It never fails, there is always someone in the majority population who has to write and pontificate about the use of the n- word, and why black folks can say it and non- black folks can't.Here is a writer from The Blaze. (Of course she is a conservative, they are the only ones who obsess about being able to use the n- word. ) And this is her take from her twitter account on the subject.
"America is weird. There's this one word (you know the one) that's used casually ALL THE TIME in music and movies, and in entire communities, with no problems. But if you have the wrong skin color and say that word, regardless of context - EVEN IF IT'S A QUOTE - you're canceled.
There's this tension right now where people want black culture (including slang) to be ubiquitous, but still off limits to non-black people.
But culture doesn't work like that.
If people are exposed to culture, they adopt it.
Deal with it."
Lauren thinks that America is "weird" because she can't freely use the n-word. Go figure.
Here is the thing, Lauren. If a group of people choose to use a word that has been used against them in the past, it is their right to do so. I have Italian and Irish friends, and I would never use the G or the M word whether around my Irish and Italian friends or not. It is not my word to use. And yet, they use these slurs among themselves, and I am perfectly fine with that. They can do it, but I cannot. It's really that simple.
Women call each other the B word, Gays call each other the F word, but they are allowed, because they are in the class of people using the word among themselves. I, on the other hand, cannot use those words, and I am totally fine with that. If you are not, well then you deserve to be "canceled". (Whatever that means.)
Finally, here is another thing, black folks are not trying to push their culture on anybody, so I am not sure who the "these people" are that Lauren is referring to. Irish and Italian culture is "ubiquitous" as well, and yet, there are no opeds written about not being able to freely slur these groups because they slur each other.
Lauren wants black people to "deal" with others using the n-word because, in her words, American culture demands it. I hope, for the sake of America, that we don't ever get to that place.
Women call each other the B word, Gays call each other the F word, but they are allowed, because they are in the class of people using the word among themselves. I, on the other hand, cannot use those words, and I am totally fine with that. If you are not, well then you deserve to be "canceled". (Whatever that means.)
Finally, here is another thing, black folks are not trying to push their culture on anybody, so I am not sure who the "these people" are that Lauren is referring to. Irish and Italian culture is "ubiquitous" as well, and yet, there are no opeds written about not being able to freely slur these groups because they slur each other.
Lauren wants black people to "deal" with others using the n-word because, in her words, American culture demands it. I hope, for the sake of America, that we don't ever get to that place.
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This is a matter of politesse, and therefore mostly irrational; for politesse is arbitrary, and determined by the latest fight, rather than by reason. That makes rote memorization necessary, which is why people resent it when the rules change quickly. People can adapt rapidly when politesse is defined in rational terms.
In this case the rule is: you may call your own group whatever you want to, but you should address people of other groups only in polite terms. Slurring a fellow member of your group is a privilege of tribal membership, earned by historical suffering. It is symbolic theft of the oppressor's power; a kind of magic spell.
All of this is logical and/or human; but which precise terms are slurs and which are polite is arbitrary, and requires rote memorization. Also, who is your group? That's a matter of identity, which is mostly illusion.
Tribal self-slurring is a delicious privilege, but also a dangerous habit; for like the walls of a ghetto, it walls out the others... but also walls in the tribe.
I would have to ask what exactly she wants to say using that word that she can't say without using it, and why.
I would have to ask that if, of course, she was making a good faith argument about the use of language in the manner of the excellent explanation given above by Paradoctor.
But she's not, is she?
She's just trying to portray herself as some sort of victim.
Well, how about this: We have the first amendment guarantee against the government abridging free speech, so she is free to say almost anything she wants without government intervention.
What we do not have, and should not, is a freedom from any consequences to the speech we choose to employ.
I, for instance, am perfectly free to use a lot of high-volume insults in the Hell's Angels clubhouse, and am just as free to get my fool ass kicked for doing so.
In the manner of her argument, I could say that the Hell's Angels do in fact use insulting language among themselves (or at least they used to when I knew them), so American culture demands that I be afforded the same privilege.
And the answer to such an absurdity is that I'm free to go through prospects and try to get a patch and be a member so as to gain such privileges, and then discover that no such privileges exist and I would still get my ass kicked for running my mouth without considering the circumstances.
