Monday, May 25, 2015

The Republican Crusades.

The Field Negro education series continues.

"One of the hot issues in the 2016 presidential election is how to deal with terror and slaughter in the name of Islam. President Obama and Hillary Clinton refuse to call such violence Islamic. They insist that Muslims are victims, not allies, of ISIS and al-Qaida.

The Republican candidates for president say this reluctance to associate Islam with jihadi violence is naïve, wimpy, and dangerous. “We need a commander in chief who will once and for all call it what it is, and that is that radical Islamic terrorism is a threat to us all,” says Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. Rick Santorum agrees: “Islam is an ideology. And we need to be honest about the American public about what the nature of our enemy really is.” Sen. Marco Rubio promises a Reaganesque crusade:
[W]e must restore America’s willingness to think big—to state boldly what we stand for and why it is right. Just as Reagan never flinched in his criticisms of the Soviet Union’s political and economic repressions, we must never shy away from demanding that China allow true freedom for its 1.3 billion people. Nor should we hesitate in calling the source of atrocities in the Middle East by its real name—radical Islam.
   
The Republicans don’t just call the enemy Islamic. They criticize Clinton and Obama for preaching coexistence. At last weekend’s South Carolina Freedom Summit, they laughed off the Crusades and defended mockery of Islam. Carly Fiorina, a former Republican Senate nominee now running for president, demanded to know why Clinton has advocated “religious tolerance” and “the need to empathize with our enemies while Christians are being beheaded and crucified.”

Republicans who talk this way think they’re being tough. In reality, however, they’re aiding the enemy. They’re doing for ISIS what they did for al-Qaida: assisting its recruitment, social media, and political strategy. Rhetorically, ISIS and the GOP are in perfect harmony.
Don’t take it from me. Take it from the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. On Thursday his media team released a speech in which the would-be caliph presents his views on Islam, tolerance, and sectarian violence. Baghdadi sounds like a Republican candidate for president. Here’s what he says:
 
1. This is a war between Muslims and non-Muslims. ISIS, like al-Qaida, can’t wage a global or even regional war with 30,000 fighters. To build popular support, it needs to frame the conflict in religious terms. That’s why Baghdadi agrees with American conservatives who say our enemy is Islam:
O Muslims! Do not think the war that we are waging is the Islamic State’s war alone. Rather, it is the Muslims’ war altogether. It is the war of every Muslim in every place. … O Muslims everywhere, has the time not come for you to realize the truth of the conflict and that it is between disbelief and faith? … This war is only against you and against your religion.
2. Coexistence is impossible. Is authentic Islam compatible with Western values? Many conservative activists and politicians say it isn’t. This belief suits Baghdadi. He tells Muslims that they must choose:
O Muslims! Whoever thinks that it is within his capacity to conciliate with the Jews, Christians, and other disbelievers, and for them to conciliate with him, such that he coexists with them and they coexist with him while he is upon his religion and upon tawhīd (monotheism), then he has belied the explicit statement of his Lord (the Mighty and Majestic), who says, “And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. … And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion.”
3. Islam is a religion of war. Santorum, Rudy Giuliani, and other Republicans say ISIS has a scriptural basis for its violence. Two weeks ago Jeb Bush said “part” of the Muslim world was “not a religion of peace.” Baghdadi, too, rejects the religion-of-peace narrative:
O Muslims, Islam was never for a day the religion of peace. Islam is the religion of war. Your Prophet (peace be upon him) was dispatched with the sword as a mercy to the creation. He was ordered with war until Allah is worshipped alone. He (peace be upon him) said to the polytheists of his people, “I came to you with slaughter.” … He never for a day grew tired of war.
The religion-of-war narrative, whatever its scholarly merits, serves political interests on both sides. It gives the Republicans red meat for the primaries, and it helps Baghdadi persuade Muslims that they’re commanded by God to support ISIS.
4. America doesn’t care about Muslim civilian casualties or civil liberties. Baghdadi says followers of Islam should stand with him because they can’t trust Western governments to protect their rights or spare their innocents. He warns Muslims:
And if the Crusaders today claim to avoid the Muslim public and to confine themselves to targeting the armed amongst them, then soon you will see them targeting every Muslim everywhere. And if the Crusaders today have begun to bother the Muslims who continue to live in the lands of the cross by monitoring them, arresting them, and questioning them, then soon they will begin to displace them and take them away either dead, imprisoned, or homeless.
Republicans seem determined to prove Baghdadi right. A few years ago, Rubio, Fiorina, Newt Gingrich, and other GOP leaders denounced peaceful Muslim pluralists for proposing to build a mosque in Manhattan near the site of the 9/11 attacks. Last weekend in South Carolina, Santorum complained that most of the planes we’re flying over ISIS territory “come back not having dropped their ordnance.” Apparently, Santorum thinks the military is too careful in its selection and examination of targets.

The convergence of Republican rhetoric with jihadist propaganda isn’t new. It’s been building ever since George W. Bush left the White House. Liberated from presidential responsibility, Republicans degenerated into a party that uses Islam for domestic politics instead of thinking about how their words resonate overseas. That’s how they became backup singers for Osama Bin Laden. Now they’re working for Baghdadi. Remind me again who’s naïve." [Source]


*Pic from zionica.com
 

115 comments:

Anonymous said...

But, what if coexistence with islam is not possible? What if Baghdadi would say the same thing regardless of what anyone else says? Then, the Republicans you quote are simply stating the truth.

You say that a muscular posture toward the terrorists serves as a recruiting tool, and you're right, but not nearly as effective a recruiting tool as Obama's weakness. Everything is a recruiting tool, but there's nothing as effective a recruiting tool as our current weakness.

Sure, when we were prosecuting the war in the Middle East with some vigor, there were those who were successfully recruited to the islamists' cause, but now, with Barack the Timid in the White House, they're streaming to join up with the ISIS goons.

You leave out the very real possibility that Baghdadi is saying what he means, and has meant all along, and that the Republicans are simply right.

You say, "Republicans degenerated into a party that uses Islam for domestic politics instead of thinking about how their words resonate overseas."

Or, as is more likely, Republicans, finally grew into the party -- thank goodness! -- that stopped obsessing over how their words "resonate overseas," (as does one Obama, Barack) with squishy leftist dopes, and gibbering islamist baboons, and focused on what's simply true.

An observer

Uhleekh M'Baahles said...

If your enemy says this is a war between Muslims and non-Muslims, that coexistence is impossible, and that Islam is a religion of war, and you refuse to believe him despite decades of bloody examples, you must be a Democrat.

The Middle East is in flames. Mass executions are a daily occurrence. Christians are being crucified. Children are being beheaded. Women are being brutally raped. Muslim fanatics have been put in power in every country Obama has meddled in.

Yet somehow Field the Obama Fan Girl can say with a straight face that this is all the fault of Republican candidates acknowledging the truth of the situation.

The wonders of the Liberal Mind never cease.

Anonymous said...

What is frightening about having Muslims in America is that they are very quiet, not saying anything one way or the other.

That's what happened on 9/11. For some time people remained silent then blam! the world trade centers were hit and demolished.

There is 'potential' danger all around us by Muslims. Yet, we want to pretend that there is no danger whatsoever because the Muslims who are here are Americans.

Oh, really?

Anonymous said...

This Muslim-Jihadist vs Christian-American thing is going to end up very badly for the USA and the world.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't take much effort to find out that most Muslims aren't Islamist radicals or jihadis. All you'd have to do is talk to an actual Muslim, or read mainstream media from the Islamic world.

The people who are embracing Islamophobia are willfully ignorant. They LIKE being filled with hate -- it serves some emotional purpose for them -- so they refuse to learn anything that might interfere with their ability to hate.

These are the same folks who believe all sorts of other things that are manifestly not true, such as:

*Capitalism is a perfect meritocracy in which everyone gets exactly what they deserve (even the disabled!). The rich are all virtuous and the poor are all scum who belong in a state of misery.

*Black people don't mind getting beat up by the police. The only reason they are protesting recently is that they have been stirred up by "outside agitators." Because we know that black people are all childlike and do whatever they are told, as long as their marching orders come in the form of a speech with a lot of emotions and rhyming.

*The Drug War is working! No, really it is! Okay, everyone can still get all the drugs they want. But give it another 40 years and I'm sure the Drug War will succeed! (Please pay no attention to the billions upon billions of dollars already pissed away, or the vast numbers of people killed and imprisoned by our drug interdiction apparatus.)

I guess it's easy to deny reality when you've got your head firmly lodged up your own ass.

Anonymous said...

