*O my O man, who knew? And here I thought your were just another smooth talking politician who knew how to navigate between black and white worlds. A unifier; a consensus builder. You were never one of those black racist; you are someone who preaches love not hate. But apparently, the white Kanye West, Glen Beck, doesn't think so. ["Gorge Bush doesn't care about black people". (I know Kanye, but he is gone now.)] Seems Beck called you out on FOX NEWS and said you were a racist. Yep, he did it. He said you had issues with white people. You know what that means O man? It means that you hated your mama, and that just might mean that you have some serious issues not only with white people, but with women as well.
But seriously, for those of you who are surprised at Mr. Beck's remarks, you must not have been reading this blog for the past year. I tried to tell you about FOX and their agenda, and you all kept telling me that I am focusing on the wrong thing. That FOX NEWS is just being FOX NEWS and I should move on and leave them alone. Well, maybe now that they are ratcheting up the race baiting on your boy, you will see where I am coming from. Beck and company are not stupid. They know the people that they are trying to attract in this country. By telling them Obama is a racist he is telling them that it's cool for them to be racists as well. Hey, he hates you, so why not hate him? It's kind of simple when you break it down isn't it?
Now I know I know, Beck is an entertainer, and so is Kanye. But the difference is, Kanye West is a rapper and musician, Glen Beck is a political commentator, who reaches millions of his fellow A-merry-cans every day on his radio program and every night on his television show. Kanye West spoke out of anger and disgust from the heart about one of the greatest tragedies in A-merry-ca's history. What is Beck's motivation? Because his O ness rightfully called some racist cop stupid? I heard a lady on MSNBC tonight and she made a good point: Beck will always get corporate sponsors who want his show to do well, because this type of rhetoric divides the races and plays right into their (the corporations) hands. God forbid poor black and white people ever get together in this country, it would shake up the entire apple cart. Talk about crabs in a barrel. Poor people in this country are in one big fucking crab barrel.
Beck is trying to reach those poor white people in the barrel and believe me, he doesn't want them to crawl out. Sadly, it's working, I am sure most of you have heard by now about the racist cop in Boston. No, not Jim Crow, [thanks Rippa] the one on the Boston P.D. who was caught sending racist messages about Skip gates via e-mail. The one who I am sure listens to Glen Beck and others like him every day, and who believes that the race war is coming.
It's funny how racism works isn't it? I get accused of being a racist and racism chaser all the time. It's bullshit, but I will wear that badge, because I am passionate about this shit, and I am cynical when it comes to matters of race. His O ness, on the other hand, is trying to be a race neutral icon, and yet, white folks won't let him. They throw the racist label at him like Pedro Martinez fastball and hope it hits him right between the eyes. He dodges and ducks, and tries everything to appease them, (Beer anyone?) but they keep throwing. Why? Because race neutral icons might actually make it cool to do away with ignorance for one minute, that's why.
Anyway, while the Glen Becks of the world does his thing. The field Negroes of the world will do theirs. Unlike the house Negroes who want to make nice with him and his ilk, we will be over here calling him and everyone like him on his bullshit. And we will call the house Negroes on it, too. They might want to be around people who despise everything about their black asses, but us field Negroes will pass and continue to make them uncomfortable. You can call it crabs in a barrel if you want to, but it's far from it. Some of you crabs can haul your black asses right out of the barrel, I guarantee you that the rest of us won't even care. Besides, you will only be going to another bigger whiter barrel with a lot more crabs.
*Pic courtesy of ArtMaggot.
236 comments:
1 – 200 of 236 Newer› Newest»Bravo FN!
You are on fire with this one.
Notice what Boston's white mayor said about that cop.
I concure with uptownsteve...u are on fire!
Don't stop.
I've decided that certain Americans would rather have a destroyed America than a biracial POTUS.
Check out what the cops in Georgia got caught doing http://www.11alive.com/rss/rss_story.aspx?storyid=133173
Personally, I'm wondering what will these fools do next.
Problem with fires is they get out of control, such as when FN wrote this about the lady who called the Cambridge police: "a nosey ass racist, and I still think she is full of shit. Let's make one thing clear: The reason she felt a need to call 911 in the firt place is because she saw TWO BLACK MEN TRYING TO PUSH THEIR WAY INTO A HOUSE."
The 911 tapes show Field's statement to be simply wrong, not just as to facts but as to how those facts should be interpreted. The woman did not mention race in her call, and voiced uncertainty about whether it was a breakin at all, and said only after prompting from the dispatcher that one of the men might have been Hispanic but that she wasn't sure.
Field, among with a bunch of other people, owe the woman a retraction and an apology. I won't hold my breath waiting for it, because my estimation is that in this case Field has been seriously jonesing on his inner "fire."
Something about heat and light, I'd say.
Well lets see.The last 8 years ya'll called Bush everything but a child of God and FN and his ilk was ok with that.
Obama racist?? Lets see--
His judge believes in racial superiorty.
His favorite pastor Rev J wright hates whitey.
He listen to sermons about the evils of whitey for over 20 years.
Also seeing how FN,people of his ilk,and the Obama loving MSM has to defend Obama and attack Beck you can see where one would say he's racist.
But can a uncle tom be racist??
Every time I think that Beck cannot possibly be more idiotic I am proven wrong. This may be the final straw that gets him fired so that he can return to a lifestyle more suited to his "talents", that of a methmouth local bully.
R, your boy Bush is a fucking war criminal by the standards of Nuremburg. He and Cheney and their top aides ought to be on trial for their lives.
One more thing---
More people will have seen what Beck said because of all the coverage than would have if no one covered it.
I'm sure the 3rd most listen to talk show host thanks you much FN.
Whats all this talk about crab??Ya'll gon be on The Deadiest Catch??
Grinder
"The 911 tapes show Field's statement to be simply wrong, not just as to facts but as to how those facts should be interpreted. The woman did not mention race in her call, and voiced uncertainty about whether it was a breakin at all, and said only after prompting from the dispatcher that one of the men might have been Hispanic but that she wasn't sure."
here you go again with your white lense ready to jump, see the msm reported that LUCIA was a "NEIGHBOR", actually she was NOT a "neighbor", she was calling in for some old white lady, the old white lady was the "neighbor".
Grindass, why don't u get ur facts straight?
grinder...
thank you I was about to explain this to R.
The reason why certain Americans are attacking President Obama's citizenship and skin color is because they are pandering to the lowest common denominator of the citizenry.
I could discuss so many issues with the Bush Administration without once referring to his race.
Americans such as Dobbs, Beck et al
can't or won't do the same for President Obama.
Mr. R. -- aim higher than referencing Jeremiah Wright. I know you can bring the brilliance.
Wink.
Ha when are you brothers gonna learn
White people are fucked up,pick up any history book.What happened to the native americans,How did your black ass get here? what was your families real last name? How much strange fruit must you find before you realize they are fighting becuase thier time is up.
Amerikkka is done.these racist know this & they are scared shitless.
Jeremiah Wright hates whitey???
Wright was a decorated US Marine corpsman who served with distinction before black folks even had first classed citizenship in America.
Stop the bullshit.
Beck, Limbaugh, Dobbs, Hannity and O'Reilly, I would hate to be downwind of these rancid pustules. The stench of puss, decay and rotting flesh would make you puke.
These men aren't even true believers, just corporate hacks collecting a paycheck. Poor white folk too blinded by their own hatred of the "other" and clinging to their "imagine" superior place in the food chain are willing to let themselves sink deeper into the quagmire of poverty, racism and ignorance so these corporate assholes can keep collecting their multi-million dollar bonuses all the while laughing at their asses.
There should be a special place in hell reserved for that fucking carpetbagger Rupert Murdoch for what he as done to the 4th Estate, politics and race relations in this country.
grinder, you are right about one thing, I will never apologize for my comments about Ms. kravitz (or Whalen) She can get to you and the rest of A-merry-ca with that I am not a racist rant, but sorry, I have heard that one before. That dog ain't hunting with the kid.
No matter how much she tries to change the facts. The facts of the matter is that she called the po po when she say Skip and his driver going into his home. Hispanic man, little man, tall man short man, it doesn't matter to me one bit what she said to the 911 operator. What matters to me is that she felt a need to make the call in the FIRST PLACE.
See grinder, it's simple with me: would she have made the call if it were two white men trying to get into that house? If your answer is yes, then she is vindicated in your eyes. If it is no. Then she is not. Guess which side I come down on?
allheavens, lawd have mercy you are spitting some truth tonight!
I managed to catch that last part while eating dinner. I guess Beck with the razor like mind forgot that the Pres' mother was white, but never mind about such details. I guess his mind has been shredded from that sharp mind of his. I was listening to NPR this morning asking the folk from places like Bistrol, PA about healthcare reform, and man said that he did trust the government with healthcare because it is the minorities who will taken care of and not people like him.
There are a lot of igorant people out there who also lack critical thinking skills, and some of these folks that Elvis is alive and the moon landing existed. They believe the Pres was not born in this country. I am concerned that these individuals can be dangerous due to their igorance and fear. Beck better say feet do not fail me if any thing should happen to the Pres.
I do mean change the story, but Maddow is going report a story from LA about a car bomb at the of porn star is running for the US senate. That is bizzare story, but so has this summer
We knew it was gonna come, didn't we field negroes?
The righties and racists would claim that the election of Obama signaled a "post-racial America" then the second he acknowledged the still present racial injustice in America, they brand him a racist.
They didn't vote for Obama and will never support him yet they expect him and the rest of justice seeking Americans to be silent in the face of bigotry and their hateful rhetoric.
We cannot be complacent.
These righties are spoiling for a race war and we damn sure better be ready to deal with them.
i am sorry to report that a lot of white assholes actually believe that Obama is a racist, and that the cop was just doing his job, the 911 caller is a victim, and can we all just sing kumbaya?
@Black Diasporora, I read your post over and over, and tell truth, I just am not as good a person as you, i still feel anger at bsweet, and, i can't stand to look at her icon. I sorry about that.
At the home of the porn star.
Field, long time lurker here.
I don't think anything is going to change in this sad story until the media acknowledges that Crowley lied, straight out lied, on his police report.
He lied about talking to Lucia Whalen.
He lied about the "acoustics in the kitchen." I mean, this is a real whopper, you really have to look it up.
He lied about giving his badge number.
Who knows what else he lied about.
I'm not a lawyer, but I can guess that falsifying a police report is at least punishable by formal disciplinary action... if not outright illegal.
I expect to hear about none of this in the national media. Ever.
A couple of beers, and everything is okey-dokey. Until the next "incident" happens.
There should be a special place in hell reserved for that fucking carpetbagger Rupert Murdoch for what he as done to the 4th Estate, politics and race relations in this country.
Allheavens,
As God is my witness! Say it!
here you go again with your white lense ready to jump, see the msm reported that LUCIA was a "NEIGHBOR", actually she was NOT a "neighbor", she was calling in for some old white lady, the old white lady was the "neighbor".
Grindass, why don't u get ur facts straight?
Field talked about the caller. As for the woman who the caller was calling for, that lady had moved into her house a week earlier. So exactly which facts did I not get straight?
In this case, Field and many of his commenters are so wrapped up in knee-jerk racial politics that they're unable to even correct a simple error. It's sad, to put it mildly.
it doesn't matter to me one bit what she said to the 911 operator.
You are so high on your racial invective that you just don't want to be confused with any facts. Sad.
uptownsteve said...
