Friday, February 12, 2016

Open thread.

MORE DISCLAIMERSTonight is open thread night, and I want to know how you feel about the direction the country is going in.

If one of the outside the mainstream candidates are elected president, how do you  think their presidency will impact the country?

Will all black people be put in internment camps if trump is elected?

Will Bernie follow through on his promise to try and make college free for everyone?

Your thoughts.

121 comments:

Anonymous said...

I had asparagus for dinner and now my piss smells weird.

Anonymous said...

Oh, it's not due to the asparagus.

Anonymous said...

If Bernie or Trump is elected President, and I am confident that one of them will be President, the country will be much better off. We cannot afford another four years of business as usual.

God forbid Hillary is elected President. If that happens, we are finished. That woman has no direction and has no idea what to do. Look at the way she is running her campaign with no theme, no nothing....that's pretty much how was as Secretary of State.

I will say I could live with John Kasich, for he is an honorable man who WILL do the right thing. Blacks will do well whether Sanders or Trump or Kasich is in the WH.

The Ministry of Truth said...

No way Trump is going to be president. I won't even consider the hypothetical -- his support is finite and will never reach a majority, and there is a zero percent chance he'll be president. He's too obviously horrible. If the general election comes down to Trump versus a hamster, we'll be inaugurating President Hamster next January. (I not-so-secretly hope Trump ends up being the Republican nominee.)

Ted Cruz has a slim chance of becoming president, and that's really too horrible to contemplate. I would predict a raft of crazy, unconstitutional laws (death penalty for jaywalking and littering? mandatory creationism in all schools?), awful Supreme Court appointments, ridiculous cuts to social programs, and rioting nationwide.

If Marco Rubio gets in, then we're going to war with the entire Middle East. He'll bomb every Arab out of existence, just to prove he's not a wimp. Bush version 2.0.

If Hillary is elected, things will look just like they look now in Washington under Obama: gridlock, gridlock, gridlock.

If Bernie wins, I honestly don't know. Would Bernie try to make healthcare free, abolish private health insurance and replace it with Medicare for everybody, raise the minimum wage to $15? Absolutely. There is no doubt he would TRY to do all of those things. But in order to actually be able to pass any of those objectives through Congress, his "democratic revolution!" would have to occur. Would it? ENORMOUS question mark.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Would Bernie try to make healthcare free, abolish private health insurance and replace it with Medicare for everybody, raise the minimum wage to $15?"

That last bit should read "make college education free ..."

lilacpr2000 said...

The choice is really between Trump and Sanders now. Sanders is just way to old for the job,and a bs artist, so that leaves Trump.

As for "free college" America gives nothing for free.

The only one that gave "free college education" was Fidel Castro because he wanted the poor people to be educated and professionals, something that,no matter how you want to bad mouth him, he accomplished.

My thoughts are that Trump will do as much as he can, while still working with what he has, re: bureaucracy,red tape, mega-companies. As a matter of fact, I don't think,I know he will. So let's make America great again! :)


lilacpr2000 said...

Oh, and have a Happy Valentines weekend people! Don't spend all your money in one place!

lilacpr2000 said...

Oh, and Meryl Streep says y'all are all African and have always been so! So calm down and be nice on here ;)

Shecky said...

The Ministry of Truth said...
No way Trump is going to be president. I won't even consider the hypothetical

If that's what MoT believes, you can bank on Trump being President.

Pete said...

My asshole itches real bad. Anybody got any solutions?

Arnaldo Ochoa said...

lilacpr2000 said...
The only one that gave "free college education" was Fidel Castro because he wanted the poor people to be educated and professionals, something that,no matter how you want to bad mouth him, he accomplished
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And all the Cubans lived happily ever after.

DQAE said...

Anonymous Pete said...
My asshole itches real bad. Anybody got any solutions?
>>>>

Yeah, lick it like you normally do.

Anonymous said...

Most people aren't you, Yishthing

Del said...

FBI had been watching the Columbus, OH Muslim machete dude for 4 years.

Get these terrorists out of America now.

I'm voting for Trump.

Anonymous said...

OpenID lilacpr2000 said...
"The choice is really between Trump and Sanders now. Sanders is just way to old for the job,and a bs artist, so that leaves Trump."

See, this is why PR is bankrupt. Too many people living there with bankrupt minds unable to see reality. Sanders is not too old and he is the best the Dems have. Hillary is the one who is full of bullshit....she lies and lies and lies.

It would not surprise me if the FBI doesn't lock her ass up about those classified emails.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

A caricature of a racist, sexist, nativist, Scrooge McDuck insult comic is the prohibitive GOP favorite 3 weeks before Super Tuesday. That says something very ugly and depressing about the state of the country.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

Toilet paper or a bidet.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

Talk to Louie Ghomert.

Whitey's Conspiracy said...

Talk to Louie Ghomert.

Michael Bloomberg said...

Just the other day I was thrashing a street urchin with my ebony walking stick and almost $50 fell out of my coat and I was so worn out from beating the little castoff that I just left it on the street! Fortunately another fairly prosperous looking fellow was in the area and was able to scoop up the money before the urchin could crawl over to get it.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Michael Bloomberg said..."

Ah, I forgot about Bloomberg. He's threatening to enter the race as a third-party candidate. Widely hated by both liberals and conservatives (he's a uniter, not a divider!), and just what all of about 3 people in America are demanding.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"The only one that gave 'free college education' was Fidel Castro because he wanted the poor people to be educated and professionals, something that,no matter how you want to bad mouth him, he accomplished."

Not really, though, Lilac.

Americans are conditioned to believe the rest of the world is as elitist and conservative as the U.S. But many developed nations offer these benefits. They are not "pie and the sky" ideas in absolute terms, only in OUR broken, divided culture where nobody can get along and everybody worships and grovels to rich people. Social solidarity still exists in other places.

