Sunday, August 22, 2010

The "Fourth Reich"?


It's starting to feel like 1933 here in A-merry-ca. February 28, 1933, to be exact.

But thankfully, folks are still allowed to write opinion pieces like the following:

"The first thing that must be said about the mosque at ground zero is that it is not just a mosque, and it is not at ground zero.

Granted, calling it an Islamic center that contains a prayer space, a spa, a swimming pool, community meeting rooms, a 9/11 memorial, an auditorium, a basketball court, classrooms, and an exhibition space - to be located two blocks away and around a corner from ground zero, at a site Muslims are already using for prayers - doesn't have quite the same kick as calling it the mosque at ground zero. It's just a more accurate description.

Facts matter, and they seem to be in short supply in this ugly fight.

It's also important to note that the controversy over the center, which has now engulfed the president, is only one of several that have flared up across the country over mosque construction or expansion plans. Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Wisconsin, California - all have seen fights over mosque proposals. There are even two other New York mosque projects, in Brooklyn and Staten Island, that have provoked attacks and demonstrations.

There have also been attacks on existing mosques, not just planned ones. A bomb exploded during services at a mosque in Jacksonville, Fla., and there have been reports of arson and vandalism of mosques in Texas and Tennessee. (No one was hurt in the incidents, which are being investigated.)

Murfreesboro, Tenn., is witnessing a particularly ugly construction standoff, with many of the same features as the fight in Lower Manhattan. Mainstream politicians running in tough primary races have attacked the project there, and so have grassroots activists affiliated with local tea party groups........as Park51 after its address on Park Place - were high-profile grassroots activists, including Mark Williams, then-leader of a group called the Tea Party Express. He labeled the center a "monument" for the "worship of the terrorists' monkey-god."

One key opposition group, Stop the Islamization of America, is well-known for the inflammatory rhetoric of its leaders. They include Pamela Geller, who didn't bother providing a shred of evidence when she suggested that funding for the center could be "tied to jihad or terror." (There is no funding at the moment.) Geller has called for a ground zero rally on the anniversary of 9/11, and she has been touting Geert Wilders, a virulently anti-Muslim Dutch politician, as a featured speaker.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, has highlighted Geller associate John Joseph Jay as "truly vicious." According to the center, Jay wrote in his (all-lowercase) blog: "if islam kills non-believers as a matter of religious doctrine, then why should muslims expect to be free of retribution in the name of those islam kills?"

These are the people who defined and framed the debate over the Lower Manhattan Islamic center. Now the controversy has gone viral, attracting opposition to the project from ambitious mainstream politicians, including Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, both of whom are toying with presidential runs, and Rick Lazio, a Republican candidate for governor of New York. Palin has ratcheted up the rhetoric, referring to Park51 as the "9/11 mosque....We should bear in mind that it's election season, and some politicians have clearly calculated that opposing the center - and similar projects around the country - will translate into political and financial support. But why should that be? And why should the construction of a house of worship in America - a country founded partly for the sake of religious refuge - become a full-blown national controversy?

Here we come to the key fallacy driving these fights - the "big lie," to use Hitler's term for a falsehood so preposterous that it goes unchallenged. In this instance, the lie is that Muslims attacked America in the name of Islam.

The U.S. government bears much of the responsibility for propagating this myth in the wake of 9/11. It allowed - indeed, encouraged - the view that a political attack carried out by a tiny group of radical terrorists was, in fact, an attack on America on behalf of all Muslims in the name of Islam. This was the argument disseminated by al-Qaeda itself. Hence, the federal government was in the curious position of promoting al-Qaeda's propaganda.

That al-Qaeda is a gang of disgruntled thugs - many of whom were our disgruntled thugs during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - is deemed irrelevant in this view. They were our "freedom fighters" when Ronald Reagan was president; now they "hate our freedoms," as George W. Bush put it.

Of course, President Bush spoke in mosques, invited imams to the White House, and intoned that "Islam is peace." At the same time, though, his administration was interrogating tens of thousands of Muslims and jailing thousands of them, investigating Muslim students, using Byzantine immigration laws against Muslims and deporting tens of thousands of them, employing the Energy Department to monitor mosque radiation levels, using the Census Bureau to identify Muslim neighborhoods, and sending the FBI out to count American mosques.

This intense investigative focus on Muslims during the last several years, coupled with a constant labeling of terrorist plots as Muslim, created a fertile field for xenophobia.

Now Bryan Fischer, a leader of the fundamentalist American Family Association, has gone so far as to state flatly that Muslim Americans are by definition treasonous. "Permits should not be granted to build even one more mosque in the United States of America, let alone the monstrosity planned for ground zero," Fischer wrote recently on his blog. "This is for one simple reason: each Islamic mosque is dedicated to the overthrow of the American government."

Fischer's solution? Repatriate Muslims to their home countries. This completely ignores the fact that close to a majority of the five million to eight million Muslims in this country were born here, and roughly a third are African American. Facts do matter. " [Story]

No they don't Mr. Salisbury, not if you are a wingnut.

Finally, I just read that James Jackson Kilpatrick is dead. May he go straight to hell. (If there is such a place.) The next time one of you black conservatives try to justify your political stance here in A-merry-ca, just remember that folks like James Jackson Kilpatrick was one of the founders of your movement.


167 comments:

sharon in nh said...

"Pamela Geller, who didn't bother providing a shred of evidence when she suggested that funding for the center could be "tied to jihad or terror.""

This isn't the first time I've read about this rumor. I had no idea that terrorism was a money-making proposition. I assumed that the money was flowing in the other directions, as when American Irish Catholics gave money to IRA bag men.

"Of course, President Bush spoke in mosques, invited imams to the White House, and intoned that "Islam is peace.""

What? You mean to say that George W. Bush consorted with known terrorists?

But seriously, thanks for highlighting this story. I'm afraid the Palin/Beck/Gingrich/Limpburger cabal is louder and appeals to people's fears, and fear is a great motivator. And the noise is only going to get louder and more inflammatory as we approach Eid al-Fitr which, unfortunately, falls on or near 9/11 this year. The Religious Reich is bound to interpret the celebrations as proof that they are right about "all Muslims," and no amount of facts are going to change their minds.

Frank Drackman said...

Field, Field, Field, Field,

You know damn well if someone opened a "Jimmy Earl Ray's Real Memphis Pit BBQ & Rifle Range" 500 feet from the Lorraine Hotel, you'd be so pissed your Fro' would straighten out.
and Speakin of Fro's why do Black Women hate there Hair so Much? I LIKE me a nice Angela Davis/style Fro'.
And your slippin, AMC had that 3 Stooges Episode where Larry, Moe and Curly are plumbers, and hook the water pipes up to the stove. You know, the one where the bugeyed Colored Cook says.
"Diz Sho be Sum Crazee House!!!"
it was on early, befo y'all wake up...

Frank

Anonymous said...

Field, You post Frank D's posts, and that rude purple ass negro from wooden shoed Dutchland-why won't you post mine? I have posted twice in the previous thread and nothing has shown up.

no_slappz said...

field, you wrote:

It's starting to feel like 1933 here in A-merry-ca. February 28, 1933, to be exact.

In other words, you're agreeing with the nazis that people who oppose the construction of the mosque and people who express their distrust of muslims by listing the stunningly long list of atrocities committed by muslims since, let's say, the assassination of Robert Kennedy, should lose their right to alert the country to a danger growing within.

P.S. About 1% of the US population is believed to be muslim. That's about 3 million people. But maybe we have an illegal muslim problem too.

Acutally, before 9/11 there was a big illegal muslim population right over here by me in Brooklyn. But after 9/11 thousands and thousands got out of town in a hurry.

RiPPa said...

Did you know that there's a mosque in the Pentagon?

Well said...

Thom Firedman's piece today in the Times:

"This is also why the issue of the mosque and community center near the site of 9/11 is a sideshow. The truly important question “is not can the different Muslim sects live with Americans in harmony, but can they live with each other in harmony,” said Stephen P. Cohen, an expert on interfaith relations and author of “Beyond America’s Grasp: a Century of Failed Diplomacy in the Middle East.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/22/opinion/22friedman.html?hp

field negro said...

Anon 8:04PM...Did I just read your post at 8:04 PM? Yes, I think I did. So maybe just maybe it got posted. The posts on the other thread are over 24 hours old so they are moderated, but I am quite sure that your comments over there have been posted by now as well.

My my, folks are certainly sensitive about censorship, and yet they would try to stop a Muslim community center from being built where a department store used to be.

Sup Rippa? Someone mentioned that before. (I think it was hennasplace)Sharon, you are welcome.

Anonymous said...

ns, there are probably three times as many Muslims in the USA than you have indicated. The sudden expansion of mosques to be built across our sacred country are good indicators that there are a lot more muslims than we want to admit.

Anonymous said...

Field, "My my, folks are certainly sensitive about censorship, and yet they would try to stop a Muslim community center from being built where a department store used to be."

I knew you were going to say that. Just couldn't resist making your dig, could you?

Anyway, thanks for letting me know about the other thread. For being so responsive I might just volunteer to defend your ass when the GOP locks your ass up for being unpatriotic. You had better leave this mosque stuff alone...You don't hear Rev Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, or Farrakhan mouthing off about this stuff do you? Better take a clue.

RiPPa said...

NER RUMOR: Mexican Arabs will sneak into the country at Ground Zero, and enter into same-sex marriages, so as to drop off anchor baby jihadists if the mosque is built.

no_slappz said...

field, you wrote:

Granted, calling it an Islamic center that contains a prayer space, a spa, a swimming pool, community meeting rooms, a 9/11 memorial, an auditorium, a basketball court, classrooms, and an exhibition space - to be located two blocks away and around a corner from ground zero, at a site Muslims are already using for prayers - doesn't have quite the same kick as calling it the mosque at ground zero.

News flash. Muslims frequently make statements about their grand building plans. But generally, reality falls short.

At this point, the dirtbag imam rauf had denied that he's gotten any funding and he has denied that he's gotten any pledges of funding. Of course that's because he knows where the money's coming from, and Pam Geller is right. It will come from sources that also fund terrorists, which means the mosque will have ties -- direct ties -- to muslim terrorism.

That aside, the dirtbag imam has said the site will have all the features you mentioned. He also said the site would cost $100 million.

That's got to be some kind of spending record. Blowing $100 million to recondition an existing building so that it's like a standard NY City YMCA.

Is anyone aware of a recreation center built for $100 million that let's people in for free?

Are muslim women going to swim in the same pool as men? If so, I'd say this place will set a record for the number of honor killings.

But that's jumping ahead. You can count on the standard high level of muslim incompetence to force the dirtbag imam rauf to scale back the project. First, he'll have to scrap the pool. Too expensive. Then the gym. Finally, the project will have only enough money for the prayer hall -- the mosque -- and it will become a recruiting center for terrorists.

You seem to think this project has guaranteed funding and approved plans. It has neither. It has only the early stages of muslim bluster.

Meanwhile, you seem to think that because this dirtbag imam is running it now, he will remain the head of it for all time. That's not how these things work.

Unfortunately I did not know about today's demonstrations at the mosque. If i had known I would have gone. However, I do plan to be there on 9/11.

You wrote:

There are even two other New York mosque projects, in Brooklyn and Staten Island, that have provoked attacks and demonstrations.

Provoked ATTACKS and DEMONSTRATIONS? More of your nonsense.

Demonstrations? Yes.

ATTACKS? Only verbal.

But you were hoping for physical.

Anonymous said...

Field, don't you think it's odd that suddenly there are mosques wanting to be built all over America? Could it be that Bin Laden has sent orders to build mosques all over America for muslim hidaways?

To try to build a mosque near ground zero has opened a can of worms for muslims in America.

Poor Jody, she went to NYC for nothing. the poor girl has her priorities misplaced. she should be out in CA campaigning for Prop8, where it might benefit her. Naw, there won't be any ban on Prop8...

