"Them belly full, but we hungry;A hungry mob is a angry mob. A rain a fall, but the dirt it tough; A pot cook, but the food no nough."
As we listen to accounts from various A-merry-can newscasts and read newspapers telling us of the specter of mob violence hanging over Haiti. And as we hear the shocking stories of medical workers fleeing and leaving patients to die because they fear for their lives. Please take some time to reflect on the lyrics of St. Ann Parish's finest son, one Robert Nester Marley. Yes my friends, hungry mobs tend to get angry.
Oh but field, why can't they wait and be orderly like we would be here in A-merry-ca? Just because they haven't eaten in four days? Come on field, do you ever watch Survivor? Do you see how long those people go without food? You don't see them bum rushing the host- Jeff Probst- now do you field? That's because they are civilized, field. They are A-merry-cans.
But seriously,when I see these newscast and listen to folks in this blog focus on the potential violence in Haiti in makes sick to my stomach. Like honestly, can we really put ourselves in their position? I am so glad that here in A-merry-ca we have a brand new reality series to focus on to take our minds off Paris and Kate for a few more weeks. Let's just call it "How Long Can They Last In Haiti Before They Start Killing Each Other? I am surprised that some of these news outlets aren't selling spaces for sponsors. Think about it; a nice logo on the bottom of one of those helicopters for Snickers Bars. Or, have the hosts wear sponsored patches on their shirts like they do in soccer and golf. Just imagine Geraldo helping the rescuers try to dig out one of those poor Haitians from under the rubble of some building, and all the while that Home Depot logo is front and center on his sleeve. Talk about a "money shot".
Anyway, it was nice to see his O ness get 42 and 43 involved in the fund raising efforts for our brothers and sisters in Haiti. Those two guys can raise some serious cash. I would love to have just a page out of each of their rolodexes. Hey Billy Bob, it's me, George. Listen, do you have about a million to spare? Thank you, I really appreciate it. Go get em Bubba and George.
Finally, be careful where you send your money ,folks. Various law enforcement agencies are tracking some scam artist out there. There is nothing quite like a little crises to get some folks thinking how they can profit from it. That, of course, includes certain news outlets.
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... The French government became so annoyed when a plane with an emergency field hospital was turned back Friday that foreign minister Bernard Kouchner lodged a protest with the State Department, according to the French ambassador to Haiti, Didier Le Bret.
Le Bret said that the Port-au-Prince airport has become "not an airport for the international community. It is an annex of Washington."
"We were told it was an extreme emergency, there was a need for a field hospital," the ambassador said. "We might be able to make a difference and save lives." ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/16/AR2010011602921.html
France, return the 90-million gold franks plus interest to the Haitian people.
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Field, I can't watch the horror show that is now Haiti on TV, but you are most definitely correct hunger will drive them to do desperate things and unless you have walked a mile in their shoes who are we to judge. Another thing that bothers me are anonymous posters wrote a poem about it here it is:
I despise anonymous posters
and their obvious timidity
they usually just post bullshit
on that we all should agree
mainly they are vulgar
and quite often infantile
maybe they're just stupid
or verging on senile
either way they are pussies
afraid to make a stand
hiding in the shadows
stand tall and be a man
like Constructive Feedback
with whom I seldom agree
at least he has convictions
put there for all to see
to all anonymous pussies
someday you'll grow a pair
unless you have been neutered
in that case your cupboards bare
AMEN, FIELD.
Field, I'm standing next to Race Traitoress shouting Amen, amen, and amen again right along with her. You read my thoughts!
I have a terrible headache.
Thirded. I don't know why some *cough* are obsessed with violence. The UN reports that the situation in general is calm even though there have been minor isolated incidents. Calm, despite the fact that the entire place has collapsed, Haiti's police force was logistically destroyed by the quake and that Haiti has no army. Calm, despite the fact that their world has been blown to bits and the buildings that housed their parliament and president no longer exist. Calm despite catastrophe. Calm despite losing their homes, loved ones and friends.
Contrast that with conservatives here buying ammo and guns when Obama was elected for fear of social collapse or Goldman Sachs stockpiling vaccines and also buying weapons when they thought us little people were getting too wise to their scams and their theft of our money.
--j
Watching coverage of Haiti is becoming harder each day. I was told as a child to "read between the lines" and the words between the lines in the Haiti news coverage are saying black folks are dangerous. I will never understand why white folks are so quick to play the "dangerous negro" card considering their long history of violence against other human being. Oh, I forgot all their "dirt" get whitewash.
You know how "them" people are. We are not allowed to get angry, fustrated or show any emotion outside of glee that our saviors are even bothering to help. And I'm curious as to what exactly are the Haitians allegedly "looting"? Food? Water?
Is anyone blaming anyone for the violence? It's understandable. The people are desperate; the Haitian government is nowhere to be found; the situation is dire. This is one of the things that happens. I hope it doesn't break down into complete chaos, but I fear that it will.
By the way, will you people stop being so fucking defensive for once in your fearful victim-obsessed lives? You could cut your utter lack of self-confidence with a chain saw.
You are utterly terrified that someone who isn't black will observe anything that's less than completely wonderful about some black person somewhere. It's unbelievably, unbearably pathetic.
@grinder
You are utterly terrified that someone who isn't black will observe anything that's less than completely wonderful about some black person somewhere. It's unbelievably, unbearably pathetic.
Aw, c'mon, grinder. Really? I don't think anyone would argue if you dissed Tiger's philandering, or Chris Brown's beat down of Rhianna, or. . .well, anyway. . .but it's your painting with a broad brush that gets people steamed.
And then when you start in with the "you people" talk, well, that's gonna rile folks. Can't say I blame them.
"You people" = the handful of people on this blog who go utterly batshit when anyone who isn't black says anything less than wonderful about any black person anywhere on earth.
I was thinking about this over the last couple days, and the answer popped into my head: It's a lack of self-confidence.
Look, I am gay, and my tribe is at least as despised as yours. (True, not enslaved, but then neither was anyone on this blog ever enslaved.) But I don't go crazy when someone, somewhere criticizes gay people. Hell, I'll agree with half the shit people say about us.
Not so with the crew around here about black people, and I think it's because in some corner of your mind that isn't very small, you wonder if you really are inferior.
I don't think you are. And because I don't, I've got no problem telling it like it is, or how I think it is. If I thought blacks were inferior I'd sugar coat everything, sort of like they do with the Special Olympics.
Or I'd be like Race Traitoress, and go to outlandish, laughable efforts to overcompensate for my shame about my true feelings. The fact that I'll be candid about the fuck ups of those black people who fuck up is a sign of respect, but you don't see it and I suspect you never will.
I don't care if you disagree with stuff I mention. Hell, I'm wrong sometimes. But the pathetic whining about "Grinder the racist" is foolish and demeaning -- to you, not me. Do you ever get just a little bit tired of your pitiful act?
GRINDER, of course you don't understand, you are on the OUTSIDE looking in, so of course you JUDGE!
The HAITIAN people are making the MEDIA angry, so the MEDIA is making up stuff, there were food line's today, and the people were NOT acting like a bunch of SEETHING ANIMAL'S! they showed DISCIPLINE and ORDER!
I don't know what the MEDIA want's but, FOX is talking DOOM and GLOOM! they are making it seem as if the HAITIAN'S are about to EXPLODE any minute now! they are saying (When night fall's, watch OUT, those HAITIAN'S will go on the RAMPAGE!!!
Keith Olberman, has been on some type of HAITIAN HIGH all week! now, this surprise's me, when it come's to KEITH, but, I guess, he can't help it, it's as if, something has over taken these WHITE MEN! seem to me, they cannot stay intact unless they see VIOLENCE! and they want it from us! BLACK PEOPLE!
It doesn't seem to have that affect on the few BLACK NEW'S REPORTER'S, they seem to be CALM, so far! but, who know's, by MONDAY, poor TAMARA HALL of MSNBC may have to travel to HAITI and Pay someone, to get some STUFF STARTED, this is how desperate, some of these CABLE NETWORK'S are becoming! the MEDIA will do whatever it take's to get ACTION!
The MEDIA is known to go looking for the WORST! and if they can't find it, they will CREATE it!
iseeisee
Nina Simone:
"And I'm curious as to what exactly are the Haitians allegedly "looting"? Food? Water?"
You know I was curious about the same thing since everything is crushed under concrete. I'm so sick of hearing "looting" and "violent" as the only two comments from the news media concerning Haiti. It would be nice to hear them talk about helping set someone that is still alive free from under all that rubble, but I guess that doesn't come under their definition "rescue" anymore.
GRINDER, you need PRAYER, trust me, you do! you have too many issue's to count, for some STRANGE reason, you cannot stay away from BLACK PEOPLE! now why is that? what do you want from us?
GRINDER we DO NOT need your input on our intelligence, we do NOT need you to OBSERVE us, your perception of our people matter's NOT!
I guess, because you are GAY, you think you can feel or PAIN, NO! not so, you walk in CHOICE! we were FORCED to SURVIVE in spite of the choice's, being made for us!
I will NOT condemn your behavior, that is between you and GOD, but, I will say, you are dealing with GUILT! why is that? are you NOT happy and content in your state? are you NOT being FULFILLED with your CHOICE? for if so, why seek to be ACCEPTED? why SEEK to be INCLUDED? you seek for INCLUSION, Why is that GRINDER?
ISEEISEE
Field, don't you get the impression you have seen all this somewhere before? Well, that's right we did. Hurricane Katrina, where our lovely caucasian media types felt it was necessary to portray the storm victims as scary darkies running amok and reverting to their base nature of animal-like behavior. There is a pathology at work here, and it is based on the sickness of racial superiority. You will NEVER see European people accused of looting when they are looking for food and water after a disaster. You will NEVER see white victims of a disaster referred to as "dangerous" or "gangs" or any of the buzzwords that are used to describe black people in similar desparate situations. Why is this?
P.S.
Grinder...do everyone a favor and STFU. Either you are playing the part of the clueless white guy to provoke a reaction, or you are actually one. Either way, enough of your BS.
My wife was involved in the Katrina rescue efforts, and she, too, noticed disparity. Pale people like us were "foraging". Persons of color were "looting".
Did, in fact, have a discussion with a "house cat" on the subject of "Impatience" of those people yesterday. He seemed to feel that docility was the answer. That's, of course, the REAL 'Murkin way in a crisis (stand in line, do what you're told...oh, he died waiting? Well he probably wasn't worth saving, then. Shot that woman rummaging around where 'looting" is endemic? She was hungry? Needed bedding? Sorry, disorder can't be tolerated...) because the boys and girls in uniform aren't there to help you, they are there to "preserve order" and "assist authority".
Couldn't make this person understand that folks in Haiti are probably pretty much close to the edge on nutrition when things were going "well", so they have no real margin of time before things like starvation become more problematic.
He shrugged. "Well, they have to learn patience", he sloganised once again.
But, this is an example of what they tell you and tell you in any survival class: you can only depend on yourself in an emergency.
wakeup people the relief effort is all about protecting the gold and oil of haiti.
Here's a perfect example of what this paranoia is leading to:
Security concerns cause doctors to leave hospital, quake victims
Port-au-Prince, Haiti (CNN) -- Earthquake victims, writhing in pain and grasping at life, watched doctors and nurses walk away from a field hospital Friday night after a Belgian medical team evacuated the area, saying it was concerned about security.
Full story is on the CNN website. Here's another excerpt:
Retired Army Lt. Gen. Russel Honore, who led relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina in 2005, said the evacuation of the clinic's medical staff was unforgivable.
"Search and rescue must trump security," Honoré said. "I've never seen anything like this before in my life. They need to man up and get back in there."
Honoré drew parallels between the tragedy in New Orleans, Louisiana, and in Port-au-Prince. But even in the chaos of Katrina, he said, he had never seen medical staff walk away.
"I find this astonishing these doctors left," he said. "People are scared of the poor."
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They aren't the only ones, apparently. The news coverage is only helping to contribute to this tragedy.
[quote]like Constructive Feedback
with whom I seldom agree
at least he has convictions
put there for all to see[/quote]
Gee Frog - I didn't know you cared.