Which, from what I can tell as a white guy, is also true of the word in question. There is no free pass for its use. There exist situations where its use is condoned by those present, and situations where its use is not.
The fact that she doesn't feel like she has access to those situations is her problem, but she wants it to be everyone else's instead.
Or more likely she's just an entitled cunt saying "Look at me, I'm so smart."
-Doug in Oakland
No one is stopping her or those who liked her rant feom using the word. My guess is she also wants to wear blackface this Halloween too. In short this is just the umpteenth, eleven dozen time we have to hear the "but why do you have BET?" argument. Give it a rest sister, geez find something else to whine about.
The problem is that it's deemed a firing/beating/cancellation offense to use "nigger" even when singing/rapping along with a song.
Blacks want whites to consume their cultural products, but demand the power to determine how that consumption is practiced.
The solution is for whites to stop consuming black culture. Do not buy hip-hop. Do not listen to it. Stay away from the "concerts" (people get shot at them regularly, that's just common sense). Shun the people who consume that dreck. If they want a cross-cultural experience, listen to Rammstein or Babymetal or The Hu instead. Listen to country, there isn't anything in it you're not allowed to sing along with.
What would happen to Kanye West if whites boycotted him? He'd be history. I'd love to see that happen. Imagine all the rappers begging their white fans to come back, telling them that "it's OK to say nigger".
Imagine the former fans saying "no".
(Of course she is a conservative, they are the only ones who obsess about being able to use the n- word. )
Now stoopid fucking wasicus are in favor of integration? For one word?
Listen to country, there isn't anything in it you're not allowed to sing along with.
The Dixie chicks could argue this point with you and you'd lose.
Just read Elijah Cummings passed away at 68. He was a man among many of America's greatest leaders and should have been alive to see an America that was colorblind and filled with love for one another, not the bigotry from the wasicu wasteys in the stoopid fucking wingnut party!
Maybe it is for the best for Mr Cummings because under drumpfuck the dumbfuck it can and will get worse.
RIP at last, Elijah Cummings.
Anonymous said.....
"The solution is for whites to stop consuming black culture. Do not buy hip-hop. Do not listen to it. Stay away from the "concerts" (people get shot at them regularly, that's just common sense)."
" Listen to country, there isn't anything in it you're not allowed to sing along with."
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So you and Lauren think that having manners, employing common courtesy, and respecting other people are problems that restrict your freedom? You are just like the current president and you ideas are as unpopular as he is.
As for country music, seems I recall over 50 people were slaughter recently at a country music concert. And you advise us not to go to concerts, which means that you recommend an extreme restriction in our freedom that goes way beyond any restrictions on using racial or ethnic slurs toward any group.
The anonymoid isn't wrong about the irrationality of good manners; nor about the self-isolating nature of tribal self-slurring. It's part of what I call the Brat's Whinge, which goes something like this:
"Your rules are stupid and insincere, and fabricated by control freaks with an power agenda. I am Boor, hear me roor."
That is half of the truth. The other half is given by what I call the Geezer's Wheeze, which goes something like this:
"Listen, child: civilization needs these stupid rules to defend itself from idiots and barbarians. Good luck howling in the wilderness."
Brats who survive long enough tend to turn into Geezers.
Doug:
It takes class to recognize class. Thanks.
Paradoctor: You made my comment easier to write by covering what needed to be said before I could get to my point. Thank you.
As for the idea of not consuming black culture, just remember that it includes jazz, "the American artform" and blues, which is the basis of both rock and country, leaving you with mostly music you neither like nor understand.
As someone who has been a musician for 43 years, I can say that if someone says your playing "sounds white" it's not a compliment.
-Doug in Oakland
From False Equivalencies Daily, Governor Cuomo of New York recently used the N word and was surprised by the backlash: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/politics/andrew-cuomo-racial-slur/index.html
"Blacks want whites to consume their cultural products, but demand the power to determine how that consumption is practiced."
Not really. Most rap, movies and shows produced by blah folks is totally ignored by whites anyway. Go ahead and boycott blah culture and music and see what happens. Basically the same thing that happened back in the day, whites who want to be cool will sneak across the tracks to get down with the cool kids. Suburban white guys who want to be edgy will always attempt to be cool by consuming blah products. The Rolling Stones? Jeff Beck? The Beatles? Eric Clapton? C'mon man, we all know what time it is.😂
Paradoctor: You made my comment easier to write by covering what needed to be said before I could get to my point. Thank you.
