth on oprah's show

http://www.amazon.com/Tyson-Mike/dp/B001UV4XBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1291925632&sr=8-1

alicia banks said...

hey uts:

cc this to elin woods:


robin refused to take a dime in her divorce from mike!!!

the golddigger slander is just another lie u ojs keep slinging....shame!!!
____

http://books.google.com/books?id=4K4DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=robin+givens+did+not+get+any+money+in+divorce&source=bl&ots=NOgd8mwP-1&sig=MUUJu-ogfpx_iAuxuiDVThydChk&hl=en&ei=0jkBTa6wOoW0lQeurZHsCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false

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alicia banks said...

love is blind...

i think like many fallible humans do, robin just fell in love with the wrong deeply abused and damaged person...

she said his persistence seduced her

and she knew that demonic murderer don king had robbed mike blind...

she left mike's remaining then/ now nonexistent cash alone out of human empathy!

Rudy said...

"uptownsteve said...

blah, blah, blah

I bet sex with Halle Berry is like reading the National Review.

3 straight cheating husbands can't be wrong."


LOL... that's funny.

LACoincidental said...

uptownsteve said...

"halle is abused by whorish men of all ages like most women of all ages...and???"

blah, blah, blah

I bet sex with Halle Berry is like reading the National Review.

3 straight cheating husbands can't be wrong.


You know you're wrong, Steve. Its probably true, but you're dead wrong for saying.

Seriously, most men will tell you that nothing worse than pretty boring chick in bed or life in general. Supermodels like Halle Berry are paid to be pretty, and not much else. And sex with mannequins isn't fun.

AB, yeah there are plenty of guys living out boyhood sex fantasy in the strip club. But you never take one home. You don't take that ride off the lot unless you see the "CarFax" (aka a recent STD test).

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alicia banks said...

rudy/uts:

to each their own

i find no humor in any woman's pain...halle included

but now that wesley snipes drama...yes!

the thought of some huge muscular con knocking the hearing out of wesley's ear the very same way he did halle...

that cracks me up!

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/celebrity.news.gossip/12/09/snipes.jail/index.html?hpt=T2

alicia banks said...

lac:

it is not what they do in the cars at the clubs...it is how they drag fatal diseases/stress home from the clubs to their legal spouses that burn rubber in divorce cts all over america....
nahmean?

halle's ex husbands have gone in hard on halle in mags and on tv etc for yrs...

but not a one has ever said she was not beautiful or great in bed
...not even that batterer/con/tax dodger wesley

only men halle would never do go there....why is that lac????

alicia banks said...

weak oj nigs like uts love to hate all beautiful strong smart educated classy black women like robin g...

she has never been given the respect she deserves as an actress/wife/warrior/mom etc...

that oj nig bryant gumble dissed her too and she shamed him

robin g is happy and a great single mom to 2 adopted sons and she could not care less what nigs like uts think of her...

nor the millions who owe her an apology now that mike tyson has come clean on ALL she ever stated as fact!!!

alicia banks said...

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1991-05-03/news/9105030660_1_gumbel-robin-givens-tabloid

La♥audiobooks said...

I never got the John Lennon hype either, maybe it's because I was a small child when he died. Ringo always had a nice catch to it, and hey remember the "Monkeys"? And I don't get all that hype about Lennon's wife either. I'm also with LAC, but growing up I didn't even know McCarthy was one of the beetles until I reached close to an adult (I know...)

Hey AB,

Oh shit, Steve is bashing Halle Berry mow? Halle Berry? Well you might as well call it a wrap for Gabrielle Union, Angela Basset, Kelly Rowland, and... they're all good and done with now, no chance in sticking around, LOL.

But who cares what Steve thinks anyway...

AB, have you notice the timing when black males like Steve all of a sudden started bashing Halle? Did it have something to do with Monsters and Balls and that young white model perhaps? LOL. I guess things were all good as long as she was being banged and abused by other... never mind.

LACoincidental said...

alicia banks said...

lac:

it is not what they do in the cars at the clubs...it is how they drag fatal diseases/stress home from the clubs to their legal spouses that burn rubber in divorce cts all over america....
nahmean?

halle's ex husbands have gone in hard on halle in mags and on tv etc for yrs...

but not a one has ever said she was not beautiful or great in bed
...not even that batterer/con/tax dodger wesley

only men halle would never do go there....why is that lac????


