Monday, July 27, 2015

Studying the " empirical reality of racism in the United States."

"It's all the same thing, man. People don't understand that songs like "Fuck that Police" are 400 years in the making. It's a constant racism that affects black people in this country that's never stopped." ~ Ice Cube!~

The Field Negro education series continues.

I think that the following article/interview from The New York Times is timely:

"This is the next installment in a series of interviews on race that I am conducting for The Stone. This week’s conversation is with Joe Feagin, a sociologist, and a leading researcher of racism in the United States for more than 40 years. He teaches at Texas A & M University and is the author of more than 60 books, including the forthcoming “How Blacks Built America: Labor, Culture, Freedom, and Democracy.”

George Yancy: To what extent does your work as a sociologist overlap or pertain to what we might concern ourselves with as philosophers?
 
Joe Feagin: I have been deeply concerned with issues of social and moral philosophy since college. I majored in philosophy as an undergraduate and then went to Harvard Divinity School, where I worked with philosopher-theologians in social ethics, European theology and comparative religions. I studied with Paul Tillich, Richard R. Niebuhr, Arthur Darby Nock and others. When I switched to doctoral work in sociology at Harvard, I studied with the theoreticians Talcott Parsons, George Homans, Robert Bellah, Charles Tilly and Gordon Allport. Allport and his young colleague Tom Pettigrew got me seriously interested in studying racial-ethnic theory in social science as well as the empirical reality of racism in the United States. During this decade (the 1960s) I was also greatly influenced by major African-American social analysts of racism, like W.E.B. Du Bois, Stokely Carmichael and Charles Hamilton. More recently, my work has been used by philosophers of race including Lewis Gordon, Charles Mills, Linda Alcoff, Tommy Curry — and yourself.
 
G. Y.: In your book “The White Racial Frame,” you argue for a new paradigm that will help to explain the nature of racism. What is that new paradigm and what does it reveal about race in America?
 
J.F.: To understand well the realities of American racism, one must adopt an analytical perspective focused on the what, why and who of the systemic white racism that is central and foundational to this society. Most mainstream social scientists dealing with racism issues have relied heavily on inadequate analytical concepts like prejudice, bias, stereotyping and intolerance. Such concepts are often useful, but were long ago crafted by white social scientists focusing on individual racial and ethnic issues, not on society’s systemic racism. To fully understand racism in the United States, one has to go to the centuries-old counter-system tradition of African-American analysts and other analysts of color who have done the most sustained and penetrating analyses of institutional and systemic racism.
 
G.Y.: So, are you suggesting that racial prejudices are only half the story? Does the question of the systemic nature of racism make white people complicit regardless of racial prejudices?
 
J.F.: Prejudice is much less than half the story. Because prejudice is only one part of the larger white racial frame that is central to rationalizing and maintaining systemic racism, one can be less racially prejudiced and still operate out of many other aspects of that dominant frame.That white racial frame includes not only racist prejudices and stereotypes of conventional analyses, but also racist ideologies, narratives, images and emotions, as well as individual and group inclinations to discriminate shaped by the other features. Additionally, all whites, no matter what their racial prejudices and other racial framings entail, benefit from many racial privileges routinely granted by this country’s major institutions to whites.
 
G.Y.: The N.A.A.C.P. called the murder of nine African-Americans in the historic Emanuel A.M.E. Baptist Church in Charleston, S.C., an “act of racial terrorism”? Do you think that definition is correct?
 
J.F.: According to media reports, the alleged murderer Dylann Roof has aggressively expressed numerous ideas, narratives, symbols and emotions from an openly white supremacist version of that old white racial frame. The N.A.A.C.P. terminology is justified, given that the oldest terrorist group still active on the planet is the Ku Klux Klan. We must also emphasize the larger societal context of recurring white supremacist actions, which implicates white Americans more generally. Mainstream media commentators and politicians have mostly missed the critical point that much serious anti-black and pro-white framing proclaimed by supremacist groups is still shared, publicly or privately, by many other whites. The latter include many whites horrified at what these white terrorist groups have recently done.
 
G.Y.: I realize that this question would take more space than we have here, but what specific insights about race can you share after four decades of research?
 
J.F.: Let me mention just two. First, I have learned much about how this country’s racial oppression became well institutionalized and thoroughly systemic over many generations, including how it has been rationalized and maintained for centuries by the broad white racist framing just mentioned. Another key insight is about how long this country’s timeline of racial oppression actually is. Most whites, and many others, do not understand that about 80 percent of this country’s four centuries have involved extreme racialized slavery and extreme Jim Crow legal segregation.
 