"It doesn't take much effort to find out that most Muslims aren't Islamist radicals or jihadis. All you'd have to do is talk to an actual Muslim, or read mainstream media from the Islamic world."

Or look at poll results.

81% OF AL JAZEERA ARABIC POLL RESPONDENTS SUPPORT ISIS:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"It doesn't take much effort to find out that most Muslims aren't Islamist radicals or jihadis. All you'd have to do is talk to an actual Muslim, or read mainstream media from the Islamic world.

The people who are embracing Islamophobia are willfully ignorant. They LIKE being filled with hate -- it serves some emotional purpose for them -- so they refuse to learn anything that might interfere with their ability to hate."

Your ignorance is astounding. If the Muslims really wanted their fellow Americans to know who they really are, they would be taking action to counter all the publicity the Islamic extremists are getting.

But they remain silent. So they are seen as very suspicious and not trustworthy.

And IF you think Americans should be talking to a Muslim to get a different take, then you don't understand much. It's the Muslims in America who need to 'pony up' and let other Americans know they are patriots too.

But they haven't. And that makes Americans very nervous...except YOU, of course.

Stephen said...

In my opinion, there is no reason to even contemplate military intervention in the Islamic world as long as Muslims reside in the West. This the third great wave of Islamic expansion of a form that predates the Westphalian system and any reaction that is based on post-Westphalian principles is bound to fail. A significant percentage of Muslims in the West openly sympathize with ISIS, and perhaps more importantly, it was Western governments that made the Caliphate possible:

A declassified secret US government document obtained by the conservative public interest law firm Judicial Watch, shows that Western governments deliberately allied with al-Qaeda and other Islamist extremist groups to topple Syrian dictator Bashir al-Assad. The document reveals that in coordination with the Gulf states and Turkey, the West intentionally sponsored violent Islamist groups to destabilize Assad, and that these “supporting powers” desired the emergence of a “Salafist Principality” in Syria to “isolate the Syrian regime.”

Yet another strike against the principle of foreign intervention. The devil you don't know is often considerably worse than the one you are trying to cast out. And Obama has unleashed quite a devil in ISIS.

Prayers for the martyrs of Christ and for all innocents, but the first order of business must be, do no harm. The violence should be quarantined and the Middle East left to sort this out on their own.

Anonymous said...

"81% OF AL JAZEERA ARABIC POLL RESPONDENTS SUPPORT ISIS:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/05/25/shock-poll-81-of-al-jazeera-arabic-poll-respondents-support-isis/"


LOL @ using Breitbart as a source for any factual information.

Their proof of widespread Islamic support for ISIS is an online poll -- which was naturally filled out mostly by members of ISIS.

You'd get the same results if you conducted an online poll asking Europeans, "What do you think of Vladimir Putin?"

100% of Vladimir Putin's paid troll supporters would spam the servers with the answer "Vladimir is the greatest ruler EVAH!"

Anonymous said...

"Yet another strike against the principle of foreign intervention. The devil you don't know is often considerably worse than the one you are trying to cast out. And Obama has unleashed quite a devil in ISIS."

ISIS was formed in American-run POW camps during the Iraq War. Many of its leaders come from the Sunni resistance to the U.S. invasion, or ex-members of the Hussein administration.

George Dubya Bush created ISIS.

But nice try.

focusedpurpose said...

SOMEHOW this has become about repubs and dems?

alrighty then...

time does not permit;(

folk would do well to follow the money trail. see who is arming folk. see who is making sure that the demonic havoc gets reeked.

americans can NOT afford to sleep.

yet...

"...the Middle East left to sort this out on their own."

it is entirely TOO late for that sentiment.

the US and her allies have screwed the "Middle East" and given birth to demons...

it is not "Islam" just as "Christians" are not the enemy. it is those that seek to pit folk against one another to have organized religion demolish itself.

THIS is the only way to make way for the one world religion.

see...

new world order/one world government comes with one world religion.

bush, clinton and others have done the double speak Right in plain sight...research the thousand points of light. and some of the other terms these folk have used in their "speeches". YET folk can only see Barak lightning bolt Obama. lol.

IF folk can't figure out lucifer is who will be worshiped in this one world religion...

at this point in the game, i don't know what tell ya.

there are non stop daily signs.

call me whatever is clever...

i answer to Yah Almighty and THIS is ALL that matters. i strongly suggest that others...

get.
some.

we war NOT against the flesh.

those running up on demons, in the flesh...

are.
not.
ready.

Blessings all!



Anonymous said...

"the US and her allies have screwed the 'Middle East' and given birth to demons..."

To be more accurate, it took a lot of cooks to make the nasty stew that is the Middle East, over a very long period of time.

The Ottoman Empire and Gulf State monarchs screwed the Middle East.

Then European colonial powers screwed the Middle East again with their Sykes-Picot Plan and other foolish meddling.

And only with the advent of the Cold War did the U.S. take over as the primary screwer-upper of the Middle East.

If you want to look at why the region is so screwed up, take a look at the history. Radical Islam is mainly a vehicle (albeit a bad one) for people in that part of the world to protest against their consistently shitty governments.

Anonymous said...

FP--"we war NOT against the flesh.

those running up on demons, in the flesh...

are.
not.
ready."

What do you mean? Flesh is flesh and anybody can get their ass kicked. There's always someone stronger, faster , smarter and more adroit.

Anonymous said...

FP--"there is a seat 666 in the UN-who do folk think will occupy it? or it is just sitting there empty for kicks and giggles?

many are acting like they can't see."


Please forgive my ignorance, but is there really a seat 666 at the UN that is empty waiting to be filled?

My sister, are you trying to scare me? It's working.

focusedpurpose said...

ah...@12:37am-

ever heard the saying fight like a man and pray?

what if i told you that some of US here can see the spirits on folk?

crazy!

lol.

being proactive.

that said, this is Truth.

it is scientifically known that when folk pray and call upon the Name of Messiah, it changes things.

demons know Messiah and tremble.

when one starts researching what the governments of the world have been up to...

they find that they know full well of the goings ons in the spiritual realm. folk do rituals, magick + some mo' to conjure up demons and open different stargates/gate ways. strike deals with demons for fortune, fame and power.

in fact, a lot of the "entertainment" that folk can't seem to do without is nothing more than mega rituals.

i can tell you from personal experience that folk hosting demons KNOW those that belong to Yah and there NO thing they can do about it, other fume. fiddle. and another f word with folk that is not too cool to drop.

;)

and that's about it.

'cause Yah Himself will NOT allow much else.

it is like we see each other and the battle is on. which is why it is written that we should put on the whole armour of Righteousness. that we will be able to Stand.

now some of US have already been Chosen to be jailed. persecuted. + killed. this is written. this is Real.

be that as it may we Stand and Boldly move forward in His Power.

the Righteous are called to be as Bold as lions.

notice the demons are. they 'bout to tell folk they can't pray.

they can't do this that and the other- 'cause it is "hatred"..

totally + completely whatever.

the battle is one of the Spirit more so than the flesh.

as it is written.

those moving in the flesh are flat footed at best. unsuitable for spiritual warfare.

+ not ready on any level.

hope that helps to clarify.

you know, perfect Love indeed casts out ALL fear. i Love Yah. i Love humanity. i Love my people. so whatever is whatever, really.

americans will get a chance to demonstrate that this is the land of the free, home of the brave. indivisible. etc etc etc.

fighting over color and the same party split to split the citizenry...

it is not looking so Good.

the world warns US. why are more not taking heed to the warnings? this Islam vs Christians has ALREADY been done elsewhere.

okey doke.

gotta go.

Blessings all!

focusedpurpose said...

My sister, are you trying to scare me? It's working.

12:46 AM

_____________

THIS is what i mean when i say folk in the flesh are not ready.

with all due respect.

there is more that these demons have been ushering in...

right in plain sight.

folk have sat at UN meetings with 3 flags with the 666 behind them...

deciding how they would break down sovereign nations to get to the one world government/religion...

usher in the anti Messiah.

make sure the world is in disobedience to His Word.

folk that don't have a close personal relationship with Yah will be fearful.

know Yah. know who you are. know your history from whence you come. that the the Almighty of Abraham, Isaac and Yacob is with you..

know what is written...

and demons can just come right on and bring it if they think they got it like that.

the just walk by Faith and though it looks like lucifer is winning...

we are at the beginning. Yah Almighty is giving folk a chance to pull it on in + come in.

the wicked will NOT be acquitted.

this is why they would be wise to quit it.

but these demons ALREADY know.

they just want to see how many they can get to go with their demonic flow.

a soul snatch in full effect.

those outside of His Strong tower, refusing to walk in His Power, run the risk of being devoured.

as it is written.

to stand in fear, is to be in disobedience to the Most High.

