Thursday, November 07, 2013

No country for young people.

I tweeted about this earlier, but it is worth repeating. If you are a black person in America and you happen to find yourself in danger, do not go to a random white person for help. Especially if you have to go to their home. You are better off taking your chances with the elements.

*Knock knock* Who is there? Just a Negro seeking some help.....BANG!

Seriously, that is not funny. And if you happen to be the parents of Renisha McBride, you really can't see the humor in any of this.

Poor Renisha was shot to death by a fearful white (sorry, I shouldn't jump to conclusions, I don't know if the homeowner was actually white) home owner who got caught up in a severe case of "color aroused disorder" .(Damn it, there I go again)

"Police are investigating whether a 19-year-old Detroit woman who was shot and killed on the front porch of a home was simply looking for help after a car crash.

The homeowner told police the shotgun accidentally discharged, striking Renisha McBride in the face, Dearborn Heights Police Capt. Jeffrey Seipenko said Thursday.
 
"This man's claiming -- believed the girl was breaking into the home. And he's also saying the gun discharged accidentally," Lt. James Serwatowski, chief detective, was quoted as saying in the Detroit Free Press.
 
Relatives of Renisha McBride have complained because authorities have not filed charges against the man, who has not been identified. They say McBride knocked on the man's door seeking help after her car broke down.
 
Prosecutors said they need more information from police before deciding whether to file charges. The 12-gauge shotgun is being analyzed by the state police crime lab, Seipenko said.
 
Seipenko said that McBride was in a car accident and that hours passed between that time and her death.
 
Serwatowski told the Free Press that McBride was involved in a wreck several blocks from the house and left the accident scene. The wreck happened about 1:30 a.m. and the shooting at 3:40 a.m., the Free Press reported.
 
Friends and relatives held a rally Wednesday outside the house where the shooting occurred and planned another rally Thursday night. They allege that McBride was racially profiled.
 
"My niece didn't deserve to die like this. This is senseless," McBride's aunt Bernita Spinks told CNN affiliate WDIV at the Wednesday rally. "I just want justice for my niece, and peace." [Source]
 
Maybe that homeowner was on edge because of the scary news coming out of the Motor City, lately. (Damn, not even the barbershop is safe these days.) 
 
Still, this young lady did not deserve to die this way. Nor, for that matter, did Jonathan Ferrell.
 
Sadly, seeking help while black, like so many other aspects of American life for minorities, has become a very dangerous thing to do.
 
Honestly, I am not so sure it's safe for young white men, either.
 
I blogged about the beat down that kid took in AC for talking back to some of AC's finest. Now comes a sad story out of Washington State where some poor kid was in jail for a misdemeanor marijuana bust, and he ended up dying because of an allergic reaction to the food that the po po gave him.
 
Going to jail for a misdemeanor pot possession should not be a death sentence.
 
Clearly the po po in Washington need better training.
 
And then there is the poor kid in Iowa who lost his life because his father called the po po to teach him a lesson.
 
"A 19-year-old has been shot dead by police after his father dialed 911 to report his truck stolen in order to teach his son a lesson for driving off to buy cigarettes. 

Father James Comstock has been left devastated after a police officer shot and killed his teenage son Tyler.

Ames police say the teenager, from Boone, drove a stolen truck onto the Iowa State University campus on Monday, where student pedestrians dodged it to avoid being run over.

Patrol officer Adam McPherson fired six shots into the truck and the 19-year-old later died from two gunshot wounds.

Father James Comstock told The Des Moines Register on Tuesday: 'He took off with my truck. I call the police, and they kill him. It was over a damn pack of cigarettes. I wouldn’t buy him none." [Source]

Sorry Pop, but calling the po po never ends well. If only you had some black friends they could have told you that.





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

80 comments:

Republicans:Helping Slaves Off The Democrat Plantation said...

Seriously field? Detroit.

What do you expect homeowners to do?

It could have taken days to get 9-11 out to the crib.

Why do you assume this was racial? This guy could have been pissed off about Obama's "if you like your plan you can keep it. period." lie.

Miss something?

Three dead, six hurt in attack on Detroit gambling room

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/07/us-usa-crime-detroit-idUSBRE9A601620131107



Anonymous said...

From the previous thread...this comment is by far the most insightful about PC yet. I nominate Alfred Nobel for the Nobel Comment Prize...

Alfred Nobel said...
The Purple Cow said...
Obamacare might just save the American economy. Nothing else can.
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Let's all let that one soak in.

nmnmnmnmnmnmnmnm....

I nominate this for the single dumbest statement on the internet in 2013.

I know PC has dozens of idiotic comments to his name, but none as concisely clueless and breathtakingly retarded as this one.

It is an absolutely brilliant use of language to cram so much wrong into so few words.

An instant Cow classic. Bravo, numbskull.
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ROFL...I can't stop laughing. This is humiliation of PC at its finest. After this slam dunk, I am betting PC won't be back. Does anybody want to bet?

Anonymous said...