First of all only really stupid shallow men pick up random trim from the club. Most men are NOT taking strippers or any random chick in the club home.

And yes, the whole "statue in bed" thing unspoken man code AB - pretty women who go from man to man like a party blunt are either boring in bed, make really bad choices in men (this is the real big one), are completely insane or have some other flaw that great looks and or the perfect body simply can't outweigh.

alicia banks said...

newsflash lac:

ugly men and women cheat even more than pretty ones....they need the attn more

and halle is NOT to blame for what her cheating husbands do!...as is no woman or man!

La♥audiobooks said...

I meant "McCartney".

alicia banks said...

hey laa!

ditto

i actually think cdick is uts...
and cdick started the bashing herein today...

shame!!!!

alicia banks said...

lac:

lots of people DO have it all

great beauty and personalities
inside and out

and guess what?

they all get cheated on too!!!

ie
ask

janet jackson
shemar moore
blair underwood
brenda sykes
etc!!!

alicia banks said...

lac:

i am sure in your great interpersonal wisdom u have heard:

"show me a TOTALLY flawless woman and i will show you a man who is tired of her"...

cheating has nothing to do with perfection....it is all about carnal temptation. period.

men do not cheat because of imperfections but erections!

alicia banks said...

and women cheat because of emotional detachment...ie

we usually do not get aroused until we are already out of love!

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uptownsteve said...

"AB, have you notice the timing when black males like Steve all of a sudden started bashing Halle? Did it have something to do with Monsters and Balls and that young white model perhaps? LOL. I guess things were all good as long as she was being banged and abused by other... never mind."

Oh I see Precious Jr. has joined in the "bw eternal victims" whine.

You two just make it up as you go along. Anything to salve your bruised egos and boundless self-rightousness.

Halle Berry has ALWAYS been the WHITE FOLKS choice as a "beautiful black woman."

Has she EVER had a love scene with a black man on screen?

It is bw like YOU are obsessed with light skin/dark skin or bm with ww.

Then you pathetically try to project your own neurosis on the main objects of your hate.

Proud, unapologetic black men.

Hate on. No sweat off my back.

I've got a beautiful woman at home.

Who do yall go home to?

A battery powered toy?

alicia banks said...

laa:

do u see oj uts going off into another coke rage???

____

halle bashing uts:

YOU are the basher here boy.

halle is as beautiful as her french man olivier martinez or as blair underwood or brenda sykes...

it is YOU who chooses to bash her and robin BOTH because they are both bfs who would NEVER date a feces colored colorist fool liike YOU!!!

alicia banks said...

even meg ryan who publicly apologized to dennis when he swiftly filed for divorce made it clear that he had cheated on her MANY times before she finally swooned over russell...

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alicia banks said...

laa:

uts is off on his totally irrelevant dildo obsessions again...

they are always
so much more revealing than his impotent lies about his stepford wife...

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uts:

tmi about your wife's chrstmas list!!!!

Hathor said...

Mold,
What do you call old men who still think they are hawt: Wildebeest?

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uptownsteve said...

okay monique

alicia banks said...

uts/beetlejuice dipped in *hit:

u r on a roll!

another dark fat woman exclusively...

we see u lard assed uncle ruckus!!!

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http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DGD57KULeIgg&ei=p00BTdWsO8P7lwe-h-HzCA&usg=AFQjCNGpXyG1790HR_ca5imwGY92v_eJEQ

alicia banks said...

uts:

like precious, monique is beautiful!

it is sad that you hate women who are clones of u and your mama so badly!

uptownsteve said...

sheeit.

My mother didn't look nothin like precious or monique.

Now obviously you must bear a resemblence or you wouldn't be so defensive.

Try a 6 membership at "Curves".

alicia banks said...

uts:

u r way too easy.
&
you are projecting as always:

ie

your demented double negative evinces extreme denial:

"My mother didn't look nothin like precious or monique."

so does your fugly fat face...fyi.

