Sunday, January 24, 2010

Exciting neighborhood tours!

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I know that we are in a recession, and that we have to do what we can to get our hustle on. But charging tourist to tour gang infested neighborhoods? Look, I am all for making an honest living, but seriously, couldn't tourist visiting L.A. just settle for the home of the stars and the Hollywood walk of fame?
 
"Passengers paying $65 a head Saturday signed waivers acknowledging they could be crime victims and put their fate in the hands of tattooed ex-gang members who say they have negotiated a cease-fire among rivals in the most violent gangland in America. If that sounds daunting, consider the challenge facing organizers of LA Gang Tours: trying to build a thriving venture that provides a glimpse into gang life while also trying to convince people that gang-plagued communities are not as hopeless as movies depict.... 'There's a fascination with gangs'" said founder Alfred Lomas, a former member of the Florencia 13 gang. 'We can either address the issue head-on, create awareness and discuss the positive things that go on in these communities, or we can try to sweep it under the carpet."'


Yes, but Alfred, who drops $65 to get shot? I know white folks are adventurous but isn't this a bit much? "Look honey, it's a Crip. See, he is wearing blue. He looks just like that guy in the Snoop Dogg video. And look at all the pretty graffiti, aren't you glad you came?"
 
Yes, one more check-off on the old "Bucket List": actually visit a gang infested neighborhood.
"It's a terrible idea," City Councilman Dennis Zine said. "Is it worth that thrill for 65 bucks? You can go to a (gang) movie for a lot less and not put yourself at risk." More than 50 people brushed aside safety concerns for Saturday's maiden tour to hear how notorious gangs got started and bear witness to the struggling neighborhoods where tens of thousands of residents have been lured into gang life.
 
I might be missing out on something here. Los Angeles isn't the only city with urban violence and crime. Maybe I could do the same thing here in Philly. I am sure that folks from middle A-merry-ca would just love to see where the Lex Street Murders took place. And that's where crack addict number six got shot to death, and that's where crack addict number seven got shot to death. Or I could take my friends from Kansas and Iowa where the JBM used to roam and execute folks on the regular to control their turf. And, if that didn't get them excited enough, I could take them to where the aptly named Kaboni Savage had seven people murdered by having their home fire bombed. The tour guide would have a field day with that one. And, to top off my tour, I would take them where my man Gary Heidnik was getting his "Jungle Fever" on by eating his victims. That would be a nice touch. I could sell salt and pepper souvenirs shakers with Gary's name and some of the victims on it.
 
Of course, just like my man Alfred Lomas did, I will have to have my customers sign a waiver. I don't need any of them catching a stray bullet if you know what I mean. That could be bad for business.
 
"There's a fascination with gangs," said founder Alfred Lomas, a former member of the Florencia 13 gang. "We can either address the issue head-on, create awareness and discuss the positive things that go on in these communities, or we can try to sweep it under the carpet."
 
Sure Alfred, and if you can make a buck exploiting the poor people of "these communities" along the way, why not?
*Pic courtesy of Gangstyle.com

On a ligher note, good luck to "Who Dat Nation", tonight. Your city deserves a Super Bowl.

137 comments:

exodus said...

I know white folks are adventurous but isn't this a bit much

Damn man, you wanna be taken seriously stop with this krap, middle class black and white and asian or whatever will go. C'mon man, don't be so racist. It really deters your white allies.

Anonymous said...

White ally: Don't wast your time. He's a nigger, he doesn't care and neither should you. Period.

exodus said...

Assnon:
I hope you are wrong.

affrodite said...

i wrote about this on my blog (http://affrodite.net/2009/12/07/see-live-gangsters-la-gang-tours-through-south-los-angeles/) a while back and agree it's a bad idea. i got some crazy replies that i had to remove right after, so be ye forewarned.

playing devil's advocate as you do in this post, hey, why not offer the same in Philly or any other city with a sizable gang presence?

i guess it ultimately plays to folks stereotypical tendency to associate gangs with LA. it's kind of how we turned the N* word into something of glory, right?

nalin said...

why LA?

Doesn't Alfred live in LA? If so that would be why LA and not Philly.

Anonymous said...

exodus nigger lover,
you can hope all you want, but you probably won't even get a response to your post, niggers use you allies only when it's convenient. you mean NOTHING to them. look at how fn speaks about whites in his post. proof is in the pudding freak.

jade said...

Heck, speaking of getting a response from field, I am still waiting on mine. He does that you know, whenever someone calls him out, hides and moves on. Good tactic I guess.

Jade said...

That pretty much tells me all I need to know about the IP address coming in.....exposed as a fraud.

What the heck are you talking about? You little counter gives you not the identifying IP address info you claim. Therefore you are a liar. And I am not a fraud.

This is not your blog FN. You lost that a long time ago. This blog is AB and UTS's. You offer no insight of any mental capacity. Others do. You just stick something out there an others go with it.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Charging $65? Well, I'm here to tell them that they are being cheated and scammed out their money. They could have rode for a discount and spent a dollar and a few cents out this way on a public transit bus if they wanted to do a little touring.

Only thing is I'd advise them to wear a bullet proof vest and helmet. Oh yeah, mind your own business, pray, turn your head or look down and don't say a word if you just so happen to witness a robbery taking place on the bus and you will live through it to give a description, maybe.

I don't fool with public transit or tour buses not out this way. If the transit police don't kill you, some fool just might decide to shoot up the bus or rob the passengers.

Hathor said...

Jade,
You would have to be logged in as FN in order to see the IP address. Field has the option to not allow his readers to see his traffic info.

FlyNMy40s said...

GrannyStandingforTruth said...
If the transit police don't kill you, some fool just might decide to shoot up the bus or rob the passengers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have to admit that I LOVED public transportation when I initially moved to DC, but now I drive. Between the nasty folks not covering their mouths when they cough, the trigger happy fake cops, and the cost, I can drive my car (and I HATE driving) and be safer/save money and get to my destination faster.

Ms. Iman said...

Sadly, this is hardly an original idea. You can get a tour of, and stay in a hotel/hostel located in, a favela in Brazil. I remember hearing about it on the BBC some years back. There's even a thing called "Poverty Tourism" where people who obviously can afford to travel to places like Brazil, India and the like, get to tour their slums.

On one hand, yes it's bringing much needed money into these areas. On the other, it's patronising voyeurism at its best and exploitation at its worst.

FlyNMy40s said...

Hathor said...
You would have to be logged in as FN in order to see the IP address. Field has the option to not allow his readers to see his traffic info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I can confirm that statcounter gives you IP address info because I use it on my own website.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I use the same statcounter too. I know what Field is talking about. You would think that a tech would know that, huh? I guess not!

field negro said...

"What the heck are you talking about? You little counter gives you not the identifying IP address info you claim. Therefore you are a liar. And I am not a fraud."

Yes you are, and you know it. But that's OK. FYI, my counter does give me the IP addresses. See what some sane posters above said.

I will have Granny pray for you.

BTW, I answered your little screed under the last post. But you are so busy hopping from post to post that you missed it. :)

field negro said...

Afrodite, I will check out your post.

"Sadly, this is hardly an original idea. You can get a tour of, and stay in a hotel/hostel located in, a favela in Brazil. I remember hearing about it on the BBC some years back. There's even a thing called "Poverty Tourism" where people who obviously can afford to travel to places like Brazil, India and the like, get to tour their slums."

Ms. Iman I heard about those poverty tours in Third World countries as well. And I think it was just as sad then.

Anonymous said...

see exodus, totally ignoring of your comment, now go hide, these niggers don't care!

and the stupid leader used the term 3rd world country....it's developing country ass monkey.

FlyNMy40s said...

field negro said...
But that's OK. FYI, my counter does give me the IP addresses. See what some sane posters above said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Just as an FYI, a person with both wireless and "normal" internet access can have 2 different IP addresses.

So I suspect, assnon is posting from both of those in the same location, the psycho motherf*&ker, LOL!