Can somebody tell me what happened at the barber shop in Detroit and what color were they?

This sounds like a shooting by Whites who were honorary Blacks just like Incognito.

Do I be right? Desert, you need not answer. We all know you support Incognito like the rest of those HNs on the Dolphins...smh

Republicans:Helping Slaves Off The Democrat Plantation said...

"Honestly, I am not so sure it's safe for young white men, either."

It's not safe for white men of any age in black neighborhoods or Obama's Amerikkka.

Anonymous said...

Field, "*Knock knock* Who is there? Just a Negro seeking some help.....BANG!

Seriously, that is not funny. And if you happen to be the parents of Renisha McBride, you really can't see the humor in any of this."

You are right, it's not funny. A young l9 year old lost her life looking down the barrel of a shot gun by a white man.

You ought to knock off the mean-spirited jokes at the expense of your own people. It's not funny to ANYBODY.

focusedpurpose said...


http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.UnxUfCdnZQs

cops trained by isrealis can only result in folks being treated like Palestinians.


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i pray that Renisha McBride's family secures justice. may baby girl rest in peace.

folks can keep pretending there is such a thing as 'colorblind' if they want to... colorblind simply means Black folks can't see nor support one another.

those that hate US have NOT changed their minds. quite a few remember when the world was different + miss it desperately.





Anonymous said...

People at our neighborhood are jumpy. Only one sheriff for the county. Everyone is armed and dangerous.

Anonymous said...

FP, I seek peace and do not want war nor do I want to be mistreated. I trust in God, but I wonder if I should have a firearm for protection?

focusedpurpose said...

Anon 10:31pm-

i, too, believe in peace with all as much as possible.

however, it is NOT my understanding that His are called to be soft targets. in the face of declared + open war- no where in Scriptures do i see accounts of folks curling up in the fetal position and praying...

that follower= cannon fodder business is NOT biblical at all. self preservation is the 1st law of nature. granted...i am a reformed child of NOI;)

that said..it is wise to secure the means of protecting oneself, family + community. whatever that looks like for different souls. while praying that you might never have occasion to have to go there with anyone.

shooting people in the face because they think they are in danger of being robbed is the behavior of a barbarian. shoot to back folks up + let them know you are serious about not being a victim. devils shoot to kill with little to no provocation...

_________________

http://www.christianpost.com/news/texas-court-oks-sexually-explicit-conversations-between-adults-and-minors-online-perverts-will-run-amok-say-state-lawyers-107865/

as a side note. there is something REALLY evil happening legally...those with children in their families cannot afford to bury their heads.

Rod Smooth said...

"You are right, it's not funny. A young l9 year old lost her life looking down the barrel of a shot gun by a white man."
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I'll bet you $7.50 and a pound of hamburger meat the shooter was a black dude.

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

Sad, just sad.

This is what happens when "bubbas" get badges.

Anonymous said...

Did you know that the sexiest college in America is the University of Wisconsin? Also, there appears to be no Blacks there.

Did you know the least sexiest University in the country is the University of Houston?

hmmmm. I wonder if they checked out Berkeley while doing this survey?

Anonymous said...

"I'll bet you $7.50 and a pound of hamburger meat the shooter was a black dude."

Bet!!! Field, don't let me down.

Desertflower said...

That's insane!

I mean if someone knocks on my door at 2am asking for help and I'm scared. I would ask her for a number to call for her, or without opening,find out what she needed.

If the person was aggressive or got aggressive, then I would call the cops. and let her know that I'm armed.

But to shoot her in the face! I mean, that's insane!!!

How could anyone do such a thing?
What are people thinking?



Anonymous said...

does anybody know where the sexiest and best looking bw go to college? I heard that it was Bowie State where Field and PilotX went to school. It was also the school where Black Sage flunked out his freshman year. Man, you have to be pretty dumb to do that.

does anybody know where PC went to school. Never mind...it's a school nobody ever heard of. That's because it doesn't exist. I bet PC and Dr Nuwang are cousins.

Anonymous said...

Desert, "How could anyone do such a thing?
What are people thinking?"

I trust you do not own a gun? Will you sell me a cake at 2 am? I want to know in case I get a sweet tooth late at night.

Desertflower said...

Anonymous said...
I trust you do not own a gun? Will you sell me a cake at 2 am? I want to know in case I get a sweet tooth late at night.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I do own one, and if you came to my door at 2 am asking for a cake, I would assume you are drunk or under the influence of something.

But I would not shoot you.

I would tell you that if there's anything I hate in this world is to awoken from a deep sleep for anything! and ask you to go away.

Then if you didn't, I would call the cops. Then if you got aggressive...um...ummm...at 2 am?
Asking or a cake?....hmmmmmmm....X(



Great Moments in History said...

"The only thing we have to fear is...fear itself" - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

"Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." - John Fitzgerald Kennedy

"Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Wilson Reagan

"I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me" - Barack Hussein Obama

control+halt+delete said...

