Wednesday, March 09, 2016

"Descending into "Barbarism".

Image result for trump image           I have a trial tomorrow, so I don't have time to drop a post. Instead, I will leave you with a cut and paste job of William Saletan's writing which was done for Slate magazine.

 "How does an enlightened nation descend into barbarism? That used to be a question for historians. Now it’s a process you can watch in real time. In recent days, Donald Trump has been casting aside moral constraints on torture and violence against civilians. At his campaign rallies, crowds have cheered him on. What kind of country would the United States become if Trump and his followers get their way? Just listen as Trump spells it out for you.

1. Torture. Since November, Trump has said he would approve not just waterboarding, but “a hell of a lot worse.” That’s a change from George W. Bush’s administration, which justified waterboarding on the grounds that it wasn’t torture. Trump dismisses the taboo against torture altogether. “Let’s assume it is” torture, he said of waterboarding at a campaign event in South Carolina on Feb. 17. It’s still “absolutely fine,” he concluded, and “we should go much stronger.”
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2. Retribution. Other Republicans, such as Sens. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, argue that brutal interrogation methods are justified only to prevent an attack. Trump rejects that constraint. On Nov. 23, he told a crowd in Ohio that waterboarding extracts useful information from terrorists, but that even if it didn’t, he would approve it, and “more than that,” because “if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway

3. Collective punishment. In a Trump administration, you don’t have to be a terrorist to be targeted for retaliation. You just have to be related to one. On Dec. 3, Trump said of terrorists, “You have to take out their families.” When Fox News host Bill O’Reilly asked Trump to explain himself, Trump replied, falsely, that wives and children of the 9/11 hijackers had been sent home before the attack to “watch Daddy tonight on television knock down the World Trade Center.” He continued: “There has to be retribution. And if there is not going to be retribution, you are never going to stop terrorism.”

4. Hostage taking. Trump says he would target terrorists’ family members because they’re the
people terrorists care about. On Dec. 6, he said on Face the Nation that although terrorists “say they don’t mind dying ... I can tell you this: They want their families left alone.” At a Republican debate on Dec. 15, he added: “I would be very, very firm with families. Frankly, that will make people think, because they may not care much about their lives, but they do care, believe it or not, about their families’ lives.” The audience applauded. The next day, Trump repeated that terrorists “care more about their families than they care about themselves” and that he “would do pretty severe stuff” to a terrorist’s wife. The crowd roared its approval.
 
5. Religious war. Trump routinely demands payback against ISIS for killing Christians. “The enemy is cutting off the heads of Christians and drowning them in cages, and yet we are too politically correct to respond in kind,” he wrote in a USA Today op-ed on Feb. 15. Often, Trump mentions that ISIS kills other people, too. But the only victim group he identifies by name is Christians.
 
6. Weakness. If you don’t accept torture or targeting civilians, Trump says you’re soft. In the Dec. 15 debate, Jeb Bush said these ideas were “crazy.” Trump replied that Bush was “a very nice person. But we need tough people.” In another debate on Feb. 6, Cruz rejected torture and waterboarding. Trump called Cruz’s answer “really weak.” At a rally in New Hampshire on Feb. 8, Trump gleefully told the crowd what a woman in the audience was calling Cruz for his answer: “She said he’s a pussy.” [Source]

*Pic from slate.com


 

 

54 comments:

Progressive Meltdown said...

Hysteria alert! Trump is the worst thing ever! Worse than Hitler!

Hillary! said...

Thank you Mr. Field Negro for reminding everyone that I am good and moral and that anyone who opposes me is evil and barbaric.

Daniel José Older said...

Since when did blacks start caring about anyone who wasn't black? Issues only become relevant to you people if it directly affects blacks. Any other people? Fuck 'em. They ain't black means they ain't worth shit. Your narcissism is appalling.

Anonymous said...

Hey Field. Tay-Tay here. Ooh, Lord, this Trump man scare me! What he gonna do about us brothers who love brothers? Is he gonna round us all up and put us in ovens or somethin? I'm votin for my girl Hillary. She love Black People!