The people's vote will prevail in CA just like they will prevail in NYC regarding the mosque. Actually it looks like there WON'T be ONE mosque built anywhere in America!

field negro said...

"Field, don't you think it's odd that suddenly there are mosques wanting to be built all over America? Could it be that Bin Laden has sent orders to build mosques all over America for muslim hidaways?"

I can hear Rod Sterling's voice in my head.

Kia said...

Field, the Carl Paladino story makes perfect sense..it is comming from a republican... house of demons.

Anonymous said...

Field, "I can hear Rod Sterling's voice in my head."

Damn Field, that's some serious stuff going on in your head, man. Either you are starting to hear voices that are telling you to do post shit you don't want to, or you are smoking some good Jamaican shit.

I'm going to the VI's in a few weeks. Please send some of that weed to LAA. I want her to be in a good mood when I call to say, "Hi".

Gregory said...

Field,
Returning from a couple of weeks out of 'mur-ka and I notice things haven't changed much.

The wingnuts' problems with "mooslims", as personified by slappy, present a bit of a paradox. Slappy assures us that no Muslim nation has ever amounted to much, while simultaneously quivering with fear that the Muslims are taking over the US, one mosque at a time. Well, which is it?

The idiocy from the right wing chattering class on the so-called Ground Zero Mosque is willful stupidity. Facts or logic mean little, fear mongering means everything.

n_s reminds me of those guys who hang out in the locker room at the gym. You never see them in the weight room, but they always seem to be in the showers. Given his rather limited repertoire of ideas and modest powers of persuasion, one wonders why he remains here. Perhaps he has a mancrush on you, Field.

Anonymous said...

Damn. Gregory is back.

rikyrah said...

FN,

you are so on point, and more pieces need to be written over and over again about the lies being told.

no_slappz said...

gregory writes:

Slappy assures us that no Muslim nation has ever amounted to much, while simultaneously quivering with fear that the Muslims are taking over the US, one mosque at a time. Well, which is it?

Undermining this nation by spreading an ideology that rejects our highest principles is one threat that our military cannot counter. Maybe you'll get the idea there is more than one way to conquer a nation, even a powerful one.

However, I do believe Americans are capable of stopping the spread of the vile islamic ideology in this country.

Meanwhile, one of the disturbing parts of the islamization of a nation is how the process takes the country backwards, on a path to the 7th century, where muslims want to be.

As I said, muslim nations are backwards, repressive places. Nevertheless, the religion/government/military is gaining strength in Africa, notably in Nigeria, which ensures the misery in that nation will continue till the end of time.

Other than oil, muslim nations produce NOTHING of value. There are no world-class industries in muslim nations. Nothing is invented or created in muslim nations because islam is the death of intellectual curiosity and innovation.

Anonymous said...

"It's also important to note that the controversy over the center, which has now engulfed the president, is only one of several that have flared up across the country over mosque construction or expansion plans. Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Wisconsin, California - all have seen fights over mosque proposals. There are even two other New York mosque projects, in Brooklyn and Staten Island, that have provoked attacks and demonstrations."

What I want to know is why the President felt he had to weigh in on the mosque controversy? IMO, he should have remained silent and let the people, who know best handle this. 70% Americans and the percentage is growing, do not want the mosque near Ground Zero. So why are some of you folks making a big stink about it?

In America, the majority has a lot of pull. GET IT? Americans don't care which politician says what. They care about the safety of their country. Islam should have been promoting itself as a peaceful religion a long time ago. But it didn't and Americans are not comfortable with a religion that won't speak up for itself. The only people who speaking up are NON-MUSLIMS.

Mr. Field, don't you think that is odd? That is, far far lefties like you are speaking for Muslims and Islam while they have said nothing? I am so glad that no_slappz is speaking up for America on this blog. It seems as though no_slappz is the "true American!"

Field, you have become the new modern LAWN JOCKEY for Muslims and Islam, while your followers on this blog are 'jiggin'. It's pathetic. We can no longer claim to be Black and proud because of Jocks like you and others.

I hope Rev Inc and other great leaders don't think to badly of you. You need to STFU. You are shaming the black race. You make me want to pack my shit and leave.

Well said...

"Other than oil, muslim nations produce NOTHING of value. There are no world-class industries in muslim nations. Nothing is invented or created in muslim nations because islam is the death of intellectual curiosity and innovation."

This is rather true. There's little doubt that fundamentalist Islam has destroyed the intellectual fabric of Muslim societies. However, the Middle East once once a vast repository of intellectual thought while Europe was mired in its own fundamentalist era.

Christianity we know today has a much diminished power over so-called Christian societies. If science and the Enlightenment hadn't broken the power of the church in Europe, we might have ended up much like the Muslim world. Yet, the Christian right would like us to return to the days were things like Evolution, stem cell research, and environmental science didn't exist; hence, we have the Christian fundamentalists.

Anonymous said...

To the folks on here like FN and UTS, if a 10 year old can recognize why we should not call ourselves niggas, then educated adults like you should know better. FN I hope this young man gets a blog out of you, and I hope that part of your soul hears his words on the dangers of the N-word.

Anonymous said...

"The U.S. government bears much of the responsibility for propagating this myth in the wake of 9/11. It allowed - indeed, encouraged - the view that a political attack carried out by a tiny group of radical terrorists was, in fact, an attack on America on behalf of all Muslims in the name of Islam. This was the argument disseminated by al-Qaeda itself. Hence, the federal government was in the curious position of promoting al-Qaeda's propaganda."

That ban of thugs were Muslims sent by Bin Laden and Company in the name of Islam. I remember the tapes and the news that showed the joy of Muslims all around the world over the destruction of the WTC and 3500 deaths of innocent Americans.

I remember how the Middle East countries and Islamic people reacted. Why should we honor the religion that had NO REGRET over killed Americans in its name? Nope. You are a fool if you think that Mosque is going to be built near Ground Zero. No Way!

And where did you get the idea that a sick liberal logical mind was more powerful than an emotional human mind? It's the emotional mind that make us human. Humans are not just a clump of gray matter. Of course, you lefties pride yourselves in NOT being human by having NO FEELINGS or EMPATHY FOR THE DEAD.

Field, you and your emotionally constipated followers should really try being human for a change. And having feelings for Ground Zero would be a good time to show it.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Well...the bible is fulfilling because it said that people would rather believe a lie than the truth in the last days and the love of many would wax cold!

"I am so glad that no_slappz is speaking up for America on this blog. It seems as though no_slappz is the "true American!"

This comment here is the most hilarious and lacking of common sense I've read so far. no_slappz is the "true American" LOL..LOL...LOL!

For someone claiming to be black to say something like that is more of an extreme disgrace to blacks seeing how the only people that no_slappz considers human happen to be pale white and all nonwhites are inhuman. Strange how this doesn't seem to disturb you at all seeing how you claim to be black. no_slappz believes that only whites are true Americans. What part of that did you not get?

BTW, there were Muslims who did speak up about 9/11 on various news medias, but Fox We Make Up Lies didn't. You need to change channels and get some real fair and balanced news because Fox We Make Up Lies does not specialize in that. In fact, they admit it!

http://www.relfe.com/media_can_legally_lie.html

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ksBgvzzT-o

To the folks on here like FN and UTS, if a 10 year old can recognize why we should not call ourselves niggas, then educated adults like you should know better. FN I hope this young man gets a blog out of you, and I hope that part of your soul hears his words on the dangers of the N-word.

Anonymous said...

Gregory, "Given his rather limited repertoire of ideas and modest powers of persuasion, one wonders why he remains here. Perhaps he has a mancrush on you, Field."

Thanks Gregory for the info. I did know that Field was on the DL. Welcome back...you are full of "surprising" information.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

offtopic:

@Rippa, I'm still waiting on you to do what I spoke to you about for me. :)

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

"Kia said
Field, the Carl Paladino story makes perfect sense..it is comming from a republican... house of demons."

Amen, I co-sign with you. Let me add to that multiple legions house of demons.

Anonymous said...

Granny, I read the link you posted in your comment. Fox was right and deserved to be protected under the circumstances. Where is the proof that Muslims spoke out against Bid Laden. I don't recall it and neither do you because there wasn't any. The entire knows that except you.

You failure to recognize no_slappz's changing nature toward Blacks is glaring. He is right that Blacks should be standing up for America, not the Middle East and Islam, who wants to destroy us.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Val said...

What's really interesting is that if those wanting to build this cultural center had waited until December, after the Elections, to seek approval to build then this would have never become a National conversation.

We all know these politicians only care about this as a way to rile up all the crazy Tea Baggers. Day after the election and they won't have a thing to say about it.

Anonymous said...

Granny, you need to lay off the Republicans. They are not the enemy. White Muslims are.

Anonymous said...

@Rippa, I'm still waiting on you to do what I spoke to you about for me. :)



JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, YOU GOD DAMNED PIECE OF SHIT ALWAYS WANTING SOMETHING FROM SOMEONE...

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous 10:46:

Speak for yourself! Because Muslims did do just that and they even went so far as to explain the difference in their religious beliefs. If you didn't see it you watching the wrong news media and I can't help that.

Nothing has changed in no-slappz nature towards blacks. He is steadfast in his beliefs and has shown that many times and over.

If anyone should be ashamed, it is you! I don't co-sign with and for bigots like no_slappz. You on the other hand are falling all over yourself to do just that. So save your fake sanctimonous speech for someone else! I'm not buying it.

coffee and cigarettes said...

Anon 10:05..the will of the majority does not get to trample on the rights of a minority. at one time the majority in the south did not support civil rights. there were demonstrations and violence when schools were integrated. similarly at one time the majority of men(and some women) were against women's rights. the fact that a majority of the populace is currently affected with prejudice and xenophobia does not mean that the rights we are supposed to hold dear should be suspended.
instead of being afraid of a fellow muslim American, be afraid of all forms of extremism. be afraid of a government that is willing to fund and train islamic extremists when it suits them. be afraid of the way tragedies like 911 will be exploited to get you into unnecessary wars. be afraid of a world that is supposed to be modern, yet is still fighting over the most basic rights to worship. be afraid that rhetoric that is being heard now, n_s i'm looking at you, sounds like it belongs somewhere in the time of the crusades.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Anonymous 10:49:

You pretty brave hiding behind a screen little fellow, but I betcha you would think twice, naaah, three times before saying that to my face. What time does your mommy get home?

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

@Val:

I agree with you all of it is nothing more than a political ploy to win elections. Just goes to show that you that some politicians are more interested in getting elected then they are in serving we the people, which includes all Americans regardless of their faith, religious background, status in life, or the color of their skin.

It just goes to show you that all of the bragging about what a wonderful country this is and all that talk about diversity and land of liberty is a bunch of crap. What it is really telling is that America was built on a bunch of lies and promises that they never intended to keep.

chicago dyke said...

i'm in a minority of people, i guess, who is sick and fucking tired of talking about this thing. seriously: there are about 20 people who will make the decision if it's built or not, and all of them live in and/or work for the city zoning board, of NYC. Bloomie may decide to step in, but honestly, i really can't be bothered to care. buildings go up in america by the 00s every day. zoning boards are variously corrupt, or not. i don't live there, it's no relevant to me at all and won't change my life in any way if it goes up or not.

what does disturb me: how many people can't seem to NOT talk about this issue, as if it really mattered. not dissing you, FN, nor anyone here, but still. can we focus on what's happening, for real? like so many ginned up "controversies" all this is really about is distracting people from the issues that matter. the wars/occupations that cost us trillions. the bankster bailouts. the lack of jobs. the disaster in the Gulf that isn't over, and about which the government (a democratic government, even!) continues to lie about... the list goes on and on. but far too many people generate strong emotions over non-issues like this, because they can't look away from the TV. it's very sad.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

ChicagoDyke:

I feel ya! You wrote the truth and nothing but the truth. When this controversy wears off, they'll have another one to take its place. They hire people who specialize in coming up with controversies to distract Americans from what is going on right up under their noses and MSM plays a major part in that role.

