Cam, they might love you in War Eagle Nation, but some folks ain't too thrilled with your act.
"If you haven't seen it, Nolan Nawrocki tore into Cam Newton in the Pro Football Weekly Draft Preview. Some NFL reporters are saying it's the most scathing review they've ever seen for a prospect in The Pro Football Weekly, which is a highly-respected publication that compiles comprehensive information about incoming rookies.
Under negatives, Nawrocki writes: "Very disingenuous -- has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them." Nawrocki wasn't done. "as an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law -- does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room."' [Source]
Ouch! I swear a black man can't "win for losing". If you don't smile you are angry, if you do smile, you are "disingenuous". Methinks this Nawrocki guy is a hater. (I hear he was actually a frustrated college player before he got into writing.) Anyway, now, as is to be expected in A-merry-ca, it has become a racial issue.
Warren Moon has weighed in on the subject, and if anyone has the right to talk about this subject it's Warren Moon. Folks, you remember Warren Moon, don't you? He is the guy with a cannon of an arm ---and the brains to match-- who broke all kinds of records at U Dub and led them to the 1978 Rose Bowl, but didn't get drafted in the NFL because of the color of his skin. He had to go North and play in Canada and had to win five straight Grey Cups before he could get a shot in the NFL. Now, as is to be expected, white folks are calling out Moon for playing the race card.
Nawrocki himself is getting all defensive. (As if he didn't want the attention) Now I don't know if Nawrocki is a racist, a hater, or both. But what I do know is how defensive some folks can get when the R charge is made.
"As long as people keep playing the race card for every little thing, racism will never go away."
"At least Moon left out the slavery issue. What a doofus. "
"Why do people try to make everything into a racial issue?" "
Nothing new here….you can never criticize a black player…if so you are obviously a racist. It is interesting that football can have a black coaches association…Congress has a Congressional Black Caucus…and there is a Miss Black America Beauty Pageant. Funny how that goes. Oh…and if you fire a black coach or manager…its oviously racially motivated."
An then, of course, Mr. Nawrocki himself had something else to say:
“I think it’s absurd,” Nawrocki said. “I mean, anybody that is familiar with the publication, you can go back and look at what was said about [Notre Dame quarterback] Jimmy Clausen. It was some of the same things. He came across as very scripted and disingenuous in interviews. . . . We treat every player the same. We’re just trying to get to the end result. . . . Evaluate the character and get the evaluation right. I think the best evaluators in the NFL are colorblind in their assessments, and we treat it the same way. We’re not trying to take shots at anybody. It’s all about getting the evaluations right.”
Of course.
The content of their throwing arm not the color of their skin. Right Nolan?
92 comments:
Ummmm... I'm not sure why this is automatically racist, unless Nawrocki has a history of racism. His comments about Jimmy Clausen were similar and similarly nasty. Maybe he's just bitter and angry at most young athletes?
The comments defending him certainly sound racist though. Anyone who blames racism on its victims is pretty obviously a racist.
White folks love to bring up so-called reverse racism issues: such as the black coaches association, the Congressional Black Caucus,and the Miss Black America Beauty Pageant.
NEWS FLASH: WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE THINGS BUT FOR WHITE RACISM!!!
NOW YOU WANT TO EXPERIENCE DENIAL OR AMNESIA??? PLEASE!
"As long as people keep playing the race card for every little thing, racism will never go away."? AGAIN, PLEASE! WHAT AN ABSURD STATEMENT!
As long as there are whites, racism will never go away.
Don't care at all. My concern is that the Bengals trade up and get Cam. I'm all for it and will be turning in my stripes if they don't.
BTW, kiss off assnon
Not you anon. The other assnon.
Brotha Field,
Since you coined the term Radio Rwanda for the thousands of right-wing radio stations across this land, I thought you might be interested to know that Ismael Reed will be appearing on Cspan's "In Depth" tomorrow at 12:00 P.M., Est. He will be discussing his latest book, (Barack Obama and The Jim Crow Media: The Return of the Nigger Breakers).
The following is an excerpt from an interview Reed did on this subject last year:
Q: Given your analysis in the “Jim Crow Media,” how do people of color, progressives and others critique Barack Obama without colluding with corporate America’s agenda?
A: I have some problems with some of Obama’s policies, but as long as these people are threatening to kill him and his family, and calling his mother, a distinguished Irish-American anthropologist, “white trash” and even worse, I’m on his side. All of the stored-up bile of white supremacy has exploded like airborne E-Coli as a result of Obama’s election. One Republican site just put up a photo depicting Obama and Michelle as characters in Sanford and Son. He’s not only the nation’s President but he’s also its chief exorcist, like a St.Patrick stoking the nation’s lizard brain.
The progressives are uncomfortable with Obama because they’ve been opposed to black leadership, historically. The progressive media is just as segregated as the corporate media which they are always criticizing from their glass houses. Richard Prince printed a photo of a Huffington Post Xmas party. One black staffer!! The opposition to Obama from people of color comes from the fringes. He has a 90 percent approval rating from blacks, over 60 percent from Hispanics and he carried the Asian-American vote. Yet these arrogant white progressives say they are his base and that he is obligated to them.
Con't
http://www.thedefendersonline.com/2010/05/14/ishmael-reed-on-barac
Its so so typical of black America.When somebody white dares to criticize a black person watch out for the race card!!!!!!!
Nevermind the fact Nawrocki didn't have anything nice to say about Ryan Mallet or serval white players.