Call me, Honey. I know you at work, but I worry about you. We goin somewhere special this weekend. The Tunnel of Love .... ;)

Love And Chocolate Kisses XOXOXOXO

Tay

Anonymous said...

You're absolutely right, Field. We should go easy on Islamic murdering scum. It wouldn't be right to deal too harshly with the men who have raped and murdered hundreds of thousands of Christians in the Middle East. We should just sit down and have a dialogue with them. That always works.

And I'm sure when we have millions of them over here that they will treat African-Americans with the utmost dignity and respect. Everybody knows Arabs just LOVE black people.

Anonymous said...

The Mongol invasions of Europe are why white people couldn't create a thriving civilization of their own and now must migrate to Ulan Bator.

The Trumpening said...

Strong borders. Respect other countries. No more neocon wars.

Trump '16!

Anonymous said...

It's always darkest before The Don ...

:D

The Ministry of Truth said...

Hitlertrump is infuriated to learn that the Constitution forbids him from getting rid of all the Muslims.

F*cking Founding Fathers ...

The Purple Cow said...
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The Purple Cow said...

Quote Anonymous Numbnuts

"Why can't black people, even half black people, understand statistics?"

Oh I do, I do, as indeed does my brother who is a Professor of Statistics. Let us ask him if he understands statistics, shall we?

Perhaps it's time for you to ratchet down your personal arrogance a touch?

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"You obviously don't know what "correlation" means."


I do, but I'm not entirely convinced that you do.

Correlation is the relationship between two variables - two variables from the same source -

However, this is not really relevant to the argument I was making.

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"He won 28% of African American votes"

Wow, a whole 28%. You don't say."



Indeed, I don't say, the final tally was 30%

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"What's 28% of the 14% of the vote that is AA? I'll help you, it's 4%. The black vote that went to Bernie accounted for 4% of the voting pool."

4.26% actually. How is this figure in any way relevant to the argument I was making?

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"Bernie consistently does well in states where the AA percentage of the population is near or below the US average (13%)."

Yes I know, again this is irrelevant to the point I was making. Like most fascists you seem to have a problem with basic English comprehension skills.

The point I was making (yet again) is that Sanders did significantly better among African American voters in Michigan than he had in Southern States. So POSSIBLY this MIGHT be a significant issue for the Clinton campaign in the upcoming votes in places like Illinois and Ohio which are not in the South last time I looked, and have similar demographics to Michigan.

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"And Bernie did well well with the Muslim vote because Hillary is so keen on bombing Muslim countries."

That may well be part of it, I'm not sure, but your ability to miss the point of every argument is staggering.

Anonymous said...

to 1:12 MoT

Loved your humor there! So clever, but alas so true.

Anonymous said...

to 5:18

I think you jumped posts, because this was originally on the thread for day before...

I agree that Michigan's numbers show a different pattern, and one HRC needs to be very concerned about. In fact, if you do a yahoo search there are multiple articles out there to that effect and how this was a very significant win for Bernie far beyond the 2% lead. One underlying variable, for all genders/races in MI, is the economic hardship with loss of manufacturing jobs post NAFTA. Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois will be similar in my view.

I posted these numbers on other thread, about how HRC's numbers were much lower in MI than in the south.

"Wayne County, which includes the city of Detroit, is about 40 percent black. Clinton won about 60 percent of the vote there."...."In earlier primaries, she won 71 percent of the vote in Fulton County (Atlanta), 82 percent in Jefferson County (Birmingham, Alabama), 80 percent in Shelby County (Memphis). "

Statewide, 30% of black women voted for Bernie in Michigan, per exit polls.

from
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/dip-black-vote-clinton-raises-questions-future-contests-n535011

Also, very interesting that Chicago Tribune would not endorse HRC and wrote strong opinion piece about the "FBI primary". Her home territory, having grown up in western suburb (Oak Park?) not supporting her, is concerning.

Anonymous said...

How did cities with majority blah populations descend into barbarism?

Can't blame Trump for that.