It must be hard being white.
Mr. Butterfingers didn't have to lie about it being an accident.

What type of "pervasive defective disorder" did this weirdo with the shotgun suffer from? What type of neural defect paralyzes your brain to where you can't tell a damsel in distress from one of those spooky vampires "on tha' teevee" or those dang martians or better still, the inevitable "race war" that some of you all create in your fear-filled minds?

Warning: The Surgeon General has determined that "Pale Males" cause cancer, diabetes and hypertension.

Symptoms may also include guilt, paranoia, hallucinations and an itchy trigger finger.

focusedpurpose said...



http://www.prisonplanet.com/military-purge-obama-wants-troops-to-obey-him-not-the-constitution.html

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Proverbs 18:10

Ace Freeley said...

How To Blow $14.8 Billion Dollars in 12 Easy Steps.

First get at least $14.8 billion dollars. Then join the Brunei royal family:

Prince Jefri Bolkiah is the younger brother of the Sultan of Brunei, and he is believed to have blown $14.8 billion on a series of follies including grotesque mansions; enormous collections of sportscars; haremsful of exotic prostitutes kept on standby at home and abroad; fleets of jets; musesumsworth of gaudy gems; private football tutelage from NFL greats for his pampered son; private concerts by Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston (the former in a purpose-built, single-use stadium); and more (and more).

...According to Fortune, when his son Hakeem wanted to learn football, Jefri imported N.F.L. stars Joe Montana and Herschel Walker to Brunei, at a cost of seven figures each, to teach him the game. Hakeem and his friends showed up in brand-new uniforms, the gargantuan prince weighing 300 pounds, trailed by a valet and guarded by a state security force. Hakeem was not able to catch the ball, so a teammate would hand it to him, and he would then shuffle down the field for an easy touchdown, because no one was allowed to tackle a prince. When Hakeem turned 18, his father gave him $1 billion as a birthday present, according to one of Zaman's affidavits.

field negro said...

Ace, he is learning from republicans. They just stopped working and blew almost 3 billion.

$7.50 and hamburger meat? Don't eat hamburgers and I don't gamble, but, if I did, I might take some of that action.

Anon@11:40, I am guessing that u have never been to any college.

When and if u ever go, concentrate on your books and not the women around u. You sound like a person who needs to do a lot of studying.

Great moments in history.

"Romney by a landslide". ~Fox News~

field negro said...
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The Purple Cow said...

Ever seen a better catch than this, Field?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AV2Oq8Rn2g

The Purple Cow said...

"Anonymous said...
PC, "Obamacare might just save the American economy. Nothing else can."

God can save America. There is nothing God can't do. However, whether HE does or not, no one can answer."


That's right, there's nothing your god can't do. Like send a tsunami to drown an entire school full of Japanese children. What a guy!

Bad news for you, your god appears to be a psychopath.

The Purple Cow said...

OK, I know you far-Right types are not big on concepts like ‘facts’, ‘evidence’ and ‘the truth’, I understand that experiencing them makes your brains hurt. However, you are going to have to make do with some brain-pain right now, because I’m here to school you.

PART ONE

Let’s look at your current health care system in detail, and compare it to nations that operate a socialized system.

1. Americans spend around 17.7% of GDP on healthcare, the global average for countries with a socialised system is between 9% and 11%
(source OECD health data 2013).

2. Even allowing for inflation, the cost of heath care in the USA has risen by a staggering 818% since 1960. Since that same date GDP has risen 168% and wages just 16%.
(source McKinsey: Accounting for the Costs of US Health Care. 2011)

3. Despite these costs, Americans rarely go to see a doctor. On average just 4.1 times per year, cpmpared to an E.U. average of 9.7 times, and Japan 13.1 times per year. (source OECD health data 2013).

4. Drugs are massively more expensive in the USA than elsewhere. Libitor costs $70 per treatment in the USA, $14 in Spain. (Source International Federation of Health Plans)

5. The average cost of a hospital stay in the USA is exactly double the European average, ($8000 compared to $4000) despite the fact that American hospital stays are on average 2.5 days shorter.
(source OECD health data 2010) OECD health data 2013, Congressional Research Service.)

6. Bypass surgery costs $73,420 in the USA, $14,117 in the UK. (Source International Federation of Health Plans 2010)

7. Rate of lower limb amputation in Diabetes patients is 32.9 per 100,000 in USA, compared to 4.8 in the UK. (source OECD health data 2011).

8. Life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years compared to an OECD average above 80. (81.1 in the UK). (source OECD health data 2013).

The Purple Cow said...
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The Purple Cow said...

PART TWO

So we’ve established that Americans pay massively more than anyone else for what is basically a third world healthcare system. But how else does the current system damage the U.S. economy?

1. As I have demonstrated the U.S. spends the highest percentage of GDP on health care in the world. So obviously there is less money in the U.S. economy to spend on constructive development of new businesses and infrastructure. The USA has a much smaller small-business sector than other comparable economies. The most likely reason for this is that high health costs discourage small business formation, since risk both to the employer and employee is higher in the U.S. where there are currently no government safety nets.

