Tuesday, August 17, 2010

An education agenda is a terrible thing to waste.

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You all need to stop sending me links like this. A brother is trying to concentrate on writing his post. Eco Soul, I have mad love for you, and I know the point of your post was sisters getting their work out on, but sometimes a picture can get in the way, if you know what I am "sayin".

Anyway, let me stop before folks start calling me James Vine. James, you are one sick dude.

Anywhooo, tonight I am not going to chase my man racism. He is too easy to catch. Hell, when he starts f#*&^%g with black celebrities without a care in the world, I might as well leave his ass alone. There is nothing I can do from here, so go on with your bad self Big R. It's your world.

I do want to talk about a serious subject, and if we overcome it, we can tell Big R to kiss our collective black asses. Why? Because then it really won't matter what he does; we will already have ours, and thanks to the laws in this great country, there is not a damn thing he will be able to do about it.

The serious problem is education; or a lack of it among young black males. I heard Brian Williams yapping about it on NBC Nightly News, and I already knew there was a problem, but damn! Only forty seven percent of black males are graduating high school in this country. And, in my hometown of Philly- and in places like New York- it's twenty seven percent. Now that is some scary stuff. Oh we talk about it, and we are aware of it, but can we really do anything about it?

I know one thing; the HNIC's that are in charge aren't doing the job. It's one fancy program after another, and none of it is doing any damn good. "No Child Left Behind";"Race To The Top", what's the difference? None of them are working. I suspect that the folks implementing these programs with their fancy Ed.D's and assortment of letters have no clue about motivating young black men to learn. A think tank here, a think tank there, and people trying to score cheap political points at the expense of our children.

Some programs, to be sure, have been working. Urban Prep in Chicago comes to mind. And apparently the charter schools up in Harlem are kicking butt. So, help me out here, why aren't the folks who were instrumental in starting some of these schools not in serious decision making positions in Washington? Whose job is it to find these people and put the brightest and hardest working people together to come up with solutions? One problem, to be sure, is ego. I have been in the room and seen the my degree is better than yours interplay that takes place among folks who are supposed to be about the business of educating. It's depressing. And folks like me who -just want to give a helping hand- throw our hands up and say f*&k it! That's almost where I was, (almost) until I watched Brian Williams yapping about it on Nightly News, as if it was all taking place in some foreign country and not right in his back yard. (Well, not his back yard, but you know what I am saying; it's here in A-merry-ca. )

Education is still the great equalizer, and it's time these youngsters realise it.


*Pic lifted from a wingnut website. Sorry, I don't remember the name.


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NSangoma said...

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WaveLength said...

I'm new here and will just jump in:

Texas school boards determining how school text books will be written certainly doesn't help.

However, I'm not sure that it's necessary to have another, new round of "Let's Improve Our Schools Now" (or whatever the national team slogan is) task force report. In fact, I think the feds should just get out of the decision making process and begin to facilitate organic growth of great ideas in all of the schools. Grant money to prime the pumps in all school districts for innovative programs would be one idea.

The real question, though, is how to get the message through to kids who have no reason to believe they have a responsibility to themselves to get an education.

Trapped in SC said...

First off, that is a indictment on how sad a lot of us black men are. You know the type. The guys on Maury who jump up and down like they've won a championship upon learning that they are not a child's father.

Do we have, as blacks and as Americans, the courage to tell the truth as to why 47% of our black men cant't get high school diplomas? You would think in this day and age, they would see the correlation between education level and unemployment rate.

That we have lost untold numbers of uncultivated minds in the search for "swag" and status aided and abetted by BET, MTV, and the music industry with no regard for the outcomes that come about? That these children, as a lot of us do, have a perception of the world and what it owes them that is far different that the actuality of reality. I think that a lot of the younger folks living now think that there will be a place for you simply because are black. That there will be a job for you, or a check for you, or a record deal, or a hookup or payback extended to you if for no other reason that for the way you look and the way that people who looked like were treated (or are treated still, if you want to be honest).

That children who have a negligible amount of athletic ability have been brainwashed into thinking that they will be the next LeBron or Kobe?

That many of these children simply don't see learning as important or they don't have an intrinsic desire to become educated? Or that the mothers and "fathers" can show up for each football and basketball game, but are simply too busy to be burdened with PTO meetings and parent-teacher conferences?

That its very likely that a 10 year old child may live in a home with a 28 year old mother, a 46 year old grandmother, a 68 year old great-grandmother, and no father?

But I have a serious question. Why do our kids need community centers, after school programs, incentives to go to school, busing across town to learn beside white kids (as if black kids learn through Caucasian osmosis), and all sort of political gimmicks instead of telling our parents to be parents and our kids to learn or get the fuck out of the house?

Anonymous said...

FN-

I notice how you conveniently take digs at black women. AMERICAN women need to get their work out on in much greater numbers. Believe it or not there are more fat white women in america than black ones DESPITE what you see on tv and the media.

Funnier still, is the fact that black men REALLY don't seem to have a problem with fat women. Just look at the white women they covet when they are not millionaire negroes. Truthfully, the problem is BLACK fat women for quite a few black men. Tell the truth and shame the devil FN.

Black women MUST in greater numbers start taking care of themselves FIRST and FOREMOST. On a spiritual, physical, and financial level. More black women/girls must eliminate ALL unhealthy relationships, with folks AND food. As more black women/girls recognize and exercise their dating/mating options, this resolve will work for you.

And while we are on the subject, there are a grip of big bellied fat black men schlepping around acting like they are the business. LOL. Wanna address that fact? Probably not, sensitive lot black males are. The bulk of the "in shape" black males are contributing mightily to the prison business.

Now, as it relates to the post:

Black men, in MUCH larger numbers MUST stop with the nonsense and start PARENTING their children. Both gender children NEED both their mothers AND FATHERS. It is for this reason, God require BOTH in order to CREATE children. Parenting is not simply writing checks (willingly or by court order) and TELEparenting occasionally, if that, either.

God never intended for women to socialize boys, alone, to be men. Nor is it the GOVERNMENT'S responsibility. Seriously, you want folks in Washington to make the descendants of those that were historically punished for seeking literacy and education to have greater appreciation? Really?

It will take the menfolk to stress to their sons that they must chase education, opportunities, and resources as diligently as most black men chase sex. Hello? But first, their fathers will need to BE the example.

I am sure our ancestors weep at the collective squandering of their blood equity and the opportunities it affords us.

Before folks decide to bash BW, quite a few black women have been abandoned by their fathers, raised solely by their mothers, withstood tremendous obstacles, physical violence and sexual abuse to STILL pursue education in greater numbers. Aren't the MEN supposed to stronger than the womenfolk? More black males need to pull their pants up and step up! More black folks need to start telling the truth and hold black men/boys accountable for their choices and behavior. Coddling them is destroying them.

For the hypersensitive males and their loyal female protectors be advised, this comment does NOT address ALL black men, just a large and growing number of them.

Anonymous said...

"First off, that is a indictment on how sad a lot of us black men are. You know the type. The guys on Maury who jump up and down like they've won a championship upon learning that they are not a child's father."

Who is Maury?

Trapped in SC said...

"It will take the menfolk to stress to their sons that they must chase education, opportunities, and resources as diligently as most black men chase sex."

That was awesome.

Shit, if we did that we would have 10 black presidents by now.

Anonymous said...

"I notice how you conveniently take digs at black women. AMERICAN women need to get their work out on in much greater numbers. Believe it or not there are more fat white women in america than black ones DESPITE what you see on tv and the media."

Not true. In Oakland all you see are big fat bw and I hardly see any big fat sloppy ww. It's the same in Atlanta, too.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:37 why don't you stop being a coward when you want to blast away and come out with your regular id?

Anonymous said...

"Shit, if we did that we would have 10 black presidents by now."

Well, that is not going to happen. Blacks are addicted to tv shows like Jerry Springer and Maury and Judge Judy. Those shows do nothing for the mind. No question about it, we are the least educated group in America. Btw, that makes us the dumbest race.

Anonymous said...

Pssst...I will tell you a secret:

The educational level or lack thereof is directly related to the soaring OOW rates in the black community.

BOTH BM and BW must do their part to apply a stigma and fix that hemorraghing (sp) mess.

And yes, I have noticed that quite a few black men give their women children the afterthought most afford their bowel movements. NONE whatsoever.

Anonymous said...

"Anon 10:37 why don't you stop being a coward when you want to blast away and come out with your regular id?"

I merely asked an honest question, "who was Maury?" And that is blasting?

Anonymous said...

"And yes, I have noticed that quite a few black men give their women children the afterthought most afford their bowel movements. NONE whatsoever."

Please explain yourself. I don't quite understand what you are talking about.

Anonymous said...

"Not true. In Oakland all you see are big fat bw and I hardly see any big fat sloppy ww. It's the same in Atlanta, too."

So...I am going to invite you to put on your thinking cap and focus. I feel confident that you will be able to figure out why in Oakland and Atlanta you may see more black folks...period.

LOL!

Really?

Anonymous said...

Dear Field, it's taking a long time for approval in previous threads. Sometimes it been hours.....What gives?

Hathor said...

God never intended for women to socialize boys, alone, to be men. Nor is it the GOVERNMENT'S responsibility.

For millennia the socialization of boys to men was the conscription; the braves, the warrior class, the initiation ceremonies.

La♥audiobooks said...

A presumably black male anony said... "Not true. In Oakland all you see are big fat bw and I hardly see any big fat sloppy ww. It's the same in Atlanta, too."

So I guess that means Oakland and Atlanta completes the entire United States of America. More proof for the main topic of this post...


To the first Anony 10:37 pm, Bravo!

Anonymous said...

"So...I am going to invite you to put on your thinking cap and focus. I feel confident that you will be able to figure out why in Oakland and Atlanta you may see more black folks...period."

No I don't see more Blacks than Whites. In fact, it's just the opposite for me. But maybe you do. You see, it depends on where you live. Either way, there are still a lot more fat bw than ww. You are in profound denial.

Even Michelle Obama will tell you that.

Anonymous said...

"And yes, I have noticed that quite a few black men give their women children the afterthought most afford their bowel movements. NONE whatsoever."

Please explain yourself. I don't quite understand what you are talking about."

Let me say it a different way:

Quite a few black men don't give the women they impregnate and the children that result ANY thought after they have satisfied the impulse.

Just as it is the responsibility of women to not become impregnated by men that did not esteem them enough to marry them. It is also the responsibility of men to not impregnate women they would not marry.

The time to determine whether this woman is wife material, vindicative, malicious, or any of the many other excuses I have heard for why folks are not taking care of their children; is BEFORE she becomes pregnant. AFTERWARDS, you have already made your bed.

Be clear, I teach the flip side to women. Those women that seek to keep the children from the fathers for their many different irrelevant selfish reasons. BEFORE was the time to vet and get clear. AFTERWARDS, you have made your bed. Suck it up and do in the best interest of the CHILD.

After a bowel movement, how many folks really spend time in deep thought about said bowel movement? That's why I said that before. LOL!

Anonymous said...

LAA, "So I guess that means Oakland and Atlanta completes the entire United States of America. More proof for the main topic of this post..."

Oh come on, LAA. You know bw are more over weight than ww. Our kids certainly are. A lot of it has to do with our diet. Of course, if you want to deny it, go ahead. That won't change the truth.

That's our problem. We won't look at the truth. Until we do, there is nothing we can do because you can't change anything you are unwilling to accept.

Anonymous said...

anon11:08pm thanks for clearing things up.

whitey said...

I argued in Af.Am. History back in '82 that quality accessible education was the only possible reparation for slavery, and that the state of urban education was the #1 civil rights issue in the country. But then, I am white (really white) and the there was too much to fight, under Reagan, had already largely become a delaying action on reform rollbacks.