He is Real clear that this is NOT what we are called to do. this is not the Spirit He gave you...

nor me.

nor humanity.

THIS is why the devil seeks to KEEP US in a state of ignorant fear.

people indeed perish for lack of Knowledge.

He ALSO tells US how we can move through fear...

Love.

perfect Love casts out ALL fear.

those of US focused on Him are not married to the notion of kicking it on this realm. i mean it is alright, but i ain't trying to bow down to accept marks and what not just to prolong my stay.

may more folk get some.

'cause the demons are turning things up around the world.

while the powers that be have folk focused on dumbness.

it is written that when we see the labor pains of the earth, we are not to be all troubled by it.

to paraphrase.

instead we are to watch as well as pray. lift Him up so that all nations will be drawn to Him.

since the days of Messiah that came with a price to pay.

americans got some coming.

i will leave it at that...

since folk feel afraid. that is not the objective.

though i would suggest that folk turn to Him. repent and do their best to walk Right. He is not a man that He should lie and if you know what is written..

you can see clearly it is unfolding in Real time.

focusedpurpose said...

@12:37 AM- which is why folk hollering 'bout Barak...

need to STOP.

like he is anything other than an order taker...like the rest.

gotta go for Real now.

Blessings all!

The Angel from hell said...

focusedpurpose said...

though i would suggest that folk turn to Him. repent and do their best to walk Right. He is not a man that He should lie and if you know what is written...

1:17 AM
focusedpurpose said...
which is why folk hollering 'bout Barak...

need to STOP.
1:20 AM

MMMMMMMMMHHHHHHHMMMMMMM

First of all God is not a man! Don't be ridiculous! No one has ever seen God so no one can say "HE"

and second, what the hell does Obama have to do with this?

The Crafty Serpent said...

fp you are so full of it! omg!

The Purple Cow said...

For America's hysterical right wing, Muslims are the new Communists.

They always have to have a perceived existential external threat to justify their paranoia, their massive military budgets, their xenophobia, their wish to curtail human freedoms.

The irony is that America's Paranoid Right have a very similar world view to groups like ISIS and :l Qa'eda. They are all homophobic, they are all creationists, they are all anti-abortion, they are all racists, they are all misogynistic, they are all religious fundamentalists who believe in strict literal interpretations of ancient biblical scriptures. They all love war and invading foreign countries.

America's Right wing and ISIS are two sides of the same coin.

Anonymous said...

Did you hear? Colonel Sanders is back! He's amazed at all the progress we made while he was away.

focusedpurpose said...

LOL @ 1:30 and 1:35am! pure comedy.

isis= the danger that is made by the government...

which will be the danger the sheeple beg the government to "protect" them from...

i am neither muslim nor christian. so let's see how it all shakes out.

christians might want to do some research...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySCrf94Bidk

Josh said...

I don't know; I just know that Christians in America (read: The right-wing Americans) are judged completely differently than Muslims are judged.

A Muslim must behead someone or throw acid in a woman's face to be considered an extremist. As was pointed out on this board, "ISIS" earns that label; your everyday Muslims do not and are considered peaceful and suchlike.

All an American Christian need do is stand in opposition to publicly funded birth control or same-sex marriage to be considered an extremist. To be considered a clear and present danger to other Americans; to be considered a maniac bathed in the Kool-Aid.

A typical Muslim can believe in the same relative shit as a typical American right-wing Christian:

- Their holy scripture is literal
- Their god is anti-gay
- Women should have a limited role in life
- Their religion is the only righteous religion
- Their morality is the only morality
- Their laws are universal
- Etc

A Christian holds those views, we call them extreme and dangerous and all the names one of the poster's above levies on them. A Muslim believing the same things, well, as another poster here points out, they're not considered "extreme." That label is reserved for ISIS being compared directly to right-wing American Christians, when what's more accurate is that the typical Christian and typical Muslim share so damn much in common that it baffles me why they don't get along better.

They're both looney.

But, on the real side of life, it's not as if ISIS is just some perceived, overblown threat. These motherfuckers are real, and real dangerous.

How to fight them, however, is beyond me. War obviously doesn't do the trick. The Deepak Chopras of the world don't know shit about it. Happy molecules and healing crystals won't get us out. Praying to dolphin skulls isn't an effective strategic approach.

As I said in a previous discussion, it's a problem that Muslims themselves must solve by rising up in far greater numbers and showing their strength. Either that or become atheists. I don't know another cure for the disease of radicalized Islam. I just know we have to stop pretending that it's a group of 3 crazy guys whom the right-wing has blown up into 3 million through lies and propaganda.

Not agreeing with the right's warmongering is one thing; but ignoring the threat intentionally to be politically obstinate against a rival you hate is stupid and bordering on the immoral.

The right can be retards while still acknowledging ISIS is a beast that must be defeated. Just because Republicans are beating the drum doesn't mean everyone else need ignore the beat.

Anonymous said...

The Purple Cow said...

For America's hysterical right wing, Muslims are the new Communists.

They always have to have a perceived existential external threat to justify their paranoia, their massive military budgets, their xenophobia, their wish to curtail human freedoms.

The irony is that America's Paranoid Right have a very similar world view to groups like ISIS and :l Qa'eda. They are all homophobic, they are all creationists, they are all anti-abortion, they are all racists, they are all misogynistic, they are all religious fundamentalists who believe in strict literal interpretations of ancient biblical scriptures. They all love war and invading foreign countries.

America's Right wing and ISIS are two sides of the same coin.

Yet you embrace ISIS. Don't look to America to save you next time, we'll be busy feeding the negroes.

field negro said...

Anon above, the last part of your post confirms PC's point.

I suppose the American right isn't that hard to figure out after all.

Dr. Ramos, PHD said...

The Purple Cow said...

For America's hysterical right wing, Muslims are the new Communists.

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Therefore, they must be defended by the left at all costs.


They always have to have a perceived existential external threat to justify their paranoia,

---

Just like field negro and blacks ?



America's Right wing and ISIS are two sides of the same coin.

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Just like socialists, atheists and Hitler are two sides of the same coin...

withoutacountryx@gmail.com said...

Please TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE? between a dixicrat and ???? Now pleaae do the best you can

withoutacountryx@gmail.com said...

Anon above, the last part of your post confirms PC's point.

I suppose the American right isn't that hard to figure out after all.

6:27 AM am i LMAO?

Anonymous said...

"George Dubya Bush created ISIS"

Seven years later, and you are still blaming Bush.

No one had heard of ISIS in 2008.

Nice try.

Uncle Renaldo said...

What's rich about field's latest copy and paste series is that the author has advocated killing those Christians who oppose his liberal view points.

I guess it's ok to side with terrorists when your a leftwinger.

Uhleekh M'Baahles said...

The Purple Cow said...
For America's hysterical right wing, Muslims are the new Communists.

They always have to have a perceived existential external threat to justify their paranoia, their massive military budgets, their xenophobia, their wish to curtail human freedoms.
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When it comes to curtailing freedoms, no one tops progressives. Bush's limited use of the NSA was expanded to everyone under Obama. The "right wing" wants to put restrictions on abortion and doesn't believe gay marriage is the same thing to marriage between a man and a woman. Progressives want to control everything else: what you eat, what you drink, what you drive, where you live, what energy sources you use, what you are allowed to hear, what you are allowed to say, and what you are allowed to believe.

When is comes to using phony existential threats to stoke fear, there has never been anything bigger than the idea that unless progressives get enough taxation and regulation enacted, the world will get too hot and we'll all die.

While Lenin was torturing and butchering thousands, progressives told us it was a revolution of the proletariat. While Stalin and Mao were murdering tens of millions of their own countrymen, progressives lauded the fairness and equality of these societies. Chomsky went around college campuses for years denying that the Cambodian genocide ever happened. Communist China even today seems to be a favored model for the progressives running the US.

Muslims didn't create near as much havoc in the 20th century as communism did, but only because they had a down century. Over the past 1400 years, Islam has spilled more blood than any other ideology in human history. Tens of thousands of people are butchered every year in the name of Islam. When Baghdadi says this is a war between Muslims and non-Muslims, that coexistence is impossible, and that Islam is a religion of war, you had better believe him.

The only way to prove Baghdadi wrong is to "coexist" through distance. I strongly oppose any more meddling in the Middle East. Tell the Israelis they need to defend themselves. Remove restrictions on domestic drilling and pipeline construction. Open ANWAR. If you want to keep the freedoms of the society you live in, stop all Muslim immigration. Let them have their part of the world, and keep them out of ours.