BTW, what's up with the "bud-da" fingers Vikings, LOL???

Qua said...

Why doesn't FN just block that person's IP address then? We wouldn't have to listen to the psycho babble.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Fly:

I stopped taking public transportation back many years ago. Either I drive or ride with someone else in a car.

Field:

You know what this tourism thing is saying, "Let's go and watch the animals the new zoo. In a sense it is a insult. What if someone decided to run a tour bus for viewing Billionaire's residential areas and I am not talking about people like celebrities, movie stars, singers, and rappers either. I'm talking about people like Murdoch...They would arrest everyone on the bus.

Anonymous said...

Field, you mean to tell me that even though I am anonymous you can track me down? Oh my, I thought I was totally safe from discovery.

Well, at least you have the 'option' to track down the location of those sick nasty racists.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Don't you just wish you had some lye soap?

Anonymous said...

>> You know what this tourism thing is saying, "Let's go and watch the animals the new zoo. In a sense it is a insult."

only true victimhood addicts like Granny would immediately turn this story into the usual: we are victims of whitey again. She is one sick-in-the-head individual.

M. Rigmaiden said...

My Middle Sister lived in Brooklyn for a while and she said that rich suburban kids would go to the projects where JayZ was from and they'd take pictures and pose for their cameras.

In some sense, this is a way to document history, more exciting than the news. Clearly, people no excitement in their lives and that is why they are going on these tours.

field negro said...

SAINTS WIN!!

FlyNMy40s said...

Yes Granny, some lye soap dipped in aresnic would be perfect.

I was wondering if assnons know that Internet harassment is a crime. Personally, I don't play with Attorneys and given that Black folks tend not to purposely get involved with the law either, I'm going to have to place this assnon in the category of poor, uneducated, ignorant, racist, entitled white piece of $hit!!!

Jody said...

In Philly, Kensington Welfare Right Union used to (and may still on occasion) do a "reality tour." They did not, however charge money. The goal was to educate people about the poverty in Philly, especially when the city was holding high profile events (the RNC in 2000). They hoped that folks would bare witness to the reality that standing next to the Main Line, there was crushing poverty in Kensington and North Philly.... Too bad these guys in LA are not being more strategic about what they are doing. They could learn from KWRU.

field negro said...

Jody, don't they take new ADA's on tours of the inner city as well? I remember our girl Lynne doing that.

Anonymous said...

oh my goodness, that Rigmaiden is cute beyond belief! She could have her own tv show and people would watch, just to look at her.

oh well, she is here on this racist blog, but I hope she's not yet another angry/whining black racist...

she sure is cute, though

finefroghair said...

P.T. Barnum said it best
there's a sucker born a minute
if you want to take this tour
hope a kevlar vest comes with it

this country is getting strange
let's take a gangland tour
they also offer special trips
to the morgue and down a sewer

are Americans this damn bored
or do foreigners take this trip
either way I'll let this pass
it's something I'll just skip

I've seen enough urban blight
not a pretty sight to see
why the hell would you pay
I have seen it all for free

still it takes a set of balls
an incredible amount of pluck
in these scary economic times
it's a crazy way to make a buck

Anonymous said...

"exodus nigger lover,
you can hope all you want, but you probably won't even get a response to your post, niggers use you allies only when it's convenient. you mean NOTHING to them. look at how fn speaks about whites in his post. proof is in the pudding freak."

Hey Field, it seems the recent break from the retard zoo has spilled over to your blog.

Anonymous said...

Hey Field, it seems the recent break from the retard zoo has spilled over to your blog.

but the nigger still hasn't responded...funny isn't it how fn works...very selective as was noted earlier.

tubs said...

Black folks tend not to purposely get involved with the law

Fly, speak for yourself, do you realize how many stereotypes YOU enforce by what you say alone. jesus mary and lenny

Anonymous said...

did Alicia make up "assnon" or did she get that from elsewhere?

speaking of which, I had a thought, just for some innocent fun: if somebody were to play Alicia in a movie (not that such a thing would ever happen), who would it be? Sure, Dana Owens comes immediately to mind. But how about Tyler Perry? Anybody else would be more suitable??

Anonymous said...

Field, "SAINTS WIN!!"

Minnesota will never be the same.

Anonymous said...

whoopi maybe??

Anonymous said...

Okay, I'll play along with that, but I'll post as an "assnon" so AB won't go on the warpath against me for the next year :)

It'd have to be Tyler for sure playing AB in a movie, he'd play her so much more over the top, which would fit.

For uptownsteve, I'd pick Urkel, but when he was 'Stephan', because steve tries to come off as so cool. Or maybe steve is really fat in real life?

For Granny, maybe Moms Mabley.

Anonymous said...

me too, but anon as well.....Tyler for real.

For field, the big guy from green mile

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field and Jodie:

Have you read about this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/24/jordan-miles-teen-violini_n_434772.html

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Jody please forgive me for misspelling your name. Sorry about that.

Anonymous said...

Field,
Could you take a look at your link titled "seven people murdered", it isn't working.

The Who Dat Nation must be happy tonight!

Aloha from
Makaii

Anonymous said...

...Tyler for playing AB

...for CF, that singer from Arrested Development in the 1990s

...for field, that "TWEET ME!" photo on the right makes me think of Lamont from Sanford and Son

M. Rigmaiden said...

Lamont from Sanford and Son? Whoa!!!!! hehehehehehheheheheh Now that is somewhat true but only in that pic! Personally, I think FN (and I am sure his wife won't kill me for this) is a handsome guy that favors Ving Rhames- at least in the pics I've seen.

And about the comment from Anonymous above, thanks for the compliment. Sad that you feel the need to visit this blog and disparage it, but I wish you well nevertheless.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, folks will do all sorts of tours for $$$....Tours through New Orleans’ 9th ward after Katrina to see all the destruction, tours through south-central Pennsylvania to gawk at the Amish, tours through Las Vegas' foreclosed homes to find a bargain. Don’t know if there were waiver requirements but I expect so.

Joy

Sarge said...

I saw something like that thirty years ago in a "Doonsbury" comic strip.

Bob said...

A few weeks ago I tried a new crosstown bus from the train station to my doctor's office in Newark, missed the stop, saw the neighborhood deteriorating block by block. So I asked the black bus driver if it was still safe for me get off & walk back to the doctor's office. He say yeah, just in time. Otherwise, I would've stayed on bus to city line & waited for bus in other direction. Being street smart means knowing which streets are mean & staying off them.

Smashed The Tiny Black Box said...

What I am about to say is awful. I'd rather effort rent towards city beautification or something positive. Sadly, that's not likely to happen. We live in a time where it's all about "MEEE and pee on everyone else." If folks are dumb enough to pay for a ghetto tour guide, then why not?

The tour's target market probably thought the impoverished residents were subhuman before the tour. Even if the locals saved Haiti, fixed the economy all while doing the Lil' Miss Firecracker dance, they'd still find a reason to call them inferior. Low self esteem is a bitch.

Maybe I'm wrong, is this worse than the minstrel shows we see and hear daily in the media? I

field negro said...

Makaii, try the link now.

"4", once again throws a pic with the game on the line. I guess the fans in Green Bay are saying, told you so. :)

No Smashed...you are not wrong.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]The goal was to educate people about the poverty in Philly, especially when the city was holding high profile events (the RNC in 2000).[/quote]

Jody:

I don't have anything against you.
I seriously don't. In fact I think that you are a decent human being.

MY FRUSTRATION with you is that you assault nearly everything that I personally have used to escape from West Philly and instead see the larger world.

Jody - seriously - Is it more important for the "Main Line" (read between the lines - White folks) to come into Kensington to see how "THESE PEOPLE" live and thus connect to their MISERY or.............is it more important for you to take the poor Black and Hispanic kids out of KENSINGTON into:

* A corporate work place
* A full-service grocery store in Franklinville NJ
* A high school in Limerick PA

all with the proper MESSAGE that you tell them?