Here are just some countries where college is free or close to it.

Many other countries may not have free college, but it's way more subsidized than it is here. Students aren't graduating buried in debt.

Yīshēng said...

WC you know damn well there aren't any bidets in Appalachia.

Besides, he would probably mistake it for a water fountain.

dinthebeast said...

Couldn't we just elect Ronald Reagan again? He's got to be better dead than he was alive.
Hillary might win. She wouldn't be as bad as people are making her out to be, but the other side hates her so much, she wouldn't get much done.
I like Bernie, but unless he pulls off a miracle and gets majorities in congress, he wouldn't get much done either.
If any of the Republicans win, and (as would likely happen if they did) keep their majorities in congress, say hello to the year 2000 all over again, only worse, as they wouldn't be inheriting a budget surplus.
So most likely, get ready for a long, frustrating slog while the same bozos squabble over the same idiotic bullshit as the country continues its slow deterioration. But please vote anyway, because if we don't, then we deserve what we get, which will most likely be (as Molly Ivins used to say) screwed again...

-Doug in Oakland

Gasol said...

Does anybody agree that this Presidential group is relatively weak?

Anonymous said...

Interesting summary of last 40 years of economic decline in the USA and how that affects how voters see the election:


http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/hillary-high-ranking-member-dc-power-elite-and-thats-why-she-cant-comprehend-bernies

The Ministry of Truth said...

Man, this election year is such an f*cking circus, and we're only into the start of the primaries.

Ted Cruz, who has been running a relentlessly Bible-bashy, pro-evangelical Christian campaign, has had to pull one of his ads because an actress featured in it, Amy Lindsay, is a porn star:

"The star of 'Erotic Confessions,' 'Carnal Wishes,' 'Secrets of a Chambermaid,' and 'Insatiable Desires' told Kaczynski and Massie that she’s a conservative Christian and a Republican, and that she had narrowed her choice in the GOP primary to Donald Trump and Ted Cruz. 'In a cool way, then hey, then it’s not just some old, white Christian bigot that people want to say, "It could be, maybe, a cool kind of open-minded woman like me,' she said."

Yeah, uh, Ms. Lindsay, I regret to inform you that Ted Cruz is not trying to appeal to "cool, open-minded women like you." He IS trying to win over old, white, Christian bigots. That's exactly his target demographic!

Curious Observer said...

Educate me please regarding preferred nomenclature.

Red, yellow, brown, black, white.
Or
Native American, Asian, Hispanic, Negro, Caucasian.


Do I refer to:
Inuit with Native American,
The Mongolian as Asian,
The Spaniard as Hispanic,
The Jamaican as Negro,
The Australian as Caucasian?

Anonymous said...

All the ones that mattered did. The rest came over to Miami and are now trying to become president.

Lance Cockstrong said...

@Anonymouse 9:32PM Not a problem. Just boil it before you drink it.

Anonymous said...

If a Democrat is elected and allows ever increasing low skilled immigrants into the country, low skilled jobs will be even more scarce for Americans, especially if the minimum wage is a mandatory $15 an hour. As companies continue to move overseas or Mexico to escape Dem imposed regulations and increased corporate taxes, and in search of low cost, skilled labor, higher paying jobs will dry up, too. (This week Carrier and UTEC announced they were moving 2100 skilled jobs to Mexico.)

But hey. Who cares as long as there is free college? It won't cost those people anything to be unemployed.



field negro said...

I do believe this is a weak crop. Now I am wishing that Uncle Joe Biden ran. Have to agree with TMOT abt trump. Hard to believe that this charlatan could become prsident.

But hey, this is a democracy. The people will get what(who)they deserve.

field negro said...
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Anonymous said...

Actually America is a representative republic not a democracy.

Black voters concentrate on social justice issues and swallow that sjw rhetoric from their politicians hook line and sinker.

Can you name two presidential candidates that are campaigning AS A PRIORITY to increase jobs in the country?

Do black voters care about jobs? Where in the pecking order does employment fall in priorities?

field negro said...

Jobs are very important. (Jobs that offer a living wage)
Lots of $7.25 an hour jobs available. Not sure how much those jobs help black people.

Education is important as well.

But so is social justice. What good is it to have a high paying job if u can get pulled over and arrested for DWB and die in police custody under mysterious circumstances?

Faith_and_Fairness said...

On my mind is an excerpt from The Root online contributor, Mr. Damon Young, who's also editor-in-chief of "verysmartbrothas.com."

Mr. Young concludes his piece (Dear Black America: Be Prepared to Be Bernie’s and Hillary’s Token Black Friend for the Next 5 Months) by explaining how he and friends dealt with tokenism in their early college years: "They stayed until 'the party ended' because they had nowhere else to go."

An introspective read indeed, which somewhat sums up how just about every election proces unfolds time and time again. Either the lesser of two evils or the even more hopeless - nowhere else to go...

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2016/02/dear_black_america_be_prepared_to_be_bernie_s_and_hillary_s_token_black.html?wpisrc=topstories

field negro said...

F&F, thanks for that link. Good article.

geo said...

"But hey, this is a democracy. The people will get what(who)they deserve."

Yep, good and hard. I think the last 24 years is punishment enough. Time to get back to business.

Trump is a baller said...

field negro said...
"Jobs are very important. (Jobs that offer a living wage)
Lots of $7.25 an hour jobs available. Not sure how much those jobs help black people."

Complaining about the Obama economy are we?

When you kill good jobs in energy over ideology, bail out companies who then send jobs overseas, disincentivize hiring through onerous healthcare legislation, and import millions of new workers who drive down wages, that's what you get.