Don't you dare criticize a black player....
Anyhoo draft predicting has become big business.
Predict right and your the next Kiper.
Predict wrong and you just disappear.
Cam does have JaMarcus Russell written all over him.
Go for it Bills, you know you want him.LOL
Anon28310 said...
White folks love to bring up so-called reverse racism issues: such as the black coaches association, the Congressional Black Caucus,and the Miss Black America Beauty Pageant.
NEWS FLASH: WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE THINGS BUT FOR WHITE RACISM!!!
So forming racist groups is a way of solving white racism?
Hypocrisy much?
"As long as people keep playing the race card for every little thing, racism will never go away."? AGAIN, PLEASE! WHAT AN ABSURD STATEMENT!
And the truth shall set you free.
As long as there are whites, racism will never go away.
As long as there are blacks,reverse racism and racial double standards will never go away.
America has had "issues" with Black quaterbacks since Doug Williams (and I've hated the deadskins ever since).
Quite frankly, I'm suprised Cam won the Heisman.
Nawrocki is right. Newton is an immense talent with severe character flaws. He got thrown out of Florida for stealing a fellow student's lap top, he was involved in major pay for paly negotiations with several schools, his teammates hate him. Like Michael Vick or Vince Young, he will win you some ball games, but never a Super Bowl. I wouldn't want him on my team.
Or should I say Cam was allowed to win the Heisman.
AB said...
America has had "issues" with Black quaterbacks since Doug Williams (and I've hated the deadskins ever since).
Quite frankly, I'm suprised Cam won the Heisman.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.
"Cam does have JaMarcus Russell written all over him."
How so? Their playing styles are totally different. But I will take a wild guess why you said that......
Ms. Ann thanks for the 411 on that book. Reed is an excellent author.
Oh Lawd Sick, you are a Bungles fan? I feel for you.
Watching the NCAA's now, and unless Kentucky can mount a comeback it will be UConn and Butler will be battling in the finals.
vincent said...
He got thrown out of Florida for stealing a fellow student's lap top, he was involved in major pay for paly negotiations with several schools, his teammates hate him.
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I graduated from Florida and I'm pretty sure my recollection is correct in saying that they've never had a black starting quarterback LONG TERM. In fact, thanks in large part to Steve Spurrior, no Black quaterback will EVER be welcomed there LONG TERM.
If Cam was really involved with pay for play, I'm sure he could have purchased a laptop.
@WFWC
Boy I really hate the false comparisons. People compare the Black Panther Party to the Klan when they should compare them to the White Panthers Party. The first point of the White Panthers Party plan is that they approve of the Black Panthers ten point plan. BTW folks, they WERE more extreme than the Black Panthers. Ever listened to Iggy Pop and the MC5's? They hung out with P-Funk, that Parliament Funkadelic for some of you that don't know about 'da bomb. Wayne Kramer hung out with George Clinton and the crew and even let them use their "Marshalls". There wouldn't be any "Punk" music without Vanilla Fudge, The MC5's, and the Stooges. Then the Stooges influenced David Bowie, which influenced Kraftwerk, which influenced Hip Hop.
CLASS DISMISSED !
field negro said...
"Cam does have JaMarcus Russell written all over him."
How so? Their playing styles are totally different. But I will take a wild guess why you said that......
Lack of work ethic ,leadership skills,etc...
Has anyone asked Donovan McNabb his toughts?
Dr Queen. What about Steve Spurrier and Black QBs? Tell me about it, I have no idea.
Dr. Queen said...
I graduated from Florida and I'm pretty sure my recollection is correct in saying that they've never had a black starting quarterback LONG TERM. In fact, thanks in large part to Steve Spurrior, no Black quaterback will EVER be welcomed there LONG TERM.
Chris Leak,anyone?
"Has anyone asked Donovan McNabb his toughts?"
Let's ask Rush.
"Lack of work ethic ,leadership skills,etc..."
I swear you say this stuff just to get a rise out of folks. You can't be serious.
Good thing I qualified my statement with the word recollect, LOL!!
Okay, you got me with ONE, but do you really believe there are NO black high school students playing quarterback in the US but the South espeically that are good enough to play for Florida? EVERY black high school quarterback knows that if you want to play and not get "converted" to wide receiver, you'd better NOT head to Florida.
And I'm certain Chris Leaks was only picked because they didn't have a choice due to his talent, but trust me had there been a white boy that could play half as well as Leaks, they would have played him instead.
One?!?!!
And now that you've jarred my memory, how close did Leaks come to losing his starting spot to Tim Tebow?
FYI, NO white quarterback at Florida in his senior year with Leak's talent would EVER have had to worry about something like this happening to them!
Dr. Queen said...
FYI, NO white quarterback at Florida in his senior year with Leak's talent would EVER have had to worry about something like this happening to them!
Was that Urb's first year? Wasn't there a 2 qb system?
Anyhoo, sayin' the ole ball coach is racist?
He's had a few hispanic qb's at SC.
The thing with the laptop came about because Urb had to explain away why Cam didn't start at Florida. Urb had to dish some dirt.....Wouldn't be shocked if alot of bad stuff thats in the media about Cam came from Florida.
SEC schools are just dirty like that.
Anytime someone comes out of nowhere and did what Newton did there's going to be alot of hatin'. I said on this site months ago it was coming so Nawrocki's hatin' is no surprise.