Val said...

@GrannyStandingforTruth


"It just goes to show you that all of the bragging about what a wonderful country this is and all that talk about diversity and land of liberty is a bunch of crap..."

So true!

RiPPa said...

@Granny: Oh snap, I forgot to make that happen; I apologize. Check your email in a few minutes.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

@Rippa: Okay, will do.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field, Paladino's comments have a lot of underlying sterotypical racist remarks in it that is old school racist's beliefs. Smh!

Read between the lines. That Ronnie Reagan myth sure did bait and hook a lot of suckers. Smh!

Anonymous said...

Coffee&Cigs, "Anon 10:05..the will of the majority does not get to trample on the rights of a minority. at one time the majority in the south did not support civil rights. there were demonstrations and violence when schools were integrated. similarly at one time the majority of men(and some women) were against women's rights. the fact that a majority of the populace is currently affected with prejudice and xenophobia does not mean that the rights we are supposed to hold dear should be suspended."

You have a great point. As I remember it, Blacks marched, got beat up, got thrown in jail, and even died for their rights. Note that I said, BLACKS fought for THEMSELVES.

I haven't seen any Muslims doing much fighting for themselves. But plenty of self-sacrificing Blacks have been 'jumping out there' for them, esp on this blog. The Muslim-Jihadists have said NOTHING while others have been fighting for them. It reminds me of the Gulf War in Kuwait. America did the fighting for those spineless peace-loving Islamists. Now we are doing it again, except we are doing it on our own soil for all Muslims here who have yet to voice their solidarity with their fellow Americans in fighting the war against terrorists of the Muslim world.

Quite honestly, I don't believe the average American Muslim really gives a shit about Americans and their fellow men. As I have mentioned in another comment, I remember clearly, that Muslims around the world rejoiced the day those planes flew into the WTC and killed 3500 Americans. I still see them similing in my mind. And I am amazed no one on this blog remembers that!

Fortunately 70% of Americans DO remember and are responding the way any human being with a heart in America would respond. And if American Muslims really want to be heard, then they should get off their asses and let their voices be heard--instead of Blacks and others speaking for them.

BTW black folks, you are doing it ONCE AGAIN...you are running 'point man' to be the first sacrificed for a group of people who hates your black asses. Once again, Blacks are TEACHING others that they will be there for them even though they know others WON'T be there for them.

Well, as a black person, let me be clear: I don't want a mosque built near Ground Zero where American love ones were killed by Muslim-Jihadists in the name of Islam. Go fuck yourselves and your so-called rational goddamn minds cause I don't want to here it.

Try again in another 10 years when feelings might not be so raw; and emotions don't run so high; and we aren't in a fearful war with those Muslim Jihadists terrorists who want to destroy us. Can you hear the rational logic behind that? Probably not.

Anonymous said...

frank-

I'll bite.

Black Women do not hate their hair. Other folks do and it is their problem.

Black Women, reserve the right to braid, twist, loc, straigthen, plait, cornrow, weave, etc their hair. Why? Because it is THEIRS!

IF you could stop being racist, you will see white and other women emulate Black Women with the many options for how we wear our hair. Were it NOT for racist idiots like yourself, it wouldn't take Bo Derek or some other white woman emulating Black Women for said styles to be BEAUTIFUL.

For the record NO ONE cares what you like. Drackman? Isn't that Jewish? If you are such a fan of Afros just rock your Jewfro and leave Black Women alone!

You azzholes can only address this racist on other things. He ROUTINELY posts ish about Black Women to the sound of...cricket. What's up with that?! SMH.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 1:44 AM

THANK YOU. More black folks need to understand the point you are making. Understanding and insisting on reciprocity would help.

I meant to say "crickets"...what is routinely heard on this board when folks go in on Black Women.

Eric's SoulFunkPunk Experience said...

“Who cares if Obama is a Muslim, Christian or Hindu, there is nothing in the Constitution that says a President has to be a Christian. This is spiel by white conservatives who think he is going to align himself with the Nation Of Islam or other Black Muslim sects to 'start the race war between blacks and whites'.”

No2.Carl Paladino like the 'tea party he represents is a fascist bastard who probably wouldn't have a chance in a good economy but since we are in the middle of a recession he is getting more attention than he deserves. His plan to put New York's poor into so-called modern concentration camps reeks of the third reich but it's not surprising coming from Dick Armey and their tea party goon squad.

And Fuck James j. Kilpatrick may he and Billy "Boy" Buckley rot in hell or as many degrees as Dante has for all these racist right-wingers whom are just Fascists in disquise.

GO TAMPA BAY BUCS !!!

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

It is ashamed that there are so many people living in America that are burden down with fear. I can't live like that. Nope!

I will never understand how some people are so fearful of dying that they are afraid to live and let live. Does it ever occur to them that we all have a set time to die, regardless. No human being is gonna live forever, nor can they prevent the way they will die from happening. And no one on this earth knows where, how, or when that time will be. You can just as easily die in your sleep, die in a car accident, die from natural causes.

People need to try living one day at time and pray that they'll be blessed with one more day, but I guess that is too complicated for them in this day and age.

Anonymous has a fear of Jihadist terrorist that has consumed their very being and that is sad. I wonder has it occurred to them that something as simple as the air we breath daily is killing people, the food we eat with all its perservatives is killing us, the medicines some take are killing them too. There are many things that we don't fear that are killing us daily, but anonymous and others fear people different from them and those same people more than likely fear anonymous and Americans too.

I remember once reading a letter that Farrahkhan wrote to President Bush telling him not to go to war with Iraq and believe it or not that letter was prophetic. However, most people kill the message sometimes because they don't like the messenger. Funny, God sent a mule to give a message in the bible once, but Balaam had sense enough to listen and take heed.

That mule was representative of how stubborn some folks can be in their fears. They don't want to give them up. Nope! They'd rather live in fear for the rest of their lives than to enjoy peace of mind while living and letting others live.

I betcha the hospital emergency rooms are filled with more people suffering from anxiety which is caused by fear than anything else and suffering from sicknesses that are not real but caused by anxiety and stress.

The story of Job wasn't just about a man of faith, it was also about fear, but most people don't catch on to that part of the story. Just like they don't understand how destructive fear is or what the seed of fear will produce.

360+5 said...

slap_happy said...

"Undermining this nation by spreading an ideology that rejects our highest principles is one threat that our military cannot counter. Maybe you'll get the idea there is more than one way to conquer a nation, even a powerful one."

Isn't that what you Republicans are doing, "spreading an ideology that rejects our highest principles," when you, and they, oppose the building of Mosques in this country, although our U.S. Constitution protect Muslim rights to do so?

Rather than upholding the Constitution, you're spitting on it, using this controversy, as Bush used the threat of another terrorist attack in this country, to keep power, and to expand it.

You and your ilk don't trust the Constitution to keep us strong and safe. You have to violate it in the name of protecting it.

With patriots like you, we may as well burn the document, and be done with it. You've already reduced it to ashes in your mind and in your soul.

360+5 said...

Anon said..."You azzholes can only address this racist on other things. He ROUTINELY posts ish about Black Women to the sound of...cricket. What's up with that?! SMH."

Is this your first response to Drackman's attack on black women?

Then you, too, have been a part of the "cricket" chorus.

If we haven't responded to Drackman, it's because we pass him over, refusing to give him even the respect of a reading.

Calling us "azzholes" doesn't add to our shame as much as it adds to yours.

Name calling may give you the momentary satisfaction that you're "one-up," when, in actuality, you had to climb down off your high horse, take two steps back, and stand in the gutter to deliver your one-liner.

TA said...

All of this sadly gets back to race. These folk were nowhere to be found when their preferred party and president doubled our national debt, signed the Medicare Modernization Act (which put over $400 billion of pure deficit spending in a government health care program), the NCLBA (over $50 billion of deficit spending in public schools and imposing national standardized tests on those local schools), and to say nothing of the $700 billion-plus Wall Street bailout bill (again deficit spending). No tea parties, no shooting out of Congressional office windows, no spitting on members of the Congressional Black Caucus, no near race riot attacks on anyone who "looks" Muslim (i.e., non-white), as almost occurred Sunday in NYC.

Without race, there is no reason to be holding a conversation about any of this because the right is devoid of any consistency or legitimacy on economic issues. How in the world can they look at anyone in the face and say we should have a capital gains tax cut? This is why they're getting themselves (and their easily manipulated lumpens) up in a dander over a proposed "mosque" a couple of blocks away from ground zero, and why they want to expel Mexicans from Arizona and, if they had it their way, the rest of the US. It's race and more importantly it is the racial fear of whites about what will be happening demographically in the next four decades that is driving all of this.

Remember when these same folk were saying several years ago that it was not a war against Islam, just a different form of tickling during interrogations, or that we were spreading the sweet joys of democracy through cluster bombs and drones so to liberate them for their own good? Well, that fig leaf has been removed, and this is the hatred we are finally seeing from them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN-F4&

I can guarantee that you will not be seeing that on Glenn Beck.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

@350+5 at 3:25:

Amen!

Those rightwing folks have pumped up folks to go out and buy guns and ammunition, Failing Palin is telling Dr. Laura to reload on the "N" word (when she needs to go take her tail somewhere, sit down, and hush),the Jim Crow teabagger's candidates are suggesting concentration camps for blacks, racial profiling for hispanics, burning of the Koran, and the list goes on and on to demonstate without a doubt some of these crazy white folks have lost their mind.

The way these crazy rightwing folks are acting, it makes you wonder do you need to start walking around with a cross and holy water to ward off their evil. Smh!

They're a bunch of warmongers! I'm just saying!

Amen TA!

Those folks love to meddle and start mess. Don't know how to live in peace with people. It's sickening!

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kid said...

First to the guy that said or inferred that a Muslim killed RFK, wrong. Sirhan-Sirhan was a Palistian that was a Roseacrusian, a Christian.

Second guess what's three blocks from Ground Zero? Unlike the Gym and prayer area, this is a Mosque and been there a while. Finally some pundits on Sunday said that this bigotry coming from some of our white brothers is a THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. Iman Rauf is working for the State Department trying to calm the Muslim commumity overseas this week. The bigots aren't making his job any easier. It's kind of dangerous for him to go to the Mideast when at a funeral for Richard Pearle he said "I am a Jew".

field negro said...

n_s, you are a racist xenophobic clown, who has zero credibility with me or any other person who uses their brain. I am starting to read Frank Drackman's comments before yours because they usually make more sense.

Sup Gregory? Nice to see you back.

"Well, as a black person, let me be clear: I don't want a mosque built near Ground Zero where American love ones were killed by Muslim-Jihadists in the name of Islam. Go fuck yourselves and your so-called rational goddamn minds cause I don't want to hear it."

Damn! Some of you Negroes really love your house. How dare dem Muslims mess with A-merry-ca, this beautiful house that massa built for me...."let me stop. :) I hear you Anon. I feel your pain. It's hard to jig and put a smile on massa's face when he is going through this Muslim stuff.

Sarge said...

Well said, Field!

But, it's "Them", isn't it? Always "Them" and their differences...

And the "Big Lie" is the most useful tool the controllers of a culture can use. Never out of fashion...or should I say, tather, "fasc - ion".

maria said...

wapo story on mosques being opposed all over the US (story i first saw jon stewart do on the daily show a week ago!).

ignore that sally quinn had anything to do with this (she didn't).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?hpid=topnews

kid said...

maria wouldn't you be scared to build a Mosque knowing that a word from Glenn Beck or Gov. Satan Pagan can get them killed? The story is false. BTW, it's a Gym, not a Mosque. We all know that Massa Murdoch told you what to say.

no_slappz said...

field, you posted:

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, has highlighted Geller associate John Joseph Jay as "truly vicious."

Your claim does NOT exist on the Southern Poverty Law Center website.

According to the center, Jay wrote in his (all-lowercase) blog: "if islam kills non-believers as a matter of religious doctrine, then why should muslims expect to be free of retribution in the name of those islam kills?"