Slate? HA!

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The Purple Cow said...

Is that idiot Kersey still working? I thought he would be locked away in a padded cell by now.

What a goofball that guy is.

He posted here a couple of times but we soon chased him away.

Anonymous said...

The Ministry of Truth said...
Hitlertrump is infuriated to learn that the Constitution forbids him from getting rid of all the Muslims.
F*cking Founding Fathers ...
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So...the Constitution is a suicide pact?

Feel the Bern said...

Hillary is going to jail. Then what?

Make America Great Again said...

Making America great again equates barbarism in the alleged minds of the left? Just wow.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Making America great again equates barbarism in the alleged minds of the left? Just wow."

Torturing criminals for fun and targeting innocent people for reprisal killings equals making America great in the alleged minds of the right? Just wow.

The Nigger Yisheng said...

The correlation between whooteemoo supremacy and the adage of black power movements is startling. Vis a vis, you have to get to the root of the problem, undoubtedly something most whooteemoos aren't capable of with their puny brains and puny penises. The Trump phenomenon is fascinating because it displays the utmost capacity of whooteemoo thought, the umbrage of vitality, and the docile whooteemoo mind when thrown a bone.

Ethan Holbrook said...

Constant whining by blacks and other wannabe social justice warriors basically created this Trump campaign. Have you people ever taken a moment to think that this is partially your fault? Of course that would mean that blacks would have to take some responsibility, and we all know how that usually goes with your kind.

field negro said...

Ethan, "your kind" belongs in a museum. Anyway, welcome to the 21st Century.

Make America Great Again said...

''Torturing criminals for fun and targeting innocent people for reprisal killings equals making America great in the alleged minds of the right? Just wow.''


Who on the right is caliing for all that? No one. That's who.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Who on the right is caliing for all that? No one. That's who."

Oh, you haven't noticed the real-estate tycoon/buffoon and reality TV clown who's now owning your party? You haven't noticed the policies he's promising?

Maybe you're the one who's in denial of how shit your party is.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Constant whining by blacks and other wannabe social justice warriors basically created this Trump campaign. Have you people ever taken a moment to think that this is partially your fault?"

Constant lying by GOP economic elites created this Trump campaign. They've been telling rural white folks that Obama hates them and is out to get them for his entire administration, with no actual evidence. And drumming up racism in general for decades before that. Now they're moaning because the angry, stupid racists no longer feel like serving their interests.

"Obama forced them to be racist" is possibly the dumbest excuse ever to be farted out by the Republican propaganda ministry.

obama hates me said...

Rural white folks don't need anyone telling them obama hates them and is out to get them.

They just have to look at obama's words and actions. They tell us everything we need to know.

Hail the Trumpenreich said...

The Ministry of Truth said...
"Torturing criminals for fun and targeting innocent people for reprisal killings"

What weird girly fantasies you have.

You really hate your daddy, don't you?

Eric "My People" Holder said...

"They've been telling rural white folks that Obama hates them and is out to get them for his entire administration"

Pretty easy sell, with his war on coal destroying their economies, disparate impact war on white jobs, and affirmative racism.

Peak Negro said...

field negro said...
Ethan, "your kind" belongs in a museum. Anyway, welcome to the 21st Century.
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Actually, you are the guy stuck in 1963.

"Change" always changes. Welcome to the 21st Century indeed.

The Ministry of Truth said...

Here's some fun racism news.

One of the slack-jawed hillbillies at a Trump rally punched a black protester in the face, unprovoked.

Who got detained and handcuffed by the cops? The black protester, naturally.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Pretty easy sell, with his war on coal destroying their economies, disparate impact war on white jobs, and affirmative racism."

LOL, the "war on coal": Exhibit A in lies conservatives tell.

Make America Great Again said...

The black lies matter thug was shouting racial slurs and giving everyone the finger. He deserved to get the taste knocked out his mouth and cuffed by the police.

Your race card gets Trump by facts.

Make America Great Again said...

''LOL, the "war on coal": Exhibit A in lies conservatives tell.''