The UCONN/Kentucky game looked like it had bigger and faster players then the VCU/Butler game. But I won't be surprised if Butler takes it Monday.
You know Field, some people are just full of chicken-shits of Christmas Turkey. Black or white.
To play on a familiar phrase: those who can't do, criticize. It's jealousy, actually. They usually pick the easiest targets. People who are already targets of a beat down.
Just look at that "pastor" in FL. He can't make it as a real Christian, so he blows the dog whistle on Muslims.
Pathetic. If that publications keeps him, how 'well respected' can they continue to be?
"Nothing new here….you can never criticize a black player…if so you are obviously a racist. It is interesting that football can have a black coaches association…Congress has a Congressional Black Caucus…and there is a Miss Black America Beauty Pageant. Funny how that goes. Oh…and if you fire a black coach or manager…its oviously racially motivated."
This guy has no idea why any of these organizations came into existence in the first place.
And the problem isn't issuing Cam a scathing review. It's that this Nawrocki guy most likely wouldn't issue this scathing of a review to a similar white prospect. Instead of presenting himself as a stumbling block for white prospect by offering public criticism, he'd take him aside privately and tell him what was up, and then publicly go out of his way to help him in any way possible.
Mack Lyons said... wah wah wah
You are such a little bitch.
fartman said...
Just look at that "pastor" in FL. He can't make it as a real Christian, so he blows the dog whistle on Muslims.
Some pastor in florida burns a koran and so far muslims murder 321 and behead 2 people. the religion of pieces.
islam is fucking insane.
Anon28310 said...
As long as there are whites, racism will never go away.
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Newsflash: Most whites don't hate blacks, they are just sick of their whining asses.
Most blacks, on the other hand, hate whites from dawn til dusk.
Blacks are the ones invested and committed to racism.
Sorry bro, but that's the truth.
HA HA! Mu shu pork butt, ever hear of the crusades? How many muslims have so-called christians travelled thousands of miles to murder them just because they were alive. I don't think they have the market cornered on civility. Up to and including Bush's self-described crusades in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The U.S. wasn't exactly invited over there, were they, dumbass?
fartman said...
HA HA! Mu shu pork butt, ever hear of the crusades?
Um, like a THOUSAND years ago, when Chrisitians began to fight back against a muslim offensive that had been going on for centuries?
Islam is death cult founded by a pedophile that is (in the here and now) the source of 99% of religiously motivated violence on earth. Absolutely insane.
So, poke the bear. Is that your answer?
Like a guy I know said about someone else: "your sound like a person that would stand on 125th street in Harlem wearing a sandwich board reading: "I hate Ni@@ers", and be surprised when you get shot."
field negro said...
"Has anyone asked Donovan McNabb his toughts?"
Let's ask Rush
Ask Rush? Cool FN, you surprised me, I never would have guessed you were into progressive rock. RUSH is one helluva band. Hope they tour again this year.
Hmmm... when Newton came to Buffalo, everyone (media included) mentioned how genuine and likeable he was. And we don't have a Black media here.
This guy may not be a racist, but he sure sounds like a hater.
"Newsflash: Most whites don't hate blacks, they are just sick of their whining asses.
Most blacks, on the other hand, hate whites from dawn til dusk.
Blacks are the ones invested and committed to racism.
Sorry bro, but that's the truth."
That's what gets me. White people, the majority of this nation, who have committed themselves to implementing policies and institutionalizing stereotypical notions that served to harm the minority black population, either by outright inslaving them or, when that eventually failed, denying them economic freedoms, social equality, due process and the right to be treated as human fucking beings, now claim that blacks are somehow "invested" and "committed" to racism. How the fuck does that happen?
Or is it the fact that whites see blacks continuously pointing the color-aroused injustices that still happen on a daily basis as somehow "whining"? Maybe they're thinking that blacks should simply "shut the fuck up and stop whining" so whites won't have to be confronted with the whole "racism" and "white privilege" thing anymore?
"Mack Lyons said... wah wah wah
You are such a little bitch."
"vincent". Nice name for a sockpuppet account. Now who's hand is shoved up that puppet's ass?
Sorry dude. Maybe I shouldn't have been so much of a dick.
What is 'reverse racism'? Isn't racism good enough? Or do witeTrash need a more special kind?
The writer claims to be 'colorblind' like dog whistling NewRacists...then immediately goes into how being a racist is looked upon with disfavor. Poor baby. Must be tough not being able to say migger.
If the only voices in your head are eveelLibrul and right-wing propaganda Wurlitzer...then using that very simple and inaccurate description would make HuffPo Liberal by default...as they don't lie nearly as they 'should'. Still, to any rational observer, HuffPo is not Liberal nor Progressive. Like Sarey's 'tale' of DownsBaby, once you start the fib...you are trapped by it.
ManDumpling sold his slobbering drool towards sports as expertise. While I am astounded at his talent for spouting Gooberish for hours...I wonder how a 'sports fan' could be so ignorant of the game and the players. And the invective of ego was always directed at those citizens who were AfAm.
The gulf was brought to us by the continued wish to find OJ guilty...of something, anything. Even today, wites NEED him to suffer...because there is a dead white woman. Proof is immaterial.
Now...why do ManDumpling and bush tell us so very often they are 'fans' but know so very little about the subject? Compare your 'typical' Trekkie or fanboy knowledge to that of self-professed ones like ManDumpling and bush. Try this with gun-fondlers, carfans, railfans, cat fanciers...even to those really creepy people who put their small daughters in 'pageants'.