If you're not born rich or both amazingly talented and and freakishly lucky, education's your only real shot at wealth and wealth is the only path to security.

La♥audiobooks said...

Just a side note: I once heard a black guy complain that he didn't see his child for over a year because the "evil baby mama" blocked him. So, I asked him why he didn't once visit the child at the school when the "evil baby mama" wasn't around? Silence.

Anony 11:12, I wasn't denying anything. The thing is, most black women are also emotional eaters, it helps many cope with the hardship of being a black female in this oppressive, sexist, non-supportive and anti-black female society both racially external and internal.... etc etc and etc.

hennasplace said...

We have to be honest and say that the current curriculum not no longer fits the needs of the society. The curriculum is still based on rote teaching with the concentration of producing workers. The fact that schools have killed creativity, there is an article written a few weeks ago in Newsweek about how the creativity crisis in education. The article does not just talk about creating art or music, the creating original ideas and thoughts. The article mentioned a school in Ohio that the kids come up with a solution to reduce noise in the library, it seems no one thought that constructing a library on the noisiest side of the building would not be a good idea. That's education for you, but I digress. The students were sectioned off into groups to come up with the best cost-effective and efficient noise reduction. This is where the creative process fuels learning because it is through this flow that the kids learned about science and physics because you know how sound comes about and the kids probably learned geometry and math equations to help with the solution. Creativity is also about problem solutions, there are times when you need to be wrong in order to do more exploring to find best or right answer. Collaboration also occurred in the process as some the groups came together to find noise reduction solution. The kids did find a solution to the noise problem in the library. However, the country seems not to have a great appreciation for creativity. I think many of the kids are sitting in classroom across this country are bored, and think it's probably a big part of the reason why kids drop out. I have to tell you that I hated going to elementary school because I was bored. The school had me in Title One classes at the time because my reading and math was not up to par, and I have to tell that if it wasn't for my mother buying books like World Book Encyclopedia, and subscriptions to National Geographic, Highlights, and Jack & Jill and my tendency to daydream I probably would have lost my mind. There was a time in 6th grade when the teacher asked the class to write an essay about Alex Hailey, so watch whatever news program or read any newspaper article about the AH and his book Roots to write my essay. It was the first time any teacher asked me to write something of nature that injected my thoughts. I was the only person who got an A because the rest of the class did not know to put words onto paper, we only knew multi-choice. I later learned in college while taking a course in educational psychology that the majority of people statistically do better with answering multi-choice questions than writing answers in essay form. My professor couldn't understand why I received a D on the multi-choice portion of the exam, but received an A- on the essay. I told her I hated multi-choice tests because writing essay was better for my thought process, and may discover in the process that my original thesis could be wrong and that is a challenge for me.

hennasplace said...

Kids are not challenged, they are learning with the sad repetitive 2 + 2 = 4. You are taught how, but the question why does not occur in the learning process. I wanted to why 2 + 2 = 4 and the answer is correct, but why. I wanted to know came up with this, what is this math thing that you speak of, and how does it apply or relate to everyday life. Think of the people you think may be brilliant, but also creative like Bill Gates, Albert Eintein, and George Washington Carver. George found literally 10 of dozens of uses for the peanut and other food stuffs to better the lives of people. You see I haven't written so much that over an hour has past. I started writing at the beginning of a TV show and the show is over and another has begun.

We can create as many charter schools and close schools that are no longer performing, but it will not change the fact that way we teach isn't working. Besides, school vouchers is not a new concept as the idea has existed as far back as the 1790s when there was a debate about the country having private or public schools. This is just a distraction to avoid the fact the curriculum sucks and they are teaching kids to take tests and not creativity.

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Anonymous said...

La♥audiobooks said...
"Anony 11:12, I wasn't denying anything. The thing is, most black women are also emotional eaters, it helps many cope with the hardship of being a black female in this oppressive, sexist, non-supportive and anti-black female society both racially external and internal.... etc etc and etc."

You must be really fat.

Anonymous said...

Trapped in SC said...
"It will take the menfolk to stress to their sons that they must chase education, opportunities, and resources as diligently as most black men chase sex."

"That was awesome.

Shit, if we did that we would have 10 black presidents by now."

Because the vast majority of white Americans are not racist. Thanks for admitting that.

Anonymous said...

LAA, "I once heard a black guy complain that he didn't see his child for over a year because the "evil baby mama" blocked him. So, I asked him why he didn't once visit the child at the school when the "evil baby mama" wasn't around? Silence."

Maybe he didn't because he was afraid and it was against the law. My question to you was why didn't you agree with him that the mother was dead wrong?

Anonymous said...

"there are still a lot more fat bw than ww. You are in profound denial."

Ok...So I guess the Oakland and Atlanta you "see" would lead you to believe there are more BW than WW in America?!

Now, I was specific when I instructed you to put.on.your.thinking.cap. You need to do that and focus BEFORE you comment again.

FLOTUS is addressing CHILDHOOD obesity btw.

I don't do denial. Hence my earlier comment:

"Black women MUST in greater numbers start taking care of themselves FIRST and FOREMOST. On a spiritual, physical, and financial level. More black women/girls must eliminate ALL unhealthy relationships, with folks AND food."

Obesity is indicative of a greater problem. I embrace discipline in my journey; she/he that hates it, hates themselves, hence my single digit dress size and toned body. Don't sleep. Lol!

I am not trying to be rude, I am inviting you to wake up and THINK. It is not illegal...yet.

There are many more fat ww than black ones. Consistently pounding on black women for being fat is further efforts to beat down the black woman. And the same ones indulging in the practice will be the ones talking about how black women have poor self esteem. As a black woman, I am reserving the right to stand up and say enough! See, I don't believe in asking for a break. I take them. Those that it bothers will be alright...or not. Life is about choices.

Got it?

Kia said...

We need to make the Urban Prep program viral throughout America. Target the next innercity with the largest dropout rate, then the next, and keep going. I am sure people will volunteer to help if there is a system in place and we are made aware.

Anonymous said...

Anon, "You must be really fat."

anon, that was totally uncalled for. I recently joined OA and it has helped me a lot. There is a connection between food, stress and sex. Unfortunately, not too many bw show up for help. It's a shame.

Anonymous said...

The problem is black culture. Not you (the educated people who post on this blog) but the millions who watch a lot of BET and live on government cheese.

Face it, it can be fun being black. The option is there not to have to study, or work hard, because there's always the cop out that you're being held down by the man and hey, let's party.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Earl Butz was right, all (most) blacks want is tight pussy, loose shoes, and a warm place to shit. ...

Anonymous said...

"I am not trying to be rude, I am inviting you to wake up and THINK. It is not illegal...yet."

Yes you are. And you are also in denial about that. Nevertheless, who will listen to a mean-spirited condescending person like you, anyway?...miss fp.

Anonymous said...

That was FP? Oh boy. UTS is going to have a field day tomorrow with her and LAA. There will be nothing left of them when he finishes.

Anonymous said...

Val-

Now, I invite you to look at numbers of Whites to Black in this country and vice versa. See the problem with the percentages?

Furthermore, IF you are the head of the class, which Whites are in this nation. They ARE the dominant group. WHY would those in remedial courses try to act like they don't need to study in order to at least catch up if not be competitive? WHY?! Why handicap yourself further?!


Val,it was numbers that I was addressing with the other commenter that spoke to fat BW. Numerically speaking, there are FEWER fat BW DESPITE folks trying to act like BW wrote the book on obesity.

Care to address THAT? Val? Lol.

La, you are correct that BW are engaging in unhealthy relationships with food. I addressed that earlier. Emotional eating is NOT healthy. It is imperative for our survival and in the interest of self love that we replace those bad habits with good ones. Go for a walk or a run. Meditate. Because after one finishes seeking solace in food as a means of dealing with the open hostility directed at them from black folks and white folks alike in this society, then they have extra pounds and more reasons to be ridiculed. We MUST empower ourselves. Big hug to you La. I enjoy reading your contributions to this blog.

Val said...
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La♥audiobooks said...

'You must be really fat."

If thinking that about me helps you to feel comfortable in some way, then go right ahead. Everyone needs a technique to help them cope with things they don't like or things they don't like to hear. LOL.

Anony said... "Maybe he didn't because he was afraid and it was against the law. My question to you was why didn't you agree with him that the mother was dead wrong?"

In his case it wasn't against the law and there wasn't any type of custody battle or restraining orders. Where I live, parents or guardians can show up to their child's school, get a pass, and speak to the teacher/s or child during certain times - especially the elementary level. I'm sure there are many schools in the mainland US that also practice this.

And no the mother wasn't wrong. His idea of "blocking" was not being able to "pop up" unannounced to the mother's home without calling ahead of time. My ex used to do this to me also, I think its a form of spitefulness, control and disrespect. There are boundaries a non-custodial parent (or anyone for that matter) should understand and adhere to. Now, the guy I was initially referring to could have filed for joint or visitation rights, but we all know with court ordered visitation it wouldn't be on his "whenever I feel like showing up" terms, it would have to be consistent. And we also know what the courts would require him to do financially.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines when some "baby daddys" come with their sad story. And yes there are spiteful "baby mamas", but to me, there are much more of the "baby daddys" who are not forthcoming with the truth.

alicia banks said...

ditto fn!

parents are children's first teachers

education begins at home

nclb = designer academic genocide

until we fix the parents/homes, we are doomed!

ie:

that icon/dunce soulja boy bragging about D's before his fake pr spin!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om4eqmF1hlM


One advantage that African-American kids have over most people in the world is the ability to speak English. It's the international language of business. To be a success anywhere on the globe, you have to speak it. But we're letting this advantage slip away too. Many of our kids don't want to speak English. In our day, we used to talk a certain way on the corner, but when we got into the house, we switched to English.We used to blame the kids for talking this way until we heard some of their parents. Some black parents couldn't care less.

Most black employers we know want to see the entire community prosper. But even they don't want to hire boys who can't dress properly, and who speak as if English were a second language. When we see these boys walking around the neighborhood, we imagine them thirty or forty years down the road wandering around just as aimlessly, and we want to cry.

A mother can usually teach a daughter how to be a woman. But as much as mothers love their sons, they have difficulty showing a son how to be a man. A successful man can channel his natural aggression. Without that discipline, these sons often get into trouble at school because many teachers find it difficult to manage their "acting out" behavior. If you think we're exaggerating, talk to a teacher.



http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/the-impending-doom-of-a-nation---our-horrid-schools.html


http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1c13a70860f.html

La♥audiobooks said...

Thank YOU Anony 11:55 pm (wink wink), and I enjoy yours as well.

Anonymous said...

La♥audiobooks said...
'You must be really fat."

If thinking that about me helps you to feel comfortable in some way, then go right ahead. Everyone needs a technique to help them cope with things they don't like or things they don't like to hear. LOL."

The cat avatar was the real tipoff. You must be north of 300 lbs. More to love, I say...

Anonymous said...

Anon @11:46 PM

Seems like your feelings were hurt. I notice those that deal most INsensitively with BW tend to be the MOST sensitive. I am NOT a soft target. You will be ok.

Folks talking ish and spreading lies about BW annoy me. I come just as hard with them as they do with BW. You, like most, can't take it; you just like to serve it up.

You don't have to listen to me. It won't change the truth of my assertion.

