Folks are buzzing about a poll out showing that atheist and agnostics actually know more about religion than church going folks. Frankly, I am not surprised. If, for instance, the folks who worship at the foot of Creflo and Bishop Eddie are examples of religious people, it actually all makes sense.
"Why did atheists do so well? The study concluded that those who reject faith often do so after growing up in a religious household, and studying and deliberating keeping the faith. Also, atheists and agnostics tend to be better educated in general. Why did Christians do so poorly? It may be because once someone accepts a faith, they stop examining it."
You religious folks would do well to learn Second Timothy, 2:15. I am just sayin.
"Why are you a Christian?" That's what some clown asked his O ness today at a campaign stop in New Mexico. O should have told the woman that it's none of her damn business, but we all know that as the President of these divided states he couldn't do that. Not when it's a question about religion. Not in A-merry-ca. If it's one thing we love it's our religion. And we want our leader to be god fearing just like us. (I am sorry if all this passion about religion makes me a little nervous. But I just saw a grainy video of the Taliban stoning a woman to death for being caught out on a date with a man.)
"It was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead -- being my brother's and sister's keeper, treating others as they would treat me," he said. ..And I think also understanding that, you know, that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings -- that we're sinful and we're flawed and we make mistakes, and that we ... achieve salvation through the grace of God." ..My mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew but she didn't raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life.."
"Why did atheists do so well? The study concluded that those who reject faith often do so after growing up in a religious household, and studying and deliberating keeping the faith. Also, atheists and agnostics tend to be better educated in general. Why did Christians do so poorly? It may be because once someone accepts a faith, they stop examining it."
You religious folks would do well to learn Second Timothy, 2:15. I am just sayin.
"Why are you a Christian?" That's what some clown asked his O ness today at a campaign stop in New Mexico. O should have told the woman that it's none of her damn business, but we all know that as the President of these divided states he couldn't do that. Not when it's a question about religion. Not in A-merry-ca. If it's one thing we love it's our religion. And we want our leader to be god fearing just like us. (I am sorry if all this passion about religion makes me a little nervous. But I just saw a grainy video of the Taliban stoning a woman to death for being caught out on a date with a man.)
"It was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead -- being my brother's and sister's keeper, treating others as they would treat me," he said. ..And I think also understanding that, you know, that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings -- that we're sinful and we're flawed and we make mistakes, and that we ... achieve salvation through the grace of God." ..My mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew but she didn't raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life.."
Yes, just in time to run for President. Oh well, at least we know that you are not a Muslim.
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"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth."
All humans ought to strive for the above, whether atheist, agnostic or true believer.
Field, "You religious folks would do well to learn Second Timothy, 2:15. I am just sayin."
You would do well to not only learn Matthew 7:1 but take action to follow it..."Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Matthew 7:1 NIV
Field,
I predict a busy thread, entertaining for the first fifty or sixty comments.
The obvious answer to the question is that it is impossible to be elected President as anything other than a Christian, practically speaking. Obama's answer seemed sincere, rather than cynical.
I will leave before my smartarse agnosticism starts enumerating the more amusing answers to the question.
What up Field? Just wanted to say that you brought up a good point. I think many folks opt out on the religious question because they get a bad taste in their mouths early on in life. However it does not negate the fact that there are some folks who are serious practitioners and are really committed to what is at the heart of all real religion; and that is love for humankind.
It also make sense that many Christians are not versed in their religion because for many its little more than a social club or a set of rules and regulations handed down by the preacher which they fail to research for themselves. NOt knowing the scriptures flies in the face of the essence of Christianity which requires that you read the scriptures and develop a relationship with God while simultaneously developing a good and just relationship with your fellow human beings.
The prophet Micah put it best when he explained that God required that folks walk humbly with God, love mercy and do justice.
So having said that as you have witnessed in some of the exchanges on this site some folks have a very myopic view of Christianity that has little to do with love and justice.
Its why I keep ignoring the person who keeps referencing Glen Beck as an expert on religion and especially black religion. I have no idea what they are talking about!
this is one study i can definitely believe...especially the part about the atheists and agnostics being more educated.
here in mississippi we lead the nation in illiteracy. however, we are also the most religious state in the union. yep. let that one marinate a while.
i've often questioned my religious beliefs. what makes me so sure mine is the one. because the dude down the street who is still waiting on the messiah thinks his is the one.
i'm christian because i was raised as such. those seeds were planted early and although shaky as hell, have not been uprooted yet.
great post.
“Study to show yourself approved unto God".
Anon. I want to stress the study part.
"So having said that as you have witnessed in some of the exchanges on this site some folks have a very myopic view of Christianity that has little to do with love and justice."
Mell, are they true Christians or just posers? Wouldn't they do well to remember 1 John 3:18?
I know Anon would.
Field,
I wonder if this was another Joe the Plumber or Velma the Exhausted moment.
Field,
I wonder if this was another Joe the Plumber or Velma the Exhausted moment."
It might be. We will see. I know the MSM is all over the story.
I am with Gregory on this. My grandmother to use to take me to church with her, and always questioned how come she did not make my brothers go as well. Another burning question was how come the old sitting up front was able to take a nap and I wasn't. Another question came to mind who making the rules God or man, I decided that the answer to that question is man because no evidence that God wrote anything and neither did Jesus. We are basically going on the word of witness and as we all know witnesses are not always reliable.
I think the point of religion is to question. You have to ask yourself living in this world, is this all there is so aptly phased by Peggy Lee. I find religion interesting, I just think there is something wrong with the people who practice religion are the problem. People who are in church on Sundays do not question anything like the fact that there are two versions of the creation story in Genesis, or Luke's and Matthew's account of the birth of Christ are conflicting. I have not one single homily from the Song of Solomon because it's probably one of the most erotic pieces of literature written in human history. However, in the Jewish faith Song of Solomon is discussed and interrupted by Rabbis and Jewish scholars. Actually, theologians constantly questioned as they are skeptics. In fact, theologians should be the people who are in the pulpit as they are constantly studying the bible, Qu'ran, and the Torah. Somehow, I don't think we were suppose to have a middle man between God and the individual. Eddie Long tells his church members that God speaks to him. The members believe him because do not read the bible, or perhaps not thinking for themselves. Some people are looking for someone to lead them out of what hell they are in and hope for something better. And old Eddie tell them that God wants to be prosper and have a successful life. They are not going to have doubt, but everything must be positive and negativity is not in the equation. The folks have been bright-sided.
"Field,
I wonder if this was another Joe the Plumber or Velma the Exhausted moment."
Absolutely not. Isn't it obvious that she was planted by the Dems? The whole thing was rehearsed. Field knows this, but somehow his skeptical mind becomes an accepting mind when it comes to liberals, progressives and Dems.
Field said, "Mell, are they true Christians or just posers? Wouldn't they do well to remember 1 John 3:18?
I know Anon would."
Well, Field, seems like you become rather judgmental and fault-finding when it comes to your brand of Christianity. BTW, there isn't an ounce of love or humility in it.
You need to visit Glenn Beck where he can teach you HONESTY, INTEGRITY AND GOD. Take 'New Age' Mellaneous with you. LOL
all people need faith to get through the nitty gritty of this life religion is just a wrapper its a shame that some people use it as the basis for their hatred after all liberation theology is what helped us through so much!
Hennasplace, "I think the point of religion is to question. You have to ask yourself living in this world, is this all there is so aptly phased by Peggy Lee. I find religion interesting, I just think there is something wrong with the people who practice religion are the problem."
I agree with you. The point of practice is have the direct experience of God. If you can't do that, there isn't much point to practice. However, one needs to know how to practice, like anything else.
Humans are in religion seeking the Ideal because they are flawed. We are flawed because we make a lot of mistakes. But it's through mistakes that we learn. So, don't look for any 'goodie-two-shoes' or innocent people in religion. You will only find hypocrites and fallable people, from the lowest to the minister, to the Pope. Of course, there are many levels to this as there are people.
Yawn...I am a pagan
Interesting post, Field. I believe that many churchgoers make the fatal mistake of putting their blind trust in a man and an institution rather than placing it where it actually needs to be. It seems to be how any unscruptulous preacher can tout himself as a "man of the Lord" while committing many misdeeds. The flock is being led around with wool over their eyes....
"Yawn...I am a pagan"
Yawn...you bore me.
Interesting. As an atheist I spent many years studying religion so I could debate the finer points with believers. Wated many o' moons debating Noah's ark et all on Black Planet but it did make me more informed about religion. Let's face it, all religions require some level of suspension of belief and some acceptance of hypocrisy. To keep my sanity I reject the idea of a god because we have to accept one of two possiblities 1. either there is a god and it allows so much tragedy in this world (babies starving or being blown up by mines) or there is no go and the universe is a random event. I choose two so I don't ave to pretend to love a being that shows so much favor to one group over another. There I go again.......gotta learn to stop when I'm ahead.
Mack Lyons, "I believe that many churchgoers make the fatal mistake of putting their blind trust in a man and an institution rather than placing it where it actually needs to be."