I look forward to the day when you move from telling me THAT you disagree with me over to you writing a detail poem on WHY YOU THINK I AM WRONG.
[quote]Contrast that with conservatives here buying ammo and guns when Obama was elected for fear of social collapse[quote]
J - I have to reluctantly agree with you on this one.
Just look at the MURDER SPREE that has been taking place among CONSERVATIVES........BECAUSE they now have more guns in their possession.
If you want to use the MLK Day to protest against these damned gun stores - just let me know and I will be there.
We have got to STOP these Conservatives from killing each other - after having their fears stoked by Fox News. Let's shut down "Smith & Wesson" AND Fox News!!! This nation would be a better place.
Or at least more Blacks would be made happy for it. I am not sure how long this "happiness" will last though once other real world issues remain. RE: Obama.
:-/
[quote]They aren't the only ones, apparently. The news coverage is only helping to contribute to this tragedy.
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Ernesto - do you consider yourself to be a "Narcissistic"/"The World Revolves Around ME and what I think" type of person?
Short of the Haitian people having SATELLITE television to watch CNN - exactly HOW does CNN's coverage impact the SITUATION IN HAITI?
Is it impacting DONATIONS from Americans - which is on a record pace?
Is it causing the USA to stop sending human resources to help?
Exactly WHAT IS IT Ernesto EXCEPT being DISTURBING TO YOU - and your world view?
How about this Ernesto - why don't you record a video for presentation to the young Haitian males on the street who might lead the unrest.
NO - I am NOT talking about the vast majority of the MEN who are focused on MANAGING THEIR COMMUNITY and rescuing people.
I want you to record a video that will be presented to THE VOLATILE YOUNG MEN. I will do my part to figure out a way that your video message to them, made with the purposes to calm their fears can be showed to each and every one of them.
Make the video and send me the YouTube URL.
THIS would be your greatest contribution that will actually IMPACT SOMETHING ON THE GROUND IN HAITI.
Thank you in advance.
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Senegal offers land to Haitians
September 2009
Senegalese President Abdoulaye Wade, said Haitians could "return to their origin"
Senegal's president says he will offer free land and "repatriation" to people affected by the earthquake in Haiti.
President Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians were sons and daughters of Africa since Haiti was founded by slaves, including some thought to be from Senegal.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8463921.stm
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Oh but field, why can't they wait and be orderly like we would be here in A-merry-ca? Just because they haven't eaten in four days? Come on field, do you ever watch Survivor? Do you see how long those people go without food? You don't see them bum rushing the host- Jeff Probst- now do you field? That's because they are civilized, field. They are A-merry-cans.
FN your posts are good till you start this part where you begin to pretend you can hear what others will say. It's kind of stupid.
Another thing that bothers me are anonymous posters wrote a poem about it here it is:
Another stupid nigger, anyone can pick any name they choose on here and still be anonymous...it's a name dick wad.
oh look Frog, I am not anonymous anymore, you know so much more about me now that I am not...right dumbass.
Grinder,
It's called Racism Chasing. It's a fun game created by FN. It gives him reason to exist.
Unfort. it hurts FN's credibility when the real stuff comes up. You have been here long enough to see this.
The American Army is coordinating the aid effort from Port-au-Prince airport, so take this as gospel the Haitians are screwed. The U.S. Army is one of the most bureaucratic inefficient organizations I have ever known.I guarantee some Colonel asshole is at the airport counting every grain of rice before it distributed.
From what my contacts are telling me the supplies are not able to leave the airport because of the following reasons:
1. The roads are damaged or blocked, and the Army brought wheeled (road restricted) trucks which are not off road capable.Unfortunately the army started phase out light tracked vehicle primarily the M113 series under Shenseki. A M1108 Universal tracked carrier would have overcome this problem. However again failure due to Army incompetence.
2. The operation is spearheaded by Airborne troops.My contact says he is frustrated because he believes that Combat Engineers and Logistical Troops are who should be leading the effort. Airborne troops are not trained and do not have the capability to effect a efficient response.
Field you are going love this. The Jamaica Defence Force (JDF) seeing the inefficiency of the US Army has requested and gotten from the Haitian Govt land outside the airport so they can coordinate and distribute the aid from Jamaica and CARICOM more efficiently. JDF Air Wing has also gotten priority status for its aircraft second only to US military and aid aircraft. YARDIES STAND UP!!!
My recommendation the aid effort should be lead by the U.S. Navy they have more experience in aid and rescue efforts than any other branch of the armed services.
As for charities avoid Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing the last time he did an "aid drive" the money went to by helicopters and aircraft for his diamond mine in Zaire.
* buy* helicopter
Well, I for one happen to agree wholeheartedly with FN. The media seem to delight in replaying video of Haitians scrabbling over the supply drops and pointing out incidents of people being grabby. I can't even imagine going without food, and particularly water, for days on end. Oh, and I'm just waiting for someone to diss Hillary and co. for bringing cigarettes.
...yop
"By the way, will you people stop being so fucking defensive for once in your fearful victim-obsessed lives? You could cut your utter lack of self-confidence with a chain saw."
That's a new one. I have been accused of a lot of things in my life, but lacking "self confidence" has never been one of them. :)
Grinder, your total misread of me and my intentions lead me to believe that you aere waaayyy off base on a lot of other things.
I stil can't figure you out, though. Serious question: Are there any black people where you live? You seem to be only familiar with a...how do I say it? Certain type of black person. It's as if your world view and your views of our race is influenced by a very limited set of things.
It would be kind of like me being a fan of The Sopranos on HBO and thinking that all Italians are in the mob. See where I am coming from Grinder?
Maybe you need to turn off your television for a few days and get out more. Go to a black church in your neighborhood and introduce yourself to the people. I think you will enjoy the experience. Honestly.
JohnCrow,
I did see footage of a C130 loading a helicopter. You can image it was small, I would think they'd need to send Chinooks, if they hadn't already.
Watching the news reports now... hmmm,the people sure look orderly to me. No riots yet. Sorry grinder.:(
Anon. 9:26 am & 9:29am, have you ever considerd a career as a blog critic? I am guessing that there is a big market out there for it. :)
As for charities avoid Pat Robertson's Operation Blessing the last time he did an "aid drive" the money went to by helicopters and aircraft for his diamond mine in Zaire."
Thanks for the 411 JC. Although it's not like he was going to get a dime of my money to pay the likes of that house Negro jigging next to him.
JDF representing! I love that. :)
Hathor said :
JohnCrow,
I did see footage of a C130 loading a helicopter. You can image it was small, I would think they'd need to send Chinooks, if they hadn't already.
It was probably a MH-6 "little bird" helicopter.The take off capacity of the C 130 Hercules is 18 tons.You are right they need Chinooks it is a very versatile aircraft (see excellent capabilities at 34sec). The C 17 Globalmaster and C 5 Galaxy are the only aircraft that can airlift Chinooks. However, due their limited number and two wars they are unlike to made available for the effort.
Just a correction Hathor apparently some C 17 Global masters have been made available. Not sure if the Army is as aware as you are for the need of Chinooks. I will do some checks and see what i can find out.
Field said:
JDF representing! I love that.
I thought you would. :)
After seeing all the coverage on Haiti and all the comments and controversy, it's easy to notice not much is being said. What exactly is going to be done, or can be done, about Haiti. Very few people even seem to have any real ideas. After the quake aftermath is over, what will become of Haiti?
I cosign with frog 100%!! I stick to only reading comments from folks with username names with few exceptions.
As for the situation in Haiti, it does look a lot like Katrina part 2 as far as how the people are being treated. But did anyone really expect anything different?
FYI, one of those assnons Frog speaks of "came out" in the post about Ford.
Yeah LaIncognigga, looks like your black ass is busted!
I want to keep watching the coverage but everytime they start with the violence/looter spin, I change the channel.
It was refreshing to finally get a report through the eyes of a darkie like me- Allen guy fon CNN- it makes a difference.
Field, I think you need to put yourself in the HOUSE for throwing Wyclef under the bus so fast. Who knows what attention and who was providing attention to the administrative duties of his organization but what was clear by the report, he was /had got the organization compliant and it happen before this diaster.
Damn, a brother who calls himself "field" can't give another brother the benefit of the doubt.
i would be shocked if Chimpy raised any money at all that actually got applied to legit relief efforts and not scam operations to enrich his buddies in the "reconstruction" biz.
as to the "looting," we all remember those newz pics from NOLA, right? black people taking food = "looting," white people taking food = "foraging." most folks in Haiti have brown or black skin, so of course the SCLM is going to go on and on about how they are on the verge of rioting and always stealing what doesn't belong to them.
how many of those kinds of stories did you read after the tsunami, a few years back? not too many. asians aren't white, but "everybody knows" they don't do evil things like rioting. only black people do that. same deal with coverage of the "orange revolution." white people agitating = democratic change! /eyeroll/
Field,
After you put yourself in the "house" for prejudging Wyclif, put your Prime Minister Bruce Golding in the "field." He told a reporter trying to get him to comment on his tained question about a Cuban and Caricon planes not being able to land, " I appreciate the chaos and confusion at Haiti's airport, where there is just one operational runway."
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=161583443
they don't do evil things like rioting. only black people do that.
HMMMMMMM I wonder how folks even got this notion????
I cosign with frog 100%!! I stick to only reading comments from folks with username names with few exceptions.
Bullshit. You get into fights with anons all the time you lying piece of nappy headed shame. How can you do that without reading their posts?
Stupid.
Well Mr. Field, finally a subject on which I have a bit more gravitas than most here. You see, I served for 23 months in the Peace Corps in Haiti. Know the people well. As you say a beautiful people full of honest emotion, caring and generosity. I cant count the number of times families with little, offerring to share with a foreigner whose ribs were far from showing. I was not in Port au prince however. I was in the country. A village called "Madame Zwa" close to Maissade and Hinche. The nearest city was the horrible Gonives. A terrible place indeed.
Lets be clear here. There is little spontaneous violence so far. The roaming gangs preying on the people existed before the quake. They terrorized the people a year ago and the quake did nothing to stop it. The machete weilding men ruled the slums of City solei and Delmas and they continue their reign of terror. Nothing new under the sun. No doubt a few old tontons will gather and, well, being a gangster is a skill that doesnt seem to fade.
The problem is that all govt officials, police and military types have taken what they can carry and saved themselves. Corruption is endemic to ANYONE with a drop of power. Unfortunate indeed. From what I hear from people on the island the people themselves expect exactly what you blame the media of expecting. Its easy to sit in an upscale townhouse and tell others what to believe. The people who are living through it watch neither FOX, MSNBC or read this blog. Ill listen to them before you. with all due respect of course.
Mr. Field, you must point your jaded finger of blame at those Hatians who abandoned their people and those who prey upon them before you look for the nearset white face. A tough task for you to be sure. It must be done.
Im not in the blame game however. If it works for you? cool. Feel happy tonight. You chide those right wingers who use this tragedy as political fodder then you turn around and do just that. You use it as a weapon against your political enemy. Hypocrisy at its purest. not that it bothers you though.
I know what lies ahead for these people. I know the world will tire of this and focus on important issues like Kate Gosselin and Ms. Jolies new boobjob. SAD SAD SAD.
A long road of tears, blood and sufferring for these people seems to have no end.
An old hatian saying:
"Petit Petit zwazo fi niche"
--little by little the bird builds its nest--
Lets hope the world stays interested long enough for the nest to be complete.
Erasure:
The removal of truths and knowledge garnered from the margins or the silenced.
Mr. Field, you must point your jaded finger of blame at those Hatians who abandoned their people and those who prey upon them before you look for the nearset white face. A tough task for you to be sure. It must be done
C'mon Racism Chasers cannot do this. FN ain't that enlightened.
Great post Mr. Whitey.
Lamar
"Damn, a brother who calls himself "field" can't give another brother the benefit of the doubt."