2. 60% of all U.S. personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills. 68% of people filing bankruptcy had health insurance but could not cover the deductibles, and after treatment denials many became so sick that they lost their jobs and their insurance. These bankruptcies affect the cost of borrowing money for everyone in the country.

3. The U.S. health care bureaucracy costs $399.4 billion annually, of which a 2004 Harvard study estimated that $286 billion could be saved. This $399.4 billion of insurance administration costs is 31% of total U.S. healthcare spending compared with 16.7% in Canada where all are insured.

4. For a cardiologist to spend 15 minutes inserting a stent will be paid $1500, if he or she spends 40 minutes finding out what is actually wrong with the patient they will be paid $40. As a result of this logic 30,000 Americans die from unnecessary procedures every year. That’s he equivalent of a jumbo jet crashing every week.

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Anonymous 9:56

"ROFL...I can't stop laughing. This is humiliation of PC at its finest. After this slam dunk, I am betting PC won't be back. Does anybody want to bet?"

So.........you were saying, dipshit?

Alfred Nobel said...

"8. Life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years compared to an OECD average above 80. (81.1 in the UK). (source OECD health data 2013)."

Black people don't live as long as European-Americans, and drag down the average. White Americans now average above 80.

And it's not due to racism: Hispanic Americans live longer than whites, averaging 82 years.

It's culture and genetics.

Alfred Nobel said...

"1. As I have demonstrated the U.S. spends the highest percentage of GDP on health care in the world."

This is because America has the most advanced, most comprehensive healthcare system n the world. When the global elite needs an operation, they come to America.

Costs are excessive due to regulatory inefficiencies. Government intrusion into the market is problem; the solution is not more government intrusion.

Alfred Nobel said...

"5. The average cost of a hospital stay in the USA is exactly double the European average, ($8000 compared to $4000) despite the fact that American hospital stays are on average 2.5 days shorter."

The UK has almost twice the rate deaths from infections contracted during a hospital stay than America does. You get what you pay for.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/heal-our-hospitals/10178296/13000-died-needlessly-at-14-worst-NHS-trusts.html

http://hospitalhygiene.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48:hai-developed-nations&catid=15:infection-rates-in-developed-world&Itemid=22

Alfred Nobel said...

Imposing massive cost increases on almost everyone, penalizing job creation, and swelling the deficit are not good ways to "save the economy":

Under Obama, the cost of family healthcare premiums has risen 29%, and premiums for individual healthcare plans have jumped 25%. This has occurred despite candidate Obama's 2008 assertion that he'd lower family healthcare premiums by $2,500 by the end of his first term.

At the same time, concerned employers are cutting employee work hours and positions, compensating for ObamaCare’s economic impact on their businesses.

Fewer work hours and the resulting reduction in wages, coupled with increased healthcare costs, don't add up to economic growth. Speeches decrying Republican opposition to ObamaCare will not change the law’s stagnating effect on the economy.


http://townhall.com/columnists/scotterickson/2013/10/10/the-economic-ill-effects-of-obamacare-n1720958

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Alfred the Moron

"Black people don't live as long as European-Americans, and drag down the average. "

So there are no black people in the UK, is that what you are saying?

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Alfred the Moron

"This is because America has the most advanced, most comprehensive healthcare system n the world.

If it is so advanced and comprehensive as you claim (without bothering to post anything like evidence) how come your outcomes are shit? By almost any measurement you can think of the USA's health care is poor. Life expectancy? Poor Infant mortality? Worse.

"When the global elite needs an operation, they come to America."

I doubt that is still true, but even if it was, think about what that is saying. If you are fabulously wealthy you can get world class healthcare in America. So what? Are you saying that only the fabulously wealthy deserve good healthcare?

"Costs are excessive due to regulatory inefficiencies."

Evidence?

" Government intrusion into the market is problem; the solution is not more government intrusion."

So all this evidence that I have posted about the superior outcomes of Socialised medicine - how do you explain those? I mean Socialised medicine must be the very definition of government intrusion in healthcare, no?

So again, where is your evidence?

The Purple Cow said...

"The UK has almost twice the rate deaths from infections contracted during a hospital stay than America does. You get what you pay for."

OK, so what about France, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Finland and Sweden??

They are also half the price, how do they stack up.

Anonymous said...

Easy.on em PC. Way too much facts for the wingnuts to digest.

FIELD

Alfred Nobel said...

"They are also half the price, how do they stack up."

Even worse. Check the link.

And personally, I'll pay a little more to the hospital that provides clean sheets.

The Purple Cow said...



Your statistics are bogus.

In States where Insurance companies were already not allowed to take into account pre-existing conditions premiums will fall as much as 50%

Besides, people whose income falls within 100% and 400% of the national mean will be eligible for
premium tax credits against the increased costs.

http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/state-by-state-estimates-of-the-number-of-people-eligible-for-premium-tax-credits-under-the-affordable-care-act/

Secondly the number of part time workers as a percentage of all those working reached a peak in 2008, and has been falling since. There is no hard evidence that employers are cutting hours to avoid Obamacare.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/22/us-usa-healthcare-hiring-analysis-idUSBRE99L1F220131022

Alfred Nobel said...

