Congrats Elena Kagan. Looks like his O ness did you a solid by getting you a lifetime appointment to the most powerful court in the land. Nice.
I could say so much about this pick, but I will leave it alone. (For now) Ms. Kagan certainly has all the right credentials: Princeton. Harvard. You can't get much better than that in the academic department. Still, the liberals are nervous about her. And the wingnuts, of course, believe that O picked her because she is a secret Socialist, just like him.
Some folks are already whining that she has no judicial experience, but then some of our best supremes never had judicial experience. So that's a none issue as far as I am concerned. Personally, it would have been nice if O had put a person of color on the court. (Hey, we could use one. Lord knows we don't have any now.) But, at the end of the day, it's O's call. Besides, the person's color, gender, or religious affiliation- or lack of it- isn't as important to me as how they are going to rule on the important issues of the day.
Of course the rethugs are already getting ready for a fight. It must have been tough for them. Kagan never wrote judicial opinions so there is no paper trail for them to go over to try and find any got ya notes in her writings.
Hmmm what's a good republican operative to do? There must be something they can get her on.........Wait, I think they have something. Something that will really fire up their base and the teabag folks:
"So, did everyone think that the Elena Kagan nomination was going to be easy? Ha, no.
Right out of the gate, the Republican National Committee -- you know, that organization headed by Michael Steele, who recently opined that the GOP had not "done a very good job" giving African-Americans a reason to vote Republican -- has released a statement slagging Kagan for her tribute to... uhm -- Thurgood Marshall, the first African-American to serve on the Supreme Court. Smooth move!
Right out of the gate, the Republican National Committee -- you know, that organization headed by Michael Steele, who recently opined that the GOP had not "done a very good job" giving African-Americans a reason to vote Republican -- has released a statement slagging Kagan for her tribute to... uhm -- Thurgood Marshall, the first African-American to serve on the Supreme Court. Smooth move!
In its first memo to reporters since Kagan's nomination to the high court became public, the Republican National Committee highlighted Kagan's tribute to Marshall in a 1993 law review article published shortly after his death.
Kagan quoted from a speech Marshall gave in 1987 in which he said the Constitution as originally conceived and drafted was "defective." She quoted him as saying the Supreme Court's mission was to "show a special solicitude for the despised and the disadvantaged."
The Sotomayor confirmation process, I think, firmly established how various factions feel about empathizing with the "despised and disadvantaged." Now, the RNC wants to know, "Does Kagan Still View Constitution 'As Originally Drafted And Conceived' As 'Defective'?......"
Oh yeah, that's right, Kagan clerked for Thurgood Marshall. Yep, they have her ass now. [Article]
236 comments:
1 – 200 of 236 Newer› Newest»The recent omission of a diverse choice for the supreme court vacancy with the retirement of Justice Stevens by Obama is troubling on so many levels. Apparently unless you are white, jewish, christian and a graduate of an ivy league law school it is best not to apply for this job. Those who are still cheerleaders for Obama have a lot of explaining to do. Asian and Arab americans as well buddhists, moslems and atheists need not apply .
Field I'm hot about this pick.
I wanted a black woman. Period. I'm not even going to front. As a female black law student thats what I wanted.
At least we can rest assured, with obama in the white house, for the time being anyway, that a nude negro law will never come to pass. There is some retarded blogger called the rawness, who actuall y is in favor of this law. It might work for haiti, buy not in this country.
FN this reads like a dodge and a deflection...Some of your peers are white and jewish?? None of your peers are asian, arab or native american? None of your peers zen or islam?
Your standard applys to everyone but that is not the issue..We can have both with a ptogressive selection merit and diversity!!!!
Besides, the person's color, gender, or religious affiliation- or lack of it- isn't as important to me as how they are going to rule on the important issues of the day.
"
If the Constitution was perfect then it wouldn't need amendments. The framers understood this and understood that it would need to be a living document that would grow as the country grew.
There were portions of the Constitution that were very clearly defective, slavery and a voting franchise limited to white men leap to mind. Acknowledging those facts does not diminish the Constitution. On the contrary, the fact that the document has been revised to correct the flaws is probably the greatest praise one can give to the Constitution.
Of course the constitution was defective and yes the amendments helped but some of them were defective i.e the 18th amendment..
you have to see what the right wingers are doing:
http://act.credoaction.com/pages/antikagan/
her comment about "defective" had to do with allowing slavery.
WHite gays do not encounter nor have ever encountered the same inhumanity as Blacks as a matter of fact quite often white gays are as racists as thier white counterparts...
Obama clearly thinks white gays that are jewish have more value than non-whites gays that are buddhists, moslems etc..
Anon. 8:45 PM, I understand your frustrations, and I am not sure about your politics. But personally (and I guess this is for Trasher as well), I wouldn't have cared if he had selectd a white hermaphrodite who worships Witchcraft. If their rulings are in sync with my politics, we are all good.
Sorry, I have been burned by one black man before. Symbolism is fine, but I care much more about the person's rulings.
And yes, I know, some of you are saying, why couldn't O have selected a person of color whose rulings might be in sync with his ideologically?
Well, you will have to ask one of the Obamaholics that question.
This was a terrible selection and offensive from a diversity perspective...Unless you are white, christian and jewish don't bother to exist in the Obama white house when SCOTUS is at issue..
Thrasher said...
The recent omission of a diverse choice for the supreme court vacancy with the retirement of Justice Stevens by Obama is troubling on so many levels....
What do you mean omission of a diverse choice? When Elena Kagan is confirmed the Supreme Court will contain three female Justices. And it will be a diverse group of women too -- one originally from Brooklyn, one originally from Manhattan, and one originally from the Bronx.
FN a person's rulings are not in a vacum your logic is flawed and myopic at end of the day..it is a dodge..
Kagan has no rulings no history no paper legacy nothing to validate your premise...Kagan was never a judge of anything..
FN please then explain your logic when you make the declaration you only care about a person's ruling when in the Kagan situation she has NO rulings???
"Oh yeah, that's right, Kagan clerked for Thurgood Marshall. Yep, they have her ass now"
Thurgood Marshall on Maclom X:
"I believe he was a bum, hell he was a damned pimp. A convicted pimp - about as lowlife as you can get"
You gonna have her ass now? (There's a lot there to have)
Kagan is not a diverse choice the SCOTUS already has white woman and jews..
Kagan selection it seems to be a political one best on upon the leverage of white woman, gays and religion...
Non-whites who are not jewish nor christian cannot excell in this type of white house
Anonymous said...
Field I'm hot about this pick.
"I wanted a black woman. Period. I'm not even going to front. As a female black law student thats what I wanted."
Apparently, there is not a single qualified black woman in this country.
Obama's selection is yet another path away from a Black Agenda which is of course an American Agenda..
Thrasher said...
Kagan is not a diverse choice the SCOTUS already has white woman and jews..
lotsa jews. 1/3 of the court.
Obama of course views the Black electorate as a margainal concern whenever options are evaluated in the white house..
Obama will never make a threshold decision with Black folks in the center of the issue..Never..
Obama of course views the Black electorate as a margainal concern whenever options are evaluated in the white house..
Obama will never make a threshold decision with Black folks in the center of the issue..Never..
FN, thats my point (@ non 9:20pm) there has to be, at least one lol qualified black woman in america that believes what he does. That belief system does work any way. There have been countless times a president has put someone on that damn court, thought they were going one way a changed up the min the got their robe.I refuse to believe that he could not find one (Sears???). Its past time for a black woman and I'm pissed. lol
How the hell can a pr woman get it before a black woman...boy I tell yau
"FN please then explain your logic when you make the declaration you only care about a person's ruling when in the Kagan situation she has NO rulings???"
Please read the conservative Town Hall link I gave in the post. Just because a person doesn't have a paper-trail of rulings does not mean that you can't find out where they stand ideologically.
And this is not a "dodge". Kagan might not have been my first choice, but I am looking at the folks your boy was looking over and she wasn't one of the worst in the lot.
BTW, who was your first choice?
Ruben Castillo? Cass Sunstein?Leah Sears? Merrick Garland? Diane Wood?(who would have been fine with me)Those are the choices you were working with. So you tell me who you wanted?
"Apparently, there is not a single qualified black woman in this country."
There are plenty. In fact he married one.
Anon 9:19 pm, please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself.
"BTW, who was your first choice?
Ruben Castillo? Cass Sunstein?Leah Sears? Merrick Garland? Diane Wood?(who would have been fine with me)Those are the choices you were working with. So you tell me who you wanted?"
Whoopi Goldberg.
field negro said...
"Anon 9:19 pm, please keep your sexual fantasies to yourself."
Here's one for you: Now with Elena in town, Janet Napolitano will have someone to unleash her womanly passions with. Picture Fred Flintstone making out furiously with Ed Asner. Really.
[quote]Of course the rethugs are already getting ready for a fight. It must have been tough for them. Kagan never wrote judicial opinions so there is no paper trail for them to go over to try and find any got ya notes in her writings.
[/quote]
Filled Negro:
Do you see that in your quest for "Self-Chumming" to appease your progressive-fundamentalist friends you fail to make note that if this were an adversarial appointment that YOU would be using her lack of paper trail as the biggest indictment against her.
We now must ask if you have any particular STANDARDS that can survive the ideological kabuki theater that you run?
I heard leftist law professor Charles "Don't Look Like We Are Gonna Get Reparations But It Keeps Some Folks Unified" Ogletree sell the radio audience on the benefit of LIBERAL JURISTS.
I ask YOU Filled Negro, as you now live in a city that is now suffering from the effects of "Justice Thurgood Marshal Justice" where the assaults of CRIMINAL DEFENDANTS upon the community don't get much attention UNTIL they get VICTIMIZED by the System - do our urban centers need more LEFTIST judges or is there a need for a reestablishment of RESPECT for civics and for order?
FN,
Ann Claire Williams works for me..
Victoria Roberts here in Detroit is a Black District Judge..
Kagan is not the best choice on a number of levels even using your limited standard..
But sine he is your boy you need to make better excuses or perhaps your have reasons to support a white jewish woman with no judical skills over Black jurists??
Do tell my brother..Please do tell
He is not my boy, Trasher, he is A-merry-ca's boy,now.
No preference when it comes to jurists. I win my cases in front of Black & Jewish judges, so it's all good.
BTW,we have quite a few black judges here in Philly. In fact, the branch I practice in has more Black judges than Jewish ones.
So I am not sure where you are going with this one. But good luck getting there.
thrasher: "But since he is your boy you need to make better excuses or perhaps your have reasons to support a white jewish woman with no judical skills over Black jurists??"
Why is the nominee's race, religion and gender paramount? Shouldn't we all want the most qualified people on the bench?
FN using your 'deflective and dodge' logic according to you just because Kagan does not have a paper trial we must vet her on other metrics like how about her hiring record at Harvard Law School where Black professors under her tenure suffered a jim crow era experience....No FN using your logic please tell me how you could validate this empty skirt or pants???
Sorry Destructive Wingnut, I missed your comments.
But without even reading it let me repeat what you said: Street pirates bad, conservatives good.
Trasher, Williams seems impressive, but maybe this is why your boy didn't consider her:
"In an article in the Chicago Tribune on December 11, 1999, Judge Williams declined to say whether she is a Republican or a Democrat, instead calling herself politically independent. "I've written on thousands of cases across the board, and I think it would be hard to type me,"
Just a thought.
FN I am coming right at you since you defined your standards in here..
I have a problem with a Black lawyer defending a white lawyer at the expense of Black jurists..
In the pass I have posted in here without any apology how Blacks from the west indies reflect and invoke a different mindset when it comes to white racism and Black reactions to it here in America on this soil..Today I have had a number of conservations with my Black folks are the islands who sound like you..Why??
anon,
why do you assume Black folks donot have these assets??