Actually, this tidbit was posted by The Daily Kos. The SPLC merely repeated the Kos statement.

Meanwhile, have you nitwits forgotten that muslims have been killing large numbers of other muslims and non-muslims around the globe for decades? And they ALWAYS do the killing in the name of their crazy god and muhammad.

Unlike some threats -- sometimes nothing more than disturbances in anxious minds -- muslims have committed murder non-stop for decades. And they are proud of it.

Most recently, the muslim bomber of Pan Am Flight 103 was released from prison and given a hero's welcome in Libya, his home. If you have forgotten that story, well, al-Megrahi planted a bomb that detonated in a jet as it flew over Lockerbie, Scotland and 290 innocent victims were murdered.

In Libya, he's a returning hero. That's what islam does.

Anonymous said...

Americans can't go to muslim countries and build a Christian church. Why should people come to America and get to build their hate church?

La♥audiobooks said...

Anonymous said...
"Americans can't go to muslim countries and build a Christian church. Why should people come to America and get to build their hate church?"


America does not belong to you. It doesn't belong to any one group or race of people.

Furthermore, Christianity does not belong to "America". And not all Americans are Christians nor choose to participate in any type of religion.

I really don't have an opinion on this subject, I just had to mention that. Now back to lurking.

RiPPa said...

Since March of 2003, A-Merry-Ca has built quite a number of "ground zeros" near mosques in a certain oil rich country based on over 900 lies; freedom being one of them.

But i suppose the 4000+ U.S. troops who died to preserve and promote said freedom were duped as well. They actually died so that black guys could be racially profiled and mistaken to be Muslim by angry mobs at ground zero (see video on my latest blog post).

Freedom is a bitch who rides a horse named hipocrite, aint it?

Zaida said...

I do not understand black Americans obsession with defending Muslism and Islam.
Many immigrant Muslims don't even like black people. They usually stay far away from African Americans and many did not vote even for Obama.
The large majority of Arabs, Pakistanis, Turks ,foreign born and children of foreign born Muslims are conservative Republicans.
It does not matter what white conservatives say about them, Muslims are much closer in values and views with white conservative Americans than with African Americans.
These Muslism don't even see NOI and the Black Sunnis here in the States as equal.
They know pretty well that the vast majority of Black American Muslims do not represent the very best of black America but ex convicts .
I wish black people would refrain from jumping into every controversy. This mosque is not a black problem. Obama should have butted out of it.
Let the folks involved solve their own problem.
This is not a freedom of religion issue because no one is against building the mosque alone, it is the location of the mosque that is the problem. This is a sensitivity issue similar to rednecks flying the oconservative flags. I can understand the relatives of the victims of 9/11 voicing their opinion against thie mosque.I have yet to see moderate muslims taking a stand. Tnis is ther time to take a stand and at least say something. Please black people butt out, this is not your problem.

kid said...

Anonymous said...
Americans can't go to muslim countries and build a Christian church. Why should people come to America and get to build their hate church?

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You can't build a church on the site of the Wailing Wall. You can't take a piss their either. That analogy is getting tired.

The only people in America that has built monuments to their religion where they killed a lot of people is America. Look at where the original Natives lived. Sexual transmitted diseases, slavery, and murder.Statues of Christopher Columbus and a holiday. Don't forget Tulsa when black people were bombed and three months later the Klan set up a government!Japanese interment.

It happened to every group in America but whites!

kid said...

Zaida said...
I do not understand black Americans obsession with defending Muslism and Islam.
Many immigrant Muslims don't even like black people. They usually stay far away from African Americans and many did not vote even for Obama.
The large majority of Arabs, Pakistanis, Turks ,foreign born and children of foreign born Muslims are conservative
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Why do you hate the troops so much? Why are you trying to get them KILLED! Many speakers on Sunday shows said that our free speech , IS BECOMING A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE! Iman Rauf worked with the Bush administration trying to do outreach with the Muslim community. He's over there now doing the exact same shit now.If I was him I would tell the whole Republiklan party to kiss my ass.Why do Fox and Conservatives want to make more terrorist? Why do you hate the troops and America so much?

People in the Mideast can read this.Damn you're dumb!

They should change the name from Fox to al-Qaeda recruitment center!

RiPPa said...

@Zaida: I think to classify this as a "muslim problem", or one which blacks should not be concerned is foolish.

It's an American problem; one of equal protection everyone is afforded per the constitution.

To remain apathetic is to side with the individuals who seek to deny constitutional rights. And like Howard Zinn once said, "You can't stay neutral on a moving train."

But I suppose black folks aren't freedom loving Americans, right? Yep, I suppose that's only reserved for everyone but black folks.

Those shackles were a muthafuka, weren't they?

Zaida said...

Kid: What the hell is your point? Your rambling has nothing to do with my statement.
You seemed to have a reading comprehension problem.
Kid, Did you graduate form high school?

kid said...

Zaida I have Muslims in my family. My mother could be Muslim for all you know. Go straight to hell. That Willie Lynch divide and conqure shit won't work today!

STFU!

kid said...

Zaida, how many of our soldiers got their ass killed today because of your dumb bullshit? When you want to change the subject your beeyotch ass go to the grammar question. Answer my question ,how many soldiers you want to die because of your bigotry? Just buy a MF care box and send it to al-Qaeda.

Zaida said...

Rippa: Let the moderate Muslims solve this problem. This is not our problem.I have not heard many of them saying anything and showing their faces.
Why must black people show their faces on this one?
Muslims (Arabs, Pakistanis, Turks, etc.) are going to stay quiet come rain, flood or high water, and still vote Republican.

This is the problem with black folks, we jump into everything defending the rights of others while so many of our problems remained unsolved.It is time to use our heads.Or is it simply the desire to always be contrary to Whitey that blacks jump into every controversy.
Solve your blasted problems which are more than what foreign born Muslims and their children have here in the States.
The majority of non-black Muslims here in the States are professional and rich. They will vote Republican tomorrow.

Are Asians, Hispanics and other groups getting involed? NO

kid said...

Zaida said...
Kid: What the hell is your point? Your rambling has nothing to do with my statement.
You seemed to have a reading comprehension problem.
Kid, Did you graduate form high school?

9:19 AM
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What is graduate FORM high school? Do you have a comprehension problem?

Do you mean FROM dumbass?

Hathor said...

Zaida,

Would this have been your concern, if a certain group of developers had succeeded in removing the oldest Black church in America, because it offended the sensibilities of the gentrified and occupied prime real estate?

Zaida said...

Kid, You should understand that if you are a black American, a Turk, Arab or Paakistani see you as very diffrent from them. I have Muslim friends from those countries and many stay far away from your type . As a matter of fact many of them are more interested in Latinos, and white converting to Islam than a black American.It is no secret that the most well educated black Americans do not convert to islam, only exconvicts and black people with issues. As a matter of fact, the new black in the States right now, West Indians and many Africans are not Muslims. And it will freeze in hell first before many West Indians convert to Islam. This mosque is not a black issue.

kid said...

Zaida do you know that there are Black Iraqis? Damn if Martin Luther King was you he would have quit the first day and went home. He said injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere. Why do I have the strange feeling that you're white?

On Sunday a brother wearing a kufi was almost beaten up. They were going to do it because they thought he was Muslim. What if he was? Thaat's not a reason to kick someone's ass. So next time you're out and to somebody you "look Muslim", think about it?

Zaida said...

Kid, You sound like a victim.All I am saying is let the other Muslism solve this issue. This is not a black problem.

Hathor: My problem is where they are building the mosque. This mosque could be built any where else . I find it dishonest for people to say they are discriminating against Muslims when the very Muslims are insensitive to the victims relatives.
This issimilar to the Conservative flag or a Swastika.Those symbols are offensive to certain people. Any area near Ground Zero is a sensitive area to the relatives of the victims. SENSITIVITY is the key word and black people should understand that.

La♥audiobooks said...

Zaida at 9:05 am, this is one of the reasons why I choose not to voice an opinion on this subject. It does not bother me in any way if the "Muslim center" is built near or away from ground zero. I still have bills to pay.

Just like the conservatives are lumping all Muslims together as radicals. It seems that some black folks on this blog are also lumping all Muslims together as their brotherly alias. I've been shaking my head at this for some time now.

As a black woman, I choose to expend my energy elsewhere. At the end of the day, most Muslims especially the non-black Muslim community, Arab community, Indian community, White community, non-black Latin community, Asian community, and the neighbors cat do not care about Black people/black looking people nor do they care about black women like me.

Now back to lurking.

kid said...

Zaida said...
Kid, You sound like a victim.All I am saying is let the other Muslism solve this issue. This is not a black problem.

Hathor: My problem is where they are building the mosque. This mosque could be built any where else . I find it dishonest for people to say they are discriminating against Muslims when the very Muslims are insensitive to the victims relatives.
This issimilar to the Conservative flag or a Swastika.Those symbols are offensive to certain people. Any area near Ground Zero is a sensitive area to the relatives of the victims. SENSITIVITY is the key word and black people should understand that.

9:47 AM
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First you sound like someone from the White Citizens Council.Muslims died in the WTC too. If your ass was black you would know why I sound like a victim.

Second, just to blow everyone's minds and show how tolerant Americans are we ought to put a Mosque INSIDE THE NEW WTC! My only worry would be tea baggers or 700 Club viewers trying to blow it up instead.

Why are you pissed about a health club two blocks from (or your word form) the WTC when there's a Mosque three blocks away?

You should be worring about Glenn Beck starting a race riot in DC and inviting Gov Satan Pagan and Ted Nugent a guy that is a racist.

RiPPa said...

@Zaida: By your logic, I guess Rosa Parks should have been sensitive to the feeling and needs of white folks and sat at the back of the bus because that of course was her place, right?

Shit, Rosa Parks should have considered the feelings of white folks and stayed her nosy black ass off the bus, right?

Here's something to think about: remember the girls killed at the 7th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham? Well, the idiots then are doing the same thing now, but just differently.

Maybe those muthafuckas need to go back to bombing and burning down black churches for you and other black people to understand how white supremacy works.

kid said...

La♥audiobooks you and Zaida talk the same SHIT! Maybe you're the same person. What if a Field said on his Blog that he's only going to help Black men and he doesn't have time for Black women ? You would be pitching a bitch! I'm down with anyone that getting shafted, which makes my enemy the whole Republiklan Party.

Willie Lynch is dead and so is his way of training "slaves".

uptownsteve said...

"As a black woman, I choose to expend my energy elsewhere. At the end of the day, most Muslims especially the non-black Muslim community, Arab community, Indian community, White community, non-black Latin community, Asian community, and the neighbors cat do not care about Black people/black looking people nor do they care about black women like me."

This is really a silly attitude.

Its not as if supporting the right of Islamic Center to be built is a "pro-Muslim" position.

The bigger picture is the freedom of religion and freedom of expression which every conscious American should be concerned with.

And outraged that those rights are being threatened by bigotry and rightwing demagoguery.

Who knows La*Audio?

Today it's the Muslims.

Tomorrow it may be the black male hating feminists.

false1! said...

Re: James Jackson Kilpatrick

Send em to hell Field. Send em all straight to hell

kid said...

RiPPa we know people that have done like Zaida have stated, Clarence Thomas, Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Juan Williams and the rest of the minsterels .

Zaida said...

La, I agre with you. This is not our problem. Most of the funding will come from maybe Saudi Arabia the Emiratis, and God knows where.
Those Muslims will be able to raise the entire money in perhaps a day.
Why are black people concerning themselves with and wasting time and energy over this.
And this is an ongoing problem with black people always getting heated up over inconsequential issues that are just not important to the upliftment of any one of us.If this had been anything to defend the honor of black women,to try to end street crime,improve education for black children, none of them would get involved or even open their mouths.
And I am supposed to be concerned about this mosque, and defend its construction which has nothing at all to do with me.
Let the rich white loving Emiratis and Saudis living here in the States and abroad defend this issue. They have the time and the resources.
Kid, You are a fool. I will not waste my time with you.