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As for the idea of not consuming black culture, just remember that it includes jazz, "the American artform" and blues, which is the basis of both rock and country, leaving you with mostly music you neither like nor understand.
As someone who has been a musician for 43 years, I can say that if someone says your playing "sounds white" it's not a compliment.
-Doug in Oakland
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Right on Doug! Pure American "white" music includes songs such as Beautiful Dreamer, Wait for the Wagon, and Turkey in the Straw. Not bad, but hardly what we enjoy today. It always amazes me how ignorant of the history of music racists are. I guess they think that white people invented everything.
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The Dixie chicks could argue this point with you and you'd lose.
Yeah, right. What Dixie Chicks song was that, that you can't sing along with? Wasn't a song at all. Oh, and aren't you the side that keeps telling everyone that you have freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences of your speech? But it's DIFFERENT when YOU do it, right?
That's the hypocrisy which is souring America's civic milk, but you can't taste it over your own sourness.
you and Lauren think that having manners, employing common courtesy, and respecting other people are problems that restrict your freedom?
Name ONE other word commonly used in "art" which any race is not allowed to repeat, even as a quote.
As for country music, seems I recall over 50 people were slaughter recently at a country music concert.
Hint for the Alzheimers patients: Las Vegas wasn't country fans shooting each other.
Deep State: "How many people do we have to slaughter before you give up your guns?!"
America: "Molon labe."
And you advise us not to go to concerts
That's hip-hop "concerts", Granny. Your reading ability is falling victim to dementia.
As for the idea of not consuming black culture, just remember that it includes jazz, "the American artform" and blues, which is the basis of both rock and country
Jazz came out of ragtime, which was originated by none other than Ludwig von Beethoven. Scott Joplin got it from his Jewish music tutor. It's all black appropriation of white culture, except for bebop. Whites only pretended to like bebop to appear open-minded and "liberal", and nobody listens to it anymore.
It's a simple point that some people don't seem to understand, certain words are ok within certain groups. Fat people can call other people fat. We can move on to other topics now.
"Jazz came out of ragtime"
Sort of kind of but fused with rhythms from the motherland which could have only happened in New Orleans. The fusion happened because of the beats heard from Congo Square on Tuesdays and the traditional music studied by the middle class blahs downtown.
"Name ONE other word commonly used in "art" which any race is not allowed to repeat, even as a quote."
Kike, wop, beaner, spic, faggot.
"Whites only pretended to like bebop to appear open-minded and "liberal"
Really? Your evidence is?
I learned early on sex came from modern music. Three quarters jazz time, one quarter rag time. :) Not that I really feel that way, today. Sex is okay if you like it.
Republicans: There was no quid pro quo.
Fergus: Here's the quid pro quo.
Republicans: He didn't really mean that.
Mulvaney: There was no quid pro quo.
When a reporter explained to the acting White House chief of staff that he'd "just described a quid pro quo," Mulvaney replied, "We do that all the time with foreign policy."
We only have to impeach you for it once, though, so that means you mostly got away with it?
Until Fergus is out of office and no longer under the protection of the OLC memo, when he can be prosecuted for his crimes, which seem to be more numerous by the day.
https://www.businessinsider.com/propublica-trump-tax-records-financial-fraud-2019-10
-Doug in Oakland
Yeah, right. What Dixie Chicks song was that, that you can't sing along with?
Ask country radio stations why they banned that music even though public was against it?
If you are old enough to remember, before FM radio, 8 track tapes, cassettes, etc you needed a good AM radio in your vehicle to sing along with and banned music doesn't play worth a shit.
Natalie Maines telling concert goers she was ashamed to be from Texas with dumbass dubya as potus is pretty fucking mild to having drumpf egg his followers on to beat people up and his hateful racist distribes against legal asylum seekers. You are the hypocrite and always have been.
ps I do not re-present all libs, progressives or any other bunch. I voice my opinions. You, otoh are all hypocrites because you all get fake news talking points.
How about that orange bullet bracelet Pelosi is wearing. It means drumpf gets assassinated in Dallas on the 17th unless it is really a reminder to her to pass meaningful gun legislation.