These righties are spoiling for a race war and we damn sure better be ready to deal with them.
A another example of ya'lls can't see the forest for the trees.
Ya'll worried about "righties" when ya'll got black gang members killin each other,planned parenthood wit tey "negro project" while Democrat policies finishes the rest of ya'll off.
So ya'll keep worry'n about "righties" while ya'll is numbers dewindle down to about 6%.
Than ya'll will have hispanice and asian masters to please has well.
Allheavens,
"There should be a special place in hell reserved for that fucking carpetbagger Rupert Murdoch for what he as done to the 4th Estate, politics and race relations in this country."
Right On!
And buckdancing negroes like Dick Parsons and Juan Williams claim that Murdoch is merely "misunderstood".
There is a special shoeshine stand in Hades reserved for those fools as well.
See grinder, it's simple with me: would she have made the call if it were two white men trying to get into that house? If your answer is yes, then she is vindicated in your eyes. If it is no. Then she is not. Guess which side I come down on?
Once again, you don't want to be confused with the facts. Did you even listen to the recording? I don't think so! If you had, you'd have heard that she didn't know what race the people were.
When the dispatcher prompted her, she said that maybe one of them was Hispanic but she couldn't tell for sure. But nothing is going to stand between you and your righteous fire, so you simply ignore that inconvenient little detail.
I'm going to assume that you're a better lawyer than you are an analyst of this situation, because this argument of yours would be laughed out of court and I think you know it.
uptownsteve: Jeremiah Wright hates whitey???<<
Good question indeed, even if it's a rhetorical one. Wright's church welcomes people of all races. Many white people who visited there for services will say they always have been warmly welcomed.
Field, you can "win" the argument here, because the jury pool is stacked. But a neutral jury? Not a chance in hell.
Sharon from WI said...
uptownsteve: Jeremiah Wright hates whitey???<<
Good question indeed, even if it's a rhetorical one. Wright's church welcomes people of all races. Many white people who visited there for services will say they always have been warmly welcomed.
Please list the names and links to where they said this.
Mr. R,
Yo idiot, they just arrested a bunch of white boys in NC who were attempting a Jihad on American soil.
And let's not forget William Krar and his band of white supremacists who were caught with a warehouse of bombs and chemical weapons, ready to engage in an anti-government overthrow.
Oklahoma City, the 96 Olympics, the abortion clinic murders.
You need to quit obsessing with your hatred of blacks and start worrying about the angry and violent nutcases in your own backyard who are willing to harm YOU in their mission to express their displeasure with the American government.
Mr. R, a black man is your duly elected head of state.
Deal with it.
We've dealt with y'all for two hundred years.
From the racist email:
"Your defense of Gates while he is on the phone while being confronted with a police officer is assuming he has rights when considered a suspect. He is a suspect and will always be a suspect."
You get that? Gates will ALWAYS be a suspect, and as we all know, suspects cannot possibly have rights!
It's really a tour de force, check it out.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/local/justin_barrett_full_email_072909
(Yeah, it's Fox, what a surprise.)
It's really a tour de force, check it out.
Jesus Christ, where does one even begin?!
uptownsteve said...
Mr. R,
Yo idiot, they just arrested a bunch of white boys in NC who were attempting a Jihad on American soil.
Hey killa, 15 people was just shot in Obamaland {Chicago} over a span of 4 hours last night.
How many niggas gonna be killed in Chicago while Obama takes a vacation?
Well ya'll know we gots to catch up wit all those bruthas attempting Jihad .
And let's not forget William Krar and his band of white supremacists who were caught with a warehouse of bombs and chemical weapons, ready to engage in an anti-government overthrow.
Oklahoma City, the 96 Olympics, the abortion clinic murders.
War between the bloods and crips- over 30,000 people dead nationwide.
You need to quit obsessing with your hatred of blacks and start worrying about the angry and violent nutcases in your own backyard who are willing to harm YOU in their mission to express their displeasure with the American government.
Yeah keep worrying about "righties" while the Democrats keep killin ya'll off.
Mr. R, a black man is your duly elected head of state.
Deal with it.
That black man is a uncle tom so he has been delt wit.
We've dealt with y'all for two hundred years.
Yet ya'll still don't hold da cards.
Honestly it's not Beck that worries me, it's the embracing of ignorance by so many in this country.
No one has to like Obama. People are free to dislike him either personally or politically. But this sort of rhetoric doesn't even make sense.
Has logical thinking become a lost art in America? Are we slowly becoming a nation of proud idiots?
The political discourse is this country is just downright embarrassing.
Do the Republicans think that we've reached the stupidity tipping point in this country so that there will be enough stupid people around who believe their craziness and will vote them back into the White House?
Maybe Palin does have a chance next time around.
grinder said...
Jesus Christ, where does one even begin?!
LOL
"You are a hot little bird with minimal experiences in a harsh field. You are a fool. An infidel."
This email is an instant classic.
I don't know what's both scarier and most laughable, his statement that, "I am not a racist," his assertion that it's wrong to assume that someone has rights if they are a suspect, or his declaration that he'd have "sprayed him in the face" if he'd responded to the call. Holy shit.
"Field, you can "win" the argument here, because the jury pool is stacked. But a neutral jury? Not a chance in hell."
I bet I would win it here in Philly. Want to take a guess why?
Wed, Jul. 29, 2009
Black workers say drinking fountains, bathrooms segregated at city facility
Philadelphia Daily News
http://tinyurl.com/ngetq9
I bet I would win it here in Philly. Want to take a guess why?
Beats me. Why don't you explain it for me.
Mr. R,
Your tactic is tired.
Black folks are not to even acknowledge white racism until Chicago ghettoes are crime free.
Even though white racism created the ghettoes.
Sell it at the next crossburning Jethro.
Y'all know, there is a real lot of distraction from the REAL NEWS. Like the economy, health care, the two fake wars (police actions) etc. over this coverage of Gates-gate?
The fact of the matter is that this is dividing the races. Which, to my thinking, is so, so very wrong. And, quite frankly stupid, as in stupid in general, not that the po-lice acted stupidly, which they did.
The bitch that reported this crap is obviously out for herself, grabbed the opportunity (picture) and has now hired an attorney...lawd have mercy on us all!
And, this will continue to be a story when there are far more important things going on in this country!
As I said earlier, human intelligence (especially these days) is an oxymoron, along with all the rest of intelligence.
Let us all try to get along, Negroes and Dumb Ass Whities, please!
Get back to the fact that all of us are F****D up if we don't get some REAL guvment giving a crap about us. Forget about Red Stripe, Bud, etc. and focus, focus, focus on our peeps, black, white, brown, yellow, etc., etc.
"The fact of the matter is that this is dividing the races."
When have the races not been divided in this country?
What did I miss?
"Beats me. Why don't you explain it for me."
Because my pool of jurors would be made up of older people of color. And people are products of their life experiences and their environment. See where I am going with this?
Woman sees black men woman calls 911. You believe her when she says she didn't see the men's race, I say bullshit! And most black people would say bullshit as well.
Anon 9:57PM. I am aware of that story. I might have more on it later.
@uptownsteve,
You know, we were not too long ago coming to some sort of dialog. I know you love to be provacative. Well, have at it, as per usual. Show us all what an intellectual man you are.
Giggles,
Whitney
Yeah, the one that you finally once discovered was...WHITE!!! Now, who is the racist?
FN, look the women didn't say Black men were breaking into Professor Gates' home. But Gates did present two forms of ID one which had his address on it to Officer Crowley. At which piont Crowley should have excused himself and left the premises. I don't care if Professor Gates called his mama a windy licking twat. Crowley should have manned up and left. PERIOD! You are not called a civil servant for no reason it all, Officer Crowley.
But the story of the crazed Black elitist and the wronged white officer plays better in the media.
The MSM in this country is nothing but a bunch of preening, trifling frat boys and botox enhanced, prozac blitzed MLIFs too afraid of rocking their corporate massa's 200 ft.yachts to even CONSIDER growig a pair and reporting the NEWS with anything resembling journalistic integrity.
And for all you 30,000,000 or so white folk in this country who could write a dissertation on "Victimology" that would make Hans von Hentig look like an amateur. . .well just FUCK YOU.
You have had 594 years of European colonialism and imperialism; oppressing POC all over the world but I guess there's just no satisfying SOME people. *rolls eyes*
You think fear of a Black planet keeps these idiots up at night? UH, UH, fear of a TAN planet is what keeps these MOFOs grinding their teeth at night.
Fear that little Bobby and little Julie or going to fuck those blue eyes, straight hair and Greek noses right into oblivion along with their white privilege. Fear that a beautiful brown-skinned, Nubian nosed, nappy haired child will be running towards them one day yelling, "Grandma, Grandpa."
Guess what? It can't come one nanosecond to soon.
uptownsteve said...
Mr. R,
Yo idiot, they just arrested a bunch of white boys in NC who were attempting a Jihad on American soil.
Are we calling Arabs white boys now? Some of the 7 arrested were Arabs.All were Musliam converts.
Also they were planning attacks in Kosovo,Jordan, and Gaza.No mention of attacks in the USA.
Whitney,
I asked a simple qustion.
Care to answer it?
Do the "races become divided" when black folks speak out against racial injustice?
Or should we just, as Mr. R, suggests, concentrate on inner city criminals before we can confront white racism?
Grinder, why is it that you keep coming back here? Are you here to learn anything? Do you think you have nothing to learn? Or are you here only to "defend" a so-called white perspective on the issues of race and how they play out?
If so, my brother, may I make a suggestion... if you sincerely want to work on race, I challenge you to spend your time on white blogs challenging the overtly racist shit that is being spewed.
One of the things that you, and un-reflective white folks need to do, imho, is stop telling black folks that their perspective, informed by their experience is wrong. Instead, why don't you just shut up for a little while and marinate your brain in trying to understand the other... see it from their perspective. And, yes, you can try.
We have all experienced being an oppressor and being oppressed. Get in touch with those moments when you were dismissed, soley because of who you were. Think of your childhood, when adults dismissed your thinking because of your age. Think of how the adult world saw you as a teenager, as just that, a teenager and not the full human you were up to that point, because they dismissed all teenagers.... I'm just tryin to help you out here... and I admit, part of my motivation is to see if it will slow your roll a little.
Because my pool of jurors would be made up of older people of color. And people are products of their life experiences and their environment. See where I am going with this?
Woman sees black men woman calls 911. You believe her when she says she didn't see the men's race, I say bullshit! And most black people would say bullshit as well.
Okay, so you're saying that black people will vote along racial lines on a jury no matter what the facts are. Gotcha. If that's true it's a shame, but I guess that's life in America. I'd like to think not, but there are a lot of things I'd like to think.
To the barricades, then. All this happy talk an illusion. Sigh.
Field,
In the 911 tapes the police asked that stoopid beatch if they were Hispanic. That's a twist. To quote a redneck, "I don't care who you are, that's funny."
I got a laugh over that as I know how racist (against blacks) those Easterners are, having worked among 'em.
uptownsteve said...
Mr. R,
Your tactic is tired.
Black folks are not to even acknowledge white racism until Chicago ghettoes are crime free.
Beaten at your on game. Go to bed little one.
Why are you blamin these whipped cracka bichez? Wright will tell you hisself that this was all cooked up by the jooz to sell Budwiser!