Hathor said...

Zaida,
The issue has nothing to do with Black folks supporting Islam, but Black folk being American. If this issue had arisen some 40 year ago and succeeded in banning that center, that Black church I spoke of would have been leveled. There would have been a precedent set and perhaps the revocation of the 1st amendment. They say that 70% of Americans oppose that Muslim center. All it takes is for two thirds of the states to ratify a constitutional amendment to alter or repeal the 1st amendment. There is talk of repealing the 14th amendment now in congress, which could greatly affect the citizenship status of Black people, even though it is currently propose because of illegal immigration.
You need to beware of wolves posing in sheep's clothing, because it only takes an instant for the mobs appetite to morph from Muslim to Blacks.

I far as I am concerned you can fly the Confederate Flag on your lawn, wear it on your backside or on the side of your car, wave it at your rallies, but you can not fly it upon any US State Building for the same reason you cannot fly the Soviet flag.

uptownsteve said...

"And this is an ongoing problem with black people always getting heated up over inconsequential issues that are just not important to the upliftment of any one of us.If this had been anything to defend the honor of black women,to try to end street crime,improve education for black children, none of them would get involved or even open their mouths."

So let me get this straight.

Are you actually stating that none of these issues are discussed by black folks or haven't been discussed on Field's blog?

Or are you one of the self-appointed Black Taliban who are attempting to dictate what subjects black should only discuss?

And why is that the biggest yappers about the supposed lack of respect toward black women are the biggest demonizers of black men?
And I am supposed to be concerned about this mosque, and defend its construction which has nothing at all to do with me.

La♥audiobooks said...

"La♥audiobooks you and Zaida talk the same SHIT! Maybe you're the same person."

Wrong assumption.

"What if a Field said on his Blog that he's only going to help Black men and he doesn't have time for Black women ? "

That was a poor analogy. When black people continuously expend energy on non-black minority groups there is never reciprocation. Black women have always found time to help, uplift and support black men. If the black man uplifts the black woman, not only will he continue to receive reciprocation, but he would be helping himself. Black people would be strengthening the barriers against ALL our oppressors.

"I'm down with anyone that getting shafted,"

If only the other minority groups could feel that same way towards black people who are always getting it up the shaft without their assistance or reciprocation.


"Willie Lynch is dead and so is his way of training "slaves".'

There is an irony behind your Willie Lynch theory because black people still can't seem to unify amongst themselves first and foremost. Even in the reverse, the Willie Lynch is working to weaken black unity and black self preservation either way.

uptownsteve said...

"Black women have always found time to help, uplift and support black men."

Give me a specific example of this please.

Especicially in regards to your suggestion that black men abandon black women.

Zaida said...

Uptownsteve:
Let me repeat my position.This mosque has nothing to do with black people.
If blacks were more concerned with addressing their problems and coming up with solutions and not only intertesd in being the Contrarians of Whitey , black Americans would be better off today.
But I have long learned that the sole most important quest is to be the Contrarian of Whitey .

Let the rich, white skin loving Saudis , Emiratis, Turks, Iranians and foreign born Muslims and their children defend their mosques.
Do you see latinos, Chinese, Koreans,Indians, Philipinos,Native Americans and other groups voicing their concern.NO.
They are smart enough to know that this is not their issue.
All of a sudden black people are interested in freedom and defendng people's rights under the Constitution.
Why the hell don't you defend the rights of those blacks who are forced to live in crime ridden areas?
Oh, Hypocrites. Because this does not involve Whitey.
Those Muslims are not interested in any of you.
They love white people anyway and will vote Republican tomorrow against you to defend their economic intertest and social values.

kid said...

13 AM


Zaida said...
La, I agre with you. This is not our problem. Most of the funding will come from maybe Saudi Arabia the Emiratis, and God knows where.
Those Muslims will be able to raise the entire money in perhaps a day.
Why are black people concerning themselves with and wasting time and energy over this.
And this is an ongoing problem with black people always getting heated up over inconsequential issues that are just not important to the upliftment of any one of us.If this had been anything to defend the honor of black women,to try to end street crime,improve education for black children, none of them would get involved or even open their mouths.
And I am supposed to be concerned about this mosque, and defend its construction which has nothing at all to do with me.
Let the rich white loving Emiratis and Saudis living here in the States and abroad defend this issue. They have the time and the resources.
Kid, You are a fool. I will not waste my time with you.

10:15 AM

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The right have brought up this "issue" as you call it because they have nothing to run on. The place is a damn Gym with a prayer room, BTW there's a real Mosque a few blocks from Ground Zero. BTW Saudis are not considered white, just ask any tea bagger. Prince Bandar who some called "Bandar Bush" is black. His mother was a slave.He could be the next ruler of Saudi Arabia.

Do you know the same SHIT you're saying is the same stuff they said about the President. They said he doesn't know about real racism because his family didn't experience it being from Africa. Yea his Grandfaather had it worst than us. That Willie Lynch divide the slaves shit played out. So go back to massa and tell him we ain't hearin' it.

maria said...

kid said...
maria wouldn't you be scared to build a Mosque knowing that a word from Glenn Beck or Gov. Satan Pagan can get them killed? The story is false. BTW, it's a Gym, not a Mosque. We all know that Massa Murdoch told you what to say.

8:22 AM

kid, you get that i am not opposing this NYC mosque, right? i posted the story saying people are opposing mosques EVERYWHERE; ground zero's got nothing to do with it.

La♥audiobooks said...

For the record I really don't have an opinion where the "Muslim center" is built. And I understand the bigotry and the American contradiction against them.

However, I just wanted to point out if the tables were turn, these same predominantly non-black oriented groups would not lift a brow to a "black cause" or even a "black Muslim cause" if it didn't benefit them directly in some way. These groups have their own resources and support networks, much greater than what black people have been able to obtain for themselves in and outside of America. Black people in general need to understand that. That's all.

uptownsteve said...

First of all your premise is wrong.

I don't see any mass protest or outrage on the part of black Americans one way or another vis-a-vis the Islamic Center.

As someone pointed out earlier, where's Jesse, Al and Farrakhan?

MIA.

If you have a problem with Field discussing it, take it up with him.

But the more I listen you you sound like another silly coonservative who has consigned all blacks to the dysfunctional ghetto and we will remain there until we realize that we are congenitally fucked up and whitey has nothing to do with it.

Is that about right?

kid said...

Zaida said...
Uptownsteve:
Let me repeat my position.This mosque has nothing to do with black people.
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Kid said:

Ask the black people that go to Mosque dumbass.

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Zaida:

Let the rich, white skin loving Saudis , Emiratis, Turks, Iranians and foreign born Muslims and their children defend their mosques.

Kid:

They can't they're too damn scared a Fox viewer or a 700 Club member might kill them! BTW, I have Muslims in my family I have to do something, your shiffless lazy ass isn't.

_____________________________
Zaida:


Do you see latinos, Chinese, Koreans,Indians, Philipinos,Native Americans and other groups voicing their concern.NO.
They are smart enough to know that this is not their issue.
All of a sudden black people are interested in freedom and defendng people's rights under the Constitution.
Why the hell don't you defend the rights of those
_______________________________
Kid:

As a matter of fact I do see them , BTW half of the Muslims in the world are Asian?

Well said...

"Black women have always found time to help, uplift and support black men."


Black women were critical to the Civil Rights movement; though, they were almost completely shut out of leadership positions within organizations of the time. Correta Scott King stood by her husband through thick and thin, despite the fact that he was seldom home and despite the fact that he cheated on her innumerable times.

Black women were also crucial to the Black power and Black nationalist groups of the sixties and seventies, despite the fact that sexism was rampant in such organizations.

Elaine Brown became head of the Black Panthers only to resign due to rampant sexism and the sanctioned beating of a female member. Women like Brown and Angela Davis had supported the organization despite its flaws, including the inclusion of an admitted rapist-Eldridge Cleaver-among its top ranks.


Go to any black church today and you'll find it wouldn't exist without its female members-who are almost always the majority. Yet, how many congregations are headed by women ?

Zaida said...

Foolish Abeed Kid:
Prince Bandar is the son of a white skinned Saudi prince and a black Sudanese concubine/slave.
His father ignored him when he was a child because of his dark complexion.
It is because of Bandar's cunning and intelligence which he used for his advantage, forcing his father to send him to aviation school where he excelled and thus gained his father's confidence.
Prince Bandar could have easily have been relegated to a slavish position within the kingdom. Remember there are many dark skinned, second class versions of Bandar, the result of the control and power that Saudi mnen have over their slave/concubine women, many from the dark Muslim world.

Hence the term "abeed", used a lot by Arabs in the Middle East.
Most foreign born Muslims are not fond of black skinned people and do not regard themselves as blacks. They love white skin poeple.
Amazing, African American Muslim men rush to Morocco to marry mulatto looking Morrocoan women and Morrocoan men rush to Europe and the States to marry white women.
I agree with La: If this were some black issue, foreign born Muslims would not lift their voice to defend black people.
This mosque is not our concern.

Well said...

"I don't see any mass protest or outrage on the part of black Americans one way or another vis-a-vis the Islamic Center."


Why exactly should there be? How many Muslim-especially Arab groups-do you see protesting on behalf of blacks ? Don't kid yourself. How many Muslim store keepers and corner store operators have businesses in black neighborhoods and don't put one dime into said neighborhoods ? instead they take that money back to the Arab community.

Reciprocation. Only deal with reciprocation.

kid said...

maria: You're a troll, get to steppin' back to the WCC or CCC or whatever you racist call it now.

La♥audiobooks said...
For the record I really don't have an opinion where the "Muslim center"

Then why don't you STFU!You only help people if you get something in return, that's called being selfish. Clarence Thomas and Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson think like you too. I not a quid pro quo kind of guy.

Zaida said...

Kid: You know very well that the Asian groups living in the States that I have mentioned are not Muslims. Stop fooling yourself.

kid said...

I got a feelin' I got a feelin' brothers, I got a feelin', that PUMA is trying to sneak into our frat.

AND IT AIN'T GONNA' BE NO SHIT LIKE THAT!

Zaida said...

Kid: By the way, Prince Bandar is a good good friend of George W Bush, not Obama.

kid said...

Zaida , what day does that sorry Motherfucker Larry C. Johnson hand out your PUMA checks. Maybe you go to Ratfucker Alex Jones at "Prison Planet" and get paid, which is it?

kid said...

Zaida just join the tea party , get your snake flag and burn the holy book of your choice like a good little bigot.

Shady_Grady said...

While I can certainly appreciate the argument that Black Americans should be self-interested just like every other group, there are some issues which speak to all of us as Americans and that which everyone should be involved in and aware of. And anyway Blacks and Muslims are not by definition separate groups. There are quite a few Black American Muslims as well as Black Muslims of more recent foreign ancestry (Somalis, Nigerians, Sengelase, Algerians, etc...) The Black man that was accosted by the anti-Muslim people at the "rally" may have been in real danger. They assumed he was a Muslim because of how he looked. Dangerous stuff.

The proposed Park 51 center is not about supporting immigrants or thinking that they are great people. Some of them are, some of them aren't-just like any other group. It's about the basic ability of American citizens and legal residents to enjoy the rights guaranteed under the First Amendment to worship where they please. This is exactly the sort of stuff that was going in Detroit back in the nineties when whites hit the roof over the Malcolm X academy in Warrendale. We can't allow the majority to start bullying people and determine when, where, how and under what conditions the minority may exercise their rights. It's about having basic knowledge of religion to understand that Rauf and his wife are not the Muslims who committed 9-11. As mentioned Sufi's are often attacked and killed by fundamentalist Al-Quada types. It's about realizing that there are already strip clubs in the area as well a mosque at Ground Zero that's been there for decades. So this has nothing to do with any sort of GZ sanctity and everything to do with ginning up anti-Muslim xenophobia. No law has been broken and the appropriate rules have been followed to a t. So there is no legal reason to prevent the center from being built. Bloomburg, who is a passionate supporter of Israel supports Rauf, who is not, because Bloomburg on this issue at least, is smart enough to understand that once you decide to ignore minority rights on one issue, there's no telling where it may stop. There are greater goods in the world than pure self-interest.