I don't do denial. Nor do I consume the media that seeks to poison my mind against myself and black women. I make no apologies for being healthy, in sound mind, and reserving the right to call it as I see it.

alicia banks said...

anon:

ditto!!

i think fat white women love dating the very same black men who would never date fat black women...mostly because most white men prefer their women anorexic and black men do not force them to be hungry!

ie

camryn m dated gregory hines and jesse l. martin... and at the same time!

i bet neither man would date monique/star jones pre-surgery etc

for euro bros who hate black skin and their own faces, a fat wf = more white skin to adore

shame!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-snM-JqAW8&feature=fvst

alicia banks said...

i live in ar and il and i see huge fat white women daily...

and
i see tiny black women daily

but the fat white women usually have a thin black man on their arms

while the fat black women i see are usually solo

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de39f430860d.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de39f40f860d.html

alicia banks said...

alice walker said it best:

"the thinner the life
the thicker the hips"

poverty breeds obesity
for emotional and financial reasons...

and MOST poor people of all races are fat as rich women have gyms/trainers/better diets/THICK lives with less stress etc

Anonymous said...

sit down and shut up buceta breath

alicia banks said...
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alicia banks said...

laa:

i want to be YOU when i grow up

you take a lot of misogynist abuse herein and far more graciously than i do

peace

alicia banks said...

henna:

i promise you that NOTHING can engage children who are buck wild/adhd/crack babies/never sleep/never have a decent meal/hate books/have 0 interest in learning/come to school to eat/fight/date etc...

absolutely nothing.

Students who never behave will never learn. Students who are never taught to revere education at home will never excel in schools. Students who torture teachers will never encourage superior educators to remain in classrooms.

Academic ability is more important than ever before in our global economy. Children must now compete with global intellectuals. Retirement is a fiscal fantasy in an increasingly technological world, where students must learn many skills for perpetual job changes. Today, an inability to learn is suicidal.

Anonymous said...

"Off-topic: Is it really that difficult to set up a blogger
account?"

WHY do folks try so hard to control others?

It is not about "difficulty", it is about desire. You desire a blogger account and have one. I don't and...don't. Simple.


And the OOW rate has much to do with the lack of educational attainment on the part of black males.

Men regulate the behavior of other men/males. In the absence of men, by the age of thirteen, quite a few black males start trying to do what they WANT to do not what they NEED to do. So unless they can graduate BEFORE they smell themselves as my Grandpa used to say... SHRUG. Playing with the numbers and percentages will in no way change this fact.

While we discuss lack of education, anyone care to see what these fellas are up to while they roam around in unproductive packs? They have replaced the old school three R's with new school three R's: Raping, Robbing, Reaking Havoc! Folks were talking about white safety zones, when peace walls are erected holding folks IN undesirable areas...Woe be to those that did not have an ear to hear. The black male female protectors need to hold their posts. Ya'll will get a chance to see what you got coming by way of appreciation. Take a peek at Congo, Rwanda, South Africa, Haiti and Dunbar Village for a quick look at coming attractions.

There are more White people in America period. For some peculiar reason folks remember this when it is time to protect black males and their wee little feelings. When Black Women are being lamblasted...CRICKETS. LOL.

Carry on...it is the White Man's fault, Black Women, and not enough focus in Washington that black males don't blah blah blah...

I am done.

alicia banks said...

hp:

what these toxic spawn WILL do is:

rob superior peers with superb parents of their educations

stress and destroy teachers who will flee in droves

and that is why our public schools are fatally bleeding!

alicia banks said...

anon:

preach!

&

just as most who attack teachers have NEVER spent one day in any public school...

most who bash black women have never loved or known a queen

Well said...

The short answer to your question is the following: not much can be done. The problem has been festering for so long and it's so multi-faceted that only a nation wide policy change-along with an enormous outlay of resources- would do any good. You have to go about changing economics, culture, infrastructure, perceptions about governmental involvement, etc. And that's just not likely to happen outside of a nationwide effort.

Anonymous said...

AB-

The way that La deals with her haters is not only gracious but humorous and clever. Sometimes in my mind's eye, I see her brushing her shoulder off. LOL!

Anonymous said...

Fp, "Seems like your feelings were hurt. I notice those that deal most INsensitively with BW tend to be the MOST sensitive. I am NOT a soft target. You will be ok.

Folks talking ish and spreading lies about BW annoy me. I come just as hard with them as they do with BW. You, like most, can't take it; you just like to serve it up."

I am not insensitive toward bw. That may be your perception, though. However, your perception is your deception. Your judgment of bm is your own lack of sensitivity, which leaves you isolated as a human being. It is clear that you have been deeply hurt by a bm and I am sorry for that.

But I didn't do it and you can't make all bm pay for the man who betrayed you.

Anonymous said...

AB, why didn't you stand up for me in the comment section of the previous thread? I put my reputation on the line for you and you said nothing! I thought you were the courageous type but you are really a marshmellow.

Anonymous said...

not only is she a marshmellow but shes also a piece of stinkin festerin garbage that produces these phukked up gems:

"i promise you that NOTHING can engage children who are buck wild/adhd/crack babies/never sleep/never have a decent meal/hate books/have 0 interest in learning/come to school to eat/fight/date etc...

absolutely nothing.

Students who never behave will never learn. Students who are never taught to revere education at home will never excel in schools"
buceta breath moron

if this comment isnt the most elitist foul perception of education and learning then eye dont know what is!!!
so much for ur black activism huh ya dumb chrick! so much for actually caring about little black (and other) children who mite have started off in dire strates but need guidance

ur commentary really shows that u r an elitist and likely do not have real classroom experience

any fool worth their salt in teaching can tell u that even crack babies have the capacity to learn AND that intellectual ability can be stymied by external factors but neuroplasticity can totally overcome those nasty influences if the child is guided properly and that is part of teaching u phukking moron; GUIDING and SUPPORTING the children

people like u r the types who only show affection to kids when they get good grades but Gawd forbid if they falter academically cuz ude dispose of them with the quickness which is why the world thanks Gawd that u aint had no kids chrick!

U r what is wrong in education buceta breath moron U and those who think like u r gatekeeping fools who think that education should only occur for a select few and that the rest of the people be damned! how dare u purport to care about black people and say that type of shit!
just goes to show that a supposed 250 iq sheds absolutely NO insight into how to solves these types of problems and that even those with supposed *cough* high IQs come to erroneous conclusions
u r a pathetic piece of catshit with nothing upstairs but elitist thoughts about how smart u and the chosen r
wonder how u would have dealt with a student like field who is obviously intelligent and dyslexic if eyem not mistaken
u really r a bane in the world eye hope u die penniless and without good company u deserve it cuz eyem certain that u have abused children in ur care u phukkwad!

*parola*

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 12:57 AM-

Thanks for the compliment, however, I am not Fp. What is your obsession with Fp anyways? Why are you imagining Fp and seeing Fp in places where Fp is not? Fix that.

Just as you have chosen to be Anon, so have I. Respect that.

There are many black women that are refusing to be silent any longer. Polite silence in the interest of not hurt wee little feelings is not working. Furthermore, if you love folks, you will tell them the truth.

You said:

"Your judgment of bm is your own lack of sensitivity, which leaves you isolated as a human being. It is clear that you have been deeply hurt by a bm and I am sorry for that.

But I didn't do it and you can't make all bm pay for the man who betrayed you."


Ok...would that fall under "bitter"? Because you know that is the script for anyone calling it. LOL! It is ok, let me help you, because I am a giver... "bitter, fat, man hating, lesbian, and can't get a man". See, I know the routine. I am immune and committed to calling it like I see it.

And what do you mean "you didn't do it?" What? Ok, clearly YOU have an issue or two that you may want to log out and get busy working on.

My "insensitivity" to some black men's need to have their crazy co-signed does not leave me isolated. I was speaking of numbers and percentages earlier. See, I am at peace with the fact that the percentages of black men about their business and the numbers of available ones are REAL slim. I don't have a preference for hue in men. Never did. So I don't suffer from niether isolation nor loneliness. I have really good Black Men in my life whom I love dearly and they me. My partner is Italian. I am good. Thanks for your concern nevertheless.

Do you do the whole BW must have really hurt you when you hear black males talking dishonest ish about BW or do you reserve your song and dance for black women that will tell the truth about quite a few black males? Hmmm? Because if you look at what I have written, you can not say for a moment that I am lying. I love black folks enough to tell the truth. Like I said, you will be alright. Or maybe I should say Aiiight? LOL!

AB-

Maybe, if time permits, you could tell the slim solo sistas you see in your area the importance of opening their options. Believe it or not, some black women will not move to the exit and out to other options without a nudge. LOL! Despite it being the OBVIOUS move. It is like they are waiting for permission---and it really is not coming. I am very happy I never had that issue.

brohammas said...

Yo Field, I read as much of these comments as I could, scanning really, and I didn't see anyone mention the name Geoffrey Canada? The schools kicking butt up in Harlem are because of him, Obama does listen to him, and he is an example of someone doing more than all of us digital diatribers put together.
Whatever all the pronlems are, he is really trying to solve them.

Big ups to G. Canada

field negro said...

I didn't mean to start a thread about obesity...honest. But hey, folks speaking their minds is always a good thing.

BTW, I am seeing more and more PMT and POT of the black persuasion in the gym these days. If Michelle is responsible for that, good for her.

Trapped and Wave Length you both were dropping some serious knowledge. I feel you on the education thing.

"We have to be honest and say that the current curriculum not no longer fits the needs of the society. The curriculum is still based on rote teaching with the concentration of producing workers. The fact that schools have killed creativity, there is an article written a few weeks ago in Newsweek about how the creativity crisis in education"

hennasplace, that's a great point.

"Dear Field, it's taking a long time for approval in previous threads. Sometimes it been hours.....What gives?"

Just one field.

hennasplace said...

I would interesting in learning how the charter schools are teaching the children. I believe that school should teach in a setting where the curriculum is more project driven than kids just sitting and listening to the teacher talk. I read the article by Jason Riley, but the question I have is in what ways are the charter schools in Harlem are successful. And the money that is being made from charter school because they are owned by private companies as well and it would be interesting to discover their motives. Are the children engaged and are they really being challenged in charter schools? These are questions that I have because I am perpetually 8 years old and need to know the what, why, where, when, and how. We need to know why it's successful and also ask why isn't this success being being used throughout the rest of public schools. I have this feeling that charter school is a vehicle to end public education to a private system where everyone will have to pay for school. This will mean that poor people who are already at a disadvantage will be further disenfranchise. What we have to understand the intentions and motives of others. In New York City, big businesses are fueling the charter school business. I find it suspect that these charter schools are quoting 100% success rates. I am not saying that the charter schools are not more successful than other public schools, but it may not be at the number its quoting. It reads too much like informercial to me because they are essentially guaranteeing all kids that attend these charter will get into college. I think they weeded out the students who didn't get into college and fudged the numbers a bit. There is a question about the percentage of students attended charter will graduate from college and we do not know that information. We have to remember that the majority of people in this country do not have college degrees across the broad. I just want to know more.

Hathor said...

hennasplace,
I always felt that charter schools self select and they also reinforce segregation. I know the latter doesn't seem to bother people any more, but I don't like the idea that the first time a student competes with someone different is in the workplace. Charter schools also re-enforce separate and unequal, because the backers will put more funding in infrastructure in some charter schools and not others. The state may give identical money per student, but the resources vary from school to school. In some neighborhoods here in Philly, charter schools have almost replaced the regular public school and guess whose left behind, the neighborhood minorities.

Hathor said...

FN,
If you questioned what I've said, look at how many charter schools that are between 5th and Hunting Park and C and Erie and the student makeup verses the neighborhood makeup.

Shady_Grady said...

How do the current hs graduation rates compare to those of ten years ago? Twenty years ago? From the sixties or earlier?

Shady_Grady said...