FN,
Obama is your boy the Black offpsring of a Black immigrant..
With regard to Williams I imagine whe was not jewish enough nor white of course perhaps being ajudge got in the way as well..lol,lol,lol
Just a brother off the Block here in the D..coming right at ya my brother..lol,lol,lol
FN,
BTW grandfather is a Black indian from Venezula for the record..
Thrasher said...
FN,
"BTW grandfather is a Black indian from Venezula for the record.."
What record is that? Most meaningless fact of the decade? I don't care if your uncle is the purple midget of Cairo, the supreme court should be no place for racial quotas.
Trasher, sorry, I can't help you with your Windies friends, I only speak for me.
But honestly, I fail to see your point. In other words, I have explained to you that ideology trumps skin color and religion when it comes to the court with me for obvious reasons. (See Clarence Thomas) Sorry, that's just a reality. I am not down with symbolism that ends up hurting more than it helps. What if I told you that there were Af. American judges out here that we don't want to go before on certain types of cases because they are very pro police. On the other hand, there are white judges who, when I see their names on the list, I believe my client will get a fairer shake. That's the reality of practicing out here in the real world. It's nice to say that we have a Af. American Judges or Presidents or whatever, but at the end of the day, it's what happens in the real world that counts. It is your logic that is flawed, because you bash Obama yet advocate for more blacks in positions of power for symbolism sake. And it has nothing to do with qualifications, I am sure that conservatives believe that Clarence Thomas is very qualified.
But again, try placing your focus on a real Obama defender and ask them about the vetting process and why his choices were so limited to begin with. As is the case with your Windies friends, I can't help you with that one.
And no problem with you coming at me Trasher. I am used to it, you know that. So it's all good between us.
Brothers from the block come at me all day long.:)
I'm no Obama hater, Mr. Field, but I'm a realist and I don't think we (African Americans) will be seeing any more love from Mr. Obama.
I had hoped he would choose a Black woman (Kamala Harris) for his nominee since African American women were his most loyal voting block, percentage wise, but as usual we are being taken for granted.
Anyway, since Mr. Obama has forsaken us maybe we will forsake him in 2012.
FN,
You doth protest to much for a white girl who at end of the day practiced jim crow era type hiring practices..I do however agree with your premise about your daily encounters with judges etc..
No Race trumps everything in this nation even ideology your notion that a Black selection is bullshit I could make the same argument about Obama selecting a white jewish candidate that was full of symbolism all day long..
At end of the day Kagan is not the best choice on a number of levels and layers..Yes you are quite correct about the windy city spoils system here at work but Obama does not have to accept would they offer up..
For me it just confirms Obama is surrounded by white and jewish males who have more clout than his Black influences and to be candid that pisses me off..
I always enjoy your flow coming and going..
There is no longer advise and consent. Just who is going to get through the confirmation process.
ANON,
What quotas? You mean only white males need appy type of quotas?
White folks invented preferences, quotas, set asides, race card, etc..
Even the construct of "merit' is questionable when white folks invoke it..
So please spare me the twisted MLK dogma folks like you have no ideal about equality and fairness ..
I do ..
Thrasher:
"So please spare me the twisted MLK dogma folks like you have no ideal about equality and fairness ..
I do .."
But your "ideal" is an ugly and twisted thing.
Val said...
"Anyway, since Mr. Obama has forsaken us maybe we will forsake him in 2012."
No way. He knows it, and you know it.
jesus christ, why is this a discussion of her race?
Apparently you countrybama negroes aren't aware that Sotomayor is a person of color.
It's dumbass negroes like trasher we can thank for clarence thomas. Blacks were overwhelmingly opposed to thomas based on his sorry record in the Office of Civil Rights. But then the white boys in the senate went after thomas and colored people circled the wagons and polls showed a jump in support for thomas from blacks. The rest is history. Too bad because bush almost canned thomas' nomination but colored trasher style uncle toms saved bush's face and thomas' ass.
Trasher, go eat your black food and stfu.
@Anonymous 10:07:
"I don't care if your uncle is the purple midget of Cairo, the supreme court should be no place for racial quotas." LOLOLOLOL! That was a GOOD one! I hear ya!
And, Mr. Field---I'm with you on this all the way, too. I think we should all take a deep-azz breath and wait and see how this woman rules on stuff. That's all we can do anyway. But, I guess it's fun to insult each other while we're waiting. Funny, too! LOL!
SueCitySue
Trasher- There are two people of color on the Supreme Court so calm down. You are upset the Jews are overrepresented in the Supreme Court? I will care when you start complaining about blacks being overrepresented in the NBA, NFL, and college basketball/football teams. It seems these groups don't accuarately reflect the racial breakdown of this country. No gripes about that, right?
Funny that black guys like Trasher don't notice this. They also go bonkers when people notice racial disparities when it comes to car jackers, old lady muggers, looters, etc.
Did anon really try to make a comparison to a SC nominee with basketball players and car jackers...?
Now that's a stretch :)
Peace.
~agape2010~
All people bring the experiences of their life to the job...period.
Why is it important to make this discussion about race, gender and religious affiliation? Because those are the experiences that Kagan will bring with her.
I don't care who she clerked for..she does not have the same experiences in life that are common amongst black women. Obama should have at least tried to push a competent black woman through (and they are out there).
It is past the time that a black woman should be holding a seat on the SC for the betterment of all people. A black woman would have brought her experiences to the Court just as Kagan will.
Obama's move was purely political as all appointments are (for the Court and off the Court)...
IMHO, Obama nominated her because the Senate will approve her without a lot of hoopla. Obama owes favors (as all politicians do) and this move can wipe his slate clean for the rest of his term.
However, if there was no balance before there is really no balance now. We may be seeing some rulings that come under a "group think" mentality once she dons the robe (and she will) since the Court will all be Harvard and Yale with one exception.
However, we have had worse and lived with it.
Peace.
~agape2010~
@ Thrasher:
Hey :)
Now-you said this:
"Obama's selection is yet another path away from a Black Agenda which is of course an American Agenda."
Obama cannot have an overt black agenda for one reason...because he is black. If you did not catch Louis Farrakahn on TV1 with Kathy Hughes last Sunday you missed a very telling explanation as to what Obama is doing with his presidency with respect to a black agenda.
And...
Obama is doing what really counts toward pressing the agenda through for blacks. Follow the money.
I have never seen a time in this country since the Nixon Administration where actual funds (not programs) were accessible for blacks and minority women.
Due to this administration I have been able to access more government money for my clients than I have in many years. You have to follow the money.
And...
I agree with most of what you said...but politics still makes strange bedfellows. And if you're going to play the game...play the game the way the game is supposed to be played.
Peace.
~agape2010~
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-problem-with-elana-ka_b_570639.html
"Anyway, since Mr. Obama has forsaken us maybe we will forsake him in 2012."
Oh Ohhh. :(
"IMHO, Obama nominated her because the Senate will approve her without a lot of hoopla. Obama owes favors (as all politicians do) and this move can wipe his slate clean for the rest of his term. "
agape...that's a great point.
And I love what you said about $ and politics as well.
I swear these spammers. They will try to get an ad. in anyway that they can on a brotha. Let me start deleting.
thanks, shady. i posted another link on the thread from sunday,
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/08/kagan
[quote] In other words, I have explained to you that ideology trumps skin color and religion when it comes to the court with me for obvious reasons. (See Clarence Thomas)[/quote]
Thrasher:
Let's update your hypotehtical to the NEEDS of the Black community to-damned-day.
What if there was a PROGRESSIVE judge in CHICAGO. She had a track record of being hard on the police and DA and applying "Justice Thurgood Marshall Justice" upon DEFENDANTS - going overboard to find out how criminal defendants were VICTIMIZED by the system. She looked for any technicality by which these criminal defendants who are guilty of various ASSAULTS UPON THE COMMUNITY could be released BACK INTO the community.
In the context of present day CHICAGO........is this the type of jurist that is needed to KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE?
For many of you - you are stuck in a time warp. Your bell bottoms are hanging in your closet. Your "Afro-pick" in your top drawer. You are fighting YESTERDAY'S BATTLES while the MODERN DAY assailant which is causing the same results from YESTERDAY - is a new adversary.
IF I found you a judge that released a KLANSMAN back upon the streets to CONTINUE HIS ASSAULT upon the Black community - would YOU be applauding the judge's commitment to DUE PROCESS?
OR would you look at the THREAT?
HEY FILLED NEGRO:
I have "Democracy Now" playing in the background as I type this.
Despite the fact that ALL OF THEM are arguing for a MORE LEFTIST judge than Kagen I have to respect blogger Art Greenwald of Salon.
He is holding his FELLOW LEFTIST to DEFEND her. He does not like her because she has no paper trail.
He is going back and asking those who are fawning over her to JUSTIFY their stance.
He said that evil, racist Conservatives put up Alito and Roberts and DEFENDED their candidates. Obama put up someone with a blank sheet of paper and HOPES that she remains left.
He is asking them to show her position on "Citizens United" (corporate campaign) or the "Bush Cheney Detention policies" and other points.
He dismisses her time as Solicitor General - these are not HER position but instead her job to defend the Administration's position.
While I disagree with Art Greenwald - I respect him HOLDING HIS LEFTIST CHEERLEADING FRIENDS TO A HIGHER STANDARD OF LEFTIST INTEGRITY!!!!!
higher standard than what?
can you say "democrat" vs. "leftist?"
THRASHER
you should work more on the vocabulary my friend.It's MUSLIM and THEIR;not moslem and thier.
with all due respect to you but us black folks due to religion have also been biased against gays and lesbians and we voted FOR Prop 8!
a Muslim Supreme Court Judge? really!
On C-Span;a caller said that the Supreme Court should ONLY have white males!
I don't have a problem with Muslims but due to their recent actions( underwear wannabe bomber; Texas Army base shooter; wannabe New York bomber);they have NO and I mean ZERO place on the Supreme Court and that would be not only political suicide and it would get Obama killed!
I don't have a problem with an Asian SCJ but THRASHER; President Obama knows Kagan very well and so does Biden and I faith in their choice over your opinion any day;any damn time!
I don't have a preference quite honestly;folks on the left aren't happy because she's not known enough;she's not "liberal" enough;she's not pro gay enough;she didn't hire enough minorities and women enough for some but from working for Thurgood Marshall;working for Biden;working with Obama;working for Obama;working with Summners and working with Clinton ALL point out that she is a DEMOCRAT!
Lea Ward would have turned out like another Clarence Thomas and we don't want THAT!
fn:
i wonder what thurgood would have thought about kagan's rabidly racist hiring record at harvard???
or the fact that so many other black female judges are BETTER qualified to redeem his own legacy that clarence continues to horridly disgrace???
or the fact that kagan is a legal lackey for hobama's beloved wall st banker posse???
i will never give hobama a pass on this elitist nepotism/lifetime disgrace!!!
it is one more definer of the hoax that is his bogus blackish legacy!!!
shame!!!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1d65d77860f.html
thrasher:
ditto
white gays like kagan are MORE reacist than white hets!
she is closeted and typically even more ruthless than out gay racists
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/on-racist-white-gays-white-lies-black-slander.html
i despise kagan because she is a racist shrew who adores bankers as much as hobama does
i despise clarence because he is more ruthless racist and evil than scalia per scalia himself!!!
sotomayer is also a corp lackey as all in hobama's corp green posse...wake up!!!
corps rule DC and hobama is making sure they rule the ct too!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/kudos-to-supreme-court-justice-sonia-sotomayor.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/open-letter-to-clarence-thomas-a-supreme-uncle-tom.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de3d6131860d.html
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nearly every black person alive hated and libeled malcolm x once...just as ossie davis called them out in his eulogy at malcolm's funeral....
please quote the source for thurgood dissing mx like MOST did when he lived...they feared him and refuse to accept the personal revolutions that cost him his life!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/remember-malcolm-x.html
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/071.html
"Many will ask what Harlem finds to honor in this stormy, controversial and bold young captain—and we will smile. Many will say turn away—away from this man; for he is not a man but a demon, a monster, a subverter and an enemy of the black man—and we will smile. They will say that he is of hate—a fanatic, a racist—who can only bring evil to the cause for which you struggle! And we will answer and say to them:
Did you ever talk to Brother Malcolm? Did you ever touch him or have him smile at you? Did you ever really listen to him? Did he ever do a mean thing? Was he ever himself associated with violence or any public disturbance? For if you did, you would know him. And if you knew him, you would know why we must honor him: Malcolm was our manhood, our living, black manhood!"
even most racist repubs despise rush limbaugh
rush and clarence are best pals like blood bros
that alone proves he is no "black on the ct"!!!!