Please read my comments on this subject again and get back to me. I haven't thrown Wyclife under the bus. I AM giving him the benefit of the doubt. But what's the title of that famous Doobie Brothers song? Oh yeah, "What A Fool Believes He Sees." See the fake Aussie above, Lamar, as another example of this. :)
"Mr. Field, you must point your jaded finger of blame at those those Hatians who abandoned their people and those who prey upon them before you look for the nearset white face. A tough task for you to be sure. It must be done.Im not in
the blame game however. If it works for you? cool. Feel happy tonight. You chide those right wingers who use this tragedy as political fodder then you turn around and do just that. You use it as a weapon against your political enemy. Hypocrisy at its purest. not that it bothers you though."
Nope,it's not hard for me at all. I have pointed fingers at Third World leaders and African American leaders many times in the past.(Google it) Again, see the title to that Doobie song.
"Im not in the blame game however"
Really? You could have fooled me.
And "Whitey" just what the hell was the point of your lecture about Haitian leaders? What does that have to do with the suffering of people in Haiti (to quote the [un]construcive one] to DAMNDAY?
It's never cool to blame the victim.
Field,
This post is why I love you!! I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments and was questioning myself why the "media" was trying to make all Haitians look uncivilized and violent.
Anyways, they are not fooling me with their "these people are so violent that we fear for our lives as we try to help them" routine. Please!!
Donate, Donate and donate some more. God Bless Haiti as they find their way out of this mess.
Haiti has the highest fertility rate in the Western Hemisphere. That's a real problem for a country that poor. Yet, no efforts have been mad to address the situation or provide family planning of any kind. Half of Haiti's population are under the age of 20. There has been zero discussion of this issue and the impact it has had, and is having right now.
OOOH, Mr. Field. Where oh where did I blame the "people" of Haiti? I pointed out the existence of the gangs that rule and "have ruled" the streets of port au prince. I have pointed out the deep corruption that exists and "has existed" in Haiti. (Duvalier ring a bell? Tonton macout seem familiar?). Try to spin that into "the victims are to blame" please.
Cheap, even for you.
If the current condition of Port au prince isnt even in part the fault of the pathologically corrupt government or even the gangs create fear and steal from women and children then exactly where does fault, if any, lie? It aint with the people and it aint with the US right wing.
My point was that the people in Haiti expect the same level of chaos that the media apparently do. That must mean there is a real threat of that. It isnt because of race, which you feel is the fulcrum of modern societal behavior. It is because of the totality of circumstances that exist in Port au prince today. Terrible govt and violent gangs factor in to that.
You have indeed pointed a finger at black governments before, you havent done in here.
Very defensive Mr. Field....just sayin.
Americans have a poor grasp of history and geography yet it doesn't stop them from running their mouths about things they know nothing about for the sake of deluding them themselves about their own sense of superiority. How empty does someone's life have to be to keep up such a façade.
Field you knocked this one out the park! That "Survivor" theme was awesome.
"GRINDER, you need PRAYER, trust me, you do! you have too many issue's to count, for some STRANGE reason, you cannot stay away from BLACK PEOPLE! now why is that? what do you want from us"
"GRINDER we DO NOT need your input on our intelligence, we do NOT need you to OBSERVE us, your perception of our people matter's NOT!"
Thank you. The audacity of his willful-arrogant-ignorance never cease to amaze me. He still thinks black people can't see his racist condescending pathologies.
He's clearly battling with personal demons, but like any inherently obsessed racist, he seeks refuge overseeing and wagging his condescending finger at black people as a diversion entitlement from deeper personal problems he should be taking care of elsewhere.
He may be gay, but he's also grossly racist. He thinks black people should be below him on the social totem pole, as well as in humanity. He is double dangerous. I'm always pleased when he comes out and show his true stripes and tail.
Btw, I agree with you on this post FIeld.
Or I'd be like Race Traitoress, and go to outlandish, laughable efforts to overcompensate for my shame about my true feelings.
I was with you until you attributed my shame to my "true feelings." I've got plenty of "white" shame, it's true, but I'm not ashamed of my true feelings. I AM ashamed of the desperate measures "my people" (and I say that entirely tongue-in-cheek) will go to to protect their unearned privilege and to vilify those with darker skin.
A majority of Americans support ethnic, gender, and age profiling of air travelers. Now that's something of which to be ashamed.
Mr. Whitey, I'm just wondering, do you blame Native Americans for their own plight too?
I guess it just easier for those of seemingly only European desent to convienently forget the fact that they've nearly destroyed EVERY land/people they ever "discovered". Yeah, utterly convienent!
@ realist
as you say, Haiti may have the highest birthrate, but it probably also has the lowest life expectancy!
as you say, Haiti may have the highest birthrate, but it probably also has the lowest life expectancy!
However, the population has continued to grow and not decline. That leads to the conclusion that birthrates outpace low life expectancy.
"Haiti has the highest fertility rate in the Western Hemisphere. That's a real problem for a country that poor. Yet, no efforts have been mad to address the situation or provide family planning of any kind. Half of Haiti's population are under the age of 20."
Why is everytime I hear a white people mention the birthrate of people of color. I see disguised euginics? Hmmm...yet, white birthrates are a cause for celebration.
BTW, Whitey, I too am waiting on you to answer Fly's question "Mr. Whitey, I'm just wondering, do you blame Native Americans for their own plight too?" because I was curious about the same thing myself. Inquiring minds wants to know and I am one of them.
Why is everytime I hear a white people mention the birthrate of people of color. I see disguised euginics? Hmmm...yet, white birthrates are a cause for celebration.
The reason for that is because you are ill-informed. Please look up the term carrying capacity sometime. You might also find that the poorest countries tend to be both overpopulated and with very large populations in their twenties and below.
Haiti has long been a country that is effected by environmental pressures to a high degree-higher even than its neighbor, the Dominican Republic. So, Haiti is much more sensitive to higher population densities and their effect on the environment.
BTW, I believe they are trying to discredit Wycleff. I watched him on tv not too long ago way before the earthquake hit delivering help the Haitians. It was him and a couple of celebrities. He has always put his money where his mouth is as far as his people are concerned. I would trust his organization as far as helping Haiti before I would the other so-called legit ones.
There was a reason why BET had a marathon fund raiser for the victims of Katrina and from what my relatives who lived there during Katrina told me I can understand why. Discrimination is an ugly thing.
Yeah, you right I'm not an environmentalist. Nevertheless, are they preaching birth control in Russia, Germany, France, and a few other places because those appear to be some pretty populated places as well?
granny, everything that has been written about wyclef was taken from his IRS tax return.
there is no reason to trust him to be able to handle millions of dollars meant for others--based on the way the charity was operated for the previous 12 years.
he only filed that return last year. $400,000 went to him and his associates for a concert. it's all there--all you have to do is get informed.
there is no infrastructure in place under his organization. period. it's a waste of money that would better be given to organizations that have been there a long time and know what they are doing.
his does not fit that category. i have posted many links about this. if you choose to remain uneducated about it, that's your choice. but know that you are simply ignoring facts.
Yeah, you right I'm not an environmentalist. Nevertheless, are they preaching birth control in Russia, Germany, France, and a few other places because those appear to be some pretty populated places as well?
Actually, Russia, Germany, and France either have stable or declining birth rates. In Russia they are offering incentives to couples to have children.
And Asia and India tops the cake. I know that some over in Asia are preaching birth control and limiting births. See you right, I might lack knowledge of that but I'm just curious as to why it always seems to be a top priority for nations that are heavily populated with blacks to be convinced to practice birth control even right here in the USA.
@iseeisee, you're a lunatic. You see a white devil around every corner.
@field, you're willing to call out black people who screw it up. It is a big reason why I respect you. That much said, you frequently descend into typical race-hustling. The unfortunate thing is that there IS racism here, but some of the crap you engage in here serves to discredit true accusations.
@realist, no one goes batshit about "black birthrates." The issue is, as you note, carrying capacity.
@granny, wycliff is a fraud and a thief. The latest in a long line of people who have ripped off Haiti.
@Race Traitoress, your true feelings are that black people are inferior and deserving of pity, to the degree that you want to become black so you can be as pure and pitiful as you think they are. It's actually kind of amusing to watch you.
@La Idiot, your name (the one I have given you, that is) says it all.
You chide those right wingers who use this tragedy as political fodder then you turn around and do just that. You use it as a weapon against your political enemy. Hypocrisy at its purest. not that it bothers you though.
BINGO!
Hmmm...that is strange because they made the most populated list and now they are giving incentatives for them to have children.
I'm just curious as to why it always seems to be a top priority for nations that are heavily populated with blacks to be convinced to practice birth control even right here in the USA.
If you can't support your spawn, then you shouldn't spawn. Doesn't matter what color you are.
this is rudimentary.
the catholic church forbids most forms of birth control. there is overpopulation whereever there are lots catholics.
ain't got a THING to do with race (eg, the philippines).
Grinder:
I watched that man on television over there feeding Haitians before the earthquake. I saw it with my own eyes. Where was the RED CROSS and all those other charities at then when the people were eating mud pies to survive? It wasn't like it was a secret that they were starving to death over there.
Nevertheless, you want to villify him. Can't have any black person outshining anyone white in good deeds or anything else now can we? I mean that would totally destroy the myth that whites have created throughout history of blacks people being worthless, subhuman beings now wouldn't it. Well, like Disapora said that is to be expected. After all, they villified Acorn and have not yet to this day even after they were found not guilty of any crimes, set about trying to rectify the wrong done to them. Therefore, from this day on out we don't expect any changes in the way they go about try to make all black folks look like criminals.
Would some please someone tell me where I can stock up on BS spray. It appears that BS spray is becoming a very needed commodity for black folks to spray their way through deception practices of those who wish them ill.
@Race Traitoress, your true feelings are that black people are inferior and deserving of pity, to the degree that you want to become black so you can be as pure and pitiful as you think they are. It's actually kind of amusing to watch you.
Well, thank you, grinder, for your insight into my "true feelings." Spoken like an arrogant white man who believes he knows everyone else better than they know themselves.
Your pretzel logic is making me crave beer. Dark beer, as a matter of fact--lolz. Inferior = pure, eh? Whatev.
BTW, that man was Wyclef!
Wow, I see the real grinder is coming out now. He is now on an attack spree. In his comments to Race traitoress he let us know what he really thinks about us black folks.
Before Grinder went to popping off I believe that Realist and I were having a civil conversation that I had some question marks about. Nevertheless, it is amazing what a civil conversation can bring out in some folks faking and shaking.
Anyways...
You were saying Realist? I am curious about what you and I were talking about.
"And Asia and India tops the cake. I know that some over in Asia are preaching birth control and limiting births. See you right, I might lack knowledge of that but I'm just curious as to why it always seems to be a top priority for nations that are heavily populated with blacks to be convinced to practice birth control even right here in the USA."
Granny,
It is certainly not just 'black' nations that suffer from overpopulation. China's "one child" policy is a direct result of the government trying to halt rapid population growth. India is also struggling with overpopulation and a lack of resources-mostly water. However, Africa is also having a real problem as well: The population of Ethiopia alone is scheduled to double by 2050.
"this is rudimentary.
the catholic church forbids most forms of birth control. there is overpopulation whereever there are lots catholics.
ain't got a THING to do with race (eg, the philippines)."
That is true. Yet, Muslim countries also are notorious for denying birth control and preventing family planning; hence, most Muslim majority countries are overpopulated as well.
Granny,
The population of Russia is actually declining.
Regarding those Doctors who left Sanjay Gupta alone. The UN DID NOT order them out. The Belgian Team made the call to pull out at dark.
According to CNN:
CNN initially reported, based on conversations with some of the doctors, that the United Nations ordered the Belgian First Aid and Support Team to evacuate. However, Belgian Chief Coordinator Geert Gijs, a doctor who was at the hospital with 60 Belgian medical personnel, said it was his decision to pull the team out for the night. Gijs said he requested U.N. security personnel to staff the hospital overnight, but was told that peacekeepers would only be able to evacuate the team.
He said it was a "tough decision" but that he accepted the U.N. offer to evacuate after a Canadian medical team, also at the hospital with Canadian security officers, left the site Friday afternoon. The Belgian team returned Saturday morning.
IOW, they got skeered.