Fatal mistake? is it really a fatal mistake? When you say "many", how many is that?
At least anony @ 9:44 admits that Joe the (non)Plumber and Tired Velma were GOP plants.
1 John 3:18 (NIV)
18Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.
Romans 3:10 (NIV)
As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
Gregory, please read anon@9:44 comment again. You have inadvertently read something into anon's comment that is not there.
fellowship, "Romans 3:10 (NIV)
As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;"
Thank you.
See this is why an African American would have a really difficult time being President; that person asking that question would have gotten the serious side-eye from an African American President.
Anony @ 11:54-
Like what? It's obvious that neither Joe nor Velma were put there by the Dems.
Gregory, "The obvious answer to the question is that it is impossible to be elected President as anything other than a Christian, practically speaking. Obama's answer seemed sincere, rather than cynical."
Where did you get that idea from? It's not true.
Roschelle said...
here in mississippi we lead the nation in illiteracy. however, we are also the most religious state in the union. yep. let that one marinate a while.
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Gotta love the "Southern Strategy"
Thrasher said...
Yawn...I am a pagan
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Get a blog and bitch there instead since your good at it. That's all you've been doing since you landed BACK on "The Field"
Anony @ 12:01=
Prove it to be otherwise.
Anonymous said...
Fatal mistake? is it really a fatal mistake? When you say "many", how many is that?
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alls you need is 1.
Gregory, "Like what? It's obvious that neither Joe nor Velma were put there by the Dems."
Anon said that the woman who asked Obama the question was planted by Dems, NOT Repubs. Read it again, very slowly.
Anony 12:04
I think you are the one in need of remedial reading exercises.
Another slow night at FreeRepublic?
Gregory, "Prove it to be otherwise."
YOU made the absolute blanket statement. YOU prove it. But to help you get started, President Nixon was a Quaker.
rttnkid, "alls you need is 1."
Right. you're beginning to sound a lot like Hathor.lol
Obama lied.
He is no Christian.
Trinity is not a Christian church.
Obama is an atheist.
Yes, Nixon was a Quaker and his actions hardly bespeak qualities that Christians like to tout. However.. from the easiest source available, Wikipedia
"The Religious Society of Friends is a name used by a range of independent religious organizations which all trace their origins to a Christian movement in mid-17th century England and Wales. A central belief was that ordinary people could have a direct experience of the eternal Christ. Today different groups of Friends meet for worship in a variety of forms. Some meet for silent worship with no human leader and no fixed programme (mainly in Europe, Australia, New Zealand and parts of North America). Some meet for services led by a pastor with readings and hymns (mainly in Africa, Asia and parts of North America). Some have a form of worship which incorporates elements of both styles.
The Religious Society of Friends has been categorized as one of the peace churches, alongside the Church of the Brethren, Mennonites and Amish, because of all of these churches' emphasis on Christian pacifism. These churches also share other similarities in terms of theology including a literal interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount, an emphasis on simplicity in speech and dress, and a lack of creedal statements."
So, you are going to say that Quakers are not Christians?
Gregory said, "I think you are the one in need of remedial reading exercises."
Poor Gregory. He missed the whole point of anon's statement, even though it is clear as day. poor guy.
Looks like the anony squad put on the second string tonight.
"So, you are going to say that Quakers are not Christians?"
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Anyone who has been to a Quaker meeting know that it has no resemblance to Christianity.
But let's not get off the blanket claim you made that a person must be Christian to become President. Please prove your "absolute" statement.
Gregory, you should not put so much faith in Wikipedia. Find a better source.
LOL. You are an idiot. I will cede the floor to you, as it is not midnight in my locale. I can hardly wait to read what follows, in six hours or so.
Gregory, "Looks like the anony squad put on the second string tonight."
Actually, it's our fourth string. That's all we need for you. We save our first and second strings for the big guns who are fast asleep by now. You are small fry. But you give our fourth string a chance to practice on dummies.lol
At least you admit your mediocrity. That is all that is required to keep us entertained.
mediocrity vs mediocrity can be entertaining to the mediocre but quite boring to others. Greg, you are quite boring.
Interesting but I think its somewhat a schewed study. There are more people in faith in the country, and atheism and so-called 'free thinkers" tend to be middle to upper middle class and college educated. There's a theological theorem on that, but that's another post.
Because most atheists tend to be scientists, academics and white collar professionals and there is greater diversity of intellect, education and occupation the statistics don't the tell the whole story.
In other words, it would be easy for, say Richard Dawkins or Bill Maher to talk circles around a Sarah Palin or Joe Sixpack about religion. Doesn't mean these people are idiots, it means that they're exposed to a lot more than the average person. And as most non-denominational churches and mega churches have rather loose academic standards, most of your run of the mill prosperity ministers couldn't hold up in a match either. I've got more Biblical knowledge than the average COGIC preacher, and I'm an engineer by training.
However, its whole other thing to debate religion with a real theologian. There are tons of philosophical "hand waves" that the so-called 'new brights' pull that simply won't fly in philosophy or in theology classes. Bill Maher can pull his typical shtick on 'Real Time' taking on some right wing goobers like Glen Beck. Its another to try and slap around a trained academics like R. C. Sproul, Peter Gomes or Shelby Spong.
Yes, most Christians aren't going to build quantum computers for Intel. And yes, most Atheists probably read above a 10th grade level and completed at least community college. But dunking on midgets doesn't make you Micheal Jordan or LeBron James.
What would be more interesting would be "Given equal education, do atheists and agnostic know more about religion than their religious counterparts?"
anon@9:44p said, "Absolutely not. Isn't it obvious that she was planted by the Dems?"
Gregory, how did you get it mixed up with the GOP? Looks like you need remedial reading.
LAC, you make a very good point. also, there are Christians who are scientists, physicists, and build quantum computers. The population of scientists are NOT all atheists. I remember reading somewhere that it was 50/50.
Just finished the article, the scores almost the same. I stand corrected. Hmmm.......fair enough. Most run of the mill Catholics and Protestants don't read their own Bibles. Hell, I go to church every Sunday and are shocked by folks who don't know what the Council of Nicene is, or who John Wesley is.
From the Pan-African News Wire:
"Over 100 activists and journalists from various organizations, religious groups and media outlets attended a gathering with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at the Warwick Hotel in New York City on September 21. The leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran was in the city to attend the annual United Nations General Assembly."
"Some of the individuals and organizations in attendance included former U.S. Congresswoman and Green Party presidential candidate for 2008 Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, poet and activist Amiri Baraka, MOVE Minister of Information Ramona Africa, International Action Center Co-Director Sara Flounders, Ardeshir and Eleanor Ommani, co-founders of the American-Iranian Friendship Committee, Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, Million Worker March Movement organizer Brenda Stokely, Shafeah M'balia of the Black Workers for Justice, Phil Wilayto of the Virginia Defenders for Freedom, Justice and Equality, Larry Holmes of the Bailout the People Movement, Don DeBar of Wbaix.org, Ryme Katkhouda of the People's Media Center among others."
What a motely assortment of craven losers.
What is with this weird alliance between radical Muslims and left-over leftists. Ahmadinejad's Iran hardly seems like a Marxist paradise--its economy is a wreck, subsisting parasitically on oil production while the theocratic regime stones its own people for imagined crimes and enforces medieval dress codes.
Is this what the downfall of capitalism was always about? Pathetic.
I read the study and took the mini 15 question test. You can do so as well here...
http://features.pewforum.org/quiz/us-religious-knowledge/
Atheism or agnosticism is the media endorsed philosophy du jour.
A 15 out of 15 correct is not something worth boasting about.
Anyone who was somewhat awake during world religions in undergrad could have scored at least 12 out of 15.
I know. Not everyone goes to college. I know many with and without college degrees who have enough respect for their fellow humans and for cultures different from their own to take the time to LEARN about someone else's faith.
There are not many Americans, yes, including atheists and Jews, who will respect someone enough to learn about other religions. The whole absolutist thought pattern has, through tv and film, permeated our curriculum and world view. We are trained to think of others in a subhuman way...ahem tv addicts.
Many of us don't care to take the time to learn a foreign language, even though Spanish and French are largely spoken in North America as well as English. Why? We're Americans and they should learn to speak "American." Most Americans don't use their passports. Why? After the money factor, many don't desire to travel. Most of you think that other than Western Europe, and Japan, the rest of the world is a third world latrine. How many of you can name the nations that are regional military powers in Africa? Are you even aware that Nigeria has an airforce, or do you still believe the crap told to you on tv?
You have too many people being comfortable lies and stereotypes. Never seeing if they are absolutely or even partially true. I digress.
Your knowledge of other faiths depends on formal education, curiosity and respect for others. If one doesn't respect another nation or group of people, one won't study anything beyond superficial propaganda, if at all.
(I also wonder where these pollsters truly get their participants. No one has ever polled me for anything.)
President Obama Gives Fox News The FINGER!
http://3chicspolitico.com/
SouthernGirl2
After reading Obama's response to the "Why are you a Christian?" question, and not seeing the video, I must say I like his answer.