If you want to see wages rise again, slow down the flood of immigrants, make it onerous for companies to offshore jobs, stop with the crony capitalism, and make doing business in America easier.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Adding further to Mr. Field's post @11:13 AM, there's an even more urgent need for both a social and economic agenda that fully dismantles the root causes disenfranchisement. Families locked out of the job market; access to quality education depending on child's zip code; states that moved forward to restrict voting rights; a criminal justice system mired in lifelong punishment instead rehabilitation; healthcare costs that oftentimes benefit only the insurance companies, etc.

And though the possibility of companies moving out the US to escape democratic regulation is a valid point, this does not have to be the case. I so cannot believe the best minds are unable to craft social and economic incentives in order for jobs with living wages and benefits to remain in the US.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Interestingly, the flow of immigration is slowing down. Not to mention, the number of deportations is rising again. If referring to the refugee crises, this is mostly a global response of which the US has extended its charity in resolving a horrific tragedy.

However, it's equally frustrating how immigration reform is the other elephant in the room. Undocumented members of our society should have a way to contribute to the tax base while awaiting difinitive plans of citizenship.

Make America Great Again said...

field negro said...
"But so is social justice. What good is it to have a high paying job if u can get pulled over and arrested for DWB and die in police custody under mysterious circumstances?"

You are more likely to abducted by aliens or eaten by bears.

Let's get real, what blacks need is what all Americans need: A government that serves the needs of the people, not a government that seeks to change the people to suit its needs. The state is supposed to serve the nation, instead the nation is being subjected to goals of the state.

The elite in this country want to bring in 200 million more people from the third world to drive our wages down to the global average. They will become enormously more wealthy as we become poorer and poorer. A fractious, diverse multicultural America will offer much less resistance than the old American populace.

We need a government that puts the interests of its own citizens already here ahead of anyone else on the planet who might want to come here. We need to stop fighting other people's wars in the Middle East. We need to stop putting GDP above the welfare of the people. What good is all this wealth if most of it stays at the top and the cost is our way of life?

Both parties have served the interests of the globalist elites over those of the people they represent. That's why both parties are seeing major rebellions this year. Nationalism and populism can be scary, but they are only counter force to the globalists. And the longer we wait to turn them back, the scarier those solutions are going to become.

Lance Cockstrong said...

Bernie Sanders is a brilliant man who would be a worthy successor to President Obama. Still curious what he has done to deserve the contempt shown in this space and by Charles Blow. I don't believe for a minute that it has anything to do with his Bernie-Splaining supporters. You are both too intelligent to fall into that trap so it must go deeper than that. I would put the same question to you as to Mr. Blow who extolled the Clintons' mastery of retail politics citing as a case in point the "I'll Make Me A World In Iowa Festival". No doubt that event (and Hillary popping up for air there) is important to the black community, but was the 1963 March On Washington not perhaps more important?

Anonymous said...

Faith_and_Fairness said...
"Families locked out of the job market;"

Who is locking out these families?

"access to quality education depending on child's zip code;"

The quality of education in certain zip codes is a function of the quality of people in those zip codes. There is no magic quality to the dirt in those areas. Move the kids there to Portland and the quality of education would plummit. You have undisciplined kids of single mothers who provide zero support and encouragement towards their education. They would fail anywhere.

"states that moved forward to restrict voting rights;"

Let's dispense with the fiction that asking for an ID is a restriction of voting rights. Do you believe blacks are less competent than whites when it comes to securing a government ID?

"a criminal justice system mired in lifelong punishment instead rehabilitation;"

The prison situation is awful. All attempts to improve it have failed. You are right, something different needs to be done.

healthcare costs that oftentimes benefit only the insurance companies, etc

Repeal Obamacare and stop government transfer payments to insurance companies.

Anonymous said...

Faith_and_Fairness said...
Interestingly, the flow of immigration is slowing down. Not to mention, the number of deportations is rising again
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Not true at all if you look at a two-year time scale rather than the last two months.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Here's an update 2015 year-end regarding Prof. Larycia Hawkins. I'm sure this beautiful sister of faith will have an amazing future.

Hijab-wearing Professor to Leave Christian College | Al Jazeera America

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2016/2/7/hijab-wearing-professor-to-leave-christian-college.html

Nidal Hassan said...

I hope Larycia Hawkins finds happiness in her conversion to Islam. Has a clitorectomy been scheduled?

anotherbozo said...

geo said...

"But hey, this is a democracy. The people will get what(who)they deserve."

Well, in theory. In reality you have to figure in gerrymandering, voter suppression, ad agency strategies, big money, bigger money, Citizens United, dirty tricks, and the promulgation of various myths: that They All Do It, The Greatest Country in the History of Mankind, the Classless Society, Upward Mobility, the Level Playing Field, Rugged Individualism, Free Enterprise,and Common Sense. And all the other mitigating factors I can't think of at the moment.

Limpbaugh said...

I think the country is moving in the right direction by rejecting mainstream establishment politics. Jeb Bush was on the PNAC Committee that called for a new Pearl Harbor so we could take over the Middle East.. Plus he helped steal the 2000 election. Hillary Clinton voted to authorize the Iraq War even though the intelligence that Iraq had destroyed their WMDs came in while her husband was president. She supported ISIS to overthrow the moderate Muslim countries of Lybia and Syria. The real axis of evil is the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Israel. Russia isn't on the right side because they are moral. They just happen to be allied with the moderate Middle East countries. We are the terrorists. Our media and government is owned by big oil, military suppliers, other corporations, Wall Street, and neocon Zionists. Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex in the days when Dr. King was a Republican. We won't even charge Dick Cheney. They tell us WTC 7 collapsed at the speed of gravity from burning carpet melting 84 steel columns at the same time.. The Democrat who covered up Reagan's deal with Khomeini to not release the American hostages in Iran while Carter was president as chairman of the Iran/Contra investigation, Lee Hamilton, was appointed to be co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission. .They even had the nerve to appoint someone from the PNAC Committee to the Commission, John Lehman. But we have a fascist media who won't tell us that. If the Democratic Part steals the nomination fro Sanders with their super delegates, I will vote for Trump. He is an inexperienced racist, but he isn't as bad as Clinton. As a white person I can afford to place more priority on my opposition to war than my opposite to racism. Watch a Youtube video that shows why Trump is better than Hillary on peace issues: 2.10.2016 Trump just said everything Rand Paul wanted to, but couldn't.

geo said...

anotherbozo said...
"And all the other mitigating factors I can't think of at the moment."