"So all this evidence that I have posted about the superior outcomes of Socialised medicine - how do you explain those?"

No need to 'explain' facts that aren't true.

You are comparing apples and oranges. All of our metrics are pulled down due to:

1. The adverse health affects of a more affluent lifestyle.

2. The horrendous statistics associated with the 13% of the population that is black. (BTW, to correct another misconception you have, the African population of the UK is 3%). Black people have babies as minors while smoking crack, shoot each other with alarming frequency, and are generally much less risk-averse than other populations.

You just don't understand statistical concepts very well, do you Purple Sloth?

Alfred Nobel said...

"In States where Insurance companies were already not allowed to take into account pre-existing conditions premiums will fall as much as 50%

Besides, people whose income falls within 100% and 400% of the national mean will be eligible for premium tax credits against the increased costs.

Secondly the number of part time workers as a percentage of all those working reached a peak in 2008, and has been falling since. There is no hard evidence that employers are cutting hours to avoid Obamacare"


The first statement is misleading at best. For one thing, insurance that cannot take into account pre-existing conditions is not insurance, which is a voluntary risk transfer contract, it is a coerced obligation transfer contract. Secondly, you are attempting to controvert what is happening with a projection by proponents of what might happen. Um, no.

The next statement is misdirection as well, as the tax credits are miniscule compared with the increased premium costs.

Lastly, there is no evidence except what employers themselves say they are doing. Comparing the 2008 numbers from the beginning of a deep recession to now is disingenuous. Just wait for the 2015 numbers.

You are just repeating nonsense you don't understand. Stop embarrassing yourself.

The Purple Cow said...

”Even worse. Check the link.

And personally, I'll pay a little more to the hospital that provides clean sheets.”

Interesting that you chose HAI’s as the only way to judge a healthcare system when all other indicators show your system failing. But anyway, just to keep you happy, lets run with it for a while.

As this report for the CDC points out…

http://www.cdc.gov/HAI/pdfs/hai/Scott_CostPaper.pdf

… there has not been a national survey of HAI rates in the USA since 2002. This is the report…

http://www.cdc.gov/HAI/pdfs/hai/infections_deaths.pdf

Your 4.5% figure comes from this report. Not exactly up to date information is it?

Even so that figure of 4.5% only puts you on a par with Slovenia and Scotland, and slightly worse than Italy. And still at twice the cost! Not exactly world leading statistics are they?

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Cletus-the-slack-jawed-Yokel

”You are comparing apples and oranges. All of our metrics are pulled down due to:

1. The adverse health affects of a more affluent lifestyle…..

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That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever read! Being affluent is bad for your health now is it?? Since when?

Gosh those Russians must live for ever.

Incidentally, your CIA shows thirteen nations to be more affluent than the USA. As yet I haven’t found a single one with a life expectancy below the OECD average.

Think again sunshine, you need to come up with a better theory.


”2. The horrendous statistics associated with the 13% of the population that is black. (BTW, to correct another misconception you have, the African population of the UK is 3%). Black people have babies as minors while smoking crack, shoot each other with alarming frequency, and are generally much less risk-averse than other populations.”

So let me get this straight. You are saying that America’s health results are down to the fact that you are too affluent AND you have too many black people – the least affluent major sector of society of all ! Does that argument even make sense to you?

Incidentally, 12.9% of Britain’s population is black or of mixed race.


You just don't understand statistical concepts very well, do you Cletus?

The Purple Cow said...

”The first statement is misleading at best. For one thing, insurance that cannot take into account pre-existing conditions is not insurance, which is a voluntary risk transfer contract, it is a coerced obligation transfer contract.”

errrrr, no Cletus, it’s actually you that doesn’t understand insurance. The basic principle of insurance is that the large diverse demographic population spreads the risk among all. That is the basis of all insurance.

The U.S. has subverted this basic principle completely by removing the high-risk Medicare population, government employees with the richest benefits, and the military, and moved them all to the public sector. Then having corralled the youngest and healthiest low risk citizens, who in a proper insurance system would be subsidizing all of the above and placed them in the hands of cherry-picking, profit-driven, private insurers with high overheads.

”Secondly, you are attempting to controvert what is happening with a projection by proponents of what might happen. Um, no.”

You on the other hand are attempting to controvert something that isn’t actually happening, by opponents of what might happen.

Ummmmmmm, no.

“The next statement is misdirection as well, as the tax credits are miniscule compared with the increased premium costs.”

Absolutely not true, go back and re-read the link I posted. (I say re-read I suspect you never read it.)

”Lastly, there is no evidence except what employers themselves say they are doing.”

Show us the names of employers who have said they are cutting hours to avoid Obamacare.