He answered in a way that doesn't make Christians look ignorant or looney. We have enough of those walking around. Very Christ-like.
In college my roommate asked me to remove my Buddha statues. I'm not a Buddhist, but they were a gift from a good friend who I would never get to see again. I asked why. She said that he mother doesn't like pagan things since they are of the devil and would destroy the stereo and shelves the statues were placed upon. This is just one example that I've encountered that shows how ignorant and intolerant black people can be towards other faiths. I know many black people who won't pick up a Bible, but will trust a religious (or cult) leader to the extent that they change their holidays and taste in art. For example, NOT celebrating Christmas, Halloween, Easter/Resurrection Day or whatever it's called today. I know people who have removed masks and statues from Benin from their homes because Passa Chicken Wing says it's voo doo AND satanism. They never read the Bible, commentary of other theologians, or thought it through for themselves.
Obama also said today: "So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead -- being my brothers' and sisters' keeper, treating others as they would treat me"
Jesus never said that we should be our brothers' and sisters' keepers; Obama was apparently referring to the story of Cain and Abel.
Biblical precepts are often twisted by liberals to support socialism. Jesus was not a socialist. On the contrary, he explicitly disclaimed any political agenda. And the moral of the story in Genesis is not that we are, or should be, our brothers' keepers. Rather, the phrase comes from Cain's answer when God asks him the whereabouts of his brother Abel, whom Cain has just killed. Cain denies any knowledge, and adds the self-exculpatory question, "Am I my brother's keeper?" The point of the story is not that Cain was responsible for looking after Abel, like an Old Testament Nancy Pelosi. Cain was condemned not for failing to keep watch over his brother, but for killing him.
I do not want Barack Obama to be my "keeper"; I want him to be my President.
25th Matthew pretty much covers it for me.
Anon 1:02
Have you ever in your life heard of Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?
Hey CHILL with calling Long's supporters naive or stupid or whatever. If you met EL or ever been to his service, this would be one of the hardest things for you to believe. Long has done some great things and now we're learning he's done some cruel acts as well. There's no room to attack the congregation. Those boys aren't total victims. They enjoyed the attention, cars, trips, and money. They're just upset they've been cheated on. Sounds like the same thing women do, when a man cheats. Take dat azz to court. At 16 I chased girls. If a man would've approached me at that time, I would tell my mom/dad so he'd get his azz kicked. Matter of fact I would've made him a eunic myself. They didn't so, they knew what they were doing.
I'm not here to defend EL, but the guy is captivating and he's done so much for the community, which makes it harder to believe what we're hearing. Please be sensitive to others in this turmultous time. This is almost like saying the Son of God was sleeping with Mary Magdeline.
So for you to attack his followers is ignorant and insensitive, keep the attention on EL not his followers. I'm sure they'll open their eyes. We're not dumb and blind down here in Atlanta. If they were truly christian then, they'll have to forgive him. It may be the end of New Birth though.
Personally, I'm totally shocked and upset to hear the news. I too enjoyed his services and I've worked with him. Last week we were reminded that he's just a man. That's the real story here. We try to make people into images of God, but we're only human. EL and any other person on this earth sins. It's just very dissappointing to see someone with so much potential fall so hard and decieve so many. Oh well, I'll keep reading my bible and trusting God and myself.
Peace and Hairgrease Bruthas and Sistas
the survey doesn't interest me much except this part:
For comparison purposes, the survey also asked some questions about general knowledge, which yielded the scariest finding: 4% of Americans believe that Stephen King, not Herman Melville, wrote "Moby Dick."
!!!!!!
for those who read the bible strictly or think they follow it closely, this is a riot:
http://www.ted.com/talks/a_j_jacobs_year_of_living_biblically.html
Anon. was Joe the plumber a plant?
I knew a communist with a PhD in Old Testament Theology from Vanderbilt. He could break down the bible with the best of them. Go figure. I think it was chicago dyke who posted earlier that she had an MDIV and was an atheist, and folks were killing her about it and saying that it couldn't be true.
Well I think it is absolutely plausible, and this poll vindicates her and others like her.
The more people study and try to learn the bible, the more confused they seem to become about the true purpose of religion.
BTW, I don't think all church going people are uneducated goobers. I think there is another study (I wish I could find the link) that said that a much larger number of professionals go to church than those who don’t. I am pretty sure that Bishop Eddy's church has a lot of professionals among the 25,000 or so who attend.
Still, I think it's important for folks to keep studying their bibles, quran,tripitaka, veda,tanakh or whatever. Don't just blindly follow. Hell the people preaching to you are always studying.
Obama gave the wrong answer about his Christianity. Not that it was a bad answer - in fact, it was a very good one. But no matter what he says, it will always be the wrong answer as far as a lot of Americans are concerned (ie. those who think the First Commandment is "Thou shalt be an ignorant judgemental prick".)
Some of the anons on here are living proof.
Yawn....I am a pagan
On the subject of religion, Obama is as dishonest as one can be.
His introduction to religion came through islam, in which he was immersed from the ages of 6 to 12, the years he lived in Indonesia, an islamic nation.
No one escapes the influences of his environment in those most formative years of 6 to 12.
During that period, a person absorbs his world but lacks the power to judge it. Hence, a dyed-in-the-wool state develops. A person believes what is thrust on him in those days and carries the residue of those beliefs forever.
Obama began attending Christian churches probably when he met Michelle and he saw the benefits of a little church-going.
He spent 20 years listening to Reverend Wright. That's a bad sign. Wright is obviously a disciple of Louis Farrakhan and Wright's Trinity Church is obviously Nation-of-Islam lite masquerading as a Christian operation.
Therefore, by electing Obama, the US has come its closest to electing a non-Christian to the presidency. Unfortunately, by making this mistake, we've put a lapsed muslim in charge.
Given the failures of Obama's initiatives and his willingness to appease muslim terrorist leaders around the world, it's clear voters made a mistake. Even Democrats are acknowledging their horror at discovering the size of their error.
Anyway, Obama is not -- in any formal sense -- a Christian. There's no evidence he "converted" to Christianity. More likely he simply began attending services.
On the other hand, he's not a muslim in any formal sense either. Moreover, clearly he's wary of Judaism and, like all muslims, he detests Israel.
All in all, he's Jimmy Carter the second.
hey, n-s-liar said:
His introduction to religion came through islam, in which he was immersed from the ages of 6 to 12, the years he lived in Indonesia, an islamic nation.
wrong. he went to catholic AND muslim schools and for 4-5 years only, not six. why does the truth not matter to you at all?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
you know, you beat this dead horse about obama being a muslim as much as AB attacks him daily for no reason other than his mother was white, regardless of what the topic is.
field, you wrote:
Still, I think it's important for folks to keep studying their bibles, quran, tripitaka, veda,tanakh or whatever. Don't just blindly follow. Hell the people preaching to you are always studying.
Don't blindly follow? Please. Only Christianity and Judaism have room for critics. But even the Judeo-Christian world has more than a fair share of dogmatists.
On the other hand, islam as the ultimate dogmatic religion/political doctrine. The Koran is presented as the absolute and incontestable word of their crazy god. No dissent or disagreement permitted.
The absoluteness is the chief reason the muslim world is the primitive, non-technical backwater that it is.
maria,
Oh. Okay, Obama spent only FIVE years immersed in a muslim culture.
Ages 6 to 11. Yeah, that changes everything.
No one escapes those early influences. Psychologists and psychiatrists have built huge practices on trying to rid people of the forces that shaped them from ages 6 to 11.
During those years we are defenseless against most psychological influences. Obama had plenty of traumas during that period of his life.
His 6-to-11 years were troubled, partly because it appears his mother was a nut. No one ever escapes the impact of a nutty mother.
fn:
ditto!!!
most buybull toters have never read or studied any religious book!!!...
BUT
no atheist or muslim could keep hobama's poor black brothers and sisters any WORSE than hobama...amen?
with "brothers" like him, who needs enemies/repubs/gwb??? etc....
aliciabanks.vox.com/.../what-would-jesus-do-jesus-would-love-this-book.html
http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Interrupted-Revealing-Hidden-Contradictions/dp/0061173932
http://www.amazon.com/Mystical-Life-Jesus-Uncommon-Perspective/dp/0451222229/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1285766100&sr=1-1-fkmr0
t:
"pagan" = worshipper of female god
until racist sexist human men dominated and twisted all religions and penned the buybull and convinced blacks that god and jesus were blonde blue eyed white men....shame!!!
africans were the original hue-men and most africans still worship polygods that include female gods
&
the eldest human skeletons found are all african females
all human men begin STILL begin as females in the womb...in the image of god
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEsaniwZZNU
http://www.amazon.com/When-God-Woman-Merlin-Stone/dp/015696158X
http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/.../the-science-of-sexuality.html
AB, please ignore Maria.
Maria, no one cares if you are Obama's mother is white. You really need to get over your whiteness. You circuitously pick fights with AB just to end up claiming white victimization, your pony is tired already.