Anonymous said...

STFU Josh. Grow a pair.

Uncle Renaldo said...

'Bin Laden' blames US for global warming

"All industrial nations, mainly the big ones, are responsible for the crisis of global warming," the latest tape says.

"This is a message to the whole world about those who are causing climate change, whether deliberately or not, and what we should do about that."

Bush the son, and the [US] Congress before him, rejected this [Kyoto Protocol] agreement only to satisfy the big companies
'Bin Laden' audio tape



The tape criticises the administration of former US President George W Bush for not ratifying the Kyoto Protocol on combating climate change.

"Bush the son, and the [US] Congress before him, rejected this agreement only to satisfy the big companies."

The tape also urges a boycott of the US dollar. "I know that there would be huge repercussions for that, but this would be the only way to free humankind from slavery... to America and its companies."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8487030.stm



Let's use moonbat logic for a sec.


Osama sounds a lot like purple cow, field negro, pilotx and all the left with those talking points.


Question is, did Osama get those talking points from field negro, purple cow, pilotx and the rest of the left? Or did the left get those talking points from Osama?


Let's don't forget how terrorists were cheerleading for Democrats in 2006 and 2008.

They also called Bush a war criminal and demanded he be tried and put to death. Just like field, purple cow and many on the left have done.

It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference between terrorists and the left.. Maybe that is why all muslim groups (charities, political, advocate)that have been linked to terrorism also have links to the democrat party.

Not all muslims are terrorists, but all muslim terrorists vote democrat and are supported by the left in this country and around the world.

That's if we use moonbat logic....




Right is Might said...

field negro said...
I suppose the American right isn't that hard to figure out after all.
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Neither is an American Left that reflexively sides with the country's enemies, even when that enemy represents the antithesis of every one of their own core tenets.

Your deal is that no matter what the facts, you hate white Christian America more than any conceivable alternative.

Any opinion you express can be derived directly from that belief.

PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...

This is what happens when a major political party allies itself with a large religious bloc. It works for now but as the US becomes less religious it doesn't bode well for the future of pandering to hyper-religiosity.

Bill said...


field negro said...
I suppose the American right isn't that hard to figure out after all.


Did you see that list of books osama bin laden was reading?

Same as the American left.


Talk about a coincidence.

On your knees said...

PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...
This is what happens when a major political party allies itself with a large religious bloc
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You are referring of course to the Democrat alliance to New Age Progressivism?

Bill is a F'n Idiot said...

Did you see that list of books osama bin laden was reading?

Same as the American left.

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You mean he wasn't reading Ayn Rand and the bible like all good lefties? Shocking.

Preacher Pete said...

You are referring of course to the Democrat alliance to New Age Progressivism?
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Nah, probably the end-times evangelical bullshit that Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee subscribe to.

Jim said...

Economic leftism, workers against capitalists, died with the Soviet Union. Now it is women and nonwhites against white heterosexual males.

American Hindus have extremely high incomes and are extremely reliable Democrat voters. Hindus are the opposite end of income and education spectrum to Mexicans, yet vote the same.

Old fashioned economic leftism doesn’t explain this.

And yet there is the sense that something is being redistributed.

The country itself is being redistributed from white heterosexual males to a coalition of almost everybody else. And it makes sense for any ambitious newcomer to try and get a piece of the action. Because they can.

Resentment isn’t absolutely necessary to partake in the spoils, but no one wants to consciously think he is just joining the looter coalition. So resentment is desired, and is speedily manufactured.

And since each white wants to be last to be fed to the crocodiles, the whites in the ruling coalition will echo that resentment with double the enthusiasm, and will each be twice as keen on feeding other whites in the ruling coalition to the crocodiles. The situation of white heterosexual males in the ruling elite is similar to that of Jews in the Bolshevik party or intellectuals in the Khmer Rouge. The Bolshevik party was pretty much all Jewish, and the Khmer Rouge pretty much all intellectuals, but the climate of hostility and suspicion directed at Jews among the Bolsheviks, and at intellectuals amongst the Khmer Rouge, was such that they were busily purging each other, until none were left.

Jim said...

"Yet another strike against the principle of foreign intervention. The devil you don't know is often considerably worse than the one you are trying to cast out. And Obama has unleashed quite a devil in ISIS."

Obama is of course a Muslim, progressive, and anticolonialist who hates America and wishes to see America defeated, but allowing Ramadi, and indeed Iraq, to be lost was pretty sensible.

The underlying Bush theory was that Iraq would become a well run democracy, like Switzerland, where the Shia majority elected nice moderate progressives, thereby counterbalancing the dangerous influence of the Shia religious crazies in Iran. The middle east would become moderate progressive, rather than Muslim.

As it worked out the elected government Shia government in Iraq was oppressive and intolerant, its primary function being to distribute goodies to voting blocks. The populace conspicuously failed to throw flowers at our troops. The Sunni murderously hated us for removing them from power. The Shia hated us for revealing to the world their incapacity to rule. The influence of Iran keeps them saner – well, less insane – than they would otherwise be.

Progressives, including Obama, misremembered Bush as saying “We will go in to steal their oil”, and so believed that when they were running things, instead of Bush, then the locals would throw flowers at us and elect nice moderate progressives. Thus, “Arab Spring”, which was Bush on steroids with double the already grating optimism. They then discovered that the Iraqi willingness to elect moderate progressives was proportional to US willingness to kick ass, and the locals figured the progressives had no will to kick ass.

Tunisia is perhaps proceeding to democratic progressivism, as originally envisaged in Arab Spring. Morocco is undemocratically proceeding to progressivism because the King commands progressivism. The rest of the countries of the Arab spring were disasters.

The past history of progressive kings is that usually the King gets violently overthrown, is remembered as an incredibly brutal reactionary, and is replaced by a horrifying tyranny, but so far Tunisia and Morroco are working out OK – for progressives. Rest of the progressive plan is going to hell.

Anonymous said...

FP, "what if i told you that some of US here can see the spirits on folk?"

what can you tell about the spirits of folks? Does it make a difference whether you can see spirits or not? Are spirits the same as souls?


FP, "we are at the beginning. Yah Almighty is giving folk a chance to pull it on in + come in.

the wicked will NOT be acquitted.

this is why they would be wise to quit it.

but these demons ALREADY know."


If they ALREADY know, why not repent and go with God? why not leave Lucifer and his crazy notion of conquering God? That seems absurd UNLESS he really thinks he can do it. However, if he already knows he has lost, why keep it up?


FP, "they just want to see how many they can get to go with their demonic flow.

a soul snatch in full effect."


If it's useless and has no redeeming value whatsoever, what's the point of continuing against the Almighty? UNLESS, there is a possibility of a 'win'.


FP, "to stand in fear, is to be in disobedience to the Most High.

He is Real clear that this is NOT what we are called to do. this is not the Spirit He gave you..."

I certainly don't won't to live in fear. Nevertheless, I am afraid and I do pray. But maybe I haven't prayed rightly.

What does it mean to pray? HOW should I pray?

BTW, if you are NEITHER Muslim or Christian, what religion are you? I am neither either. However, Christ the Spirit, seems and feels to be a Way to the Truth and Life. The Buddha seems to be a Path, although I must say it's losing groundm a lot of ground in the far East. In fact, Western values and attitudes are turning eastern people 'away' from Buddhism. It's almost dead.

Today, I am trusting my heart. Listening for the voice of God. Still, I am STILL afraid. I am now praying to God to teach me how to pray...thanks to you.

Have you heard of the Course in Miracles?

Anonymous said...

Blogger PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...
This is what happens when a major political party allies itself with a large religious bloc. It works for now but as the US becomes less religious it doesn't bode well for the future of pandering to hyper-religiosity.

11:31 AM
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Of course, if you are talking about the White power structure, and White people...This is true.

Of course, if you are talking about the White power structure, then it's true. But it's not true for POCs. However, it is understandable that would think otherwise... You have made it clear from past comments that you are a fundamental 'atheist' along with a passion for the degrading word "blah".


Fyi, Blacks are becoming more religious. They attend church more. They pray more. They praise God more today than any other time in history. In fact, 'Africans' around the world are turning more to religion. I would suspect that Latinos do also.

How do you explain that?

Bill said...


“People think San Francisco is an island of progressive thinking,” he said, but San Francisco “has the fastest-growing income inequality of any city in the nation,” he said, citing a Brookings Institution study. “Medium- and low-income people are being left behind,” Mr. Campos said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/23/us/high-rents-elbow-latinos-from-san-franciscos-mission-district.html?_r=0

San Francisco is an island of progressive thinking.