Incidentally, are you are saying the US government has no way of knowing how many people are working full or part time? Is that seriously your position?

”Comparing the 2008 numbers from the beginning of a deep recession to now is disingenuous. Just wait for the 2015 numbers.”

I’m sorry, but what exactly is disingenuous about it?

You say, (without reverting to anything that looks like ‘evidence’)
that employers are en masse reducing hours to avoid Obamacare. I point out that there is no hard evidence that this is true – and I’m trusting that you want evidence-based government, right? So what’s disingenuous about pointing out that there are fewer part-time workers now than there were in 2008? I’m just pointing out that yet again, you post assertions without evidence.


Cletus, you are just repeating nonsense you don't understand. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Anonymous said...

Cletus watches Fox News.

Alfred Nobel said...

"Show us the names of employers who have said they are cutting hours to avoid Obamacare."

In the interest of an informed debate, we've compiled a list of job actions with strong proof that ObamaCare's employer mandate is behind cuts to work hours or staffing levels. As of Nov. 5, our ObamaCare scorecard included 363 employers with more than 100 school districts among them

http://news.investors.com/politics-obamacare/110513-669013-obamacare-employer-mandate-a-list-of-cuts-to-work-hours-jobs.htm

This is too easy.

Bill said...

The Purple Cow said...
"The UK has almost twice the rate deaths from infections contracted during a hospital stay than America does. You get what you pay for."

OK, so what about France, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Finland and Sweden??


OK so what?

Please back up and explain how a better health system has twice the number of infections. That sounds crazy.

p.s. Do you know if the UK uses any of the drugs created/tested in the US?

Do you think it's fair that because I created a piece of music that I will reeceive a check for many years past my death while if I created a cure for cancer I could only "own" that creation for a limited number of years?
Does that government regulation encourage higher prices because you will have a shorter time to recoup all the $$$$ spent on design/testing?

Bill said...

The Purple Cow said...
There is no hard evidence that employers are cutting hours to avoid Obamacare.


U.S. businesses are hiring at a robust rate. The only problem is that three out of four of the nearly 1 million hires this year are part-time and many of the jobs are low-paid.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100977130

Alfred Nobel said...

"errrrr, no Cletus, it’s actually you that doesn’t understand insurance. The basic principle of insurance is that the large diverse demographic population spreads the risk among all. That is the basis of all insurance. "
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No, the basis of insurance is that someone assumes someone else's risk in return for a payment.

This is an important service that facilitates all manners of transactions between people. This service is effectively provided for most people by the insurance market. This is a business and as such needs to make a profit to be viable. Profit and competition drive efficiency. That's called capitalism. Regulation and government monopoly create inefficiency and incompetence. That's called Socialism.

In order to be profitable, the price has to cover the cost. To determine the price, you need a homogenous as possible population to accurately estimate your losses. Diversity increases uncertainty that must be accounted for by increased prices.

People pay more for insurance than they get back (on average), because they are also receiving risk mitigation.

In a free society, people can make risk transfer contracts between each other as they see fit.

In a tyranny, the government dictates the terms and the price of the contract, to calamitous effect.

For the vast majority of people, the market works fine and offers them the best care at the lowest price. We did not have a free market system here, and Obamacare is making the situation even worse. Much worse, in fact.

Sometimes people decide to assume the risk on their own, and things don't work out. Too bad.

Sometimes people are in a bad way, and cannot bear their own risk or get someone to assume it. Let's help them. It's called charity. The rest is socialism, a.k.a. theft.

You don't even know what insurance is. Come back when you've learned something.

Black Sage said...

Alfred Anti-Noble said: "And personally, I'll ay a little more to the hosital that provides clean sheets."

What's the problem now? Is the KKK so dysfunctional and indigent these days that they're unable to provide you good old boys with sheets now?

Besides, of course the hospitals already have clean sheets. I could only surmise that your alternative utilization is to wear them as a hood while on the back of a horse; shoy gun in hand and scare the hell out of House negroes until they're shaking under their beds!

Is this your plan Anti-Noble?

Alfred Nobel said...

"What's the problem now? Is the KKK so dysfunctional and indigent these days that they're unable to provide you good old boys with sheets now?"

As a matter of fact, I use only the finest 600 thread count linen sheets for my Klan attire. I would never be caught out at cross burning or chili-fest without a meticulously pressed and laundered hood and robe.

They may cost a little more, but they're well worth it for the comfort and durability. I'd suggest you try them for your robes, but you're black. Maybe you could get some for your bed. In your case, I'd opt for some sort of stain resistant treatment.

The Myth of Poverty said...

Food for thought:

http://takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_poverty_gavin_mcinnes#axzz2k3naxq9z

Anonymous said...

Alfred Nobel, I bet you look good in that 600 thread sheet. But telling Black Sage about it is a waste of time. He knows nothing about 6oo thread, only 250 threads that stain and stain so much they lose their original color.

Anonymous said...

If we can't stop the violence, can we at least stop the violence at stop the violence rallies?