I used to live in an area with 'farm teams' for sports franchises. It was in the little leagues that genetically gifted athletes were schooled in the non-answer answer to Katie Cutie questions about what the person read. And how to appear humble, because the couch potato R at home would be upset to hear Truth. To repeat homilies for the wannabees and simpletons.
Since it was a less intense scrutiny, we were able to chat far more freely at the local purveyor of relaxants. I still laugh when I see a familiar face spout the company line...for millions. Wonder how much the wingnut sockpuppeteers get?
Mold
Anonymous said...
ManDumpling sold his slobbering drool towards sports as expertise. While I am astounded at his talent for spouting Gooberish for hours...I wonder how a 'sports fan' could be so ignorant of the game and the players.
Please provide us with proof.Attack, attack,attack.You must feel so brave hiding behind your computer screen.
When someone ask you to back up what you say with facts, you get scared, not so brave, you do what Libtards do.Cry and play victim.
We know you suffer from delusions of grandeur,low self esteem, and depression.You should get help.Don't they have free healthcare in Canada?Or do you live in America?Its so confussing because you've claimed to live in both places.
For simple-minded negroes like you all here, the rule is simple: in ANY conflict between a white and a black, the white is a racist and the black is an innocent victim. Anytime.
I'm glad that you half-wits are so loud and unremitting in your angry whining. The more you play the race card, the less anybody cares - but you can't stop and so more and more decent people get turned off by you. Still you can't stop, always looking for that affirmative action advantage. Anybody who disagrees is a Tom, Sure.. sure.
What else is to be expected from a whole race of people whose idea of 'morality' in child-raising is teaching them: "don't ever snitch".
ManDumpling's fetish for sports is well documented, despite the attempt to deflect away from his obsession. As was noted, he made up stuff about McNabb...and dittoheads used to have to suffer through ManDumplings musings on males who played sports.
He does spout Gooberish for hours, that is what the monopoly pays him for.
He claimed to be a 'sports fan' but had less knowledge of the game and players than me...and I am no fan.
Your diagnosis is what makes you happy. Good thing it was only done to support your needs. And the inaccuracy made me smile. There are no delusions of grandeur...wingnuts just can't conceive of adults who are competent because wingnuts don't personally know of any. Low self-esteem I am guilty of...despite evidence. Can't quite shake the old saw of women not measuring to men...for it used to have force of law. Oddly enough, it is common among women my age. Wonder why....NOT. Depression is your hoping for something. I would suggest a visit to a real textbook. APA has a list of not-wingnut sources and you could research instead of pretend.
Mold
In the news: 1,000 innocents are slaughtered in a killing orgy, many or most by machete.
What kind of animalistic people could even partake in hacking cowering civilians to death over and over without feeling revulsion? You guessed it, without even knowing that the location was Ivory Coast, anybody would instantly know that it was done by negroes.
Now, take the race least able to be civilized and transport them into a civilized country and what do you get? The "African-American" crime wave.
@Sunday
"What else is to be expected from a whole race of people whose idea of 'morality' in child-raising is teaching them: "don't ever snitch".
You are correct. Snooki and her people need to stop the pratice of "Omerta".
@Chimp Out
"What kind of animalistic people could even partake in hacking cowering civilians to death over and over without feeling revulsion? You guessed it, without even knowing that the location was Ivory Coast, anybody would instantly know that it was done by negroes".
Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin WERE not NEGROES. A low estimate of the amount of people they killed could be 60 million.
haha! kid, being a negro, uses negro-logic: if 90% of negroes act a certain way, and 5% of whites act a certain way, then there is no difference between blacks and whites.
negroes have no ability to understand the concept of rates or prevalence, so they use that same argument every single time :)
now let's hear the rest of you
negroes agree that kid is right
no wonder a negro can't do well in school
do negroes use their tv sets for anything other than sports? Oh, and Soul Train, of course
I like that name "Chimp Out". If you people ever watched a documentary showing chimpanzees having violent tantrums every few minutes, you'd know how well it fits.
Now which of you negroes is going to threaten me with
prison violence or street violence? That's all you know, poor things.
We so soon forget how wonderfully wite catholics treated their fellows. Those Inquisition tools were designed for long, excruciating impositions of pain upon others. One might mention the Hatfield-McCoy feud...but then I would have to hear how 'Utterly Different(tm)' this is from savagery. Speaking of this, what about wite 'bortion foes? Or heroic wite bombers? Or the wonderful murdering scum of slavery proponents/opponents? Bloody Kansas, anyone?
'Gangs of New York' was just a movie...but it had some basis in Reality. What about the union-busting thugs of Wyoming...who bravely and heroically opened fire on sleeping women and children? Or the numerous incidents in PA?
Triangle Shirtwaist was NOT the only fire...just the one that remains in the public imagination.
Silly Heeyucks, being bootlickers only makes us laugh at you.
Mold
"...no wonder a negro can't do well in school..."
This from someone who probably lives in in a trailer park and makes less money per year than we pay in taxes. Nice!
Maybe you should start trying to attend our schools. ;)
kid said...
"Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin WERE not NEGROES. A low estimate of the amount of people they killed could be 60 million."
Right kid, they were not negroes, they were SOCIALISTS.
FN 11:51 How can you even say that with a straight face, we know how well black kids are doing in schools. you have blogged about it.