BTW, if I see anybody climin in anybody windows in my hood, I be callin the poes 2!
-Peece
Grinder, why is it that you keep coming back here? Are you here to learn anything? Do you think you have nothing to learn? Or are you here only to "defend" a so-called white perspective on the issues of race and how they play out?
If so, my brother, may I make a suggestion... if you sincerely want to work on race, I challenge you to spend your time on white blogs challenging the overtly racist shit that is being spewed.
Damn good question. I agree with you that it's a waste of time, quite frankly. When the guy who runs this blog doesn't give a rat's ass about facts, and when his cheering section overwhelmingly despises whites, you're right -- it's time to split.
This was an interesting experiment, but I'm thinking it's over with. There's no "dialogue" here. It's mostly just exchanges of hatred, really, including Field's. Hey, it's America. He (and you) can hate if you want. No law against it.
Oh yea, Glen Beck is an idiot. Writing the previous sentence is giving him more of my time than he deserves.
MR.R said...
But can a uncle tom be racist??
______________________________
Ask Jesse Lee Peterson , Alan Keyes, and Clarence Thomas.
Mr. R.
You sonud like somebody who has just been SHUT UP.
@Shorts
Even better re: Justin Barrett is that he has been suspended from his Mass. National Guard Unit as well.
Glad to see that their is zero tolerence for this kind of nonsense regarding stupid emails.
Makaii
This coming from a member of the Mormon church which only told its members that blacks were human less than 30 years ago, child please, get back to me when your faith stops its hate of blacks based on a myth and magic underwear.
Nice to see field throw ya'lls a racial bone to chew on.
Gets ya'll is minds off the fact that Obama and the Democrats couldn't get Obamacare passed.
Field,
Lisa Turtle alert
Have you heard that People mag is doing a Saved By The Bell reunion in the August 10 issue?
Lark is on the cover with the rest of the cast. I think they do a 'where are they now' kind of a thing.
@uptownsteve,
This is a non news issue. This is crap. The cop was wrong in arresting Gates, the professor was wrong in the fact that he freaked out (which, if I had just come off a long trip from China I would have, too) and O'Man shouldn't have commented on a non-new item. Bottom line is the cop f****d up by arresting him, but that's it and the end. Alpha/omega.
Am I wrong, if you think so, then I am. But, I would imagine, if one were to take a step back and look at this in the perspective of all that is going on today, this is a very trivial issue.
As for race relations, yes, I think at some point, we were progressing nicely. But, nicely is not the point. Bigotry will always rule, on both sides. Per your comment once about how I want to conrol things because I am white.
That is a ridiculous statement that you once made. I am far from a that type of person if you have ever read what I write on this blog. It is foolish to think that I am. But, you will think as you do.
How could these guys get suspended?
What ever happen to white privilege?
@Shorts
Even better re: Justin Barrett is that he has been suspended from his Mass. National Guard Unit as well.
Glad to see that their is zero tolerence for this kind of nonsense regarding stupid emails.
Makaii
---
Yeah, that's a good thing... but I wonder. This idiot may have sent a letter, but he didn't actually DO anything else. Crowley, on the other hand, arrested a man on false premises and tried to cover it up with a falsified police report. And what does Crowley get? Beer with the President.
That's the difference between sophisticated racism and unsophisticated racism.
Mr. Field and Uptownsteve,
You are both on point! I'm loving this dialogue.
Another point of discussion, people like Glen Beck and Pat B. have no moral authority. It's not as if they have spoken out against injustice in general. They are only speaking out about what amounts to perceived (or real) loss of the idea of white superiority. This loss of white privilege, in their minds, is essentially equivalent to reverse discrimination. Until recently, to criticize the actions of white people (and have the social and political standing to back it up) without impunity has been difficult. People like Pat, Rush, and Glen can't stand the fact that they are no longer given unequivocal deference simply for being white.
whites and the trinity united church of christ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anpI-BKp5cg
http://johnharmstrong.typepad.com/john_h_armstrong_/2007/04/trinity_united_.html
grinder; the lady who called the cops said she did not mention that the men were black and did not talk to the cop when he got there. The cop wrote in his report that she did talk to him and she did mention that the men were black. If she is telling the truth does that not make everything the cop said about the incident suspect? If you believe that the cop is telling the truth then the you would have to accuse the lady of lying which is not different from what Field is saying.
Also note that so far Dr Gates has not been caught in a lie.
See when the left throws the race card at any and every they disagree with you can expect people like Beck to throw it right back at you.
Anyways there's more imporant stuff to worry about.
I'm terrified about Beck's words because of how stupid the majority of America is. Those words can ignite a riot.
There was a time I truly did not understand black anger and, even now, there have been times I've had to pause and really think from another angle/perspective so as to accept what is justifiable. Jody, you articulated perfectly that sentiment so well when you said "... Instead, why don't you just shut up for a little while and marinate your brain in trying to understand the other... see it from their perspective. And, yes, you can try.We have all experienced being an oppressor and being oppressed. Get in touch with those moments when you were dismissed, solely because of who you were....."
IMHO, many people lash out against or refuse to acknowledge racism because they cannot (and will not) see it any other way; there must be _another_ reason ( such and such incident wasn't racist..... you are taking it out of context or too far etc...) always seems to be lurking in the background when in fact, it was, cut and dry, racism.
Anyway, please keep on because some of us are listening, learning and confronting our own bias, bigotry and racism we thought we never had.
grinder, can we agree on this: We DON'T know what she would have done if she saw two white men. Since it wasn't two white men. Is that fair?
Okay, so let's move along with my logic game. But we DO know that she called the po po, and their just happened to be two black men. Is that fair?
You give her the benefit of the doubt that she would have called the cops regardless. Is that a fair statement?
I choose not give her the benefit of the doubt. Is that a fair statement?
If you said yes to all of the above then we shouldn't be remonstrating about this subject and you shouldn't be questioning my logic.
I hope this ends the tired exercise involving Mrs.Kravitz. I got a lot of angry e-mails from white folks (and black) wanting to know why I was hard on her. And I am glad I at least was able to address it in this thread.
oh, goddamnitalltohell.
It's a sad day for me when Glenn Beck is the poster child for white America.
And, despite grinder's comment that field spews hate along with his "cheering section," I've never felt that coming from fn, and have found more open-hearted people here willing to teach me than the few that dismiss me for being white.
I think a lot of white folks ought to add a daily helping of humble pie to their diets before they deign to deliver their opinions on topics with which they have little experience.
to allheavens--
a beautiful brown-skinned, Nubian nosed, nappy haired child will be running towards them one day yelling, "Grandma, Grandpa."
If only. Nothing would make me happier.
Guess what? It can't come one nanosecond to soon.
cosign
field, I've only been reading for a few months, and I have no right to make requests or give advice, but maybe it would do your heart good to shed a little light on Tim Wise or Robert Jensen here on your blog. Sorry if I'm out of line.
http://www.timwise.org/
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/teachablemoments.htm
"Field,
Lisa Turtle alert
Have you heard that People mag is doing a Saved By The Bell reunion in the August 10 issue?
Lark is on the cover with the rest of the cast. I think they do a 'where are they now' kind of a thing."
Monie, I am all over that! (some folks have been kind enough to e-mail me the links and the story) Forget all this Gates Obama stuff. That might just be the most important news to hit us in the past few weeks. :)
"Okay, so let's move along with my logic game. But we DO know that she called the po po, and their just happened to be two black men. Is that fair?"
That should be t-h-e-r-e and not t-h-e-i-r. usually I don't care about spelling, but this is an important part of my logic game and I don't want you to miss anything.
Race Traitoress, how can you be out of line for making suggestions in the fields? Never that! I am always open to advice. Now whether I take it or not is another story. :)
Seriously, I have blogged about Wise before. Google field Negro and Tim Wise and tell me what you come up with. It might have been before you started coming to the fields.
FN:
As much as I may disagree with you from time to time, you are dead right about this. Glen Beck is a liar and a fool and his comments are simply put there to foment racism. Plain and simple. Now I am friends with some cool people and they have their reasons for feeling that our President is racist, but when given the RIGHT information they quickly question why the hell they are thinking like that.
I cannot stand so many of the policies that our President has supported. HOWEVER I attack his policies NOT his family, his children, his wife, his mother or anything else. I feel as though the folks who go there are simply using it as a smoke screen to hide their racism.
As an aside, poster KID I already told you I think FOX news is a propagandist site, this of course, is proof in the pudding.
I think it’s very easy to criticize Black anger and hate by Whites because it is so incomprehensible to them. They deem it irrational, childlike, emotionally unstable, all of the characteristics that they label Black slaves for centuries and now Black Americans and not the abject frustration. I think Black anger is justified because we are still viewed as less than and I believe that Gates controversy reflects the fact that no matter how high a ladder you climb, how many degrees, accolades, money and hard earned respect you supposedly acquired from society, that Whites and other will be able to judged you based on your race, your cultural connection to what is perceived as perverse and pathological, and the merit of your achievements and your civic minded adherence to being a good citizen are utterly meaningless. I mean if Colin Powell can understand and he is deemed safe by many Whites and a hero, why can’t they see why the gates story angers some Blacks.
Gates elitism and his condemnation for living in an ivory tower merely obfuscates the fact that you are still just a N*gger. This is what makes many Black so angry. We can be obsequious to Whites, work ourselves to the bone being the good Black and what do we get for your troubles, suspicion, condemnation and not even being seen as part of America or even remotely human. If white people can’t understand this sticking point than this further illustrates to me why the dialogue on race is pointless. Therefore many Whites cannot empathize with people that they feel superior to and who they feel are beneath them and these feeling crosses economic lines.
On another note, the relative success of the Jews is that they always had a cultural and religious coherence that Blacks Americans lacked. They have often been perceived in the same manner that Blacks have, but they are able to insulate themselves for over 5000 years (way longer than blacks) and they have the meme of being a chosen people that further protects from being hated as the Other. Blacks don’t have the luxury of these unifying factors so we continue to destroy each other because when it comes right down to it, we do subconsciously believe what Whites have been telling us for centuries that we are sub-human and trying to be part of the White mainstream has always been the goal at the expense of community. And if fighting to be seen as greater than the sum of our ignoble past and virulent beliefs that many people hold about Blacks, then so be it—I will gladly be judged as the angry, hate-filled Black who despises White people.
Grinder don't leave this BLOG! I think their is something about this BLOG that keep's you coming back, you try your best to defend the Wrong doing of the White Race, but,stop DEFENDING your people when they do WRONG! you will never be able to defend RACISM! it is what it is, and it was around before the President, Field or Uptown Steve was born.
If you are a Black Man, you are a MARKED MAN! and guess who gave them that BRAND? this country is in RACIAL TURMOIL! and we have older White Men on TV and the radio trying their best to start a RACE WAR!
We have White Men and Women buying up GUN'S left and right, and I thought we were in a RECESSION? where are these people getting money from to buy up all of these weapon's? I wouldn't be surprised it REP/CON party is giving these people money to buy these weapon!
MR.R you are a certified RACIST and you are proud of it, you have no respect for BLACK MEN! and you wonder why Black Men on this BLOG VENT! it is because of white men like you, you will not let up! you refuse to see the truth, and the truth is, White Men such as yourself carry the BLOOD of your ancestor's on your hand's! they caused this HELL and you intend to finish it! even if it mean's Destroying the country that you say love!