Drumpfuck has awarded the G& summit next year to his Miami resort, unless he can be removed from office before he cAN make a killing financially.
As well as that the Italian and Irish cultures have progressed at the same pace as the ruling class. Not so the ADOS, so the use of the word is entirely egregious.
I remember the Dixie Chicks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udF-CKxzCF0&lc=UghMaydZqvsfOHgCoAEC
-Doug in Oakland
Anonymous said.........
Jazz came out of ragtime, which was originated by none other than Ludwig von Beethoven. Scott Joplin got it from his Jewish music tutor.
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And you reference for this ridiculous claim is? As a life long consumer of Beethoven's music, I have never heard a note of ragtime any where in it. Additionally, in my college music courses which included the history of music, there was no mention or other indication that Beethoven was in any way associated with ragtime.
So put your money where your mouth is and tell us where you got this notion.
Anonymous said...
Name ONE other word commonly used in "art" which any race is not allowed to repeat, even as a quote.
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What other art form involves derogatory speech against a particular group? Perhaps poetry?
And how n the hell does this question relate to having good manners and not insulting each other?
Anonymous said
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Hint for the Alzheimers patients: Las Vegas wasn't country fans shooting each other.
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Hint for the anonymous asshole who think he's cute: The writer of the post we are discussing recommended that we listen and support country music. And you don't know whether or not the Las Vegas shooter was a country music fan.
And by the way it's spelled Alzheimer's, not Alzheiimers.
What N word was she talking about? Nazi?
"And you don't know whether or not the Las Vegas shooter was a country music fan."
Oh he was.😆
"So put your money where your mouth is and tell us where you got this notion."
I have an idea where they got this notion.😆
Not all of country is bad. Jason Isbell, the Highwomen, and the entire genre of bluegrass, which is chock full of monster players and much more have a lot to offer.
Now the business of country music is a whole different matter.
Something I have noticed in the last forty years is that most musicians, regardless of genre, are OK as people. With some extravagant exceptions, of course, but by the numbers, in my experience, it holds.
The folks who make their money by selling music, on the other hand, tend to have a lot more creeps among their ranks, and germane to the topic, are the ones who tend to make the decisions about "controversial" content, such as the word under discussion, and its use as an attention getter for the purpose of selling music.
I can only think of two instances of white musicians using that word appropriately in songs (although I don't claim to know every one), one by Elvis Costello in "Oliver's Army" and one by Frank Zappa in "You Are What You Is" and there are likely people who would disagree with that assessment and feel like they shouldn't have used it.
And note that both of those songs are forty years old and times have changed since 1980.
-Doug in Oakland
And you reference for this ridiculous claim is? As a life long consumer of Beethoven's music, I have never heard a note of ragtime any where in it.
That's because your tin ear couldn't detect it, or you never heard the piece.
Additionally, in my college music courses which included the history of music, there was no mention or other indication that Beethoven was in any way associated with ragtime.
Probably because, even then, nobody wanted to have to admit that "the great" Scott Joplin drew from any sort of white influence. You know, like George Washington Carver is given credit for inventing peanut butter, when nut butters were known and consumed centuries before him?
So put your money where your mouth is and tell us where you got this notion.
Beethoven piano sonata number 32, opus 111. You would have known this if you followed the link above, but ignoring facts that challenge your ignorance is par for the course with you.
Since Elijah Cummings has passed and Dems will be at his services, what kind of illegal shit will wingnuts pull when they have no dissenting voices again?
"The folks who make their money by selling music, on the other hand, tend to have a lot more creeps among their ranks"
(((folks)))
Today is thirty years since the Loma Prieta earthquake.
-Doug in Oakland
Anonymous said.....
Beethoven piano sonata number 32, opus 111. You would have known this if you followed the link above, but ignoring facts that challenge your ignorance is par for the course with you.
9:08 PM
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The the post I was responding to: Anonymous at 4:10 PM did not post any link to support his claim, so it was not possible for me to "follow the link above." Do you have a link, smart ass? If so, please post it.
While Elijah Cummings was in hospice he signed a pair of subpoenas for information about the supposedly reinstated policy of deferred deportation of children receiving lifesaving medical care that Fergus seems to have lied about reinstating.