NO - not the message of "LOOK AT HOW THESE OTHER PEOPLE LIVE AND HOW SOCIETY HAS SCREWED YOU and doesn't give a DAMN about you".

The message, Jody - MUST BE "Here are the conditions that are far more conducive to YOUR OWN HUMAN DIGNITY AND POTENTIAL!!!! More than the MATERIAL ADVANTAGE that someone might have over you is what the EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS resident WITHIN these spaces yield in the way of their self-serving advantage for the benefit of CIVILITY."

Jody - as much as I know the phrase "People over Profits" to be the cornerstone of the Progressive movements as a means of upending selfishness and materialism I am more convinced that this message needs to be told to the INDIVIDUAL who you are seeking to help as much as it is told to the corporation that you are seeking to extract resources from.

If "People over Profits" was the rule in Kensington then more of the people would practice community based management where no one individual would be allowed by the COMMUNITY to violate the community rules. In a place where there is scarcity there is a far greater need to protect the "jewels" of the community. You appear to focus on external "pirates" from the police department or corporations. The greatest assault that these people experience, however, is from the people who operate clandestinely on the inside of this forgotten space, taking advantage of the VOID of regulation among the people UPWARD toward a higher standard. In this void various corrupt individuals build a standard that is far below what these people need to form a network of progress.

Jody since these inter-community visits are an attempt to get people to relate to one another and see how their "brothers" live - I struggle to understand one thing about your rationale. When I do "Career Days" where an abundance of Black and Hispanic kids (mostly) come into my office and I tell them that I used to be right there with them and now "Here I am". That this span between me and them is only as insurmountable as their plan forward is full of unrealistic and childish notions that must be REMOVED - my goal is to get them to connect with me as a means of guiding them FORWARD.

What, Jody, is your goal as you attempt to impress upon these Main Line people as you bring them into Kensington? Surely your goal is to CHANGE THEM in some way that might change Kensington.

WHAT DO YOU EVER ASK OF THE KENSINGTON RESIDENT? Do you have the same confidence in him that he has the CAPACITY TO CHANGE???

Constructive Feedback said...

How do you 'educate someone about POVERTY Jody'? POVERTY = THE ABSENCE OF A SYSTEM OF PRODUCTIVITY.

POVERTY is the defacto state of man. OVER GROWN WEEDS is the defacto state of a plot of land.

You get rid of POVERTY by working upon those who have a discombobulated set of actions who's horizontal friction as they interact with each other have a stultifying effect, keeping everyone grounded.

Poverty is the absence of VALUE. It seems that your mission is to make the MAIN LINE VALUE the human beings in Kensington.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE to insure that Kensington sees themselves as EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS - who's neighbors are deserving of the same RESPECT and APPRAISAL as you are seeking to have the greater SOCIETY to afford them?

(One day you are going to listen to me Jody. It will come when you see "these people" as NECESSARY "equal parties" to YOU instead of "projects" in need of "HELP".

Have you ever heard of a Christian attempting to MAKE a candidate for baptism "SAVED"? This is the job for the candidate to BECOME SAVED by his conscious decision.

You will receive more praise from like-minded individuals that I am likely to. YOU will always have a "soup line" full of human beings that are not living up to their potential and thus will be kept doing busy work.

Are you working to change the people in Kensington or the Main Line?)

George said...

As a man of tattoos I take exception to the way the word tattooed seems to be used as a pejorative in the article you quoted. I'm referring to the phrase 'tattooed ex-gang members', why is it relevant that they have tattoos? that is straight up discrimination.

uptownsteve said...

This really doesn't surprise me.

Alot of white folks are simultaneously frightenend and intrigued by ghetto blacks.

About ten years ago, my company had a promotion event at RFK Stadium and afterwards while leaving the stadium (I was driving with two white co-workers) one of my colleagues asked "Steve, how far is the 'hood from here?".

Normally white DC suburbanites leave the stadium after the game, get on RT 295 and haul ass out of the city ASAP.

I said "You wanna see the 'hood?"

I shot across the Frederick Douglass Bridge and turned onto Benning Rd and drove them right into Benning Hts Terrace, also known as "Simple City".

Open air drug markets, prostitution, winos, bums, you name it.

My colleagues were literally wetting their pants.

Then out of nowhere walks two Mormons right through the courtyard with their little white shirts and black ties, spreading the word.

uptownsteve said...

CF

"Is it more important for the "Main Line" (read between the lines - White folks) to come into Kensington to see how "THESE PEOPLE" live and thus connect to their MISERY or.............is it more important for you to take the poor Black and Hispanic kids out of KENSINGTON into:"

What would really be helpful is for negroes like you to come out to South Bowie, Croom, Mitchellville and Upper Marlboro to realize that there are many well kept, safe and prosperous black communities and that every black neighborhood is not a depraved ghetto.

Terrible Tom said...

quoting CF "Are you working to change the people in Kensington or the Main Line?"

I don't know if blacks realize this basic truth about white liberals: the white liberal isn't so much interested in what happens to the object of their "caring". Just look at how white liberalism led to places like Cabrini Green, over and over again across the country.

No, a white liberal uses their "caring" in order to achieve status among their peers and to display their presumed superiority over others who are not so "caring" and liberal. It's really an ego thing.

Take it one step further and add the element of acquiring money and power while being the "caring" one and you have a white liberal politician. No Kennedy ever gave up their mansion to give it to the poor. No, they take care of themselves first and foremost. Then when they want to be top dogs out in the world at large (such as senator or president), they put their "caring" for the downtrodden on display and say "vote for me" because I'm so selfless.

maria said...

UTS said"
"Normally white DC suburbanites leave the stadium after the game, get on RT 295 and haul ass out of the city ASAP."

so do black suburbanites. be honest.

uptownsteve said...

"I don't know if blacks realize this basic truth about white liberals: the white liberal isn't so much interested in what happens to the object of their "caring". Just look at how white liberalism led to places like Cabrini Green, over and over again across the country."

So Tommy, we all know that urban projects have often turned out to be hellholes but what was the conservative alternative for housing for poor folks?

Like many liberal ideas, the results turned out bad but the intentions were good.

But conservatives had NOTHING.

I'll ask you straight up.

What is your suggestion for housing for the poor?

Section 8 in your neighborhood?

Terrible Tom said...

quoting steve, "Alot of white folks are simultaneously frightenend and intrigued by ghetto blacks"

you mean normal blacks don't go to gangsta movies and listen to rap?

People have always been fascinated by criminals, because they see that life as being free from rules. Once upon a time it was Cagney et al. in the movies. Now its negroes.

If they had to actually live among the people who don't feel bound by rules, then they wouldn't think it was such a kick anymore - just the same as if the people on the tour bus got pulled over and robbed (and worse) by the criminals they came to gawk at, as if it was entertainment.

uptownsteve said...

"so do black suburbanites. be honest."

Not if you have relatives and friends in the city.

Like I do.

Terrible Tom said...

"What is your suggestion for housing for the poor?"

to NOT just give it away, stevie. It should be done with some wisdom and designed to have a good effect, NOT just to make the liberal feel good about himself. Giving stuff away leads to the results which have been observed.

"Like many liberal ideas, the results turned out bad but the intentions were good"

which says that liberals are so naive that they shouldn't be trusted to make any decisions, or they DON'T CARE about results. Actually, both of those are true.

uptownsteve said...

That's not an answer Tommy.

What is your suggestion for housing poor minority folks?

Because we all know that the Levittowns and much of urban rim suburbia was just "given away" to white folks after WWII with zero interest government guaranteed loans that were denied to blacks.

FO said...

There's a lot of good art out on them there walls.

I was thinking about driving around San Antonio and taking pictures of all the good murals, tagging, etc. and putting them in a book.

Hathor said...

CF,
I wonder if you really lived in Philly. I found this a real interesting city of neighborhoods where poverty can exist around the corner from the well to do. The neighborhood I live in has two projects, the working class, the poor, the gentrified and millions dollar single homes.