--j
omg, granny.
your ridiculios defense of wyclef is beneath you. read his damn return!
do you really think he was the only "charity" there? have you never heard of food for the poor, etc.? there are HUNDREDS of real charities there. have been for years.
do you support him just because he's black? seems so.
he's grandstanding--posing with celebs! does the red cross do that? why in the world would that mean anything to you?
http://www.standwithhaiti.org/haiti
http://www.foodforthepoor.org/help/quake_updates/
http://www.redcross.org/portal/site/en/menuitem.1a019a978f421296e81ec89e43181aa0/?vgnextoid=fe7ad3db31b36210VgnVCM10000089f0870aRCRD
i honestly am appalled at your comments. and go on and keep ignoring me and focusing on grinder, cuz that's comfortable for you.
Yeah that is true Realist, I was gonna mention that Middle East Countries are on the most populated list as well.
But that still does not explain to me why birth control is a top priority with blacks because even over here in the USA they seem to be on the birth control top priority list. Yet, on Fox News I forget his name they were telling whites to have more babies. Evidently, some are starting to do that because we have reality shows of whites who are having lots of kids and getting paid big bucks.
That's the part that puzzles me.
In his comments to Race traitoress he let us know what he really thinks about us black folks.
I am letting you know what "Race Traitoress" really thinks. She believes you to be inferior beings worthy of pity. It's both amusing and sad to see.
Wycliff is a thief. He and a crony took more than $400K from the "charity," and then shut it down rather than file financial reports. A con man is a con man. You want to give that thief your money? Go right ahead.
Maria:
You don't pump any fear here with me and I am not avoiding you. I didn't see your comment. BTW, I am very comfortable in my skin talking to and with anyone and anybody.
No, I am not defending him because he is black, I am telling you what I watch and saw with my own eyes on TELEVISION. Also, I am going by what my own relatives told me who were Katrina victims about what really went on during Katrina. Even after 9/11 happened and funds poured in, many of those who lost their families in that tragedy complained about not getting any of the funds intended for them and they were not black.
Even Haitian people will tell you how Wyclef has helped them.
No, I am not defending him because he is black
That is exactly why you are defending him. If Wycliff were white, you'd be all over his thieving ass. Come on, a thief is a thief. As for being on television, hell, Pat Robertson and Jimmy Swaggart and Sarah Palin are on television. Wise up!
BTW, Mexico is overpopulated. Their population has gone from 20 million to more than 100 million in the last 50 or 60 years, but their economy can't support that increase, nor can their water supply. That's why so many of them are coming here.
In case you haven't noticed, Hispanics are now the largest minority group in the U.S., and will far outnumber blacks within 20 years.
Fly, and Mrs. Granny. I neither blame the native americans for their plight or the Hatians for theirs. If you read my post and concluded I blame the hatian people for the current situation, I cant help you. As the Doobie song goes... you see what you want to see. Please read again.
Truth be told, if we ARE looking for somebody to blame it would be the French. For insisting on "repayment" for kicking them out of Haiti that totaled $21 billion in todays dollars it killed the country and it hasnt been able to recover.
The crappy govt didnt help at all, but starting behind by 21 bill ... not much optimism can come from that. If Norway started behind by that much theyd be living in shantys too.
Im surprised at you Fly. I ask you the same thing I asked Mr. Field. Show me where I blamed THE PEOPLE of Haiti. I specifically said there is little violence outside of the gangs that have existed for a long time. If you think that gangs represent "the people" of Haiti, you need some serious schoolin'.
Having lived there for 2 yrs I can tell you the people feel powerless against corruption. Aristede promised change but gave the same old same old...(sound familiar?). His goons replaced babydocs goons (many were the same goons). Some estimate Aristede has over $300 million in various accounts. How much infrastructure you think THAT might have bought? The police were corrupt a year ago and they are gone now. If you think THEY will stand against the gangs, you are naive indeed.
When I was there the local govt was said to have received $7 million for schools and a water treatment facility. After the various layers of bureaucrats handled the money there was barely enough for new school uniforms for less than 100 kids (and even those were bought from a store owned by a local magistrate at triple the normal cost) The water treatment plant never reached the planning stage. How do I know this? The village asked ME to represent them, when I protested and wrote the Hatian govt they called the Peace Corps affiliate and I was terminated from the assignment. (not supposed to get involved in politics) I was a little hot-headed for the corps.
Nope Fly, never blamed the people. Not once.
Grinder:
Oh, so you're a mind reader now, huh?
@grinder -- That's not true. Granny has shown time and again that she'll defend both whites and blacks -- anyone she thinks is getting a raw deal. I don't know enough about Wyclef to say but if granny is defending him it's because she's not convinced he did whatever it is he's accused of and if she does become convinced she'll change her mind. Nothing to do with color.
--j
Mr Whitey:
"if we ARE looking for somebody to blame it would be the French. For insisting on "repayment" for kicking them out of Haiti that totaled $21 billion in todays dollars it killed the country and it hasnt been able to recover."
Yes, I agree with you that the French are part of the blame but the USA has some part in the blame too. That's why they need to be and should be the ones helping Haiti.
That's the part that puzzles me.
I don't entirely know the answer to that. The African American population has remained fairly stable. I have heard concerns that educated black women are not having children. That could potentially become a real problem as the educational and financial gains that those women have acquired will be lost to future generations.
Oh, so you're a mind reader now, huh?
Hey, I think I'll join the club here. Since I've got a bunch of people who have decided I'm a racist, I'm gonna turn the tables and start readin' a few minds too. See how you like it.
I don't entirely know the answer to that. The African American population has remained fairly stable.
Not true. The AA population has remained stable as a percentage of the total, but the total has been increasing. What has actually happened is that the white population has grown less than other cohorts.
That's why the white percentage is in decline, and it's also why the Fox network and other "white power" types are counseling more babies for white people. Which, BTW, I regard as ludicrous.
We should be counseling birth control for everyone on the goddamn planet, which is clearly becoming too populated for its carrying capacity.
Anon 5:24, I am not buying it. People have posted the information here about this Wycliff dude. Granny doesn't want to hear it 'cause he's a black man who's been on TV. Of all the crazy "reasoning," that takes the cake.
Aristede promised change but gave the same old same old...(sound familiar?). His goons replaced babydocs goons (many were the same goons). Some estimate Aristede has over $300 million in various accounts. How much infrastructure you think THAT might have bought?
The Who sang it well: "Meet the new boss/Same as the old boss."
And speaking of the new boss being same as the old boss, check out this story about Obama. You can put me in the "dissatisfied" column. The man promised change and has delivered virtually nothing. Nice guy. I like him. Has good intentions. Same with Jimmy Carter.
Hey Brother Field I feel what you are trying to say and what other folks are trying to articulate here.
Grinder and Mr.Whitey don't seem to understand Black folks real concern about the media and the entire Haitian situation.
To begin with Mr. Whitey has only half of the truth. He is right that the politicians in Haiti are corrupt and the gangster Tonton Macoute's have terorized folks for years. He is also correct in describing Haitian pessimism, self hatred, and self doubt, which shows itself in the negative attitudes about one another that they have expressed to him. But Mr.Whitey fails to see or doesn't want to see that every time the Haitian people make serious efforts at efficient self rule it is undermined by US and European intervention. Mr.Whitey does not know the history of Haiti or he would include in his analysis the fact that the country has been playing catch up since its independence.
He probably is unaware that every nation around Haiti was a slave nation and that the slave rebellion that became Haiti was a dangerous source of potential unrest to their slave populations and thus the Europeans blockaded and isolated Haiti making trade almost impossible.The European nations despised Haiti for being free and have been punishing them ever since.
In fact, the US refused to recognize Haiti's independence until about 1850. The US and Britian were so serious about isolating and starving the free republic of former slaves, that would journey thousands of miles out of their way to import sugar from Brazil rather than their neighbor Haiti.
France charged the war weary Haitian government nearly a billion dollars in reparations for their lost "slave property" and damages inflicted in the war for independence. They were war weary because after defeating the greatest army and the greatest General in the world at the time (Napolean) they were attacked by Britain and Spain.So Haiti had to depend on only themselves but yet they managed to survive. YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP!
Near the beginning of the last century the US invaded and occuppied Haiti (1915-1934)when it seemed the country was going to get along by itself and when the US capitalism realized, that in fact there were resources to be exploited in the country.
Flash back to more recent history in which the US with Frances help propped up the Duvaliers and when Haitians tried to oppose these thugs they were ruthlessly put down with again help from US weaponry and aid, which the US government knew was going to a brutal dictator.
More recently they foiled the attempt of Aristide and his movement because they were talking about self determination. Aristide too had his problems but he represented something better than had been in place in the past. Again the US intervened supposedly to put down the Tonton Macoutes but in actually they were squashing a brewing popular rebellion.
And Mr.Whitey fails to talk about how USAID convinced the Haitian governments to lower tariffs and introduce and US agricultural products, which ultimately overwhelmed Haitian farmers who could not keep up with the cheaper US subsidized agriculture especially rice which put Haitian rice farmers out of business.
So Mr.Whitey you leave out a lot when you only focus on the result of all that outside interference and when you only look at the result of years of misgovernance and abuse you appear to be blaming the victim.
The recent kidnapping of Aristitide was not for the benefit of the Haitian people. The Lavalas movement was struggling, no doubt but the real reason for propping up Prival and the new puppet government was again designed to keep people from taking control of their own destiny.
The UN troops aren't there for the thugs, but to prevent revolutionary minded Haitians from organizing Haiti for and by Haiti.
And FYI the Peace Corp has always been a front for US spying and interference in the name of benevolence.
Anyone who doubts what I have written can look it up.
liberation then peace
"@La Idiot, your name (the one I have given you, that is) says it all.'
grinder, you are too personally ineffectual and distinctively inferior to possess the power in order to accord a name, label or title to anyone or anything in this galaxy. You always allow your desperate arrogance to betray logic in your simple thoughts.
I pity you, madam.
Grinder:
"Anon 5:24, I am not buying it. People have posted the information here about this Wycliff dude. Granny doesn't want to hear it 'cause he's a black man who's been on TV. Of all the crazy "reasoning," that takes the cake."
Yes, I am going by what I saw with my eyes and also what other HAITIANS have told me. Main stream media told you that ACORN was a corrupt organization too. Not too long ago on CNN and other MAIN STREAM MEDIA outlets they were showing you a bunch of somehow dubious stacks of paper that made ACORN out of this so-called corrupt organization. However, after a thorough investigation by an independent investigation team come to find out Acorn was innocent. Oh but, Acorn was pimping and everything else under the sun let them tell it.
Acorn spent its time registering poor black voters too. Wyclef is helping his people as much as he can, so now all of a sudden he is this corrupt person. That's BS!
Grinder while I didn't think Aristide was the answer either you have to identify the "some" you refer to when you say Aristide has $300 million. Its not true. But your point about Haitian corruption is correct.
Now take a deep breath and ask yourself why is it however when movements of Haitians who are not corrupt organize themselves to fight for a more just and equitible society they are neither supported or encouraged by the US and France but in fact these governments actually aide the thugs in putting these folks down.
sorry, j.
she's defending him and refusing to learn anything about why she shouldn't be! she is sticking her head in the sand.
i asked if she was defending him because he's black because i'm grasping at straws. that's the only reason i can think of--she won't entertain the fact that his own IRS forms tell the real tale BECAUSE SHE SAW HIM ON TV.
that's just idiotic. no one said he hasn't done any good. i AM saying he doesn't deserve to have millions thrown at him because he has mismanaged the funds he had.
the need is so desperate--why the fuck would you give it someone who's proven they can't handle money?
i don't know about you but i don't have a lot of money to give. so when i do i want to be damn certain it isn't wasted.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0114102wyclef1.html
'Come on, a thief is a thief."
In all fairness, how do you know he is a thief? Where is your actual proof? Do you read his mind too?
Grinder, you've got us all here pegged. Why don't you turn that laser-like mind upon yourself.
There are "white devils" around every corner, as well as posting on this blog.
You don't get to tell us what "racism" we should focus on, just as I don't presume to tell you what "homophobia" to focus on. That's your call, not mine.
And with "carrying capacity." Let's do away with the white race, their "carrying capacity" has become a world-wide liability. It wasn't people of color who created the means to destroy the human race. I call for more people of color and fewer whites, lest they destroy us all with their diabolical inventions.