PilotX said: "1. either there is a god and it allows so much tragedy in this world (babies starving or being blown up by mines) or there is no go and the universe is a random event."
A few years ago, I decided to let God and religion go for sanity and inner peace reasons. I just want to be a "fair", peaceful and respectful person to others, hope for it in return and go about my peaceful business.
If I have to believe in this "God" as he/she/it is presented in the bible, I would have no choice but to direct my anger and disappoints at this entity for all the suffering, personal tragedies and imbalanced hardships I see decent people go through in this world. Is this called "love" and "goodness"?
Maybe "humanity" and our entire universal existence is some sort of osmosis. Maybe some sort of living fungi growing on a small rock in the woods, or simply a microbe mishap of something bigger than what we could never intellectually process - therefore shit happens. And I can see how someone could easily try to tie that into God and Christianity being the bigger something. Whatever.
I can't stand hypocrisy, unprovoked suffering and blatant unfairness. I can't stand to see humanity suffer in this way. If there is a superior being, either we really are truly insignificant fungus unnoticeably surviving on their moldy floor, or they themselves are blatantly bias, spiteful or playing us as like a chess game. And of course, in the hypocritical minds of most religion zealots, I'm now officially crazy and evil for thinking such mendacity.
Notice how amongst the 3 major religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, the most religious and most fervent of it's followers are always the most hateful and/or violent.
Field,
You raise a great question and it is true that many people and Christians have an issue with religion/Christianity based on their life's situation or events such as the Eddie long sex scandal.
As a Christian I "was stunned and saddened. I felt an immediate and profound sense of loss, as if there had been another death in the family" when the news broke on Eddie Long. But it did not waiver my faith. I have personally experienced tragedies and set backs in the past FIVE YEARS but I’ve prevailed! With that being said I still believe!
The one thing that I fear is when state of affairs such as Obama and Eddie Long hit the media it would raise questions and comments such as these causing people to question or even turn from their faith and religion as a hold. One thing people and Christians have to realize God often times don’t make sense however faith has to prevail. Yes there will be days of confusion and questioning but one has to recognize you don't worship man (preacher) but worship God. So many get it twisted by putting all their faith and love in a man as if he is the genie in the bottle granting all wishes. This thought and belief causes a disillusionment of Christianity which leads to people bailing out doubting and even mocking it.
Maria,
Keep fighting the good fight.
Never let the haters get to you..
rippa:
i love u like jah do
but i disagree with u vehemently
eddie long and his sermon and missions are DEFINED by homohatred
ditto for his suddenly silent homohating gal pal bernice king
THAT is why his homohating by demand flock SHOULD be crucified along with him...even you brother for your callous disregard for his CHILD PREY!!!
pedophiles NEVER attack strong willed kids with great parents like u and i...they prey on weak kids who need parents and then they become incestuous surrogate parents
there is nothing christian about eddie long...he is a shady tree jumper for jesus who is also a financial vampire to a flock of blind adoring sheeple...and his peers are mostly clones
christians are consistently the most heartless evil people i know...and it wounds me SO bro to see that holy heartlessness even in you today...
love u anyway,
ab
uts:
u r a tom oj...shame!!!
he went to catholic schools while in indonesia. he wasn't "immersed" in anything. read the link to snopes.
n-s and AB have one note and they sound it over and over and over and over.
LAA, you get over it. or whitishness, as you like to say as some sort of slur. whatever...the facts remain undisputed. that's why AB hates him. she has not be able to say otherwise. i've been accused of playing the victim and the savior, so which is? neither.
and i said nothing about myself in that previous post, so again, the accusations are baseless.
the tucc is a church that even i adore...it is filled with afrocentric scholars who actually do read their books and bibles who could teach that elitist cia agent hobama EONS about keeping his poor black brothers...
the same poor black chi-town bros hobama pimped and made slum deals with all the way to dc
http://www.tucc.org/
thank you, steve.
You're so right Maria.
Keep it up.
Many of us have your back.
OJ errr Steve
maria:
i am not a racist like you who covets black skin in yuor bed
only jungle fevered wiggas like you claim anyone hates hobama because his mommy was a clone of u...
there are trillions of OTHER things to despise about hobama...
but you cannot see past his blackish swag
we get that
laa:
thank you
ditto!!!
i am a lioness and maria is a stringy haired pc of string all up in my fierce fangs...
i am trying
what is with her mammy maid/oj fan club herein????
why can they not see past her kim kardashian morphs mother theresa bs as we do???
more on how hobama and his posse keep his bros in slums in in chicago
hobama has made all of black america a ghetto decades to come
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/16/AR2006121600729.html
www.boston.com/.../grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.article
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/18/olympic-sized-boondoggle-what-valerie-jarrett-and-michelle-obama-are-up-to/
"i am a lioness and maria is a stringy haired pc of string all up in my fierce fangs..."
what BS. i don't debate you. and i have no doubt if we ever had a contest on physical beauty, i would win, hands down. enuff said.
AB, Steve is playing her, she's just props for his usual black female taunting. Don't take it personal, she is disposable to his kind either way. She can't see it yet, or she doesn't mind.
I actually commend Steve, its cute watching a black man like him pick up and pet a stray cat that no one wants. Let Maria enjoy the recognition and attention that she would never otherwise receive from white males.
uts:
i expect colorist sexist dogs like you who gleefully hate black women to have the backs of all white bimbo sluts like maria...LITERALLY!
u 2 nutty swirled squirrels carry on oj
How come I never see Maria complaining about white men the way you two are always yakking about black men?
laa:
ditto
and remember
uts always leaves that silly suicidal alley cat maria to be be beaten down and mauled routinely...
i am just waiting for the next stray flay!
uptownsteve, you wrote:
Notice how amongst the 3 major religions, Christianity, Islam and Judaism, the most religious and most fervent of it's followers are always the most hateful and/or violent.
Are you asserting the blacks who commit the majority of NY City murders are the most religious among us?
Murder rising at alarming rate, sending waves of fear throughout NYC's most dangerous neighborhoods
BY Kerry Burke, Andrew Phillips and Jonathan Lemire
DAILY NEWS WRITERS
September 29th 2010
Bales for NewsThe number of people shot citywide has gone up 4.5% from a year ago, jumping to 1,374.
NYPD statistics through the first nine months of the year show the number of murders has climbed 13.2% from the same period last year. There were 341 murders at this point last year compared with 386 through Sunday, according to the most recent data available.
Cops in the 75th Precinct in East New York, Brooklyn, have investigated 23 homicides this year - the most in the city.
Cyncerae Pough, 27, who lives in the neighborhood, is not surprised. "Every night all I hear is cop cars and ambulances," said Pough, the mother of a 6-year-old girl. "I don't come out of my house if I don't have to."
Bullets have been flying over the Bronx, too. There's been an 18.3% spike in the borough.
In the 47th Precinct, which sits in the northern section of the Bronx, the number of murders is up 46.2%: Nineteen people have been killed in that precinct this year, up from 13 during the first three-quarters of 2009.
"It's horrible," said Elena Rodrigues, 25, a stay-at-home mom in Eastchester. "Way too many people have guns these days. Some people just don't have no control."
The murder rate is up 25.9% in Queens, 12.2% in Manhattan and 7.4% in Brooklyn - the borough which sports some of the city's most crime-plagued neighborhoods.
Eighteen people have been murdered in Brooklyn's 67th Precinct, unnerving longtime East Flatbush residents.
"People are not working, there are no jobs, so people are out on the street," said Karen Brown, 48, a home health aide. "You aren't even secure when you're inside your own home."
The number of people shot citywide has gone up 4.5% from a year ago, jumping from 1,315 to 1,374.
The uptick in murders comes after a year in which the city recorded 466 - the fewest number of slayings since the NYPD began keeping track in 1963.
Though the overall crime rate is down 1.5% citywide, primarily due to a 6.2% drop in grand larceny, most felony categories are up.
Rapes have increased 13.5% citywide, including a disturbing 45.1% jump in Manhattan. There have been seven rapes in Central Park this year. During the first nine months of last year, no one reported being raped in Central Park.
uptownsteve said...
"You're so right Maria."
Shut up, you pussy.
Maria: "Facts" from Obama's Ayers-penned autobigraphy should be verified.
Obama did spend his formative years in a muslim country. His mother however, was an atheist who raised her son to disdain (among other things) all religion.
Obama began attending church only as an adult, and only for the expressly political purpose of forging an identity that could plausibly be passed off as Black American.