And that's why Blacks and now Hispanics are being pushed out in the name of gentrification.

Of course the fastest-growing income inequality of any city in the nation is in an island of progressive thinking.

Josh said...

"Fyi, Blacks are becoming more religious. They attend church more. They pray more. They praise God more today than any other time in history. In fact, 'Africans' around the world are turning more to religion. I would suspect that Latinos do also.

How do you explain that?"


It's hard to explain why so many people turn to religion. It's an evolutionary tick that, ironically enough, seems to be most pronounced in people who have less. It's a creature comfort that's free. A lot of it is also rooted in vanity.

The real question: Why do so many who turn to God and religion live as blatant hypocrites; e.g. claiming to love God and have Jesus in their hearts but live, to their context, more of a sinful, Devil's lifestyle?

Whatever the reason(s), we see what we've seen from the beginning of time: Religion doesn't pay anyone's bills* or help anyone's illnesses or get anyone out of a jam. Though if it's comforting on a mental level, ah salute. The hope most non-religious people have is that the religious majority don't decide to become totalitarians in an attempt to force democracies into theocracies.

*Televangelists and those snake-oil salesmen notwithstanding.

The Fergutroids said...

Progressives want diversity, but only as long as it forced on Bad White People.

Anonymous said...

"The hope most non-religious people have is that the religious majority don't decide to become totalitarians in an attempt to force democracies into theocracies."

You are speaking of Muslims?

PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...

"How do you explain that?"

Certain people of color are religious while some are not. Latinos are becoming less Catholic and this is exemplified in their voting patterns as well. As far as blah men we are also becoming less religious at least in this country. Check the churches, they are attended by majority blah women and fewer men, at least in the US. There are several reasons for the expansion of Christianity in foreign lands but my focus today was the US and its influence in our politics. Even with the influence of religion on many blah people there wasn't much traction in the GOP with the exception of 2004 when GWB put the faith based initiatives into place and flooded blah churches with money and got a few gullible votes.

PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...

"Progressives want diversity, but only as long as it forced on Bad White People."

Uh, well if that's the area that's not diverse that's where it's needed.

Anonymous said...

PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...
"Progressives want diversity, but only as long as it forced on Bad White People."

Uh, well if that's the area that's not diverse that's where it's needed
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Why is a neighborhood that is too white a problem to be solved?

Why do blacks need to live near whites?

Is Detroit "diverse" enough?

Anonymous said...

"Uh, well if that's the area that's not diverse that's where it's needed."

The black population of San Francisco has fallen by more than half over the past 40 years, and now stands at 6%.

Progressives have created less "diversity". Go figure.

Sword of the Prophet said...

Liberalism is the modern form of Gnosticism. Gnostics were "people who knew", and their knowledge at once constituted them a superior class of beings, whose present and future status was essentially different from that of those who, for whatever reason, did not know. Think Purple Cow. Liberals proceed not based on facts as they are, rather they assume their beliefs are so true that facts can be made to conform to them.

Thus we have a President who tells graduating military officers that their greatest enemy is Global Warming. That the adherents of a religion that calls for the murder of nonadherents represent the Religion of Peace.

Eric Voegelin saw this all in 1952:

Gnostic societies and their leaders will recognize dangers to their existence when they develop, but such dangers will not be met by appropriate actions in the world of reality. They will rather be met by magic operations in the dream world, such as disapproval, moral condemnation, declarations of intentions, resolutions, appeals to the opinion of mankind, branding of enemies as aggressors, outlawing of war, propaganda for world peace and world government, etc. The intellectual and moral corruption which expresses itself in the aggregate of such magic operations may pervade a society with the weird, ghostly atmosphere of a lunatic asylum, as we experience it in our time in the Western crisis.

Anonymous said...

29 shot and 9 killed in Baltimore over the weekend, but apparently, none of them were shot by the police, so ……. http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/25/baltimore-bloodshed-continues-28-shot-9-dead-over-holiday-weekend/

Uncle Renaldo said...

What does Al-Qaida and field negro, purple cow and the rest of the left have in common?

They all hate Fox News.

Drake said...

"Why is a neighborhood that is too white a problem to be solved?"

Everything whites do is put under a microscope and criticized in adversarial fashion. Everything whites do is judged to be a problem.

This pattern of comprehensive adversarial critique is how anti-white bigotry works.

In this process, whites are never acknowledged to have interests of their own. The exclusive focus is on how whites hurt others.

Whites should be able to create culture that focuses on themselves and explores their interests (just like every other group.)

A balanced critique that treated whites as human would say something like “this aspect of white culture is beneficial because it benefits whites and fulfills their real needs, but it also has these effects on minorities. Both sides need to be taken into account and balanced when judging its overall value.”

But of course that isn’t what they write. The exclusive focus is about what happens to nonwhites, they are treated as the only people who matter. If this happened once, it would be excusable. When it happens over and over, it represents a pattern of prejudice.

The left never comes out and literally says “whites are subhuman”, but their pattern of criticism amounts to the same thing. It is anti-white bigotry.

Uncle Renaldo said...

News out of Chiraq you won't see or hear field or pilotx talk about...


12 Killed, 43 Wounded In Memorial Day Weekend Shootings

CHICAGO (STMW) — Twelve people were killed and at least 43 — including a 4-year-old girl — were wounded in shootings across Chicago this Memorial Day weekend, police said.
The 4-year-old, identified by her family as Jacele Johnson, was shot about 8 p.m. Friday in the West Englewood neighborhood. She and her 17-year-old cousin Romare Wilson were inside an SUV in the 7000 block of South Justine when another vehicle pulled up and someone inside opened fire, according to their family and Chicago Police.
The girl was shot in the head and taken to Comer Children’s Hospital in critical condition, authorities said. She has since been upgraded to fair condition, a hospital spokeswoman said Monday morning.



http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/05/26/12-killed-43-wounded-in-memorial-day-weekend-shootings/


What about these young people field?


PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...

"Why is a neighborhood that is too white a problem to be solved?

Why do blacks need to live near whites?

Is Detroit "diverse" enough?"

You took the term "area" way to literal. I was referring to areas such as employment, government and other areas in which whites kept others out of. As far as white areas they were created years ago with redlining and other creative ways to allow whites to purchase property and homes while excluding others. I guess blunt instruments are now needed because past racism affects modern times. Sad state of affairs.

The Fixer said...

Everything blahs do is put under a microscope and criticized in adversarial fashion. Everything blahs do is judged to be a problem.


There, fixed it for ya.

The Fixer said...

Conservatives proceed not based on facts as they are, rather they assume their beliefs are so true that facts can be made to conform to them.

There, fixed it for ya.

The Fixer said...

The right comes out and literally says “blahs are subhuman”, and their pattern of criticism amounts to the same thing. It is anti-blah bigotry.

Fixed another.

Kinky is a racist said...

News out of Chiraq you won't see or hear field or pilotx talk about...
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Because we have racist assholes like Kinky who delight in giving us the latest news about blahs being killed. Funny, I bet we won't hear about the shooting in a Walmart in North Dakota from Kinky unless it involves a blah person. Funny that. All racist assholes are the same.

Teh stupid said...

Thus we have a President who tells graduating military officers that their greatest enemy is Global Warming.
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He was referring to a report created by the Pentagon but racist dumbassed assholes don't go outside of their hate the blah man in the White House boxes much to get the real ideas.

Josh said...

"You are speaking of Muslims?"

I'm speaking of all religious populations.

It's not exactly like Christians haven't reigned tyrannical on America previous. Slavery was a perversion of scripture for justification. Prohibition the same. The drug war... Not granting equal protection in the government hijacked idea of "marriage" is also rooted only in religion. The idea that fathers are poor custodial guardians beyond providing financial support for children is a gross abomination and hybrid of Christians feeling women are inferior and feminists feeling men are inferior. Christian men want women in the home, and feminists want men out of children's lives, so viola -- we have the most fucked-up family court system on the planet: Men forced to pay, even if wrongly named as the parent, and an incredibly short leash, while women are 100% free to have as many children as they can ever have biologically, while the taxpayer foots the bill.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/14/us/pentagon-says-global-warming-presents-immediate-security-threat.html?_r=0

Uncle Renaldo said...

PilotX:Freeing slaves from the Republican plantation since the 70's said...

. I was referring to areas such as employment, government and other areas in which whites kept others out of




What areas are these? Examples please. And ways YT be keeping you out?

If it ain't broke said...