The idea that there is or should be some sort of Muslim-exception to constitutional rights doesn't fly.

What about Black Muslims with identifiable long American ancestry? e.g Keith Ellison. Should they also be prevented from building or expanding mosques or would this ban only apply to "foreign" Muslims? And how far away would the Park 51 center need to be from Ground Zero if 2 blocks is not enough? Five blocks? Ten blocks? One borough?

And can demagoguery over this issue be applied to other "strange" religions or just Islam? If say a bunch of White Christians in Michigan decide that a synagogue is too close to some historic Christian site would people be sympathetic? What about Hindu temples? Many of them haven't exactly received warm welcomes from the larger majority community.

maria said...

kid said...
maria: You're a troll, get to steppin' back to the WCC or CCC or whatever you racist call it now.

HUH? whatever, dude. your rage is misplaced. but i'm getting out of your line of fire. suggest you do the same.

Zaida said...

Kid: Once again, you are a fool. Let me guess,you are an exconvict, crack head, recent convert to Islam.
This is why the immigrant Muslims stay far away from your type and are only interested in whites and latinos converting to Islam.
I have no idea what you are saying?
Who is Larry Johnson and what are PUMA checks, Prison Planet. Stay with the topic please.

uptownsteve said...

Well,

The leadership of US government, military and corporate America is primarily white male.

Does that mean that white women are supporting, uplifting, and helping white men with no return???

And are you telling me that black women in no way have benefitted from the work of the Civil Rights movement or the black church???

This is just some more tired black male bashing from bitter females who can't deal with the fact that black males are not going passively accept their demonization of us.

"Why exactly should there be? How many Muslim-especially Arab groups-do you see protesting on behalf of blacks."

My question was in response to the assertion that blacks were expending too much energy on the Islamic Center at WTC issue, which of course is a strawman.

RiPPa said...

@Well: Your anger is misplaced; blacks can open businesses in "the hood" just like "Arabs" do. You sound shitty about the fact that they don't. But the truth is, black people support these businesses. Instead of stepping on the necks of "Arabs", you should encourage black business in urban communities. But i guess the assumption is that if said business was black owned they would put money back into the hood, while they pay more in taxes for the mansion in the suburbs.

RiPPa said...

@La♥audiobooks: So rather than worry about reciprocity, since they have better resources and networks than black folks. Isn't it a good idea to form alliances and learn from them since we're so pathetically fucked up that we cant solve our own somehow exclusive issues?

Do we also not fuck with white folks? Have we become our own worst enemy by internalized oppression?

Well said...

And are you telling me that black women in no way have benefitted from the work of the Civil Rights movement or the black church???


Are you telling me that the Civil Rights movement in no way benefited from the work of black women? There would be no black church or Civil Rights movement without black women. Yet, who ever acknowledges that ? Why are black women so absent from top leadership positions in the black church ?

Zaida said...

Rippa: The bulk of the uneducated Arabs in the US become miidle class on the backs of African American by owning stores in the hood.
They don't give back a dime to the black community.
The dumb belief that they are black and we should help them a la Kid is preposterous.
They are not helping us.These are the things that black men and women should be looking into rather than going blindly into the night supporting people who do not support us.
As soon as the Arabs become middle class, they send their children to Ivy League colleges, they becoming high paid professionals(doctors,engineers... ) and that generation joins the upper class in less than no time.

But black people have no sense, it is always about "they(Whitey) will come for us tomorrow if they take on the Muslisms now.
Look, they are always coming after black people, open up your eyes.
Then we have fools like ex convicts Muslism and their supporters who want to sidestep us in defending mosque by telling us that foreign born Muslims are black people.
For the last time, this moqsque is not our problem and has nothing to do with black people.

kid said...

Zaida said...
Kid: Once again, you are a fool. Let me guess,you are an exconvict, crack head, recent convert to Islam.
This is why the immigrant Muslims stay far away from your type and are only interested in whites and latinos converting to Islam.
I have no idea what you are saying?
Who is Larry Johnson and what are PUMA checks, Prison Planet. Stay with the topic please.

____________________________

First what if I was any of those things that you said? Then I deserve to be fucked with like the guy that "looked" Muslim?You straight sound like no_slappz or another of the bigots.



Second, a lot of fake feminist come here and attack anything but the racist that are attacking our community.Everyone here knows what a PUMA or Alex Jones check is.

maria next time don't let your name link to a white supremacy site, troll.

Zaida said...

Kid: Everyone knows what?
You need to go back to prison, where you are needed most. You are a waste of space.

uptownsteve said...

"Are you telling me that the Civil Rights movement in no way benefited from the work of black women? There would be no black church or Civil Rights movement without black women. Yet, who ever acknowledges that ? Why are black women so absent from top leadership positions in the black church"

Strawman argument.

Nobody ever disputed that.

La*Audio's argumnent was that black women all rush to assist and support black men but never get any assistance in return.

It's bull$hit.

Now the lack of black women in leadership positions in civil rights organizations and churches is an entirely different subject and you know it.

While we're on the "bashing" subject.

Can you point to one black male blog devoted solely to the demonization of black women as WAOD for instance is devoted to attacking black men?

I'm all ears.

kid said...

Zaida why are you changing the subject? You know why , because I hit a nerve.So do you pick up you check at Prison Planet ran by Alex Jones just like Alicia?

The sockputtery is getting pretty bad over here.

I know where your mind is at. People go on Fox and say who they want to kill or boycott and you don't seem concerned. Yea buddy Glenn Beck is about to put some brothers in the oven and Alveda King is opening the door.Watch Fox for a day and learn who your enemy is.Your enemy is everyone Fox say is your friend.

RiPPa said...

@Zaida: What Arab has prevented anyone black from opening businesses in communities of color?

See, the problem with black folks - which is emblematic of 400yrs of oppression - is that the first thing we worry about is whats in the next niggas pockets.

We see Arabs and other minority groups as the new niggas, who are an obvious threat to our entitled nigga asses.

Like the author of this blog, I'm black, and also an immigrant born in another country. And to be honest, I hear this black exclusivity bullshit talk al the time. Niggas find comfort in looking down on other minority groups because the white man has beaten that game into our heads.

It's unfortunate when we as black people fail to see it. We wanna be accepted as Americans so bad we hyphenated that shit. But then at the same time we're an exclusive but non-monolithic group?

Sorry, cant have it both ways.

And again, this is about the constitution. But like i said before, maybe black folks should be sensitive to the feelings and needs of racist white folks and keep our mouths shut.

I wonder what Malcolm X who is pictured on this blog would think about the very thoughts you continue to express.

kid said...

uptownsteve said...
While we're on the "bashing" subject.

Can you point to one black male blog devoted solely to the demonization of black women as WAOD for instance is devoted to attacking black men?

I'm all ears.
_________________________________

I can but all of those "Brothers" are Conservatives. You should see how they bashed the First Lady during her Spanish trip.

uptownsteve said...

kid,

The Black COONservatives websites blast ALL blacks who aren't bootlickin Republican minstrels.

Is their a black male equivalent of WAOD?

kid said...

I don't think so uptownsteve

La♥audiobooks said...

"@La♥audiobooks: So rather than worry about reciprocity, since they have better resources and networks than black folks. Isn't it a good idea to form alliances and learn from them since we're so pathetically fucked up that we cant solve our own somehow exclusive issues?'


Rippa, will they allow us to form alliances with them so that we can uplift ourselves? Again, uplift ourselves and compete with them? And why can't we solve our problems and "exclusive" issues on our own? Is it because we are busy expending energy on other people's exclusive issues perhaps? Based on your premise, it would seem everyone should help each other. Perhaps that is the problem, no one else is helping us solve our issues and concerns? Reciprocation my dear, it works wonders.

Rippa said "@Zaida: What Arab has prevented anyone black from opening businesses in communities of color?"

Since we will go there. What "Arab", Asian, non-black Latin/Hispanic or other non-black minority community would allow and support multiple black owned businesses in their communities? None. And while we are at it (don't get me confused with those extremist anti-Mosque folk) what Jewish or non-black Muslim community in America would even allow a "black" Baptist church or "black community center" in the midst of their communities? Take your time.

"See, the problem with black folks - which is emblematic of 400yrs of oppression - is that the first thing we worry about is whats in the next niggas pockets."

True. That's why it seems some of us rather give our money as well as our "time" and "support" to others. Not one is better than the other, we end up the same place.
"Niggas find comfort in looking down on other minority groups because the white man has beaten that game into our heads."

Blacks in America are not the only "minority" group that has the handle on this. Every minority group in America is trying to climb the racial totem. However, black people always seem content being at the bottom. Others feel content with blacks being at the bottom also, they have that in agreement with each for sure. People keep talking about the "white man" oppressing blacks, one oppressor always replaces another. Today its the "white man" tomorrow it will be____. There is no kumbaya alias and "one love" unity for black people regarding other minority groups in America, wake up. My words doesn't sound pretty, I don't agree with the ideal, but it is the reality.

I think Zaida, Well and myself are just trying to be practical.


Steve, I can name multiple websites and clubs operated by black men who oppress and degrade black women on a daily basis. Stop embarrassing yourself. You need to get over WOAD.

uptownsteve said...

"Steve, I can name multiple websites and clubs operated by black men who oppress and degrade black women on a daily basis."

Then name one and provide an example of their bw bashing.

I bet you don't.

"Stop embarrassing yourself."

I'm not embarassed.

"You need to get over WOAD."

On the contrarry I will bring them up everytime angry unfulifilled sisters like you yap about how brothers abandon and disrespect black women.

WAOD is living breathing example of the total hypocrisy of you black feminists who actually feel righteous in your hatred and resentment of black men.

La♥audiobooks said...

"WAOD is living breathing example of the total hypocrisy of you black feminists who actually feel righteous in your hatred and resentment of black men."

In that case, no slappz and ilk can argue the same about you and other black males who expose the oppression and discrimination you receive from "the white man". Hypocrisy surrounds us all.

Hathor said...

How will Black people be able to help ourselves if there isn't any framework to work within. Would we be waiting on the "kindness of strangers" to bestow us enough rights that we could live our lives.

If there were no equal protection laws that were constitutional, we couldn't even get a permit to operate a business or assemble.

Living in the US isn't a tit for tat existence, every gain Black folk have gotten is because we had a basic legal system. We did not have enough people to win a revolution like Haiti. A civil war between Blacks and whites would have decimated our numbers in the US.

So are we to give up the rule of law, because those people don't care about us, their religion is different, it doesn't concern us? Then it appears that we justify every wrongly convicted Black person, discrimination and apartheid, because the constitution means nothing to us.

Anonymous said...

Field, Granny, 360+5, TA, Kid, and all other Blacks who are busy looking out for the Muslims and the mosques of Islam--when you could be looking out for your own race-- the Muslims truly appreciate your self-sacrifice and time, but will not reciprocate. As a matter of fact, has any group reciprocated for your dumb black asses? I didn't think so.

BTW, the Mexicans also appreciate your self-sacrifice even they are probably see you as fools, also.

Field, you ought to quit calling other Blacks 'HN' when you are indeed one yourself. You ought to be concerned about the high % of Blacks without jobs, education for black children, street pirates that are terrorizing the black community, and that sorry so-called White (In)Justice System that you work for mon-fri... instead of posting stuff about whether some Islamic mosque is going to be built at Ground Zero.
FYI, that is irrelevant for the suffering black person..there are bigger fish to fry in the Black Community. You are very much like Obama...disconnected. Is there any wonder why his approval ratings are in a nose dive?

Your priorities are truly fucked up. Btw, have you EVER heard of Islam standing up for Blacks or America?