As a result, major racial inequalities have been deeply institutionalized over about 20 generations. One key feature of systemic racism is how it has been socially reproduced by individuals, groups and institutions for generations. Most whites think racial inequalities reflect differences they see as real — superior work ethic, greater intelligence, or other meritorious abilities of whites. Social science research is clear that white-black inequalities today are substantially the result of a majority of whites socially inheriting unjust enrichments (money, land, home equities, social capital, etc.) from numerous previous white generations — the majority of whom benefited from the racialized slavery system and/or the de jure (Jim Crow) and de facto overt racial oppression that followed slavery for nearly a century, indeed until the late 1960s.
 
G.Y.: What then are we to make of the concept of American meritocracy and the Horatio Alger narrative — the rags to riches narrative?
 
J.F.: These are often just convenient social fictions, not societal realities. For centuries they have been circulated to justify why whites as a group have superior socioeconomic and power positions in American society. In the white frame’s pro-white subframe whites are said to be the hardest-working and most meritorious group. Yet the sociologist Nancy DiTomaso has found in many interviews with whites that a substantial majority have used networks of white acquaintances, friends and family to find most jobs over their lifetimes. They have mostly avoided real market competition and secured good jobs using racially segregated networks, not just on their “merit.” Not one interviewee [out of approximately 150 to 200] expressed seeing anything wrong with their use of this widespread system of white favoritism, which involves “social capital” passed along numerous white generations.
 
G.Y.: Can we talk about race in America without inevitably talking about racism?
 
J.F.: No, we cannot. In its modern racialized sense the term “race” was created by white American and European analysts in the 17th and 18th centuries in order to explain how they, as “good Christians,” could so extensively and brutally oppress, initially, indigenous and African Americans. There was no well-developed American hierarchy of “races,” a key feature of systemic racism, before white Europeans and white Americans made that the societal reality in the Americas by means of the Atlantic slave trade and the genocidal theft of indigenous peoples’ lands. Whites were soon framed as the virtuous and “superior race,” while those oppressed were dehumanized as the “inferior races.” [More]
 
*Pic from poligrafi.com
 
 
 
 
 
 





97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wow. So much conventional wisdom packed into so little actual content.

Anonymous said...

Fuck the white man.

ctrl+halt+del said...


Great post!

Examples of Manifest Density in 5...4...3...2...1

Anonymous said...

You are right Field - America is no place for blacks.

Ray Ciss said...

"Most whites, and many others, do not understand that about 80 percent of this country’s four centuries have involved extreme racialized slavery and extreme Jim Crow legal segregation."

Yeah, the good 80%.

One thinks there must have been a reason for Jim Crow legal segregation.

Yesterday in Cleveland, a 14 year old black kid got drunk to the point of incapacitation and had to be taken off a bus by transit police, who planned to take him down to the station and then release him to a parent or guardian. Immediately, the cops were set upon by an angry mob of blacks who tried to pull the kid out of the car:

https://twitter.com/KentaviousPrime/status/625413808719306757/video/1

It is becoming increasingly apparent that blacks and whites cannot coexist in the same society.

That's what Jim Crow was for.

field negro said...

"It is becoming increasingly apparent that blacks and whites cannot coexist in the same society.

That's what Jim Crow was for."

And I take it you are posting from Serbia.

Ray Ciss said...

@Field Negro:

Isn't segregation what you want? Day after day you make posts that assert the irredeemable racist nature of white Americans and recite the litany of sins past and present that whites have committed. You have painted a bleak picture in which redemption and reconciliation seem to be impossible. From the black perspective, nothing ever improves and forgiveness can never be granted. What possible solution is there other than segregation?

Sheri Maple said...

Thanks, Field for posting that NY Times opinion article. I just skimmed the piece but need to re-read it and give it more thought. I'm in the middle of listening to the audiobook of "Between the World and Me" that touches on what's written in this piece. Thanks again. Have a good night inspite what may be written in the comments.

Anonymous said...

You don't understand, Field: WE DON'T CARE. We don't care about your painful legacies and your racial frames and your societal realities, and all those other Big Words Prof. Steinberger taught you at college. Your pain used to trouble us, but now it just bores us. Shoo. Go away.

We hate you. We've had enough of you. You ruin everything you touch. You're dangerous and stupid. It's time to send you back home ... to Africa!

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Cue moronic "Muh dik!" responses in 5,4,3,2 .....

Tim said...

Today's narrative promulgated by organs of the elite like the NYT just shifts vilification for social problems from one group, blacks, to another, poor whites. How anyone thinks this is the most remotely plausible solution to anything is a mystery, but it’s how society is organized. Somebody has to be the nigger.

Just a point in rebuttal to Joe Feagin- poor whites, the ones who have an affinity for the Confederate flag - don't have the power to discriminate against anyone. Elite whites, the one who do have the power to discriminate against anyone, save their vitriol for their less well-off cousins.

If you are a white person below a certain level, you just don’t count. You are tolerated for what you can do - drive a truck, fix something, make something - but the tolerance is thin and conditional. You are the problem, and the solution is something done to you, not for you. You can read about the latest thing that needs to be done to you every day in the NYT.