He clearly does not understand the deeper aspects of Christianity, but that's OK, because most of his supporters don't either.
uts:
because she does not know any
she exclusively collects bm rejects like YOU!!!
laa ure a sicko and a psycho u r a sadistic piece of garbage straight up and u get off on siding with bullies u were prolly the ugly wench who hung out with the playground bully for protection who stood idly by while the bully tortured other students ya sicko maria states her ideas and u immediately get on her cuz u wish u were white! that is why u and cast iron skillet underbelly buceta breaf r so bitter yall wishes u was white ya self hating hypocrites!
reject huh? eye guess ude know about rejects ya dumb buceta breaf coohole! ure emboldened cuz ur clones r out coinsulting others with ya today ya jerk! if u keep at this ule fuck ur karma up even more and when ure thirsty in hell well all just laugh at ur pitiful asses!
ya ugly piece a dog shit!
maria:
i adore many bi racial people
i am not a racist like you
they include:
bob marley
halle berry
shemar moore
etc
i also adore many bm who marry white women
ie
harry belafonte
quincy jones
ziggy marley
but i will never ever love that blackish mongrel mutt cia agent evil lying hoax hobama
YOU get over that!!!
uts will help u...
i hate bullies
especially uneducated vulgar evil fertile retarded holy bullies like you
that is why i slay u so u forget your role!!!
vdlr
i have always hated the outdoors
i usually skipped recess to stay with my beloved teachers who adored me as their pet genius
i evaded lil bitty butch dyke special ed hood rat bullies like you like they were beehives!!!
i just love stinging ya to this day!!!
no slappy
I understand that you are still traumatized at being violated by your black cellmate.
Time and prayer will help you through your pain.
Anon
"He (Obama) clearly does not understand the deeper aspects of Christianity, but that's OK, because most of his supporters don't either."
Oh yeah. Maybe he should consult the twice divorced Newt Gingrich, baby grand-mama, wolf shootin Sara Palin or witchy Christine O'Donnell to understand the deeper aspects of Christianity.
You gotta be kidding fool.
vdlr:
i do enjoy a crisp fall day or a fluffy snowfall...
fall and winter are my fav seasons
but even during a few preferred seasonal recesses, i evaded lil retarded clones of peppermint patty meets riley freeman thugettes like YOU!!!
UTS:"Oh yeah. Maybe he should consult the twice divorced Newt Gingrich, baby grand-mama, wolf shootin Sara Palin or witchy Christine O'Donnell to understand the deeper aspects of Christianity.
You gotta be kidding fool."
I wouldn't vote for any of them for anything higher than mayor of a medium-sized city.
The point is the obvious fraud that is Obama's "Chrisitianity".
To be fair, it is the political climate in this country that compels President Soetoro to feign his old-time religion.
Personally, I have no problem with an atheist being president, I don't like a liar, though.
see eddie long's PREY/VICTIM
call him out
there is nothing godly about the christians who dismiss his pain as they worship his abuser
shame!!!
http://sandrarose.com/2010/09/bishop-eddie-long-accuser-speaks-out/
i am also convinced that if these were teen girls they would be getting far more sympathy from these homohating christians
teen girls = victims
teen boys = "willing fags"
shame on you holy hater
shame!!!!
anon-idiot
These attacks on Obama's "anti-christianity" "the birthers" and now with Dinesh D'Souza's outlandish bullshit...Obama's supposed "Kenyan anti-colonialism"....are nothing more than laundered racism.
There are many putrid assholes in this country who will NEVER accept a black man as their President (evidently some of these a-holes are black females) and they are on a mission to depict this man born in America, whose politics are centered in moderate liberalism as this dangerous minority insurgent determined to undermind and ultimatelt subvert the fabric of America.
It's total nonsense and it is an outright tragedy that the major players in media and government are virtually silent while this Nazi style uprising is occuring right in front of our faces.
all religions are the same sinful jokes to me
but
hobama lies always!!!
hobama is a muslim
and he was born a muslim
and adopted as a muslim by his stepdad
and i could not care less
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=60559
uts:
i would adore many bm as pez
cornel west
mike dyson
mumia abu-jamal
malcolm c
mlk
but never that blackish crueler meaner more brutal ruthless clone of gwb hobama....never!!!
fyi
and everyboy who hates hobama would be happy if they had security and a job and a home and hope and change....
even if hobama was purple with orange stripes
it is not his race
it is his ruthlessness to the poor
and soldiers and gays and latinos etc
and ONLY ignorant racist hobama nazi fools like u deny this
uts:
u hobama nazis are fatally stuck on stupid
whining about fictional racism/exaggerating real racism will NEVER mask hobama's bumbling failed bs...
only jobs/homes/HOPE AND CHANGE
will change that
nov 2012 looms
hobama and his blind racist drones better find a new whine asap
UTS: "It's total nonsense and it is an outright tragedy that the major players in media and government are virtually silent while this Nazi style uprising is occuring right in front of our faces."
Nazi style uprising? Are you hysterical?
The major players in the media have been working overtime since the start to paint the Tea Party as racist in order to protect the underqualified naif with a sketchy past that they, through their diligent avoidance of the facts, help to install as president.
Obama is not a moderate. His ideas are half-baked policy theories absorbed from pseudo-marxist professors in the early 1980's that are comically outdated now.
He is not a Muslim, he is not a Kenyan, hell, he is not even really Black. He is a fool.
Assnon
"The major players in the media have been working overtime since the start to paint the Tea Party as racist in order to protect the underqualified naif with a sketchy past that they, through their diligent avoidance of the facts, help to install as president."
Name ONE.
Name one major political or media figure who has forthrightly condemned the Tea Party racism or the D'Souza/Gingrich "Kenyan anti-colonialist" crapola?
Take all the time you need.
One question though.
Being an America citizen, why would you not be anti-colonialist?
@ no_slappz:
"On the subject of religion, Obama is as dishonest as one can be.
His introduction to religion came through islam, in which he was immersed from the ages of 6 to 12, the years he lived in Indonesia, an islamic nation.
No one escapes the influences of his environment in those most formative years of 6 to 12."
Ever been to Indonesia, NS?
Tell me this, smart guy: How do Indonesian Christians spend their formative years in Indonesia, and somehow remain Christian, if it is such an oppressive Islamic environment?
As I've said before, Indonesia in religious terms is not so different to most Western nations, except Islam rather than Christianity is the dominant religion. There are a few fundamentalists stirring up shit, but the majority are secular-minded and don't really care what religion anyone else is. This is particularly true of Jakarta when Obama lived there, when militant Islam was effectively smothered by the Suharto regime.
The whole Obama-is-a-Muslim thing is so tired and false, and the only people who believe it are those who have an agenda to do so.
By your logic, I'm a Muslim too. Gee, maybe I am... after all, you seem to know Obama's religious faith better than he knows his own. You're so smart, aren't you?
anon:
preach!
if hobama was white, uts and all hobama nazis would be villyfying him!!!
gwb was hated by all and hobama is worse than him in EVERY way!!!
what is their to worship other than his half black skin????
which half is the idiot hoax???
ie
HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT UTS/ALL HOBAMA NAZIS NEVER TELL US WHY THEY ADORE HOBAMA SO MUCH???
WHAT HAS HE DONE TO WARRANT LOVE OTHER THAN BE BORN HALF BLACK????
SHAME!!!
AB
I never said that I adore Obama but he is a damn sight better than Bush and the rightwing hacks who drove this country into depression in the first place.
And for all you phonies who rail against the stimulus packages (which I don't feel went far enough)...WHAT WAS YOUR ALTERNATIVE?
Answer the question.
uts:
like hobama
you lie!!!
how is he better than gwb????
u answer my question first
u owe me MANY answers!!!!
&
feces v. shi* = no choice!!!
the lesser evil grows MORE evil when worshipped and unchecked!!!
hobama proves this daily as u coddle and excuse him...shame!!!!
His policies halted the recession and the slide into economic abyss.
The recovery may not coming as quick as we'd like but the negative trend has been reversed.
Can you answer my question please?
uptownsteve said...
"Name ONE."
MSNBC, who cropped a picture of a guy at a D.C. area Tea Party rally with an AR-15 strapped to his back to hide the fact that he was Black, and used it to launch a discussion on the racist, violent undercurrent of the Tea Partiers.
"Name one major political or media figure who has forthrightly condemned the Tea Party racism or the D'Souza/Gingrich "Kenyan anti-colonialist" crapola?"
There is no Tea Party racism to denounce. D'Souza is a hack writer who caters to a limited audience. I'll bet very few people have heard of his book, and there is no compelling reason for a poltician to give it higher prominence by initiating an attack.
"Being an America citizen, why would you not be anti-colonialist?"
D'Souza's use of the term describes a specific movement that seeks redress for European colonialism, more specifically in Africa and Asia. Americans are instinctually anti-colonialist. D'Souza's thesis (which I do not buy) is that it's weird for an American President to exhibit an obsession with an issue that does not directly involve America.
uptownsteve said...
"His policies halted the recession and the slide into economic abyss."
Obama's policies have extended the recession for more than a year now. The stimulus was an unmitigated failure. His only hope is for a Republican congress to save his ass like they saved Clinton's.
"And for all you phonies who rail against the stimulus packages (which I don't feel went far enough)...WHAT WAS YOUR ALTERNATIVE?"
I just want to say that the money did go far.