All else equal I think children put the value on education that their parents do.

Of course all else is not equal and there's the issue..

Hathor said...

I also wonder what the graduation rate were for white males, living in industrialized cities 25 years ago. I work with their wives when they were locked out or on strike and those women had very little education.I was appalled how few had finished high school.

Anonymous said...

UTS UTS UTS UTS UTS UTS

FN needs you, you need to pop in here and tell him that these stats are damning black youth and black people and that they are not true, that blacks do not do worse than any other groups on academics.

Please UTS, save FN from his ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Hello people, the majority of black folks are middle class, this cannot be a problem in middle class black america.

Anonymous said...

LA BOOKS

Just a side note: I once heard a black guy complain that he didn't see his child for over a year because the "evil baby mama" blocked him. So, I asked him why he didn't once visit the child at the school when the "evil baby mama" wasn't around? Silence.

Do you know anything about the law? he was problem silent cause you are stupid.

Anonymous said...

Assnon 8:34 LOL

I just read all the damaging and desparaging remarks made by the blacks on this blog about black parenting, men etc. and though the same thing, where is UTS saying these stats lie.

As a side note, there are more black folks "living" in prison that living in colleges/universities.

Anonymous said...

http://www.sheldensays.com/census_study_of_blacks_in_prison.htm

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
AB-

The way that La deals with her haters is not only gracious but humorous and clever. Sometimes in my mind's eye, I see her brushing her shoulder off. LOL!

12:51 AM
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I agree, very gracious, insightful, and mentally tough.

I see both overweight and slim bw. I was becoming persuaded that most bw were overweight myself, that, when I now intentionally notice slim bw, I am pleasantly surprised. I think certain areas have differing challenges for both bw and ww. And yes, I do see ww with more adipose tissue with black men; but also with slim ww.

As for overweight bw, men in general, will discriminate against them much more harshly, than women of other ethnicities and racial backgrounds. It's just the way it is. Oyan

no_slappz said...

field, you wrote:

Only forty seven percent of black males are graduating high school in this country. And, in my hometown of Philly- and in places like New York- it's twenty seven percent. Now that is some scary stuff.

Yeah. Scary. And, like virtually every other number reported by nitwit journalists -- it's wrong.

The real graduation rates are much higher. They're lousy nonetheless, but not as bad as sensationalizing journalists or educrats crusading for more funding declare.

High Schools have poor accounting systems. Rarely does a school know why a student is no longer enrolled or where he goes when he leaves. People move from city to city, which means kids leave one school and enroll in another. A lot can happen that makes it impossible to know who graduates and who has permanently dropped out of school.

However, the numbers most often used to frighten Americans are more likely the numbers of black students who do not graduate ON SCHEDULE.

Meanwhile, there is no question that black students trail asians and whites on standardized tests. There is a learning gap that is real and measurable beginning in grade school.

Anonymous said...

Only forty seven percent of black males are graduating high school in this country

Can you believe FN said that? Set him straight. Or if it's true, OMG what do we think about this? OMG!!!

Anonymous said...

Education is still the great equalizer, and it's time these youngsters realise it.

Why don't negro kids recognize this??

no_slappz said...

anon 8:44, you wrote:

As a side note, there are more black folks "living" in prison that living in colleges/universities.

Yes, well, that's a function of how well they performed on the entrance exams for each institution. With respect to prison, the court system has judged blacks to be high achievers.

uptownsteve said...

"First off, that is a indictment on how sad a lot of us black men are. You know the type. The guys on Maury who jump up and down like they've won a championship upon learning that they are not a child's father."


Or guys who sit around watching bullshit like Maury.

uptownsteve said...

"As a side note, there are more black folks "living" in prison that living in colleges/universities."

That's a lie as is the 47 percent graduation number.

In 2005, according to the Census Bureau, there were 864,000 black men in college. According to Justice Department statistics, there were 802,000 in federal and state prisons and jails, "even with the old heads holding on," [director Janks] Morton says.

Between the ages of 18 and 24, however, black men in college outnumber those incarcerated by 4 to 1.



Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dave-pierre/2007/09/23/jesse-jackson-fact-check-more-blacks-jail-college#ixzz0wxiKr0pD

Anonymous said...

Troll Alert,

I just spent about 20 mins reading the HS and College graduation rates on the net from various sources. Day-um, the Blacks are LOW compared to others. Perhaps and inferior species? Where is the motivation to achieve? Fifty percent, that's an F. Blacks get an F in graduation. Sad really the state of affairs of Blacks in America. Maybe the Whites are right.

Anonymous said...

That's a lie as is the 47 percent graduation number

How is this a lie? Do some research, multiple web sources, reiable sources. You will find UTS that it's not a lie, it's a sad truth :(

no_slappz said...

field, you wrote:

Some programs, to be sure, have been working. Urban Prep in Chicago comes to mind. And apparently the charter schools up in Harlem are kicking butt. So, help me out here, why aren't the folks who were instrumental in starting some of these schools not in serious decision making positions in Washington?

Why? You must be kidding. The reason these programs work is simple. They can throw out the problem students.

Nothing wrong with that. Kids need to be where they fit best. But Washington cannot tolerate the notion or suggest in any way that some students are lousy students due to innate behavior/maturity issues or because they less smart than others.

In the la-las land of Washington, every kid has what it takes to enter and succeed at Harvard -- if enough money is spent.

no_slappz said...

uptownsteve, you wrote:

Between the ages of 18 and 24, however, black men in college outnumber those incarcerated by 4 to 1.

Count on you to get it wrong.

This is one of those statistics that is meaningless in so many ways.

Most blacks sent to jail as teenagers receive relatively short sentences. Thus, when studying the question of blacks -- college or prison -- the answer is not binary. Not either or.

It is not a question of whether more blacks are locked up or in the classroom.

Obviously, between the ages of 18 and 24, a black, or anyone, can spend a little time in jail and a little time in college.

It would be interesting to know what percentage of blacks and how many blacks spent time in both jail and college.

But the either/or question is meaningless.

Anonymous said...

WRONG Steve,
Poor citation of resource...c'mon you can do better than that.

In the college age group there are many more blacks in college than jail.

However, when you look at the overall number of blacks in jail versus the overall nunber in jail (all ages) then we see that there are more blacks "living" key word for stupid steve in jail than college.

maria said...

arne duncan, the current secretary of ed, was in charge of the chicago public school system before coming to DC. so the inner city folks ARE in charge of education policy in the federal govt.

give them a chance.

maria said...

http://www2.ed.gov/news/staff/bios/duncan.html

also, keep in mind right-wing america wouldn't even let obama speak to school kids on the first day in 2009. it was a farce of epic proportions.

how much is the federal government supposed to be doing vs. the local school systems..vs. parents.

uptownsteve said...

Ass-non

A more accurate number would be that 47 percent of black males in urban public schools do not graduate in 4 years.

Even no slappz acknowledge that public school systems have a poor record of accounting for transfers, moves, leaves of absenses etc.....

When I graduated from DeWitt Clinton HS in Bronx in 1978 I would a good 10% of my graduating class were guys over 20 who had dropped out initially for various reasons and then came back.

The graduation rates still suck, I'll agree.

For those who ask "where de daddies" or who shriek "black men have to start parenting their children" I say OPEN YOUR EYES.

We are going on 3 generations in the inner cities of unsocialized, uneducated children producing children.

Do you really believe that the fathers of these inner city HS dropouts are educated and employed???

They probably are dead, in jail or have been in jail.

C'mon people, how can we really deal with the problem when we are misdiagnosing what the damn problem is?

T

uptownsteve said...

"However, when you look at the overall number of blacks in jail versus the overall nunber in jail (all ages) then we see that there are more blacks "living" key word for stupid steve in jail than college."

Let's try this again for the learning impaired.

"In 2005, according to the Census Bureau, there were 864,000 black men in college. According to Justice Department statistics, there were 802,000 in federal and state prisons and jails, "even with the old heads holding on," [director Janks] Morton says."

Any links or evidence to support your position Ass-non?

Your contribution would be welcome as well slappy.

alicia banks said...

great parenting has NOTHING to do with race/class/income/gender/sexualityetc

great parents have character and ethics and teach the same to their children... just as they teach them to revere education and respect teachers etc...

i adore all children who have great parents/are great students

that is why i am a beloved and revered educator who has never taught at a private school

unlike the mere clueless theorists, actually i taught in urban ghettos by choice for decades

____

anon:

thanks!

i also educate adults

and i ALWAYS tell all bf to love ANY man who truly loves them back

i am not a racist...that is why i despise hobama nazis

see more happy black women opening their minds and hearts to STOP being suicidally loyal to bm who hate them:

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f18e0e21860f.html

Rottnkid said...

Anonymous said...
Education is still the great equalizer, and it's time these youngsters realise it.

Why don't negro kids recognize this??

8:58 AM

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I tell little "Street Pirates" aged 18-27 all the time - Take your ass to school. Trust me, it's a good thing. I show them my paycheck so they can actually see what gets taken out per pay cycle for child support and it "ain't" small. Tell them since they like to look "young, fly and flashy" that there's nothing wrong with actually using a belt for it's intended purpose. I actually used a line from a rap song to get my kid to think about his self appearance, "Shoulders, chest, pants, shoes - Wipe me down.". Shoulders back, chest out, pants pulled up, shoes clean. Corny as hell, but catchy to him - and it works. I try all sorts of stuff to keep me more relevant to him than the "streets"

alicia banks said...

henna:

charter schools are doing what all pvt schools do and that is why they excel!

they are:

ignoring/banning nclb bs!!!

enforcing 0 tolerance for horrid kids/slackers etc

giving 0 mercy to horrid absentee parents

and that trio of simple magic will transform any school

tragically, public schools are FORCED to coddle and endure human trash

just like mostly rabid's genes,
garbage in = garbage out!!!


Typically, private schools do not adhere to any of the genocidal and mindless tenets of NCLB. Private schools do not tolerate misbehavior or enable abusive or absentee parents. Teachers at private schools are allowed to teach, while public school teachers are forced to compulsively test and perpetually discipline. This is a tragic national disgrace!



As I grieve about leaving the wonderful babies and positive parents that I adore, I religiously read two books as therapy: Come on People: On the Path from Victims to Victors by Bill Cosby and Dr. Alvin Poussaint, and The Shame of the Nation: The Restoration of Apartheid Schooling in America by Jonathan Kozol. I recommend these two classic books to anyone who cares about education. I hope they heal your emotional wounds as they do mine.

http://neatoday.org/2010/04/21/florida-teacher-issues-rallying-cry-for-respect-for-educators/


http://www.nea.org/neatoday/0804/whytheyleave.html

http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/fea/20030407/202/339

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/the-impending-doom-of-a-nation---our-horrid-schools.html

Rottnkid said...

Reading back, my rant didn't make any sense..but I think ya'l know what I was getting at.

alicia banks said...

Student discipline

They're Your Problem

While many of the students in Tammy McCartney's Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, middle school classroom were attentive, more than a handful preferred to horseplay and wander the room. Administrators signed off on her plan to place troublesome students at an isolated desk in the corner, but that became a pipe dream in a room so crammed with students that one needed to turn sideways to walk the aisles. Administrators discouraged sending students to the office. When one absolutely needed to be sent, the teacher had to first stop and fill out a referral form, and even then the student was usually sent right back to the classroom, his or her behavior unchanged.

Compounding the problem were phone calls to parents that yielded indifference or blatant animosity. McCartney's breaking point came the day that a boy put a sweatshirt on as a pair of pants and waddled around the classroom, creating havoc. When she called his house, his mother said he must have just been cold, and hung up. "I said, 'I think I've had enough,'" McCartney, 29, says. She quit last spring.