Everybody knows this. Some have to live with it.

PilotX said...

Excellent post but Ii think Ice Cube stated it more efficiently. 400 years of dehumanization will have an effect on all of us. Glad to see someone actually put it in an academic construct.

Anonymous said...

Fuck white people

Anonymous said...

"Fuck white people"

The motto of the BRA, today's "E Pluribus Unum". It'll be on the money in ten years.

Limpbaugh said...

Maybe I'm missing the point, but I always thought that all of the wealth having already been divided up before the slaves were freed has a lot to do with inequality, and if I were black I wouldn't be anxious to work my ass off to make some white man rich.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Sheri Maple said...
Thanks, Field for posting that NY Times opinion article. I just skimmed the piece but need to re-read it and give it more thought. I'm in the middle of listening to the audiobook of "Between the World and Me" that touches on what's written in this piece. Thanks again. Have a good night inspite what may be written in the comments.

11:01 PM
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You might try reading Ta-Nehisi's book instead of audio. However, if you are a weak reader, or don't read at all, then by all means, use the audio.

FYI, Between the World and Me touches on much more than this post. It's not even close.

Anonymous said...

anon, Ta-Nehisi Coates new book, "Between The World And Me" is not for Negroes on FN, it is for Blacks on esteemed intellectual blogs such as Root. FN is for the mindless name-calling folks who live their lives without thinking.

PC, Yisheng and PX and others on FN are not very deep readers who can comprehend Coates' writings.

Speaking of good writers, has anyone heard from FP?

Queen Yisheng said...

@2:26, I know where FP is, just squeeze a little harder the next time you're on the toilet, and the rest of her head will fall out of your ass.

Queen Yisheng said...

And how can ANYONE with a name like audio books comment on another person's reading ability?

Such a COWARD continuing to hide behind "assnon". You couldn't "hide" that thirsty ass fro of yours behind 10 foot wide tree.

Hattie said...

Wow, this is so discouraging. It seems that for a lot of whites racism is so integral to their natures that they can't ever give it up.

Anonymous said...

Well, Hattie, if you define "not giving Blacks a free pass for dysfunctionality, criminality, and outright evil (like King Samir Shabazz' call to kill White babies)" as "racism", yes, lots of White people are "racist" and frankly all of them should be.  Including you.  That's because the word is bullshit.

The whole point of Jim Crow was to keep Blacks from inflicting their criminality and other social dysfunctions onto Whites; in other words, preserving civilization against corrosive influences.  Where those restraints have been lifted through e.g. "civil rights" (or "decolonization" in Africa), civilization has decayed and collapsed.  The critics predicted this accurately.

Since 1965, Blacks have received a host of advantages.  It's worthwhile to compare Blacks with other people who also emerged from their misfortunes with nothing:  the Vietnamese boat people.  They arrived later than Blacks and did not receive any preferences, yet they built wealth and communities out of nothing.  Meanwhile, wealth decays and is destroyed in Black cities like Detroit and the "community" flees the destruction it has wrought (to destroy somewhere else).

It's not "racism".  It's not Whites.  It's Blacks, and always has been.

field negro said...

One day poor uneducated whites will wake up and realize that the joke was on them.

Average year round temp in Mandeville, Jamaica is wonderful: Low humidity, nice breeze from the mountains....

My fellow field Negroes, u are welcome to visit when I start living there year round. :)

Anonymous said...

It wasn't long ago that Jamaica had the highest murder rate of any country in the world.

You're welcome to it, Field.

The Purple Cow said...

Quote:Butcher

”Purple Cow, who created the cash-valuation of Africans-in-America? It was a Black man named Anthony Johnson who sued to be declared the owner of another Black man named John Casor.”

Slaves had been working in Virginia as slaves for 35 years before Johnson enslaved Castor. African slaves had been working in the Caribbean since 1562. 4.9 million slaves were taken from Africa to Brazil starting in 1530.

So as usual, you are making this shit up as you go along.

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”Slavery is an African tradition that came from Africa and still lives in Africa. I've read that even at the twilight of slavery in the South, the largest owner of slaves in North Carolina as recorded in the 1860 census was Black!”

I’m guessing you are talking about Ellison - he held 63 slaves in 1860. Colonel Joshua John Ward of Georgetown, South Carolina held 1,130 slaves. To be in the top 20 slave holders Ellison would have had to have held more than 400 slaves.

So as usual, you are making this shit up as you go along.

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”In other words, had it not been for the African love of slavery (to the point of demanding that the institution be copied in the new territory of Virginia) there would have been no slaves in the South to be valued as property.”

Nonsense, throughout recorded history there has always been slavery in Europe, the Roman empire was built on slavery. Europeans went from enslaving each other to enslaving Africans In the 15th century when Portuguese travelers first reached Africa and started to kidnap Africans and bring them back to Europe. By 1502 10% of Lisbon’s population was black. It was this trade in the 14th century that lead to the concept of racism. It was developed in the 14th and 15th centuries as a retroactive justification for slavery. The Romans and Greeks had no concept of racism.