Some say classism is an evil, just as racism. I guess you expect all of your readers to come from middle class homes and not "trailers". I urge you to reach out to those beyond the middle class and perhaps your comment about trailers offends some. But do you care? That would be the question. You frame of reference excludes the poor. We are not all wealthy attorneys FN. SMH
"What kind of animalistic people could even partake in hacking cowering civilians to death over and over without feeling revulsion? You guessed it, without even knowing that the location was Ivory Coast, anybody would instantly know that it was done by negroes"
Yes, because it's so much more civilized to just shoot innocent people to death.
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/photogallery.aspx?cp-documentid=4578133&page=4
"Some say classism is an evil, just as racism. I guess you expect all of your readers to come from middle class homes and not "trailers". I urge you to reach out to those beyond the middle class and perhaps your comment about trailers offends some."
OK, you are right; I am sorry. Not all people in trailers are poor- or even uneducated.- I guess that's what double wides are for. :)
sahib said...
kid said...
"Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin WERE not NEGROES. A low estimate of the amount of people they killed could be 60 million."
Right kid, they were not negroes, they were SOCIALISTS.
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Just like Barack Obama, who certainly is a socialist, but definitely not a negro.
@sahib
Stalin was a Communist, Hitler was a Fascist, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is a Socialist, and Dr. King was a Social Democrat.
@Anonymous 12:24PM
The POTUS is not a Socialist. You wonder how do I know that he's not, because Bill Sammon VP of Fox News said so. Now while I wouldn't call the POTUS a negro; many Republicans do call him a N word and I don't mean Nigerian. So it's offical, HE'S BLACK!
kid said...
@sahib
"Stalin was a Communist, Hitler was a Fascist, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is a Socialist, and Dr. King was a Social Democrat."
All just differences in degree, not ideology. Some just a few steps from respect for individual rights and freedom, some a long way.
The Big Lie of the late 20th century was that Nazism was Rightist. It was in fact typical of the Leftism of its day. It was only to the Right of Stalin's Communism. The very word "Nazi" is a German abbreviation for "National Socialist" (Nationalsozialist) and the full name of Hitler's political party (translated) was "The National Socialist German Workers' Party" (In German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei).
Socialism, according to Karl Marx, is the transition between capitalism and communism. To achieve communism, Marx says, there must be continuing revolution in which the fundamental principal is: The end justifies the means.
Obama believes in wealth redistribution, health care as a "right", affordable housing as a "right", government control of the economy, government regulaiton of private sector salaries, and the legality of forced unionization.
Obama is a socialist. He uses his facade of "blackness" only a as a tool to advance socialism.
Golly gee, if we just make up 'stuff' and say it...like our wingnut leaders, folks will just beleeverate as wingnuts do.
Nope.
If you are going to lie about Karl Marx, please continue to do so at your 'church'. Some of us have actually read Marx...in the original...and will point out you are lying.
Wealth redistribution is where your CEO GOPDaddygawd takes the money that would go to you. Using taxes as apportioned is not wealth redistribution...or do you say the same nonsense about military spending?
In many nations, health care is a right. Where you can not be denied care for being poor, female or a minority. What hatred drives your wish to deny basic coverage to all?
Shelter is considered a basic need. Why are you so interested in making children homeless? Does that increase the number willing to accept your 'advances' for housing?
All governments control their economy. Must be you slept through/were Left Behind for that bit of history.
Government has set salary levels for years. Why are you whining about it now? Is it the 'exclusive and unique' nature of the right/right moderate R current President? Or do you fear the government would benchmark what you do?
There is no forced unionization. Shame that you have to abide by a legal and majority decision to belong to a union and pay dues for union services. You can always quit. See how well a low-educated Gooberian Heeyuck does in the Free Market. Well...I'm waiting. Anytime. Just quit. Go ahead, give up that union that was foisted upon 'Your Majesty'.
Nice Google for Nazi. You could also do actual research on the organization and its aims. There is, like, reams of material...IN ENGLISH...so you won't have to learn German. Pretty much the Nazis and TeaTards and wingnuts and neocons and some Rs are right wing...and unlike you...were honest about it.
Pouting and throwing a hissy that everyone knows what your beleefs are...makes me laugh at you.
Mold
"Obama believes in wealth redistribution, health care as a "right", affordable housing as a "right", government control of the economy, government regulaiton of private sector salaries, and the legality of forced unionization."
Well, if this is all true,he has my vote in 2012!
field negro said...
"Well, if this is all true,he has my vote in 2012!"
Well, if healthcare is a "right", then legal representation should be as well, correct? And that you therefore be compelled to render your services for whatever runumeration is deemed appropriate or affordable by the government, right?
In other words, you think that you should be a slave. Or at least that healthcare workers sould be slaves, since if someone has a "right" to their labor, they are indeed slaves.
@ Johnny Ray
First you are a crackpot because you had a hyperlink to World Net Daily where a guy that ran for President had a VP that prays every day for the POTUS to die. Second, SLAVES ARE NOT PAID!
kid said...
@ Johnny Ray
" SLAVES ARE NOT PAID!"
You have to feed, clothe and house slaves, so yes they are paid, just not the fair value of their labor and not by free contract.
If healthcare is a right, and providers are compelled to provide it at less than they would charge and by dictate of the government, then they are indeed slaves. Better paid, better treated, but slaves.
Why do liberals want to be slaves? Why do they wish to trade freedom for material security?