Unmanageable discipline problems mean more than a headache in the classroom. For teachers like McCartney, they erode desire to invest time and energy in lesson plans that make the content come alive for students. Preservice training is often of little help, too. "We spent very little, if any, time on discipline," McCartney says of the training she received the summer before entering the classroom. "I entered the profession completely unprepared for discipline problems."

Deciding to leave devastated McCartney, a once optimistic and enthusiastic young teacher. "Gosh, it was a really big defeat," she says, letting out a deep breath. "Teaching is important, but I got to the point where I wasn't willing to sacrifice so much anymore."

http://www.nea.org/home/12630.htm

hennasplace said...

Hathor:

Your point is another thought to consider. There are some problems with charter schools that we are not aware of because they are not subjected to evaluation. People within the community are beginning to have questions as well. Education in this country is set up to be competitive and it's another thing that kills creativity and innovation. We have to do a better job at recognizing talents in children and focus on them. If Johnny does well in the arts, then create a curriculum for him that will nuture and support that talent. If Jane loves tinkering with gadgets to find out how they work, then create an environment that will allow her to do that. One size fit all education isn't working. I would like to see more entrepreneurial pursuits in schools. Kids should know the basics about managing money, and a good way of doing that is allowing them create a business such as opening and running a store with the teachers facilitiating. Let them start and grow a garden within the community and sell the produce, or at the very least they can the produce for their lunch. Do you realizing how many subjects a person is learning by starting and growing a garden? They get to learn about botany, geology, ecology, math, and even about weather patterns. Education in theory should be a nuturing environment for children to learn and grow, for them to discover a purpose and meaning in life. In addition, finding their talents. No doesn't know how to do anything, and to let you in on a little secret farming can be very lurative particularly organic farming. I'm just saying that there opportunities out there.

Rottnkid said...

AB checks this out, but as always it's all about the comments...

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2010/08/05/cornel-west-seems-angry-with-president-obama/

alicia banks said...

rk:

ditto

thanks!

cornel is my hero!
and he once adored hobama!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/dr-cornel-west-is-my-hero-1.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddde7040860b.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eebd48c860b.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddcf254b860b.html

Hathor said...

hennasplace,

At one time the creativity you speak of was fostered by the after school clubs. There are some schools that don't have the money to keep the schools open after school(overtime for the custodian) or teachers wouldn't be there to sponsor those clubs.

Even schools here that are devoted to specific talents have been put in the desegregation program, which fills up with previous private schools students at the high school level, thus the brilliant mechanic, artist or musician with a B - average gets ignored. That I can attest too.

alicia banks said...

i once watched a skinny 10 yr old angry female foster child beat down a grown teacher and a principal...when the police were called it took 3 young buff male police officers 15 minutes wrestling in a field to take her down...

most
teachers have to be locked in a room for 6 hrs daily with 25+ children who scare and rule their own parents etc...

if the teachers are lucky, 10 of those 25 do want to learn and behave

but the teacher will be forced to neglect and ignore those 10 to maintain a modicum of order with the other wild rude doomed 15

this is the cold hard reality that politicos and those who bother listening to them ignore

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13992378


http://newsone.com/nation/newsonestaff5/teacher-handcuffs-6-year-old-to-chair/

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2009/11/18/3515974-10-year-old-is-tasered-by-officer-in-arkansas

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13992378

alicia banks said...

another issue cowardly amoral politicos never touch as they unfairly blame teachers is:

MILLIONS of homeless and foster kids inside classrooms ADD to beavioral issues

via teasing, hygiene, mental issues, sexual abuse, angry acting out etc ALL of these classroom issues are directly related to how politicos abuse and ignore poor parents!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Rachel-Her-Children-Homeless-Families/dp/0449903397

hennasplace said...

Hathor:

You can foster creativity through a school project such as what the school did in Ohio by giving kids the assignment of finding an cost-effective and efficient way to reduce noise in the library. That was done during school hours. It can be built right into the curriculum. People do not realize this but creativity can be teach in school other ways than art and music which they need to have. Creativity is the ability to generate innovative ideas and manifest them from thought into reality. The process involves original thinking and then producing and better place than to do this than at school. I know many people know George Washington Carver to be a scientist, but he was also creative by producing products with the use of the peanut and sweet potato which were alternatives to cotton. He was dubbed as the Black Leonardo by Time Magazine in 1941 because he also had interests in painting, poetry, music, knitting and crochet.

alicia banks said...

the very same politicos that pimped and ignored poor parents with hobamacare also ignore how many students cannot learn because they are malnourished/ill/need glasses/can't hear etc...

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=articles/news/the_black_diaspora_news/21201

Anonymous said...

When I graduated from DeWitt Clinton HS in Bronx in 1978 I would a good 10% of my graduating class were guys over 20 who had dropped out initially for various reasons and then came back.

Therein lies the weakness of your argument. Just because is your experience Steve, it does not mean that it is reality for others. Again, a myopic vision of life.

Anonymous said...

People are confusing sources of data and types of data.

http://hellonegro.com/2007/10/22/true-or-false-more-black-men-in-jail-than-in-college/

This explains it bette, unfort. does not look good for blacks. Sorry uts.

alicia banks said...

anon:

ditto

in the real world, the stats are actually WORSE

ie many kids who DO graduate
have NOMINAL literacy skills

ALL colleges now require remedial freshmen courses because so many grads cannot pen a basic essay etc

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/3342827/Half-of-all-universities-have-to-teach-remedial-maths-and-English.html

alicia banks said...

usa:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/13/AR2010071304642.html


toxic parents and horrid schools are both global ills

no_slappz said...

With respect to the claims about College or Jail, it's worth knowing the correlation between getting sentenced to jail as a teenager or young adult and subsequently going to college.

Can we state that a black kid going to jail for a year or two is a kid who will never go to college?

Meanwhile, what PERCENTAGE of blacks between the ages of 18 and 24 serve a jail sentence?

And what PERCENTAGE in the same age group go to college for at least a semester?

alicia banks said...

ns:

ditto!

ask any college educator:

how many black men do you see daily?

even at morehouse, an academic icon, that only accepts the cream of the crop, black men are failing to graduate!

http://www.jbhe.com/features/50_blackstudent_gradrates.html

further proof of cultural and economic abuses by the same lying cowardly politicos who pretend this is a teacher issue

no_slappz said...

hennasplace, you wrote:

I know many people know George Washington Carver to be a scientist, but he was also creative by producing products with the use of the peanut and sweet potato which were alternatives to cotton.

Oh. So in your mind there is NO creativity in science. Beliefs like that one make YOU part of the problem.

He was dubbed as the Black Leonardo by Time Magazine in 1941 because he also had interests in painting, poetry, music, knitting and crochet.

Yeah. Sure. Open your eyes. G.W. Carver was gay. Like Leonardo. But Time was not about to mention the truth about Carver anymore than it was likely to mention the truth about Liberace.

alicia banks said...

http://newsone.com/nation/morehouse-shooter-gets-diploma-while-victim-does-not/


the realities we ignore will destroy us all

alicia banks said...

ditto

g w carver was very gay and out on campus...and so are many great black icons!

another reality ignored that dooms gay teens to suicide and gaybashing black fools to spewing bs to depress and erase gays etc...

see

great black & gay
http://aliciabanks.vox.com

no_slappz said...

hennasplace, you wrote:

There are some problems with charter schools that we are not aware of because they are not subjected to evaluation.

Total nonsense. Charter schools are hammered with evaluations because the Teachers' Union opposes them. They are public schools that receive taxpayer funding, which the Teachers' Union attempts to hog all for itself.

uptownsteve said...

ass-non

"Therein lies the weakness of your argument. Just because is your experience Steve, it does not mean that it is reality for others. Again, a myopic vision of life."

The weakness of your existence on this board is that you bring nothing to discussions except "I hate Steve."

Humorous to me but ultimately nothing of value to either the board or yourself.

uptownsteve said...

"Can we state that a black kid going to jail for a year or two is a kid who will never go to college?"

Nope.

Many examples of just the opposite.

As I stated earlier, I knew guys who had done time as high schoolers, came back graduated and went on to college.

Anonymous said...

As I stated earlier, I knew guys who had done time as high schoolers, came back graduated and went on to college.

And because that is your reality, it's everyone's. Nothing to do with hate old man. Your limited train of logic is means that whatever my experience, or anyone's for that matter is, is just as valid and "real" as widespread reality. Which is your weakness. Just because it is your story does not make it univeresal or even widespread. Now shouldn't you be working or something?

Anonymous said...

Gay Stevie does not work. He clocks in at 9:00 and then comes straight to this blog, which is his crack...grandpa crack. LOL

UTS, I hope you are not beating your wife. You know she hates that you spend all your time on this blog. Does she know you suck dick too? Do your boys know their daddy sucks dick? I am sure they would be proud.

Ass-non 69

no_slappz said...

hennasplace, you wrote:

...the question I have is in what ways are the charter schools in Harlem are successful.

For the single reason that caring parents are involved with the education of their children -- inside and outside of school.

And the money that is being made from charter school because they are owned by private companies as well and it would be interesting to discover their motives.

Another nitwit comment. You, like most nitwits, know nothing about school funding. The Harlem Children's Zone is funded largely by CHARITABLE CONTRIBUTIONS coming from, among others, Stanley Druckenmiller, a Wall Street billionaire. His colleague in this venture is Geoffrey Canada.

Are the children engaged and are they really being challenged in charter schools?

You seem to have no idea what you're asking and it seems you lack all understanding of education.

We need to know why it's successful and also ask why isn't this success being being used throughout the rest of public schools.

Successful schools can throw out problem students, which gives the willing students a good learning environment.

I have this feeling that charter school is a vehicle to end public education to a private system where everyone will have to pay for school.

Now you are showing your towering ignorance about the law regarding public education.

What we have to understand the intentions and motives of others.

Whose intentions? Whose motives? The members of the Teachers Union? Parents? The Department of Education? Students?

In New York City, big businesses are fueling the charter school business.

You're nuts. What Big Businesses are "fueling the charter school business"?

I find it suspect that these charter schools are quoting 100% success rates. I am not saying that the charter schools are not more successful than other public schools, but it may not be at the number its quoting.

You're claiming the charter schools are dishonest. It seems you prefer the historical dishonesty of the public school system that eternally promises better results if enough money is spent. But every year more money is spent and results at public schools NEVER improve.

It reads too much like informercial to me because they are essentially guaranteeing all kids that attend these charter will get into college.

No one has ever made that claim. But it would be true, nonetheless. ANYONE who GRADUATES from high school will get accepted by at least one college somewhere.

There is a question about the percentage of students attended charter will graduate from college and we do not know that information.

Graduating from high school never guarantees graduating from college.

uptownsteve said...

"And because that is your reality, it's everyone's. Nothing to do with hate old man. Your limited train of logic is means that whatever my experience, or anyone's for that matter is, is just as valid and "real" as widespread reality. Which is your weakness. Just because it is your story does not make it univeresal or even widespread."

Just as your assertions that most blacks are dysfunctional cretins living in the ghetto is not reality, I merely present another reality of black American existence which folks like you seem averse to hearing.

"Now shouldn't you be working or something?"

What exactly are you doing at the moment?

Grassroots community work?

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!

APOI said...

"alicia banks said...

toxic parents and horrid schools are both global ills

12:08 PM"


Why am I not surprised you forgot to mention SUBSTANDARD TEACHERS? While I was attending public schools, I had certain teachers who would misspell words on the tests on the very tests they presented me. And then, have the gall to grade me, all the while bragging about their "Master's Degree" from some substandard college!