So as usual, you are making this shit up as you go along.



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” Do you disavow the racist statements of Malik Shabazz and Louis Farrakahn? Do you disavow the notion that Whites are devils, the permanent enemy of Black people? When Shabazz says "you need to kill some White people, you need to kill dey babies", do you condemn him? Where are your statements on record? No record? I guess you're not just a racist, but a high risk to become a racist murderer because you won't disavow the hate-speech of certain Black men.”

I ‘disavow’ all hate speech. Unlike you, I am not a racist. My record in fighting all racism stands up against anyones.


So as usual, you are making this shit up as you go along.

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Hogwash. Poor Whites in West Virginia are far less criminally-inclined than much wealthier Blacks. The Great Depression was not marked by a massive White crime wave. The claim is provably false.”

And yet you haven’t bothered to disprove it…

Son, let me explain how this debating thing works.

You can’t just say ‘horseshit’ or whatever expletive-du-jour is common on your trailer park today, when dealing with other peoples’ arguments.

Here is a well researched statistical study that uses regression analysis to show the relationship between crime, and poverty. It makes a pretty overwhelming case to demonstrate how pverty causes crime.

http://economics.fundamentalfinance.com/povertycrime.php

That’s how this whole debating thing works see? Evidence-based. (So not some shit you copied and pasted from ‘Stormfront’.)

So as usual, you are making this shit up as you go along.


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The Purple Cow said...

”Haiti was the wealthiest part of the New World until the slave revolt of 1804.”

So you are saying that enslaving people, making them work 16 hours a day for you seven days a week, is a way to get rich??

Well fuck-me-sideways there’s a revelation!

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Black rule of the island with the biggest wealth-producing potential of the region turned it into a shithole.”

What destroyed the Haitian economy was a combination of the FFr 150 million per year reparation payments that the French government insisted on (in exchange for not re-invading the island) and the German Gunboat diplomacy of ‘the Luders affair’ which destabilized the Haitian government.

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Unless you are claiming that the governments of Haiti and Liberia are capitalist (big-man rule by "Papa Doc" Duvailer was capitalist?) you just blew your argument.

Papa Doc certainly was a capitalist, and was a close personal friend of Cuban despot Batista. He hated Castro, and was seen as a bulwark against Communism by successive American administrations.

So as usual you are making this shit up as you go along.

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Your last couple of points are so stupid I don’t even know how to respond to them, given that I can’t work out what you are trying to say.

Kinky_Con said...

Bless they little hearts. These are trying times for blahs on the Democrat plantation. Blahs are upset because whitey don't be more understanding about how oppressed and victimized blahs are.


Will blahs revolt? Will there be a blah revolution? Will blahs leave America and form they own thang?

Or will blahs continue to piss and moan and vote overwhelming for they oppressors?

Kinky_Con said...

"Yet the sociologist Nancy DiTomaso has found in many interviews with whites that a substantial majority have used networks of white acquaintances, friends and family to find most jobs over their lifetimes. They have mostly avoided real market competition and secured good jobs using racially segregated networks, not just on their “merit.""


HA!!Blahs just be upset cause they #blackprivilege ain't getting them in the white network? Bless they little hearts.


Blahs, Hispanics and Asians also use acquaintances, friends and family to find jobs. They also have affirmative action, racial set asides and special government rules that help them avoided real market competition and makes it easier for them to secured good jobs and contracts using they race, not just on their “merit." In fact, blah rarely get jobs or government contracts based on merit.


Of course blahs don't be wanting to talk about all that.





uptownsteve said...

Kinky Con

I just came from a company where a 25 year old white boy was promoted to Director because he blew a couple of the VPs.

Hell even white gays have white priviledge.

uptownsteve said...

Kinky Con

It seems to me that it is the trailerpark goobs like you who are most worried. That's T-Rump is leading in the GOP polls and Pat 'Pitchfork" Buchanan is being resurrected in the media.

Ya'll are looking for somebody to convince you that the world will collapse without your steely eyed, firm leadership.

While you're pumping up the tires on your house.

meritocracy said...

uptown must not have sucked dick as good...

Anonymous said...

Limpbaugh said...
"Maybe I'm missing the point, but I always thought that all of the wealth having already been divided up before the slaves were freed"

As usual, you have, as the vast majority of the wealth in America has been created since the Civil War.

Anonymous said...

Hattie said...
Wow, this is so discouraging. It seems that for a lot of whites racism is so integral to their natures that they can't ever give it up.
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So tell us, white woman, why do YOU cling so hard to your white privilege?

Anonymous said...

fraud negro said...
"My fellow field Negroes, u are welcome to visit when I start living there year round. :)"


So that's the plan - help fuck things up in America and then take the money and run to Jamaica.