We may have a moral duty to provide aid to those in need, or to provide food to those who are hungry, but our compassion is not a “right” of the needy.
Socialists try to attack true rights by creating false ones. True (or natural) rights are inherent to each person and are not granted by any government. Life, liberty, and property are natural rights.
Legal rights are those that are bestowed by governments as part of regulating the affairs of the individuals who make up a society. In a free society, legal rights cannot infringe on natural rights.
Anything you do to infringe on other people’s natural rights is not a “right”.
All of this was worked out by renaissance philosophers (see John Locke) and resulted in the most free, most prosperous societies the world has ever known. It seems ironic that so many African Americans, the group most harmed by their long exclusion from the guarantee of Natural rights would, at the moment of their inclusion, embrace the politics of those would overthrow such guarantees for the false promises of socialism.
@Johnny Ray
I don't give a fuck what book you read, people are not idiots. You have Kasich, Walker, and the other Thugs are trying to steal America from the people and give it to the Koch family and other billionaires. That's called a Plutocracy. People on the left WISH that the POTUS was a Communist or a Socialist so he could TAKE these businesses from these punk who have made the highest profits EVER and hire people. If Communism comes to America it will be BECAUSE of the Koch family and their friends.
Johnny Ray, is Medicaid a Socialist program?
How about Medicare and Social Security?
kid said...
@Johnny Ray
I don't give a fuck what book you read....
Well said kid, let me paraphrase:
"I don't care if what you say is true, I want to the government to steal from those who have more than I do"
Of all the leaders who advanced the cause of humanity in the last half century, the two perhaps considered the greatest were Martin Luther King Jr. and Nelson Mendela. Why?, because they realized revenge would not help their people, that what was needed was a univeral equal protection under the law, and that true freedom could not be achieved by compromising on natural rights. Both achieved change by holding the societies they lived in accountable to their own professed ideals.
You would abandon the protection of the constitution for some ephemeral, short term gain that is itself illusory. Socialism depends on an endless supply of fools.
field negro said...
Johnny Ray, is Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security a Socialist program?
To the extent that they are compulsory and funded by the compulsory donations of others, yes.
A society may decide that it has a moral obligation to care for the sick and elderly. This does not make such care a "right".
@Johnny Ray
"I don't care if what you say is true, I want to the government to steal from those who have more than I do"
To quote kid "when is paying your taxes stealing"? My business teacher Dr. Plavac taught me that "there's is what's right, what's wrong, and then there is the law. You can't change what's right, you can't change what's wrong, but you can change the law". General Electric didn't pay any taxes last year. One year Rupert Murdoch didn't pay any taxes, yes it's legal but is it right? Hell even the Capo di Tutti Frank Costello in the Kefauver hearing said that he paid his taxes. Using your logic there was nothing wrong with slavery because it was legal too.
she/he's right field, you should watch those classist remarks. there are a lot of hard working folk out here who live in trailers. folk that come here to support you, but really don't want to be ridiculed.
field negro said...
OK, you are right; I am sorry. Not all people in trailers are poor- or even uneducated.- I guess that's what double wides are for. :)
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Actually Field, you don't owe anyone an apology for calling it like you see it.
The problem I have with the classist school of thought is that white folks get FAR more leeway in the use of classist terms. For example, when Blacks say that whites are trailer trash we're typically referring to those who are poor, uneducated, AND espouse racist views.
OTOH, white folks use the term ghetto to describe ANY Black person who doesn't conform to their anti-minority agenda. And if that Black person expresses themselves with even a small modicum of enthusiasm, then all ghetto labelling holy hell breaks loose.
In other words, to a lot of whites, blacks need to either be Clarence Thomas or are defacto James Evans.
kid, just because a wingnut pretends to have read Locke does not mean they have...just that it came from a wingnut scam tank and is used to justify something a wingnut really, really wants.
Note how their alleged free society allus has wite folks at the top. See how your contract with an employer is based on the employer holding all the benefits..and this is fair.
What witeRay isn't mentioning is that the pay for health care services is negotiated...or WAS. Seems wingnuts were so mortally offended by the very idea of Universal...they refused to pay the wages and salaries. It has never been the Socialists...but the Cons who deny to pay. However did witeRay miss this? It was in nearly every paper in every nation with Universal. Since the wingnuts could not remove health care...as the overwhelming majority of citizens love it (exceptions being incest practitioners, abusers and those who are horrified their taxes are used for social good)...they removed the funding. Lets the scam artists show a pouty face for the 'failure' of government as they gleefully impoverish those who work for a living.
Oh...Canada and the UK have the stuff in English...if one would deign to read.
Mold
You might wish to know 'natural rights' very much included the right to own others. The poser might forget to mention this.
Mold
"To the extent that they are compulsory and funded by the compulsory donations of others, yes."
Would you consider them good programs?
@Johnny Ray
Dr. Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela supporters were from the left. Neo Nazis, white supremist and Republicans did not support them. They were supported by Liberals, Socialist, Communist, and Gays everything that Republicans hate. BTW, who was the guy that wrote the introduction to Nelson Mandela's book? Look it up Johnny.
BTW, Black people hate it when Neo-Cons usurp our heros and use their philosophy to promote ideas that they are opposed to. You sound like Glenn Beck praising Dr. King when Glenn if he had the chance; would have done exactly what James Earl Ray did.
"do negroes use their tv sets for anything other than sports? Oh, and Soul Train, of course
I like that name "Chimp Out". If you people ever watched a documentary showing chimpanzees having violent tantrums every few minutes, you'd know how well it fits."