I find parts of West Philly not defined by the poor, so why was your effort to leave to get away from what? One does not have to cross City Ave to find the middle or upper class or to expand their horizons.

Terrible Tom said...

you're the one who's diverting, stevie

CF made a comment about improving results by *changing* people. (That's opposed to the usual liberal approach of giving them things while blaming whitey.) I made a followup by saying that liberals don't actually care about results. You then come up with the non sequitur that I have to propose a housing plan (along with the usual constant crap about 'blacks are victims').

It's not limited to housing. If liberals had their way, they'd be distributing drugs to addicts, using the same rationales that they use to distribute drugs.

Terrible Tom said...

"using the same rationales that they use to distribute drugs" should be "needles", obviously

maria said...

you were talking about beating it out of bad parts of the city--which everyone does.

i have friends in DC and spend a lot of time there, too. but i don't hang around housing projects. your white colleagues must be pretty sheltered, or else you're exaggerating their responses.

uptownsteve said...

"CF made a comment about improving results by *changing* people. (That's opposed to the usual liberal approach of giving them things while blaming whitey.) I made a followup by saying that liberals don't actually care about results. You then come up with the non sequitur that I have to propose a housing plan (along with the usual constant crap"about 'blacks are victims').

Well I'm obviously not going to waste a whole lot with you.

And you may not want to reference CF who is a gleeful black lapdog for white folks who wouldn't even eat at the same table with him.

It the same old crapola from you righties..

Liberals "give" black people things that are either bad for them or what they don't deserve and the hard working tax paying white people have to pay for it.

You completely ignored my comment that blacks who served in wars and paid taxes were denied access to low interest loans and low cost suburban housing which in todays market is worth over $250,000.

And are you also suggesting that only blacks use drugs?

puh-leeze.

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
What would really be helpful is for negroes like you to come out to South Bowie, Croom, Mitchellville and Upper Marlboro to realize that there are many well kept, safe and prosperous black communities and that every black neighborhood is not a depraved ghetto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I come to all those places you just named every week (my sister lives in PG County) and let me tell you why I live in Montgomery County:

1) The public schools near all those million dollar homes with the well kept lawns aren't even close to good.

2) A recent trip to a local TJ Maxx with NO door on ANY of the dressing rooms left me wondering why do well to do Black folks tolerate this crap?

3) Million dollar neighborhoods are often within blocks of crime ridden neighborhoods.

4) A million dollar home in PG County recently burned to the ground because the owners street didn't have a fire working hydrant. Do you think my wealthy white neighbors in Montgomery County would tolerate that? And God forbid if you ever have to call 911 in PG County!!!

Tell you what observing PG County taught me about "well to do" Black neighborhoods. Black folks will NOT ensure that their tax dollars go towards goods and services or education, leaving Blacks in the lower middle class/poor to fend for themselves. Maybe I should rephrase that. LIBERAL wealthy Blacks only care about themselves!!!

uptownsteve said...

"Million dollar neighborhoods are often within blocks of crime ridden neighborhoods."

Name ONE.

"A million dollar home in PG County recently burned to the ground because the owners street didn't have a fire working hydrant."

Where and when was this?

You Toms and Jemimas really ought to quit.

You really think the white man's ice is colder, don't you?

maria said...

how many TJ Maxx's have you been to? how about Loehman's?

none of them have doors! you can try to make this into a race/economic thing, but it isn't.

FlyNMy40s said...

UTS, if you read this little thing called a newspaper, you'd know what I'm talking about as far as the fire is concerned.

BTW, I see you didn't defend that piss poor 911 service? Yeah, uh huh, LOL!!!

And the "white man's" ice isn't colder but if were talking about the difference between Mont. County and PG County, then the "white man's" water is probably safer to drink/bathe in then that which you use on a dialy basis, LOL!!!

uptownsteve said...

Fly, you're full of shit.

I knew you wouldn't reply with evidence.

I've been in South Bowie ten years and everyone of the kids who has graduated from high school in my subdivision during that time has gone on to college.

Some very prestigious institutions like the Naval Academy, Georgetown, and Howard.

5 years ago the subdivision was 95%black.

Now it's more like 65% black with whites and asians moving IN because of the good schools, good location and safe streets.

What part of Montgomery County you live in anyway?

It damn sure ain't Potomac or Damascus.

FlyNMy40s said...

maria said...
how many TJ Maxx's have you been to? how about Loehman's?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Obviously I've been to a lot, in many different states otherwise I wouldn't have made that statement .

Just as a Scientist doesn't yell "Eureka" after ONE experiment, who makes a general claim after one occurance?

Maybe you don't care to be disrespected when you spend your money, but I sure as hell won't spend mine if I'm being treated in a way I disagee with!!!

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
Fly, you're full of shit.......
What part of Montgomery County you live in anyway?
It damn sure ain't Potomac or Damascus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Where's YOUR effing evidence contradicting what I'm saying? Yeah, STFU man!!!!

And THIS is what makes you an occasional nigga. Why 'da hell do you figure I don't live in Potomac or Damascas? Don't you think a near mid six figure COMBINED imcome could make the mortage? You are aware that Black folks live in those areas, those want their 911 call to go through, LOL!!!

FYI, the ONLY reason I won't be more specific is because Field has some psychos on this blog and I can't carry my glock on me because of my job/where I work and frequent trips back and forth to DC.

But trust me, a quatermilllie plus buys a LOT in metro DC!!!!

uptownsteve said...

"Where's YOUR effing evidence contradicting what I'm saying?"

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!

Doncha just luv righties and Toms?

"Prove that I'm lying!!!"

"Why 'da hell do you figure I don't live in Potomac or Damascas?"

Well do you or not?

"You are aware that Black folks live in those areas,"

Not in Damascus. They don't like black folks up there.

And if you're black and live in Potomac, chances are your name is Ewing, Leonard, or Mourning.

Hathor said...

Fly,
You expect doors in an off price store? The only reason there are ones that have doors is because they have moved in behind another department store. I would understand your indignation if it was a major department store.
There are off price stores that have only one big dressing room, no stalls. There was one in a very upper middle class mostly white suburb.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote] "Steve, how far is the 'hood from here?".[/quote]

Shake Your Booty Steve - you are so predictable.

Upon reading this quote from you above I was going to say: "Then you took them to Bowie MD where all is green and no one throws their McDonald's wrappers out of the window of their car".

Your post to Tom did it for me:

[quote]
What would really be helpful is for negroes like you to come out to South Bowie, Croom, Mitchellville and Upper Marlboro to realize that there are many well kept, safe and prosperous black communities and that every black neighborhood is not a depraved ghetto.
[/quote]

Steve - why is it ALL ABOUT YOU?

How many times have I told you that I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE THE HIGHEST STANDARDS FOR YOUR LOVED ONES!!!?

My concern about YOU is that you don't extend the enforcements that you enact upon your own children TO the poor people. Instead you claim that in their 'DAMAGED STATE' it would be cruel to actually expect anything from them.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]I wonder if you really lived in Philly. I found this a real interesting city of neighborhoods where poverty can exist around the corner from the well to do. The neighborhood I live in has two projects, the working class, the poor, the gentrified and millions dollar single homes. [/quote]

Hathor:

I don't understand your challenge of my "Philly Credentials". It appears that you are attempting to apply some authenticity upon the poor parts of the city.

Ask Filled Negro about the "Hilltop Hustlers" or Tustin Playground.

Do you see this iron fence and church lawn at the Simpson Fletcher Church @ 61st and Jefferson, Hator?

http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=W+Jefferson+St+%26+N+61st+St,+Philadelphia,+PA+19151&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.177128,114.169922&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=N+61st+St+%26+W+Jefferson+St,+Philadelphia,+Pennsylvania+19151&ll=39.978962,-75.2424&spn=0.0122,0.027874&z=16&layer=c&cbll=39.979038,-75.242417&panoid=WD-I6wDoEOYotKnCOrEoRw&cbp=12,89.49,,0,5

There are two things that I remember:

1) Playing tackle football everyday in this grass as a kid with no equipment. Having to climb over the fence to get in.