If Wycliff is as you say he is, he's had good teachers. After whites picked the Haitian people clean, there wasn't much left over for him, or anyone else.
Bernie Madoff makes his look like an amateur, and Wall Street Bankers, a mere babe.
No, actually it's amusing to watch you, grinder, as you struggle to defend the indefensible, to give legitimacy to a system, a way of life, that should have disappeared right along with slavery, and later, with segregation.
At least, Race Traitoress gets it. You merely pretend that you do, all in a failed effort to bolster a white image that is blacker than the faces of Haitians and blacks in this country.
You are representative of all that's bad in your race. You come here pretending to be a friend, but having a hidden agenda.
Nothing you say here, will make our history together anything other than oppressor and oppressed, and anything other than white exceptionalism in the face of a black struggle for equality.
Keep your pity. Keep your empathy. Keep your criticism. Keep your efforts to dilute black criticism of whites, by pointing to our missteps. Especially keep to yourself your urge to tell us what racism is appropriate to respond to, and whether an act is racist or not.
If you do that, I promise, I won't be so presumptive as to tell you how to approach, or attack homophobia.
You come to a black blog and insult us. You come to a black blog, in a most insulting paternal manner, to put us in our place, to tell us how to behave, how to react, and how to view the world in which we live.
We're not children. We're not your children. We don't need your paternal intrusion into our lives.
You have shown yourself to be clueless, and callous, more inclined to focus on us and our shortcoming, rather than on you, your shortcomings, and that of your race.
Oh yeah, Whitey (I don't call anybody, Mister), accusing Field of hypocrisy in his diatribe against what he perceives as Field's "hypocrisy," is indeed, himself, indulging in the same fine-art of blame, something he claims he doesn't do.
Now, who's the hypocrite?!
Here's the difference. Whites on the Right are the problem. They aggravate the problem, they inflame it, and they do it intentionally, purposefully, and with malice aforethought.
It's not hypocrisy to point this out, to highlight it, and to underscore it. Our very survival is at stake. The enemy is always at the gate.
And to borrow the Bush doctrine: If you're not with us, then you're against us.
Grinder, you're not with us. You're against us!
As for the grandstanding, he is a celebrity what celebrity do you know that cameras don't follow? The news people want to know every single thing, move, what they eat, where they sleep, where they shop, how many people they sleeping with, etc, and every thing they can dig out with a bulldozer about celebrities. Gossip seems to be news to them and a lot of times they have a tendency to make news up.
Wyclef's Skipping Records
Star's charity repeatedly dissolved after failing to file reports
JANUARY 15--Musician Wyclef Jean's charitable foundation--now the recipient of many donations big and small in the wake of the Haiti earthquake--has repeatedly had its corporate status dissolved for failing to file required state disclosure reports, records show. As seen below, the Florida Division of Corporations has, on four separate occasions over the past five years, sanctioned the Yele Haiti Foundation (the charity was incorporated in Florida in 1998 as the Wyclef Jean Foundation, but formally changed its name two months ago). The longest involuntarily dissolution lasted 26 months, ending in November 2008 when Jean's organization provided Florida officials with overdue annual reports disclosing the identities of the group's officers and directors, its registered agent, and office address. The foundation's most recent dissolution occurred in September 2009, but was vacated a month later when the 37-year-old Jean's group filed its disclosure report. As TSG reported yesterday, the Jean foundation's records delinquency extended to the filing of its tax returns--and could make a prospective donor question whether the organizationally challenged foundation is a wise choice for disaster relief contributions. In August 2009, the group filed overdue tax returns for 2005, 2006, and 2007, documents showing that Jean and fellow board member Jerry Duplessis paid themselves at least $410,000 for services provided to the foundation. Duplessis, a bass player who has toured with Jean, co-owns a New York City recording studio with the performer, as well as a Haiti-based production company. (3 pages)
Wyclef Jean Charity's Funny Money
Haiti earthquake aid pours into group that has enriched singer
JANUARY 14--The Haiti earthquake has already triggered hundreds of thousands of donations to musician Wyclef Jean's charitable foundation, which expects to raise upwards of $1 million a day in the disaster's wake. However, Internal Revenue Service records show the group has a lackluster history of accounting for its finances, and that the organization has paid the performer and his business partner at least $410,000 for rent, production services, and Jean's appearance at a benefit concert. Though the Wyclef Jean Foundation, which does business as Yele Haiti Foundation, was incorporated 12 years ago--and has been active since that time--the group only first filed tax returns in August 2009. That month, the foundation provided the IRS with returns covering calendar years 2005, 2006, and 2007--the only periods for which it has publicly provided a glimpse at its financial affairs. In 2006, Jean's charity reported contributions of $1 million, the bulk of which came from People magazine in exchange for the first photos of a pregnant Angelina Jolie (the actress reportedly directed that the publication's payment go to Jean's charity, not her personally). As seen on the following pages from the foundation's 2006 tax return, the group paid $31,200 in rent to Platinum Sound, a Manhattan recording studio owned by Jean and Jerry Duplessis, who, like Jean, is a foundation board member. A $31,200 rent payment was also made in 2007 to Platinum Sound. The rent, tax returns assure, "is priced below market value." The recording studio also was paid $100,000 in 2006 for the "musical performance services of Wyclef Jean at a benefit concert." That six-figure payout, the tax return noted, "was substantially less than market value." The return, of course, does not address why Jean needed to be paid to perform at his own charity's fundraiser. But the largest 2006 payout--a whopping $250,000--went to Telemax, S.A., a for-profit Haiti company in which Jean and Duplessis were said to "own a controlling interest." The money covered "pre-purchased...TV airtime and production services" that were part of the foundation's "outreach efforts" in Haiti. No further description of these services was offered, though the return claimed that "the fees paid are below market" and that the use of Telemax was the "most efficient way of providing these services." The group's tax returns also report "consultant" payments totaling $300,000 between 2005-2007, while the 2006 return reported nearly $225,000 in "promotion and PR" costs. These expenses are not itemized further in the IRS returns. (6 pages)
granny, all the links i posted before have photos of real people in haiti doing real charity work.
gossip from the media?
wow. when did the IRS become TMZ?
@Granny--"Acorn spent its time registering poor black voters too. Wyclef is helping his people as much as he can, so now all of a sudden he is this corrupt person. That's BS!"
Stand your ground, Granny. If your
"truth" doesn't set them free, nothing will.
I am letting you know what "Race Traitoress" really thinks. She believes you to be inferior beings worthy of pity. It's both amusing and sad to see.
I've got to believe you're quite young, grinder, to not recognize the corner you're painting yourself into by dismissing me and my opinions because you question my motives and think I "want to become black." You don't think I've been called a "n----- lover" before? That's an old saw, whelp, and I'm not a young woman.
Your attacks remind me of the folks who, because I sponsor the Gay/Straight Alliance at our high school (at the request of students who see me as a GLBTQ ally) try to insult me by suggesting (sometimes to my face, but usually behind my back) that I MUST be "a Lesbian" to be so fond of those weird gay kids.
Why is it so hard to believe that a straight woman could have compassion and respect, as well as affection and admiration, for the GLBTQ crowd? I don't know, but I suspect my attitude feels threatening to straight people who aren't comfortable with the reality of homosexuality and who cling to their heteronormative security blanket.
Or why is it so difficult to understand that a "white" woman could have compassion and respect, as well as affection and admiration, for people of color? What have I ever said or done to suggest that my "true feelings" are that "black people are inferior and deserving of pity"?
Give it a rest, grinder. There's no hate for you here, and I wouldn't even engage you in debate if I thought you weren't a thinking man capable of listening to reason. I may call you out on your opinions, but I'm not making proclamations about who you are or attacking you personally. When you do that, you say more about yourself than about anyone you go after.
Yeah, that's right Maria, I saw him on television passing out FOOD to Haitians when they were starving and eating mud pies to survive.
He is not an accountant, he is a musician.
Maria:
Did you forget that just the other day I wrote that I used to work for I.R.S. Please I could tell you some stories about the good old I.R.S. that would shock you.
"i AM saying he doesn't deserve to have millions thrown at him because he has mismanaged the funds he had."
I am not defending anyone or any organization, but I must ask you out of curiosity... who do you think would be the best person or organization to 'throw" millions to?
"the need is so desperate--why the fuck would you give it someone who's proven they can't handle money? "
Does that include a plethora of those global "good will charity organizations" who's been exploiting black and brown poor people for decades through television? In fact, that should include Banks, Corporations/CEOs and the government right here in America.
But I would love to hear your conclusion to the very first question I asked. If you don't mind.
don't know why you care what i think.
you can give to whomever you want.
what's funny is on yesterday's thread AB, who usually tries to tear me limb from limb, took the time to read the stories about yele and thanked me for posting them.
i'd give to a charity. with the infrastructure and means to get things done. and a record behind it.
earlier in the week i posted a link to the site called charitynavigator.org, which lists each charity and their admin percentage and even the salary of their CEO. wyclef's isn't listed because he just filed his first return.
the redcross, doctors without borders, and partners in health. etc.
and i'm not going to take your bait and respond to the side remark about banks, etc. taking advantage of minorities.
granny--you are sounding even more uneducated. do you think the IRS made up wyclef's tax return? you should know that people submit their own returns.
if you bothered to follow the links you'd see the actual return online.
"granny, all the links i posted before have photos of real people in haiti doing real charity work."
So because Wyclef or "Jane Blow" isn't in any of those photos giving needles that means they're not doing "real" charity work? I am not even trying to defend Wyclef, but your targeting is peculiar. Furthermore, do you have the IRS stats on all those other charities you listed by link?
Btw, why are you being so disrespectful to Granny? Not trying to defend her either, maybe I missed something but your venom is almost unwarranted.
Mellaneous said--
Mr.Whitey does not know the history of Haiti or he would include in his analysis the fact that the country has been playing catch up since its independence.
read my 5:23 post. The stuff about $21 billion to France.
Im not a historian on Haiti. It doesnt surprise me that govts of large countries played games with the interests of smaller countries. Happened before and probably happens now. The more I see of the world the more I dont like it. Mr Whiteys got no luv for the French. Didnt like them before the Corps and dislike them more after. Im not familiar with the historical sins but I dont doubt they exist. I do however have first hand knowledge of the sins of the Duvaliers and Aristede. I remember talking to some mildly drunk ex-tontons and the horrors that came so easliy from them was pretty grim. The grinding poverty so easliy dismissed by those who lived behind walls in plantation-like splendor was vile.
I dont know, all this talk gives me a bittersweet feeling. I think of the experiences with the people, the laughing, the singing...then I see the pictures on TV. I read the hate on this blog, scrapping about who knows what (keep plugging Grinder, youre a good guy)and I realize that as always people of all types will use this event to forward THEIR agenda and bash those who are different and those who disagree.
ya, I also heard the stuff about Peace Corps vols being spys, strangely enough it was from the magistrate who sold the uniforms to the school and drove the areas only Mercedes s500 4X4.
@maria -- I agree that at this point I would not risk my money by giving to Wyclef's org because things are too urgent right now and I've got too little to spare if it turns out that the accusations are true. I just don't think granny's making her assessment of Wyclef based on race. We all go against the winds at times and sometimes we're right and sometimes we're wrong.
--j
Can someone PLEASE tell me what point is to be made by the media's mentioning the fact that many Haitians are in "better shape" now thanbefore the earthquake, WTF???
This sounds like some real Barbara Bush bullshit to me!!!!
"carrying capacity" Hahahahahahaha! Now I've heard it all! I just love you white peoples little sanitizing words! Hahahaha, had my laugh for the day!
"carrying capacity"! AHAHAHAHA!!!I'ma use that word all day tomorrow just so I can have something to laugh at! Thanks! and by the by,have you ever looked at, never mind, go to google earth and see just how vast this planet is man! and most of it is UNpopulated my friend!
Hey --J I totally agree.
But I'm also beginning to wonder if some secretly rather give money to the redcross or other organizations that help other people globally - oppose to one "black" operated organization that solely benefits destitute "negros". I'm sensing a bigotry pathology here. I'm feeling there's also a stronger distrust when it's a "black" organization such as thins handling charity money.