What a guy.

Queen Yisheng said...

I've seen that gay "network" work very well, especially for Gookeymoos with 'soft" degrees.

Anonymous said...

"Wow, this is so discouraging. It seems that for a lot of whites racism is so integral to their natures that they can't ever give it up."

What does this mean?

Is racism some kind of genetic disorder unique to whites?

What benefits do any whites accrue from "not giving up" racism?

'Racism' is the official Worst Thing In The World. Anyone labelled as 'racist' is ostracized from polite society and has their career destroyed.

Since any white who expresses 'racist' sentiments is marginalized, who the fuck are you talking about? How does some loser in his trailer having a confederate flag sticker hold you down?

Bill said...


field negro said...
One day poor uneducated whites will wake up and realize that the joke was on them.


The joke called white privilege?

Bill said...


Harlem Principal Said She Forged Test Answers, Education Dept. Says
On April 17, the same day that someone made a complaint about the cheating, the principal, Jeanene Worrell-Breeden, of Teachers College Community School, jumped in front of a subway train. She died on April 25.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/nyregion/harlem-principal-said-she-forged-test-answers-education-dept-says.html

No doubt if teacher unions were the right-wing's #1 cash cow, dumbocrats would be demanding better results for the education of Black children.

As it is, the biggest all-time donors to the dumbocrat party are failing to educate Black children without repercussions.

Bill said...


uptownsteve said...
I just came from a company where a 25 year old white boy was promoted to Director because he blew a couple of the VPs.


Are you are not willing to do what white people do to move up the ladder.

Bill said...


field negro said...
Average year round temp in Mandeville, Jamaica


Never heard of the place so I googled.

Wow, a lot of new construction of gated communities.

Who do the rich people want to keep out?

VP of Meat said...

"Are you are not willing to do what white people do to move up the ladder."

He was, but he gagged too much.

uptownsteve said...

Bill and Meat VP

I see you two are well versed in the workings of corporate America.

Slurp, slurp.

PilotX said...

Good points PC.
To anon, don't be so rough on audio books. I've heard from people I fly with that they are very addictive. One guy missed his turn off going home because they got so into the story. I guess it's one of those don't knock it until you try it things.

Admiral Applebobber said...

You'd think those years in the Coast Guard would have prepared you better for corporate life. Keep working at it Uptown, you'll get that promotion some day.

field negro said...

Actually Bill, I grew up in Mandevillle. So there is that.

Just trying to spend my golden years in the place.of my youth. :)

Uptown, nice to see u back slapping the trolls around.

Anonymous said...

field negro said...
Average year round temp in Mandeville, Jamaica

Never heard of the place so I googled.

Wow, a lot of new construction of gated communities.

Who do the rich people want to keep out?

1:04 PM
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Those rich people are rich racist Whites from America. They put the gates up to keep those black Jamaicans out! You should know this....it's a universal theme with Whites in America. Succintly, Whites bring the evil diseased disorder of racism wherever they go....you should know this.

Kinky_Con said...
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Kinky_Con said...

"The victim stance is a powerful one. The victim is always morally right, neither responsible nor accountable, and forever entitled to sympathy."-Ofer Zur, Ph.D.


Replace victim with blah. In the minds of blah and white libprogs, they are one in the same.

Kinky_Con said...

Why is it the blah males on this site love talking about white penis or gay sex involving white males?

Me thinks there are a lot of down low bros on this site.

Anonymous said...

"The victim is always morally right, neither responsible nor accountable"

i.e. Victims have no moral agency. Blacks are but props in a war between two groups of white people. Black victimhood is the fuel of progressivisim, thus it must be constantly nurtured and fanned to propel the liberal agenda. White racism is an exceedingly rare and valuable commodity, thus the vast mining operations (e.g. white privilege) in place to gather up the tiniest scraps.

Desperate Impact said...

Good news for the academically challenged like Yisheng. George Washington University will no longer require minorities to take the SAT or ACT to get in. Seems like those tests are racist and get in the way of enforcing anti-racist admissions quotas.

"GWU administrators say they always seek well-rounded (a.k.a. black) applicants by looking beyond test scores. But they have worried lately that anxiety about scores was leading some students to cross the school of their list."

Worried your poor aptitude will hinder your prospects to attend a prestigious private university? Worry no more! We'll just stop pretending entirely to use any kind of merit-based process and take any black or even slightly black student we can get our hands on!

God Bless the BRA!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/07/27/george-washington-university-applicants-no-longer-need-to-take-admissions-tests/

Anonymous said...

I recall back when the Americans with Disabilities Act was being debated it was postulated that the mentally retarded could sue for admission to our elite universities or claim discrimination in employment if they were not hired because of their mental disability. Now, I suppose, we could add disparate impact as grounds for challenging employer requirements that applicants possess academic degrees, certifications or licenses.