Voter fraud, that's the big one. Can't believe it slipped your mind.

Anonymous said...

What happens if no one votes for any of these crooks? Do they have a law that will appoint some sleaseball if the people refuse to vote?

field negro said...

Lance, Bernie does in fact seem to be a nice man, but this is politics it's a dirty business. What makes u think that he has been treated with "contempt" from Blow et al.?

If u go on twitter (@fieldnegro) u will see that Bernie's people give as good as they get.

In truth, his politics are closer to mine than all the other candidates running, but this is Ameica, I am not sure how much he would get done in Washingtin since this is a center to right leaning country.

"You are more likely to be abducted by aliens or eaten by bears"

Let me guess;a white guy, right?


Anonymous said...

A nationalist is someone who is pissed off about what is being done to White America. Such a person can come from any background. If you don't think Black America has a vested interest in White America, you haven't thought very hard.

Al Sanchez

Yīshēng said...

Faith_and_Fairness said...
On my mind is an excerpt from The Root online contributor, Mr. Damon Young, who's also editor-in-chief of "verysmartbrothas.com."
>>>>

Damon Young is hilarious on verysmartbrothas, LOL!!!

Make America Great Again said...

field negro said...
"Let me guess;a white guy, right?"

I prefer the term "person of lightness".

Lance Cockstrong said...

@Anonymous @12:27PM-

It is well documented that securing such ID is in fact a hardship for the poor. And that voter id is just the tip of the iceberg of voter suppression, other components being decreasing early voting, restrictions on voter registration, reducing the number of polling places, last minute changes in election dates or polling places, threats of intimidation by "observers". And if you want to know what motivates this 'true the vote' movement, just ask them:

Mike Turzai PA House Majority Leader: "Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Pete Gilbert Pasquotank County NC GOP chairman: After ruling that on-campus address cannot be used to establish residency: "I plan to take this show on the road"

Ken Emanuelson Dallas Tea Party Activist: “I’m going to be real honest with you, the Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they’re going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats.”

Don Yelton Buncombe NC GOP precinct chairman: "The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt, If it hurts a bunch of college kids too lazy to get up off their bohonkas and go get a photo ID, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of whites, so be it. If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it."

Anonymous said...

"And that voter id is just the tip of the iceberg of voter suppression, other components being decreasing early voting, restrictions on voter registration, reducing the number of polling places, last minute changes in election dates or polling places, threats of intimidation by "observers".

Agitprop nonsense.

You are a ninny if you really believe it. I doubt that you do.

Anonymous said...

Allow illegal and legal immigration to proliferate and they flood the labor market. When too many workers chasing too few jobs results, just raise the minimum wage to $15? And these Dem policies on immigration and minimum wage improve income inequality how?

Raise taxes and double down on onerous regulations for corporations resulting in businesses fleeing the country in search of more business friendly environments. These proposed Dem policies to ham string businesses promote job growth how?

Democrat do-gooders make no damn common sense.

Having a job is paramount to self determination, power, freedom. As long as a person has a hand out begging for crumbs, that person is at the mercy of those doling out the crumbs.

Jobs are needed to raise this country up again. It is stupid for voters to get stuck on the peripheral wants.








Faith_and_Fairness said...

Major LOL, Nidal :-) Great coming across your post. And if your schedule permits, hope you can check out Prof. Hawkins' letter regarding her Facebook comment, truly a testament to people of every faith.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Thank you so much, Lance, for walking the distance as you always do. The excerpts provided are especially informative.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

When mentioning earlier about immigration trends, it was mostly due to coming across several articles providing comprehensive analysis to such complex situation. In May 2015, The Washington Post noted "Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/flow-of-illegal-immigration-slows-as-us-mexico-border-dynamics-evolve/2015/05/27/c5caf02c-006b-11e5-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html

Anonymous said...

Cliven Bundy is now in jail. Maybe he'll enjoy Valentine's Day when his cellmate chews his tangy butthole like bubble gum.

Anonymous said...

@Faith_and_Fairness: The only reason there is a temporary slight downtick in immigrants coming in from Mexico is that the economy sucks. How has Obama responded? By flying over hundreds of thousands of Muslim rapefugees, 91% of whom wind up on government assistance:

"According to Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) data highlighted by the immigration subcommittee staff of Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL) 82%— chairman of the Subcommittee on Immigration and the National Interest — in FY 2013, 91.4 percent of Middle Eastern refugees (accepted to the U.S. between 2008-2013) received food stamps, 73.1 percent were on Medicaid or Refugee Medical Assistance and 68.3 percent were on cash welfare."

How is this good for black folks?

Yīshēng said...

"Allow illegal and legal immigration to proliferate and they flood the labor market".

A close friend of mine asked me which rethug I was voting for this time, LOL!! Yeah, I guess I still have a few friends/relatives that will never forgive me for not supporting Prez Obama the first time he ran for president.

But then not ONE of them questioning me is a Scientist/has a STEM career, so they have NO CLUE how much legal immigration has "decimated" academia and other places where American born STEM majors congregate. And things like this are ALWAYS worst for minorities of color, and women.