2) Seeing a Negro get the crap kicked out of him by 3 other guys - right in front of that fence. I swear that guy who got stomped looked like UptownSteve when this happened about 25 years ago.

I felt sorry for the guy but since we didn't know if he deserved it or not we didn't help and we "Stopped Snitching" when the cops came to take him to the hospital. He got the ole fashion "West Philly Beat Down".

uptownsteve said...

"Steve - why is it ALL ABOUT YOU?"

Okay, let's break this down CF.

Do you believe that most blacks are pathological and criminal?

Do you believe that most black neighborhoods are ghettoes?

Do you believe that deparavity and crime are correlated with race?

If not, then why is it that everytime I point out that there are plenty of functioning black communities, the overwhelming majority of black Americans are hard working law abiding citizens, that you shriek that "This isn't about you!"

I appreciate the compliment bruh, but black success is not unusual.

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
And if you're black and live in Potomac, chances are your name is Ewing, Leonard, or Mourning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This is some sad nigga talk UTS. I feel so bad for you for not having more confidence in yourself and your earning power and YOUR people.

Trust me there are quite a few Black families of Doctors, Scientists, College Professors, Real Estate Professionals, IT professionals, Business owners and on and on that live in Potomac.

But just like some white folks, you IGNORANTLY think that ONLY way black person can afford to live there is if they're a sports figure.

NIGGA talk if I've EVER seen it and you should be ashamed of yourself!!!!!

uptownsteve said...

CF

"Shake Your Booty Steve - you are so predictable."

I know you want to dime me out so bad to Ms. Riley it's killing you, isn't it?

ROTFLMBAO!!!!

Go ahead if it turns you on CF.

You grossly overestimate my emotional investment in BR.

uptownsteve said...

Fly,

What's with all the racial slurs?

What are you, a Cablinasian?

BTW sweetie, we have black doctors,scientists, attorneys and professionals living in my community as well.

So do you live in Damascus or Potomac or not?

Tell the truth, you live in Takoma Park, don't you?

Or as they call it nowadays "Little Tegucigalpa".

Constructive Feedback said...

Shake Your Booty Steve - you are such an intellectual fraud.

[quote]
What is your suggestion for housing for the poor? Section 8 in your neighborhood?
[/quote]

Let someone even talk about creating "Section 7" housing in Bowie MD and see this Kneegrow take to the streets talking about how he is NOT going to allow his property value suffer just to house some poor people.

I am at least happy that Steve no longer has Alphonzo Jackson to blame everything on.

[quote]So Tommy, we all know that urban projects have often turned out to be hellholes but what was the conservative alternative for housing for poor folks?
Like many liberal ideas, the results turned out bad but the intentions were good.[/quote]

Shake Your Booty Steve:

You keep looking for TASKS for you and others to follow. You often FAIL to consider the FOUNDATION upon which all of this is built upon.

1) Any interaction with "the poor" that does not involve you treating them as EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS is an interaction that will damage them.

2) You must make it clear that they are EQUAL PARTNERS in their own salvation at the initial state but that THEY must be the primary catalyst for their own SALVATION.

3) Instead of seeing the "Housing Code of Behavior Policies", the "School that you now run" and the Laws of the community as something that is IMPOSED UPON THEM - YOU must be at the forefront of having them OWN THESE STRUCTURES as they are ESSENTIAL components of a high quality of life.

You know Damned Well Steve that YOU would NEVER accept certain behavior in Bowie that you defend as "social justice violations" by the AUTHORITIES in these projects that you speak of.

In summary Steve - EITHER you are building CONSUMERS who look to you for SERVICING or you have the mission of allowing EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS to structure themselves to EQUALITY.

Please tell me which one you prefer Steve? You know you run the risk of creating people who DISAGREE WITH YOU IDEOLOGICALLY and POLITICALLY once a person's life experiences diverge from yours.

Is this worth it to you?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Do you believe that most blacks are pathological and criminal?[/quote]

NO but I struggle to understand why "THUGGISM" is so much a part of this "Hip Hop Weekly" magazine that I purchased as part of my "Voice Of The Street Pirate" research.

IF the KLAN repeated these messages to characterize Black folks as such YOU would be attacking them.

Do you believe that most black neighborhoods are ghettoes?

A ghetto is a word that has been molested.
I believe that a COMMUNITY that has:
* Clearly defined standards
* Strong enforcement of standards
* Linkage between its desired "Standard of Living" and the PRODUCTIVE work and financial contributions of all of its residents within

Is a SOUND COMMUNITY.
Since NOT ONE DAMNED ELEMENT of this has a RACIAL component to it - your question is moot.

[quote]
Do you believe that deparavity and crime are correlated with race?
[/quote]

CULTURAL ACCEPTANCE - yes
RACE - no

[quote]If not, then why is it that everytime I point out that there are plenty of functioning black communities, the overwhelming majority of black Americans are hard working law abiding citizens, that you shriek that "This isn't about you!"[/quote]

Steve - you function as a REPUBLICAN does.

He points to the WEALTHY and says "America is grand!! Look at these guilded few among my friends!!!". He uses this sample as his reference for the rest of America.

WHY don't you ever ask the same question of the CONGRESSIONAL BLACK CAUCUS? More of their legislative agenda purports to the notion that BLACKS ARE POOR and prone to incarceration than ANYTHING you can point to me as proof that I think this way.

uptownsteve said...

"Let someone even talk about creating "Section 7" housing in Bowie MD and see this Kneegrow take to the streets talking about how he is NOT going to allow his property value suffer just to house some poor people."

Maybe don't have it Bowie but there is Section 8 in Captital Hts, Oxon Hill and Upper Marlboro stones throws my area.

"1) Any interaction with "the poor" that does not involve you treating them as EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS is an interaction that will damage them."

Examples of how people like me are not treating poor folks as equals.

"2) You must make it clear that they are EQUAL PARTNERS in their own salvation at the initial state but that THEY must be the primary catalyst for their own SALVATION."

You mean like how white ethnics were equal partners in their salvation?

Tell me how poor blacks are supposed to create industry, a middle tax base, and a quality education system in their neighborhoods.

Don't give me a bootstrap speech.

Let's hear details.

"3) Instead of seeing the "Housing Code of Behavior Policies", the "School that you now run" and the Laws of the community as something that is IMPOSED UPON THEM - YOU must be at the forefront of having them OWN THESE STRUCTURES as they are ESSENTIAL components of a high quality of life."

This is nothing but empty rightwing rhetoric.

Behavior changes when conditions changed, not the other way around.

uptownsteve said...

"CULTURAL ACCEPTANCE - yes
RACE - no"

Then please explain how there is a black middle and professional class if "Black" cultural acceptance encourages deparavity and violence?

FlyNMy40s said...

uptownsteve said...
Fly,
What's with all the racial slurs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'll tell you whats up with the racial slurs. You IGNORANTLY stated that a BLACK person has to be an athlete to live in Potomac, MD and that's just STUPID!!!!

So my question is who needs "white racism" when we have YOU? Yet you have the nerve to call ME an Uncle Tom?? Negro Pa-leeze!!!!

FlyNMy40s said...

BTW, you DO have section 8 in Bowie, probably right next door to YOU!!!

Hathor said...

CF,
I had family that lived at 59th and Jefferson for thirty years, til two years ago.It seem to me to be a working and middle class neighborhood. It might not have been crime free, but I wouldn't not have considered it to be an extremely bad neighborhood. I don't use the word ghetto, because its definition varies. It doesn't necessarily mean that it is a depressed neighborhood.

Living in Philly, one is only public transportation ride from the Art Museum, The Academy of Natural Science, The Franklin Institute, The Free Library, and other venues where one can expand their horizons.

Having recently gone to school with upper middle class young people I don't see them as critical thinkers or as more exposed mall rats than hood rats when you speak of values. Many of those young people have never touched the ground since birth and their expectations are of entitlement and of course their parents provide it for them right into adulthood. That includes the network to find the best jobs.