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Donterius Riggins, 19, of Sylacauga, was shot in the neck around 6:35 p.m. Saturday at the Phyllis Wheatley Community Center during the basketball tournament, police told The Daily Home.

Riggins was taken to Coosa Valley Medical Center in Sylacauga and then to UAB Hospital in Birmingham, where he was in stable condition, police said.

Anyone with information is asked to call (256) 378-5747.

Black Sage said...

@Anti-Noble, why so cheap? Why not an 800 thread count? Just a little too heavy for your neck I guess.

field negro said...

Give up Sage, u are going to lose everytime when u try to battle a Klansman on the quality of sheets. :)

NSangoma said...

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Rev Al is getting involved in the Renisha McBride case, field booty.

Put on your marching hoody, field booty.

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Desertflower said...

Yeah but is it Egyptian cotton? ;)

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Dimbulb Bill

"Please back up and explain how a better health system has twice the number of infections. That sounds crazy."

We don't know that it does.

Now please explain why a better health care system has higher infant mortalities, lower life expectancy, more amputations and 30,000 deaths a year from unnecessary procedures.

That sounds crazy.

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"p.s. Do you know if the UK uses any of the drugs created/tested in the US?"

Of course it does, and vice versa.

"Do you think it's fair that because I created a piece of music that I will reeceive a check for many years past my death while if I created a cure for cancer I could only "own" that creation for a limited number of years?"

Yes, it's entirely fucking fair. Even in your sick, depraved and twisted set of values I would have thought it obvious that a cancer drug is more important than a piece of fucking music.

Now let me ask you a question.

Would you deny a cancer drug to someone who could;t afford to pay for it? If you had a drug in your hand would you turn away. (Bear in mind you are supposedly Christian.)

"Does that government regulation encourage higher prices because you will have a shorter time to recoup all the $$$$ spent on design/testing?"

Clearly not, given that the copyright laws are the same throughout the western world, and as we have seen, costs are lower everywhere else.

The Purple Cow said...

Quote Cletus

"No, the basis of insurance is that someone assumes someone else's risk in return for a payment."

Absolute nonsense. You are so clueless it's incredible.

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"Profit and competition drive efficiency."

Except when they are operating a cartel, as in this case.

There's a system that has its roots in hatred and greed. That system recently brought the world's economy to it's knees. A few have become billionaires at the cost of many billions who are enslaved. It maintains its existence by enabling illegal wars over declining resources. This system decrees that a few may profit from the sickness of the many. That's called capitalism

There's a system that has its roots in love. It says that the human race does better when it works together. It says men should not profit from the sickness of others. That's called Socialism.

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"For the vast majority of people, the market works fine and offers them the best care at the lowest price."

There is no such perfect market. Left to it's own devices, the market cheats and steals. c.q. Goldman Sachs etc.

That's capitalism a.k.a. theft.

Anonymous said...

"higher infant mortalities,"

Black crack babies.

Alfred Nobel said...

The Purple Sloth said...
"There's a system that has its roots in love. It says that the human race does better when it works together. It says men should not profit from the sickness of others. That's called Socialism."


If no one can profit from curing the sickness of others, there won't be near as much curing.

Socialism is theft of the individual by the mob. Its root is resentment, not love, greed not sharing. Instead of being a rising tide that lifts all boat, socialism leaves everyone stuck in the mud:

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no ideally one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

Here are possibly the 5 key points about such an experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Black Sage said...

!@Field Negro, you are too much! You're correct though, they're long time quality sheet experts!:

Alfred Nobel said...

The Purple Cow said...
Quote Cletus

"No, the basis of insurance is that someone assumes someone else's risk in return for a payment."

Absolute nonsense. You are so clueless it's incredible."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That's an amazingly wrong statement. Not as epically dunderheaded as yesterday's, but I have to give it to you, you really know how bring the stupid.


in·sur·ance

/inˈSHo͝orəns/

noun: insurance; plural noun: insurances

1. A practice or arrangement by which a company or government agency provides a guarantee of compensation for specified loss, damage, illness, or death in return for payment of a premium.

Dr.Nǚwáng said...

LOL @ DesertFlower, you know damn well they can't afford high thread count sheets!

DQAE

Alfred Nobel said...

Black Sage said...
"!@Field Negro, you are too much! You're correct though, they're long time quality sheet experts!:"

Sheets, and chili. There is really nothing like the chili they serve at the end of a meeting. Add a liitle cheese and onions, it's great to have while sitting around the burning cross, enjoying camaraderie of xenophobia. You really should try it some time.

On second thought, maybe you should just take my word for it.

I'll defer to your expertise on rim jobs and entitlement fraud.

The Purple Cow said...

Dear Cletus, congratulations you are the 5000th far-rightist who has copied and pasted that parable about the professor on this blog.

As usual I will respond with the Snopes page on this story.

http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp

Pay particular attention to the final paragraph...