The possibilities are endless! Thanks Supreme Court!

Anonymous said...

I once worked at a company where a black girl was promoted over more qualified whites because she was black.

Black Privilege said...

Desperate Impact said...

Good news for the academically challenged like Yisheng. George Washington University will no longer require minorities to take the SAT or ACT to get in. Seems like those tests are racist and get in the way of enforcing anti-racist admissions quotas.



Is it fair to keep blacks like yisheng out of WashU because of their intellectual disabilities?


uptownsteve said...

Field Negro

Thanks for the welcome back. Are you a judge now?

Sheri Maple said...

Anon 1:16 am

I guess that your parents didn't participate in your upbringing because that's just rude. There's nothing wrong with listening to audiobooks. I work in the city and commute, so listening to audiobooks on the train reduces the background noise or while I'm knitting or sewing. Another point, should you listen to Coates reads his words; you realize how writing great it sounds to the read. He talked about how wrote it for the eat during an interview with the New Yorker. I tend the book the as well because it's a different experience. Reading or listening isn't weaker or stronger just different.

Anonymous said...

@Sheri Maple:

It's okay if you can't read. No one is here to judge, except maybe Yisheng or PilotX.

uptownsteve said...

"Good news for the academically challenged like Yisheng. George Washington University will no longer require minorities to take the SAT or ACT to get in."

But you still have to do the work to graduate.

Did you even attend college?

Dewey 'Pigmeat' Markham said...

uptownsteve said...
Field Negro

Thanks for the welcome back. Are you a judge now?
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No, but he has a "Here comes da judge" bathrobe he wears around the house.

field negro said...

Uptown, e-mail me: fnblg@yahoo.com

Desperate Impact said...

uptownsteve said...

"But you still have to do the work to graduate."

No, any disparity in black/white graduation rates violates the concept of disparate impact, regardless of why, including oppressive white patriarchal concepts like judging how hard someone works.

Loretta Lynch is one the case right now!

field negro said...

The hateration is strong with these white males. Thank u for the Internet.
Without it they would be shooting up public spaces instead of venting as anonymous trolls. :)

Magic Hate Ball said...

The truth, it burns

Anonymous said...

Hey field, what's your opinion regarding the legal concept of "disparate impact"?

Anonymous said...

I see my original text has been censored, now existing only in Purple Cow's quotes.  Shame on you for being allergic to the truth, Field.

Part 1 of 2 again.

Slaves had been working in Virginia as slaves for 35 years before Johnson enslaved Castor.

They were indentured servants working off their cost of passage, NOT chattel slaves.  Johnson himself had worked off his indenture and become a landowner.  It wasn't until he won his suit that chattel-slavery-for-life existed in the English colonies.

African slaves had been working in the Caribbean since 1562.

Spanish colonies, not English.

4.9 million slaves were taken from Africa to Brazil starting in 1530.

Portuguese, not English.  And those Portuguese were mostly "marranos".  For that matter, most of the traders who sold to the English colonies were marranos also.  You should see just who is proud of getting wealthy from that trade (hint, they weren't descended from Englishmen).

as usual, you are making this shit up as you go along.

Yeah, hypocrite.  I cite sources, you don't.  Your routine is "someone in my past was a slave, so PAY ME".  You are a one-trick pony.

I’m guessing you are talking about Ellison - he held 63 slaves in 1860.

As I said, I read that.  I didn't say I could vouch for the claim.  Now I have a name that I didn't have before.  I did dig up this essay on Black slave owners which shows that more than 1/4 of the free Blacks in New Orleans owned other Africans, among other damning figures.  Are you descended from slave owners, PC?  Have you decided how you are going to pay reparations?

you are making this shit up as you go along.

Wrong.  I read an erroneous claim.  Now I have better references, if not fully authoritative (I know what to look for in the 1860 census now).

throughout recorded history there has always been slavery in Europe, the Roman empire was built on slavery.

Slavery was world-wide, you mean.  Arabs were and are still slave-traders in Black slaves (see the case of Simon Deng).

Portuguese travelers first reached Africa and started to kidnap Africans and bring them back to Europe.

Wrong.  The Portuguese bought slaves from the African tribes who captured them, sold them and in many cases, ate them.  All the "kidnapping" was done by Africans.  Go whine to them and demand reparations.

I ‘disavow’ all hate speech. Unlike you, I am not a racist.

You demand things from me based on my race.  I want nothing from you.  I only want to be left alone.

Anonymous said...

Part 2 of 2.

you haven’t bothered to disprove it…

I've cited reams more evidence than you have, hypocrite.

Here is a well researched statistical study that uses regression analysis to show the relationship between crime, and poverty.

Correlation does not prove causation.  Quoting from your reference, the politics of the authors is conclusively proven by this phrase:

"Crime offers a way in which impoverished people can obtain material goods that they cannot attain through legitimate means."