Values have only to do with the individual not the group and poverty has nothing to do with it. Apparently you think so, since you think you have them and have move above your original circumstances.

Anonymous said...

This is why I come here, you niggers are like dogs and turn on yourselves all the time. Hopeless, and this discourse proves it.

LACoincidental said...

Why, the Fields provides a brother a good spot to take a brain-breather before his next project meeting.

Anyway, living in LA now for almost a year, I can honestly say that the well-heeled Hollywood and Orange County types like to stroll through the grimier parts of LA -- Northern West Hollywood (the Drag Queen Strip), East LA, South Central, etc. So this BS isn't surprising. People take tours of Nazi death camps, so why not cash in.


And to the point of which group of people trample the working class the most -- well heeled liberals or conservatives -- I'd call it a tie for with an edge to repugs.

On the liberal side, there's a professional victimization class, folks who built their lives bemoaning the downtrodden masses to fatten their wallets. They are actually few, but they're quite loud and destructive. For every 50 social workers, non-profit manager and public interest lawyer doing God's work, there are at least 3 or 4 Rev. Al Sharpton and Ralph Nader wannabes using the suffering of the masses to sell their next book or hustle the state coffers to fund XYZ center. Sorry, but some of the so-called 'liberal' talking heads and leaders are useless to the poor.

Also, many liberals don't value the poor and working class as human beings. They view ghetto youth the way most of would view a wounded puppy, a sweet and endearing beast, but an unintelligent beast none the less. If you want proof -- go into a non-profit or community action office and find someone in charge who isn't an ivy league educated do-gooder trying clear their consciences.


On the conservative side -- the poor are often viewed as savages. But the difference is that conservatives treat the poor as barnacles on a ship -- burn them off for the sake of the ship. American conservatism is all about selfishness. Ayn Rand has more to do with how conservatives think than Jesus or the Prophets. American conservatives have the asinine and unproven notion that people are poor and desperate because they don't have the will to succeed. Sociology, political science theory and modern economics show this to be absolutely false. But the truth doesn't fit the narrative that the underclass == subhuman, so conservatives ignore it. Which is rather sad, since many a conservative themselves are poor.

Now the Black conservative, particularly post-Civil Rights brand is a sad individual indeed. These person bemoan their community and ask that they improve themselves and spit upon the very social actions that directly benefit them. What's worse, and what puts them into the house, is that these folks rarely lead the charge to help or change their community. This is particularly true in the professional activist class.

Most of the big name Black neo-cons couldn't name a cause or community action that they're involved in. Honestly, Armstrong Williams nor Hip Hop Mike wouldn't be caught dead at an inner-city soup kitchen or tutoring program.

So in conclusion, there are elitist pricks on the left and the right. I'd have more to say, but my coffee break is up and I've got a meeting in 30.

Peace and Love

maria said...

aside from causing gore to lose, nader's a good guy. i've never seen any evidence that he has enriched himself, and we have him to thank for many, many things we take for granted today--like seat belts.

LaCo, you write so eloquently.

LACoincidental said...

Maria:
you caught me just as I was packing up the laptop. Nader isn't evil per se (hell, I used to work with the guy), but he's certainly not poor. The man has done a lot of great work, no doubt. Hell, he's the reason that airlines have to put you onto a will call list if they over book your flight and you lose your seat. However, there are some questions about his funding practices for his PIRGs. Here's more info.

But honestly, I say "bitch less, act more". Its easy for folks on the left and the right to bemoan Obama, Republicans or whoever. But its a whole new ball game once you get off your ass and do something!

alicia banks said...

assnon:

do not envy my verbal creativity just because you are so illiterate that you cannot master standard nominal vocab!

you are my own personal stalker
and you are truly an overachiever
herein!

do you realize you are so obsessed with me that you even interject me into posts that i do not even comment on??????

go rent a movie about anyone...played by anyone else...watch it...and GET YOUR OWN LIFE!!!!!!

alicia banks said...

assnon:

in any bio, ONLY pam grier could do me justice you moron!!!

and you would be the illiterate corpse inside the "grave i piss on..."!!!

alicia banks said...

lac:

there is hope for those you so dilligently rally to action...as soon as obama does something to
help them as much as he has helped his corp bank owners/puppeteers

it is truly difficult to run for office/be heroic when you are jobless and homeless/evicted/foreclosed and uneducated and hungry etc...

see more on HObama here:

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/.../6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddf25705860c.html

rottnkid said...

maria said...
how many TJ Maxx's have you been to? how about Loehman's?

none of them have doors! you can try to make this into a race/economic thing, but it isn't.

10:38 AM
------------------------------------

In Richmond VA they have doors and this city is predominately black.

Anonymous said...

Field,
??????????????
I'm still getting the following message when I try to access that link {SEVEN PEOPLE MURDERED}:

"To access your blogs, sign in with your Google Account."
????????????????????????

I'm not tech saavy enough to understand WHY?

Have a great day at work. I'm already looking forward to your next post.

Makaii

LACoincidental said...

alicia banks said...

lac:

there is hope for those you so dilligently rally to action...as soon as obama does something to
help them as much as he has helped his corp bank owners/puppeteers

it is truly difficult to run for office/be heroic when you are jobless and homeless/evicted/foreclosed and uneducated and hungry etc...

Alicia -

How are you? Anyway, I would like to point that your premise is flawed, as massive poor people's rallies occurred during the Great Depression, forcing action from FDR and congress. Hugo Chavez would still be only an angry, lefty ex-paratrooper if not for a massive poor people's movement. The French Revolution was fueled in large part by the poorer masses supporting the intellectual class' political demands from the aristocracy. And as a 'lioness' (your words not mine) you left out Haiti? And lets not forget 2009's favorite political speedbump, the so-called grassroots movement known as 'the Tea Party'.

I'm not arguing for armed insurrection -- we aren't that far gone yet. But when we're willing, the people can do anything they want. We don't live in a dictatorship -- our leaders still have to be elected. And given the apathy in the American people towards you know, important things, like the collective good, war, economics -- most politicians don't bother even running.

alicia banks said...

lac:

your detailed analyses still absolve obama blatantly and repulsively

can you at least hold obama to the same standards you do his poor victims/fantasied competitors?

ie:

pray tell:

who shall finance this new magical homeless jobless messiah
as obama's own presidential win was financed by the bankers he coddles???

alicia banks said...

lac:

obama will pander to all of the poor people he has betrayed and ignored on wed...

i wonder will any of them be so moved as to cast their bid for prez immediately after his meaningless speech???

words without deeds are worthless

it was obama who promised hope and change?

how long will you obama lovers deny that he has offered us neither????

how long will:

"you are just a wingnut hater who should run for prez?"...really work for all of you/obama?????

ps:
it has already stopped working in ma....

Jezebella said...

The people on those tours are the same assholes who went on "disaster tours" of New Orleans after Katrina.

Speaking of, WHO DAT!

La♥Incognita said...

They must think of it like being on a safari watching animals. My only question, who's actually benefitting from the exploitation proceeds? Not even youth programs in those gang infested black communities I'll bet. Typical.

btw, I swear CF has got to be obsessed with Jody. There was a thread a while back where he wrote her name like 14-15 times in one comment. LOL:.

Anonymous said...

Field how's that smoking coming along?

alicia banks said...

lac:

i have never met an actual lioness evicted from a jungle or fired from her job...

neither have i met one
starving as all gazelles are too costly to hunt

and "arugula" does not nourish feline carvores as they do obama

fyi

a human lioness indeed,blessed
to roar and reign in other arenas beside political jungles,
ab

alicia banks said...

and "arugula" does not nourish feline CARNIVORES as it does obama

alicia banks said...

lac:

how swiftly may this new homeless jobless messiah ascend to DC?

and will he/she save/restore any jobs lost in dec 2009...unlike obama???

http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/01/08/85000-jobs-lost-in-december/

http://blog.aflcio.org/2010/01/08/85000-jobs-lost-in-december/

alicia banks said...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31957.html

Chris said...