Far out the country by all the non-black semi-working fertile immigrants in America who do collect and send money back home. This is such a big practice that many of you have no idea. I'm just keeping it real.
uts:
what halt????
hobama made EVERY ill of gwb worse!!!
where r u????
we are in a depression especially in black america!!!
wtf????
u hobama nazi drones chose the lesser evil
and then excused and coddled him until he became the greatest evil ever
sahme!!!!
"Lincoln was a mediocre politician until Frederick Douglass got to him," West said. He fears Obama administration policies are "leaning too much to the strong." That, in his view, is "the challenge in the age of Obama.''
cornel
Okay Anonymous I see you're just a lying dittohead doofus and wouldn't acknowledge the truth if it were dangling on your chin.
From Mark Williams' rants, to Andrew Breitbart's machinations, to the placards with Obama in tribal garb with a bone through his nose, to the white supremacist recruiting efforts at tea party gatherings, to the racial epithets and spit hurled at black and gay congressmen on the steps of the Capitol, the racism of the Tea Party is UNDENIABLE.
"I'll bet very few people have heard of his book, and there is no compelling reason for a poltician to give it higher prominence by initiating an attack."
His book was featured on the frontpage of Forbes Magazine and eagerly endorsed by the former GOP Speaker of the House.
Is ya stupid?
AB: Cornell West is a fraud, and you are an idiot for buying his bullshit.
hear a black econ scholar and a hobama fan dr. julianne malveaux on the economic brutality of hobama
even
those who love hobama and are sane know he is worse than gwb!!!
only racist hobama nazis can deny that hobama is worse than gwb and hobama has destroyed america....especially blalck america
http://dysonshow.org/?p=2444
Notice the ranters ever answer the question.
WHAT WAS THE RIGHTWING ALTERNATIVE TO THE STIMULUS?
assnon:
u r unfit to pick cornel's afro
and u share the same IQ as his plastic afro pick
hobama has slain u
good riddance!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9-jvClb0Ts
uts:
u r a fake beta male boob
we see u changing the subject yet again u tangential twit
uts:
ALL DISSENT = PATRIOTISM
u r the stupid racist one
as u ignore millions of whites who voted for hobama
to focus on a few KKK fools who crash RIGHTEOUS tea parties
shame!!!
"u r unfit to pick cornel's afro"
Looks like Cornel is unfit to pick it as well.
I bet he has a beetle colony living in there.
Don't worry AB, I wasn't expecting an answer from you.
You Obamaphobes just rant.
the right wingers never signed HUGE checks like hobama did!!!
uts:
u nappy headed mongrel
how dare u!
i adore his hair
it is god's hair
got a jheri curl oj?
uts:
hair is irrelevant
u would still be a blind idiot even when u r bald
cornel has a superb brain and 20/20 political vision
and unlike u
cw can love hobama and SEE that mf hobama simultanrously too
HOW IS GWB WORSE THAN HIS BLACKISH COUSIN HOBAMA???????
@Uptown Steve:
Personal attacks and false charges are standard tactics from the Alinksyite playbook. The state-run media defended their party by portraying a legitimate grass roots opposition movement as "racist". And you, and all the other eager believers ate it right up.
Chairman Soetoro wages his Cultural Revolution, and anybody who objects is a racist.
The only thing surprising is just how easy it still is to sell the Big Lie, even when the premise is so weak.
Keep the faith, Comrade Uptown!
uts:
are u lye-ing like the baldheaded vdlr???
that would explain your own constant mindless rants...
do u and maria wear the same pony tail like so many other permed out swirled duo oj bros in cali etc???
uptownsteve said...
"WHAT WAS THE RIGHTWING ALTERNATIVE TO THE STIMULUS?"
Let the banks and institutional investors take their lumps - no bail outs.
Let GM and Chrysler declare bankruptcy, settle with their creditors, and rebuild their businesses on their own.
Don't change the rules in the middle of the game, and re-assure businesses that the rug won't be pulled out from under them.
Stop forcing banks to give mortgages to people who don't meet basic underwriting criteria.
Cut taxes.
Reduce spending.
AB
I got dat good stuff.
You know the kind you darkskinned sistas like to run your hands through.
Or wish you had yourself so you wouldn't have to use the hot-comb.
laa said:
Far out the country by all the non-black semi-working fertile immigrants in America who do collect and send money back home. This is such a big practice that many of you have no idea. I'm just keeping it real.
11:07 AM
you know this from the virgin islands? i can see russia from my house, too.
what an ugly, ugly rant. even for you.
apparently you aren't aware that any company must verify that their workers are legal? and this is being stressed and enforced with all federal contractors, esp. those with stimulus funding.
the mandatory system that all federal contractors must use is called e-verify.
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=75bce2e261405110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=75bce2e261405110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD
uts:
only bad mongrels like "good" hair
u coon clown
unlike chemically poisoned euro mongrels like u
i am happy to be nappy and locked for life
i adore soft nappy locks
u r no mumia oj!
where the stimulus went:
http://www.recovery.gov/Pages/home.aspx
uts:
i have god's hair
&
my divine nappy locks are softer and silkier than your greasy S curl lye perm!
ick al sharpton!
Anonymous
Your post is exactly why the righties got voted out and if they get back in this country will plunge into a full bore depression.
And how were the banks FORCED to extend mortgages to people?
That is rightwing bull$hit.
During the housing boom and Bush's deregulation bonanza, the lenders eagerly extended to credit to people not normally credit worthy figuring the good times would last and allow them to place bets with worthless paper.
mareally stupid:
the stimulus is gone to banksters!!!
and not to broke fools like u and uts!!!
and the us debt is going to prove that!!!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
anon:
can u believe uts really thinks hobama has fashioned any recovery?????
hobama and his ilk thrive on blind sheeple like uts
shame!!!!
maria,
"you know this from the virgin islands? i can see russia from my house, too."
what an ugly, ugly rant. even for you."
Yeah, LAA is starting to show a very dark heart.
I guess she thinks immigrants fresh over the border get jobs at GM or on Wall Street.
uts & maria:
hobama's paid his real estate vampires TRILLIONS aa reward in stimulus for the very same predatory mortgage bs u lament...
HOW IS THAT BETTER THAN GWB?????
hey uts:
u oj conked mongrels know all about dark hearts
u save your darkest heartless bs for black female clones of you
but even your dark is less evil than that of the blackish black hearted mf hobama bet!!!!
uts:
how long will mindless blind mongrels like you choke on the blackish hobama's lethal black kool-aid????
u have been swigging OT!
http://blackagendareport.com/?q=content/ba-morning-shot-92910-drown-kool-aid
UTS: "Your post is exactly why the righties got voted out"
George Bush was not a "rightie".
"And how were the banks FORCED to extend mortgages to people?"
By being threatened with fines and loss of access to prime credit if they didn't meet subprime quotas.
You really need to read more, Steve.
Meanwhile, at an NFL game in Chicago--AB's hometown--an NFL player gets called the N-word from a Chicago fan. These days you can't go to a game without old man 'racism' working his ugly stuff.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/nick-collins-confronts-fan_n_742320.html
I'm very late to the conversation, but I just have to add that His O-ness still doesn't Get It. That explanation was too cool, calm, rational, and logical. The People want to hear that he had a revelation on the Road to Damascus, that he was struck down by the Spirit, Hallelujah! His cerebral approach to religion is soooo reality-based, and so last century.
rippa
earl oh said it best
this is why eddie and his entire church is righteously under fire!!!
These are the stock ploys that a bevy of celeb preachers, politicians and a Pope snatch at when caught with their sexual hypocrisy exposed. Long didn't go there. He simply spun his hypocrisy as that of a man engaged in a thoughtful and reflective soul search. Long now should take one more step in his soul search and apologize for his greatest sin. That's his near decade long, relentless, gay bash. Long didn't just do what many conservative fundamentalist black preachers do and quietly twist scripture and verse to make the case that God condemns gays to eternal hell and damnation. He actively led crusades against gay marriage, and by extension gays, railed against them on his websites, in fiery sermons, loudly backed George W. Bush's federal amendment banning gay marriage, and led a slanderous march to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s gravesite to denounce gay marriage. Each new accusation that Long used his youth training academy as a cover to procure kid sex, may ultimately prove him to be not just a hypocrite, but a full blown sexual predator.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/eddie-long-can-repent-by_b_739552.html
ditto for that homohating gay chicken hawk flamer queen donnie mcclurkin!!!!
the stimulus funds did not go to banks.
the bailout funds did. they are not the same. but never let facts get in the way of a good story. is it ignorance, stupidity or both?
Ass-non
"You really need to read more, Steve."
And you need to read something other than "Human Events".
Nobody forced banks to lend to high risk borrowers. In 2002 annual home price appreciation was 10% of more in much of the country. Greenspan lowered the fed reserve rate to the lowest point in 50 years...1%.
Many financial institutions issued large amounts of debt and invested in mortgage-backed securities believing that house prices would continue to rise and people would be able to keep up on their mortgage payments.
one major reasons Black people are "christians" is:
The experiences of one generation become the history of the next generation & the histories of several generations become the traditions of a people. AKA born into it.