Grinder and MR.R go and read the WILLIE LYNCH letter! pull that name up on your computer!
Thanks, field--I found a Tim Wise mention back in June of 2008, which is before I started reading your blog. The link to Jack & Jill was broken, however, so I didn't get to read Wise's letter regarding HRC and her disappointed supporters. I'll keep looking for that.
Here the list again...On Sept 4, (before Labor day, ie. we labor this country for free for over 400 year, it should be our Xmas day), per Attorney Warren Ballatine, open a bank account with a Black own bank.
Boycott, I mean stop buying products..
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Mr R. Obama is yo Massa. Don't forget that you asshole. I would love it if all the white people like you would just be put in concentration camps and gassed out.
M. Rigmaiden said...
As an aside, poster KID I already told you I think FOX news is a propagandist site, this of course, is proof in the pudding.
11:24 PM
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Tell me where is the Republiklan party at to repudiate Beck?You just noticed the Nigger jokes at FOX? The right is now saying that the health reform is reparations.The right are sending out "dog whistles" to KILL BLACK PEOPLE. I know you are a genius but damn why the hell can't you see that? If the poor aren't helped then communism might be the only thing that will save America.Where I live some people live off about $8,000.00 a year.
The next time you go to your tea party look at what the people are saying behind your back. I seen you tubes of bigots holding up Hitler signs calling the President Nigger.At a Texas tea party the Klan and the Aryan Nation showed up. Ask yourself why is it that the party you belong to allow the Klan and Nazi's to recruit openly?
Whitney how the hell was Gates wrong for freaking out? You come back home to get arrested for being accused of breaking into your own home? Why do all the white people want to blame Skip at all? I get it because you don't like to see mirrors of yourselves,i.e. Crowley. I get so sick of you fucking crackas. You all would rather black people sit back and not say shit about being mistreated because of our race, because that means you always have to question yourself and your own racism. Most of you are. I don't trust any of you Klan members. I HATE many of you.
I will gladly be judged as the angry, hate-filled Black who despises White people.
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I am so in agreement with you. Except I really do despise white people. When it all boils down they are too filled with hate to see past it. So why should I try and understand them. Fuck em
Sorry to get off topic Field, but I FOUND LARK VOORHIES! Check the current cover of people. :0)
Carry on...
People Magazine, that is...
Field,
I've noticed that a popular epithet amongst the right wing assholes is "Obama-lover". Sound familiar? Talk about dog whistle racism.
These days, only the unreconstructed scumbags still use the term "nigger-lover". The ones with "black friends" now use the term "Obama-lover".
The above poster who states that we should boycott companies who sponsor Fox "News" is right. We all know that the almighty dollar is where it's at, so we need to hold on to ours and let these companies know why. We should ask for the resignation of Glenn Beck (AKA the loose cannon) or at least an apology. Yes We Can. Below is another partial list of Fox News Sponsors...you can go online to get their addresses if you would like to write or e-mail them to let them know what is up.
adobe
american express
astra zeneca
avaya
ameriquest mortgage
at & t
BMW
the bayer group
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I like the idea of the boycott, but with all of those auto makers listed I'll be stuck taking public transportation because there won't be any cars left to buy.
Field -- Did you see Larry Elder on Larry King tonight? He agreed with Officer Friendly --I mean, Crowley.
You are on a roll with this one, Field! This quote says it all: "Beck will always get corporate sponsors who want his show to do well, because this type of rhetoric divides the races and plays right into their (the corporations) hands. God forbid poor black and white people ever get together in this country, it would shake up the entire apple cart."
That is exactly it. The corrupt corporate (white male) power structure of this society always has and still has an intense interest in dividing those of us who work for a living - to keep us fighting each other, instead of fighting them. The race war is an offshoot - a long-term strategy and a short-term tactic of a class war that began long before our nation was born. Black and white poor folks marched together in comradeship in Bacon's Rebellion, way back in 16-whatever-it-was, and rich WASP men have been intentionally stirring the racial stew ever since. Divide and conquer. It worked then, it works now.
Anon. 12:40:
"I really do despise white people. When it all boils down they are too filled with hate to see past it. So why should I try and understand them. Fuck em"
I've seen "the stare" y'all have to put up with too often - been invited to join in it. I don't know whether that helps me to understand racism in America, but I do know it makes me sick to my stomach. I feel sad seeing you express yourself this way. We european-americans are no more the single entity than y'all are; we are individuals, widely divergent in our views and understanding. Believe it or not, I'm on your side. And I really think we'd all do better if we could share dialogue, and at least try to understand each other. I know I'm interested in understanding you.
May you be blessed.
Dear Brother Field
I hope you were able to watch Larry Elder on the Larry King show tonight. If you need an example of a house negro, he is your boy!
They were talking about the Gates thing and he could not be held back from jumping to the defense of any white man who was mentioned by either Larry King or the other guests. It was an amazing example of tomming, cooning and jigging, the likes of which I have not seen since I was a child in the '50s.
I think you should have a special award for those who go all out to defend white privilege and impunity. Maybe the "Brass Raccoon" or something like that. So many contenders!
Nope, I'm not surprised either. This is Glenn Beck, the same asshole that co-signed his guest's insane assertion that only Osama Bin Laden could "save America" with mass carnage. The man is certifiable and I don't say that lightly.
Oh and personally, I think ya'll are giving Grinder a bad rap.
I'm hardly convinced that the caller lady was racist. Nope, not at all. If anyone thinks my diversion from the "party line" somehow makes me a Tom/HN/Coon.....eat a dick hater, you obviously don't know me.
As for the Justin Barrett e-mail...wow. What a clusterfuck of words. It reads like a Sarah Palin keynote address to a national KKK convention:
you state Gates is "this immensely famous expext on race" - you really have to be kidding me? Famous for what? Expert why and says who? What has he done for me and my family? What has he done for the law enforcement community or military veterans or to secure freedoms and borders in this country? What has he done to help limit and reduce my income tax?
O_O
Yeah, that would fire up the crowd at KlanKon09. "SA-RAH! SA-RAH!" Because apparently you're only a race expert if you cut Officer Racist Fuckwit's taxes and help him pay his bills on time.
"Oh and personally, I think ya'll are giving Grinder a bad rap."
I agree. And I hope grinder does not leave, although today I can understand his frustration. Quite often, he has been reflective and provided information otherwise missed on this blog and I appreciate it.
Hey Field
I totally agree with Grinder when one is wrong he need to correct himself dont be a (reactionaire) or a xerox, back your facts before you post it.
When it come to that dummy Glen Beck I say fuck him and anything Murdoch own .
On point!
When I heard about the Beck comments I was stunned. Why would anyone believe him? Did he forget how close Obama was with his white mama? His friends, his colleagues?
Anyone who thinks President "these are the United States" Obama, has some deep hatred of white people, needs to put down the drugs.
So, since Obama hates white people, am I to assume that in his self loathing, he's going to have plastic surgery, make his skin darker, increase the size of his nose and stick a bone in it?
Or is he just really a Black Republican in disguise...
To all the RACIST & MR. R.
Are you on FN to contribute to the discussion or antagonize folks trying to find solutions to problems?
GENUINE RACIST ARE ON STORM FRONT or HAARETZ.com. not on a blog called Field Negro. IF YOU ARE "REAL RACIST" at least throw in a couple of "JEWS" every so often. GENUINE RACIST hate Jews more than blacks anyway.
P.S.
MR. R. Do you really want me to post "Doing something White" again?.
Beck is insulting me.
Glenn Beck can sit his drunk azz punkazz behind down and shut the f$#@ up.
Sidebar: Negro, I guess you and I will never run for office because of the ish we talk on our blogs. LOL
http://charactercorner.blogspot.com/2009/07/wake-up-america.html
@kathy:
"@Black Diasporora, I read your post over and over, and tell truth, I just am not as good a person as you, i still feel anger at bsweet, and, i can't stand to look at her icon. I sorry about that."
Don't be sorry. If you feel anger, so be it.
But, I don't feel anger at you or at her. If you knew what I knew, you wouldn't feel it, either.
But I must correct you on one thing: We're All The Same.
The only difference: I know it, and you don't. But you will.
I have nothing that you don't have.
Here's a conundrum: The two of you have been more of a blessing to other than a curse.
And you will thank all that is, that you spent a moment with the other. And will regret that you didn't draw it out longer.
Believe me!
Yep, grinder decided to take his ball and go home. I think this has been a "teachable moment" for him.
It's all Jody's fault. Philly people can be so in your face tough.
Anon 12:41 AM, I will be out looking for my People Magazine issue today. :)
mesha, thanks for that list. I hope it does some good.
@Anon 12:19
If you had read what I said, you would have noticed that I also said I would be freaking out. How dare you call ME a cracka. That is just plain stupid. I am not a cracka and if you had ever read anything else I've written you would know that.
The MSM is filling it's airwaves with a bunch of gobbily gook to take away from real issues, real examples of racial profiling and serious racism in this country.
Take for example Lou Dobbs and the Birthers. This should be reported and denounced by other media, yet it is not.
Then, there is a report, small blurb in my local paper that the Department of Homeland Security has been racially blogging on anti-immigrant sites. I'm all over that one today so that I can post something on my blog about it.
I do A LOT of highway traveling and let me tell you, racial profiling is alive and well in Amurdica. I see blacks and browns that have been pulled over all the time, who are made to open their trunks, doors, etc., and often contents of the vehicle are strewn around the verge. The whites I see pulled over are in their vehicles with the cops addressing them there.
For Gates to have made such a big deal, and because he is elitist anyway, he has cheapened the issue for the real folks who are f****d with for driving or being at home while black or brown.
And, that is a FACT!
Oh Field, there you go again. Blamin it on whitey -;}
@Field,
I don't think Grinder's gone. He'll be back. His side of the debate is good for us all because he does look into things and thinks fairly most of the time, no matter how hot headed some folks get about him.
Maybe, when he's speaking the truth, folks just don't want to hear it.
OMG!! Kid you’ve got to be kidding me!
Whit people are racists because they call blacks names and even worse want to consider them second
class citizens!!!
Holy Crap! That would be wrong to feel that way about an entire race.
Guess that makes you a fucking racist!
Asshole !
Richard Cranium
@Grinder: "...and when his cheering section overwhelmingly despises whites, you're right -- it's time to split."
Grinder, I was content to let you rant to your heart's content until you blurted out the statement above.
Don't you think you're a bit sanctimonious to attack Field for "exchanges of hatred," and then turn around and say that commenters here, his "cheering section overwhelmingly despises whites...."
Now, you're disillusioned: Field didn't live up to your expectations of "truth, justice, and the American way."
Well, I could be disillusioned that you, being white, turned on us blacks when we failed to give you the support you believe was due you.
We welcomed you here, albeit, a fractured alliance at times, but we were mostly polite, listened, critiqued, and was critiqued.
You want to know what comes to mind? You were the good white man that wanted to hang out with a bunch of blacks, but only as long as we didn't do something, or say something, that offended white womanhood, or was patently a lie about whites.
Now, I can think of many remarks that you've made about blacks that troubled me, but at no time did I (and many others here) return the favor.
And now, our only thanks, as you exit the blog, is that we "overwhelmingly despises whites...."
"I follow him to serve my turn upon him."
kiddie said-
I know you are a genius but damn why the hell can't you see that? If the poor aren't helped then communism might be the only thing that will save America.Where I live some people live off about $8,000.00 a year.