If Obama wanted a Supreme Court nominee who is white, Jewish and female, he should have chosen Judge Judy. At least she is well known and has an easily examined record.
michelle obama is hobama's beard wife...she is powerless in my life and powerless compared to any supreme ct justice!!!
"Does Kagan Still View Constitution 'As Originally Drafted And Conceived' As 'Defective'?......"
I think you'd have a harder time justifying the belief that constitution as originally drafted as NOT defective. I mean a bunch of slave owners writing about the merits of freedom sets off the bullshit detector straight away, but they also wrote that all men are created equal (as long as they are white, middle aged and own property)and wrote about how awesome democracy is while designing the electoral system with the explicit purpose of limiting democracy. I'm surprised people don't burst out laughing whenever that peice of shit document is mentioned.
ditto to all thrasher!!!
most blacks have no love for gays like kagan...especially white racist ones
she is beloved for her banking ties!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/prop-8-was-blacked-out-by-h8.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/savage-sanctuaries---their-own-receive-them-not.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/donnie-mcclurkin-homohating-homosexual-hypochristian.html
http://www.womanvision.org/all-gods-children.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/unholy-ugliness-in-uganda-american-racists-pimp-homohating-africans.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/homohatred-in-reggae-music-where-is-the-one-love.html
Agape is right - the Kagan pick is pure politics - Obama doesn't need a Senate catfight this close to the midterms. If we picked the kind of hardcore, flame throwing left wing circuit court judge that Greenwald (and suspect lefty Bloggers like AB) would want - it would another straw man for the GOP to run on this fall. Why put up a mau-mau leftist jurist who's sure to get swift-boated? That's politics -- its a grown man's sports.
Now here are two off topics things. AB, welcome back, you're as, well, you as ever. I hope all is well with your family. CF, you listen to DN! and you're little right wing head didn't explode? Braver man than most.
For the uninitiated Democracy Now! is the Pacifica radio daily news journal, and the big daddy of left wing news broadcast. These guys make Maddow and Jon Stewart look like right wingers. Its the Sean Hannity of liberal public radio news -- except the hosts, Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez are as dull as watching paint dry.
They're also really shady in their dealings with their parent network,
Pacifica -- but that's another story.
Anyway, Happy belated Mother's Day to all and have a great morning.
lac:
"suspect"? = honest and consistent?
unlike you???
i suspect that you rabid hobama nazis are desperate for some new slurs as the hoax you adore hates on you blind black masochistic fools more openly each day!!!!!!!!
lac:
i will always be well
even after your god hobama is exposed and deposed!
do you "suspect" anything intelligent about "destroyt" mi/national black depression/hobama's nazi speech at hampton ETC...???
hobama should pick kwame kilpatrick as his amoral bold clone vp for 2012!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eedee45860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0137a57ebca9860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bd30367860e.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de1367d7860d.html
"the Kagan pick is pure politics"
What SCOTUS pick isn't?
Sotomayor wasn't a nod to the Hispanic community?
Roberts and Alito weren't to passive the rightwingers and constructionalists?
I applaud the pick and Kagan will be confirmed.
My premise remains the same
"
The recent omission of a diverse choice for the supreme court vacancy with the retirement of Justice Stevens by Obama is troubling on so many levels. Apparently unless you are white, jewish, christian and a graduate of an ivy league law school it is best not to apply for this job. Those who are still cheerleaders for Obama have a lot of explaining to do. Asian and Arab americans as well buddhists, muslims and atheists need not apply .
uts & lac:
"bruhs" like you always applaud those who betray black women
why should black female judges evoke any sudden epiphanies within the likes of you two?????
fn:
i loved lena and will miss her!
i wonder what a racial warrior like her would think about hobama betraying black female judges so brazenly TWICE!!!???
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eede3cb860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bd30b63860e.html?_c=feed-atom
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eede8cc860b.html?_c=feed-atom
Kagan adds nothing to the political leverage for Obama..A selection which would have embraced the asian and middle east electorate makes more sense..Our nation's economic foe is China and the middle east is always in play...
Kagan brings nothing but the same equation a white woman that is not a muslim nor a buddhist nor an atheist..
Obama's posturing yet again on the agenda's of Black folks and other people of color
Cleary being a non-white person that is a christian or jewish does not rank or have value in the white house political metrics..
[quote]Lea Ward would have turned out like another Clarence Thomas and we don't want THAT![/quote]
Fredy:
The Streets of CHICAGO, Philly, Baltimore, Trenton and Atlanta are suffering NOT FROM "Justice Clarence Thomas Justice" but instead from the judicial theories of Marshall and Brennan.
Justice Clarence Thomas has the AUDACITY to believe that in 2010 BLACK PEOPLE ARE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW just as everyone else. A person like YOU likes to transact upon our INFERIORITY.
On these streets today the judicial and governance theory which argues that the IMPOVERISHED CRIMINAL does so because of misallocation of resources is quite SILENT about the damage done to the community by him. (See here: http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2010/05/this-80-year-old-black-woman-should.html)
However when this same CRIMINAL DEFENDANT has his RIGHTS violated by the Judicial System THIS IS WHEN they kick into action.
How long can you remain BLIND to the facts as you remain bound to your flawed ideology?
More Black people have been KILLED in the past 20 years by the prevailing theories that govern our streets than have suffered CAPITAL PUNISHMENT at the hands of Clarence Thomas.
WE CAN'T AFFORD ANY MORE JUDGES like the ones that render the final verdict upon our streets TO-DAMNED-DAY.
Thrasher
Obama just finished getting a HISPANIC WOMAN confirmed.
C'mon man.
You know damn well that if Obama nominated a liberal black or a Muslim of any political stripe in today's climate you would have a confirmation war that would make Bork's nomination process look like a Promise Keeper's gathering.
Obama does not need that right now nor can he afford it while trying to turn this economy around before the mid term elections.
Some people on the left are starting to act like the friggin tea partiers.
We gotta be smart or we'll have another rightwinger in the White House in 2012.
Do you want that?
"More Black people have been KILLED in the past 20 years by the prevailing theories that govern our streets than have suffered CAPITAL PUNISHMENT at the hands of Clarence Thomas."
This is some real stupid shit.
I mean really.
LAC - Its called "Get To Know Your Oppressor and how he thinks".
Alicia Banks said:
[quote]rush and clarence are best pals like blood bros
that alone proves he is no "black on the ct"!!!![/quote]
Alicia YOU make a list of RACIST rulings that Brother Justice Clarence Thomas has made.
In turn I WILL MAKE A LIST TWICE AS LONG in which the Racist White Snarling Fox Leftists on the court have ASSUMED BLACK INFERIORITY in their rulings. Are THESE NOT RACIST AS WELL?
I bet that most of what you find against Thomas will have to do with:
* His refusal to allow a TECHNICALITY brought forth by a Barry Sheck type who practices "Leftist INJUSTICE" as they work to spring criminals from jail BUT DON'T GIVE A DAMN about finding the REAL KILLER. Instead of contesting the man's GUILT they go off into the question "did the DA dismiss too many Black jurors". This is the sign of a snake who doesn't give a damn about the SCENE OF THE CRIME.
* His refusal to sanction GOVERNMENT BASED RACISM as it is accepted as "Good Discrimination". Once again - the Black is always assumed to be the INFERIOR when these type of transactions take place. The REAL scrutiny needs to be placed upon the INSTITUTIONS that have been won over via the POLITICAL STRUGGLE but which still FAIL to educate our children. In as much as some leftists want to disassemble the authority in side of the schools - they are not inclined to stand beside the "baby" that was birthed after they WIN control over the environment within.
I will take 9 Clarence Thomas' over 9 Ruth Badger Ginsbergs ANY DAY. At least we will have a stronger, more organically focused Black community as a result.
With 9 Ginsbergs we would get a WELFARE STATE with upon unable to forage after decades of indoctrination. Ginsberg has been far more destructive to the Black CONSCIOUSNESS than ANYTHING you can legitimately place upon Thomas.
uts:
you are more repulsive than al sharpton!!!
what prez could be more "right wing" that the war mongering LEGENDARILY ELITIST racially blind money green hobama??????
he has not done a leftist thing and sotomayer is no che guvera
only fools judge anyone by their race...look at their actions!!!!
there is NOTHING black or leftist about hobama!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bcdcff2860e.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/obama-drama-the-poor-are-getting-poorer-the-middle-class-becomes-the-new-poor.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bcb2eb2860e.html
I found it revealing how those who support Kagan want Black folks and other non-whites to ignore her shortcomings from her jim crow era hiring practices at Harvard to her support of a ban on limiting abortion rights for woman..
It is revealing how Obama as usual wants Black folks to remain silent for his agenda but when we push the Black agenda Obama goes into his happy negro mode or selects a Black venue to demonize Black fathers or Black culture of course
I understand his lack of blackness at the root given his mama was a white woman and his daddy was not a home grown Black man...The fruit of the root is always present in the real world
[quote]This is some real stupid shit.[/quote]
When I finish posting the last episode of "Gangland" in which Snoop Dogg narrates about life on the streets - I will have you take a look. This video and the video from Trenton NJ prove my point more than mere words ever will.
Did you decide if you were going to ask those two males standing on "Pennsylvania Ave" in Baltimore "What have YOU done to help the Black community?"?
uts:
why do u love sotomayer so????
hobama and his entire posse are corp robots
he sold his soul long ago
wake up!!!!
District Attorney, lawyer for imperialist international corporations
After graduating from Yale, Sotomayor worked as a District Attorney in Manhattan, New York, serving the state in prosecuting African and oppressed people in New York. She followed this up as a corporate lawyer serving the interests of global companies against workers and oppressed people.
Having proven herself loyal to companies by defending them against liability claims, it is not surprising then that Republican President George HW Bush would choose her to serve in Southern Manhattan’s Federal District Court. Her 1998 appointment to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals by U.S. President William Clinton, was confirmed in a largely Republican Senate in a 67 to 29 vote!
Supports warrantless searches and “War on Terror”
Perhaps most significantly, in this role she actively embraced Bush’s domestic “War on Terror” ruling in favor of the searches of New York ferry passenger without warrants. Currently, Sotomayor’s appointment is hailed in the Israeli press for her strong and continuing support for Israel, her visits to that country, and her support of Zionist Jewish organizations in the United States.
http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=judge-sonia-sotomayor-no-change-for-african-latino-and-arab-peoples
Yeah Steve I want a Black agenda and I could give less than a fuck about the reaction to it..You amaze me sometimes with this we better fear angry white folks..
Newsflash Steve: Angry white folks nothing are not a NEWSFLASH
BTW a Hispanic woman is not a Black woman..Obama's selection of her does not mean that he should stop there..The SC already has a white jewish justice ..What about an Asian, Native American, Arab-American???