I go back and forth ALL DAY, trying to decide if I should vote based on what's best for me (Rethug) or best for others (Dumbocrat).

Anonymous said...

@Yisheng: Do the right thing, vote Democrat. You know they'll always do what's best for others.

Anonymous said...

Yīshēng said...
"But then not ONE of them questioning me is a Scientist/has a STEM career, so they have NO CLUE how much legal immigration has "decimated" academia and other places where American born STEM majors congregate"

Would you deny Mark Zuckerberg the cheap coders he needs just so Americans can have jobs? What about companies like Disney, would you force them to pay American wages to their IT employees rather than being able to import Indians who will work for half as much? You must be racist.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2915904/it-outsourcing/fury-rises-at-disney-over-use-of-foreign-workers.html

Josh said...

The country's direction is relative to the direction of the people. If one is a socialist-style progressive leftist, then the country is far from being on the right track. If one is a Reaganist conservative-style religious chadrool, then we're already too far left. The only objective fact is that the United States of America has exponentially more government than was ever intended. Ever. We have orders of magnitude more government than we actually need, and 90% of what the federal government does is complete overreach.

And wanting the federal government to do things isn't just right or left-specific. Every political buffoon wants and expects the feds to do something. Just like Obama fans want Obama to do something about healthcare and unemployment and "social justice" and other bullshit that he, or no sitting American President, should have the power to do. If you want unemployment worked on, crime worked on, schools worked on, etc, it's what we have fucking local governments for. You political asshats, right and left, continue to give the federal government more and more power by providing to them more and more responsibility which should be handled locally.

I think Katrina stands out as one of the greatest examples of this buffoonery in American history. Here are a people who completely and utterly rejected the idea of installing a good local government in their immediate communities. They just couldn't be fucking bothered to ever think about providing themselves with the security necessary to protect against shit on a local level. They just assumed Washington should take over. So when the shit hit the fan, the local government couldn't do shit, the state government couldn't do shit, because they didn't have shit in place, and people literally put their lives in the hands of the federal government to do shit. And as we found out, the federal government can't do shit either.

The only direction America can possibly go in that will ensure America's around in four more generations is for the government to drastically shrink and for you peons to finally grasp that the federal government isn't your fix-all in life. Elect better local governments. Take better care of your immediate communities. If you want to live in a fucking Purple Cow wet dream where Marx pegs you to bleeding on a nightly basis without a reach around, elect that shit in your local! Americans, right and left, trying to impose their ideology on the nation at large via the feds is crippling America and causing the government to grow at a rate that's out of control.

Stop it.

Anonymous said...

Josh, go eat a bag of dicks. Punk ass bitch.

The Purple Cow said...

THE JOSH HAS SPOKEN!

Consider yourself told off, coloured people.

Sheldon Adelson said...

"Would you deny Mark Zuckerberg the cheap coders he needs just so Americans can have jobs? What about companies like Disney, would you force them to pay American wages to their IT employees rather than being able to import Indians who will work for half as much? You must be racist"

It's racist to deny CEO's 23% pay raises:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/business/dealbook/brian-moynihan-bank-of-america-chief-got-23-pay-raise-in-2015.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Suck it up, America. Immigration is good for the Economy.

Anonymous said...

The average CEO makes less in a year than Hillary makes for a one-hour speech.

http://www.aei.org/publication/hillary-and-bernie-both-complain-about-excessive-ceo-pay-but-the-average-ceo-makes-less-than-hillarys-speaking-fee/

Anonymous said...

Hell, no interment camps from trump, not with all the rooms and bathrooms in his hotels.

Anonymous said...

Bernie doesn't have a chance, the DNC has rigged the vote for Hillary.

Omigosh said...

If Trumpet becomes president, black folks might turn into the Syrians. We'll be leaving this place on foot by the droves.

Yīshēng said...

The Purple Cow said...
THE JOSH HAS SPOKEN!

Consider yourself told off, coloured people.
>>>>>>>>>>

Maybe colored people should find something more meaningful to read.

Or just ignore his post like I do.

Just sayin'!

Anonymous said...

Bernie has a very good chance of winning the nomination because his base is comprised of true believers and they are fired up.

Hillary's base votes for her because they are provided free transportation to the polls or they have always been democrats so why change now.

PilotX said...

Holy Moses! Antonin Scalia just died! Was he sick? Things will now get very interesting.

PilotX said...

PC, when people ignore his posts he tends to get more shrill and provocative and calls out people to start arguments. He has to have attention. But I'm sure you've already noticed this.

PilotX said...

Smart woman.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Here's an update 2015 year-end regarding Prof. Larycia Hawkins. I'm sure this beautiful sister of faith will have an amazing future.

Hijab-wearing Professor to Leave Christian College | Al Jazeera America"


I hope the "mutual place of resolution and reconciliation" at which she and the college arrived involved a large cash payout to her. She spent nine years in a tenured position at their school, and those aren't exactly easy to get -- especially after you've been in such a nasty and public dispute with your employer.

Anonymous said...

PilotX said...
Holy Moses! Antonin Scalia just died! Was he sick? Things will now get very interesting.

The Presidential election just became irrelevant.

Now it is going to have to bullets instead of ballets.

Robert McHenry said...

Granted, I don't follow gymnastics. But this is the first article I've ever seen about Simone Biles. I think a three-time World Champion would be better known. Have you heard of her? If not, care to take a guess as to why not? http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/sports/olympics/simone-biles-gymnast-rio-olympics.html?ref=sports

The Ministry of Truth said...