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hey, kiddie thought you may want to know what your man in doing with his hard earned money....
Mr Obama and the First Family are planning to spend their summer break on a $20 million retreat on the wealthy playground island off Cape Cod.
Richard Cranium
@Seda: "And I really think we'd all do better if we could share dialogue, and at least try to understand each other. I know I'm interested in understanding you.
"May you be blessed."
Excellent response, Seda, but I suspect, at times, that many of the vile comments are not from blacks, but from those who wish to turn whites away.
Here in cyberspace you can be whoever you wish to be, and we won't know the difference.
Their mindset: If one tactic doesn't work, try, try again.
Would you believe that I'm from the future, here to boggle the minds of mere mortals? There was such a character by the name of John Titor, a Web sensation.
"Mr Obama and the First Family are planning to spend their summer break on a $20 million retreat on the wealthy playground island off Cape Cod."
Richard Cranium
Good for them. I hope they send postcards.
And we get the joke, Dick Head.
I know field wants to keep ya'll is mind focus on stuff that doesn't matter a hill of beans to most clear thinking folks but this is real ya'll.
Ya'll know that Bush/Cheney shadow government that field and other moonbats bitched and cried about?
From the NYTimes--
Government officials familiar with the plans tell The New York Times that the initiative began during the final months of the Bush administration, and the Obama administration decided to leave it in place.
The White House Military Office will now lead the way in installing a “shadow government” should officials have to leave the capital because of a terrorist strike or some other catastrophe. The contingency plans include moving those officials to Mount Weather, Va. and running backup computer systems.
No back to bitching about Beck while we forget we said much worse about Bush.
"Now"
MESHA SAID:
Here the list again...On Sept 4, (before Labor day, ie. we labor this country for free for over 400 year, it should be our Xmas day), per Attorney Warren Ballatine, open a bank account with a Black own bank.
Boycott, I mean stop buying products..
Major Fox Advertisers (Thanks to David P. Martin!)
___________________________________
mesha sweetie: i haven't checked your facts about the racisit FOX Co.'s you listed above BUT bet you didn't know that out of the Top Ten Minority Employers (according to The Root)
1. Verizon Comm.
2.Coca-Cola
5. Procter & Gamble
are on your boycoot list.....
hummm wouldn't that hurt minority employers if you boycotted them?
now wait ti would hurt FOX...no wait it hurt minorities....
oh, hell i don't know what to do?
Richard Cranium
"now wait ti would hurt FOX...no wait it hurt minorities...."
What ya'll is don't is field negros are like white Democrats. They are willing to sell black folk down the river if it advances their agenda.
A race war is coming...years ago i use to think at my job the whites love me but yet hate my brother who is a darker shade than I am although we are born from the same mom and dad. Now that i have experienced what my brother has been getting for a long time, i too understand as well as Gates. We thought because our skin was closer to theirs we would get a pass. lol. I hate that now i no longer trust "the man" I hate that I maybe unconscionally giving my children the same bias. Beck isnt just influencing the "whites" trust he is influencing me as well..just not the way he wants. Its up to me to protect my house and mine.
Did Y'all know Glenn Beck is a..................
Mormon????
I know, that means he wears that funny underwear and doesn't drink coffee... And his church just accepted that y'all could be saved in 1974......
Y'all Field Negros really gonna boycott Walmart??? That'll just leave the Mexicans... Oh I buy stuff there, just on line, didya kno you can even get their store brand pork rinds delivered right to your door???
OK, you gotta pay S&H but its worth every penny not to get stuck behind some Mammy tryin to buy Malt Liquor with food stamps...
Oh, and Circuit City went out of business last year, guess you showed them....
Frank
I saw that HNOTD (KELLY KING)last week on CNN. That head full of hair talking about not voting for POTUS next election because of that BS w/ Gates...ROFL!!!
It never ceases to amaze me how toothless inbred goobers like Mr. R think they know what black folks should be concerned about or how the Dems are selling blacks down the river.
Why don't you tell us how you (or the nation in general) benefitted from 8 years of almost total Republican rule?
well then steve-o splain how The Root(Gates'site) can support verizon, coca-cola and proctor&gamble when then such big ass black haters?????
Alright. I'm going to chime in as one of your white readers here. I guess it's time for my 'teachable' moment.
Woman sees black men woman calls 911. You believe her when she says she didn't see the men's race, I say bullshit! And most black people would say bullshit as well. - Field
Okay, so you're saying that black people will vote along racial lines on a jury no matter what the facts are. Gotcha. If that's true it's a shame, but I guess that's life in America. - Grinder
I wouldn't have taken it that black people will vote racial lines on a jury so much as I would be skeptical that she can't see 'color' when she's looking out her window straight at with her ear glued to the phone reporting it. Meaning, she may not be able to see their exact race but she can certainly see that they are not Lilly white which, I think, might be Field's entire point. If they were, she wouldn't have called in the first place.
That said, I have to admit, my gut reaction at first was...why did Gates blow things out of proportion when asked for a simple ID? And I know why I had this reaction. The sum of my experiences includes a brother as a law enforcement officer. I also think it's awful easy for white people to tell black people how they 'should' behave with law enforcement.
All this said, I gotta say, this incident has made me realize we (both races) have a long way to go when it comes to speaking the same language. Some of it is just a matter of simple communication and light bulbs coming on. It was only this week that I realized that when the phrase 'white privilege' is used, the context is more in line with privilege from discrimination as opposed to having everything handed to us. Whoever said that this week on here, that was illuminating. The only thing I would add to it is that not all of us are sequestered from discrimination just because we are white however and, yeah, while it can be hidden for awhile, that doesn't make it right.
And some of this racial divide goes far beyond communication where we have people that just have no interest in 'teachable moments'. I read sites, for example, that have young white men that cannot conceive of this blog and what is spoken about here nor have they any interest in doing so. Which makes me discouraged because, young as they are, I see no improvement in the near future.
Which brings me to Grinder. I've read this blog for probably the past year now. I don't post a lot but, it seems to me, that he's always been respectful if not the target audience. The fact that he's now considering 'taking his ball and going home' when he's been a frequent participant here is just another indication of how divisive incidents like this can be in breaking down what has previously been dialogue - even if you don't always agree, but dialogue - and that's a shame.
Alright. I'm done.
-T
if you dare look- bambi's #'s in the toilet, hell it took bush 4 yrs almost to get to this point. what is he doing??? oh, forgot change....lol
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121199/Obama-Weekly-Job-Approval-Demographic-Groups.aspx
Field,
Good piece about that Polygamist Glenn Beck, so whats with the photo of Senator Byrd????
And I sorta like the Mulatto in Chief, McCain would have already shut down Gitmo, repealed Dont Ask Dont Smell, and instituted a Healthcare plan that the old people wouldn't notice...Really, how hard is it to keep stuff from old people??? You don't come right out and tell them the only doc they'll see after age 75 is Kevorkian...
And whats with the black hand add??
Sorta creepy,
Frank
Just because the caller did not mention race in her 911 call does not mean that race was not her motivating factor for calling 911.
It is tantamount to a cop pulling over a black driver on the NJ Turnpike, who has done nothing wrong. The cop does not mention race, but it does not mean that race was not a motivating factor.
Further, look at where this call took place-- a liberal NE college town, most people there are not going to mention race in a 911 call.
A certain segment of our population are being naive and oblivious as usual.
This "beer summit" is stupid. A "public conversation" on race is as futile as church service on Sunday, because on Monday the parishioners will go back to sinning (business as usual).
Good Morning, everyone.
Color of Change.com and the Southern Poverty Law Center are campaigning to have FOX dump Lou Dobbs for his outrageous and biased views under the guise of journalism:
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/stop-propaganda/
http://www.colorofchange.org/dobbs/?id=2929-684773
FN,
You might want to pick up the upcoming issue of People b/c they're featurig a Save By The Bell Reunion and I don't need to tell you what that means.
Here's a sneak peek of the cover:
http://tinyurl.com/nn6sqb
"are campaigning to have FOX dump Lou Dobbs"
lou doesn't work for FOX.But thats what happens when your blinded by your ideology.
Dark Moon, you said what I have been thinking and feeling, and in a manner far more eloquent than I could myself. Thank you.
Lisa J
Seda, thank you for what you just said. I think we black folks have to be careful to differentiate between a white supremacist power structure and individual white people, especially those who are anti-racist white allies. Thanks to you and Whitney and Race Traitoress and any other white "fellow travelers". Grinder, I don't get you. SOmetimes you are on point and other times you seem kind of oblivious. It seems like you half try and half fall into too many of the thinking traps laid by our Eurocentric, white supremacist system. A few folks have been heated, but by and large I think most folks on here are kind and are trying to have a dialogue. There are a few knuckleheads but that isn't everyone. I think Sharon was right, and to parahphrase what Bill Cosby always said on Fat Albert, sit back and you might learn something. It seems like you do less listening and learning and more fighting and riling up.
Sharon,
you magnificent Twit,
Lou Dobbs is on CNN, not Fox...
and whats with Your Aunt Jemimah wrap??? I bet when you get one of those thows they give you a free bowl of soup....
Looks good on YOU though,
Frank
I caught this story this morning. WOW. Now THIS is something to be angry about! I hope the guy never works in any job that requires human contact.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/29/massachusetts.officer.email/index.html
LisaMJ: "A few folks have been heated, but by and large I think most folks on here are kind and are trying to have a dialogue. There are a few knuckleheads but that isn't everyone. I think Sharon was right, and to parahphrase what Bill Cosby always said on Fat Albert, sit back and you might learn something. It seems like you do less listening and learning and more fighting and riling up."
Yes, there are a few knuckleheads on this blog and it isn't grinder, either. As far as sitting back, listening and learning I have seen grinder do just that but I haven't seen folks like you give him much credit. You want to criticize him and paint him as wrong for seeking out truth and 'clarity'. That makes you suspect as an "uncle tom", i.e. a 'sellout' when it comes to standing up for the TRUTH. You would rather seek approval of others while the truth be damned!
Anonymous,
If you're looking for black folks to nod their heads reflexively to yours and grinder's racist drivel, you'll have to go a black conservative blog.
Liberted black folks don't play that.
Rudy-"This "beer summit" is stupid. A "public conversation" on race is as futile as church service on Sunday, because on Monday the parishioners will go back to sinning (business as usual)."
You nailed it! Not only that, Americans lack the mental and emotional skills to discuss racism, let alone eradicate it. This ugly karmic beast is with us to stay...it's in our bones.
US, "Liberted black folks don't play that."
Who are your liberated black folks and what defines a liberated black person? I didn't know you were the spokesman for so many humans. Did God tell you to do it?
@ Kathy -
I'm sorry you don't like my icon. That is me. It's who I am. You can like me or lump me, but I figured to be honest I need to put myself out there.
@ BD - Again, thank you for giving me a snowball's chance.
Mostly I sit back and just read here, but if I have some opinion I will say it. I do think a lot of black people on here hate white people kind of in general. It's my part as a white person to hopefully shed the myths and to open lines of communication amongst ourselves, black-white community.
However you got here, you're here now. You and me. Let's make this world a better place for ourselves, and for our children.
To the person who thinks all white people have 666 tattooed on our foreheads - you know what? I checked. Not there. Unless it's only visible by you?