Liberals proceed not based on facts as they are, rather they assume their beliefs are so true that facts can be made to conform to them.

There, fixed it for ya.

Ironymous said...

Liberal irrationality is lost on the moronic fixer.

Anonymous said...

Josh said...
It's not exactly like Christians haven't reigned tyrannical on America previous. Slavery was a perversion of scripture for justification. Prohibition the same. The drug war...
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America was a tyrannical theocracy exactly when? Slavery existed before Christianity. The fact that it violated Christian universalism required scriptural contortions to justify it - no other religions had any problems with slavery, and it was the Christian West that finally abolished it.

Prohibition was a Progessive Movement. Look it up.

Feminism is a branch of Cultural Marxism and the destruction of the family is a feature, not a bug. You can directly observe what subsidizing narcissistic female proclivities has done to society.

You feel compelled to trash Christianity because you think within the dominant Progressive mythology. The coming Christian Theocracy is not what you should be fearing, rather it is the ever expanding soft tyranny of the Social Justice Warrior Nanny State.

If it ani't broke. said...

Anonymous The Fixer said...

Everything whites do is put under a microscope and criticized in adversarial fashion. Everything whites do is judged to be a problem.


There, fixed it for ya.


Which is what this blog is all about

The Commander in Cheese said...

"He was referring to a report created by the Pentagon but racist dumbassed assholes don't go outside of their hate the blah man in the White House boxes much to get the real ideas."

Who does the Pentagon work for?

Josh said...

"You feel compelled to trash Christianity..."

No. You feel compelled to defend it as completely and utterly innocent and innocuous, insisting that what I really means it that Muslims are bad.

You're attempting to force my thoughts on the situation into your exceedingly biased frame of reference; e.g. Christians as dindu nuffins...

"...rather it is the ever expanding soft tyranny of the Social Justice Warrior Nanny State"

This is the number-one problem of you people who read, in a selective context, one single post from a person whom you do not know and subsequently feign an expert assessment of that person's entire life and complete ideology. Jumping the gun, as it were.

Anyone who knows me and reads often my posts here understands fully that I'm 100% against the progressive nanny state and this social-justice bullshit. But in being so, that doesn't mean I must ignore the fact that Christians have previously and can easily in the future threaten Americans' freedoms based on the tyranny of a majority and forced morality.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. I can break everyone's balls because, unlike a lot of narrow thinking people, I don't view the world's collective issues as an either-or dichotomy. And that you do isn't something you should be projecting onto me.

I'm not "trashing" Christianity in the least. You're just one of the many easily butthurt Christians who cannot abide anyone offering a critical take on the religion you were geographically thrust into. That's strictly a you issue; why does it need to be turned into a me issue?

Anonymous said...

"Anyone who knows me and reads often my posts here understands fully that I'm 100% against the progressive nanny state and this social-justice bullshit."

Far be it from to argue with a man over what he believes, but when you regurgitate progressive agitprop on Christianity, you show that you operate within the confines of Progressive thought. If you stick your neck out of the Overton window too far, you risk getting your head chopped off when it lurches leftward again.

I'm not Christian, but I know that there is absolutely no threat posed by a coming Christian tyranny. The Culture War is over, and the Left won. We are in the mopping up phase, where the resistance is being rounded up and shot on Buzzfeed and Upworthy,

"I can break everyone's balls because, unlike a lot of narrow thinking people, I don't view the world's collective issues as an either-or dichotomy"

How big of you, broad-minded person. Maybe instead of breaking everyone's balls, you should focus on those who are working on forcing an either-or dichotomy on everybody.

The Purple Cow said...

Uncle Renaldo said...

"What does Al-Qaida and field negro, purple cow and the rest of the left have in common?

They all hate Fox News."


One thing I know for sure, :l Qa'eda does not hate FoxNews. :L Qa'eda philosophy is based on the teachings of guys like Sayiid Qubt. Qubt as we educated people all know, was deeply influenced by the same 19th Century German Romantisist
writers that inspired the rise of 1930's Fascism.

It's through the influence of Qubt and others that Osama bin Laden developed his intense hatred of godless socialists and communists, first becoming an activist when he spent tens of millions of Rials of his own personal fortune promoting the guerrilla war against the Soviet Union and it's communist allies in Afghanistan.

This is what Quit had to say about Marxism, it neatly ties up Islamist thinking on Socialism and Marxism.

"Democracy in the West has become infertile to such an extent that it is borrowing from the systems of the Eastern bloc, especially in the economic system, under the name of socialism. It is the same with the Eastern bloc. Its social theories, foremost among which is Marxism, in the beginning attracted not only a large number of people from the East but also from the West, as it was a way of life based on a creed. But now Marxism is defeated on the plane of thought, and if it is stated that not a single nation in the world is truly Marxist, it will not be an exaggeration. On the whole this theory conflicts with man's nature and its needs. This ideology prospers only in a degenerate society or in a society which has become cowed as a result of some form of prolonged dictatorship. But now, even under these circumstances, its materialistic economic system is failing, although this was the only foundation on which its structure was based. Russia, which is the leader of the communist countries, is itself suffering from shortages of food. Although during the times of the Tsars Russia used to produce surplus food, it now has to import food from abroad and has to sell its reserves of gold for this purpose. The main reason for this is the failure of the system of collective farming, or, one can say, the failure of a system which is against human nature."

source: Sayiid Qubt, Ma'alim fi-l-Tariq,

Josh said...

"you should focus on those who are working on forcing an either-or dichotomy on everybody"

Twas what I was doing..

"but when you regurgitate progressive agitprop on Christianity..."

What? Like:

- Christians using the Biblical okaying of slavery and the Ham nonsense to justify the keeping of other individuals as slaves? Nobody said Christians started it; but surely it's not progressive propaganda to point out the fact that Christians used their holy book to practice it while remaining "righteous," in their estimation, in the eyes of God.

- A revised sense of Puritan morality in the early 1900s being responsible for the Prohibition of spirits, and even still today being responsible for the costly, losing effort drug war? That's progressive nonsense to point out that Christians attempt often to force their idea of morality on the nation?

These things are just anti-Christian progressive talking points? Well, forgive me for thinking you're a butthurt Christian from taking offense to these things being put on the shoulders of Christians.

"but I know that there is absolutely no threat posed by a coming Christian tyranny."

Not so simple. Imagine, if you will, that places like Texas and Mississippi become the American norm in their willful ignorance in teaching the Bible in school and removing actual science. What effect do you suppose that would have in two more generations?

I choose not to exist in a world were current comforts blind me to what could possibly happen. If that's how you want to go through your day to day, ah salute. I don't begrudge it in the slightest. But let us never forget: The Arab world was the foremost authority in math and science for centuries, until they started preaching that that sort of knowledge was of the devil and that Allah didn't want them doing such. The rest, as they say, is history. To think that history cannot repeat itself simply because America has things like colored television and air conditioning is the wrong way to look at it. Religions always pose a danger of reestablishing a stronghold on a nation.

There still exist in America today many counties in which alcohol is banned, books are banned, certain sex acts are illegal, etc. I see no immediate danger of it spreading. But to just shrug one's shoulders and assume it can't is a bit foolish.

Besides, if you follow the context of my comments here, I wasn't out to break Christians' balls or deride the religion. Someone asked why so many blacks were Christians, and I offered up my opinion on that. I ended that comment with: "The hope most non-religious people have is that the religious majority don't decide to become totalitarians in an attempt to force democracies into theocracies."

Then someone quoted just that bit and asked: "You are speaking of Muslims?"

So, I simply pointed out that it's not just Muslims who use religion to force their will on folks. Muslims may be the number-one violators today, but that doesn't let other religions off the hook.

Anonymous said...

"Christians using the Biblical okaying of slavery and the Ham nonsense to justify the keeping of other individuals as slaves? "

Some Christians justified slavery based on their interpretation of the Bible. More Christians considered slavery to be immoral based on their interpretation of the Bible. There was never such an argument in Islam.

"Not so simple. Imagine, if you will, that places like Texas and Mississippi become the American norm in their willful ignorance in teaching the Bible in school and removing actual science"

Actual science like Global Warming? In any event, there are no public schools in either Mississippi or Texas teaching the Bible in school.

"A revised sense of Puritan morality in the early 1900s being responsible for the Prohibition of spirits, and even still today being responsible for the costly, losing effort drug war?"

Progressivism is a direct descendant of Puritanism. It is Christianity 3.0, a religion without God. See:

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/ultracalvinist-hypothesis-in.html

"There still exist in America today many counties in which alcohol is banned, books are banned, certain sex acts are illegal, etc"

If given the choice between that and being rounded up like a kulak, I'd take it. But you have to know that the specter of Christian takeover of America is pretty far-fetched, while the left is becoming ever more overt as to their ultimate intentions, right?