Really Field? i know you're all about freedom of speech but c'mon dude. Is there ANYWHERE Black folks can go have adult discussions without racists mucking up the works? Then you have other fools that ignore this racist drivel and blame US for racism. WFWC did you read this? you see the shit we have to put up with day in and day out? And some have the gall to blame us for racism not going away. Sick.
field negro said.."Would you consider them good programs?"
Yes, but Medicare/Medicaid should be limited only to those who truly need them, and social security funding shold be isolated from the rest of government funding.
"Dr. Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela supporters were from the left. Neo Nazis, white supremist and Republicans did not support them. They were supported by Liberals, Socialist, Communist, and Gays everything that Republicans hate. BTW, who was the guy that wrote the introduction to Nelson Mandela's book? Look it up Johnny."
Good catch Kid. The right who wants so badly to steal the image of Dr. King ignore or don't know many of his personal friends, acquantances and influences were Communists and Socialists. A.Phillip Randolph and Bayard Rustin helped form Dr. King's social views and helped plan the '63 march. I guess were supposed to ignore this and believe he was some kind of Tea party conservative. Then again most of these wingnuts believe Francis Rice's insane blatherings about him being a Republican and secretly supporting Goldwater even though he states in many interviews that he A. was non-partisan and B. opposed to Goldwater because he thought racists would latch on to his state's rights message for harmful purposes.
Medicare/Medicaid is for those who need them...and Social Security is isolated from other government funding.
Before repeating stuff made up to fool Goobers...you might want to actually read up on the subjects.
Or...keep showing blatant ignorance.
Mold
PilotX, funny how the Abekkka himstory always leaves out the good parts. Yes..MLK was Communist/Socialist. Duh. Most who read the Teachings of Jesus come away with such leanings. As Jesus was Communist/Socialist...but never, ever wingnut.
OT patriarchs...the psychopaths who murdered neighbours, molested daughters, treated wives like property, and stole from others..are the wingnut models. I would rather follow Jesus.
Mold
"Really Field? i know you're all about freedom of speech but c'mon dude. Is there ANYWHERE Black folks can go have adult discussions without racists mucking up the works? Then you have other fools that ignore this racist drivel and blame US for racism. WFWC did you read this? you see the shit we have to put up with day in and day out? And some have the gall to blame us for racism not going away. Sick."
No no no PilotX, as repulsive as these cretins are, you need to know that they are out there.
Just hold your nose and skip over them.
Also Mold, white people don't understand that most Black people in this country have a very different experience with Communism/Socialism/Marxism. Many of our leaders were heavily influenced by Marxist teachings. The Communists were one of the first groups to treat Black people as equals and fight racism while many good Americans accepted the persecution and lynchings so is it any surprise we really didn't get into the anti-Communist fight and go all anti-red like many of them? When American are beating my ass and discriminating against me in my own country I ain't getting all wrapped up hating folks thousands of miles away because I'm supposed to disagree with their philosophy. Red Dawn was a fantasy not a documentary.
PilotX, I hear you. It was easier to identify with the Vietnamese facing an invasion for having the temerity to decline the attentions of fat wite dudes...than to the Heeyuckians who refused to let US citizens be in public spaces.
And why should I be shipped to a foreign land to kill some person for gawd/business needs/politics?
Of course, I have noticed the plethora of chickenhawks among the neocons, wingnuts and Rs.
Mold
PilotX: "Communists were one of the first groups to treat Black people as equals"
Well that's not really true, but assuming it was, do you think it was because they loved black folk, or because fetishizing racism was (and is) a tool to exploit societal divisions and delegitimize capitalism? Does pretending to like black people make up for murdering tens of millions of people and enslaving hundreds of millions?
Yes PilotX,despite my sometimes off color attempts at humor, i do understand the plight of African Americans.
I do fight for and want all things equal.
But what i don't believe in and will fight against is racist Democrat/Liberal policies that seek to use racism against white males has a way to correct racism that blacks have suffered though.
Two wrongs have never made anything right.
I tend not to use the N word out of principle but am going to in this post.
http://www.aavw.org/protest/homepage_ali.html
"I Ain't Got No Quarrel With The VietCong...
No VietCong Ever Called Me Nigger" — Muhammad Ali, 1966
"Does pretending to like black people make up for murdering tens of millions of people and enslaving hundreds of millions?"
Are you a member of the Communist Workers' Party? Do you know any members present or past? Did the members of this group here in America have ANY involvement in the killing of millions? Are America's policies or weapons responsible for any deaths? Did using atomic bombs against a civilian population make us more or less guilty of crimes than teh commies? Are you also saying the discrimination of Blacks and lynchings are ok? Maybe you need to syudy a bit more about American communists pre 1970. i'm sure Bayard Rustin didn't kill anyone Johnny. I know the right has always had a dim and shallow view of communism but your statements are offbase.
Wow Field,
I am not necessarily a BIG sports fan, but I was enjoying the sports discussion. Even learned some new names to look up and compare to Cam. QB is a very coveted position. I need to learn a lot more before I try to engage in a "lively and committed" discussion about sports on a blog.
What I do know and want to say is: Based on the comments on this post alone, Black People are amazingly patient people. Black Men I salute you. You conduct yourselves with intelligence, wit, and SWAGGER. You stimulate me to pay attention to the game( in so many ways). Thanks, Black Men who dare to BWBB. I am proud to read you!