Tell that to the thousands who have lost their jobs thanks to obama's policies.

The Purple Cow said...

Field, I've been thinking.

What exactly is the use of this comments section?

I enjoy your blog and read it almost every day, but I'm starting to wonder what practical use these comments provide. Fascists, by definition are uneducable, and it's not like they ever have anything new/original/interesting to say, so why are we listening?

In truth these guys get off sexually by abusing black folks, thus the only real function of these comments is as an aid to masturbation for Stormfront types.

So why are we encouraging that?

Have you ever considered closing the comments section?

The Butcher said...

The Purple Cow said...
"Field please ban the people that make me look like the evil fool I am"
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Typical progressive fascist, afraid of having to defend his indefensible hate.

The Ministry of Truth said...

"Tell that to the thousands who have lost their jobs thanks to obama's policies."

No, thanks to the fact that nobody wants to buy coal anymore, because people who aren't idiots realize global warming is a real thing.

And thanks to the fact coal is filthy dirty power, and lung disease is also a real thing.

And thanks to the fact that fracking has dropped the cost of natural gas, making it the economically smarter choice, while technological developments have also caused the price of wind and solar to plummet.

The market for coal is going away, period.

If Republican leaders were even a little bit honest, they'd tell those people that their jobs will inevitably be eliminated and can't be saved, and work to develop other industries they can transition into. But Republicans leaders aren't interested in governing.

We have always been at war with Eastasia said...

The Ministry of Truth said...
Here's some fun racism news.
One of the slack-jawed hillbillies at a Trump rally punched a black protester in the face, unprovoked.
Who got detained and handcuffed by the cops? The black protester, naturally.

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Who will be made a heroic celebrity? The black agitator who tried to disrupt a hated minority's rally, naturally.

Lawrence O'Donnell is turning over his show to this Sainted Black Victim tonight. Be sure to record it.

The punch was cowardly and unjustified, but hardly "unprovoked" as the dude was flipping off the guy who snapped.

Another fact you omitted: The cops (who were all black, btw) did not see the sucker punch and reacted to the reaction of the guy who got punched. And in the end, it was the "slack-jawed hillbilly" (nice casual slur) who got arrested. But you knew that.

And I hope your commitment to guilt by association and collective blame holds the next time someone who has attended a Hillary rally is charged with a crime.

You are a real piece of shit.

Hate Fact™ said...

"technological developments have also caused the price of wind and solar to plummet"

Wrong.

Tax credits, direct subsidies, and federal mandates are the only reason anyone build wind or solar capacity.

Hate Fact™ said...

"No, thanks to the fact that nobody wants to buy coal anymore, because people who aren't idiots realize global warming is a real thing."

Wrong.

Burning coal does not cause climate change.

Coal is a very economical way to generate power, which is why China builds 50 new coal plants every year.

With modern emissions equipment, coal can be a very clean way to produce power.

Obama has most certainly waged a War on Coal, based on ideology, not science.

All of you whiny faggots who hate the people who keep your lights on should be fed through the pulverizer supplying a supercritical coal burning boiler. We'd get a few BTUs out of your scrawny ass and at least then something useful would come of your life.

We have always been at war with Eastasia said...

War is Peace.

Freedom is Slavery.

Ignorance is Strength.


Let's Change That.

Nasreen Iqbal said...

This is a man who believes that a BELIEF SYSTEM hates "us" (?). Not adherents. The belief system itself.

And since I am a Muslim, I have to interpret that one of two ways. Either Trump is telling me that my belief system hates me, or else he is telling me that he thinks that I (an American) hates Americans.

I know that he's only been in public life for half a century and therefore cannot be expected to speak with enough coherence to be understood, but I'm going to interpret his semi-coherent ramblings to mean that he believes I hate "real Americans".

Who can defend this guy?

Anonymous said...

The protester got what he deserved.

Anonymous said...

Well, the problem Nasreen is that it is not good to have Americans,you included,be killed and maimed, while being at for example a marathon just standing there innocently watching the runners race. Any suggestions as to how to stop this?