Thank goodness, that after I had shown my mother just how stupid these boobs were, she moved me into a private school for my high school years.

Dumbass teachers = dumbass kids.

Anonymous said...

oh gay stevie, i am glad you think you are funny, but no, you are not. just old and senile.

alicia banks said...

ns:

amen!!!

_____

assnon:

teachers can read and write.

that alone trumps the horrid fellow dummies you revere and excuse.

mellaneous said...

Sup brother Field! I hesitated to respond because of all the initial self flagellation. I think Trapped and some others have valid points, but we do look like whiners or helpless onlookers if we don't begin to at least initiate conversations about what can be done about "the obvious."

AB was right when she said,
"the very same politicos ignore how many students cannot learn because they are malnourished/ill/need glasses/can't hear etc..." and

"via teasing, hygiene, mental issues, sexual abuse, angry acting out etc ALL of these classroom issues are directly related to how politicos abuse and ignore poor parents!!!

And Steve was on to something when he suggested that we could not expect a lot from about three generations of folks who have been undersocialized and undereducated, many who see no use for education.

So we can't bemoan missed opportunities no more than a team can spend time bemoaning a missed touchdown pass. We have to go back to the huddle and figure out another way to advance the ball.

And Field the acadamies and Geofrey Canada still can pick and choose, the public schools cannot they have take all comers, just as they are so to speak.

So we can chew on this old rag as long as we want but until there is a national will to educate ALL children we will continue to have this semi lottery that education has become.

However in the meantime we can try stop gap measures like what Geoffrey Canada has done and like Chicago Prep, but we must also roll up our sleeves in our community and do what we can to help the children who are left out of even those opportunities.

That means opening up churches to use for tutoring of kids. It means stepping up and helping the parent or parents that we see and know are struggling. It means using our churches and service organizations to solicit volunteers to work with the schools to help in classrooms to either tutor or find ways to distract the unruly.

Everytime I read the history of black folks in crisis I am struck by how our ancestors figured out ways to make things happen for themselves.

You know there were no schools for free blacks up north until black folks came together and organized and formed schools.

In that past our people found a way. Since few people are interested in the "real" solution, which is a radical restructuring of society, (so that all human beings and all children count) then the next alternative is to roll up ones sleeves and start applying community bandaids and make the best of an obviously broken system.

alicia banks said...

mell:

thanks!

i am convinced that is why amoral greedy racist elitist politicos will NEVER tackle the REAL issue of parents...

politicos are COMPLICIT in the
poisons that make poor parenting toxic

ie
toxicity that is exacerbated and sabotaged by the poverty politicos deliberately create to pay banksters and fund wars etc

ie
when public schools fail by design

hobama and his ed corp profteers prosper

shame!!!

When it comes to the public schools, the Obama administration is allied with the most rapacious sectors of Wall Street and far-right foundations. That political reality is most evident in the administration's campaign to establish a parallel national network of charter schools, with a heavy emphasis on inner cities. Obama and his education chief, Arne Duncan, have spent their first year and a half in office coercing states to expand charters or lose out on more than $4 billion in federal education moneys. Obama's allies on Wall Street invest heavily in charter schools, tapping into the public money stream to build their own vision of corporate education.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/obama-and-charter-school-sugar-daddies

no_slappz said...

mellaneous, you wrote:

Since few people are interested in the "real" solution, which is a radical restructuring of society...

Chilling words. Absolutely frightening words. But words dear to the sick hearts and sick minds of muslims everywhere.

(so that all human beings and all children count)

Really? So the academic failure of black kids is a failure of the US government. If that were true, there would be a black nation somewhere on the planet where almost all young blacks were competent students. But that black nation does not exist.

...then the next alternative is to roll up ones sleeves and start applying community bandaids and make the best of an obviously broken system.

The existing public education system works well for a lot of students. In NY City for example, where there is a competitive segment open to all kids who willingly put in some work.

However, the competitive segment of the NY City public school system is entered by way of scores on competitive exams. The dominant players are asians, followed by whites.

Though blacks and hispanics account for 70% of students in the system, few qualify for the competitive schools.

The blame falls on the idiots who brought them into the world.

Anonymous said...

But that black nation does not exist.


And the church says amen!!!

uptownsteve said...

"Really? So the academic failure of black kids is a failure of the US government. If that were true, there would be a black nation somewhere on the planet where almost all young blacks were competent students. But that black nation does not exist."

Once again you're wrong.

Black high school students in Barbados, an island nation that experienced slavery, average 1300 on their SATs.

http://www.caribbeanlifenews.com/articles/2009/12/08/news/caribbean/doc4b18327aa84f1350969299.txt

alicia banks said...

ns:

do not forget the millions of white clones who are toxic parents and horrid students

some of the most violent breeders of budding serial killers i have met have been nordic!

this is not a racial issue

it is a global moral ethical issue

good parents and kids are too rare

we are all drowning in the fallout of the WORST among us

alicia banks said...

uts:

stats in barbados do not help stats in the usa

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/08/26/sat

uptownsteve said...

AB

That wasn't the point and you know it.

Your new buddy no slappz claimed there wasn't a black nation on earth with competent black students.

Once again I prove him wrong.

alicia banks said...

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188


Toxic parenting is universal in America. It knows no boundaries of race or class. Reality television proves that rich white parents are often even more toxic than poor black ones. Toxic parenting entails: Parents who begin abusing children chemically in their wombs, with recreational drugs and toxic diets; Parents who poison wombs that leave permanent damage inside children’s brains and nervous systems; Parents who do nothing to give lonely fatherless boys mandatory male role models; Parents who routinely physically and verbally assault teachers, but never spank or reprimand their children; Parents who buy children breasts and noses, rather than teach them to become surgeons; Parents who buy students expensive designer clothes, but never show them how to obtain free library cards; Parents who abuse drugs and dress like whores and thugs, as they actively encourage their children to become consummate mini clones; Parents who never attend a teacher conference, but never miss a field trip or party; Parents who are always on time at hair salons or nightclubs, but never bring children to school on time; Parents who harass or ignore teachers as they coddle or neglect children; Parents who brazenly place schools'/teachers' phone numbers on "call block", so that they are not bothered when their children bother others during school hours; Parents who hijack schools as babysitters, even on days when classes are not in session; Parents who brazenly enroll their children in first grade classes, fully aware that these children have never attended Pre-Kindergarten/Kindergarten; Parents who never read any books, and never read to their children; Parents who never teach children any moral intelligence, because they are amoral themselves; Parents who never teach children to sit still, behave, listen, and concentrate; Parents who hate children and dare to demand that teachers and other surrogates fully parent their own children; Parents who never teach children to do their homework; Parents who are intellectually incapable of helping children, or seeking tools/tutors to help children, with their homework; Parents who have no concept of proper child nutrition or sleep patterns; Parents who neither do or assign any chores; Parents who are irresponsible and incapable of teaching children to be responsible

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-School-Behavioral-Challenges-Falling/dp/1416572260

http://www.amazon.com/Explosive-Child-Understanding-Frustrated-Chronically/dp/0061906190/ref=pd_sim_b_1

alicia banks said...

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188


Toxic parenting is universal in America. It knows no boundaries of race or class. Reality television proves that rich white parents are often even more toxic than poor black ones. Toxic parenting entails: Parents who begin abusing children chemically in their wombs, with recreational drugs and toxic diets; Parents who poison wombs that leave permanent damage inside children’s brains and nervous systems; Parents who do nothing to give lonely fatherless boys mandatory male role models; Parents who routinely physically and verbally assault teachers, but never spank or reprimand their children; Parents who buy children breasts and noses, rather than teach them to become surgeons; Parents who buy students expensive designer clothes, but never show them how to obtain free library cards; Parents who abuse drugs and dress like whores and thugs, as they actively encourage their children to become consummate mini clones; Parents who never attend a teacher conference, but never miss a field trip or party; Parents who are always on time at hair salons or nightclubs, but never bring children to school on time; Parents who harass or ignore teachers as they coddle or neglect children; Parents who brazenly place schools'/teachers' phone numbers on "call block", so that they are not bothered when their children bother others during school hours; Parents who hijack schools as babysitters, even on days when classes are not in session; Parents who brazenly enroll their children in first grade classes, fully aware that these children have never attended Pre-Kindergarten/Kindergarten; Parents who never read any books, and never read to their children; Parents who never teach children any moral intelligence, because they are amoral themselves; Parents who never teach children to sit still, behave, listen, and concentrate; Parents who hate children and dare to demand that teachers and other surrogates fully parent their own children; Parents who never teach children to do their homework; Parents who are intellectually incapable of helping children, or seeking tools/tutors to help children, with their homework; Parents who have no concept of proper child nutrition or sleep patterns; Parents who neither do or assign any chores; Parents who are irresponsible and incapable of teaching children to be responsible

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-School-Behavioral-Challenges-Falling/dp/1416572260

http://www.amazon.com/Explosive-Child-Understanding-Frustrated-Chronically/dp/0061906190/ref=pd_sim_b_1

alicia banks said...

uts:

this i know:

you have a major problem debating on topic

you have a penchant for unrelated stats

SickNTired said...

It isn't hard to get your son (or daughter) to graduate high school IF you actually RAISE your child.

1. School is THEIR job. They should be sent prepared w/ the proper supplies and attitude. They also have to be on time.

2. The parent must monitor their child's progress. For example, by the end of the first grade your child should be ablr to read The Cat in the Hat. Go to parent-teacher conferences. Do not assume your child is telling the whole story. Check their homework.

3. Be involved at your child's school. Go on a field trip. Drop in if you can. Let your child know that you value their education.

4. Have some rules at your house. Set a bedtime. No TV on school nights. No back talking adults. As your children grow up- let them know that you expect them to graduate high school, stay out jail and remain childless until they are married. My folks did this and me and my brothers fulfilled those minimum requirements plus some.

To quote Bill Cosby "c'mon people!" Sheesh...it ain't that difficult.

Rottnkid said...

Uh oh. Here it comes...

uptownsteve said...

Another thing slappy doesn't tell you about the NYC Public Schools is that most of the whites and asians in the systems are at the academiclly elite schools like Stuyvesant, Brooklyn Tech and Bronx Science which function as quasi prep schools.

You won't see many whites and Asians at Taft, Boys and Girls, Tilden or Kennedy which are some of the 'hood schools and virtually holding pens.

And a great deal of the academically competitive minority children in NYC are attending parochial schools as I and my siblings did from kindegarten to eighth grade.

uptownsteve said...

"To quote Bill Cosby "c'mon people!" Sheesh...it ain't that difficult."

Funny Bill couldn't keep his daughter off the crackpipe.

alicia banks said...

uts:

ditto

racial segregation has worsened due to nclb and white/asian flight to charter schools/home schools...

most public schools are/will be rigidly filled ONLY with poor blacks and latinos

and that is why nclb was created!

it is working like a charm and hobama/gwb 2.0 will make it harsher as nclb 2.0!
____


Excerpts from The Shame of the Nation: The Restoration of Apartheid Schooling in America by Jonathan Kozol:

Pediatricians and psychiatrists may be disturbed to hear of schools where recess is truncated or abolished by the desperation to carve out a bit more time for drilling children for exams.

I thought the tests-and-standards movement had been loaded with a coarse utilitarian toxicity and a demeaning anti-human view of childhood right from the start.

By giving every particle of learning an official name, we strip it of its uniqueness.

Fascination and delight, no matter what lip-service we may pay to them, become irrelevant distractions.

Teachers who come into elementary education with some literary background tell me that they sometimes feel they are engaging in a complicated kind of treachery, when they are forced repeatedly to excavate a piece of poetry, or any other literary work of charm or value, to extract examples of official skills that have some testable utility. Nothing could be less efficient than this misappropriation of a teacher’s energy and hours.