"Color of Change.com and the Southern Poverty Law Center are campaigning to have FOX dump Lou Dobbs for his outrageous and biased views under the guise of journalism"
Forget it. CNN won't fire Lou Dobbs. He's good for ratings. The more attention people give to Dobbs, the bigger the ratings. The bigger the ratings, the more money CNN makes!
If you don't like Lou, don't watch him.
Rudy-"This "beer summit" is stupid. A "public conversation" on race is as futile as church service on Sunday, because on Monday the parishioners will go back to sinning (business as usual)."
You nailed it! Not only that, Americans lack the mental and emotional skills to discuss racism, let alone eradicate it. This ugly karmic beast is with us to stay...it's in our bones.
Neither side wants to acknowledge their faults. Both sides believe they come to this discussion with clean hands.
uptownsteve said...
Anonymous,
If you're looking for black folks to nod their heads reflexively to yours and grinder's racist drivel, you'll have to go a black conservative blog.
Liberted black folks don't play that.
Liberted blacks play exactly the way white Democrats tell them to play.
Don't believe me??Just look around.
Forget it. CNN won't fire Lou Dobbs. He's good for ratings. The more attention people give to Dobbs, the bigger the ratings. The bigger the ratings, the more money CNN makes!
If you don't like Lou, don't watch him.
That is a very simple and effective solution. I wish others heed your advice.
Why are people a glutton for punishment?
"Who are your liberated black folks and what defines a liberated black person?"
I already explain this to you.
Liberated black people are ones who are proud of themselves and their community.
Who don't apologize for being black and don't endorse the hatred of sick bigots like you.
This blog really offends you because your sense of white superiority is constantly confronted and refuted.
You aren't used to black people saying what's on their mind even though you feel it is your birthright to express your views.
Since we're still talking Gates, I want to reiterate what I said the other day. If Gates had been white, the neighbor would NOT have called the police. If Gates had been white, the policeman would NOT have arrested him, no matter how mad Gates was, especially after the policeman found out the man was in his own darn house. And since we're talking white and black perspectives: I am a white, middle-aged, Southern man. Maybe because of my job as a paramedic, where I often have police on the scene, I'm able to state my opinion so emphatically. I see stuff. And if Gates had been white: no 911 call, and no arrest from Crumley.
Rudy said...
Neither side wants to acknowledge their faults. Both sides believe they come to this discussion with clean hands...
So tell me, what exactly did we as Black people brought here against our will do to dirty our hands in this country (not counting the dirt on our hands from slaving away)?
Well said Uptownsteve. I admire you 'cause you think just like me!
A Black man with intelligence who doesn't kow tow and walk on eggshells to appease whites is the biggest threat to their privileged existence. That's the real basis behind racism. As long as they can continue to suppress us and depress us, they will continue to opress us. Get a clue Black people; they can't stand us. Whether it shows on the surface, or it's buried deep within an elderly woman's 911 call; it's all the same. Even white people on this blog. If any of them could change their skin color at a moments notice, do you think they would? They would rather die than give up their white privilege.
Fact.
Whitney B.: Y'all know, there is a real lot of distraction from the REAL NEWS. Like the economy, health care, the two fake wars (police actions) etc. over this coverage of Gates-gate?
The fact of the matter is that this is dividing the races. Which, to my thinking, is so, so very wrong. And, quite frankly stupid, as in stupid in general, not that the po-lice acted stupidly, which they did.
Roderick: Whitney I think we can walk and chew gum at the same time. As a matter of fact I think one of the underlying problems that Obama is having with passing health care reform in the House is race. The Blue Dog Democrats are the ones gumming up the works and although they represent districts which McCain won last year I believe they are afraid to be associated with siding with a black man on legislation.
Case in point is Democratic Blue Dog Gene Taylor who represents south Mississippi in Congress. Dude said last year after Obama had wrapped up the nomination he didn’t know if he was going to attend the convention. I was like WTF?
And we know that Hillary played the race card several times at the end when thought she still had a shot at the nomination.
If such an isolated incident such as the one between Gates and Crowley can elicit so many polarized responses then just sweeping what divides us under the rug won’t work in the long term.
Many won't agree with what I'm going to say but in the interest of contributing to dialogue I'll throw in my two cents.
My gut reaction to the Gates drama was the President's. Officer Crowley acted stupidly. To paraphrase Bill Maher (whom I DO NOT agree with in all matters), Gates was arrested for not properly kissing the ass of Officer Crowley.
I disagree with the President's estimation of what constitutes the teachable moment here.
The teachable moment isn't the racism that can be perceived in the actions of Lucia Whalen or Officer Crowley. We all beat our heads against either side of the brick wall that keeps us from see the situation from the same perspective. Sure this is our right! But nothing is solved!
What can be learned is how to bring the issue of police abuse of power into the public discourse. Whether that abuse of power is due to racism or love of power cannot be easily proven.
What I've seen lately has been a small uptick in media coverage of police abuse of power. Sure the media has been selective and the victims of said abuse have been non-blacks, but as a POC I should be more concerned that the story is making it to a larger audience. Many people who have not been targeted by police and experienced abuse of police power have a hard time believing that it occurs at all and the burden of proof is on the accusers. The police receive a free pass. So it is a positive sign that this larger audience is exposed to these stories as it sheds light on an issue that affects every American.
If we could stop thinking of the Gates arrest as a racial issue and instead look at it as a police abuse of power issue we can attack a common problem from a common perspective.
I urge everyone to Google FOX's sponsors and e-mail them that you'll boycott their products until FOX stops broadcasting hate lies and racism. I did!
Divisions in this country are not just determined by class, because as the field mentioned, even the poor are separated by race
Shabazz
ON POINT.
I just came on to say this and I'm getting offline.
Boycotting their sponsors would not be a good idea, because it would hurt the economy more, the President, and people would lose more jobs. You would be falling into their trap.
Why not force Congress to make a law against lying on the News or holding Fox and CNN responsible for hate speech, because basically that is what it is. They need to start hauling the Fox crew to jail for inciting riots and hate speech. It's a difference between freedom of speech and hate speech. Also, inciting riots is a crime, if I'm not mistaken so is hate speech. And make not mistake that is what it is no matter how subtle they try spit it out. Or force Homeland Security to arrest them.
You can send letters and sign petitions to their sponsors and join the different civil rights org that are asking for them to take these people off the air and complain to FCC. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Work on thinking of how to do it, other than boycotting products.
BTW, J made a good suggestion too.
Uptownsteve,
WOW..I have always loved your work on the internet..orinocle/mellodrama/thrashere..checking in
We need to permanently find a new codeword to replace the word "racist". The word seems to do more harm than good in today's politically correct society. By the power invested in me, the word "racist" shall be replaced herefore after with a more correct and precise term, "dickhead", oops can i say that?
I think Lucia was racially profiling she just used prose license to navigate around it..No suprises in post racial "united we stand" america..
I am really going to love this site..
I need so therapy and Black healing as an activist shit gets funky and lonely out here...
BTW I am concerned about the wrath of the sleeping Giant aka white folks...Something could get real dark here..
lou doesn't work for FOX.But thats what happens when your blinded by your ideology. <<
I meant CNN...the people there should know better.
Frnak,
Actually the scarf to which you refer comes from Israel at www.tsnius.com.
Roderick,
I agree with you 100%. And, thank you for telling me about Gene Taylor, because I moved to Mississippi last year and he seemed to me to be a rather sensible Cracker. Fool me once.
The point I was trying to make, is that yes, this has become a REAL issue, a real "news item". However, if the MSM were doing its job (which it is not) the focus would be on REAL NEWS.
Like how many folks are dying in the 2 police actions and how much we're spending over there accomplishing zip.
How Congress is controlled by big corporate "health care" industries, and financial institutions. THAT is why we will never have decent health care reform...the single payer option.
The how and why of banks making greater profits than ever.
Tort reform isn't even on the table.
There have been no jobs created by the Shrub's first bail out and there are damn sure fewer jobs now.
Why are most American children hungry?
What's wrong with our educational system that a damn 18 y-o can't even read and gets graduated from high school. Case in point, my neighbor, who is WHITE BTW.
Why are blacks and browns the ones pulled over on freeways and their vehicles searched while the whites get to stay in theirs?
Look, the list goes on and on. There's a whole lot of trouble out there and these A**Holes make a big deal out of birth certificates and roosters.
Let's face it, this story wouldn't have gone anywhere if it had been you or me arrested by an opposite race because both of us were getting cranky.
And, Gates-Gate needs to end for the sake of the fact that there's a whole lot of real bad news out there that needs to get investigated (oh, yeah, I forgot, we don't have real broadcast journalists anymore!).
Nice little article in the Atlanta Urinal and Constipation about the arrest of the 4th Black Dude in the Execution Style murder of 2 Black Dudettes( and why do they call it "Execution Style"?? Georgia has lethal injection...)
Ya gotta look to find it, its on page B6 below the story about the Cat born without a face... And I don't KNOW its Africans involved, just doin some Profilin, cause with names like Jatavious, Marcel, Laticia, and Sharonda I don't think theyre oriental...
Y'all y'alls own worst enemies...
Frank
Greg Thrasher,
How the hell are you my brother?
Hope you stick around for awhile.
I always enjoy your commentary.
Thanks, Granny!
J
Kanye and Beck are both bigots. While Beck is an obvious example, Kanye is only slightly less so; for example, take Kanye's quote about interracial relationships and offspring: "If it wasn’t for race mixing there’d be no video girls. Me and most of our friends like mutts a lot. Yeah, in the hood they call ‘em mutts”.
When you think about is, Kanye has a much more of a negative effect on the black community because he actually has an influence on the young, unlike Beck.
Stop Frank.You know liberated black people ain't gots time for a silly thing like black on black murder.
They be to busy wit Glenn Beck.
Shabazz said...
Rudy said...
Neither side wants to acknowledge their faults. Both sides believe they come to this discussion with clean hands...
So tell me, what exactly did we as Black people brought here against our will do to dirty our hands in this country (not counting the dirt on our hands from slaving away)?
Perhaps, I should have qualified my statements and spoke for myself. Speaking for myself, I have a lot of baggage when it comes to the issue and race. I harbor extreme prejudice toward whites. Occasionally, I will encounter a white who "appears" to be cool; hence, I slightly lower my guard.
In other words, my disposition prevents me from participating in a so-called productive dialog on race. I suspect that some other blacks feel the same way.
Clear?
@Black Diaspora, thank you again, when I read your post today, and also about Grinder saying he will leave, I realize a good question for myself, do I want other white people to join the fields, or do I want to just get mad and angry. deep breath, thank you.
@Bsweet, the reason I say I not care for your icon is this, when you first come here, you were talking about sex and marrying Black men, kumbaya, and to me, your icon just reinforces that original post from you, however, as you say, that is you, I accept it, that is my reason.
Also, Bseeet, I don't remember where you posted about schools, but what I thought when I read it, was that your priority was academics, but not really about the best social environment for your children. Do you consider if your Mexican children will have peers and teachers who have the same history and ethnicity? Is that something important to you or not? Don't you think raising your children to join the fields is important? There is a really good website, called The Anti-Racist Parent, I haven't read them in a while, but I hope you read back through the posts, there are many good posts about education and raising children, and choosing schools.
Mr. R
What specifically would you like to see law abiding black people do about black murderers that we don't pay the cops to do?
Isn't just a fact that you don't feel that blacks have the right to confront white people?