Remeber people that pope Nicolas V approve of the African slavery, reason being he deemed Africans had no souls.
Thuggish radical Andy Stern, who as head of the malignant SEIU was the #1 visitor to Obama's White House, finds himself in hot water:
"The FBI and the U.S. Labor Department are investigating prominent labor leader Andy Stern in their probe of corruption at the Service Employees International Union, according to two people who have been interviewed by federal agents."
The SEIU is a defacto wing of the democrat party. This election, SEIU is spending $44 million supporting democrat candidates.
Obama's pal Andy Stern isn't the only commie from the SEIU in trouble with the grownups — not that we would know this from the liberal establishment media. There's also Joseph Iosbaker, Chief Steward for SEIU's Local 73 in Chicago:
"Over the weekend the FBI announced that it was investigating Joseph Iosbaker for possible connections to overseas terror groups. Iosbaker and his wife Stephanie Weiner, both anti-war activists, are suspected of activities "concerning the material support of terrorism."
As usual, the media is covering for Obama's friends:
"It is interesting to note that [Iosbaker's SEIU affiliation] escaped most of Chicago's TV coverage. Michelle Gallardo of ABC 7 TV seems to have forgotten to mention the union connection, CBS channel 2 also missed this fact, WGN TV channel 9 also forgot to mention the SEIU, and Channel 5 NBC also missed it, all accidentally I'm sure."
It isn't just TV that missed this fact. The Associated Press also seems to be blind to the fact that Iosbaker is a union operative.
Fortunately we have alternative sources of information, so the public has no excuse not to keep itself sufficiently informed as to avoid catastrophic mistakes the leftist "mainstream" media would deliberately lead us into, like the 2008 elections.
^^^^Co-sign 100%^^^
Our ancestors did not parctice "christianity" and we lived for 100's of years as a great people. How can your enemy give you something that will help you? Btw, the same goes for islam.
uptownsteve said...
"Many financial institutions issued large amounts of debt and invested in mortgage-backed securities believing that house prices would continue to rise and people would be able to keep up on their mortgage payments."
You are correct that banks deserve their share of the blame. I wish they would have had to live the consequences. But the fact remains the market was grossly distorted by the government (under Clinton and Bush) pushing lenders to make sub prime loans.
rippa
earl oh said it best
this is why eddie and his entire church is righteously under fire!!!
These are the stock ploys that a bevy of celeb preachers, politicians and a Pope snatch at when caught with their sexual hypocrisy exposed. Long didn't go there. He simply spun his hypocrisy as that of a man engaged in a thoughtful and reflective soul search. Long now should take one more step in his soul search and apologize for his greatest sin. That's his near decade long, relentless, gay bash. Long didn't just do what many conservative fundamentalist black preachers do and quietly twist scripture and verse to make the case that God condemns gays to eternal hell and damnation. He actively led crusades against gay marriage, and by extension gays, railed against them on his websites, in fiery sermons, loudly backed George W. Bush's federal amendment banning gay marriage, and led a slanderous march to Martin Luther King, Jr.'s gravesite to denounce gay marriage. Each new accusation that Long used his youth training academy as a cover to procure kid sex, may ultimately prove him to be not just a hypocrite, but a full blown sexual predator.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/eddie-long-can-repent-by_b_739552.html
ditto for that homohating gay chicken hawk flamer queen donnie mcclurkin!!!!
maria:
the fact is that NONE of hobama's largesse has been given to broke adoring fools like u and uts
there has been no recovery and we are in a recession
ONLY hobama nazis like u are splitting hairs over hot dogs beans and bs!!!
maria:
where is the blackish beef in hobama's stimulus?????
this wf has no jungle fever
and she is smarter than u
and she agrees with me!!!
fyi
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/100901-National-Press-Club.pdf
u hobama nazis lie even MORE Than hobama!!!
It's settled now. Barack Obama has come clean on his monstrous $787 billion "stimulus" package, acknowledging that it has been a complete bust. Not that we needed BHO to admit it. Since the enactment of "porkulus," the number of Americans receiving unemployment checks jumped by nearly 2 million, while the number of Americans cashing paychecks plunged by almost 3 million. If that weren't bad enough, the U.S. economy has been handcuffed with 16 straight months of unemployment lingering above 9%. A jobs bill it was not, Mr. President. And he's finally saying as much, tacitly at least. Why else would he propose another round of multi-billion dollar expenditures to "create jobs" if his original one worked? He wouldn't need to.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38890
Steve,
I don't have Maria's back after her assault on me yesterday of all my years as a Black activist in hundreds of sites Maria's pst yesterday ranked close to the top with hate speech I have got from KKK, Aryan Nation, etc..
Where was your support for me?? Why were you silent and not crtitical of her vile verbaige lodged at me??
Steve at one point does our support of white liberals end???
thrasher:
u need to be a wf to inspire uts to play captain save a ho
he does not get down like that gay dude eddie long
thrasher said..."Steve at one point does our support of white liberals end???"
When you are not needed anymore.
AB,
Mine your own business on this issue...My post was directed at Steve...
Don't get me started with your goofy ass today..I am not feeling it..You know I have much respect for your genius but I will fucked you up in here .....Now run along and wait until I am finish with Steve...Naw mean
t:
u know i never take orders or blows from goofy beta males like u and uts...
so your macho bro bs is tired and a waste of time
why bother really?
and uts will never play savior to u like that chicken hawk eddie long does to gay chickens....
get over that like the fatherless teen girls at new birth do
ps: do not be mad and uts because i slauy u both...
t:
beta male lying hobama nazis are my business bro...all over the net!!!
where u been????
I apologize if this has been brought up already; why do agnostics/atheists posit the false choice of a)Negligent/Apathetic/Distant God or b) No God what so ever?
As a black, progressive, politically active Christian, I am more than comnfortable in my skin. My beliefs and my intellect do not conflict, if anything, my beliefs give purpose and renewed wonder to every bit of knowledge I aggregate. I can give love and support to those who do not believe as I do easily and with enthusiasm, and any conflicts I find in the Bible I can work out through meditation, prayer, and conversation/discussion.
Before I go any further, I just want to say that if there is child who needs help learning to read, you should help not mock. The same goes for anyone with a lack of some skill that you can share.
here's the "attack:"
Thrasher said...
Not only is grade inflation and fraud rampant in white school districts and private schools but the level of staff competence is also quite inflated and less that stellar..
One of the emperical tools to evaluate the merits of superior educational outcomes is to examine the occupations and status of these firms where these inflated graduates end up..
Our nation's educational downward spiral is present in both the public and private sector ..We are a nation now that can't do any thing right or productive.. From recalls to incompetence in accounting firms to plumbers who shut off the wrong water pipe to electrical workers who shocked themsleves to surgeons who operate on the wrong testicle, to parents who give thier children the wrong cough syrup...
We have become a nation of clusterfucks and the majority of these cluster fucks are graduates from white school districts...lol,lol,lol
11:26 AM
maria said...
suicide looks like your only option, thrasher. either that or up your happy pills.
12:20 PM
Thrasher,
I missed Maria's attack on you.
Can you repost it?
Thrash
I try not to involve myself in personal spats.
Sometimes folks just don't get along.
You know I'll aways have your back against racists and sellout Toms.
THEY'RE the enemy.
Cryovet..
as an atheist/agnostic, i personally don't believe there's only those two choices. i'm an atheist because the concepts of god, heaven and hell make no sense to me..logically, philosophically, scientifically and historically..and not because i think i have to choose between a and b.
i would like to ask those religious posters on here..how do you reconcile your liberal and progressive tendencies with questionable and ignorant passages in religious texts?
@ Thrasher: You call that an attack?
You really need to get out of your mom's basement more often.
"you know this from the virgin islands? i can see russia from my house, too. "
You can? I thought you lived somewhere within the inner States. That's not "Russia" you are seeing Maria, that's a 7-11 parking lot. You are far worse than I thought. If I was you, I wouldn't try to quote anything that came out of Sarah's mouth. If you ask me, the both of you need to dye your hair blonde and call it a day.
And it is... the United States Virgin Islands to you, thank you very much. I bet you think its some place near Russia too.
Maria, you remind me of Rose on the Golden Girls. For the love of cheese cake, stop making yourself look like a dingbat. What does my present location, or anyone else's have to do with what they know or what they may have access to. I bet you're one of those people who think you need to actually stand in the bank line to pay your bank loan. That's why the Al Qeada and Taliban can outsmart arrogant and pompous white Americans like you who think you know it all about everybody. You can't seem to fathom there are people around the world who also know more about you than you know about yourself.
And Maria, most people who participate on this blog probably lived and traveled more places than you have, I am sure I am one of them.
"apparently you aren't aware that any company must verify that their workers are legal? and this is being stressed and enforced with all federal contractors, esp. those with stimulus funding."