The difference in too many schools like P. S. 65 is that nearly the entire school day comes to be a matter of unnatural theatrics that cannot be improvised to any degree without the risk of teachers being criticized by their superiors.

Leaving these kids so utterly adrift in time and place seemed like an act of state-determined cognitive decapitation.

In a nation in which fairness was respected, children of the poorest and least educated mothers would receive the most expensive and most costly pre-school preparation, not the least and cheapest, because children in these families need it so much more than those whose educated parents can deliver the same benefits of early learning to them in their home.

The inequities in educational provisions that we give, or do not give, these children from the starting gate are given less attention.

The look of tortured dignity in the eyes of many [educators] who had welcomed me remained as one of the most stirring memories of that experience.

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1c13a70860f.html

alicia banks said...

uts:

you are on a typical tangent again

cosby's daughter became involved in drugs as millions do

she was also a TOP student at spelman when it happened no?

and MOST of her peers could NEVER even earn an admission to spelman

this is not about individual addiction

it is about societal affliction!

as usual, you ignore the pervasive to take digs at the personal....shame!!!

alicia banks said...

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/atlanta-ga/spelman-college-1594

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2010/08/18/spelman-named-top-hbcu-in-2011-u-s-news-college-rankings/

mellaneous said...

NO Slapz commented on what I said earlier,"Since few people are interested in the "real" solution, which is a radical restructuring of society...
Slapz said

"Chilling words. Absolutely frightening words. But words dear to the sick hearts and sick minds of muslims everywhere

Sometimes Slapz you are absolutely absurd. The words restructuring of society were the words used by MLK to talk about the need for this society to stop focusing on the needs of the rich and focusing on the needs of all the citizens of the society.

And that is what I mean. Needless to say you probably offended all Muslims with your sweeping statement which is not even close to true. In fact there are millions of Muslims living among us in the US who do not wish you or the US harm.

What a blanket racist and ignorant thing to say.

Hathor said...

mellanous,
The HNIC's that Field spoke of, keeps many of the grassroots efforts at bay. that also include the rules of helping out in a classroom.

I had thought of possibly getting into a teaching program after I retired. The school system were looking for people who had degrees or much of their course work in science and math. I backed out, because I was required to also get a Masters in Education, while teaching, in order to meet the professional requirements. So were those students being taught going to be less better off than those whom I would teach with a Masters in Ed? Since I was going to be retired I didn't want to go back to school, it would be too taxing, but I think I could have made some contribution and perhaps helped students become more adept in Math.

For after school programs to work, you have to get the children to them, which requires quite of bit of parental involvement. I found from working in the Scout program, that many parents are so stressed, that many programs are seen as a way to relieve the parents of responsibility temporarily.

mellaneous said...

No slapz said:

"So the academic failure of black kids is a failure of the US government. If that were true, there would be a black nation somewhere on the planet where almost all young blacks were competent students. But that black nation does not exist."

NO Slapz your ignorance is showing!
Many black nations and civilizations educated their populations even while Europeans were still dwelling in cages.

At present most black nations are struggling as third world countries and are struggling to just try to feed their populations and of course many are suffering from the corruption and greed that is actually encouraged by the Imperialist nations.

Black folks achieve as much as anyone else when allowed to and given equal opportunity. White folks in situations in which they are prevented from having the necessities of life struggle as well.

So cut out the false racist constructs.Don't kid yourself you can repeat racist suppositions all you want but it won't make it true. And there will come a time when folks like you who sole purpose is to divide and denigrate won't have a place in polite society.

alicia banks said...
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alicia banks said...

uts:

ps:

as you dare to tangentially bash erinn cosby, beware of your legendary sexism herein

ie

do not be typically silent and thus lend consent about serial rapist mike tyson's role in her drug addiction

his raping her played a pivotal role in her spiral....fyi

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-4109469.html

alicia banks said...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,975566,00.html

hennasplace said...

no_slappz:

The reason for writing my comments is to ask the questions. And if you read what I wrote earlier I mentioned that vouchers isn't a new idea. Just because I have a feeling doesn't necessary mean that I am right. However, I think we need to ask questions about charters and what are they doing to become successful if we want to use as a model for the rest of eduation. I am for asking how things work because as it part of the learning process. I do not know anyone who doesn't ask questions when wanting to learn. It's also a part of the critical thinking process. No, you had to come out with name calling rather engaging in a conversation, no wonder the educational system is in trouble. It's okay that I am igorant about a topic because I certainly do not proclaim to know everything. Actually Diane Ravitch who is historian of education probably knows more about this topic than anyone making comments and reading her book Left Book: A Century of Failed School Reforms has giving some ideas and thoughts about why school reform isn't successful.

Now you mentioned that some billionaires have contributed to the Harlem Children Zone, the funding is still coming from business branch and one person does have to ask why he is investing in the organization. You have to remember that education is driving by need to produce workers. So it's not a nitwit thing to ask what are these billionaire businessmen who donated are getting in return because it is not 100% altruistric.

I have somewhat of an understand about the education considering that I do recall attending public school for at least one day. I am inquisitive, I like to ask questions oh I don't know so that I can learn. I am a skeptic because the question still remains by only a few students are going to learn and will happen to the remaining students who do not have the advantage of a charter school education. We are still at square one with really reforming the public education system, and I do agree with Ravitch that it will not happen in our lifetime.

mellaneous said...

Hathor that is deep! Its one of the ways the beauracracy gets in the way of those who really do care and want to participate and help our children.

Check this out:

When I was in Miami there was a struggling elementary school that was assigned to a former assistant principal who lived in the neighborhood and really cared about the students.

This guy actually got real live parents in the hood to get involved in the school. They actually came to the PTA meetings. They actually participated with children in after school events. Kids actually looked forward to going to school, they would actually talk to the principal when they saw him and even hug him.

Well the school had been a so-called failing inner city school and the principal according to the HNIC (who was later run out of town on a rail incidentally by the same Cuban folks who he tried to kiss up to) the principal had not pulled up the scores fast enough. So this dedicated man who actually got the neighborhood to volunteer and participate in helping raise money for school activities and even got folks to come in and tutor kids who were behind, was reassigned.

And those same semi-employed,barely literate, underemployed and welfare mothers and former welfare mothers, former drug dealing dads, former gang banging dads and other assortment of working folks (some fresh off the streets some fresh out of treatment) organized themselves (with my help and a few others) and wrote an eloquent letter and organized themselves to meet with the superintendent.

When the sperintendent failed to hear them they took their complaints to the school board and made placards and picketed the meeting. And they kept it up until it was clear that they were not going to be heard.

I tried to point out to the superintendent the obvious, which is that this man actually got parental and community involvement, which incidentally had been one of his planks upon taking the supt job. And that the scores had indeed improved and that he got the whole school to begin taking reading very seriously. It was absolutely amazing the turnabout that occured at that school because one man cared that much.

But the supt missed a golden opportunity.In fact the school board sent out thier lackeys with fancy charts and graphs and tried to make these parents feel stupid by suggesting in some not so subtle ways that they really did not know how to help their children.

And what did that teach these struggling parents about involvement? Did it encourage them to get more involved?

Anonymous said...

And a great deal of the academically competitive minority children in NYC are attending parochial schools as I and my siblings did from kindegarten to eighth grade

again gay stevie, poor weak assed argument. no one really cares what you did, your boys do etc. we care about the collective whole. your self masturbatory (to quote CF God rest his soul) way of thinking is ignorant.

Anonymous said...

you have a major problem debating on topic

and the church says amen

uptownsteve said...

As I said Field, it was nice while it lasted.

alicia banks said...

uts:

and as i said uts

you cowardly evaded elaboration...as always

Anonymous said...

uts baby milk drinker, how about you move away from your daddy fn and move on to real milk instead of trying to suckle from his teat. you are a pathetic old man. probably on the DL as the other posted call you gay stevie, it does have a nice ring to it.

alicia banks said...

uts:

you also failed to mention that errin is now fully recovered, happily married, and an entrepreneur...

such unfair omission is yet another of your habitual sexist antics herein...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n20_v94/ai_21250343/

Anonymous said...

I really don't care if UTS is a homo, I just don't care for his lousy pots. He's old though, so I guess we gotta forgive him...and granny.

UNIT 546 Special Service Anons

alicia banks said...

unlike her rapist mike tyson...

who is faring horridly to date

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41189.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/14/mike-tyson-details-interv_n_646571.html

Watcher said...

Field, how long are you going to allow Alicia Banks and her various anon alteregos to mess up your blog?

Uptown is right.

Anonymous said...

Watcher,

As part of anon inc, you are out of line. fn is the author of this blog and allows for freedom of speech. please bow down to him as the master he is. your ignorance will not be tolerated. thankfully, we did not teach you the anon secret handshake, we knew you were weak.

you are now a sheep without a fold.

sad day for you watcher.

alicia banks said...

uts:

fn knows that i NEVER post as assnon as you are doing now, and as you do routinely when i slay you!!!

Anonymous said...

Pussy....LOL.

I need to get back here more often. UTS always gets his ass served to him on a platter, whether by AB or others.

no_slappz said...

uptownsteve,

Barbados? Please. A tiny island home to less people than live in my neighborhood of Flatbush is statistically insignificant.

Moreover, the island's prosperity is mainly a function of the fact that it employs a number of people in the oil refining business, a business run from other parts of the world.

What does that mean? It means it is not the native intelligence of the locals that has led to better than average SAT scores. It means it is the people -- not blacks -- in Barbados to run the oil business who have the kids getting the high SAT scores.

Furthermore, the only reason oil refining occurs in places like Barbados is the prohibitions in other countries. Like the US, where new refineries are not built.

The US only permits remodelling and retrofitting old refineries. No new ones.

On the other hand, Nigeria is home to 100 million people AND it has oil out its wazoo. Thus, its wealth is measured in billions and billions. But the wealth is either in the ground or ripped off by the eternally corrupt black leaders of the country.

Anonymous said...

oh uts, does it hurt to get that ass smacked hard? i just wish some of it would resonate in your old man brain.

Anonymous said...

it is obvious that a buceta has made anon comments to denigrate uts cuz disagreement should not equal humiliation but we really should not expect much from that piece of trash who believes that crack babies are not worthy of receiving education, what a phukking loser!

*parola chrick*

no_slappz said...

hennasplace, you wrote:

And if you read what I wrote earlier I mentioned that vouchers isn't a new idea.

Once again you show your complete ignorance schools and school funding.

Charter schools are public schools run under different rules than regular union-run schools.

Vouchers have NO connection to Charter Schools.

Vouchers are checks a parent can spend at the school of his choice. A parent could use a voucher to pay his child's tuition at a private school.

But there's no tuition charged at Charter schools because they are public schools.

Now you mentioned that some billionaires have contributed to the Harlem Children Zone, the funding is still coming from business branch and one person does have to ask why he is investing in the organization.

Wrong again. The money from Wall Street billionaires is coming out of their own pockets -- Charitable Contributions to make a better world.

You have to remember that education is driving by need to produce workers. So it's not a nitwit thing to ask what are these billionaire businessmen who donated are getting in return because it is not 100% altruistric.

When it comes to Wall Street billionaires GIVING money to schools in Harlem, their motivation IS 100% altruistic.

And, sadly, most of their donated money is wasted. Thus, only nitwits can believe that GIVING millions to children from dysfunctional neighborhoods can yield a financially profitable return.

uptownsteve said...

no slappz

"It means it is the people -- not blacks -- in Barbados to run the oil business who have the kids getting the high SAT scores."