He was dying but didn't stop trying to protect those kids from being killed by Fergus.
Now let's see whether they blow off the subpoenas or not.
-Doug in Oakland
"Beethoven piano sonata number 32, opus 111"
Just curious, does this sonata have any improvised lines or time changes in it? Some of the hallmarks of jazz are the freedom to improvise and somewhat ignore standard musical rules. It was a feeedom felt by the inhabitants of Treme because that was one of the first blah middle class areas in the country and a sense if freedom was expressed in the music by turning established rules on their heads. While there are many influences jazz is a unique art form.
The sonata is at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQMCfqFr4XA
I hope the link works.
Well, I like it. Judge for yourself if it's like ragtime. No improvised lines in it.
If Louie From The Beetfield and Louie Of The Strong Arm found the same musical gold, well I say great minds think alike. Maybe the ideal Form of the perfect ragtime floats somewhere in the spirit plane...
Once I saw a video of Beethoven's 5th played by the Beijing Orchestra. Was that cultural hegemony? Or cultural appropriation? Or did Beethoven write for all humankind?
Gambling White Woman and Anonymous Jazz Guy. I'll have to aska you to give anon his due. It is quite safe to say that the bold melodies and arpeggios of Ragtime originated on German and German-American pianos from men that had studied old Louie. Out of 32 Sonatas, I only know a handful. But I played a very musical and elegant rendition of the Waldstein Sonata in my day. Who else but Beethoven explored and defined the harmonic dictionary of the piano? As I type I'm listening to this Sonata 32 and I am hearing the same type of bold melodies played over a striding bass that I learned in Sonata 21. That's the building blocks. A celebration of harmonic tonality in its purest forms. Some wandering and roving to occur in diminished chords and arpeggios.
I thought that the link provided by anon was just a guy swinging the Beethoven, but now I'm not so sure, he may have just been excerpting it. Because I heard that same sixteenth note triplet thing that begun your link. Amazing.
Clearly Beethoven did more than any other romantic composer to try to explode the rhythmic possibilities of piano music. But he could only foreshadow the true volcanic eruption of music and rhythm that occurred in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries in the U.S.
Damn right anon. It was the same guys playing the Beethoven, Haydn and Mozart going on to make their own musical forms. Good call.
Pilot,
The music of Beethoven does not generally contain time signatures that include prime numbers, but Beethoven and Haydn and Mozart before him drew upon the rich tradition of the recitativ which began as a vocal coloratura in opera music and later became anything from a free-form piano cadenza to a wildly flying ornamental passage on a trumpet. Recitativs are replete with rubato and can be characterized by wildly fluctuating tempos and accelerandos accompanied by grand allargandos.
Funny. White, straight males are about the only people that you can call any name under the sun. And no one will say a damn thing about it. Honkey, cracker, goober, redneck, trailer trash,...or even Queenie's new name, waiscu...whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
You idiots are going to get so smoked in the elections, it's laughable. Pelosi won't hold a vote for impeachment on the House Floor, because she wants to hold the House for the Dems, and not be sent back to botox hell.
Funny. White, straight males are about the only people that you can call any name under the sun.
Too bad I don't have a personal beef with you. Because if I did, man! What a set-up. If you were my enemy I could shell you with mortars insult-wise, pummel you with personal attacks, and slam you with slurs and name-calling, and you couldn't say shit about it, because you are the ruling class, the top dog, the white, straight male.
Congratulations
I don't have any beef with you, or consider you an enemy, Junior.
I was just asking why white, straight, males can be called any names you want....and no one says a thing. Black comedians have used it for years.
"Ruling class" has nothing to do with it. If whites were truly "ruling", why would we tolerate this, um, disrespect?
"you are the ruling class, the top dog, the white, straight male"
No ruling class would denigrate itself if it truly controlled the culture.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
Hey Doug. You should know I consider you one of the most intelligent folks whopost on this blog. Even if your Raiders are bailing out on you too:)
I recall, in a thread, not so far away, I suggested Trump should call on SCOTUS to help stop the Dems from denying him of Due Process. That is unconstitutional. Especially since they were still in session.
Now, forgive me if I'm wrong, but, I think you were one of those to say I didn't know what I was talking about. Or maybe one of your minions.