BTW I have no problem with Black folks taking over the TEA PARTY I support the premise that WE need to be everywhere are interests are in play..
"Did you decide if you were going to ask those two males standing on "Pennsylvania Ave" in Baltimore "What have YOU done to help the Black community?"?"
Okay let me shut this fool right now.
Clarence Thomas has been on the Supreme Court for 19 years now.
Name one ruling of his that has benefited the lives of African-Americans.
ditto thrasher!
i will NEVER let hobama play my race only when he needs votes
or bashes black pathologies...
and i will NEVER give him ANY black pass to betray the black poor/black female judges...HOBAMA GETS NO PASSES FROM ME!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de239101860c.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de381ebe860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/the-perils-of-prophecy-obama-unmasked.html
UTS, I think the difference between us and many on the blogging left is that we've lived the life of rising Black professionals -- ie 'the only one in our department', so we know how to pick and choose a battle. Many lefties don't live in the 'real world' of business and politics -- where deals have be made and you have to work with what you've got. Obama's got a giant oil spill in the Gulf, flooding in Nashville, a myriad of banking issues and stable but still a horrid economy. And the GOP old guard are terrified of the Tea Party loons taking over the nominating process.
Why pick someone like say, Elizabeth Warren, who just give the likes of McCain and McConnell a chance for neo-con political theater. The last thing Obama needs for the Republicans and timid DLC types to roadblock the nomination until July then drag it out until late August.
Being a systems engineer and project manager, I've learned that not every fight is worth fighting. Clients will always be incompetent jerks who think they know computer systems better than guys with masters degrees in electrical engineering and networking certifications (especially if they have an MD, PhD or JD behind their names), bosses will always throw on more work than you think you can handle effectively and you'll always a have one or two pricks in the office. I learned the hard way to just let 70% of things slide -- its not worth my peace of mind.
AB, I'll make the point by not responding to your tirades and insults. Its not worth the few minutes of my coffee break to fight you. If you're doing OK after your family issues as of late, then you're alright with me.
"Yeah Steve I want a Black agenda and I could give less than a fuck about the reaction to it..You amaze me sometimes with this we better fear angry white folks."
That's not what I said.
I said we have to be realistic about what can actually get done.
Talking shit while carrying a popgun is just that.
Why must the Black electorate always have to accept the nonsense of liberals ?
Black folks and our needs have nothing to do with liberal or conservative agenda's..
This is basic reality 101
LAC
"UTS, I think the difference between us and many on the blogging left is that we've lived the life of rising Black professionals -- ie 'the only one in our department', so we know how to pick and choose a battle."
EXACTLY.
"Black folks and our needs have nothing to do with liberal or conservative agenda's.."
Oh you gotta be kidding!!!!
Bush sicced his Justice Department on universities that practiced Affirmative Action!!!!
Meanwhile packing the EEOC with rightwing ideologues who didn't even believe in the agency's right to exist.
lac:
spare me your martyr complexes
you ALWAYS insult me first
u and uts are peasants to hobama and to me!
and i really start to vomit when lost knee grows like you and uts start bragging about being the only ones with money/prestige...when you start to embrace your uncle tom tokenisms and black sambo delusions of grandeur as badges of honor...shame!!!!
you elitist fools will sonn be broke too...that may be the only think i have to say good about hobama and his poverty as a global weapon of war
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/john-mcwhorter-is-a-rabid-black-fool-on-the-loss-of-his-mind.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de0473ef860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123dddbd633860b.html?_c=feed-atom
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/unnatural-disasters-haiti-katrina.html
"Thrasher said...
I found it revealing how those who support Kagan want Black folks and other non-whites to ignore her shortcomings from her jim crow era hiring practices at Harvard to her support of a ban on limiting abortion rights for woman..
It is revealing how Obama as usual wants Black folks to remain silent for his agenda but when we push the Black agenda Obama goes into his happy negro mode or selects a Black venue to demonize Black fathers or Black culture of course
I understand his lack of blackness at the root given his mama was a white woman and his daddy was not a home grown Black man...The fruit of the root is always present in the real world"
the fact that obama is biracial has nothing to do with any of this, and there are plenty of non-non-whites who are against this pick and are being asked to "ignore her shortcomings."
thrasher:
ditto!
and who knows which half of hobama is the demon?
the elitist nigger clone of uts and lac?
or the white clone of his cousins gwb and dick c?
or both???
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/11/us/politics/11nominees.html?hp
Kagan Nomination Leaves Some Longing on the Left
By PETER BAKER
WASHINGTON — The selection of Solicitor General Elena Kagan to be the nation’s 112th justice extends a quarter-century pattern in which Republican presidents generally install strong conservatives on the Supreme Court while Democratic presidents pick candidates who often disappoint their liberal base.
Ms. Kagan is certainly too liberal for conservatives, who quickly criticized her nomination on Monday as a radical threat. But much like every other Democratic nominee since the 1960s, she does not fit the profile sought by the left, which hungers for a full-throated counterweight to the court’s conservative leader, Justice Antonin Scalia.
In many ways, this reflects how much the nation’s long war over the judiciary has evolved since Ms. Kagan was a child. While the American left back then used the Supreme Court to promote social change in areas like religion, race and abortion, today it looks at it more as a backstop to defend those rulings. The right, on the other hand, remains aggrieved and has waged an energetic campaign to make the court an agent of change reversing some of those holdings.
Along the way, conservatives have largely succeeded in framing the debate, putting liberals on the defensive. Sonia Sotomayor echoed conservatives in her Supreme Court confirmation hearings last year by rejecting the idea of a “living” Constitution that evolves, and even President Obama recently said the court had gone too far in the past. While conservatives have played a powerful role in influencing Republican nominations, liberals have not been as potent in Democratic selections.
In that vein, then, no Democratic nominee since Thurgood Marshall in 1967 has been the sort of outspoken liberal champion that the left craves, while Justice Scalia has been joined by three other solid conservatives in Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. By all accounts, Mr. Obama did not even consider the candidates favored most by the left, like Harold Hongju Koh, his State Department legal adviser, or Pamela S. Karlan, a Stanford Law School professor.
“Why do the conservatives always get the conservatives, but we don’t get to get the liberals?” Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa, asked the Web site Politico recently, voicing the frustration of the left when Ms. Kagan was considered a front-runner but was not yet Mr. Obama’s selection. “What the hell is that all about?”
AB and thrasher--who would you have picked?
if you thought they wouldn't be confirmed and didn't care?
if you did care?
Steve,
Kissin white liberals ass while drinkin gin and juice is a joke as well..
Why must Black folks always have to calibrate our reality for others?? Why do folks like you always feel the need to put a governor on our drive?
Please illustrate for me when any group in this nation other than Black folks have taken a bullet for the cause? Please Steve show me an example where a white jewish person, an asian, an arab american rejected a public office and instead recommended that a Black person should get it??? Please show me how these folks really care about niggers like me and my tribe!!!
Where were whites, jews, asians, hispanics, arabs, during the holocuast we had to survive on this soil...When did these folks take a bullet for us or step up and get fucked by a white slave owner or defended a black father when white cops kicked his son's ass after a traffic stop?
Truth is in this nation Black folks created human rights and civil rights and all of these folks rode on our tailcoats and shoulders..
Kagan is not worthy of getting the benefits of our struggle she could not even hire Black folks with out playing the jim crow card and you dare to now seek Black folks to fear the wrath of angry white folks..Where the fuck have you been?????
lac:
"my family issues" = indelible warrior blood for generations
isadore lives in me
he was far richer than you & uts
and he would despise hobama
it is why i will always be well
and thanks for your feigned enpathy
maria,
I posted my choices earlier on this site.Ann Claire Williams & Victoria Roberts to superior choices both presiding judges with experience Kagan does not have!!!
this is who thurgood would have chosen
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/12/leah-ward-sears-supreme-c_n_534169.html
maria:
i would have picked l w sears
she is moderate
and she may even have talked some sense into her "friend" clarence
see more above and below:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/package/supremecourt/2010candidates/leah-ward-sears.html
http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2010/04/report-fmr-ga-chief-justice-leah-ward-sears-on-scotus-short-list-strong-record-on-lgbt-rights.html
Field,
As it relates to Obama nominating Kagan I'm not really too enthusiastic about his choice especially considering her hiring record at Harvard Law school.
Check out this link from Duke Law Professor Guy-Uriel Charles (a Brother) over at "Colored Demos" Blog entitled: Why Elena Kagan's Hiring at Harvard matters.
http://coloreddemos.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-elena-kagans-hiring-at-harvard.html
However....
I must say I'm glad Pres. Obama he did NOT select another African-American.
Why?
Please tell me what the H_ll has Clarence Thomas done for his race?
I mean really!
While I do admit Justice Thurgood Marshall was extremely effective during his tenure on the bench, this could be more attributed to a different time in American History.
A time when Black Leaders were ALIVE and ACTIVE.
A time when Black Leaders REALLY cared about helping to pull up their Brothers & Sisters, (education, jobs, etc.,) because there is STRENGTH in numbers.
A time when Black Leaders were NOT SELFISH, WILLIE LYNCH MINDED, SELL-OUTS!
In today's society....
When most pseudo Black "Leaders" rise up they totally forget about the Black Voters who put them where they arrived.
They don't a D_mn thing to help eliminate Racism in Education, Employment, Housing, Student Aid, Business Opportunities unless.....
You run in their little circles (Fraternities, Sororities, etc.,).
Am I jealous or bitter?
No but I'm deeply concerned because I see our Youth struggling with NO one to help them find their way.
(Rev. Al Sharpton can't do it by himself.)
Case in point I cannot tell you the number of Black College graduates (in North Carolina) I've come across who couldn't find jobs, much less a good job.
I'm speaking of graduates with high GPA's.
They had to either settle for low paying jobs in North Carolina Call Centers or relocate to a different state.
This is still going on today.
What are North Carolina's Black "Leaders" doing about it?
NOTHING!
Because they are SCARED and ONLY care about themselves or friends.
Thus I don't care if another Black Attorney (no offense) or Judge is EVER nominated to sit in front of a Senate Judiciary Committee Confirmation Hearing.
Its better for a White, Hispanic or Asian Judge to rule effectively on my behalf, than a Black SCARED-A_ S Justice sitting on the bench for symbolic purposes.
America's Black Community needs to wake up!
In case they haven't noticed the struggle is far from over.
The day of appointing, electing and nominating Blacks for representative, symbolic purposes are over!
We need Blacks who are actually going to DO SOMETHING.
Blacks who are NOT afraid of being labeled "Radical".
Radical isn't equivalent to Militant but it most certainly isn't equivalent to LAME SITTING DUCK either.
I hope Elena Kagan is confirmed quickly.
Thrasher
"Kagan is not worthy of getting the benefits of our struggle she could not even hire Black folks with out playing the jim crow card and you dare to now seek Black folks to fear the wrath of angry white folks..Where the fuck have you been?????"
Brother, I understand your anger and frustration but the fact remains we are still only 12% of the population, less than that of the electorate, 1% of the Senate and 10% of the Congress.
We can't do jack without white liberal allies because white conservatives are going to fight us every step of the way.
I believe that you know this already.