Hey, I'm wondering if you've tackled Jersey Shore yet? Looking back I haven't noticed a post on it and I'm wondering what your thoughts are on the show. To me it's a piece of trash show and groups are rightly up in arms about it.

mellaneous said...

Field I don't know what to say about this post except, that its always disappointing when people try to benefit from poor people's suffering and thus revictimizing them.

It has really been enlightening however to read the back and forth between folks on here.

LA Confidential- loved your words

Uptown Steve- I liked what you had to say but don't understand why well meaning black folks like yourself and Fly have to get into a pissing contest. It does seem true that too many black middle class folks have gone the selfish route, so I really appreciate the ones who haven't like yourself Fly and Field.

Speaking of selfish why do you guys argue with UnConstructive Feedback? He is clearly elitist and really has little to offer a discussion, because you know what he is going to say before he says it and then he says in such stilted ways. He has to be the most uptight Black person I have ever encountered.

UCF goes so far out of the way to defend this system that he twists himself in knots trying to explain away racism, oppression, discrimination, unequal schools and unfair labor practices and even poverty wiithout indicting the system. Did youall really read how he defined poverty?

Check out this foolishness by this real live confused black person:

UCF:
"POVERTY = THE ABSENCE OF A SYSTEM OF PRODUCTIVITY.

POVERTY is the defacto state of man. OVER GROWN WEEDS is the defacto state of a plot of land.

You get rid of POVERTY by working upon those who have a discombobulated set of actions who's horizontal friction as they interact with each other have a stultifying effect, keeping everyone grounded."

Can anyone believe that crap. In case you didn't know UCF poverty is not having what you need to sustain one's self in this world. It can include a lack of food shelter and proper clothing or could mean just barely enough food shelter or clothing. And most of it is caused by the unequal distribuiton of the wealth and unequal opportunities. You can pretend all you want that it is the person who is indeed victimized fault that they didn't jump over the hurdles in their way but the point you silly man is that the hurdles should not be in the way in the first place. Just because you jumped the hurdles doesn't mean everyone else has the ability to jump them, that's why they are there in the first place.

But you are right there is another kind of poverty of which you display quite often which is a poverty of good sense, good ideas and compassion.

Lawd help us!

Anonymous said...

Where can I get those salt & pepper
shakers ;-)

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Values have only to do with the individual not the group and poverty has nothing to do with it. Apparently you think so, since you think you have them and have move above your original circumstances.[/quote]

Hathor:

What makes you think that I THINK that I am "better" than those who I grew up around?

At the same token IF I could show you a pattern that my parents instilled in my siblings and I AND enforced them accordingly would you be made to be convinced that it was not an ACCIDENT but a METHODOLOGY?

If I told you that when I travel to various cities I venture to where "the people live" as a means of understanding the heart beat of the city - would this matter?

Constructive Feedback said...

La♥Incognita:

Why is this a problem for you?

If I were calling Jody mean names would this motivate you any less to call me out?

* I do like Jody!
* I like Granny!
* I like Ernesto
* I like LAC
* I like Black Diaspora
* I like Black Girl #1
* I am still trying to figure out Ivan
* I am glad that Kid is gone!
* I miss Monie

* Though UptownSteve is a prick on the Internet - if we ever hung out we'd likely have a good time talking junk over beers

* I think that Filled Negro is cool too. I just won't eat any Ox Tails that he served to me unless I switched the plate that he gave me with his plate after I asked him to go back into the kitchen and get me some scotch bonnet sauce.

Anything else?

Mack Lyons said...

Who is this Anonymous guy? The one throwing around "nigger" like he's baying for attention? Reminds me of a needy Labrador Retriever with abandonment issues. I would throw a comment out there akin to "throw a bag over his head and drown him", but that would be cruel. For the dog.

Now, as far as the Ghetto Safari Tour thing, whatever gets people off. Personally, this whole "SEE THE WILD NIGGER IN ITS NATURAL HABITAT!!" thing is not only degrading, but it gets pretty fucking old. Just wait until one of these Tourista catches one in the dome. The operator of this Ghetto Safari joint will be buried in lawsuits for the rest of his natural life.

POVERTY is the defacto state of man. OVER GROWN WEEDS is the defacto state of a plot of land.

And not to jump on the nasty, stank-smelling, smoke-belching UCF city bus, it is indeed the defacto state of Man. And Man transcends poverty by not only working with his own hands, but with Man helping fellow Man with shared resources and opportunities. BTW, whenever I hear the term "unequal distribuiton of the wealth", I keep thinking of the kind that ends up being performed at the business end of a gun. Forced distribution only leads to people hiding their wealth in some rather creative ways.

uptownsteve said...

mellaneous,

"Uptown Steve- I liked what you had to say but don't understand why well meaning black folks like yourself and Fly have to get into a pissing contest."

IMHO Fly often goes off the deep end with her black male bashing (she said that EVERY black woman who has sex with a black man is high risk for HIV!!!!) and her claim that black people cannot maintain functional communities.

I have a serious problem with that.

"It does seem true that too many black middle class folks have gone the selfish route, so I really appreciate the ones who haven't like yourself Fly and Field."

Fly claims to live in Montgomery County because she feels more comfortable around white folks.

Isn't that selfish?

uptownsteve said...

CF

"Though UptownSteve is a prick on the Internet - if we ever hung out we'd likely have a good time talking junk over beers."

A prick?

I'll have you know that I am a fully erected hard-on.

Seriously though, even though you and I have jousted furiously over the web for the last 3 years, you have a sense of humor and I think at heart you're a good man.

Just misguided.

We probably would have fun tossin' a few frosty ones back.

Constructive Feedback said...

You see Mellaneous I saw "UCF" and didn't know you were talking about me until I read your post.

I didn't know you cared. :blush: :blush: :blush:

Tell me more about my eyes
(You did say you were a female - right?)

[quote]Speaking of selfish why do you guys argue with UnConstructive Feedback? He is clearly elitist and really has little to offer a discussion, because you know what he is going to say before he says it and then he says in such stilted ways. He has to be the most uptight Black person I have ever encountered.[/quote]

Mellanous:

Am I really an ELITIST?
Or do I REFUSE to allow people to RUN OVER ME? Including YOU?

It seems to me that you'd prefer a WEAK BLACK MAN who doesn't stand for anything and is not consistent. Who goes with the crowd and "Gets in where he fits in" because it is EASIER.


[quote]UCF goes so far out of the way to defend this system that he twists himself in knots trying to explain away racism, oppression, discrimination, unequal schools and unfair labor practices and even poverty wiithout indicting the system.

Mellaneous - YOU are positioning YOURSELF and others to receive pharmacological solutions contained in HYPODERMIC NEEDLES received by the GOVERNMENT that is shot into your arm or your BACK SIDE that is paid for by the SAME SYSTEM THAT YOU HATE and DON'T TRUST!!!

Which of us are out of alignment Mellaneous?


[quote]Did you all really read how he defined poverty? "POVERTY = THE ABSENCE OF A SYSTEM OF PRODUCTIVITY. POVERTY is the defacto state of man. OVER GROWN WEEDS is the defacto state of a plot of land. You get rid of POVERTY by working upon those who have a discombobulated set of actions who's horizontal friction as they interact with each other have a stultifying effect, keeping everyone grounded." [/quote]

Mellanous - I BEG YOU to go through the above phrase and DETAIL the portions in which I was WRONG? This is quite disappointing.

My entire day is contingent upon YOU accepting my definition.

[quote]Can anyone believe that crap. In case you didn't know UCF poverty is not having what you need to sustain one's self in this world. It can include a lack of food shelter and proper clothing or could mean just barely enough food shelter or clothing.[/quote]

Mellaneous:

What if I need VITAMIN C, D, E and Riboflavin for my SUSTENANCE DESPITE having an abundance of FOOD available to me? Am I "impoverished" if I am lacking this?