And it really frustrates you that you can't do shit about what we say except get mad.
BSweet-"..I do think a lot of black people on here hate white people kind of in general. It's my part as a white person to hopefully shed the myths and to open lines of communication amongst ourselves, black-white community."
You are exactly right. Look at what happened to grinder. If you are trying to discover the truth, and they don't like it, quite a few will gang up on you based on your skin color--even though they know it's wrong.
Those who don't, won't speak against those in the wrong, either. The 'silent black majority' is no different from the 'silent white majority' when it comes to race. Neither will speak up for the sake of truth and doing what's right. By so doing, they remain complicit with those offenders of the truth.
Mr. R,
The real problem in the black community is the collapse of the family structure. It's now a rare thing for black children to have a father (or even a father figure) present in the house. Single mothers are much more likely to be mired in poverty than women who can rely on a mate. I think somebody else posted it on another thread but Louis Farrakhan summed up the current problems within the black community quite well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv_KU3aVvOw
Can you believe the arrogance of these trolls.
Us po dumb black folks just won't accept the ugly truth about ourselves, huh?
Anonymous, I'll bet a limb most of the black folks on this board could buy and sell your sorry ass ten times over.
Get it through your thick skull that you are in no position, moral or otherwise, to lecture black people or tell us what our problems are.
You are having great difficulty with this equality thing.
You can voice your opinion and I have the choice to accept or reject it.
You are not the wise father and we damn sure aren't the kids.
Deal with it.
@Bsweet, the reason I say I not care for your icon is this, when you first come here, you were talking about sex and marrying Black men, kumbaya, and to me, your icon just reinforces that original post from you, however, as you say, that is you, I accept it, that is my reason.
Also, Bseeet, I don't remember where you posted about schools, but what I thought when I read it, was that your priority was academics, but not really about the best social environment for your children. Do you consider if your Mexican children will have peers and teachers who have the same history and ethnicity? Is that something important to you or not? Don't you think raising your children to join the fields is important? There is a really good website, called The Anti-Racist Parent, I haven't read them in a while, but I hope you read back through the posts, there are many good posts about education and raising children, and choosing schools.
@ Kathy - I chose this neighborhood and school for many reasons. One of which is the fact that my mom lives here. I need help and Grandma is awesome.
The social environment is amazing at our schools. There are many races, and all are acknowledged and celebrated. I remember the Hindi woman (whose son is friends with my kid) when she first moved here. She was really concerned about being Muslim and Middle Eastern, and would her child be treated decently? We've become friends since then and I think she now knows that she and her family are welcome and a part of the process. But you are assuming that I chose a predominately white school. How do you know what the racial balance is? Our lives are enriched by culture, and that is true for my school. That's a BIG reason why I chose that school. Lots of different people, and my kids learn that people are people. If you saw my kids play with their friends, maybe you'd change your mind. I wish you could meet my kids! They are truly colorblind, in a way that even myself can never be. I raised them right.
I'm getting pretty tired of defending myself. I feel like people read what they want in my words and then attack me. I have read responses to my posts where it is clear that the person isn't hearing what I am trying to say. Maybe I am not clear in my speaking. Maybe people's minds are already made up. Maybe you read what you want to.
I have black friends and Hispanic friends and Asian and Middle Eastern and whatever else comes along. If I say, "Hi! My name's Wendy! What's yours?" I hope that you will respond kindly. I have put myself out on a limb here. My intention was to join, but I see that whatever I do or say people think what they want to anyway. Okay, not all of you. But enough that it's making me feel sh*tty about myself. The next time I am feeling a little too happy, I know where to go! LOL.
On this blog in the comments section, you will discover that there are white and black racists. You will find out that either all white people are devils or that black people are dumb, or whatever is the opinion of the person who is writing at the time. I was hoping to find common ground, but I am instead rebuffed.
I reach out my hand to find myself made fun of. Guess what? I don't need it. I guess I will come back here, but it is very discouraging. I'd much rather seek a blog where people are actually having conversations about how to make things better.
Again, I apologize to those I have offended. I encourage you to write me at home if you are at all interested in making friends with the other humans. Here I am! My email is in my profile.
Take care.
I wanted to also offer thank yous to Dark Moon. That was really helpful.
/relurking
uptownsteve,
Take your foot out of your ass and the chip off your shoulder. Farrakhan could school your ass all day long and all night. All you are is a two-bit-reactionary with nothing of any consequence to say. You don't give a frog's fat ass about anything except your own ego and self importance.
Anonymous,
Are you upset? LOL!!
But I will tell you once again that if you can't deal with your pompous white male sensibilities being offended then maybe you should blog somewhere else.
Most of the black people on this board are educated, successful accomplished people who are not about to be cowed by your incessant rants about crime and illigetimacy.
Those issues do not define our personal lives and is obviously a diversionary tactic on your part to shift any conversation dealing with white racism.
I've done plenty of community and mentoring work so I am well aware of the problems of the inner city and attempt to do my part to make a bad situation somewhat better.
But I will never allow a small minded bigot like you to define the black community by crime and out of wedlock births.
@Bsweet, I wasn't attacking, I was just posing questions that I was wondering about, things that I thought while reading your post. I am sorry if I made you think I was putting you on the defensive.
Field,
I have House Negro nomonations: the CNN Tony anchor and his guest Boyce Watkins and the other guy who is always on as a colored commentator - no one of those black men mentioned the falsified or embellished police report.
Bsweet, your reaction is understandable. Any white person who posts here has been through it. What we need to do is look for the cracks in the sidewalk. That's where the grass grows, and over time it overwhelms the concrete. Grass is stronger than it looks.
Obviously, I came back here. It occurs to me that I am just as hooked on this stupid Gates story as anyone is. For some reason it draws me like a moth to a flame. I think it's less the story itself than a phenomenon I've noticed in myself in which I ignore most "little stories," but when I pay attention I pay a whole LOT of attention.
I have repeated myself too much in these threads, so to the extent I say anything more about l'affair Gates I will try to say something I haven't said before.
Here is something I haven't said before. Right next to Cambridge, there is the town of Somerville, most of which is far less upscale. It used to be lily white, i.e., fulla Micks, but now it's three-quarters white, with Hispanics, blacks, and Asians roughly splitting the minority population.
As I look at Gates, I think he paid something of a price that day for being black. I think that price was counterbalanced by his being a Harvard professor. If he'd been an ordinary Mick and found a way to mouth off in a similar fashion, under similar circumstances, to a Somerville cop, I have relatively little doubt that he'd have not only been in jail, but that he'd have nursing a loose tooth or three.
Most people here, including Field, don't want to hear that. But it's what I think. Others will differ. Finally, before anyone interprets this comment as an endorsement of Gates's arrest or of police brutality, please try to go find some of the other things I've written. That's the flip side of not doing the repetition act all the time.
Read the Willie Lynch letter!!! I would dare DRACKMAN, GRINDER, and MR.R to take a look at the past TRANSGRESSION'S of the WHITE MAN!!!
Field Negro, you were writing from the depth's of your SOUL as a Black Man, I hear your cry!
The difference between you and MR.R,is you have proof that RACISM was instated by White Men in America! so that alone give's you the right to condemn the act's of injustice! you as a MAN stand for JUSTICE, so you are in good FAVOR with GOD!
Field you are a pretty Brave Black Man* you continue to speak up, and that's why men like DRACKMAN,! MR.R, and Grinder Challenge your Manhood! they are sent to your BLOG to DESTROY your MINDSET!
These men are what you would call (SPY'S)! they come in to listen and see just how committed you are! they have used every tactic in the book to try to dehumanize you and the thing's you write and stand for, this is called strategy! if they can get just one Black Man to break, then their work is done! notice how they all seem to write in the same PATTERN! they are more than likely the same person! Grinder included! but he pretend's to be a little low key!
Drackman and MR.R have called you every name in the BOOK! these men have been reduced down to the last denominator as human being's! the word's that they write are beyond ANGER and RAGE! and trust me they believe each and every word they write! it is called mind conditioning! their forefather's truly left them a LEGACY of confusion! in their mindset WRONG is RIGHT!!!!
These Men SCARE me just from the thing's they write, but, then again, they are speaking in behalf of other men that have the same MINDSET! now, that's really Scary can you imagine that, God created these HUMAN BEING'S! yes, GOD created these men but, he did not give them this MINDSET!
DRACKMAN and MR.R when I read the comment's on this BLOG, I rush pass your comment's! you two men make me get up and DOUBLE CHECK my door, the truth is, God only know's where people like you ROAM!!!
@ Anon 3:22PM,
Yeah, and I'll bet he's the one that called me a cracka and said he HATEs me in one of his little Anon postings. Ah well, I guess because Alicia B has been silent today, he's got to pick on sensible folks who aren't racists and who are realists as well.
C'est la vie!
Whit
my word verification was "acusse". Well, not the same spelling, but.........
S.Fish in the NYT had commentary about the legacy of Gates and his tenure at Duke and how whites and black ph.d's gave him the blues...
Yet the best article on Gates is done by I.Reed on counterpunch it is awesome..he does note how Gates on a number of levels with his nonsense about race etc..
From my vantage point I evolved pass the color blind mantra decades ago it simply makes no sense to ignore the cultural assets one brings to the marketplace.
I am now about advancing my cultural dna as I become an elder and evolve me..Of course as a Black man I am a genius and my worth is off the charts..
What I love about some Black folks is the power and essence of ego and self ..I like the verve on this site the therapy of other progressive Black folks not giving a fuck about white and black apologists etc..
There is some good soil in here to cultivate for a while..It is refreshing and raw..I need that as a Black senior I do not want to be lone ranger anymore as aBlack activist...
Hi Field, What a lovely surprise it was to hear you on my local NPR station (WBUR Boston). Excellent job as always.
The most difficult aspect of racism is seeing that all involved are victims.
I know that most people do not want to hear such a thing, but it's the truth.
White people are not born Neo-Nazis anymore than black kids are born Crips or Bloods.
The majority of racists are taught.
I worked with numerous gang bangers who joined a gang because that's what the other males in the family did.
Same thing with many racists.
But not everyone is taught.
Some kids become racists because they are looking for a way to release their rage.
Maybe they were abused at home or maybe their peers bullied them. Whatever the reason, many racists are looking to vent, and they seek out those that have even less power.
That is what makes racism such a difficult issue with which to deal.
Racism doesn't have to be taught because it permeates, radiates throughout our culture.
At some point, kids figure it out, even if no one said a word.
How do you stop it?
I am not excusing racists nor am I pretending to be one of those people who loves his enemies.
I do not.
But when I honestly think about these deep rooted issues, when I look at them through the lens of Sociology, I find myself overwhelmed because so many of our social problems are intertwined.
Is it human nature to be self destructive? Is all of this part of a conspiracy to maintain the status quo? Or, is it chance that our destructive behaviors benefit those who wish to maintain power?
Is there even an answer? And if there isn't an answer, does that mean there's no solution?
No other nation on earth has such a racially charged history.
We are literally standing on the bones of millions of people who were murdered only because they looked, and acted differently.
How can that not affect us?
@shabazz
Get a clue Black people; they can't stand us. Whether it shows on the surface, or it's buried deep within an elderly woman's 911 call; it's all the same. Even white people on this blog. If any of them could change their skin color at a moments notice, do you think they would? They would rather die than give up their white privilege.
You don't know me.
Neither do you want to; fair enough.