Sometimes it just feels good to vent, right?
uts:
what has one white liberal/hobama
done since he took office????
laurel:
amen!
thurgood was very ill when he left the ct...and he nearly visibly died when clarence was chosen...and he gave that infamous line:
"look at his record!...we must learn to tell the dif between chicken salad and chicken shit"
shame we have not learned that lesson to date!!!!
notice how the neocons have been so silent about clarence t for so long...to speak of him now would be to admit we were TOO kind as we hated him...he has been worse than we predicted!
there will be MUCH silence on hobama someday too...and many hobama nazis are clamming up already!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/open-letter-to-clarence-thomas-a-supreme-uncle-tom.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1d65d77860f.html
http://www.amazon.com/Supreme-Discomfort-Divided-Clarence-Thomas/dp/0767916360/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273590954&sr=1-3
Jeez, these comments are all over the place today. Anyway, Field, you seem to not be counting Sonia Sotomayor as a POC. Any particular reason for that? Or did you just forget about her
Steve,
Sorry but I am not feeling your cum ba ya posturing never have never will..
You can kiss the rings of white liberals 24/7 I don't have to nor do I accept your premise that Black folks are compelled to partner with white liberals to get what we want...
You need to evolve Steve Black folks no longer affirm your paradigm that we need to be good negroes and coloreds so not to offend those caring white liberals is ole so tired and obsolete..
Political Mercenaries like me matter now..lol,lol,lol
BTW my body of work does not involve venting..lol,lol,lol
You know, I didn't see any petitions or recommendations to contact the President about specific choices on the nomination. So those who are outraged, you have had several weeks to try to influence Obama's choice.
The business analogy I have, is like the person who always bemoans the fact they haven't gotten a raise, but never ask for one during their review.
Thanks Alicia:)
Since your from Chi-town (home of psuedo Black "Leaders"), you clearly know what I wrote is sooooo true.
We're going to have to meet up for lunch one day when I'm in the area.
Have a Blessed day
What Obama has done so far
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D433x266988&ei=NHbpS833EIKC8gaHwpnlDg&sa=X&oi=forum_cluster&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CB0QrAIoADAA&usg=AFQjCNHaUxGEpNJNQyCQC6CLB8679--5_Q
laurel:
ditto!
i would be honored!:
ambwww@yahoo.com
and sunday was a day of mourning in chi for so many moms who are emduring all u posted!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0137a57eb25d860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/chi-town-charades---on-warren-g-derrion-albert-and-obama-2.html?locale=en_US
god bless u too and us all sista!
It is foolish for Black folks to get in line and affirm Kagan there is no value or basis for us to embrace this choice..
It makes more sense for the Black electorate to not be viewed as a doormat for the Obama white house
Kagan's politics do not mirror or reflect Black issues on any level..Kagan's hiring practices reflect her white demeanor, her position of abortion rights is a slapp in the face to Black woman..
Kagan is an ordinary, forgettable, white lawyer no more no less..Kagan adds nothing to any agenda other than Obama's happy negro format of lets be nice to the jewish and white woman agenda..
uts:
that list was more of a joke than u!
a classic list of denials/delusions/myths/masks/PR
etc....shame!!!
spare me!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1d1ce65860f.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347ee8b0ab860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eea1780860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347ee8b0ab860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de358580860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/obama-drama-the-poor-are-getting-poorer-the-middle-class-becomes-the-new-poor.html
Thrasher said...
"I understand his lack of blackness at the root given his mama was a white woman and his daddy was not a home grown Black man...The fruit of the root is always present in the real world"
So you elected a fake black man and now you expect him to cater to black racists like yourself? LMFAO! Viva Kagan!
please quote the source for thurgood dissing mx like MOST did when he lived...
It's right on Thurgoodmarshall.com! There are a series of interviews, this is from one on Malcolm X:
Q: What was he saying about you?
A: Half-white Nigger. That kind of stuff. I'm about the same color he was.
----------
Q: Was it after he came back from his trip [to Mecca] and had changed his point of view and all that?
A: I don't believe he changed a goddamn thing. I believe he was a bum, hell he was a damned pimp. A convicted pimp - about as lowlife as you can get.
superb slaying of kagan & hobama here:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-10/kagan-doesnt-deserve-it/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsL6
"Grownups understand that a Supreme Court justice’s politics are by necessity a crucial factor in how he or she goes about interpreting the law, since difficult questions of legal interpretation are inherently political. Certainly conservatives understood this when they opposed the nomination of Harriet Miers: Their primary objection to her had nothing to do with whether she was “qualified” for the position, but rather with the fact that, just like Kagan, she had practically no public record. The argument for Miers came down to the claim that conservatives should simply trust George W. Bush to make these kinds of decisions. This is exactly the same argument that political progressives are now being asked to accept in regard to Kagan: that they should trust Barack Obama.
That argument is wrong both practically and as a matter of principle. Practically speaking, the Obama administration’s track record on legal issues, which includes continuing and even expanding on some of the Bush administration’s worst attacks on civil liberties, is hardly one that ought to give liberals comfort. And as a matter of principle, it’s simply wrong for citizens of a democratic republic to be treated like small children, who are supposed to accept the choices of the elites in matters such as this, on the basis of evidence-free assurances that their leaders know best.
In short, Kagan’s career represents rampant elitism–which is to say cronyism Ivy League-style–in its worst form. No one doubts she is smart, ambitious, hard-working, and well-liked by lots of influential people. In fact she’s so well-liked she’s gotten a series of jobs for which she was largely unqualified. She obtained tenure at two of America’s top universities, and became a dean at one of them, without producing anything resembling the kind of academic record normally required for such positions. (This circumstance seems particularly ironic given a dismal aspect of Harvard’s hiring practices during her term as dean. Thirty one of the school’s 32 tenure-track hires were white, and none were African American or Hispanic. Apparently no “qualified” minorities could be found). She was named Solicitor General—that is, the federal government’s top courtroom lawyer—without ever having appeared in a courtroom on behalf of a client. Now someone who has never been a judge, and, far more important, has taken almost no public positions on any issue relevant to being a judge, is on the verge of being put on the Supreme Court.
In a particularly perverse sense, this would be a fitting capstone to a remarkable career."
Like Malcolm X, I nurtured high hopes and expectations for "our" people: I honestly believed and expected that "we" black people were "better than...crackers" - even the "crackers" who occupy the Senate and base of the repugnican party. But, also, like James Baldwin once wrote about the "yoke of race/color identity", to continue to limit one's identity to race and culture is to serve "ol' massa's" main objective - perpetual enslavement of the mind and body. With that said, I think our President selected Ms. Kagan because of her credentials, and NOT her race/culture/gender identity.
When, for cryin' out loud, are we ("black-identified) people gonna ever stop waiting for someone to "do something for black people"?? Are we that sorry and weak that we can't or won't do for ourselves? Rest assured - Malcolm continues to weep and turn over in his grave.
anon
thanks!
mx DID change
that change cost him his life
he was a totally reformed man and an ANTI racist when he was killed
see more:
http://www.amazon.com/Judas-Factor-Plot-Kill-Malcolm/dp/1560250666/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273592889&sr=1-1
anon:
i am no racists
i hate uts and lac more than any white person...
i am not judging kagan by her race
i am judging her by her racism and elitism
fyi
kagan is a soulless coddled fake corp hoax clone of hobama...right down to her dl gay life!!!
ANON,
You are an intellectual coward posting as ANON please refrain from lecturing to me about anything until you get some balls to post with a real name..
Thrasher said...
"You can kiss the rings of white liberals 24/7 I don't have to nor do I accept your premise that Black folks are compelled to partner with white liberals to get what we want..."
and
"It makes more sense for the Black electorate to not be viewed as a doormat for the Obama white house"
Oh yes you do need to kiss the ring of white liberals. You have hitched your wagon and there you will stay. By selling allegiance to one party for a few pieces of silver, you have no say in anything beyond what your owner wants. What do you call an electorate that votes 95% + for one party? A DOORMAT. Obama just wiped the shit off his shoes all over it. Get used to it. The democrats know the future lies with La Raza, not you.
Thrasher said...
ANON,
"You are an intellectual coward posting as ANON please refrain from lecturing to me about anything until you get some balls to post with a real name.."
A real name like....Thrasher? What are you, retarded?
I will always have an opinion about anybody regardless of thier ethnicity, religion, nationality, gender, whatever..
I will always reject those who indict me with insults and assaults on my personhood because I dare to have an opinion..
No one is above the laws of the universe
anon:
even the reformed malcolm would despise hobama and kagan!
he remained a revolutionary warrior for the poor and he died a pauper!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de01ba14860c.html?_c=feed-atom
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/remember-malcolm-x.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/obama-drama-the-poor-are-getting-poorer-the-middle-class-becomes-the-new-poor.html
ANON,
You are an intellectual coward now get lost or get some balls you pussy..
ANON,
BOO!!!!
You Pussy coward..lol,lol,lol
ANON,
You Sissy...lol,lol,lol
Get lost you intellectual coward....lol,lol,lol
kagan proves that we who despise hobama are not lying on him!!!
he is a brazen amoral elitist!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bcb2eb2860e.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddff453a860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddde7040860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddcf254b860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/open-letter-to-tom-joyner-a-masochistic-minstrel.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/dr-cornel-west-is-my-hero-1.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eebd48c860b.html
LAC - Do you mind if I lay your argument to rest?
[quote]UTS, I think the difference between us and many on the blogging left is that we've lived the life of rising Black professionals -- ie 'the only one in our department', so we know how to pick and choose a battle.
Many lefties don't live in the 'real world' of business and politics -- where deals have be made and you have to work with what you've got. [/quote]
The FLAW in your argument is that the BLACK ESTABLISHMENT that you protect, which is a subset of the Progressive-Establishment CONTROLS the lower rungs of the hierarchy of institutions that FEED Black candidates to the Job Interview.
Instead of looking at OBAMA and living vicariously through him and doing as the video from "The Boondocks" shows YOU NEED TO:
* Manage the Democrats that run the school systems to insure that they deliver the QUANTITY of QUALITY candidates that are needed to turn the numbers around.
For those of us WHO ARE NOT "BLOGGING FROM THE LEFT" I see that MELANIN is not the DISCRIMINATOR that you suggest as "Indian/Pakistani IS THE NEW BLACK"!!! I deal with far more Directors and VPs that are darker than Me but who are Indian/Pakistani rather than African-American. They lead large teams of WHITE FOLKS in some instances.
You and others would rather RACISM CHASE than deal with the painful truth regarding what stands as the LARGEST OBSTACLE before us.
[quote]Obama's got a giant oil spill in the Gulf, flooding in Nashville, a myriad of banking issues and stable but still a horrid economy. And the GOP old guard are terrified of the Tea Party loons taking over the nominating process. [/quote]
SO NOW you are willing to BACK OFF a President because he has a load on his plate?
What the OTHER PORTIONS of the MACHINE that you put into to place who DON"T have to deal with the oil spill?
* The favorable Mayor
* The favorable Police Chief
* The favorable School Board
* City Council
* County board?
How many EXCUSES are you willing to extend to your party mates when they don't follow through?
Do you see LAC that as a PERPETUAL STRUGGLER you stand more resolute against your ADVERSARIES than you are able to shake results from YOUR FRIENDS?
I understand that you don't want to piss off your Permanent Friends, bothering them with your PERMANENT INTERESTS but what happens when you don't have enough enemies left to chase after?
Thrasher sez - It is foolish for Black folks to get in line and affirm Kagan there is no value or basis for us to embrace this choice..
It's a non-polarizing choice, which pretty much sums up Obama's choices in his high profile nominations, seeking to placate that mythical political "center".
I would have preferred Goodwin Liu - but then, that would definitely have had the Rethuglys and coonservative set howling.
"Affirm" Kagan?
Other than Roland Burris - what black folks are involved in that process?
If we are fortunate enough that one of the SCUMMUS 5 retires or dies of natural causes while Obama is in office...
Then we can have fun with a good fight.
Perhaps then we can actually get a black Judge on the court.
[quote]Please tell me what the H_ll has Clarence Thomas done for his race?[/quote]
Answering WhiteBowieSteve and Laurel.