Crime destroys people's wealth, and they either move away from criminals to save what they have or they lose it to theft and destruction.  Crime creates poverty.  The reverse is false; both the Great Depression and the 2008 crash were associated with drops in crime.

All you want to do is blame Whitey for Black criminality, so you can shrug off any responsibility for it and demand more gibs.

you are making this shit up as you go along.

Projection.  You're a hypocrite and a liar, but that's par for the course.  Rubbing your nose in it is fun, and instructive to the uninitiated.

you are saying that enslaving people, making them work 16 hours a day for you seven days a week, is a way to get rich??

I'm saying that if the Haitians wanted to be rich, all they had to do was keep doing for themselves what they'd been doing for the French.  They were too stupid to figure it out.

What destroyed the Haitian economy was a combination of the FFr 150 million per year reparation payments that the French government insisted on (in exchange for not re-invading the island)

So the Africans in Haiti were pussies and didn't just tell the French to bring it (where they could fight on their own territory), whereas the fledgeling USA built a navy and the Marine Corps to go to the north coast of Africa and beat the Arabs badly enough to stop them from raiding US shipping and taking Americans for slaves.  Yup, sounds right.

Anonymous said...

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Bill said...


field negro said...

Actually Bill, I grew up in Mandevillle. So there is that.


No doubt a lovely place. I own property almost directly qwest of Jamaica.

I hope you invitation to visit also applies to your white friends.... like me.

Queen Yisheng said...

As an Alumna of Georgetown University, I think it's great that whooteemoos can now attend a school with the name "George" in the title. Still gotta come up with that 50K tuition though and that's a LOT of ho'ing to increase meth "sales".

But let's be clear, GWU isn't on the same level as Georgetown University and never will be.

Hoya Saxa!!!!!

Queen Yisheng said...

The hateration is strong with these white males. Thank u for the Internet.
>>>>>>>>

Yes it is because if ANY of them had "prestigious" careers or had graduated from a prestigious college or university, we'd have known about it a LONG time ago.

All the male whooteemoos do is whine and complain about affirmative action when the truth is they simply couldn't cut it!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Queen Yisheng said...

As an Alumna of Georgetown University, I think it's great that whooteemoos can now attend a school with the name "George" in the title. Still gotta come up with that 50K tuition though and that's a LOT of ho'ing to increase meth "sales".

But let's be clear, GWU isn't on the same level as Georgetown University and never will be.

Hoya Saxa!!!!!

This is supposedly an educated Negress. No wonder why every city with a black population of over 8% is a pure shithole.

Standards are racist said...

Quenishena said...
"Still gotta come up with that 50K tuition though"

Unless of course you are black.

#BlackPrivilege

Dr. King Einstein, MD, PhD, Summa cum laude, Harvard Class of '82, CEO of Google said...

Queen Fishbag said...
"Yes it is because if ANY of them had "prestigious" careers or had graduated from a prestigious college or university, we'd have known about it a LONG time ago."

Because internet bragging is where is at.

The Purple Cow said...

"As I said, I read that. I didn't say I could vouch for the claim."

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha, ha!

So just to be clear, this moron is not 'makings shit up' as we might think. He's just repeating shit that he's read somewhere (but he can't remember where,) that may or may not be true - he doesn't know for sure.

Priceless - totally fucking priceless.

**
"All the "kidnapping" was done by Africans."

Evidence please...

Do I have to explain again what 'evidence ' is???)

**
"Spanish colonies, not English."

So what?

**
"Yeah, hypocrite. I cite sources, you don't."

Where? When?

**
"They were indentured servants working off their cost of passage, NOT chattel slaves. "

Wrong again numbskull. The first slaves in Jamestown were brought by a Dutch ship that had captured them from a Spanish slaver. For a member of the alleged 'master race' it's astonishing how much more a mere untermensch like me knows about YOUR history than you.

**

"Your routine is "someone in my past was a slave, so PAY ME"."

Never in my life have I said any such thing. Never in my life have I said anything that could even be construed as saying that by anyone with a functioning brain.

Racism is class warfare fought by other means. Slavery was class warfare fought by other means. Slavery provided the seed capital for modern capitalism. Capitalism is the enemy. Racism and slavery are simply by-products, necessary for capitalism to function.

**

"You demand things from me based on my race."

Wrong again, little man.

You have nothing I want. I am smarter than you, I am better looking than you, and I am wealthier than you.

**

" I want nothing from you. I only want to be left alone."

You only want to be left alone huh.

So how do you explain the fact that you come here every single day to talk out of your fat, wobbly ass?

A very strange thing to do for someone who allegedly "only wants to be left alone" n'est-ce pas ?

Typical white boy said...

Oooooh, wah wah wah. Me and my fellow whites can't treat blacks as less than human. My butt doth hurt.

wah wah wah. Whites aren't viewed as gods. wah wah wah

The Purple Cow said...