Josh said...

"There was never such an argument in Islam."

Look. You obviously decided from my first ever comment that you were going to use Islam as the standard bearer. And that's fine; such is your right. But why must you continue to drag anything I write through your context? With the worst elements of Islam used as your control, obviously there's nothing anyone could say that could put a stink on anything else. You have rigged the game preemptively with that as your gauge. And, again, that's fine. If that's how you want to carry it, ah salute. But you continue to attempt to hold me to your chosen standard of judging religions by juxtaposing everything else (A-Z.x) vs. things like Islamic theocracies. It basically amounts to relative privation.

That's not going to work out...

Anonymous said...

"But why must you continue to drag anything I write through your context?"

You set the context of asserting that some sort of Christian tyranny held sway in America at some point in the past, which simply is not true in any real sense. Your original premise also linked the institution of slavery to Christianity, which is a spurious correlation.

Forget Islam. Use Hinduism, Judaism or Buddhism, none of which had any problem with human bondage. The point was that it was the Christian West that banished slavery from the globe.

Paranoid white guy said...

Everything whites do is put under a microscope and criticized in adversarial fashion. Everything whites do is judged to be a problem.
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This is true. Oh no, a black helicopter. See, if it was a white helicopter I'd be ok.

The military industrial complex said...

Who does the Pentagon work for?
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Us.

Teh stupid said...

Actual science like Global Warming? In any event, there are no public schools in either Mississippi or Texas teaching the Bible in school.
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Because we all know global warming isn't science. Forget the fact that the vast majority of climate scientists are convinced if the science. We'd rather believe Rush Limbaugh and his acute scientific mind to determine what is science and what is not. I mean for god's sake Sen. James Mountain Inhoff made a snowball in the winter. Global warming is a hoax by the UN and all the scientists who support it are bought off by Obama and Al Gore. Hell, there are even websites with graphs and such that prove I'm right!

Teh stupid said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/29/education/creationists-on-texas-panel-for-biology-textbooks.html?_r=0

"AUSTIN, Tex. — One is a nutritionist who believes “creation science” based on biblical principles should be taught in the classroom. Another is a chemical engineer who is listed as a “Darwin Skeptic” on the Web site of the Creation Science Hall of Fame. A third is a trained biologist who also happens to be a fellow of the Discovery Institute, the Seattle-based center of the intelligent-design movement and a vice president at an evangelical ministry in Plano, Tex.

As Texas gears up to select biology textbooks for use by high school students over the next decade, the panel responsible for reviewing submissions from publishers has stirred controversy because a number of its members do not accept evolution and climate change as scientific truth."

"In the state whose governor, Rick Perry, boasted as a candidate for president that his schools taught both creationism and evolution, the State Board of Education, which includes members who hold creationist views, helped nominate several members of the textbook review panel. Others were named by parents and educators. Prospective candidates could also nominate themselves. The state’s education commissioner, Michael L. Williams, a Perry appointee and a conservative Republican, made the final appointments to the 28-member panel. Six of them are known to reject evolution."

Teh stupid said...

http://ncse.com/news/2010/01/antievolution-legislation-mississippi-005283

"A bill in Mississippi is apparently the first antievolution bill of 2010. House Bill 586, introduced on January 12, 2010, and referred to the House Education Committee, would, if enacted, require local school boards to include a lesson on human evolution at the beginning of their high school biology classes. The catch: "The lesson provided to students ... shall have proportionately equal instruction from educational materials that present scientifically sound arguments by protagonists and antagonists of the theory of evolution."

The bill also would amend a section of existing state law that provides, "No local school board, school superintendent or school principal shall prohibit a public school classroom teacher from discussing and answering questions from individual students on the origin of life," by adding, apparently unnecessarily, "except that any discussion of the evolution of humanity shall be required to be given by a biology teacher, as required by Section 1 of this act." The legislative history of that section of state law suggests that it was intended to allow or encourage the presentation of antievolution material in science classes, as NCSE previously reported.

The sponsor of HB 586, Gary Chism (R-District 37), introduced HB 25 in 2009. The bill, if enacted, would have required biology textbooks in the state to include a hybrid of two previous versions of the Alabama evolution disclaimer. Speaking to the Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal (January 24, 2009), Chism was candid about his motivations for the bill, explaining, "Either you believe in the Genesis story, or you believe that a fish walked on the ground," and adding, "All these molecules didn't come into existence by themselves." HB 25 died in committee on February 3, 2009."

Teh Smarter said...

Science is never "settled". Facts are not voted on, they are proven.

Well proven concepts such the structure of the atom and the first law of thermodynamics can be accepted as proven because of innumerable experimental validations, but they are never "settled".

Global Warming is just a theory. As has been no discernible warming in over 18 years, it cannot be said to validated, let alone settled.

People with much to gain are bent on convincing the masses that insufficient taxation and regulation are making the earth warmer and that economic freedom causes bad weather. Uh...no.

Calling people who dispute your theory "deniers" just paints you for what you are: A religious zealot bent on imposing your belief system using the force of government.

Fuck you commie.

Kinky is a racist said...

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-racist-housing-policy-that-made-your-neighborhood/371439/

"One of the most heinous of these policies was introduced by the creation of the Federal Housing Administration in 1934, and lasted until 1968. Otherwise celebrated for making homeownership accessible to white people by guaranteeing their loans, the FHA explicitly refused to back loans to black people or even other people who lived near black people. As TNC puts it, "Redlining destroyed the possibility of investment wherever black people lived."

There ya go.

Bullshit detector said...

Global Warming is just a theory. As has been no discernible warming in over 18 years, it cannot be said to validated, let alone settled.
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Oh really? You wanna link us to a site or do we just trust that you are a climatologist? Just like a "smart" conservative, spew bullshit without evidence.

Conservative dogma said...

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-information/climate-change-and-variability

"According to the third U.S. National Climate Assessment, “Global climate is changing and this is apparent across the United States in a wide range of observations. The global warming of the past 50 years is primarily due to human activities, predominantly the burning of fossil fuels.”

This is according to actual climate scientists not "smart" assholes who post stupid shit without knowing anything about climate science.

teh even smarter said...

"Evidence for changes in Earth’s climate can be found from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans. Researchers from around the world have compiled this evidence using satellites, weather balloons, thermometers at surface stations, and many other types of observing systems that monitor the Earth’s weather and climate. The sum total of this evidence tells an unambiguous story: the planet is warming."

http://nca2014.globalchange.gov/highlights/report-findings/our-changing-climate

Josh said...

"which simply is not true in any real sense."


I suppose with those preemptive parameters, there's no way to argue against "any real sense" save an actual theocracy. Never mind people being arrested for indecency if they spoke ill of religion in public, or witch trials, or religions established chasing out Mormons, and a thousand other examples, they'll never constitute "any real sense." So, again, this is the context you're setting as the standard, and my comments are being dragged through that filter.

"Your original premise also linked the institution of slavery to Christianity, which is a spurious correlation..."

There are only so many ways I can say this: Again, this is YOUR context, which asserted, essentially, that if Christianity didn't itself INVENT slavery, then it cannot be called "Christian" for European whites, all of whom were Christians, to tweak their understanding of the Bible until which point they felt validated in human trafficking and in the owning of fellow human beings to create their economies.

You're being so incredibly kind to Christian cruelty of old that you not actually being a Christian is becoming something impossible for me to take your word for.

Things like American slavery and Manifest Destiny can be tied directly to the religious populous feelings of the time that these white Europeans were entitled to America and entitled, because of their God and how they interpreted their religion, to seize people and lands to continue the spread of the righteous believers throughout the new landscape.

And am I actually busting Christians' balls for that? Of course I'm not. But these points of fact are being so downplayed by yourself that priest shuffling looks like justice in comparison.

Conservative dogma said...

Fuck you commie.
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Oh the genius of conservatives never ends.

Anonymous said...

There was nothing morally wrong with Manifest Destiny.

Detroited said...

"Redlining destroyed the possibility of investment wherever black people lived."

Gee, why would anyone not want to live around a lot black people?

Teh Much Smarter said...

Bullshit detector said...
Global Warming is just a theory. As has been no discernible warming in over 18 years, it cannot be said to validated, let alone settled.
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Oh really? You wanna link us to a site or do we just trust that you are a climatologist? Just like a "smart" conservative, spew bullshit without evidence.
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/satellite-data-no-global-warming-past-18-years

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/02/its-official-no-global-warming-for-18-years-1-month/

http://humanevents.com/2014/10/07/no-global-warming-for-18-years/

http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/09/07/global-warming-pause-extends-to-17-years-11-months/

The Purple Cow said...