I ask Steve to answer the question "What Has Ruth Bader Ginsberg done to show that BLACK PEOPLE ARE EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS UNDER THE LAW"?
What has Clarence Thomas Done For His Race:
1) In the case "Ricci vs New Haven" - when the bigoted city of New Haven CT thought that the Black applicants for a promotion were "the Least Of These", unable to perform in the appraisal process as the White men that they were competing against and threw out the test results - BROTHER JUSTICE CLARENCE THOMAS saw that it was NOT WORTH THE ASSAULT UPON OUR BLACK CHARACTER to transact upon our INFERIORITY for the sake of obtaining a promotion.
2) In the case of MILLER-EL v. DRETKE - a "Killer who is Black" tried to EXPAND THE CRIME SCENE away from the MURDER that he committed and instead put the Dallas District Attorney ON TRIAL.
In an attempt of "Left-wing INJUSTICE" this CONVICTED KILLER attempted to do a "Barry Sheck" claiming that the DA's history of purging Blacks from the jury selection gave him an UNFAIR TRIAL.
Brother Justice Clarence Thomas, choosing to consider the MURDER VICTIM, killed by the KILLER over the "technicality shopping" that those who seek to put the Justice System ON TRIAL - voted against a new trial for the CONVICTED KILLER.
As expected the bigots in the Civil Rights Community attacked Clarence Thomas for his ruling.
WhiteBowieSteve - these are the SAME CIVIL RIGHTS MACHINE OPERATIVES who look at the "killing fields" in Chicago and other urban places where Black people are being MURDERED and instead they choose to FLY DOWN TO ARIZONA to engage in a situation where they know that BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE UNITED OVER - not having to step on anyone's toes.
WhiteBowieSteve - take the present grievances and STRUGGLE that we face as a people and CROSS REFERENCE these places with the PREVAILING IDEOLOGICAL AND POLITICAL ORDER over these places. How long are you going to be able to retain your IDEOLOGICAL BIGOTRY and proclaim that the EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS living in these places are suffering from the deeds of EXTERNAL FORCES yet you can't manage to hold the people who run the INSTITUTIONS accountable for what is happening on their watch.
WHY DID YOU TAKE CONTROL OVER THESE INSTITUTIONS IF YOU DON'T PLAN TO HOLD THEM EQUALLY ACCOUNTABLE as the previous occupants of the seats of power?
[quote]If we are fortunate enough that one of the SCUMMUS 5 retires or dies of natural causes while Obama is in office...
[/quote]
Does anyone else see it as IRONIC that the same shameless operative who runs the nation looking for a toothless White man who never left his county of birth is able to make death threats against Obama which get promoted to the TOP of the attention span of Black America - YET he openly hopes that one of the 5 CONSERVATIVE jurists on the US Supreme Court dies while Obama is in office?
And this is not seen by you all as the VERY SAME DAMNED THING that you call out as HATRED when the "Tea Party" does less?
CF, please stay within the context. My response was to UTS' issue that many progressives simply want high political theater with no results.
As to your meme that I am somehow a DLC enabler, you obvious don't pay attention when I regular denounce the old Black guard for their failures to the Black community. I'm fairly consistent in my arguments -- analysis over ideology.
That being said, I'm not going to run to right wing goons who openly work against the interests of Black people, brown people and working people.
[quote]That being said, I'm not going to run to right wing goons who openly work against the interests of Black people, brown people and working people.[/quote]
LAC:
Can you dictate to me the BLACK PERMANENT INTERESTS that are being DELIVERED by those who HAVE CONTROL OVER THE INSTITUTIONS where we live in our highest concentrations?
Do you see how you are more inclined to "Put Your Adversaries On Trial" more than you "Defend That Which You Have Sold Out Your Interests To"?
The Porch Simian brain farts - YET he openly hopes that one of the 5 CONSERVATIVE jurists on the US Supreme Court dies while Obama is in office?
You are too stupid to understand it - but there is quite a difference between hoping your dog dies...
And shooting it.
BTW, good job yesterday with the visiting KKK guy! Nice to know there is at least SOME white conservative dick you won't suck!
CF - as I don't really want argue and frankly got more lucrative and interesting things to do, so I'll pose this to you and to all the other Palovian Obama-haters who regularly post:
Do you have a better idea?
Instead railing against UTS for being an ardent supporter of the President, nipping at me over semantics or railing about 'street pirates', just tell us how you would change things. Nothing negative -- just a concrete idea of where your head is at.
No sniping at me or empty rhetoric, just a clear-headed statement of what you'd like to see. Only one caveat -- it has to concrete and workable. For example don't "I'd like to end our dependency on oil" -- that's a dream, not a plan or goal. You can say 'I'd like us to do XYZ to end our dependence on oil.'
Go on, you're obviously an educated person -- work the problem.
Abandon Hope, LAC - in getting Flava Flatulence to ever say anything intelligible...
Much less intelligent.
BTW, I'm from New haven and I'm extremely familiar with the politics and history of 'Rici vs. New Haven'. Simply put -- guys like Rici got their jobs in the Fire Department simply because uncle Lou got the hook up. New Haven is rifed with nepotism.
The second a few Black and latino guys got those cushy fire department officer positions (A cop's pay with about 1/2 the hassle) these guys balked and went to court. According to my lawyer friends -- New Haven lost at the SCOTUS because they were sloppy in their management.
I make no defense of the Destefano administration or the NHFD. But lets be clear of what happened -- white people didn't get to ride on their whiteness and got into a tissy.
The Black Electorate are not under any obligation to support liberal objectives..( Liberals will trash Black conservatives in a heart beat)
The BE not required to support the American Jewish Agenda( many times jews have informed Black folks they are white as well as jewish)
The BE is not required to support the NOW agenda( Many trashed Obama in the campaign)
The BE is not required to support the Obama White House( Obama constantly reminds Black folks he is an American President ignoring the reality that Black issues=American Issues
Thrasher, I'll simply pose the same question to you that I posed to CF (though I think you'll actually respond), what would you hope for the black electorate to do? As you pointed out, we're not a monolith and are not require to goose-step to the ideas of white liberals. So, what are you ideas?
Thrasher said...
"The Black Electorate are not under any obligation to support liberal objectives..( Liberals will trash Black conservatives in a heart beat)"
BLACKS WILL TRASH BLACK CONSERVATIVES IN A HEARTBEAT. YOU ARE TRAINED LIKE CLAPPING, BARKING SEALS TO ATTACK ANYONE WHO OPPOSES LIBERALS AS RACIST. NOW SHUT UP AND EAT YOUR FISH.
The BE not required to support the American Jewish Agenda( many times jews have informed Black folks they are white as well as jewish)
BLACKS WORK FOR JEWS (AXELROD, EMMANUEL AND SOROS) AND WILL DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD. NOW SUPPORT KAGAN.
The BE is not required to support the NOW agenda( Many trashed Obama in the campaign)
BLACKS ARE ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED TO SUPPORT THE NOW AGENDA, THERE IS NO HERESY ON ABORTION ALLOWED AND YOU MUST NOW APPLAUD YOUR OWN GENOCIDE.
The BE is not required to support the Obama White House( Obama constantly reminds Black folks he is an American President ignoring the reality that Black issues=American Issues
WRONG. BLACK APPROVAL OF PRESIDENT OBAMA NOW STANDS AT 96%.
LAC,
Please feel free to visitmy blog planeideas.blogspot.com
With regard to your question there is an unlimited array of options that the BE can pursue from blogging about this shallow candidate to running for local public offices to volunteering etc..
The BE does have to be a monolith force our influence can be as simple as advising white insurance agents, lawyers, service people we can select others to perform thier services for us..
The BE does not have be held hostage to white liberals andthier agenda...That is why I stress we should solict the TeaParty Movement our interests are at play everywhere..
I ignore posts from intellectual cowards that post under ANON..
They do not even respect thier own opinions by posting under an alias..
What cowards they are..Pussies
LAC
"Instead railing against UTS for being an ardent supporter of the President, nipping at me over semantics or railing about 'street pirates', just tell us how you would change things. Nothing negative -- just a concrete idea of where your head is at."
You won't get an answer because where "his head is" is up Massa's ass.
He, like conservatives period and especially black conservatives, has no ideas, no solutions and most obviously no love for black people.
What is really irsksome about CF is that he relentlessly peddles the BIG LIE......that black people somehow "took over" institutions that supposedly were working just fine and ran them into the ground.
So the system was working for black folks when white folks were running it but black pols took these urban paradises and ghettoized them??????
This is the garbage you hear on Sean Hannity or at CofCC gatherings.
To hear it coming from a black man is downright disgusting.
Field:
Ahem,
Justice Sotomeyer, who is Puerto Rican, is a woman of color.
On the Kagan selection it is an opportunity for the BE to remind Obama that we are more important than white liberals..
On the Kagan slection it is an opportunity for the BE to remind Obama that we are more important than the white jewish vote
On the Kagan selection it is an opportunity to the BE to remind Obama that we are more important than the white NOW vote
On the Kagab selection it is an opportunity to Obama that Black folks are not his doormat or free pass to patronize those who have margainal when issues matters to us..
Hey, Thrasher, checking out your posting with the independent party candidate. Very interesting -- a IT professor running for public office. Should offer a different perspective than the typical polished ambulance chaser we see in Congress. Hopefully this brother's got a strategy -- the old guard Democratic Machine got a stranglehold in Detriot.
I wish the best to this brother.
Sharon,
So are Black Female Judges with more credentials than Kagan..They are also WOMAN OF COLOR...
BTW for the record KAGAN is not a WOMAN OF COLOR
The BE does not have be held hostage to white liberals andthier agenda...That is why I stress we should solict the TeaParty Movement our interests are at play everywhere..
Whose "agenda"?
And what exactly do you think black folks have in common with Tea Baggers?
You could possibly get me for the argument that black and moderate Republican principles might intersect, particularly in the area of social conservatism...
But even putting aside the deeply racist streak in the Tea Bagger movement, the question becomes - "whats in it for me?"
And whether from a tax level, economic development level, or any other level...
There is just nothing there.
Thrasher said...
"I ignore posts from intellectual cowards that post under ANON..
They do not even respect thier own opinions by posting under an alias..
What cowards they are..Pussies"
You da man Mr. Thrasher!
btx3 said...
"And what exactly do you think black folks have in common with Tea Baggers?
You could possibly get me for the argument that black and moderate Republican principles might intersect, particularly in the area of social conservatism...
But even putting aside the deeply racist streak in the Tea Bagger movement, the question becomes - "whats in it for me?"
And whether from a tax level, economic development level, or any other level...
There is just nothing there."
There goes another trained seal, barking on cue. There is nothing "racist" about the Tea Party. You were fed the line that opponents to socialism are racist, and like a good seal, you swallowed it whole. What a fool.
[quote]Do you have a better idea?
Instead railing against UTS for being an ardent supporter of the President, nipping at me over semantics or railing about 'street pirates', just tell us how you would change things. Nothing negative -- just a concrete idea of where your head is at.[/quote]
LAC - I am not impressed by your coyness.
YOU hold ME to the standard of "OFFER ME A SOLUTION AND I WILL LISTEN"
Ironically THE POWER ESTABLISHMENT that you DEFEND got into POWER over our communities that YOU attack Ricci for benefiting from.
YOU DON'T GET TO SET THE NEW TERMS in regards to our COMMUNITY REPRESENTATION and how you will defend them any more than you can choose to PUT ASIDE the NEW standards that are TRANSPARENT for the selection of Firemen because you want to factor in for the PAST.
I DON'T OWE YOU A "SOLUTION".