Many critics have maintained that if anyone in the original scenario were to receive a failing grade, it should have been the economics professor who clearly didn't understand the difference between socialism and communism. Socialism is a system that advocates social ownership of production and distribution, not an equal distribution of resources to all citizens regardless of their efforts. (The socialist motto "To each according to his contribution" reflects the principle that members of a socialist society are still be rewarded based on how much they contribute to society, not on some more egalitarian basis.) Communism, not socialism, advocates the principle of distributing resources based on an individual's need rather than on his level of contribution to society (as expressed in the motto "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need").

Much as it's been fun attempting to educate the uneducable, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing numbskulls of the American Right, it's almost midnight and I've got a busy day tomorrow, so I'm off to bed and my Egyptian cotton sheets.

See you in the morning, comrades.

Desertflower said...

Dr.Nǚwáng6:35 PMLOL @ DesertFlower, you know damn well they can't afford high thread count sheets!DQAE
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;)

The Purple Cow said...

"That's an amazingly wrong statement. Not as epically dunderheaded as yesterday's, but I have to give it to you, you really know how bring the stupid.

Sez the 'man' who has failed to raise an argument against 95% of the points I have made.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Black Sage said...
@Anti-Noble, why so cheap? Why not an 800 thread count? Just a little too heavy for your neck I guess.

3:28 PM
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Brother Sage, please don't aggravate Alfred Nobel. Don't mess up his good name and don't try to pretend you know the difference between a 600 thread sheet and a 900 thread sheet. Negroes usually settle for 400 or less and you know it. Besides, a lot of us don't have the money to buy soft good feeling sheets...even Field doesn't know what they are like. I really wish folks like you would stop pretending and just be real.

Anonymous said...

" Besides, a lot of us don't have the money to buy soft good feeling sheets...even Field doesn't know what they are like"
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Ms. Queen does. She got to take all the really stained ones home from the hospital she worked at.

She may never be a doctor, but she has the sheets.

Cletus the Fetus said...

"I'm off to bed and my Egyptian cotton sheets."
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Nothing like that hand-picked cotton, is there?

They still know how to do it in Egypt. Old times there are not forgotten.

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

Since we have so many scholarly individuals on this thread....

On a post which is essentially about Racism or perceived Racism...

Let us all ponder this.

Segregation was a tool to keep the White gene pool as pure as it possibly could be....

Racism is a psycho-biological survival system based on white peoples subconscious desire to avoid extermination by Black Men
co-cohabiting with White Women.

1 Black man in a nation of white women can turn the complexion in 25 years.

You need not kill all you have to do is cohabitate...

The Black gene is dominate and the European gene is recessive , and if you cant change that fact of nature you cant change White Supremacy .

You can destroy it....
but it cannot be morally persuaded, because the basis of Racism is genetic survival.

A worlds minority trying to guarantee that they will always be around....


Lastly ..ponder this... en route to the Johannesburg Intl Airport.. There are advertisements enticing young African women to have complete hysterectomy's for $500.00 U.S dollars

which us brings us back to the Obamaholic avoiding all the current scandals.... with these blog tid bit articles about racism....

Before:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/01/23/us-obama-abortion-idUSTRE50M3PQ20090123

After:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/62765/the-shocking-stats-about-rising-rate-of-unsafe-abortions-in-africa

It takes a world of billions to hold us back said...

"A worlds minority trying to guarantee that they will always be around...."

Your understanding of genetics is quite limited, but that aside, what do you envision a world without white people would look like? Mexico? Zimbabwe?

Scary, isn't it?

Don't worry, it' not going to happen.

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

what do you envision a world without white people would look like? Mexico? Zimbabwe?


Thats not ,my psychosis...

So I really have no thoughts on it...

However it seems to be your first or main concern ...

Go figure...

It takes a world of billions to hold us back said...

Go figure...
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Touché.

So....if "racism is a psycho-biological survival system", is anti-racism genocide?

BLACKISBEAUTIFUL said...

So....if "racism is a psycho-biological survival system", is anti-racism genocide?

No that would be just be the natural response to any form of oppression.

It takes a world of billions to hold us back said...

Fighting against racism, as in the Civil Rights movement, was a natural response to oppression.

But what about the "anti-racism" of today? The one that teaches white children that they are born with original sin that cannot be forgiven.

The anti-racism that comes up with concepts like "white privilege", "collective guilt" and "disparate impact" to counter the lack of overt, visible, identifiable racism from whites.

The anti-racism that publicly cheers the demographic decline of whites and tacitly endorses violence against them as just retribution for past crimes.

The anti-racism that justifies explicit government policies that keep working class whites out of jobs and colleges.

Oppression gets real when the government does it.

Or your own statement, that whites cannot be morally dissuaded from racism but must be destroyed. How are we supposed to work with that?

The problem with pushing, pushing, pushing is that eventually someone winds up in a corner. Then shit gets real.

field negro said...

It takes a world of billions.....you have got to be kidding me.

Anonymous said...

The reality of all this is: No country for African people, period!!!