"@Faith_and_Fairness: The only reason there is a temporary slight downtick in immigrants coming in from Mexico is that the economy sucks. How has Obama responded? By flying over hundreds of thousands of Muslim rapefugees, 91% of whom wind up on government assistance:"

Obama is admitting a grand total of 10,000 Syrian refugees for this year. That works out to an 0.003% increase in the U.S. population. Whoa, hold the phone! How will anyone find a job if the population increases by 0.003%? LOL

If your math is this bad (to say nothing of your raging bigotry problem -- "rapefugees," really?), then clearly you're too uneducated to get ANY job. It won't matter how many are available. Back to school, dummkopf!

Anonymous said...

Hey Josh,

Fuck you, white boy. Your time here is nearing its end. Then you can go back to being your sad, pathetic, pale-faced self.

The Germ said...

Purple Cow, you talk a lot of shit for someone who is a fan of a weak ass, pussy sport like cricket (and probably shitty soccer too).

Anonymous said...

I miss Kinky. He was good at putting Yisheng in her place.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"But then not ONE of them questioning me is a Scientist/has a STEM career, so they have NO CLUE how much legal immigration has "decimated" academia and other places where American born STEM majors congregate. And things like this are ALWAYS worst for minorities of color, and women."

Voting Republican won't help with this. As far as I can tell, Republicans have no interest in reducing H1B visas. They are fine with admitting unlimited amounts of skilled labor from Beijing and Bangalore.

Why? Because if they didn't admit them, then more native-born workers would have to be trained to do these jobs. Training those workers costs money, and to get that money, they'd have to tax rich people until they fart. That's clearly a non-starter for a party that serves the rich. They'd rather hire workers that have been trained at the expense of the taxpayers of India and China.

Instead, all of their immigration focus goes toward low-skill laborers from south of the border, and usually takes the form of useless ideas like "building a wall," or callous and racist ideas like deporting 11 million people, most of whom have already laid down extensive roots in this country.

Anonymous said...

Wanting to import more people of your race = Not Racist

Wanting to slow down immigration of more people regardless of race = Racist.


Fuck you MoT.

Anonymous said...

Ministry of Truth said..
If your math is this bad (to say nothing of your raging bigotry problem -- "rapefugees," really?), then clearly you're too uneducated to get ANY job. It won't matter how many are available. Back to school, dummkopf!

Rapefugees are only one component of the hundreds of thousands of Muslims Obama is importing at out expense.

And I'm sure I make at least 4 or 5 times as much money per year as you do.

Lance Cockstrong said...

@ Field Negro 1:00 PM -

Not to repeat everything I said previously, but the pattern of praising Sanders and then proceeding to zing him is striking, in Blow's case acknowledging his Racial Justice agenda, followed by the sneering "the King himself" reference, in this space the praise of his integrity followed by the reference to the smarmy photo-op at Sylvia's with Sharpton. Contrasted with Blow's singing the praises of the Clintons for their mastery of 'retail politics'. Being a 20th century guy, I never go on Twitter, so I will have to take your word for what 'Bernie's people' do there. But we can't hold Bernie responsible for that. As for the bigotry of paternalism, I would like to think I am not one of those, I would speculate that most of the Bernie-Splainers have good intentions and that what comes across as paternalism is a poorly framed attempt at solidarity. The black community being 80% against Sanders, those are Butt-Trumpet numbers, I hope it is not paternalistic that I would like to better understand that discrepancy. What Democrat could get anything thru this right wing Congress as currently constructed? That is precisely why we need the political revolution that Sanders envisions. Democrats must regain their majority in the Senate and make a dent in the House. I have to believe that the best chance of accomplishing that is with Sanders as the Democratic nominee.

Limpbaugh said...

Anthony Scalia caused the death of hundreds of thousands of people when he stole our vote in the 2000 election. He turned the country fascist with his Citizen United ruling. He deserved a much more painful death than he got.

Anonymous said...

If you want to compete for low skilled and high skilled jobs with a plethora of immigrants willing to be paid less than you then vote for Hillary or Bernie.

Or vote for Republicans who want to put American workers first and support businesses and keeping jobs in America for Americans. It ain't about color. It's about survival.

The choice is that simple.

The Purple Cow said...

You make some valid arguments there, Lance, and one thing's for sure, capitalism requires an underclass to function so liberation can only come from Socialism.

And let us not forget that the changes in law that saw the number of African Americans incarcerated increase exponentially were enacted with the enthusiastic endorsement of then President Bill Clinton. Hilary remained silent.

The Purple Cow said...

"Or vote for Republicans who want to put American workers first and support businesses and keeping jobs in America for Americans. It ain't about color. It's about survival.

The choice is that simple."


It's really not. When have Republicans ever done that? When have they ever stopped corporations exporting jobs to Mexico or the far east? When have the Republicans ever in practical terms stood up for the American worker?

Answer - never. Profit is the only thing that motivates them. Increasing corporate profits and the wealth of the 1% at the expense of human dignity.

Anonymous said...

Republicans are against unbridled immigration, PC.

The Purple Cow said...

"Republicans are against unbridled immigration, PC."

Irrelevant.

Anonymous said...

Competition among workers for jobs is extremely important.

If someone foreign of equal value to a company is willing to work for x, a low wage, that affects everyone else who is competing for that job.

America is a draw for so many people who want a better way of life and are willing to do whatever necessary to be here due to our freedoms, opportunities, values.

Why do you think immigration policy is irrelevant?

The Ministry of Truth said...

Today, I read an accurate comparison of the insurgent, populist Sanders and Trump campaigns:


"Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has a new TV ad out this week, and it shows in vividly brilliant terms exactly why he is overwhelming Hillary Clinton’s traditional establishment-style campaign. His campaign is about us; it’s not about him. He doesn’t highlight his experience or plans to get things done. He channels all of our desire to make our country better and make it work for everyone. His 'us' is all of us normal Americans against 'them,' the broken system and partisan political establishment.