Whatever YOU ARE DOING is not working. I can't force you to go back to those who led you along and demand that YOU HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
The only thing I can do is have you to live up to some leave of INTEGRITY and DIGNITY and have THIS to trump all of your other interests.
Anon rants....
"Oh yes you do need to kiss the ring of white liberals. You have hitched your wagon and there you will stay. By selling allegiance to one party for a few pieces of silver, you have no say in anything beyond what your owner wants. What do you call an electorate that votes 95% + for one party? A DOORMAT. Obama just wiped the shit off his shoes all over it. Get used to it. The democrats know the future lies with La Raza, not you."
I guess you told us.
You wonder why black folks vote 90% Democratic.
Why won't Republicans ask for the black vote?
Black folks didn't always vote so lopsidedly for the Dems.
What changed?
As for as your "doormat" drivel, your teabag buddies claim that Obama and the Dems are doing too much for blacks and minorities and white folks are getting shafted.
Make up your minds.
UTS: "As for as your "doormat" drivel, your teabag buddies claim that Obama and the Dems are doing too much for blacks and minorities and white folks are getting shafted."
That's a lie.
[quote]What is really irsksome about CF is that he relentlessly peddles the BIG LIE......that black people somehow "took over" institutions that supposedly were working just fine and ran them into the ground.[/quote]
WhiteBowieSteve:
YOU ARE A LIAR more than anything else.
You now SPIN the notion that "The Institutions were WORKING prior to the takeover".
THE TRUTH IS - YOU HELPED MARKET the idea that IF BLACK FOLKS VOTE AS YOU PROMPTED US TO.....that the FIX WOULD COME.
When I grew up in Philly the key talking point of the Progressives was "We need people running our schools who CARE ABOUT OUR CHILDREN and who have our people's BEST INTERESTS IN MIND".
WhiteBowieSteve: TO-DAMNED-DAY Philly is LIVING DURING THE TIME OF THAT "VICTORY".
Rizzo and all other ADVERSARIES are gone.
Yet cowardly sellouts like you are unwilling to print out the LIST OF PROMISES and go back to the establishment operatives DEMANDING that they show the benefits that they have delivered.
Side note - a few weeks ago you listed as one of Obama's accomplishments that the Stock Market has risen above what Bush had left it. What did Obama do to cause the gross decline last week? This is what is problematic for you and your credibility.
You are so busy doing your Will.i.am move that you can't defend your own interests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08S4poMGvwA
btx3,
There are a number of themes that the TP has that has merit for the Black Electorate..
One of the most basic benefits of the TP for the Black Electorate is the broker leverage the TP option is for the Black Electorate just look at this empty option that Obama is ramping down the throats of Black folks a white woman with zero relationships with Black folks to be the next SCJ..
The TP themes regarding waste, tax , fiscal matters fit quite well in the wheelhouse of many Blue collar Black folks( Yes I daid it Black folks have a large Blue Collar segment it is not always about the white blue collar bandwidth)
btx3,
There are a number of themes that the TP has that has merit for the Black Electorate..
One of the most basic benefits of the TP for the Black Electorate is the broker leverage the TP option is for the Black Electorate just look at this empty option that Obama is ramping down the throats of Black folks a white woman with zero relationships with Black folks to be the next SCJ..
The TP themes regarding waste, tax , fiscal matters fit quite well in the wheelhouse of many Blue collar Black folks( Yes I daid it Black folks have a large Blue Collar segment it is not always about the white blue collar bandwidth)
CF --
Whatever, kid. By the way, WRITING IN ALL CAPS DOESN'T MAKE YOUR ARGUMENTS MORE POWERFUL. In net-speak, it just make you silly most of the time.
My whole point is simple -- if we had a clear concept of what you think (I've read your blog, by the way, no clear ideas there either), some of us may say 'hey, the man has a point.' Instead you, once again, attack me, instead of stating what you actually think.
I've offered the same 'challenge' to others on this board who I don't agree with and regularly attack me. Some simply state where we agree and don't agree (mellanous comes to mind) while others simply get more irate and immature than usual.
Eh, whatever, this is good brain rest between project calls.
hobama's entire inner circle demos his blatant nepotism with wall st/bankers....kagan included!!!
she is a "woman of color"...so what???
she is one whose ONLY actual color is CORP GREEN...just like that blackish hobama!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddede2c4860c.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347ee947e1860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de1fc8b9860c.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de1b23c4860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bc27f89860e.html
Kagan has nothing in common with People of Color... She represents the elite white class of academic nothingness..
Academics never take it to the streets, they never get thier asses kicked, they never get dirty, they never hunger for the very basics of life...
Kagan is an insult to many people and the very idea that Obama had to pay off her supporters is revealing and an offensive..
White liberal Woman do not mattr more than POC at any level or issue..
Anonymous Goober sez
"That's a lie"
Oh yeah?
Well read this while I pull my foot out of your ass once again (this is getting boring).
"The Tea Partiers’ racial paranoia
Salon’s Numerologist, David Jarman, nails it today: He combines the widely covered CBS/New York Times poll on the Tea Partiers — no surprise, they’re white, and they think President Obama is doing too much for black people; some surprise, they’re wealthier than the average voter — with a less-covered University of Washington poll that finds they also doubt the hard work, intelligence and trustworthiness of black people.
The Times poll was enlightening: Yes, they’re white, older, male and Republican; 56 percent make over $50,000 a year and 12 percent make over $250,000. They’re more likely to rely on Social Security and Medicare than the average voter — and, no surprise, they tend to approve of those two programs. The Times goes on:
More than half say the policies of the administration favor the poor, and 25 percent think that the administration favors blacks over whites — compared with 11 percent of the general public.
They are more likely than the general public, and Republicans, to say that too much has been made of the problems facing black people.
As my friend Digby points out, make that “way more likely: 52% of them think that as compared to only 28% of the general public.” (Digby delves into much more detail about the poll, here.)"
never fret!
blacks like me who refuse to vote for hobama again will have record breaking black options in 2012...and NONE of any race could be worse than he has been!
none could be crueler to the poor/soldiers/gays etc than hobama has been...
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eeae660860b.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f19cb0ed860f.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddf5b194860b.html
Analosity grunts There goes another trained seal, barking on cue. There is nothing "racist" about the Tea Party. You were fed the line that opponents to socialism are racist, and like a good seal, you swallowed it whole. What a fool.
While I may disagree with Thrasher on any number of subjects, he got one right...
You are a clown, and a complete cowardly jackass.
Good thing we have Flava Flatulence here to make you feel smart - even if the comparison is naught but that between a simpleton and a moron.
uts:
u remain in denial
seen those tea parties in greece lately
u r late to sip the rebel brews!!!
millions of tea partiers cannot afford to travel and wk daily and are black like me!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bc593c4860e.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1a9e56f860f.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bb59112860e.html
"millions of tea partiers cannot afford to travel and wk daily and are black like me!"
There are a lot ways I could go with this comment but I'm going to leave it and you alone AB.
Carry on.
many hobama nazis will be swilling hot strong tea and detoxing from hobama's gray kool aid asap
global poverty by design will
make the tea party a world party asap!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100505/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_greece_financial_crisis
uts:
yes
as usual you cannot see the forest of the green prez for your trifling elitist obsessions with your own tiny green toxic trees
UTS: A Times poll? Really? You are a buffoon.
the global tea party has just begun to brew!!!!
“It’s a temporay bailout, as we said,..the United States in 2009, and early 2010, has spent, lent, and guaranteed over $11 trillion dollars. This is fake money, it’s phantom money, printed out of thin air, backed by nothing, and not worth the digital…paper it’s printed on. So we’re going to see this collapse as the stimulus collapses. That’s what happened in Europe. As they started to unwind the stimulus, as they attempted to raise interest rates, the economies start to fail. We’re goin to see it in Spain. We’re going to see it in Portugal, we already see it in Latvia, the Ukraine, in Hungary, in Ireland. It’s going global, there’s no stopping it, and the people are going to revolt.”
http://www.truthistreason.net/gerald-celente-on-greece-bailout-violence
T sez The TP themes regarding waste, tax , fiscal matters fit quite well in the wheelhouse of many Blue collar Black folks( Yes I daid it Black folks have a large Blue Collar segment it is not always about the white blue collar bandwidth)
First issue - the individual tax burden in this country is the lowest it's been in 50 years...
A situation which was one of the components contributing to the current economic Depression.
So the "overtaxed" argument is bullshit.
Second - "waste". The principal governmental waste today is in the Military, and the perhaps $500 billion scammed as part of the "Iraq War". The Tea Baggers had their guy, the Bushit - in charge for 8 years, a conservative 5-4 majority in the SC, and a Republican dominated legislature for 6 of those 8 yeras. During that period the Untied States dropped from the 2nd least corrupt nation to the 13th. At this point arguing that health care is going to bankrupt and already bankrupt economy - when a mindless dedication to supporting the Bushit war on Iraq to feed the Defense Industry was a major contributor to the depression we are in in the first place...
Is outright asinine.
Third, I'm fully cognizant that the majority of the black Middle Class got there through blue collar jobs. The Tea Baggers are made up of upper middle class, modestly educated, white collar, white folks with a median age of 50. I just don't see any commonality. Worse, the demographics of the Tea Baggers in terms of age are only slightly better than the Republican Party. Roughly 60% of the black population in this country is under 30...
What do they have in common with old white men, who've already made their bullet?
If you are arguing that the Tea Baggers are disorganized and thus might be malleable into something advantageous...
Why exactly do you believe we need them?
Today my theme is about a white woman getting preference in front of WOMAN of Color jurists who have more credentials and experience..
Obama's selection of this inflated white woman is revealing and tragic on so many layers and levels..
Obama clearly does have nay Black folks in his inner circle that have clout or can make a difference when it matters...
Obama is not clueless about Black issues he simply refuses to elevate them...Kagan is clearly out of her element but merit and right is not revelant ot a Obama white house tenure...
Obama continues to disappoint..For centuries on this soil Black folks have been subject to every manner of inhumanity and contempt to finally get a person of color into the white house and have him ignore these truths and intentionaly navigate around the issues of people of color is beyond all reason natural order...
The souls of Black folks and others who have lived the lives of indignity deserve better..
Today my theme is about a white woman getting preference in front of WOMAN of Color jurists who have more credentials and experience..
Obama's selection of this inflated white woman is revealing and tragic on so many layers and levels..
Obama clearly does have nay Black folks in his inner circle that have clout or can make a difference when it matters...
Obama is not clueless about Black issues he simply refuses to elevate them...Kagan is clearly out of her element but merit and right is not revelant ot a Obama white house tenure...
Obama continues to disappoint..For centuries on this soil Black folks have been subject to every manner of inhumanity and contempt to finally get a person of color into the white house and have him ignore these truths and intentionaly navigate around the issues of people of color is beyond all reason natural order...
The souls of Black folks and others who have lived the lives of indignity deserve better..
shallow elitist black fools like uts and lac really think the world is fine as long as the locks wk on their cards and homes...shame!!!
balancing your own checkbooks does not constitute a recovery for the tortured hungry homeless masses bilked by hobama! and his legendarily ruthless ilk!!....even thos dying mere blocks away from hobama's hm in dc
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de3a0e2e860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de3a2dd2860d.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bc58df4860e.html
BTW Anonymous
I asked CF this question several times and never get an answer.
What have the Repubs done for you?
Why am I a dupe for voting Democratic but you're a sage for voting GOP?
the repubs have done far less to destroy poor blacks than hobama and his dems!!!!
you are not a dupe fro voting for dems
you are a dupe for seeing them as something more than clones of repubs!!!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/gender-abuse-trumps-politics---rethinking-sarah-palin.html
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/political-pablum-pavlovian-praises-perpetual-patronizing-promises.html
uts:
see george carlin expertly explain why u r a deluded hobama nazi fool!