Let's do away with the white race, their "carrying capacity" has become a world-wide liability. It wasn't people of color who created the means to destroy the human race. I call for more people of color and fewer whites, lest they destroy us all with their diabolical inventions.
Sweet!
I don't know Wycleff personally, but I know people that he has helped here in PR,and helped to get a leg up in the music industry, so I know that it is in his nature to be helpful. Wycleff has bought attention to Haiti that no one else has, and he's done it on his time, so now as they endure this disaster at least Wycleff is already a "known",and I believe that started the aid ball rolling much much faster!
I for example would never donate to the Red Cross, not after that eye opening stunt they pulled with the 911 money. As for the Catholic Church...well... need I say more...
@La♥Incognita -- I think you're dead on that some folks don't like to give to black operated org's. There has been a disproportionate amount of negative publicity when black run org's screw up because they are fewer in number and people get it in their heads that they're corrupt. Also, people don't hear a lot about smaller org's black or otherwise that are successful and do good work except when there's a scandal and that grows distrust of non-brand name orgs.
Personally, I'd rather go through government. And the reason is this: if a government run group screws up we as voters can demand a change and accountability but if a private charity screws up there's nothing we can do about it. We've got no say in who their CEO is and they don't have to be as transparent. At least with a government group, someone has to answer to the voters.
--j
cactusrose,
I'm sure many of my colleagues of Asian descent will get a real laugh at 'carry capacity' being referred to as a white term. I assume that environmental science is a 'white thing' as well? Maybe chemistry and biology too?
How much land there is on Earth is not the determinant-land fit for human use is. Humans can only survive with access to potable water, arable land, and suitable temperatures. Those pre-conditions leave out large tracts of land on Earth.
The spread of water loss, desertification, rising oceans, and a general decline in fossil fuels will put huge pressure on current populations numbers, which are on track to exceed nine billion by 2050.
LaIncognita and J:
You peeping it right!
(Grindner) "Sweet!"
I'd say sweet!
Did I miss anything, grinder? Was there an error of fact? A hyperbole, perhaps?
To abolish white influence, white authority, white power, white permissiveness, white privilege, white sense of superiority, white racist insanity, white exploitation of people of color--might just give the world a future.
I wish Native Americans would have stopped your expansion into the Americas.
I wish the indigenous people of South America and Mexico had prevailed.
Had they, perhaps we might have been spared two world wars, and a third, if you count Viet Nam.
Had they, we would have been spared slavery in this hemisphere.
In Europe, a Jewish holocaust would have remained in the minds of deranged assholes, as would have unholy experiments on humanity.
So continue to present a superior white race, and I'll continue to bring you back to reality.
I see you cherry picked my comments, and highlighted the one above with a cluck of the tongue.
Whites have no moral high ground to claim.
Nagasaki and Hiroshima will be your endless shame, as will Buchenwald, and other Nazi concentration camps.
**Realist** "The spread of water loss, desertification, rising oceans, and a general decline in fossil fuels will put huge pressure on current populations numbers, which are on track to exceed nine billion by 2050."
Don't worry, global warming will put an end to all that copulation, and population growth.
@Maria ( if your comment about "uneducated")
Typical white folk and “house” folk response when you don’t agree or acquiesce to their point of view. The origin of the article is as specious as the selection of the subject. Now my experiences in the affairs of life is probably that he told some white handler that he wanted to start a foundation when he began to blow-up. That either his personal attention to the attention of a more conscientious handler recognized that the administrative affairs were not properly perform and went about getting the organizations affairs in order. Where there had not been proper administration the numbers for expenditures have probably been made to fit to clean the mess up.
My 50 year old “uneducated” self, tell me that Wyclif’s charity was pulling to much money. There have been many scandals involving monies received and expended by non-profits and NGO’s including the American Red Cross .
“Call me any ugly name you choose” , but I think it is an unfair hatchet job against that man organization without hearing from him first or offering him an opportunity to be heard. If there was not the filing of back taxes and getting current on corporation fees, I would have a different opinion.
I’ve text YELE to 501501 and will do it the two more times that I can.
"We've got no say in who their CEO is and they don't have to be as transparent. At least with a government group, someone has to answer to the voters."
--j
Hey, J, just as with the giving of blood, we can withhold our donations, and force change. We the people are in power, we're in charge--a fact that everyone, public and private, would like us to forget.
True. I don't trust any organized body, black, white, or what have you.
But I give anyway, in the most responsible manner possible.
Sometimes, you have to take a chance, jump in, and hope for the best. The responders in Haiti would have served the people there better had they taken that leap of faith.
"Short of the Haitian people having SATELLITE television to watch CNN - exactly HOW does CNN's coverage impact the SITUATION IN HAITI?"
News coverage of "the threat of rioting, etc. etc." was a contributing factor to the decision of having these doctors LEAVE PEOPLE TO DIE rather than treat them. Read the entire article:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/16/haiti.abandoned.patients/index.html
CF...I have a request for you. Please find me a youtube video of white earthquake victims being called "violent gangs" or engaging in "looting" and "anarchy".
And there are several recent examples of right wing nutcases using their guns and ammo. You seem to have a selective memory when it comes to violence:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/201618
@realist
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'd tske you seriously if you weren't so funny! You outta be on Comedy Central! AHAHAHA! You must not be able to sleep at night what with all those worries! AHAHAHAHAHAA I swear you sound like one of those scare tactic documentaries, BUUUAAAAAAAAAA "the world is gonna eeeeend!" The minorities are over populating!OOOOOOOOOOOH my God somebody help uuuuuussssss! WE HAVE NO MORE "CARRYING CAPACITY" BUAAAAAAA!!! AHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE IT!
**Ernesto** find me a youtube video of white earthquake victims being called "violent gangs" or engaging in "looting" and "anarchy".
You know, Ernesto, Iraqis found more media approval for their acts (the rioting and looting that took place after the fall of Saddam Hussein), than either Haitians (who have behaved superlatively), and NOLA blacks after Katrina (who were maligned, and falsely accused of violence).
It's never a good day to be black!
no venon at all. none.
i simply kept posting sources of info, and she kept saying, "oh, gosh! what is all this fuss about! i saw him on tv!"
as i said, i was shocked that she was choosing to remain ignorant of the facts, and repeated weird stuff related to the IRS.
I.R.S. would have confiscated and put a lock on his business along with other tax agencies such as Business taxes, Franchise, local, and county stepping in slapping various liens and things if he was corrupt. However, that has not occurred yet. Anonymous 7:55, you were fair in your assessment when you said "I think it is an unfair hatchet job against that man organization without hearing from him first or offering him an opportunity to be heard. If there was not the filing of back taxes"
Furthermore, he has not been billed by I.R.S., no liens place on his business by any tax agency, or given a jail sentence yet, so it could turn out in his favor because of a lousy accountant or any number of things. I wish I could count on my fingers how many corporations don't pay taxes at all, but I would need a whole lot of extra hands in order to do that.
[quote]Yet, on Fox News I forget his name they were telling whites to have more babies. Evidently, some are starting to do that because we have reality shows of whites who are having lots of kids and getting paid big bucks.[/quote]
Granny - you know I love you just like my own - but I can only take you in small doses. Then its time for me to go home!
Fox New's JOHN GIBSON (to my knowledge)
* Has never impregnated a Haitian woman!
* Has never told a Haitian woman to have an abortion
* Has never denied a condom to a Haitian thus causing him/her to get infected with HIV
WHY IS IT that "Fox News" and "John Gibson" are CENTRAL to many of your stories about HAITI?
WHY do you all focus on the CATHOLIC CHURCH'S aversion to CONDOMS.........................but FAIL TO MENTION that they also are AVERSE TO PREMARITAL SEX?
Translation for Ernesto:
IF the Catholic church has the POWER over the people to get them not to use CONDOMS.......why don't you make the case that they ALSO have the POWER to get the people to GET MARRIED prior to having SEX, "keeping their genitals to themselves" until they are in fact married?
Do some of you see the basic fraudulence of your arguments?
Even in America - "Abstinence Only" is a failure BUT "Wrap It Up" escapes condemnation DESPITE the fact that Baltimore and DC - the cities with the highest rates of HIV infection REJECTED the "conservative" A.O.E. program.
you don't know what actions might be pending by the IRS.
don't assume he won't be in trouble. you're giving him a pass. that's fine. but there are worthy charities who can do more good.
all i have said--repeatedly--is base your decisions on what is known about him and every other charity.
i never once called him a thief--that was grinder.
but you should be discriminating enough to see that there is an awful lot wrong in how his charity was managed.
they ended 2009 with a $490,000 deficient, btw--which now all the generous donors who thought they were giving to haiti are now being used to make up those debts.
off topic.
Grinder do you know Angel ?
deficit
[quote]News coverage of "the threat of rioting, etc. etc." was a contributing factor to the decision of having these doctors LEAVE PEOPLE TO DIE rather than treat them.[/quote]
So again in your view - the FOREIGN, TRAINED PROFESSIONALS in Haiti are "plugged into" the biased American media coverage from Haiti. Thus they are unnecessarily pulled out of "harms way" and the needy Haitians are denied services.
YOU WOULD BE COMFORTED - if I go find WHITE PEOPLE who looted and this same news media called them "Looter".
Ernesto - can I summarize what I have extracted from your post?
1) Foreign Nations have the bulk of the Medical Services Training in Haiti.
2) In as much as they are not HAITIAN and are tied to their home nation's control they are subject to the orders to vacate from their home nation
3) Their home nation's NEWS organizations also have trained journalists that have been sent into Haiti and as a byproduct they are skewing the news
Ernesto - do you ever use your "intellect curiosity" to wonder what a "Haiti doctor" who is intrinsically familiar with those lands might react in kind?
Would you consider prioritizing the development of such doctors as a MANDATORY part of your hope for change in this nation?
In a nutshell:
1. Whitey, you did not say that and did not blame the folks in Haiti. Some of my brethren are grasping at straws. FN should be smarter than that.
2. Granny, you are quite uneducated. I see Cleo on tv with my own damn eyes...
3. RTrait: These folks hate you, get over it.
Constructive:
You ain't gone yet? They must pay good overtime in the political hacking business. Well, let me give you another dose of me, so that you can go home and get some rest.
LOL! You have a lot of nerve considering that you change every topic into urban pirates or whatever it is you call them. Oh yeah, thanks for jogging my memory with John Gibson's name. Now, I see where you get your talking points from. Smh!
Stop watching Fox We Make It Up News, it is not good for your health.
BTW, I did see a little of your blackness bubble up in some comments you made. Dang, you might not be a lost cause after all I pray. Love you too!
@black diaspora -- What you say is true and I agree that we do have more power than we know if we'd exercise it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who are anti-charity. I still give what I can. I grew up with my mama making me "tithe" my allowance every week! :)
However, I think private charities are doing a lot of work that government should be doing and that when they take over those roles they can become very selective about who they give to. For example, health care is an absolute right that should be guaranteed to every American through Medicare for All rather than pushing those in need to private charities. Basic access to food and housing should also be guaranteed and/or subsidized based on need to every American.
Some charities put preconditions like religious conversion or other faith or behavior based restrictions according to the organization's religious/political agenda on recipients before they'll help. Other times it's a matter of access. For example, poor people of the Mississippi Delta and Southern Appalachian regions often miss out because charities aren't in their area but wherever there's a post office government can reach.
I just think too many times and in too many areas, we've relied on charities and churches to do the work government should be doing rather than charities simply supplementing that work.
--j
I really could care less what Maria, Kersi says about me because that is not gone change what I said. The fact still remains the same. He was on television passing out food to the HAITIANS before the earthquake ever came when they were over there starving to death eating mud pies. He has not be tried or convicted of being guilty by the I.R.S. yet.
If the I.R.S. thought that he was doing some illegal business dealings they would freeze all of his business accounts moneywise, bank accounts and all. That is the first thing they would do. That's the first step.
It is strange how in America, black men are automatically guilty before they have a chance to prove their innocence.
You can call me whatever the hell you want to call me, I can go that route too. However, I don't care what you call me or say about me I am not taking back what I said.