Sanders is not the only one with this kind of formula of success. Republican front-runner Donald Trump is doing much the same thing. The difference is that Trump’s 'us' doesn’t include everyone. His us is mostly just straight, white Christians. His 'them' isn’t just the political establishment, it’s the people who are different from his 'us.' His 'them' includes immigrants, Muslims and anyone else he can find to blame our country’s problems on. His 'us' doesn’t include enough voters to win a national election, but he sure can win a Republican primary because it’s a party of mostly straight, white Christians."


I couldn't have put it better myself. I still doubt Sanders will pull it out; there may be too many institutional roadblocks in his way. Trump, on the other hand, has every chance of winning the primaries and zero chance of winning the general.

The Ministry said...

"Wanting to import more people of your race = Not Racist

Wanting to slow down immigration of more people regardless of race = Racist."


And you think the surge of Trumpites are folks who want to slow down immigration of more people, "regardless of race"? The guys lining up for the candidate who says Mexico is "sending" rapists and drug dealers and "not their best people"?

Pull the other one.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Lots of smiles your way, Yisheng :-) I most follow Damon Young's articles published in TheRoot.com. Glanced at Very_Smart_Brothers today and have bookmarked several impressive selections to read later.

Anonymous said...

The Purple Cow said...
"It's really not. When have Republicans ever done that? When have they ever stopped corporations exporting jobs to Mexico or the far east? When have the Republicans ever in practical terms stood up for the American worker?"

Maybe that's why the Republican establishment is doing everything it can to prevent Trump getting the nomination.

Lance Cockstrong said...

@ Purple Cow 6:38PM -

I don't think we will ever become Socialist, but capitalism does require checks and balances to prevent it from becoming a game of Monopoly where all the money flows one way and everyone else is busted. Let's start with the premise that if you have a billion dollars then you have too fucking much money and go from there. As for incarceration, that is a very slippery slope, it is a function of the summation of judges and their ideology, by all objective measures it is certainly slanted against African Americans and Latinos. I would like to think that Sanders would make a difference, but did Obama make much of a difference?

Lance Cockstrong said...

@Ministry Of Truth 7:36PM -

Zero chance? I hope you are right, certainly the trend in congressional and gubernatorial elections is not encouraging, conventional wisdom says that those results are not indicative of presidential elections, let's hope so. But it ain't over till it's over, no question it's an uphill climb, but the odds can be beaten if we all decide to be part of the solution. If not then we get what we deserve, to get a glimpse of what that is go to Squeaky Palin's house and look out the window.

PilotX said...

PC, you do speak truth. Republicans have stood against labor unions for the past 30 some years as well as giving tax breaks to corporations that outsource jobs. Trump has some decent ideas and Cruz has floated the idea of a VAT tax. If those ideas could get more traction we might see some progress on the jobs front but for many they are stuck on fearing isis which doesn't affect 99.99% of us.

DQAE said...

The Purple Cow said...
Answer - never. Profit is the only thing that motivates them. Increasing corporate profits and the wealth of the 1% at the expense of human dignity.
>>>>

You really think the Dems are any different?

Just because they use grease when they f**k the middle class up the a** doesn't mean it hurts any less.

Yīshēng said...

Faith_and_Fairness said...
Lots of smiles your way, Yisheng :-) I most follow Damon Young's articles published in TheRoot.com.
>>>>

Back at cha! ;)

Didn't know Damon writes for the Root too, I'll have to check that out sometime!

DQAE said...

Scalia is dead, I wish I could say I feel hurt!!!

#GeorgetownAlumMuthaF**ka

The Ministry of Truth said...

"As for incarceration, that is a very slippery slope, it is a function of the summation of judges and their ideology, by all objective measures it is certainly slanted against African Americans and Latinos. I would like to think that Sanders would make a difference, but did Obama make much of a difference?"

Actually, Sanders probably can't make that much of a difference, even under the best of circumstances. It has been pointed out that he recently told a gigantic fib about mass incarceration:

"I promise at the end of my first term we won't have more people in jail than in any other country."

He can't fulfill this promise, even if friendly Democrats control Congress. Why? Because most prisoners aren't in federal prison -- fewer than 10%, in fact. The jailing is mostly happening at the state level. Even if Sanders released ALL federal prisoners -- which would be absurd, since many of them do belong behind bars -- that would barely make a dent in the numbers.

This is not to say that the president doesn't exert a meaningful influence. Presidents from Nixon through Clinton ratcheted up the Drug War and took other measures that indirectly impacted the harshness of our justice system. But the president does not have a magic wand, and if "tough-on-crime" is going to end, it will take a nationwide movement. Sanders cannot pull this one off alone. It's as simple as that. This is just not how our political system works.

PilotX said...

Cbs is actually asking real questions and we're actually getting good information out of the gop candidates. If we could put all of the good ideas together we might have a good candidate. Bush wants to tax investment income at the same rate as labor, nice. Cruz floated the idea of a value added tax, nice. Rubio wants to use the tax code to help families, nice. Trump wants to bring back jobs and overseas money, nice. Finally an adult discussion. Hopefully Fox and other networks are paying attention.

Anonymous said...

PilotX said...
Cbs is actually asking real questions and we're actually getting good information out of the gop candidates
--

PBS never asked a question regarding the subpoena delivered the day of the debate to the Clinton Foundation regarding Hillary's email and influence peddling.

Go figure.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Bush wants to tax investment income at the same rate as labor, nice. Cruz floated the idea of a value added tax, nice. Rubio wants to use the tax code to help families, nice. Trump wants to bring back jobs and overseas money, nice. Finally an adult discussion. Hopefully Fox and other networks are paying attention."

A value-added tax? On what, exactly?