I was just wondering how this might fend into the narrative:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Bush-v-Gore
Anonymous said...
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
9:05 AM
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I find this post nonsensical. We are all free to criticize anyone we want to at any time. Having to to face the consequences of our words is a choice we make every day.
flying Junior said....
Gambling White Woman and Anonymous Jazz Guy. I'll have to aska you to give anon his due. It is quite safe to say that the bold melodies and arpeggios of Ragtime originated on German and German-American pianos from men that had studied old Louie.
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Music like every other human endeavor has evolved over time. But that doesn't justify the claim the Beethoven invented rag time.
BTW, I very much appreciate your post!
"We are all free to criticize anyone we want to at any time. Having to to face the consequences of our words is a choice we make every day."
If the consequences of saying something that is objectively true are losing one's job and having your life ruined, is that really being free?
Lt. Commander Johnson said...
Funny. White, straight males are about the only people that you can call any name under the sun. And no one will say a damn thing about it. Honkey, cracker, goober, redneck, trailer trash,...or even Queenie's new name, waiscu...whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
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Oh, poor you. So sad that you must suffer so much.
Anonymous said...
"We are all free to criticize anyone we want to at any time. Having to to face the consequences of our words is a choice we make every day."
If the consequences of saying something that is objectively true are losing one's job and having your life ruined, is that really being free?
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Yes it is being free. Free to make your choices and take your chances. Here's one for you: If you have a boss, a supervisor, or someone else you report to, you are free to insult that person or cuss him or her out? Sure you are, but then you must face the consequences. There is no such thing a as the total freedom that you want when you share the planet with other people.
Howz this for an "N" word..... no to drumpfuck and stoopid fucking wingnuts forever. Never vote against your best interests again. Become independent or bleeding heart liberal. When you embrace everyone around you you set yourself free from racism and prejudice forever.
Funny. White, straight males are about the only people that you can call any name under the sun.
Drumpf has called brown people every name under the sun except the accepted names.
Commandeered Queenie, if you are too stoopid or lazy to look up wasicu, that is w-a-s-i-c-u, then you deserve all the derision we can heap on your lazy butt.
ps I see you are still struggling with large numbers like 1. I do not comment here under any name than the all true one I use.
NYT has an interesting story, unfortunately it is behind a paywall, that tells of a school security guard fired for repeating the "N" word he asked a student to stop using towards him.
"Yes it is being free. Free to make your choices and take your chances."
That's disingenuous at best.
Like telling a Russian in the 1930's Soviet Union he's free to criticize Stalin, he just has to accept the consequences of spending the rest of his short life in a Gulag in Siberia.
You feel free to criticize Trump and accuse him of thousands of crimes because that narrative is supported by power. Everything you say conforms completely with the agenda of the dominant elite.
Try pointing out who controls the media and our politicians and you'll find out how quickly you can be socially ostracized and economically crushed.
Blogger mike from iowa said...
"Funny. White, straight males are about the only people that you can call any name under the sun.
Drumpf has called brown people every name under the sun except the accepted names.
Commandeered Queenie, if you are too stoopid or lazy to look up wasicu, that is w-a-s-i-c-u, then you deserve all the derision we can heap on your lazy butt.
ps I see you are still struggling with large numbers like 1. I do not comment here under any name than the all true one I use.
1:20 PM"
What the hell are you talking about, "corn/hog boy"? Just WHAT names are you referring to, Queenie? Just how many "true names" have you used over the years? Do you really think we are all to believe Queenie just "disappeared"?
Yeah. I know the definition of waiscu. Honkey would be more appropiate. Know where that "definition" originated?
BTW. Here's a list of words you can use in your daily vocabulary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
What does Bush v. Gore have to do with impeachment?
Impeachment is the constitutionally specified remedy for presidential misbehavior, deriving its legitimacy from the same document that created the supreme court, which was given in that document no jurisdiction over impeachment.
It might be called upon to adjudicate certain details of the process, as it was in Nixon's case, and I ask you how that turned out for him?
Congress was given the sole power of impeachment, and even this supreme court is very likely to rule as such, especially since the most rabid and Trumpy of the right wing justices are "strict constructionists", who believe the letter of the constitution must be adhered to.