I'll wait until the investigation with I.R.S. is over.
ACORN still hasn't been rectified of the wrong that was done to them. Folks is quick to accuse black people of being crooked and corrupt but all of a sudden they get lock jaw and paralyze fingers when it comes to letting the people know that they were innocent of what they were accused of.
@Granny
Being vilified with you in the same comment that praises Mr. Whitey just confirms my belief that I'm on the right side.
@Mayflower, you crack me up! Guilty, guilty, guilty! I did it all!
If the I.R.S. thought that he was doing some illegal business dealings they would freeze all of his business accounts moneywise, bank accounts and all. That is the first thing they would do. That's the first step.
Charities are very loosely regulated. The IRS hardly ever busts them for anything. You can drive a truck through the rules governing them. Wycliff and his crony will waddle off into the sunset.
Their major mistake was that they only swiped $400K. Chump change, really. If you're going to be a thief. You should really steal more than a measly $400K.
Grinder do you know Angel ?
Nope.
Grinder:
"If you're going to be a thief. You should really steal more than a measly $400K."
Yeah, I hear you, like the white settlers, slaveowners, Madoff, Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, Enron, etc. did? I feel ya!
Yeah, I hear you, like the white settlers, slaveowners, Madoff, Bush, Cheney, Halliburton, Enron, etc. did?
Yeah, and the black CEOs of Merrill Lynch and Fannie Mae. They waddled away with some nice sacks of it too.
Yeah, but they just can't top all of those I've named and never will. It would take a million years to catch up with them and all of those before them. They seem to have a patent on it.
How many black men do you know have stolen whole countries?
"I just think too many times and in too many areas, we've relied on charities and churches to do the work government should be doing rather than charities simply supplementing that work."
--j
J, I agree. To the conservative thought, however, your statement is an anathema. They feel the government shouldn't be in the health-care business. It's the work of charities to provide when, and where, the people can't.
How many black men do you know have stolen whole countries?
Hmm. Let's see. There was Idi Amin, and there was Jean-Bedel Boukassa, and there was Robert Mugabe ... want some more names? But I'm sure you'll find a way to blame all of that on whites, too.
Hell, what I am I doing? There were Papa Doc and Baby Doc, too. Of course, we can't mention them because they interfere with the narrative about Haiti being the eternal victim and not in any way responsible for its own misery.
How do you steal a country that you were born in, live in, and were raised in? I figured you would try to come back with that. You are so transparent!
Let me ask you something do you have a guilty conscience or something? Because you always throw up that "blame it on whites" comments whenever someone mentions any injustice, discrimination, or racism. The strange thing is that none of us black folks are ever the ones saying that. It's always you or one of the trolls. Are you feeling guilty? Or are you waging a battle within your mind?
How many black men do you know have stolen whole countries?
The real question is how many black men have had THE POWER to steal a country? The answer is there haven't been any; no 'black' leader has had the military might or capability to do so. Though plenty of black leaders have stolen their own countries.
@Black Diaspora -- You're right and to me it comes down to control along with being too cheap to pay their fair share of taxes. When government does it access is guaranteed to everyone who is in need and/or meets x requirement. With charities, they can give to their pet causes or only give to people who jump through their hoops or simply not give at all. Conservatives love to say who is "worthy" of help and who isn't.
--j
p.s. My word verification is grati. lol.
Are you in denial maybe? I mean really, what is it with you? You come on here claiming you want to help but you have a habit of saying some very condescending and insulting things to us black folks as if we're little dumb sheep.
I remember when you thought that senile, elderly black women the policewoman slammed on the ground and busted her head and broke her hand, you thought she deserved it. How about that! That woman could hardly stand up and that was obvious by how she was walking and the cane she was using. She didn't weight over 100 pounds. The woman is lucky to be alive because hitting the asphalt with your head can kill you. Nevertheless, you felt like she deserved what she got. To be honest with you, it stunned me and I wondered to myself how you treated your mother or grandmother when they were up in age. I hear of stories of elderly abuse all the time. Not accusing you of that, but your cold-hearted reasoning concerning that elderly woman really shocked me. I'm serious!
Let me ask you something do you have a guilty conscience or something? Because you always throw up that "blame it on whites" comments whenever someone mentions any injustice, discrimination, or racism. The strange thing is that none of us black folks are ever the ones saying that. It's always you or one of the trolls. Are you feeling guilty? Or are you waging a battle within your mind?
Oh, please. The entire refrain of this website is that any time someone who isn't black criticizes anything that any black person does, it's racist.
It's sad, funny, and pathetic all at once. I do give Field props for his willingness to call out blacks, but the deflector shields always go up if anyone who isn't black says the same thing.
Look, if I had come here identifying myself as black, no one here would bat an eyelash at 95% of the things I write. It's only the (self declared) color of my skin that makes the difference.
You can dish it out, but are completely and totally unable to take it. Like I say, sad.
Grinder "But I'm sure you'll find a way to blame all of that on whites, too."
Why not, no black nation has been spared their long reach, and heavy hand. Who developed the means to destroy the whole planet?
The white presence on the planet has put us all of at risk.
You're a cancer on humanity. Left to your own devices, you will destroy yourself and us with you.
It's not the black hoards, nor the yellow peril, that threatens the planet, but whiteness.
Whites are a black hole (How is that for irony?), swallowing up everything in sight, and allowing nothing to escape.
Whites are our antimatter. The world is not large enough for you, and the rest of humanity. Your very presence threatens the rest of us with annihilation.
I remember when you thought that senile, elderly black women the policewoman slammed on the ground and busted her head and broke her hand, you thought she deserved it.
I never wrote that. But I do remember Field calling the woman who called the burglary report on Gates's house into the cops a nosy, racist bitch.
Anonymous 10:19:
No, I asked the right question! You can't steal a country you were born in, live in, and were raised in because it was already yours along with the other citizens of it.
@Mayflower, has anyone ever told you just how beautiful you are? Didn't think so.
easy--they weren't ELECTED.
and they did nothing but enrich themselves.
those would be the facts (never let them get in the way of personal opinion or shit you see on tv or an IRS return!).
Grinder:
Nope, the person that is unable to take it is you! I wasn't trying go back and forth with you tit for tat. However, I did warn you beforehand that I could. You got upset with me for no reason.
First of all, I have never called you a racist. I've always felt like you were isolated and sheltered from life and didn't really know any black people. Now, that's what I have always thought concerning you. However, some of the things you said to Race Traitoress made me think that I might have been wrong.
You see, back years ago, racist whites used to try to shame other whites into going along with them by saying some of the things you said to Race Traitoress. They would even ostracize them. That's why it took so long to get the Civil Rights Bill and a few other things passed. Like Race Traitoress said she is an older woman, older and wiser.
Marie:
Are you picking at me?
Grinder "You can dish it out, but are completely and totally unable to take it. Like I say, sad."
Then, why are you still here? Why are you attracted to a blog with so many "sad" people who're resisting your criticism.
Are you sadistic or just masochistic. No one is forcing you to be here.
You're here of your own accord, and enduring all this black hatin'.
If I were on a gay blog, telling gays that flaming doesn't win over the masses, and proceeded to identify myself as gay--do you think I'd receive a warm welcome?
I don't think so.
"Mayflower, has anyone ever told you just how beautiful you are?"
Are you flirting with me, grinder? No, I guess not.
Granny "You see, back years ago, racist whites used to try to shame other whites into going along with them by saying some of the things you said to Race Traitoress. They would even ostracize them."
Granny, you're perceptive. I think grinder slipped up. He let the cat out of the bag. He showed his hand. He revealed what was hidden and, in a moment of anger, perhaps rage, we saw his hole card.
@Granny, it's true that you have not called me a racist. I apologize for implying that you have done so. Others here routinely do it, but you have not.
Race Traitoress is a joke. Her "shame" at being white is a complete act. It's a pathology. Being sympathetic with black people, and in fact being partnered with black people, and having black or mixed race kids, is one thing. To tell people that you're ashamed of being white is pathology.
Are you flirting with me, grinder? No, I guess not.
You're right about that much, anyway.
To tell people that you're ashamed of being white is pathology.
Quoting Sista Souljah when your white is pathology too. especially if you are a white feminist.
@Anon 11:04, who did that, anyway? Don't recall it. Was that another Race Traitoress special?
Yes it was Grinder. Race Traitoress is pretty easy to figure out-she likes the dark meat. Notice her sometimes comment to that effect: "Your pretzel logic is making me crave beer. Dark beer, as a matter of fact--lolz."
I donated to Wyclef then that lil' scandal came out and I didn't feel right so then I donated again to UNICEF. I hope that it's some kind of mistake and he really wouldn't do that to his own people. Although he wouldn't be the first. But it is funny that the media didn't go through and dig up dirt on all the other foundations.
Hey, I don't care if she prefers black sexual partners. Nothin' wrong with that. Each to their own. Unlike a lot of the black commenters here, it's immaterial to me. People should love and/or screw whoever they want to, for whatever reason (or no reason at all) that they want to.
But her rap about the shame of being white is a laugh and sad and sick all at once.
The Wyclef issue is a strange one. I have a couple of questions:
The fact is Wyclef charity has been around for over a decade.
1. If there were significant issues with his charity you had over a decade to point it out?
2. If persons were so concerned that the welfare of the Haitians was being undermined by purported "mismanagement" why not make persons aware for the welfare of the Haitians of course?
3. Or did they not care because it was some black dude getting money for a country no one gave a crap about?
4. Why with a major crisis in Haiti bring up such a issue?
5. Is it that this dude is taking centre stage because he IS known for his efforts in Haiti before all these people jumped on the bandwagon due to earthquake?
6. Over the years the foundation has partnered with NGOs such as the Red Cross, United Way, and Salvation Army. The charity has also coordinated with USAID (US GOVT AGENCY) and the UN. So the question is did these organizations "conspire" with Wyclef to commit his "fraud"?
Grinder said:
Their major mistake was that they only swiped $400K. Chump change, really. If you're going to be a thief. You should really steal more than a measly $400K.
In 1997 Pat Robertson had a Africa refugee "aid drive" via his television program for his Operation Blessing charity. He raised several millions of dollars. All "aid" money for poor Africans went to buy helicopters and airplanes for his private diamond mine in Zaire. Virgina fraud office recommended prosecution but the Attorney General of Virginia forced the termination of the case. So you are right if all Wyclef took was 400k that is "chump change".
But seriously,when I see these newscast and listen to folks in this blog focus on the potential violence in Haiti in makes sick to my stomach. Like honestly, can we really put ourselves in their position?
That would require a measure of empathy and compassion that is lacking on this site and in real time. What is interesting is that the words that I have actually heard that some Whites and Asians have accorded the country of Haiti include: filthy, backwards, a cesspool of filth, disgusting, not worthy, evil. No thought is accorded to the thousands of children that are believed to be dead and the thousands more that will probably die from gangrene, malnutrition, and/or infection. I personally know of an orphanage that I have donated to that has been leveled—many of the children have been presumed dead. There is no political rationale or well thought out intellectual discourse that is required to justify aid or anything else that some posters feel Haiti is undeserving of.
The harping on the bad dictators, the supposed roving gangs fomenting violence, the racial disparity in coverage is immaterial when the fact those children are dying for being in the path of an earthquake that is the biggest and strongest in that area—ever—and of which they had no conceivable hand in causing----is immaterial. Haiti has no infrastructure. They have no recognizable army to mobilize and help their own people. To continually harp on Haiti’s problems and their inferiority is beyond disgusting and naturally speaks to the racism and hate that some posters, (who are really too contemptible to name) here have for Black people in general. What is pathetic is that I never saw any need to justify aid to the Tsunami victims even when many of the victims came from poor "filthy" Third World countries. I will reiterate what I put in the other thread:
Looting begins as a million left homeless
The International Red Cross says more than one million people have been displaced in Sri Lanka, Thailand and India, as hungry islanders in Indonesia turned to looting to survive.
The Red Cross said desperate residents in Meulaboh and other towns in northern Sumatra broke into stores and homes for supplies.
Throughout the region, entire villages have disappeared. Major buildings such as multi-storey banks, hotels and shopping centres collapsed. In many places people have been left entirely without telephones, drinking water, electricity and gasoline.