I haven't heard unprincipled weasel Ted Cruz's proposal, but knowing Cruz, it's probably more regressive taxation, screw-the-peasants thinking. In other words, cut income taxes, which hit the rich; hike sales taxes, which hit the poor; pat yourself on a job well done for your aristocratic masters.

Europe uses a lot of VAT (which is just a sales tax, collected a different way), but generally, poor people get all their VAT refunded at the end of the year, and only middle- and upper-earners ultimately end up paying. Why do I suspect Ted Cruz won't be offering any refunds?

Anonymous said...

You're a fag, MoT.

Faith_and_Fairness said...

In response to comments posted by Anon @12:27pm regarding the job market and education:

"Who is locking out these families?"

Further opining...

"The quality of education in certain zip codes is a function of the quality of people in those zip codes. There is no magic quality to the dirt in those areas. Move the kids there to Portland and the quality of education would plummit. You have undisciplined kids of single mothers who provide zero support and encouragement towards their education. They would fail anywhere."
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With such a perspective, I suppose it stands to reason society can simply write these children off. Why even waste tax payer dollars on these families headed mostly by single women only concerned with free gubmint benefits? And the ratchet kids are destined for prison or the grave anyway.

Yet studies examining the impact of educational leadership conclude it is indeed possible to transform high poverty challenges into measurable academic achievements. And when children are inspired to perform their optimum best despite poverty and not the greatest homelife, they attain a better understanding of respect for self and others.

"Any High-Poverty School Can Become High Performing..." http://www.ascd.org/publications/books/109003/chapters/Any_High-Poverty_School_Can_Become_High_Performing.aspx

The link provided gives insight into what it's meant for the working poor to be locked out of the job market. Once vibrant communities that became a former shadow of itself due to closed businesses or company layoffs. Not always feasible moving to another location for any number of reasons.

Also left behind are college students often competing with the underemployed for the few job openings that garner hundreds of applicants.

As such, I can even empathize with Trump supporters; and to fellow poster, Lance Cockstrong, though I agree with Mr. Field about the nuanced electoral / political process, anything is possible. And should Sen. Sanders win the democratic nomination, it will be an honor supporting his candidacy in the general election.

Josh said...

Why you folks get so mad that I'm right? Government is too large. Americans completely opt out of their duty to install a proficient, competent local government because they believe the POTUS and Washington should be their government. This is not how America is set up. Black, white, Republican, Democrat -- all these idiots want it to be a huge federal apparatus implementing their personal ideology on the masses. This does not work.

Want socialism? Install it locally, not nationally. Want unfettered capitalism? Install it locally. Want uber funding for schools? Locally! Want special preference for black municipal workers so they only need a 40% proficiency rating on a test to be hired? Locally!

But our idiots here in America, and evidently pinko idiots abroad, have this fundamental belief--this dangerous misconception--that some central regulatory body should dictate to 50 independent states on everything from schools and healthcare to hiring practices and wages. As I said, which I notice wasn't refuted, just look at the effect it has on people in America. Just look at Katrina. These morons weren't helpless and stranded because they were black; they were helpless and stranded because they long abandoned the idea of installing a proper government, while instead ignoring such things and expecting a federal apparatus to play daddy.

Look at how well that works for all inner cities. Rather than trying to build up locally, they just moan and bellyache and wail about how Washington needs to do more and blah yaddah. It's disgraceful that so many Americans, right and left, have put every single one of their freedoms on the trade table in exchange for the illusion of a helping, healing federal government.

What do we have to show for it? The world's #1 international arms dealers. The world's #1 debt. The world's dumbest students. The world's #1 wasteful military force. The world's #1 mass of welfare-dependent baby factories. I know you borderline retards just point at the right and Republicans to put the blame, but every single thing that's out of whack in the USA can be attributed to large government in general, not just one party. The fucking parties are virtually identical in action. But, hey, keep pretending that "socialism" in implementation is anything at all like its definition at Wiki. lol It's the rest of us who are suckers, apparently.

PilotX said...

"Europe uses a lot of VAT"

Yep, and it's a defacto import tax. Think of the jobs we could create if we started using tariffs er I mean VAT. Cruz spelled out some of the details and yes some of it was a lowering of the corporate tax but if we can make it up in increased revenue of foreign sales and more jobs I'm ok with that. Now if only the rest of his agenda was as user friendly.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Yep, and it's a defacto import tax. Think of the jobs we could create if we started using tariffs er I mean VAT."

Hmmm. Usually, I think that Europe uses some kind of complicated scheme as well when products cross national borders, so that foreign products aren't at a competitive disadvantage. That was my impression. Here is a Wikipedia entry on how VAT is handled for imports and exports.

Again, I have no idea what Ted Cruz has in mind.

We should revisit the entire idea of free trade. The Democratic candidates in particular should be answering questions about TPP and TTIP. They should be asked questions about whether they'll use tariffs on imports from countries with essentially no labor or environmental standards, as a minimum.

About the only guy who has paid much attention to that stuff, at least that I've heard, is Trump, and only in a super-stupid sort of way ("I'll kick China so hard, they'll be sorry," etc.)

Anonymous said...

Check out how Thom Hartmann explains how Germany uses their VAT as an import tax.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/bigpicture/value-added-tax-will-return-manufacturing-us

PX

Faith_and_Fairness said...

Great share, Pilot: Not to mention, Mr. Hartmann provides additional historical facts related to VAT in the video as well.

PilotX said...

"Great share, Pilot: Not to mention, Mr. Hartmann provides additional historical facts related to VAT in the video as well."

Thom is a smart dude, i listen to his radio show all the time.

Anonymous said...

That explains everything....

teh stupid said...

That explains everything....
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And you explain nothing. It's what you do.