As far as calling me a HN, you should look in the mirror. Because you are truly THE MODEL HN.

uptownsteve said...

La*A

"In that case, no slappz and ilk can argue the same about you and other black males who expose the oppression and discrimination you receive from "the white man""

More bullsquat from you.

I challenge you or anyone else to produce any "oppression" talk from me.

Or any examples of oppression/victimization talk from FN.

Take all the time you need.

While you're at it you can name those bm equivalents of WAOD.

Anonymous said...

Uptown Uncle is just a waste of time... please ignore it.

Anonymous said...

Kid, your comments to Zaida, LAA, and maria sound like you are having a bad high. Are you high? Because you make no sense and you are reacting like you are crazy. You have always been a little crazy but you are way over the top today.

Zaida, I am surprised you are trying to even have a conversation with this nut.

Anonymous said...

UTS, you are a sorry disgusting shell of a man. Your condescending shit remarks to LAA is uncalled for, fool. Do you know, or have you ever talked to bw with respect? Your wife must have had shock treatment that failed terribly before she married your abusive sick ass.

hennasplace said...

It's important to protect the rights of others because you are also protecting your rights as well. And who said that black people couldn't be bigots. Bigotry comes from fear of the unknow and anger. The only individuals who deserve anger are those who blew up those planes on September 11, and average Muslim has done nothing but live his or her life and is a good citizen does deserve my anger. Yet we want to make the suffer for something that is not their fault. That like me dating a guy named Mike who turned out to be a bastard and from that moment on I swear not to another guy name Mike. That is irrational, and the controversary is nothing more than distraction as the mid-term election fast approach us because it's the Republicans who are driving. Let's scare the hell out everyone by using September 11 and filled them with anger to divert their attention from the fact that we have not done anything. It works every time.

Anonymous said...

Rippa, "See, the problem with black folks - which is emblematic of 400yrs of oppression - is that the first thing we worry about is whats in the next niggas pockets.

We see Arabs and other minority groups as the new niggas, who are an obvious threat to our entitled nigga asses.

Like the author of this blog, I'm black, and also an immigrant born in another country. And to be honest, I hear this black exclusivity bullshit talk al the time. Niggas find comfort in looking down on other minority groups because the white man has beaten that game into our heads."

Your claim that Blacks look down on others indicates a lack of insight and a narrow view of Blacks in America. You have pigeon holed us American Blacks in the wrong hole, Mr. Rippa.

Incidentally, your comments indicate that you love to use the 'N-word' more than Dr. Laura does. Is that an example of the 'exclusivity bullshit talk' you mentioned in your comment?

YOU use that filthy wretched inhumane word freely-and quite often. Maybe YOU look down on Blacks everytime you self-righteously use that word? (which is quite frequently). Does saying it make you feel better, and more 'aligned' with being American?

If you truly believe Blacks should not look down on others and respect other groups, shouldn't you do the same?... why not drop that filthy wretched inhumane N-word? Be reasonable, and become respectful of Blacks instead of showing your contempt for them. You only disprove what you are trying to prove.

Rottnkid said...

What's "WOAD"? Just curious.

Rottnkid said...

I meant WAOD.

uptownsteve said...

RK

"What About Our Daughters", a blogspot run by a black female attorney from Austin, TX.

I won't comment any further on it.

Go check it out for yourself and then come back and give us your assessment.

LACoincidental said...

Honestly, we're talking about this so-called 'WTC Mosque' nonsense? Its simple -- the Muslim leaders who bought the land have the right to build anything they want under the 1st Amendment and New York state law. Its a community center -- churches build them all the time.


This is a distraction to scare stupid (mostly white) people into voting for the GOP -- instead of noticing that it was the GOP that got us into this economic mess and have been the main one blocking anything that could fix it. And yes, if anyone outside of New York City is concerned about a Islamic community center being built, they are absolutely stupid and fearful.

Unfortunately, Americans have proven to be ill-informed and foolish. Hence, this obvious race-baiting is working, even on Black folks who should know better.

no_slappz said...

la audiobooks, you wrote:

What "Arab", Asian, non-black Latin/Hispanic or other non-black minority community would allow and support multiple black owned businesses in their communities? None.

First, inasmuch as there are so few "black-owned" businesses, what gives you the idea the existing black-owned businesses need to expand outside their traditional markets and neighborhoods?

Second, almost every -- I can think of NO exceptions -- black-owned business is focused on serving black customers. Hence, the idea of expanding into other minority communities makes no sense.

Here in NY City there is Carver Bank. It presents itself as a black bank. The incompetent CEO is a black woman and most of the employees are black.

Interestingly, the bank's ads seem to suggest the bank discriminates against non-black customers. But nobody complains.

Meanwhile, most of the branches are in black neighborhoods and one or two are in malls that are in commercial areas. The headquarters office is on 125th St in Harlem.

And while we are at it (don't get me confused with those extremist anti-Mosque folk) what Jewish or non-black Muslim community in America would even allow a "black" Baptist church or "black community center" in the midst of their communities? Take your time.

News flash -- every house of worship attempts to position itself as close as possible to its worshippers. Walking distance, if possible.

However, if you want an example of an area that contradicts your assertion, come to Brooklyn.

You can find temples, mosques and churches beside each other. I can even give you an example of a temple that shares its space with a black baptist church.

La♥audiobooks said...

"Go check it out for yourself and then come back and give us your assessment.""

Steve, years ago I used to read that blog, and I have my own bones to pick. However, in all fairness, the only black males who get "bashed" or "hated on" on that blog are black males who rape, exploit or abuse black women and girls in some obvious way. Why would that make you so defensive?

Black women and black mothers also get their due process on that blog as well (more than black men). You just don't like any website or organization that presents a hint of uplifting for black females. Period.

no_slappz said...

la coincidental, you wrote:

the Muslim leaders who bought the land have the right to build anything they want...

Obviously you have NEVER bought a piece of land and planned to build or rebuild on that property.

You CANNOT build "anything you want" on any piece of land, especially in NY City. Zoning laws trump the First Amendment because the First Amendment has no connection to the approval of land use and construction plans.

In theory, there's no reason a mosque -- and it will be a mosque -- cannot be built on the contested NYC site. However, there are some sticky questions about the ownership of this property. The despicable developers own part of it. But not all of it. The owner of the other section has to agree to the mosque and there is no guarantee of that.

Its a community center -- churches build them all the time.

This "community center" concept is amusing. I've read about a pool and a gym.

Okay, about the pool? Are men and muslim women both going to enter the pool at the same time while wearing conventional western bathing suits?

Will the "community center" admit anyone? Will the proposed $100 million community center charge a membership fee? Or will it be free to all?

Will non-muslims be permitted to enter it? If yes and fees are charged, will non-muslims pay a fee different than muslims?

Have muslims ever before built a "community center" in America?

Where will the $100 million to build this "community center" come from?

The only obvious source of that much money is theocratic muslim governments that are the definition of anti-Americanism.

no_slappz said...

hennasplace, you wrote:

Bigotry comes from fear of the unknow and anger.

Fear of the unknown? Yeah, well, that's one reason the dislike for islam is NOT bigotry. The history of islam is WELL KNOWN. Moreover, the beliefs and practices of islam are the definition of bigotry.

But, it appear you and all those here who are determined to defend islam are willing to overlook the FACT the islam forbids Democracy, Equality, Plurality, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech and virtually every principle in our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Why any American would support an ideology with the demonstrated goal of removing our Constitutional rights is beyond me.

What is the appeal of islam? I'd like to know.

LACoincidental said...

No_slappz, please stop talking, because you seem to get dumber and dumber everyday.

The NYC Zoning board and Building commission didn't have a problem with this place to begin with, its only right wing numbskulls like you who watched a few too many episodes of '24'.

Seeing as this is Muslim organization, they'll probably have men/women swimming pools. So what? Again, freedom of religion, look it up.

And yes, churches build community centers all the time -- ala YMCA. I should know because I served on the board of a Church-owned community center.

Again, please stop advertising your stupidity -- you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

La♥audiobooks said...
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La♥audiobooks said...

No splappz, racist greedy "white" Jews like you and Frank would never allow any black oriented church or business to set up or profit on your block - unless there was something in it for you, not even for rent. First of all you control or have some form of connection to most of the banks who reject and squeeze black people who would be so inclined to open up said businesses.

If an already financially set black business owner tries to set up shop on your block, people like you make phone calls in the background to block them from getting that mortgage, lease or that license. You are not fooling anyone.

Please do not provoke me, I am not one to sugar down my words.

There is no reason for me to argue with you, I've realized the senseless banter you perform on this blog with the others is a form of juvenile masturbation for you. I already made my point. You are a plant and therefore should not be taken seriously.

Zaida said...

No- Slappz:
If non-black businesses can expand into black communities then black businesses by all means should want to expand in other communities too.
You mentioned Carver Bank.
I will mention Banco Popular,a bank owned by Puerto Ricans; many of its clients and investors are of diffrent ethnic groups and not only Puerto Ricans.
It behooves me to think that black business owners should only stick with their own racial group when others are doing busienss with eveyboidy else.
Money has only one color and it speaks many languages because it is multifaceted based on its value.
Everytime black women disagree with certain narrow minded black men, we are supposed to be the worst thing out.

I have no time defending anyone,not even of my race if they are duty bound to defend those who will not defend me.
I am nobody's soldier but representor and defensor of my own interest.
I have no permanent alliance with any particular group because my main concern is always based on issues that pertained or impact on me.
Let the other folks defend thair interests. If they are lucky to get simple minded Kneegrows who cannot understand what Reciprocity is all about , to sit at the gate to defend them, good for them, but count me out.

Iam too busy getting mine and protecting my interests and forming alliances with those who represent my interests.

360+5 said...

Zaida said...
"Kid, You sound like a victim.All I am saying is let the other Muslism solve this issue. This is not a black problem."

C'mon now! This is simple. As blacks, our position is this society is not that solid, is not that firm.

We're expendable--socially and politically.

Any denial of civil rights to any ethnic, religious, or racial group in this society impacts blacks directly.

If whites deny Muslims today, it'll be blacks tomorrow.

If any group is denied, we're all denied.

Anonymous said...

Hathor said:

"but you can not fly it upon any US State Building"

As it relates to the Confederate flag.

Huh? Been to Atlanta?

LA why are you trying to have a logical convo with UTS? Why? He has met and married a poor soul that truly believes his philosophy for black women...take what you can get.

So, she did and married down in the process.

Just ignore him. You KNOW damaged males hate to be ignored. THAT will get his goat. And don't feel bad because you MOST DEFINITELY won't miss out on anything other than DENIAL and FOOLISHNESS.

You are right about racist slappy boy. He likes to frequent blogs with Black hosts and see how many folks he can get riled up. He, too, should be ignored. Though sometimes, like most stopped clocks, he happens to be right on some things. UTS is too damaged to show or know the time at all. HE is a TOTAL waste of space and source of hot putrid foulness if you try to take his emissions in. Don't do it. Save yourself.

And anyone that did not reside in the land of DENIAL could youtube and see ALL TYPES OF UTS' fellow damaged malefolk talking madcap craziness about Black Women.

There are many blogs on blogger alone dedicated to the same subject. I would link them but eh...Why would I do that? See at ALL TIMES I am mindful of what is in MY best interest. Even on a taunt, I won't act AGAINST my best interest(s). Plus, I long ago realized that much of UTS' ignorance is WILLFUL. LOL!

You know, UTS could be mad at Black Women also because his wife outearns him and carries his testicles in his purse. He visits FN to vent and take out his anger. LOL! That's another scenario/possibility...

360+5 said...

slap_happy said..."The history of islam is WELL KNOWN. Moreover, the beliefs and practices of islam are the definition of bigotry."

The history of whites is equally well known. The racist beliefs and practices of white Christians are the definition of bigotry. We sample that bigotry daily from your racist rants.