In some communities survivors have no choice but to sleep on the muddy streets.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/12/28/tsunami041228.html
Or how about this the aftermath was quite different:
The majority of people who died in the 2004 tsunami were women. Women endured rape, and sexual and gender-based violence in camps and places of supposed refuge.
Similar reports have come from other disasters. This article examines the roles that social workers can take to respond to these issues.
http://isw.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/50/3/307
Women on the receiving end of violence: At least 60% of women suffered violence in the aftermath of the 2004 tsunami
http://www.actionaid.org/main.aspx?PageID=626
No orderly superior Asians and Whites being civilized and working together and waiting to be saved. And there were no stories on CNN or Wall Street Journal about the potential for violence even when they did indeed revert to fear and violence, but somehow it’s always different when Black people do it. We become more savage, more inhuman, and less recognizable to White or Asian people and thus easier to dismiss with the usual contemptible sneer.
Still, to those who are interested, there are really good reputable charities that are trying to help and won’t leave patients to die or think they are less deserving because they are black, poor and inferior:
Partners in Health
Lamp for Haiti
Doctors Without Borders / Medecins Sans Frontiers
I have nothing more to add on this horrible matter.
CF said:
"So again in your view - the FOREIGN, TRAINED PROFESSIONALS in Haiti are "plugged into" the biased American media coverage"
Did you even read the article? They overreacted to a perceived threat of violence that was being reported by news agencies.
"YOU WOULD BE COMFORTED - if I go find WHITE PEOPLE who looted and this same news media called them 'Looter'."
Not so much comforted as shocked and surprised. How is the hunt coming along?
"do you ever use your 'intellect curiosity' to wonder what a 'Haiti doctor' who is intrinsically familiar with those lands might react in kind? Would you consider prioritizing the development of such doctors as a MANDATORY part of your hope for change in this nation?"
Definitely. I would like to see the Haitain government be able to take care of its own people, like Cuba did in 2008 when they were hit with three major hurricanes. Unlike the United States government, which was NOT able to take care its people after Hurricane Katrina. Maybe the U.S. government will one day have the wherewithal to place human life above private sector profits, but I doubt it. We are just not that civilized yet.
grinder, grinding it out--"But her rap about the shame of being white is a laugh and sad and sick all at once."
It should be your shame as well. But, then, what do you have to be ashamed of?
You can beat up on blacks here with impunity, and anonymity, and still maintain white dignity.
Who in your circle would ever guess you're a fraud. Race Traitoress is classier than you'll ever be. She knows her whiteness should stop where her humanity begins.
She doesn't use it as a club with which to beat up on blacks, nor claim race superiority and race preeminence to justify a world that's too white already, peopled with whites willing to destroy any threat, real or imaginary, to that preeminence.
How many Iraqis do whites have to kill? How many Afghans? How many deaths is it going to take before whites will feel safe enough to live in this world?
Haitians scared them so much, they ran away.
Your race, grinder, is what is wrong with this world.
Your race, grinder, has bullied its way down through the centuries, throwing people of color aside, all in its quest to run things, to rule over, to destroy those that won't yield.
You're the "sad and sick" bunch, not Race Traitoress. You, grinder.
Ernesto, "We are just not that civilized yet."
Amen to that!
To continually harp on Haiti’s problems and their inferiority is beyond disgusting and naturally speaks to the racism and hate that some posters, (who are really too contemptible to name) here have for Black people in general.
Haiti's problems are why the death toll from a magnitude 7.0 earthquake will be more than 100,000. But you are so fucking defensive that you're don't want to hear the truth, even though it's why these people who you supposedly care so much about are dead.
Spare me your righteous anger, you ignorant piece of shit. You couldn't possibl ever care less about human life than you do right now.
Your race, grinder, has bullied its way down through the centuries, throwing people of color aside, all in its quest to run things, to rule over, to destroy those that won't yield.
Who's the "racist" now? What a hypocritcal joke you are.
Ernesto 2:13 AM you said that really well.
Actually Mayflower, people like you are whats wrong with this world.
Americans are killing the Iraqis and the Afghans. The Iraqis killed the Kurds. The Turks killed the Armenians. The Germans killed Jews. The Jews are killing Palestinians. The Arab Sudanese are killing the African Sudanese. The White Americans killed the Native Americans. The White Australians killed the Indigenous Australians. Americans killed the Japanese. The Japanses killed the Chinese. The Hutus killed the Tutsis. The Serbians killed the Bosnians. The Sri Lankans killed the Tamils. A bunch of Saudis killed 3,000 Americans.
There is no patent on murder and mayhem.
Communists have killed capitalists, and capitalists have killed communists. Christians have killed muslims, and muslims have killed christians. And stupid people will continue to kill each other, judge each other, and discriminate against each other based on race, ethnicity, tribe, religion, political idealogy, or any other percieved difference.
And although I just contributed to it, but why did this discussion become so derailed..Lets focus on the tragedy in Haiti and how to deal with it not petty race issues
"Oh, please. The entire refrain of this website is that any time someone who isn't black criticizes anything that any black person does, it's racist. "
And what's your refrain or preferred course of dialogue? To keep this website on discussions that solely analyze and chastise any black pathology? You of all people shouldn't be making any assessment about who dishes out and can't take in return. The minute black people on this site begin to discuss white racism, white privilege or white carnage, like clock work, you become highly defensive, sexist, vile, petty, vindictive and disrespectful, as usual. You tit for tat and throw tantrums like a spoil child when you can't have your way.
Just like coffee and cigarettes is now trying divert the discussion back to haiti and "black" embezzlement oppose to discussing "petty" race issues (as if its not related in the first place). But lets not forget the initial premise and environment of this blog, it's your choice to be in it, not to dictate to your appeasement. Why do some people still seem to think everything should revolve around the comfort zone of white supremacy?
Btw grinder, some of those "black leaders" who you claim stole their own countries actually took back what was destroyed and stolen by the white man in the first place. And if you look at who's hiding in the background puppetting any greedy "black leader", you will always find traces of evil greedy white men grinning in cahoot.
The white man is always scheming and standing in the midst of all global carnage, never forget that.
You grinder need to battle and come to terms with the demon in the mirror before you project and analyze anyone.
btw, when I said demon, I was not pertaining to all white people, just you.
I've noticed that you're unable to stand alone when facing direct persecution when called out on your own personal racism. You always end up defending the entire white race, as if you need to believe your ill behavior is justifiably monolithic.
Granny: are you stupid, yes your getting picked at.
La Incognita,
That was a good channeling of Farrakhan. Is Yakub ultimately behind all this white evil?
Grinder,
"Haiti's problems are why the death toll from a magnitude 7.0 earthquake will be more than 100,000."
Yeah racist.
Tell us how the black haitians caused the earthquake.
Tell us how the black haitians caused the earthquake.
I never wrote that anyone caused the earthquake. Can't you even minimally comprehend what you read? The reason that a magnitude 7.0 quake will cause more than 100,000 deaths there is that Haiti lacks infrastructure, a working government, and building codes.
Haiti's not even a third world country. They're a fourth world country, a failed state. This is what happens in those situations. Instead of seeing the facts you cry "racist" instead.
The white man is always scheming and standing in the midst of all global carnage, never forget that.
Thanks for your expert diagnosis, La Idiot. I'm sure that will do wonders in raising the dead of Haiti, who are nothing but political talking points for you and your kind.
"Who's the "racist" now? What a hypocritcal joke you are."
I'll let you answer your own question, grinder:
"you are so fucking defensive that you're don't want to hear the truth."
"Spare me your righteous anger, you ignorant piece of shit."
coffee and cigarettes said...
"Actually Mayflower, people like you are whats wrong with this world."
You think? Actually?
Spare me the history lesson on human brutality, and get some perspective.
I don't see my name in those groups you cited. In addition, white appeasement appears to become you. Blacks are under assault by a white that allows the following to roll off his lips with too much ease: "you ignorant piece of shit."
And you chose to attack me?
"There is no patent on murder and mayhem."
And that's the tragedy. White Germans killed the Jews. Let's see, by all estimates about 9 million of them.
Let's see, by all estimates, 9 million or more African blacks died in transit to this country, and hundreds of thousands treated to one brutal slavery if they survived the trip.
White Europeans did that little number on blacks. And please spare me another history lesson. I know some blacks in Africa in some cases facilitated this raping of Africa. No demand for elephant tusks by the east and the west, no destruction of elephant herds. Get the picture?
It was whites that developed bombs that pretty much decimated Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And they have refined them, and fine-tuned them, to such an extent that we (all people, most of color) live on the precipice of annihilation. And who own those bombs. Yeah, you guessed it? Whites.
And you have the gall, the temerity, to tell me, "Actually Mayflower, people like you are whats wrong with this world"?
People like me? What kind of people am I? One who tells the truth? Blacks didn't build those bombs. Blacks didn't burn millions in ovens. Blacks didn't invent, develop, and drop bombs on two Japanese population centers.
Blacks didn't wipe out an indigenous people in the Americas, and set up shop to exploit both the land and the people.
I hold whites responsible for Haiti. Who do you hold responsible? You're the historian here. Do you think Haiti happened over night. Haiti was decades in the making.
Now if you can convince grinder to shut his mouth, then I'll shut mind. In the meantime, you may want to rethink your position.
I'm called a "racist" because I tell the truth?
I know the truth hurts, but killing the messenger is not to way to deal with the pain.
@grinding it out -- "Thanks for your expert diagnosis, La Idiot. I'm sure that will do wonders in raising the dead of Haiti, who are nothing but political talking points for you and your kind."
You're still embarrassing yourself and "your kind," grinder.
You're here insulting us. We're not on your blog insulting you. And, we're going to fight back, you fraud, whether you like it or not.
grinder,
"The entire refrain of this website is that any time someone who isn't black criticizes anything that any black person does, it's racist.":
What a steaming pile.
People like you try to link behavior and intelligence to race as well as attempting to pin some unique and exclusive pathology to black people.
And then when you are called out on it, you cry victimhood!
There was Idi Amin, and there was Jean-Bedel Boukassa Duvalier
All installed, supported and facilitated by the British and French former colonialists.
Now if you can convince grinder to shut his mouth, then I'll shut mind.
You've already shut your mind, you racist, ignorant piece of shit.
All installed, supported and facilitated by the British and French former colonialists.
So tell me, steve, did the Brits and the French force your favorite African dictators to practice cannibalism too?
All installed, supported and facilitated by the British and French former colonialists.
The dominican Republic had a long series of colonizers and invaders (including the hatians) as well as dictators; yet, the Dominican republic is in far better shape than haiti, even while sharing the same island!
grinder said...
"Now if you can convince grinder to shut his mouth, then I'll shut mind.
You've already shut your mind, you racist, ignorant piece of shit."
grinder, you're going viral again. More name calling, I see. Wow, what a credit to your race you are.
Do your friends and cohorts know what you're doing, that you have such a potty mouth, and that you harangue blacks daily so that you might feel better about yourself?
No, I didn't think so.
Closests are good for many things.
People like me? What kind of people am I? One who tells the truth? Blacks didn't build those bombs. Blacks didn't burn millions in ovens. Blacks didn't invent, develop, and drop bombs on two Japanese population centers.
You miss the point: Blacks have NEVER had the power to do any of those things.
The Europeans did do all those things. They also created the Renaissance, democracy, modern science, pioneered space, wrote wonderful operas, created the fabulous architecture of Europe. Blacks didn't do any of those things either.
Grinder
"So tell me, steve, did the Brits and the French force your favorite African dictators to practice cannibalism too?"
Maybe they read Jeffrey Dahmer's book.
Jean Bedel Bokassa was tried for cannibalism but was not convicted.
And since when did YOU have a problem with munching body parts?
Race Traitoress is pretty easy to figure out-she likes the dark meat. Notice her sometimes comment to that effect: "Your pretzel logic is making me crave beer. Dark beer, as a matter of fact--lolz.
Wow! Nothing gets past you, does it? Here's a hint: The "lolz" means it's a joke. Get it? I threw it in there to rattle the hyper-defensive, and look! There you were, right on cue.
You make it too easy.
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