____

why are u sharing your tubby stepford wife's christmas list so?????...tmi!!!!

alicia banks said...

lying loony oj/uts:

wtf???

how is praising their buxom black beauty being "defensive"???

can even a colorist fool like u not see how insane that bogus claim is????

alicia banks said...

hey uts:

stop dissing your mamas and your own fat black fugly mug!!!!

http://www.amazon.com/No-Images/dp/B0010890JS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1291932426&sr=1-1

NO IMAGES

SWEET HONEY IN THE ROCK

Poem by Waring Cuney; Music by Ysaye Maria Barnwell ©1981

She does not know her beauty, her beauty
She thinks her brown body has no glory, no glory
But if she could dance naked ‘neath the palm tree
And see her reflection in the mirror
Then she, then she, then she would know

But there are no trees on the street where she lives and
Dishwater gives back no images

She does not know her beauty, her beauty
She thinks her brown body has no glory, no glory
But if she could dance naked ‘neath the palm trees
And see her reflection in the mirror
Then she, then she, then she would know

alicia banks said...

oj uts:

fat beautiful white women are all over hollywood & history...

and u have never hurled one such insult about them

shame!!!!!

LACoincidental said...

alicia banks said...

lac:

i am sure in your great interpersonal wisdom u have heard:

"show me a TOTALLY flawless woman and i will show you a man who is tired of her"...

cheating has nothing to do with perfection....it is all about carnal temptation. period.

men do not cheat because of imperfections but erections!


I didn't say that, Alicia. People cheat because people are inherently self-centered. We all know this.

But ask any man and he'll tell you that a woman with too many men in her past is usually a sign of trouble. Not matter pretty a woman is, how curvy her body - if she's a dud in bed, a loon, a diva or just plain wrong for you - men will bounce.

I don't know the her personally, but most men see divas like Halle Berry as high end sports cars, they're great for a joy ride but you don't want to commute to work or pick groceries with one of those things. An maintenance is a beast.


From my experience and from my friends, mature men will stay an average looking woman with smarts and personality over a diva any day. At the end of the day, daily drama will drive men away faster than fading looks and weight gain.

And most men put up with a lot from women, a lot more than they get credit for. Nobody's perfect, we all get that. But I think UTS was stating what a lot guys think about all these Hollywood folks - yeah, they're pretty but bring a lot of drama.

uptownsteve said...

"fat beautiful white women are all over hollywood & history..."

Like who?

uptownsteve said...

"But I think UTS was stating what a lot guys think about all these Hollywood folks - yeah, they're pretty but bring a lot of drama."

Not just the Hollywood.

I think most guys, at least guys I know, will tell you that the women they had the most fun with and the best loving with were not the long hair redbones or showcase video types but the downhome, cute, not flashy, funny brownskin girl.

That's what I married.

uptownsteve said...

And that's what BO married.

alicia banks said...

colorist uts:

notice how lac never colorized his comments as u did as always:

" long hair redbones..."

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uts:

hobama dated wfs and still dates wm too...so

hobama is a blackish dl bro...beards do not count!

alicia banks said...

all of the legendary sex symbols like marilyn monroe would be called fat today...when size 0 = beauty


today u have:

camryn manaheim -- (who SIMULTANEOUSKY wooed and played 2 beautiful black men greg hines and jessie martin whom i have never seen with ANY bfs of any wt!

marianne sagebrecht ---- a global wf buxom beauty

ricki lake --
former and future

all are sex symbols and never bashed by ojs like u!!!

ETC....

LACoincidental said...

I think UTS was illustrating what is considered 'beautiful' by American standards, Alicia, not attacking dark skinned sisters.

alicia banks said...

lac:

u r too kind.

uts attacks black women at every opp as alll ojs do

alicia banks said...

and i loathe the ignant terms

"red bone" and "fair skinned"

all bones are white!

fair is not a color!

more evidence of his colorism!

alicia banks said...

mae west would be called obese today!

alicia banks said...

lying uts:

as u bash halle in sex scenes

u only further prove your inability to research

ie

try:

imdb.com

Mack Lyons said...

Being born in the mid-eighties meant missing out on all of this hype over the Beatles. Their music never caught my interest and it most likely never will. I guess I have to look at how people see the Beatles the same way people see Michael Jackson (in regards to pop culture icons).

"AB, have you notice the timing when black males like Steve all of a sudden started bashing Halle? Did it have something to do with Monsters and Balls and that young white model perhaps? LOL. I guess things were all good as long as she was being banged and abused by other... never mind."

The dictonomy between the "abusive Black male" architype, the Black "damsel in distress" and the White male "knight" who swoops in and saves the Black woman from the clutches of the awful, brutish Negro. Am I on the right track here?