"Correlation does not prove causation. Quoting from your reference, the politics of the authors is conclusively proven by this phrase:

"Crime offers a way in which impoverished people can obtain material goods that they cannot attain through legitimate means."


So you are saying crime does not offer a way for people to buy things they can;t afford?

**
"I'm saying that if the Haitians wanted to be rich, all they had to do was keep doing for themselves what they'd been doing for the French. They were too stupid to figure it out."

Here's the thing genius, they would have to pay people to work, because he people were not slaves any more, and that would depress profits a tad.

Doncha think?

**

"So the Africans in Haiti were pussies and didn't just tell the French to bring it (where they could fight on their own territory), whereas the fledgeling USA built a navy and the Marine Corps to go to the north coast of Africa and beat the Arabs badly enough to stop them from raiding US shipping and taking Americans for slaves. "

...but then the Algierians broke the treaty and had to be brought back in line by the British a few years later.

there, fixed it for you...

B.T.W.

Population of the USA in 1815 = 8.3 million

Population of Haiti in 1815 = 400,000

The Purple Cow said...

Forgot to mention that there were no reliable crime statistics in the USA for the period round the great depression.

Queen Yisheng said...

Awww poor angry little male whooteemoos with nothing noteworthy in thier lives to talk about.

I just LOVE bragging about being a GEORGETOWN ALUMNA because it burns your little whooteemoo feelings that a Black woman graduated from a university you could NEVER get accepted to!


Bawhahahaha!!

Anonymous said...

"I just LOVE bragging about being a GEORGETOWN ALUMNA"

No one could know whether or not you actually went to any college based on any claims you might make here.

But you know, I know, and everyone who has read your comments knows that based on merit, you would never be admitted to any top tier institution. There is no way someone who writes as poorly as you do, who consistently exhibits a lack of critical thinking skills and self-mastery, could function among the intellectual elite.

Bawhahahaha indeed.

field negro said...

Wow, PC drops the mic.

Yes Bill, u will be welcome as well. But please, no Obama talk.

Mr. Lee said...

just like smart Asians love having our coffee brought to us by an georgetown alumna.

White male said...

"I once worked at a company where a black girl was promoted over more qualified whites because she was black."

Yep, and I bet the qualified whites had PhD's, had IQ's over 1,000 and smelled good too while the sista couldn't even spell her name right? This is the longest running myth this side of the Loch Ness but it never seems to get old in white racist circles. Dear god Field you need some troll repellent.

Trailer Trash detector said...

just like smart Asians love having our coffee brought to us by an georgetown alumna.
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And poor white trash love being anally screwed to help pay for their meth addictions.

Queen Yisheng said...

Female whooteemoo join your male counterparts, UNITE in under achievement compared to the Black and Brown professionals that post here on a daily basis. Pass the "meth pipe" in peace knowing that catching spelling errors is the absolute best you can do.

Yeeeeeeee-haaaaawwww, now bravely wave your confederate flag!!!

Anonymous said...

Blogger field negro said...
Wow, PC drops the mic.

Yes Bill, u will be welcome as well. But please, no Obama talk.

8:36 PM
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Brother Field, what about me, the brother you claim is not Black? I'd like nothing better than to show up at your doorstep and prove you wrong.

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Anonymous said...

good they can take a break from shooting and killing each other.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Queen Yisheng said...
Female whooteemoo join your male counterparts, UNITE in under achievement compared to the Black and Brown professionals

Yingyang always groups herself with successful blacks, yet has accomplished nothing herself.

Trailer Trash said...

good they can take a break from shooting and killing each other.
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and you can take a break from smoking meth and screwing your mother.

PilotX said...

"good they can take a break from shooting and killing each other."

Nah, these are good kids who are smart and just want to fly planes. I know I know, you must abuse and denigrate blah people, it's the way trolls roll. We're used to it.

Queen Yisheng said...

PX don't forget that there's not a whooteemoo smart enough to fly a plane, so there's the jealousy angle.

PilotX said...

Yeah but damn Queen, can they take a break from the hate just one day? Jeez, you'd think the master race would have something better to do than denigrate people on a web site. Sad is what it is.

Queen Yisheng said...

These whooteemoos are related to people who justified slavery, exterminated Jews, and built snd dropped the atomic bomb.

Hate is in thier DNA, those few who overcome it are double mutants.

PilotX said...

Same comments we would have gotten in the 50's.

Anonymous said...

Poor negroes don't have no atomic bombs and have hack each other up with machetes. They still got slabery, though.

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"Racism is class warfare fought by other means. Slavery was class warfare fought by other means. Slavery provided the seed capital for modern capitalism. Capitalism is the enemy. Racism and slavery are simply by-products, necessary for capitalism to function."

In a nutshell. So simple, and yet so denied by so many.

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