Oh geez, you're pathetic.

Less than 9% of the Barbados population is non-black yet the AVERAGE SAT score is 1300.

BTW, you never answered my questions.

What do you do for a living?

What was your SAT score?

Aren't you Jewish?

alicia banks said...

mostly rabid is a blatant liar and a vulgar fool...

yet she deserves a PERPETUAL award for:

THE LEAST INTELLIGENT "CONTRIBUTIONS" TO EVERY SINGLE DISCUSSION HEREIN!!!

kudos!!!

no_slappz said...

hathor,

There is a very simple reason Departments of Education demand masters degrees.

The requirement creates an artificial labor shortage. The Teachers' Union exploits the artificial labor shortage, using it to demand higher wages while pretending the master's degree creates better teachers.

As you said, the requirement drove you out of teaching, thereby doing what it was intended to do while doing nothing to benefit students.

Anonymous said...

The requirement creates an artificial labor shortage.

Are you nuts? There is an overabundance of teachers and continuing ed credits can be obtained in most states in leu of masters.

hennasplace said...

No_slaap

I work for a nonprofit, and companies and private people with deep pockets do not give money just for the sake of giving, there are always strings attached. I didn't write anything about vouchers and charter school having a connection although they are part of the equation of the school choice debate. I know vouchers are attached if parents want to send their children to a private school.

Although, I am thinking from what you are writing that you have some sort of interest in charter schools. You keep writing that they are Wall Street billionaires and that is raising a red flag with considering they were a part of the financial meltdown. I am not writing for or against charters, but I am asking questions.

alicia banks said...

apissyslanteyeddogoi:

stop hating on my big sexy gorgeous eyes...

just because no woman can endure your fugly mug and wasted "sex" without her own eyes tightly shut!!!

field negro said...

"Moreover, the island's prosperity is mainly a function of the fact that it employs a number of people in the oil refining business, a business run from other parts of the world.

What does that mean? It means it is not the native intelligence of the locals that has led to better than average SAT scores. It means it is the people -- not blacks -- in Barbados to run the oil business who have the kids getting the high SAT scores. "

Yep, pretty ignorant and pathetic.
Question: Have you ever been to Barbadoes?

A Person of Interest said...

I missed you too, AB.

Anonymous said...

naw buceta breath ur words speak for themselves:

"i promise you that NOTHING can engage children who are buck wild/adhd/crack babies/never sleep/never have a decent meal/hate books/have 0 interest in learning/come to school to eat/fight/date etc...

absolutely nothing.

Students who never behave will never learn. Students who are never taught to revere education at home will never excel in schools"


just more insight into ur lack of character any real teacher would KNOW that these deficiencies can be overcome with a lot of support ur statement condemns these types of children as unteachable which is the biggest sack of house negro shyt eyeve ever heard eyem very surprised that mellanous didnt get on ur elitist ass for this fallacious statement chrick

ure r a liar, an elitist and a loser u hate people woman up and just admit it cuz if u cared about others especially our black children u wouldnt say that type of bullcrap

*parloa chrick*

ur amnesia when called on ur bullcrap is a feature of u and all ur aliases

*LOSER*

Anonymous said...

where is race traitor when u need her since she is in the teaching game eyem certain shed easily correct ur triflin ass on this issue it angers me that u actually *cough* supposedly work with children they must phukkin HATE u

*parola chrick*

alicia banks said...

my students and their parents adore me.

that is why i won national awards!

and i quit my job to avoid genetically inferior human trash like you and your spawn.

now i choose the students i teach/
and the superior parents who help me do so.

i am truly blessed as
that would be nirvana for most teachers of all races.

just ask them!!!

alicia banks said...

mostly rabid:

that is also why i had a waiting list EVERY year i taught etc...

never fret
i would have AXED your retarded heathens from EACH list at a glance!!!

alicia banks said...

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/profile

my adult students revere me also!

i am not an elitist

i am a realist

so i would simply never waste my time on anyone of any age with an IQ as low as mostly rabid's...

alicia banks said...

somehow amazingly, mostly rabid's glaringly low IQ actually lowers with each post!

stand by!

she takes arrogant ignorance to cosmic levels herein that are TRULY deserving of an award for doing so daily!!!

Anonymous said...

buceta breath moron, 4 posts later u still aint said shit ur elitist attitudes and out of touch nature just shows that if you really are a teacher *cough which I highly doubt* u r a VERY bad one!

Anonymous said...

fn,
have you been to urban prep or the other charter schools you mentioned?

Anonymous said...

Trapped in SC in his first post stole much of my thunder. A major part of this problem is cultural. It's not just kids from crack mamas who don't graduate. Fifty years ago, black people could learn their butts off in a one room segregated shack. Today, if you don't incorporate something about hip hop in the curriculum, they aren't listening.

A lot of black males think being educated is "white," "gay" and just plain unmanly (apologies to white folks and to gays). Speaking standard English is considered punkish.

Go to any corner in a city with a significant black population and you will see more black teens hanging out on street corners than in libraries.

To get a good education, one has be to motivated. You hear the rare story about a homeless child who gets a scholarship to an Ivy League school because they were mostly self-motivated and someone along the way recognized their talent and helped them. But most kids would rather stand on a corner and get high than crack a book.

It does start at home. I don't care how small the class is, how many computers they have, how great the school facility is, a kid who has no motivation to learn, either self motivation or motivation from parents, is not going to learn.

I believe there is racism in educaiton and I know there is a disparity in education resources. But kids in poor schools all over the country manage to get an education and some even excel. It has to come with the child and his/her family.

And let me say one more time, for all the whining about white flight, black flight did much more damage. When the black middle class was free to live anywhere they wanted to, they left the traditionally black neighborhoods and left behind a segment of the black population with no daily role models for what it means to excel in anything. Not to guilt trip anyone because folks should live where they want to, but integration has ultimately been our undoing.

Anonymous said...

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmcensus1.html#axzz0x036JJPl

According to this, 25% of black folks are living in poverty. So how is it another 22% are not graduating from high school?

We are always poor mouthing. If we don't start dealing with the cultural contributions to our decline as a people, we are not going to survive.

I read a Rand study some years ago that said 70% of children born to single mothers grew up in poverty. it must be higher for black people. Instead of spending so many resuorces on midnight basketball for boys, how about focusing how how we can prevent teen girls from getting pregnant?

When undereducated boys no longer appeal to girls, I guarantee you that boys will want to stick their nose in a book.

Anonymous said...

"how about focusing how how we can prevent teen girls from getting pregnant?"

How about focusing on how to make the boys and older men keep their dicks to themselves and away from the young school girls.

"When undereducated boys no longer appeal to girls, I guarantee you that boys will want to stick their nose in a book."

There will be more rapes and terrorizing since there won't be anymore volunteers for them to sex up and impregnate.

Anonymous said...

Fp, "Ok...would that fall under "bitter"? Because you know that is the script for anyone calling it. LOL! It is ok, let me help you, because I am a giver... "bitter, fat, man hating, lesbian, and can't get a man". See, I know the routine."

Let me help you out....It's not routine, it's a fact. You have already exposed who you are by using the same words you did in the past toward anon, LAA and AB.

I am sure UTS knows it is you, FP since he has been down this commentary road with you before...LOL You are still a liar who pretends to be frank and honest. LOL Don't you know you cannot deceive honest people? You are only deceiving yourself...ROFL.

Anonymous said...

anon 734 IS UTS.

Rottnkid said...

Anon 6:27..Completely co sign with you. Good post. This is the line I liked the most: 'A lot of black males think being educated is "white," "gay" and just plain unmanly (apologies to white folks and to gays). Speaking standard English is considered punkish.'
I always prided myself in speaking "proper english" My reasoning was if you sound like you haven't past the 3rd grade who is going to listen to you? Also as a kid if I asked my Dad, (Surprise! I had a 2 parent home), how to spell a word or what the definition was his response was always,"look it up in the dictionary" - I tell my 9 yo the same thing. I grew up on rap/hip hop and the one thing I notice now when I listen to "old school" is the words that were used - rappers were always trying to "one up" other rappers with words that were more than 4 letters, that also taught me. And if I would want to know what that word meant in a rap sentence, no Google, A dictionary...Once again just ranting..Sorry ya'll been tired all day from playing poker all night last night. But once again, I dug your post.

Watcher said...

Alicia Banks

"my students and their parents adore me.

that is why i won national awards!"

Hell, the posters here at FN must be your students! When do you have time to teach a class? You're here 24/7.

And what was your award?

Carpetmunchin Wacko of the Year?

field negro said...

fn,
have you been to urban prep or the other charter schools you mentioned?"

No, but I have been to Barbadoes. And I have been to Charter school similar to the ones I mentioned. Your point?

uptownsteve said...

another ass-non

"Fifty years ago, black people could learn their butts off in a one room segregated shack. Today, if you don't incorporate something about hip hop in the curriculum, they aren't listening."

50 years ago one half of the black population in the US was illiterate.

What the f are you talking about?

Some of idiots act like you want a return the pre-Civil Rights era.

Watcher

tee hee

Anonymous said...

well fn, by your line of reasoning, one must have "been there" to know what's going on. just following the line of reasoning you presented here.

thank you

Anonymous said...

what a loser blog you got going on here man.

Anonymous said...

RottenKid@8:10p, I agree. I wish we had more bm in our community who valued education and english like you do.

UTS will go into denial, but there ARE more bm who are uneducated and speak poor english than not. That is an unfortunate situation.

Anonymous said...

AB, "somehow amazingly, mostly rabid's glaringly low IQ actually lowers with each post!

stand by!

she takes arrogant ignorance to cosmic levels herein that are TRULY deserving of an award for doing so daily!!!"

ROFL!!! AB, you are a great slayer. Please have mercy on anon.

Anonymous said...

Rottnkid said..."Once again just ranting..Sorry ya'll been tired all day from playing poker all night last night. But once again, I dug your post."


So kid, are you flush or broke?

Anonymous said...

anon, "where is race traitor when u need her since she is in the teaching game eyem certain shed easily correct ur triflin ass on this issue it angers me that u actually *cough* supposedly work with children they must phukkin HATE u"

RT doesn't have time for this shit. She probably is on a date with an anon agent from Anon, Inc at a fancy McDonald's drive-in.

Anonymous said...

anon, "what a loser blog you got going on here man."

what blog is a winner for you?

Rottnkid said...

lol...It was a cash tourney, 80 people - Broke.

uptownsteve said...

"UTS will go into denial, but there ARE more bm who are uneducated and speak poor english than not. That is an unfortunate situation."

Whatever helps you sleep at night loser.

I often wonder about folks like you who obsess with so-called "problems of black men."

You generally fall into two categories.

Bearillas who can't get a bm (or any other kind).........

Or racist punks who either got passed over on the job or lost their girlfriend to a brutha.

Stop hatin' and step up your game.

Anonymous said...

UTS will go into denial

he lives in the state of denial.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous... "RottenKid@8:10p, I agree. I wish we had more bm in our community who valued education and english like you do."


You sure you want his kind a mentor? Be careful what you wish for, that one also prefers to date white girls.

Anonymous said...

UTS, does it hurt being so stupid?? It's hurting us man. It's hurting us.

Anonymous said...

what blog is a winner for you?

one where we don't have to hear from you my friend.

uptownsteve said...

Black men are the most talked about humans on the planet.

It's because the black man was the first man on Earth and all non-black men came from him.

He was the father of civilization.

The strongest, most indomitable, creative and desireable beings on earth.

Those are the major reasons behind why we are hated out of ignorance, jealousy, and fear.


Exactly why so much is done to marginalize and contain us.

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