Boy, I wish Black Men were as EVIL as WHITE people's propaganda portrays them to be, because then they'd just wipe these **sholes off the face of the Earth. We'd be done with this "card" game.
Minne
"Yes PilotX,despite my sometimes off color attempts at humor, i do understand the plight of African Americans.
I do fight for and want all things equal."
You know what WFWC your humor is not appreciated. My people are not jokes and neither is our past. I'm glad you want all things equal but you're barking up the wrong tree if you try to sell us the old white male victim role. In this country white males have NEVER gotten the short end of the stick and if you think somehow now they are look at any statistic and honestly tell me white guys have ot hard here. If you believe that walk in my shoes for a day then get back to me. Open your mind, shut your mouth and have some empathy or continue to make racist statements and passivley allow others to do so without comment. Your explanation rings hollow because you NEVER seem to be observant of areas in which women and/or people of color get the short end of the stick, you only pipe up when white men get it, if ever. Just like Rev. Right I don't believe you want equality because if you did you would see more discrimination than you do. So you're either lying or badly equipped to deal with discrimiation.
Collected a lot of trolls with this one Field.
Steven D
Ps. I have no views on Cam Newton's future ability as Pro QB. My personal belief is that the quarterbacks who succeed in the NFL are the ones who get good coaching and are lucky to go to a good team. As for myself, I'm a Broncos fan and my choices are slow as Molasses Kyle Orton or Let's run around and see if see if the Lord answers my prayers Tim Tebow. Oh and Brady Quinn (Clausen before Clausen was Clausen). Not that it matters since we have no running game or defense other than Champ Baily.
Cam Newton will succeed if he goes to a place that will hire a good QB coach and not rush him on the field until he is ready. He probably won't if he goes to a team like the Bills and or the Bungles who will play him immediately to sell tickets. Bad teams get early first round draft picks for a reason -- they are mismanaged and dysfunctional organizations.
Everyone is born a liberal. Those who don't mature remain liberal. Immaturity is the hallmark of liberalism. Remember when your child said, "I hate you" simply because you called him in from playing? Liberals hate many things and people (see Palin, Rush, or Christians). Remember when your child became unhappy because his brother got a certain toy. Envy is a condition of childhood (and liberalism- see socialism). How about name calling? Liberals do a lot of that. How about the screaming (see liberal talk shows). Then there is the whining (see the special interest groups). There is also the snippy, bratty phase, which liberals exhibit with relish (see Hollywood). Another strong characteristic is self-centeredness. And there is the abhorrence of responsibility. There is also the rebellion against authority, and etc., etc….
So, what do they want be when they grow up? President, or at least nothing with responsibility, but they'll take authority. Many of these adult children gravitate to professions where they can be in charge. Politics is easy, and you get the credit card of the nation to play with. Being a professor is easy, there is no experience necessary. Also, schools and universities are now full of adult children teaching what they want (see global warming, and evolution), and ignoring what is true (see solar warming and Christianity). With children in so many positions of authority childish peer pressure can be applied from childhood even into adulthood.
"Also, schools and universities are now full of adult children teaching what they want (see global warming, and evolution), and ignoring what is true (see solar warming and Christianity)."
Sorry Walk but your views are immature in my estimation. I am a liberal for many reasons but none of which you state here. Global warming due t omanmade influences MAY be real, we won't know for several decades so to call it false is a bit premature but hey what do climate scientists know anyway. On you second point Christianity is but one religious tradition among many which contains many impossible stories. I am an atheist not because I'm immature but because evidence points to the fact that Christianity borrowed many stories from older religions and also adherents believe impossible stories. Noah's flood and talking snakes anyone? I'm immature for not believing in a talking snake and that the entire planet was flooded while a 600 year old man built a boat and saved all the animals on the planet? You have GOT to be joking.
BTW, I don't hate your religion or Sarah Palin, I just happen to disagree with them. Am I allowed to do so and still be viewed as a rational and mature adult? If you ask me Palin and those that think her qualified for national office are a bit immature no? Please, stay away from sharp objects.
"How about name calling? Liberals do a lot of that. How about the screaming (see liberal talk shows). Then there is the whining (see the special interest groups). There is also the snippy, bratty phase, which liberals exhibit with relish (see Hollywood). Another strong characteristic is self-centeredness."
OK, this is a joke. Name calling? Uh, has anyone called the president a socialist lately? How about bumper stickers that say Nobama? Yelling, ever listen to Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck? Psssssst, those guys aren't liberals.
Snippy and bratty? Try Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin and Tucker Carlson on for size. Psssst........
Whining? Special interests? Once again listen to Rush, Palin and Bachmann. "Boo hoo I want my country back!Those evul liburllls stole it and are giving it away!!!!!!!wah wah wah.
I won't even touch the selfishness and selfcenteredness. If you don't have a mirror Home Depot stays open til 9.
I love the way how Harvey Milktoast was bumping his gums about the usual suspects, the "Black" CONgressional caucus, the beauty pagent and so forth. I guess dude has never really given it any thought on why those institutions exist. Anyway, so dude bashed Clausen, so fucking what. How many other "Black" quarterbacks have been lambasted by white reporters and have seen their draft status decline? How many millions are at play between being drafted within the first 5 picks as compared to other spots in the draft? I mean dude saying that he bad mouthed Clausen is akin to a rich person saying that they have poor friends
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