That was not what I was referring to, and not all immigrants are "illegal". Your own American arrogance and condescending bigotry confuses you, this makes you no better than the things you accuse me of. Furthermore, I was focussing in respect to the individual capacities, I keep forgetting how much you process information oddly. You see Maria, while you're standing in the bank lines, there are Asian, East Indian etc. immigrants who are electronically sending a good portion of their wages/tax returns etc. out of the America to build up their home land elsewhere, they do this routinely. I am not blaming them, but this is a big aspect that also outsources American resources that many don't also fail to look at.
anonymous 11:30 a.m. wrote in response to uptownsteve's question:
"WHAT WAS THE RIGHTWING ALTERNATIVE TO THE STIMULUS?"
Let the banks and institutional investors take their lumps - no bail outs.
Let GM and Chrysler declare bankruptcy, settle with their creditors, and rebuild their businesses on their own.
Don't change the rules in the middle of the game, and re-assure businesses that the rug won't be pulled out from under them.
Stop forcing banks to give mortgages to people who don't meet basic underwriting criteria.
Cut taxes.
Reduce spending.
Excellent. Anonymous nailed it.
I'll add more. Remove drilling restrictions on oil & gas companies, specifically allowing them to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and off the east and west coasts.
And increasing the number of H1-B visas to technology workers in other countries. Better for them to come here to get work rather than cause companies here send work to them over there.
here again is the nastiness you spewed.
"And for all you phonies who rail against the stimulus packages (which I don't feel went far enough)...WHAT WAS YOUR ALTERNATIVE?"
La♥audiobooks said...
I just want to say that the money did go far.
Far out the country by all the non-black semi-working fertile immigrants in America who do collect and send money back home. This is such a big practice that many of you have no idea. I'm just keeping it real.
11:07 AM
you can't defend it, and didn't even try. your fallback is always to insult me. yawn, yawn, yawn.
maria,
The Snopes account of Obama's connection to islam is almost exactly equal to my comments.
As Snopes confirmed, Obama was immersed in a muslim culture in a nation that was 90% muslim in the years he lived in it.
Moreover, according to Obama himself, there was a Koran in his house and he apparently read from it. However, inasmuch as he (and Bill Ayers) wrote his own story, he shows he has no real insight or understanding of his Indonesian years.
Meanwhile, it's notable that his mother is presented as "Ann Dunham", rather than by her full and cruel name, "Stanley Ann Dunham."
She went as far as she could to get away from the father who so desperately wanted a son.
Johmny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue" was a joke song. But its lyrics most certainly captured the anger of Stanley Ann.
Oh Maria, I also forgot mention Middle Eastern/Arabian, European immigrants as well.
Knock yourself out, it's apparent how you would be amazed. Enjoy your cheese cake while you think the entire world revolves around St. Olaf...
Gawd Maria, you are such a slow boat to China.
Ok then, why don't you prove me wrong, go ahead.
And don't sit there squirming in your seat hoping for someone else to come along and do it for you either. I can wait.
LAA is cracking up, lol. You need to ease up on maria.
alicia u r a stupid idiotic uneducated rampant piece of shit bully and ur carpet licking bullshitter sockpuppet laa is the same u guys r lower than amoeba ya quasi human retards! have a horrible day and rest of week ya buceta breaf losers!
LAA is cracking me up with laughter i meant. This blog is funny today I like it when we can all agree to disagree.
gawd laa ure such a slow boat to rationality ya dumb animal! u make fun of maria then team up with buceta breaf but claim to hate bullies"? ya hypocritical lying sack of cat cunts!
gee buceta breaf ude think that someone who is supposedly as smart as u would figure out a better way to insult people ya fourth grade lying dropout!
why rnt u two elistist fuckwads not working today? all ure doing is harassing people online ya bleak living kuntniggers!
because english appears to be your second, or perhaps third language, let me break it down for you.
1, the conversation was about stimulus finds and where they were spent.
2. you said: 'Far out the country by all the non-black semi-working fertile immigrants in America who do collect and send money back home."
3. it is not news that immigrant send money back home.
4. immigrants did not get stimulus funds.
5. how you know what has gone in america in the 18 months since the stimulus act was passed is a mystery.
6. it was just a convenient hook for you to spew your hatred.
everyone saw it. and sees it more every day.
I think it's sad that, despite our progression as a nation, we're still at a stage where we even feel the need to ask the President what their religion is.
Religion and the separation of church and state has always been one topic of cognitive dissonance that "A-merry-ca" has struggled with since the beginning.
maria u r rite all those jerks do is take any piece of a news story and twist it to project their hatred of anybody who is nt exactly like them; butter mean ugly and foul from the soul on out!
laa:
maria really is a dingbat
she is not playing!!!
___
uts:
i see you are channeling ghandi as maria does mother theresa now...
u r a classic swirled amnesiac duo indeed
u r such a lying bitch uts
u r the king of personal spats
u simply ignore maria unless she is playing wounded angel to your retarded othello
and u and maria are as phony as hobama...shame!!!!
____
t:
thank you again u goofy bitch assed beta male for that classic femme lesbian beatdown u doled out to maria yesterday
kudos gurl!
_____
vdlr:
u r the cole of this blog
each post reminds the rest of us to be martin:
"vdlr...u stupid."
Maria
Good post
Sincerely,
OchoCinco...uh...Steve
"1, the conversation was about stimulus finds and where they were spent.
4. immigrants did not get stimulus funds.
So the stimulus money only went to bankers and car dealerships? LOL. Not even one social, rebate, welfare program where lots of immigrants who have strong ties to their homeland also benefitted from? And remember Maria, not all immigrants are "illegal".
any drunken hobama nazi who does not look at all the jobless homeless starving hopeless unchanged bs in amerikkka is truly blind and doomed!!!
http://www.blackenterprise.com/business/business-news/2010/01/08/black-unemployment-spikes-to-16/
uts:
ditto!!!
tiger (not vdlr's...woods)
ochocinco
oj
dennis rodman
all are clones of u
glad u know your name boy!
kudos!!!
"OchoCinco...uh...Steve"
Is that your IQ?
Maria, who do you think are the people in America carrying the weight and burden of these stimulus monies? The ultra rich? The welfare queens? The poor and very growing immigrant population? Nope. You are clearly on some sort of welfare program as to why you can't see what's really going on.
"glad u know your name boy!"
Okay Precious.
the blackish elitist hobama and his banksters are slaying all poor people
and poor black hobama nazis are being slain WORST
as all they can do is lie about imgainary racism and wear hobama tees...
shame!!!!
But there's a hidden housing crisis that gets little or no attention—the increasingly difficult struggle of millions of people to find affordable rental units, and to pay the rent once they do find someplace to live. Their numbers are only growing as the wave of foreclosures continues.
The unraveling of the housing market is having severe consequences for the economy as a whole, with no end in sight. Almost 3 million households were in foreclosure in 2009, a 21 percent increase over 2008. Another 3 million or more homes will be foreclosed on in 2010, as the unemployment crisis drags on, and people are simply unable to afford bloated and overpriced mortgage payments.
The so-called "loan modification" programs instituted by the Obama administration have largely failed to help. The banks have no incentive to lower monthly payments and have thus created multiple obstacles for the average homeowner to overcome to even find out if they qualify.
In late August, the administration unveiled yet another program that is supposed to save homeowners—by helping homeowners who are "under water" on their mortgages and the creation of an "emergency loan homeowners bank" to help the unemployed keep their homes.
The administration is playing a shell game with people's housing debt, shifting it around without actually getting rid of it—while the big banks continue to boast profits, thanks to the infusion of taxpayer funds from the Wall Street bailout.
The end result is that millions of people are losing their homes and becoming homeless or rejoining the ranks of the tens of millions of renters and tenants across the U.S.
But while the administration has made efforts—weak ones, but efforts nonetheless—to assist homeowners, the crisis in affordable rental housing and the lack of subsidies for those who need them goes largely ignored.
Only 4.5 million renters in this country receive some level of government subsidy. That's woefully inadequate considering the tens of millions of people who struggle to keep a roof over their heads.
And the crisis for renters will only get worse as unemployment and underemployment continue, alongside rising poverty rates.
uts:
all clones of you and your moms look like precious to self loathing black beta male mongrels like you...
but maria looks like god to u.
we get that!
laa:
they call maria's welfare program
"jungle fevered blind lust"
maria never met a black man who had no stimulus for her...hobama included
hey uts:
ask foreclosed/renters:
HOW IS THAT MONGREL MUTT HOBAMA BETTER THAN HIS KINDER GENTLER COUSIN KING SHRUB????
Rose... I mean Maria, all I was trying to say, was that everyone focuses on the big corporations, but they are not seeing how a particular type of lying deceitful immigrant population collect various benefits and milk various stimulus aided programs just so they can send most of their earned wages out of the American country. This does not "stimulate" the American economy. These particular groups go under radar because people think of immigrants as primarily being Latin and Black.
This is a link to online conference sponsered by 3 Civil Rights Workers on the topic are we post-racial yet? Here is the link for anyone who is interested in joining in on this discussion, which will is the first one of six meetings.
http://equityblog.org/2010/09/29/week-1-are-we-post-racial-yet/
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