This whole misandric theme gets pretty tiring after a while.

"ricki lake --"

You're kidding me, right?

The Purple Cow said...

At the time he wrote ‘Imagine’ Lennon was associated with Tariq Ali’s International Marxists Group. Lennon described Imagine as a “Marxist hymn” it’s his idea of a Marxist utopia. Along with ‘Born In The USA’, one of the two most miss-interpreted songs in rock history.

I knew some people in the IMG, and I attended a couple of meeting, but in the final analysis what irritated me about the IMG is what irritates me about Imagine.

Read the lyrics, they tell you all you need to know about late ‘70’s and early ‘80’s Marxists. Vapid, naïve romantics dreaming of a world that will never be. The problem with Marxists is that they believe the human race comprises of fundamentally good and decent people who will give up materialism, war, greed and religion if someone could just show them an alternative. It’s not that way, I wish it was, but it never will be.

They were also obsessed with internationalism, forever passing resolutions supporting striking Turkish steel workers, (or whatever) while ignoring the plight of the unemployed single mother just a couple of hundred meters down the road.

LACoincidental said...

The Purple Cow said...

At the time he wrote ‘Imagine’ Lennon was associated with Tariq Ali’s International Marxists Group. Lennon described Imagine as a “Marxist hymn” it’s his idea of a Marxist utopia. Along with ‘Born In The USA’, one of the two most miss-interpreted songs in rock history.

I knew some people in the IMG, and I attended a couple of meeting, but in the final analysis what irritated me about the IMG is what irritates me about Imagine.

Read the lyrics, they tell you all you need to know about late ‘70’s and early ‘80’s Marxists. Vapid, naïve romantics dreaming of a world that will never be. The problem with Marxists is that they believe the human race comprises of fundamentally good and decent people who will give up materialism, war, greed and religion if someone could just show them an alternative. It’s not that way, I wish it was, but it never will be.

They were also obsessed with internationalism, forever passing resolutions supporting striking Turkish steel workers, (or whatever) while ignoring the plight of the unemployed single mother just a couple of hundred meters down the road.


Sounds a lot like my experience with many a Naderite and activist type during my days in the Green Party.

Another point too - these folks don't realize how many blatant failures and non-starts have come from their so-called leaders. Tariq Ali's been protesting British imperialism for what, 4 decades now? He's made a comfortable name for himself as a writer, but not much difference.

Same goes for Cornell West, Chomsky, Nader, Huffington and a slew of other old guard new Left and their many acolytes who haven't made any real dents in the our corrupt for years.

Like the old Chris Rock joke 'Back in the day we had guys like Malcolm, Martin, Mandela and Medgar. Now we have a bunch of substitute teachers.'

Rottnkid said...

I look at the comments everyday and there's 2 people that make me smile everyday - UTS and LAC. You two are hilarious!

Felix said...

alicia banks said...
"mae west would be called obese today!"

But your fatness is timeless, Alicia.

La♥audiobooks said...

"The dictonomy between the "abusive Black male" architype, the Black "damsel in distress" and the White male "knight" who swoops in and saves the Black woman from the clutches of the awful, brutish Negro. Am I on the right track here?"


Mack,

Did you grow up among all women in your household? I'm kind of surprise at your young age, I thought you were older. You are so set in your ways, promptly defensive and damaged just like Steve, who can be your father (is he?).

It's not even funny. You are far more dangerous than you appear to be. When you get emotional, you taunt girls and embellish statements beyond recognition. You become a gossiping melee man on dramatizing steroids. You do this all the time. Post-traumatic-lack-of-male-figure-syndrome. I suppose.

I bet the women folk in your household must have had a hard time hiding personal affairs and gossip from you, they would whisper amongst themselves until you go sleep. Where is your dignity?

The Purple Cow said...

"Another point too - these folks don't realize how many blatant failures and non-starts have come from their so-called leaders. Tariq Ali's been protesting British imperialism for what, 4 decades now? He's made a comfortable name for himself as a writer, but not much difference.

Same goes for Cornell West, Chomsky, Nader, Huffington and a slew of other old guard new Left and their many acolytes who haven't made any real dents in the our corrupt for years."


LAC - Bob on, mate. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Anonymous said...

Poor Macklying, he never learns his lesson.