But I've heard this "what if" scenario before, and while it may be true in the main, it isn't true of everyone. I would rather I didn't wear the skin color of the world's oppressors.
Kathy, let BSweet know that you are white so she doesn't say it was a black woman hating on her photo. She is gonna try to say black women envy her.
Rudy-"Why are people a glutton for punishment?"
It is known that people are addicted to television, excitement, sensationalism and high drama. Lou Dobbs, O'Reilley, Hannity, Glen Beck, provide this in the arena of news entertainment. They know the more outrageous things they say, the bigger their ratings are going to be. I bet that their black viewers are growing as well as their white viewers. Haven't you noticed that there is a growing number of Blacks, on a daily basis, who are talking and blogging about Lou Dobbs, O'Reilley and Glen Beck?
Who in their right mind would listen to, and talk about the crap those folks throw out over that boob tube? Blacks, liberal Whites, Conservatives, Dems, and Repubs will listen. Why? because they are addicted to their crappy feelings of anger, fear, lust and hate. That's why people become exhausted and have to take breaks from that shit. And believe me, it IS shit. But like shit eating dogs, once you have developed the taste for it, they have to have it as part of their diet.
What about those commentators who deliver information without offending Blacks? Their ratings aren't as half as strong as O'Reilley's. Many Blacks hardly even mention their names. But you can find Limbaugh, Hannity, Lou Dobbs, O'Reilley, and Glen Beck all over the black blogosphere everyday. Those offended say those broadcasters are all sick.
But who's sicker? The ones doing the talking or the one's listening and responding to them?
America is an emotionally sick country.
@Grinder,
I don't always agree with what you say, but I think you do the research and decide for yourself.
Take a look at my previous post @ Roderick 1:49PM.
Intelligent discourse is appreciated by me, anyway. (The mud slingers only show their own petard, as it were.) That's why I couldn't stay away too long either.
I have too much respect for folks like Granny, Prophetess, Black Diaspora, Jody, Kid and you and many others.
Mostly Field, because he usually hits a home run.
Anony 3:54, I have said many,many times that I am white, also, I think I explain why I didn't like it.
whoa Whitney, you don't like mud slingers but Kid slings more mud than fifth graders.
nobody can ever guess who I am mwaaaaaaa
Kathy "@Bsweet, the reason I say I not care for your icon is this, when you first come here, you were talking about sex and marrying Black men, kumbaya, and to me, your icon just reinforces that original post from you, however, as you say, that is you, I accept it, that is my reason.
Also, Bseeet, I don't remember where you posted about schools, but what I thought when I read it, was that your priority was academics, but not really about the best social environment for your children...."
Kathy, you are so negative. I bet when you go into a donut shop where there are some really delicious donuts, you bitch about the 'hole' in the donut instead of how good they are.
Yo grinder,
If it makes you feel any better, I left a few posts over at "frontpagemag.com" (a white conservative website)today and they didn't appreciate my contributions one bit.
As a matter of fact, I was called nigger so much I thought they changed my forum name.
White folks can be so emotional sometimes.
anoymous 11:41 when exactly have I ever had a fight with grinder or called him names? NEVER!!! I've only had one fight with some woman once who isn't here anymore who said I was making generalizations when I was giving her stats from the Census bureau. How dare you accuse me of things I didn't do. And as for Grinder, I said sometimes he is fine and makes a fair point but other times I think he is wrong/off point and picks fights. I'm going to pick a fight with you right now and tell you to take a long walk off of a short pier. Stupid ass. Man or woman up and at least make up a damn name. Coward.
Something else I have not said:
I usually view racism in intensely personal terms. (Not always, as I will explain later, but usually.) I think this is an outgrowth of what might be a genetically-based personality trait. No one ever taught it to me: I detest bullying and bullies to a degree that I literally can't capture in words. I have a "protector" streak a mile wide, and it has led me to do things for individuals throughout my life.
If I see or hear of someone being bullied, I see red. Don't care who the bully is, or who the bullied is. To me, one-on-one racism is bullying, and I detest it with every cell of my body. I have quite literally put myself in between bullies and the bullied, and I'll probably do it again.
I reacted as I did to Field's words about Lucia Whalen because I saw bullying there. I'm a white man, and I am intimately familiar with the unspoken codes. I look at her and saw someone who did the right thing and who's being bullied for it. That's why I stalked off into the night yesterday.
Institutional racism is real, but I don't have the same genetic reaction. There, my reaction tends to be intellectual, and "policy driven," if you will.
There is one shining exception that immediately comes to mind, and that is New Orleans. I saw a TV commentator last night who remarked that whites tend to see New Orleans as "government incompetence," while blacks see it as "institutional racism."
As it concerns New Orleans, I am black as coal. I view it as literally attempted genocide. It is no surprise to me that the perpetrator was the same presidential administration that devised and implemented torture. To me, New Orleans and torture stand hand-in-hand. They'd better never make me emporer, because some necks would be six inches longer.
This is the way I see things. I realize there are gaps and inconsistencies. Rather than try to fill them in with empty words, I think it's better to tell you how I think and let those chips fall where they may.
uptownsteve! I am LOL, you are really a throw back from my day, I didn't think committed Black Men such as yourself was still around!
I know when you come on the scene DRACKMAN and all of his buddy's better step back LOL!
Now I don't like all of the back and forth but, you have no other choice, do you? they started this MESS didn't they?
Their is a incident taking place in TEXAS, KLAN and the PANTHER'S are at it! and trust me the PANTHER'S was talking plenty of STUFF! LOL! they were letting it be know that this is 2009 and we are all up in the KLAN'S FACE!
Well, I guess this is what they mean by the term (The Revolution will be TELEVISED! LOL!
You know what DRACKMAN, I had no idea that they were talking about televising a BLACK MAN sitting in the OVAL OFFICE as the President! and all of this is being TELEVISED is it not!
BSweet-"I'm getting pretty tired of defending myself. I feel like people read what they want in my words and then attack me. I have read responses to my posts where it is clear that the person isn't hearing what I am trying to say. Maybe I am not clear in my speaking. Maybe people's minds are already made up. Maybe you read what you want to."
I don't blame you. Why should you have to explain yourself over and over again to people like Kathy? You don't. So don't. She is going to read into you what she has always thought of you and it won't be positive. Just know she has a problem with donuts because they have holes in them.
Blogger kathy said...
Anony 3:54, I have said many,many times that I am white, also, I think I explain why I didn't like it.
4:01 PM
@ Kathy and Anon 3:54 - What do you see when you look at my icon? Guess what? A lot of people are basing their opinions of who I am and what I think BASED ON MY APPEARANCE. I don't like it any more than you do. Prejudice goes far beyond racism.
If you see the shell of my person, you see may see a privileged white woman who represents what is wrong with America. You can see a person you think has everything you want. But is that real, or is it an illusion created by your mind from all the injustices of your life before you ever saw me?
I am smiling at the camera because I am having a picnic at a park with a friend in LA and it was a really happy moment for me. In that picture, I am 38 years old. I am now 40. I do look good for my age. I am happy with who I am. It's taken me many years to find that happiness.
Maybe I'll put up a different photo and then you can see me in the phases of my life that it took me to get where I am today.
Sad little girl whose stepfather beat her when he drank.
Scared little girl whose mother's boyfriend raped her.
Angry little girl whose mother BLAMED HER for the rape.
Cold little girl who let him do it for 2 years because it was a shame that I supposedly brought on myself for what? Being blonde and busty.
Yeah, I learned how to use it. I did what I did and that's done now. But I'll be goddamned if I am going to let some lady I've never even met before tear down that very fragile person inside me. I am a very kind and loving person who has been doing her darndest to reach out.
I've learned how to take care of the child in me. In so doing, I have become a hell of a mother to 5 beautiful children.
My three stepchildren, you ask if I celebrate and educate their Hispanic heritage. Yes. I will tell you, but do you hear me?
My 10 year old Hispanic stepson had a project to do in school this year. It was a project that had to do with Washington State. I did a report with him about the local Hispanic artists. There were a LOT of white people in Seattle's history. But I looked, and I found, many brown people who look like him, that HE can relate to, and share that with the class. That's how I educate. I like reading, and we read lots of books about Hispanic heroes. My boys like "heroes" a lot, and I've found it's a good way to get their attention.
I hope you understand me a little bit better now.
Well this didn't take long, did it?
From "frontpagemag.com" one of the posters shared the "KILL OBAMA" game.
But according to these poor misunderstood white posters at FN, it's us blacks who have the attitude problem.
http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/vWxkLN3qXiQs_kill-barack-obama
Whitney B, this is PROPHETESS, when you have time read the Willie LYNCH LETTER! just pull the name up on your computer! read the letter, that is, if you can stand to read the entire LETTER! I had to stop reading it, it was too much for me to handle!
BSweet-"I've learned how to take care of the child in me. In so doing, I have become a hell of a mother to 5 beautiful children."
Make sure you take care of your inner child. You deserve it and don't let some heartless ignoramus who has a problem with your photo tear you down. They are small minded miserable people. I can relate to child abuse and I know how important it is to have a happy photo of yourself, one that will lift you up, not tear you down. To hell with those who want you to be miserable like them.
Don't put your emotional well-being into their hands because they could care less about you. Be a good parent to your inner child--guard and protect it.
The Willie Lynch Letter is now 297 years old. It resonates to this day. Now: In an era where slavery has been abrogated for 144 years, and full civil rights have been the formal law of the land for 45 years, what place does it have?
Obviously, it's a searing historical artifact. It is more than that, because while it's 297 years old it is not as if the impact of the ideas behind it somehow died 297 years ago.
Yet, things are different now. Not as different as many whites want to believe. More different than many blacks want to believe.
This is America. We are the New World. We make a new history every day. You too.
UTS, "But according to these poor misunderstood white posters at FN, it's us blacks who have the attitude problem."
Are you saying Blacks have no attitude problem?
"I will gladly be judged as the angry, hate-filled Black who despises White people."
well it's true.
"I really do despise white people. When it all boils down they are too filled with hate to see past it."
You hate white people because they are filled with hate but can't see past it. Just like your description of yourself.
I feel bad when blacks folks try and sound intelligent yet fail so miserably.
Yeah and I know WCS, you make more money than me, wouldn't let me shine your shoes, etc, etc.
@ Anonymous 4:44 pm -
Thank you. I don't think Kathy's an ignoramus though. But she may be prejudiced against me for the reason I already mentioned. If you only see my outside, it is easy to place blame or hatred at me. I say that I don't like it as much as black people don't like it!
I do protect my inner child. I protect her because she is still so scared and angry, although so much better for the years and experience. But that part of me that felt so cold, angry, hurt, scared, that part won't let me stop trying here. That little girl in me sees the little girl in you and we have both felt hurt and shame. I want that to go away for you and for me. Namaste.
Oh, one final request. Would the anonymous posters here mind choosing a "handle" and using it? You don't have to create a user account or anything, so your anonymity is protected, but then I will know who I'm talking to. I get confused with all the Anonymous people.
p.s.: You are every bit as much as American as I am. (Which, by the way, is what truly upsets me about the so-called "birthers.") We are in this together. Bit by bit, we are making a new history. What that history looks like is going to be, in very large part, a matter of those blades of grass that force their way up between the cracks in the sidewalks.
So what are you, a blade of grass, or part of the sidewalk? Choice is yours.
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