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Some idiot upthread

"The Purple Cow said...
"Field please ban the people that make me look like the evil fool I am"


The Purple Cow said no such thing, the Purple Cow has not asked for anybody to be banned.

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Typical fascist, afraid of having to defend his indefensible hate.

Anonymous said...

Nasreen Iqbal said...
"Either Trump is telling me that my belief system hates me, or else he is telling me that he thinks that I (an American) hates Americans."
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He is not telling you anything.

Only you know if you hate Americans. I won't dispute what you state your opinion to be and I don't think Trump would either.

Islamists say that they hate America all the time. Polls of Islamic immigrants, even the "refugees" we are offering refuge to, indicate a majority have antipathy toward their new home. Perhaps Mr. Trump is taking them at their word.

Anyone who knows anything about the history of Islam knows that it cannot coexist with other belief systems over the long term.

Islam does not mean "peace" but "submission". The "peace" envisioned by Islam is when everyone on earth is either a devout Muslim, a slave subservient to Islam, or dead.

It says this explicitly in the Koran and is proven by history and current events.

In every country on earth, when Muslim communities reach a significant size trouble starts. When you are at war with Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, and Jews, it's not everybody else, it's you.

Muslims who come here and live like Americans with Americans are welcome. Muslims who come here and want to start changing my country into an Islamic country are declaring war. It is part of the Islamic religion to live under Sharia. You see calls for Sharia zones all over Europe now, and they will only get louder. Sharia is fundamentally at odds with western values and the rights currently guaranteed under our Constitution.

Mass Muslim immigration is suicidal to the non-Muslim country who embraces it. I am 100% in favor of limiting immigration from Muslim countries to a minimum.

Individual Muslims are people like anyone else. I have worked with Muslims for decades and consider several Muslims to be friend. I have been to Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Dubai and Indonesia. I would not want to live in a Muslim country, and I do not want large numbers of Muslims to live in my country. This is not "racist". That I wish for my children and my children's children to live in an America that generally adheres to the values and customs of my heritage does not make me a bad person. This is something that is considered a fundamental human right for other cultures. I choose cultural survival over suicide.

Respect differences. Recognize that some cultures are incompatible. Make a choice.

The Purple Cow said...

"Islamists say that they hate America all the time. Polls of Islamic immigrants, even the "refugees" we are offering refuge to, indicate a majority have antipathy toward their new home. "

Do you have a link to those poll results please? Thanks.

The Purple Cow said...

"Islam does not mean "peace" but "submission". "

No, it means submit to the will of God. Do you know any religion that doesn't expect you to submit to the will of god?

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"It says this explicitly in the Koran and is proven by history and current events."

It says all kind of shit in the Koran, almost as as much shit as there is in your bible. So what?

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"When you are at war with Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, and Jews, it's not everybody else, it's you."

All religions are at war with all other religions. That's how religion works. It's not that long ago that Christians killed 6 million Jews in Europe. To single out Islam as being more bloodthirsty or more idiotic as any other religion is patent nonsense.

Hitler was a socialist said...

Nazis weren't Christians, they were socialists.

Anonymous said...

"Do you know any religion that doesn't expect you to submit to the will of god?"

The difference with Islam is that it mandates the submission of non-believers.

Yisheng said...

Oh I do, I do, as indeed does my brother who is a Professor of Statistics. Let us ask him if he understands statistics, shall we?
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Yeah quite a few of us negros understand STATS, I'm using R to understand why whooteemoos that use heroin can't tolerate the latest ARTs for HIV.

Whooteemoo said...

Yisheng doesn't understand SHIT.

Anonymous said...

Ben Carson is endorsing Trump.

Kanye, Herman Cain and now Ben Carson. Trump is set now.

I'll bet even PilotX jumps on the Trump train!

ProvidenceMine said...

Field Negro.

If I were you I would seriously consider closing the comment section.

If not close it, as least censor some of the comments.

These comments only prove your point about how degenerate some of these right-wingers are.

But then again, it is your blog.