[quote]And most of it is caused by the unequal distribuiton of the wealth and unequal opportunities.[/quote]

(Boy do I have a live one in Mellaneous)

IF the United States gave Haiti a gold cube that was worth $21 BILLION - as a means of reparations BUT enforced a military blockade of the island - DESPITE their nominal WEALTH - do you predict that Haiti will no longer be an IMPOVERISHED country?

Here is what pains me about you Mellenous. And again - I am trying to consider you an honorable person: You mention inferior EDUCATION. I wonder how your perspective on this point changes as you see that FAVORABLE PEOPLE begin to run these institutions yet you STILL don't receive the ends that you desire.

Mellaneous - I have little doubt that YOU know how to point out OPPRESSION and the unequal allocation of resources.

I DON'T believe that you have the capacity to accept that a point has been arrived at after when YOU START EXPECTING better results BECAUSE "favorable people and policies" are in place to expect better.

[quote] You can pretend all you want that it is the person who is indeed victimized fault that they didn't jump over the hurdles in their way but the point you silly man is that the hurdles should not be in the way in the first place.[/quote]

I can see Mellanous going to the plains of Africa and telling the lions that it is UNFAIR that they grab zebra by the throat, suffocate them and EAT THEM, some times as they still are moving.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Just because you jumped the hurdles doesn't mean everyone else has the ability to jump them, that's why they are there in the first place.[/quote]

Mellanous - Any hurdles that I jumped over or crashed head first into were LEARNING EXPERIENCES for me. It was my job to see the PATTERN. To realize that these hurdles came very 50 meters and that I must take the appropriate steps and JUMP at a given rhythm.

I think that the bigger indictment is against YOU. I am not sure that you can bear to look at the hurdle that is in front of that sprinter with big, muscular legs where he is put stress on his skeletal system as he takes off and lands.

You seek to rush out to his rescue, lift him up, carry him around and let him down easy. Your "motherly instincts" causing more harm because YOU live vicariously through his suffering while not noting the need to allow a person to fly at their full potential.

agape2010 said...

@ FN:
"Maybe I could do the same thing here in Philly. I am sure that folks from middle A-merry-ca would just love to see where the Lex Street Murders took place...."

LOL!!

As long as you don't take them to "The Badlands" I guess it's OK...LOL!

Seriously, though, you gotta love free enterprise in this tough economy...pretty smart move I think.

I wonder what will happen when a stray bullet hits the lone white person that looks FOR danger...just like the movies, huh?

Peace.
~agape2010~

LACoincidental said...

AB - I'm not going to vest myself in hyperbole, because frankly it does little to help the problem. Has Obama missteps? Yes. Has the government help out bankers and let the middle class to drown? Yes. But you as usual are missing the point. We can list a laundry list of issues and gripes to our leaders, but until we hold them accountable or replace them, we're pissing in the wind.

Just because I don't like many of Obama's policies, it doesn't make me a brain dead groupie.

CF - You are probably the only pure Objectivist I've met since college. You believe wholly in a meritocracy that doesn't exist. Poverty is not the absence of a system of productivity. First, you have to define productivity, as its an inherent western concept.

Second, assuming western concepts of productivity and wealth, its not necessarily the absence of productivity, poverty is also correlated to the controls of capital and the benefits of productivity.

By your logic, slaves weren't poor, because they controlled the means of productivity -- i.e. their labor. They even got small plots of land to grow collard greens and a few yams. But, the slave owners benefits of productivity.

agape2010 said...

@ LA Coincidental:

Write that truth for all to read! I applaud you loudly and thank you gratefully for those words.

Peace.
~agape2010~

M. Rigmaiden said...

". First, you have to define productivity, as its an inherent western concept."

Why?

I consider the people in my Grandparents generation more productive than anybody nowadays because they CREATED things. Why can't productivity be synonymous with CREATIVE PRODUCTION and distribution?

Poverty really is the absence of productivity in that regard.

Anonymous said...

CF-"It seems to me that you'd prefer a WEAK BLACK MAN who doesn't stand for anything and is not consistent."

Right on. Mellaneous wants black men to remain spineless and agree with everything she says.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]CF - You are probably the only pure Objectivist I've met since college.[/quote]

Objectivist?

I was born in America, not the country Objectia. :lol:


[quote]You believe wholly in a meritocracy that doesn't exist. Poverty is not the absence of a system of productivity. First, you have to define productivity, as its an inherent western concept. [/quote]

My friend LAC - when I play YOUR theory "right back at cha" I notice the high correlation between people who hypothesis as you do and the near UNIVERSALITY that they would be UNWILLING to yield their notions of WESTERN CAPITALISTIC VALUES that affords them their present standard of living, instead living as a NON-OBJECTIVIST.


[quote]Second, assuming western concepts of productivity and wealth, its not necessarily the absence of productivity, poverty is also correlated to the controls of capital and the benefits of productivity. [/quote]

I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS.
I normally prefix my claim with the phrase "A FREE PEOPLE......". The constant scrutiny from Mellaneous has taken me off of my game. Sorry - she makes me nervous.

[quote]
By your logic, slaves weren't poor, because they controlled the means of productivity -- i.e. their labor.
They even got small plots of land to grow collard greens and a few yams. But, the slave owners benefits of productivity.[/quote]

Point well taken. This is why I say "Free Men".

But mind you LAC - the HISTORY OF MAN has shown that human interaction is more in line with the relation between the "Lion and the Zebra" and/or the "Lion and the Hyena" THAN IT HAS BEEN a tale that was globally regulated by notions of "Social Justice" and "George Bush Don't Like Black People".

In fact the present conditions in America are the EXCEPTIONS to the rule that history has recorded.

You can no more condemn me for being a "Pure Objectivist" for failing to note the disposition between slave and slave-master any more than I can accuse you of not knowing that the Vikings DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN the principle of meritocracy as a guiding principle to live up to in the first place. They killed the men, took the loot and raped the women REGARDLESS of such a principle.

alicia banks said...

lac:

are you kidding????

"accountability" is negated each time its call is met by "run for prez you hater!"

stop playing...i see you and your equally fake cheerleaders/fellow obamabots herein

you obama nazis are so transparent and hypocritical!

obama is in even MORE denial than you as MILLIONS who will never run for prez like me see his elitist bs as clearly as we do your twisted & coddling defenses of it

obama MUST do far more than fend off presidential pretenders!!!

he MUST do something for someone who is NOT a banker or a medical corp exec!!!

he MUST perform triage on fatally and perpetually bleeding homes and jobs!!!...


and THAT will be so no matter who ELSE runs for prez!

ie
WALMART IS CLOSING SAM STORE AND LAYING OFF....WALMART!!!!...
no politico's bid for prez will stem that!

alicia banks said...

lac et al:

wake up!


http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2010/01/25/daily2.html

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/24/news/economy/stimulus_infrastructure_spending/index.htm?hpt=C2

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/24/news/economy/stimulus_infrastructure_spending/index.htm?hpt=C2

alicia banks said...

the very worst of obama's failures are yet to come

as they loom, campaign plans of contenders to his prez seat will be irrelevant

we have 3 more yrs of obama/gwb 2.0's elitist tortures left!!!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-26/americas-crippled-by-bad-ideas/?cid=topic:mainpromo1

where IS all that hope & change?????

alicia banks said...

where are they???????

and all those new jobs obama promised???


http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/verizon-to-cut-10000-jobs-after-poor-q4-performance/

cactusrose said...

I guess maybe it's because the majority white people live in little sanitized boxes behind white picket fences! They CRAVE/NEED adventure, excitement! They climb Mount Everest, the Himalayas, and they freeze or fall to death in the process! They sail around the world with no arms or blind in a tub with no motor! We've all read about these exploits! It should come as no surprise..They don't care! There's a long list of silly dangerous, unneccesary things they do for the thrill of it! They like that sort of stuff! Maybe it's in their genes God bless them! So they'd prolly loooove it if they ran into a little action, who knows? Who understands them???
LOL!!!

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