"Global Warming is just a theory. As has been no discernible warming in over 18 years..."

Errrmmm, 2014 was the hottest year in global history.

teh even smarter said...

Oh teh stupid continues. Should have known this "smart" person would link us to Anthony Watt's site. Anthony Watts has no science degree. he attended Purdue University but there is no record of him finishing.
Climatedepot.com is run by Marc Moreno who has a political science degree from George Mason but here is where it gets interesting. He was a correspondent for Rush Limbaugh and was the communications director for James Mountain Inhofe.
Not sure what cns "news" is but wanna bet it's a conservative site and betting the same for humanevents.
Why can't conservatives ever use legitimate sites with actual scientists? Jesus, it's like they're addicted to biased non-scientific information. Of the four sites not one run by an actual climatologist. Shocking huh?

teh even smarter said...

Errrmmm, 2014 was the hottest year in global history.
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Nuh uh, Marc Moreno and Anthony Watts say it's not true! Take that Cow!

Josh said...

I'm 35, so I've lived over 1,820 weeks. So, let's spot "trends" from my time. I once went for a nine-week span on a low-carb diet. Is that statistically trending on no carbs? Well, maybe if you sectioned off that nine-week period and only left a couple dozen weeks on either side. Though in context, it's next to nothing.

One of the first things one really comes to grips with in evolutionary biology is the scale of geological time and how accurately to chart it for representation.

..............................1.........

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To the left of 1, ancient climate readings; to the right of 1, current. To people who chart "trends," there's a tendency to create their charts looking more like:

1..

1..

Thus they only carve out a small snippet of climate in time--always a very modern period--to say that we're trending in X. But it cuts both ways. The doomsayers who predict Florida will flood do it too. They'll take their snippets and say, "See! We're fucked!" And the other side takes their strategic snippet and shouts, "See! No warming!"

The earth is over 4 billion years old. How do you get a "trend" in any direction using 18 years? That's far less reliable than judging the entire trend of a four-season year by a 5-minute period of a single day.

Teh stupid said...

"Human Events takes its name from the first sentence of the United States Declaration of Independence: "When in the course of human events...".[1]

The magazine was published in Washington, D.C., most recently by Eagle Publishing, the owner of Regnery Publishing, a subsidiary of Phillips Publishing. Thomas S. Winter was editor-in-chief and Cathy Taylor was editorial director of the print edition.[2]

Regular writers included Robert Novak, Ann Coulter, Terence P. Jeffrey, Pat Buchanan, and John Gizzi, its chief political editor. Occasional contributors have included Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, and Paul Craig Roberts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Events

Holy fuck, this idiot is getting scientific information from a site that boasts Ann coulter and Sean Hannity as contributors. This shit gets even better. Conservatives are sooooooooooo anti-science it's pathetic.

"Cybercast News Service (also known as CNSNews.com) is a conservative American news website founded by L. Brent Bozell III and owned by Media Research Center, Bozell's Reston, Virginia-based organization."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybercast_News_Service

Oh teh stupid is strong in this one.

Anonymous said...

The earth is over 4 billion years old. How do you get a "trend" in any direction using 18 years?
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Which is why climate scientists use 30 year climate normals. This is taken into account by climatologists Josh.

Go Pack Go said...

Muslims should be eradicated from this country. Its way too good for them.
Also, name me ONE GOOD THING that has ever come from a Muslim, or from the Islamic world. I'll be waiting...

Josh said...

"or from the Islamic world. I'll be waiting..."

Algebra...

Most of the stars' names (a lot of astronomy)...

Girls in a perpetual state of Halloween. Va-va-voom!...

Josh said...

"Which is why climate scientists use 30 year climate normals. This is taken into account by climatologists Josh."

Climatology is something I know next to nothing about, so if they're able to adjust accurately based on 30-year intervals, then so be it. I'm sure they can navigate such a snippet. It doesn't work like that elsewhere, however. In evolutionary biology, for example, 30 years is barely a generation and you'd have to trace lineage back for half a dozen generations to spot any sort of anomaly or change or trend in species.

I'm not sure WTF a 30-year snippet can tell anyone about anything for the planet's climate, but if they have it down, they have it down. Notwithstanding the hit-or-miss accuracy of weathermen on a day-to-day basis, I suppose some of them actually know what they're doing. I'm not qualified to say otherwise.

Anonymous said...

Islam has invented nothing. All their "discoveries" came from conquered Greek and Indian societies.

Teh Incredibly Smarter said...

Fake PilotX said...
Of the four sites not one run by an actual climatologist.
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Dispute the data, not the credentials.

You deny that there has been an 18+ year "pause" in Global Warming?

Anonymous said...

So if a neighborhood in the USA was 99% black and the government flooded it with Burmese immigrants you would be cool with that?

After all that neighborhood isn't exactly diverse is it?

Anonymous said...

Only the approved government priesthood can speak on matters of dogma for the Truth of the Church of Climate Alarmism.

Anonymous said...

In recorded history you clown. I would bet that Earth was a lot warmer when the dinosaurs were walking around.

Anonymous said...

Go do some reading you fuckwit.

Anonymous said...

A lot of comments about religion.

And JOSH trashes the beliefs and faiths of people who pray. I wonder how close JOSH is to Lucifer? He sounds like he is a high level illumati.

Just who does JOSH think he is? Who is he to declare that there is no God?

Where is FP when you need her?

Josh said...

"He sounds like he is a high level illumati."

The 'tard is strong in this one.

And don't insult my order. That would be Illuminati, not illumati. If you're gonna be a conspiracy theorist, at least be a literate one.

"Who is he to declare that there is no God?"

1) I've declared no such thing, so save the bullshit. I'm a skeptic and don't hide that. But I don't make such definitive declarations about such things; notwithstanding that I, unlike most religious people, understand perfectly the identity of indiscernibles and installing a redundancy where a redundancy need not belong. That's as far as I go with it. Take from that what you must.

2) And who are you declare that there is? Delusional? A liar? What...

Anonymous said...

The Purple Cow said...
"Global Warming is just a theory. As has been no discernible warming in over 18 years..."

Errrmmm, 2014 was the hottest year in global history.
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Ridiculous...

teh even smarter said...

Dispute the data, not the credentials.

You deny that there has been an 18+ year "pause" in Global Warming?
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What data? the data you can only find on conservative "news" sites? Yes, there is no pause and only fucking idiots claim such.

teh even smarter said...

http://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/why-did-earth%E2%80%99s-surface-temperature-stop-rising-past-decade

Teh stupid said...

A dimwitted conservative with no training in atmospheric science using posts from a site run by a conservative with no atmospheric science training. What could possibly go wrong.

Teh stupid said...

"ClimateDepot.com is being financed by the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a nonprofit in Washington that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues. Public tax filings for 2003-7 (the last five years for which documents are available) show that the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the ExxonMobil Foundation and foundations associated with the billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, a longtime financier of conservative causes, including being the primary source of money used to fund attacks against Bill Clinton during the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky eras of his presidency [1]. According to a report issued by the Union of Concerned Scientists, from 1998-2005, approximately 23% of the total ExxonMobil funding for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow was directed by ExxonMobil for climate change activities [p. 32]."
"ClimateDepot.com is the website of Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow employee Marc Morano, a conservative global warming denier who previously served as environmental communications director for a vocal political denier of climate change, Republican Sen. James Inhofe. Launched in spring 2009, Climate Depot claimed it would be "the Senate EPW website on steroids," and "the most comprehensive information center on climate news and the related issues of environment and energy."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Climate_Depot

"Despite having no credentials in climate science -- Morano holds a B.A. in political science -- he is touted as a climate change expert and makes frequent public appearances on conservative media outlets such as Fox News and the Rush Limbaugh Show. The Heartland Institute lists Morano as an expert, and he frequently speaks at their annual climate change conference."

http://www.exposethebastards.com/who_is_marc_morano

Typical, the "expert" conservatives use to dispute global warming has a degree in poly sci. SMDH. Oh well, what do you expect from anti-science conservatives?

Anonymous said...

Globing Warming Alarmists are the real climate change "deniers" because they ascribe all changes to human activity and deny that the climate changes on its own, despite the science that shows it has changed dramatically across earth's history before man existed.

There has been no warming trend in 18 years, despite this being period when the most CO2 ever was released into the atmosphere. The Global Warming theory has been debunked.