They could be as dishonest about that as the rest of the Republicans, who don't give one hair on a rat's furry ass about the running of the country and only care about winning, but as they are already supreme court justices, the edge has been taken off of their lust for power.
They could still just decide to be assholes like in Bush v. Gore, but the likelihood of them getting to that opportunity isn't great.
-Doug in Oakland
Because, Doug. It shows that SCOTUS CAN step in and adjudicate a matter when really necessary. When we're talking about impeachment...I would say it's necessary. Not letting the accused face their accusers is just damn wrong. Vote, dammit.
Anonymous said..........
Like telling a Russian in the 1930's Soviet Union he's free to criticize Stalin, he just has to accept the consequences of spending the rest of his short life in a Gulag in Siberia.
1:31 PM.
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Yes, that's exactly what I meant. You can say something that offends someone greatly and they attack you. This is what I meant by considering the consequences of your speech. Stalin's Russia had no free political speech. In this country political speech is legally protected by our Constitution. But there is no such thing as total free speech unless you are the only person left alive on the planet.
Please tell me why you want to be free to insult other people without consequences? That doesn't seem to be a very noble crusade to me.
Doug, please read this:
https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/right-of-accused-to-confront-witnesses.html
This isn't from some hokey pro-Trump site. It's from the Constitution. The Dems doing all their inquiries "behind closed doors" is just wrong.
Wingnuts did closed door meetings when Obama was potus. Drumpf lied when he said Paul Ryan respected America so much he wouldn't issue a subpoena (ezxcept for the hundred plus that were issued under Ryan).
With wingnuts circling the swamp drain to protect drumpf, any bit of information allowed behind closed doors would be fast walked to the kremlin annex by Devin Numbnuts.
CQ, there are any number of sound constitutional reasons not to force victims to face the perps in court and the judge needs to weigh that very carefully. This is especially true of kids and their rapists and other molestors. It would be like your side to traumatize children in courts. Afterall, your side could give a fuck what happens to a forced birth fetus after it is born, but you don't.
just WHAT names are you referring to,
murderers, rapists, drug dealers. not very nice people disease ridden, and too many others to bother to list.
Lt. Commander Johnson said...
Because, Doug. It shows that SCOTUS CAN step in and adjudicate a matter when really necessary. When we're talking about impeachment...I would say it's necessary. Not letting the accused face their accusers is just damn wrong. Vote, dammit.
4:52 PM
You are getting ahead of yourself. The current activities of the House involve an investigation of the president's wrong doing. It is not a trial yet, therefore there is no requirement for the "accused face their accusers." That will happen if and when the House actually passes the impeachment indictment, that is, charges Trump with high crimes etc., then due process kicks in. In the meantime Trump should stop whining and suck it up like everyone else.
Talk about dedication to duty, Elijah Cummings was signing subpoenas on his death bed. I hope each one wrecks a stoopid fucking crooked, swamp dwelling wasicu wastey.
Lt. Commander Johnson said...
Because, Doug. It shows that SCOTUS CAN step in and adjudicate a matter when really necessary. When we're talking about impeachment...I would say it's necessary. Not letting the accused face their accusers is just damn wrong. Vote, dammit.
4:52 PM
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One more time - Trump has not been formally accused of anything yet. Congress in conducting an INVESTIGATION.
I was asking Doug, Not you, Queenie. It's not really hard to keep up with the screen names you hide behind.
BTW...we have creeks in Mississippi that are larger than your "beloved Sioux "River".
BTW...we have creeks in Mississippi that are larger than your "beloved Sioux "River".That is my "Beloved little Sioux River" to you, Jack.
What was yer point?
You having trouble with large numbers still? You prove I have posted under more than one name here and I will leave Field's blog forever. But you can't so maybe you should leave forever.
Um, Mr. Corn boy...I was replying to the comment by Gambler2ASKA White woman. Isn't it odd how both you and Queenie both use the term "wasicu wastey"? Never seen anyone on this blog use that before.
Lt. Commander Johnson said...
I was asking Doug, Not you, Queenie. It's not really hard to keep up with the screen names you hide behind.
BTW...we have creeks in Mississippi that are larger than your "beloved Sioux "River".
6:34 PM
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So in your opinion, I am Queenie as well as Granny with Alzheimer's? Or were you not speaking to me? ROTF LMAO
It's difficult to tell since you call so many people Queenie.