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de3752a1860d.html
btx3,
Who said we needed them?? I stated we should take over the TP movement I never stated we should be a supporting role( please note my previous posts about Black folks and our interests in all political parties)
With regard to your counter talking points that is all they are are talking points based upon selective interpetation..
The tax burden has not improved for the working Black poor..The defense Budget under is now in excess of 750 BILLION dollars and this yoyo(Obama)had the audacity to accept a peace prize and them send more youn folks to die in Afgt.. BTW Obama like his peers never served a day in the arm services...
Finally unlike you I do not need white liberals to define for me what is revelant and possible..I alone reserve that right...
[quote]You wonder why black folks vote 90% Democratic.
Why won't Republicans ask for the black vote?[/quote]
The ESSENCE OF BIGOTRY before us!!!
1) "Democrat Who Is Black" Dr Ronald Walters - a participant in the Chicago State Meeting with Tavis told us for 20 years "BEYOND ANYTHING ELSE - do not, DO NOT, DO NOT allow the BLACK VOTE to fracture upon more than one PARTY lest we lose our power as a voting Block"......and Steve wonders WHY
2) A few weeks later when Jesse Jackson who was also at the meeting called a "STATE of Emergency in CHICAGO" no one made note of the irony that the most DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED large city in America - could not insure the SAFETY OF BLACK FOLKS.
3) Dr Walters is focusing upon UNITY while not saying a word about EFFECTIVENESS in obtaining our PERMANENT INTERESTS.
4) Fannie Lou Hamer drove from Mississippi to Atlantic City only to be spat upon by White Racist Democrats in 1964. She saw the need for Black people to be represented in a party. In 2010 Filled Negro sees a White woman who is the official mail opener for the Republicans in Indiana and is PISSED that she sent out an "Obama Spook" e-mail, thus proving that Republicans are Racist
5) Black folks demand to go to Whites only Schools
Black folks demand entrance into White only Golf Clubs
......Subdivisions
......Executive Suites
The ONLY entity that the "Democrats Who Are Black" operatives spurn Black folks for joining is the Republican Party. Isn't that strange?
You see LAC and Steve - in my study of what makes "Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chasers" tick I have observed several things about you. YOU NEED TO keep your ADVERSARIES ON TRIAL so the Black Rank and File can be so distracted that THEY NEVER PUT YOU ON TRIAL for your performance.
This is how we as a people can express voter nullification and choose to retain the ESTABLISHMENT FORCES in power despite the results that have been rendered.
The real question is not "What do Republicans need to do to attract the Black vote?" instead it is "What could the Democrats do to harm our permanent interests and thus LOSE THE BLACK VOTE?"
With so many sold out "Democrat who are Black" operatives acting as guards to the consciousness of the Black community - don't look for a change in our condition any time soon.
EVEN THOUGH we are living in the "Mission Accomplished" time which the Black Establishment has achieved what they have struggled for - our PERMANENT INTERESTS have never been more in doubt. In fact the places that have been WON are often the places of most concern.
YOU NEED TO BE PUT ON TRIAL and made to PROVE why we should keep walking your way.
I told you that it matters not about the "American Political Domain".
It is the "Community Cultural Consciousness & Competency Development Domain" that is where the key failings are taking place.
I shall return to continue my crusade against Kagan a shallow empty white woman who has zero relations with Black folks and people of color on so many levels..
Obama's need to shove this overinflated empty skirt of a woman is not going over well here in Detroit..
[quote]The tax burden has not improved for the working Black poor..The defense Budget under is now in excess of 750 BILLION dollars[/quote]
Thrasher:
Which fact has had a more delirious impact upon the Black community?
1) In the context of a near $4T budget.......the Defense Department receives $750B (While the big 3 entitlements receive $1.4T per year)
OR
2) Despite the LOCAL political take over and the promised benefits that would come the LOCAL economic base has failed to produce enough jobs to employ those who seek to apply their creativity and intelligence thus making me wonder WHAT WAS THE BENEFIT of the take over IF these leaders now look NATIONALLY for funds?
Thrasher said...
Kagan has nothing in common with People of Color... She represents the elite white class of academic nothingness..
Academics never take it to the streets, they never get thier asses kicked, they never get dirty, they never hunger for the very basics of life...
Kagan is an insult to many people and the very idea that Obama had to pay off her supporters is revealing and an offensive..
White liberal Woman do not mattr more than POC at any level or issue..
2:10 PM
please support your claim that "obama had to pay off her supporters."
Oh answer the damn questions.
Why won't Republicans ask for the black vote?
Why won't they go to black churches?
Why won't they advertise on black radio?
Maria:
With all due respect - the real question is:
What is it that a White Jewish Liberal woman with a pedigree from Harvard CAN'T DO that it takes a Black Liberal jurist to accomplish?
In other words - PLEASE sufficiently distinguish the BLACK PROGRESSIVE Agenda from the Progressive Agenda?
Thank you.
I'll take my answer off of the air.
uts:
where have u been?
black repubs are hawking all over:
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eeae660860b.html
CF
"5) Black folks demand to go to Whites only Schools
Black folks demand entrance into White only Golf Clubs
......Subdivisions
......Executive Suites"
You just pull it out of your ass as you go, don't you?
I'M CALLING BULL$HIT.
Show me where blacks have demanded entry into private white schools or clubs.
The issue has always been no discrimination in public accomodations.
Watch him disappear. AGAIN!!!!
What a friggin phony
Kagan is no friend of white woman either it appears with her posture on abortion ...
Kagan clearly has zero relationships with Black folks according to many Black law students after a nasty racist skit at a law school fuction she ignored the complaints of Black law students...
Kagan is a lightweight clearly her jewish religion is not revelant apparently only to Obama.. of course some of my best friends are Black jews like jesus was BTW...lol,lol,lol
For the record I worship many gods..
i said YESTERDAY the second she was announced that i was against her.
again, thrasher, support your claim that obama "paid off her opponents."
seems to me she has a lot of opponents of all colors (and non-colors.)
T sez - I stated we should take over the TP movement
I KNEW you were smarter than the average black conservative!
Now - how exactly do you propose to effect that - though "mass" or money?
Since the principal funding for the Tea Bagger movement comes from several billion dollar "Funds", none of which has, as of yet seen fit to subsidize any black political movement - other than the usual Lawn Jockey set. It would seem that money is out.
So why not form a "Coffee Party"?
At least then, guys like myself might consider writing a check without worrying about it going to some piece of shit like the Sno' Ho'.
With regard to your counter talking points that is all they are are talking points based upon selective interpetation.
Of course it is - but I'm not the one in the selling position here.
btx3,
I did not know I was selling tea as well..lol,lol,lol,
BTW one does not have to be a rich person to run for local offices and school regents etc under any party banner..
I am sure the TP would welcome Black candidates...
I am an advocate of Black folks in all parties including the TP..
the coffee party was formed a couple of months ago.
http://www.facebook.com/coffeeparty?ref=ts
http://CoffeePartyUSA.com/
maria,
I support my opinons with my opinons..In my opinon Obama selected Kagan to appease the jewish lobby here in the states..
In my opinon Obama does not have many if any Black men inside his inner circle to provide him with Black intell and cultural data etc..
In my opinion given his roots his blindspot with Black folks is staring to become quite apparent and a liability on a number of levels and layers....Michelle is not a Black man and she lacks that reality for obvious reasons..
maria,
I support my opinons with my opinons..In my opinon Obama selected Kagan to appease the jewish lobby here in the states..
In my opinon Obama does not have many if any Black men inside his inner circle to provide him with Black intell and cultural data etc..
In my opinion given his roots his blindspot with Black folks is staring to become quite apparent and a liability on a number of levels and layers....Michelle is not a Black man and she lacks that reality for obvious reasons..
Maria, already a member of the Coffee Party.
Presently a member of the party of me , myself and I.....
A trinity of icons...
LAC - What about the "Coffee Party's" SOLUTION SET that was shown to you prompted you to join?
This is an important index for me to understand as you feign the inability to understand what I am saying.
Thanks in advance.
[quote]Show me where blacks have demanded entry into private white schools or clubs.[/quote]
Does anyone on this board take this guy serious?
[quote]Augusta did not admit its first African-American member until 1990, at a time when controversy was erupting over Shoal Creek, an all-white Alabama club where the PGA Championship took place only after it admitted its first black member.[/quote]
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JFBXpWgke_8J:www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/masters/2002-09-27-augusta_x.htm+black+membership+%22augusta+national%22&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Black Woman takes the helm at formerly Whites-only Girard College in Philly
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hlLk30PwIqrnOaidO2Ce6kLJey0gD9FA8IAG0
How long should I play your game Steve?
[quote]Why won't Republicans ask for the black vote?[/quote]
It is not "ASKING" that is the problem. It seems to me that the CONSERVATIVE PARTY will be expected to become JUST LIKE the LIBERAL PARTY to garner masses of the Black vote. ALL WITHOUT the Black Community doing sufficient INTROSPECTION as to how they have actually benefited from the PROGRESSIVE TAKE OVER that is presently among them.
Thus today we have "Black Flight Progressives" moving to CONSERVATIVE, Republican Dominated Areas. CONSUMING the lifestyle without ever having to VOTE as their neighbors do.
[quote]
Why won't they go to black churches?[/quote]
The way that you tell it - most Black Evangelistic Preachers are already Republicans. Why does the GOP need to go there?
[quote]
Why won't they advertise on black radio?[/quote]
Why should Tom Joyner and Cathy Hughes PROFIT by accepting money from their political adversaries only to have 55 minutes per hour of PRO-DEMOCRATIC talking points?
How about ANSWERING MY QUESTION:
What would the Democratic Party, after taking DOMINATE CONTROL over the Black Community have to do to LOSE the Black vote after having FAILED to deliver upon the Permanent Interests that you have enumerated?
CF ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It took your sorry ass a couple of hours to come up with this bull$hit?
The PGA, after decades of tolerating racism, refused to hold tournaments at segregated clubs.
Especially when black golfers like Lee Elder and Calvin Peete were then on the tour.
This was business, as always.
Not a bunch of negroes demanding to party with white folks.
You are truly a clown.
CF
"Thus today we have "Black Flight Progressives" moving to CONSERVATIVE, Republican Dominated Areas. CONSUMING the lifestyle without ever having to VOTE as their neighbors do."
That's garbage.
The suburbs remain as segregated as the cities. Black middle and upper middle class areas are primarily Democratic.
"The way that you tell it - most Black Evangelistic Preachers are already Republicans. Why does the GOP need to go there?"
More nonsense from you.
And even if the preachers themselves were Republicans (which they are not) the congregations are certainly Democratic or the 90%of the black vote going Democratic stat is fatally flawed.
"Why should Tom Joyner and Cathy Hughes PROFIT by accepting money from their political adversaries only to have 55 minutes per hour of PRO-DEMOCRATIC talking points?"
ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!!!!
There are other alternatives in black radio than Joyner and Hughes.
In fact I heard Michael Baiseden say he was open to any Republican, particularly a black Republican, coming on his show and making the GOP case.
No one took up the challenge because black righties dance for massa and massa only.
"What would the Democratic Party, after taking DOMINATE CONTROL over the Black Community have to do to LOSE the Black vote after having FAILED to deliver upon the Permanent Interests that you have enumerated?"
I don't accept your premise.
In the last 40 years the black middle class has tripled as have the number of black professionals, business owners and home owners.
The number of blacks in poverty diametrically reversed in that period from over 60% to 22%.
It is essential to your nefarious buckdancing mission to depict the black community en masse as dysfunctional ghetto dwellers but by now most people see through your game.
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