"The Dems doing all their inquiries "behind closed doors" is just wrong."
Every impeachment investigation is done behind closed doors, just like a grand jury, so the witnesses are not allowed to make their stories agree.
The reason the house is holding its depositions behind closed doors is because it, unlike the impeachment investigations of Nixon and Clinton, has to do the investigation itself because Barr's corrupt DOJ won't let the FBI do it.
So due process is indeed not being followed, not by the committees in the house, but by the DOJ and FBI, who are only working to protect Fergus and not doing their damn jobs.
-Doug in Oakland
Anonymous at 4:10 PM did not post any link to support his claim, so it was not possible for me to "follow the link above."
Anonymous at 4:10 PM (the preceding text IS a link, which you can tell because it's colored differently) posted a link with the text "originated by none other than Ludwig von Beethoven." All you had to do was click it.
Do you have a link, smart ass? If so, please post it.
The text I posted in my comment above (preceding 3 words are a link to the comment, if it works right), "You would have known this if you followed the link above", is also a link to the same destination.
I thought you might be playing stupid, but I'm increasingly convinced that you aren't playing.
So Commandeered Queenie, how can post to Gambler statements about my river in iowa? Are you geographically challenged as well? There is help for that right at your fingertips.
I have never seen Gambler use wasicu wastey. Isn't that amazing?
Anonymous said........
The text I posted in my comment above (preceding 3 words are a link to the comment, if it works right), "You would have known this if you followed the link above", is also a link to the same destination.
I thought you might be playing stupid, but I'm increasingly convinced that you aren't playing.
6:56 AM
OK, so you meant the video with the piano playing as your proof that Beethoven invented rag time? Sorry I was expecting a reliable reference from a respected music historian.
I don't see how this sonata proves your point. Rather it shows how versatile Beethoven was. All great musical composers have incorporated some of what has come before them. That's the nature of the beast. Have a nice day.
Mike from Iowa said....
So Commandeered Queenie, how can post to Gambler statements about my river in iowa? Are you geographically challenged as well? There is help for that right at your fingertips.
8:59 AM
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Mike, Maybe he thinks that all of us who answer his posts are the same person.
I have been to Iowa twice during two cross-country, road trips my late husband and I took a few years ago. I found Iowa to be stunningly beautiful and was especially enchanted by the enormous wind mills.
Windmills are a white invention.
Anonymous said...
Windmills are a white invention.
12:40 PM
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Who gives a shit?
"Windmills are a white invention."
If you consider the Persians and the Chinese to be white.
The Iraq war was a white invention.
-Doug in Oakland
"Windmills are a white invention."
If you consider the Persians and the Chinese to be white.
The Iraq war was a white invention.
-Doug in Oakland
3:25 PM
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I think Anon. wants us to believe that white people invented everything. LOL
Thanks Gambler2, Fun musical meandering.
"I think Anon. wants us to believe that white people invented everything."
Just about everything.
I call bull no way in hell black girls
are that smart pretty much everything their showing
about Shuri doesn't even remotely come close to matching
(a.k.a, e.g, i.e reflecting real life circumstances of her race
and ethnicity this is just some afro centric BS I love Marvel
an all but this takes the nonsense cake and its so tiresome
that they've created a narrative that some how the African
tribe of wakanda was able to do this garbage by using one
material to advance themselves magically out of no where
ahead of every one else except (New Attilan). while the rest
of man kind was an or is using various types of sources
and resources to progress themselves an didn't need to
rely on one item to be ahead of everybody except (wakanda
New Attilan) unlike a certain group that can't even close the
achievement gap in real life
let alone be the first race to do some thing first mostly before
any one not to mention the astronomical amount of excuses that
they make for themselves when it comes to the ghettos, slums, projects
on why that looks the way it does.I mean look at Detroit and Haiti, Sub Saharan
Africa. in fact notice that they are the only race that only needs to have "stop the
violence rally" do you see that in any other societies an communities another thing
is when it comes to typhoons they are mostly the ones that loot and don't help out
when it comes to tragedy's also I should add they are the only race that keeps blaming
their actions,failures to another race even when that particular group that they don't like
is no where to be around an found and still manage to come up with the lamest excuses
to blame them for it.
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