"But, it appear you and all those here who are determined to defend islam are willing to overlook the FACT the islam forbids Democracy, Equality, Plurality, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech and virtually every principle in our Constitution and Bill of Rights."

You mean all those wonderful principles that were denied blacks for so many years? Are those the ones you're speaking of? And now when it comes to "freedom of religion" for Muslims, you now wish to deny them constitutionally-protected rights. And now you want us to support you, and the Constitution by trashing it because you believe your enemy will use it against you.

Have you forgotten? You've made blacks in this country your enemy as well. Today it's Muslims. Tomorrow it'll be blacks that are out of favor with the white ruling class.

"Why any American would support an ideology with the demonstrated goal of removing our Constitutional rights is beyond me."

Hell we're doing what your freedom loving ass should be doing.

Protecting our rights from you, not Muslims. You will suspend the constitution in order to defend the constitution. You neither love the constitution or freedom-loving blacks. At this moment in time we serve your need if we oppose the building of this Center. When that need is satisfied, we'll again be relegated to second-class citizenship.

You want us second-class citizens to support your first-class privileges by trashing the one document that guarantees our freedom, even if we have to fight for it in your courts, because it's only guaranteed to that extent.

"What is the appeal of islam? I'd like to know."

Islam has no appeal, but freedom does. That document was intended to preserve the freedoms of all, regardless of country of origin, or religious practice, or belief.

I fear you more than I do Muslims.

Why?

Because blacks seemingly love the U.S. Constitution more than you, and 70% of scared whites in this country, and trust it more than you to protect our rights and preserve our freedoms.

La♥audiobooks said...

"If whites deny Muslims today, it'll be blacks tomorrow."

When did they ever stop denying blacks? I didn't get that memo.

I'm done.

I'll remember your statement the next time black people like you complain about black males being riddled with bullets by racist cops because he looked suspicious, or when another black female finds herself in Shirley Sherrod or Mitrice Richardson's unfortunate situation. Why do some black people always have to act like they owe other people something.

La♥audiobooks said...

Anony 6:34, you make my day all the time. LOL.

btx3 said...

BTW Field - What's the deal with the Blogger Tax there in Philly?

http://citypaper.net/articles/2010/08/19/blogging-business-privilege-tax-philadelphia

Zaida said...

If black's position is not solid, whose fault is it?
It is simply because blacks spend too much time on irrelevant issues.

It is the foolish black people, duty bound to share and give their wealth and energy with everyone under the sun, while degrading black women and not taking the time to protect the interests of black children and the working tax paying black community.
Let the other groups fight for their civil rights.
Didn't black people have to fight for theirs.
Black men want black women to define the white man as enemy #1. Whitey is not my enemy.
We live in a world were we fight to protect our interests.
Yes, whitey is the devil,while at the same time, black wealth is bleeding daily out of the community into Whitey's hands in all areas.
If Whitey is the enemy why do black people hand over black wealth to him and to everybody else ?
But whenever a black person speaks the truth, he is an Uncle Tom and a Tea Bagger.
I am not interested in Teabaggers because they do not represent me. Every other group keeps their wealth.
Even the undocumented Mexicans keep their wealth in their communities and also send money back to Mexico. Where does black wealth goes? This is simple Economics 101.

Anonymous said...

in HER purse.

uptownsteve said...

LA*A

"Steve, years ago I used to read that blog, and I have my own bones to pick. However, in all fairness, the only black males who get "bashed" or "hated on" on that blog are black males who rape, exploit or abuse black women and girls in some obvious way. Why would that make you so defensive?"

Nonsense.

Much in the same vein that you and FP depict black men as rapacious, irresponsible beasts, WAOD is site which not perpetuates those stereotypes but encourages black women to reject black men, attacks black institutions and either ignores or makes excuses for white racists and abusers of black women.

They were virtually silent on the Megan Williams case.

Where were they with the Shirley Sherrod incident?

Don Imus?

But Ms. McCauley made sure to go after D. J. Hughely (an asshole for sure.

No comment on the black woman who drowned her kids in South Carolina.

It's all about a lack of consistency, gross hypocrisy and a blatant anti-black male agenda.

It's obvious.

Anonymous said...

Zaida-

UTS doesn't think Black folks have any problems. So your point will always be lost.

Anyone suggesting that Black Men kill EACH OTHER and their women in addition to pooping on their children in alarming rates merely "hates black men". See? His focus is on the middle class that is shrinking as I type. LOL!

Please throw UTS in the same pile with the cussing goat that needs to grow up. Label that pile "IGNORE".

3:40 AM 360+5- The last time I checked "azz" was not a word. So much for rolling in the gutter... And no, I have addressed the drackman clown before. I notice that the only time others do is when he is taking shots at other things. When it is Black Women...nothing. I am well within my right to address it. If you have extra keystrokes, maybe you could? If not, continue to STFU on the topic and I will continue to stand/speak as I see fit. You will not silence me. Mmmmkay? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

LAC, "Unfortunately, Americans have proven to be ill-informed and foolish. Hence, this obvious race-baiting is working, even on Black folks who should know better."

There is no race-baiting as far as I am concerned, and I am Black. I don't feel a mosque should be built at Ground Zero, period. It is an offense to those who lost love ones there and by extension, it is an offense to the majority of Americans(70%). It this had happened to Blacks and they had wanted to ignore the deaths of Blacks, you can bet there would be an outcry so loud from Blacks that aliens in the next galaxy would hear it.

So LAC, you can imagine, presuppose, accuse and conclude all you want, no one is going to change their minds because YOU think YOU have the right answer. No one gives a shit what you think, esp a black person.

Anonymous said...

"You only help people if you get something in return, that's called being selfish."

Uh no. That's called being SMART. And it is the collective refusal of Black folks in practicing this that PREVENTS folks from associating Black with smart.

For the Black Obamaholics, you got WHAT in exchange for your Obama votes? Oh that's right, he told white folks that racism was not in your head and promised you change. LOL!

uptownsteve said...

FP

"And anyone that did not reside in the land of DENIAL could youtube and see ALL TYPES OF UTS' fellow damaged malefolk talking madcap craziness about Black Women.

There are many blogs on blogger alone dedicated to the same subject. I would link them but eh...Why would I do that?"

Because you CAN'T.

It's all in your twisted mind.

You regard any black man who stands up to your foamy mouthed anger and bitterness as hating black women.

"You know, UTS could be mad at Black Women also because his wife outearns him and carries his testicles in his purse. He visits FN to vent and take out his anger."

I'm hardly angry at black women.

Indeed, outside of my sons, I can say that the people I love and cherish the most in this world are black women.

Your problem is that your dream is to dominate and emasculate a man to satisfy your bloated ego and sense of superiority.

In reality you can't even get a man to smile at your ugly, hateful ass.

Anonymous said...

no_slappz, "And while we are at it (don't get me confused with those extremist anti-Mosque folk) what Jewish or non-black Muslim community in America would even allow a "black" Baptist church or "black community center" in the midst of their communities? Take your time."

May I try to answer that, slappz? The answer is "NO". And being Black, it doesn't bother me in the least because I know Jews like you and non-black Muslims are some of the biggest racists on the planet.

Racists like you must think Blacks on this blog who are arguing for that mosque to be built near Ground Zero are idiots. I agree, they ARE truly dumb. I have no other way to describe those jiggin' HN.

I am totally AGAINST that mosque being built near Ground Zero for several reasons:

1.It is an insult, a slap in the face of America.

2. Having had experiences with non-Black Muslims, I know they "hate" Blacks, and would NOT lift a finger to protect the constitutional rights of Blacks. Never in the history of America have Arabs stood up for civil rights.

3.Islam IN AMERICA has NEVER expressed, nor indicated its sorrow about the 3500 deaths on 9/11. The reason is obvious..they are glad it happened.

4. Islam and Jihadist Muslims care more about themselves and their Mid-East Arab countries of origin than America. They have no commitment to America.

5. A Black person should NEVER count on FAIRNESS from a non-Black Muslim.

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:10.... it was LAA who ask that question, not slappz, but for what its worth I agree with you and LAA.

uptownsteve said...

FP

"UTS doesn't think Black folks have any problems. So your point will always be lost."

The "problems" you refer to are socio-economic problems mainly exhibited in the black underclass which admittedly is a disprortionate segment of our community.

They are not a consequence of merely being "black".

Will you, as a black person, own up to any particular negative habits or behavior that are caused by your race or culture?

Of course you won't.

"Anyone suggesting that Black Men kill EACH OTHER and their women in addition to pooping on their children in alarming rates merely "hates black men".

Total garbage.

First off, most violence is committed by and towards people who know each other and are of the same race.

And young unemployed men, regardless of race, are the primary purveyors of violence.

That is true throughout the world whether it be Moscow or Caracas (two cities with murder rates twice the size of any American city) or Baltimore.

" See? His focus is on the middle class that is shrinking as I type. LOL!"

Are you going to tell me that an educated, middle class black male is more likely to kill somebody than his white counterpart?

If you are, please provide some evidence?

Of course you WON'T.

"Please throw UTS in the same pile with the cussing goat that needs to grow up. Label that pile "IGNORE"."

Yeah I know.

Dealing with truth and a proud, indomitable black man who will boldly challenge and refute your sick self hating, self-serving bullshit is too much for you to handle.

360+5 said...

La♥audiobooks said...
"If whites deny Muslims today, it'll be blacks tomorrow."

When did they ever stop denying blacks? I didn't get that memo.

I'm done.
===================================

And you've made my point. Thanks. Don't think they'll stop with Muslims. They'll continue their "trail of tears" until no one stands in their way. Better to fight early, and not late. Take a stand now, while we can still stand, and have a place to stand. If we allow this to continue, tomorrow, not even the back of the bus will be ours.

And you know I'm right!

360+5 said...

Anon said..."3:40 AM 360+5- The last time I checked "azz" was not a word. So much for rolling in the gutter..."

In that case, neither is "nigga," a colloquial reference, but we all get it. Disguising it, doesn't make it go away.

"And no, I have addressed the drackman clown before. I notice that the only time others do is when he is taking shots at other things."

Then you stand your ground, but don't call others here names, if we choose to pass him by. You did a lump all you blacks together thing, which is what I objected to.

"When it is Black Women...nothing. I am well within my right to address it."

Address what you like. It's a pretty open blog. Drackman attacks black men and women, and he's not the only one.

"If you have extra keystrokes, maybe you could? If not, continue to STFU on the topic and I will continue to stand/speak as I see fit."

You see, there your go again, with the insults and the "shut the fuck up" reference, as though we don't all get it.

You're rude to the max.

"You will not silence me. Mmmmkay? Thanks."

Don't thank me. I'm not trying to silence you. And if you wish to continue to be rude, that's your right, too. But I think you can attack Drackman, or whomever you like, without attempting to use the occasion as an attack against all blacks who post here. Make him your personal crusade. You're doing just fine. You don't need help.

Anonymous said...

I am against the Cordoba mosque,it was totally insensitive an stupid, and I also agree 100 percent with LaAudio, people of the middle eastern Muslim faith not care one bit about Black ppl and just as soon hurt Black ppl as white ppl in the US.
It is bull shit to say that "so many" Muslims got killed on 9/11.
Bullshit!!!
Wake up! that is a LIE. and it is just a way to hurt our President. I am sick and tired of this b.s.I am tired of being an American caught in the troubles of the Middle East. I don't want those problems, they cant solve them, how are we going to do that.

Anonymous said...

i won't come here or comment here any longer,
there is no point.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I have a question for everyone. Why is when a strong black woman who is straight-forward stands her ground in her beliefs, she is labeled bitter, beligient, mean, or any other negative adjective people can come up with and that is not only on here but that is even in the workplace?

While other women in other color groups who are strong, straight-forward, and who stand their ground too are regarded as forthright, courageous, and strong. I mean come on now.

Everyone on here that has been posting since I came here knows that I am not a feminist, and should know by now that I love all of my people, male and female, adults, teenagers, and children. So, that feminist label does not apply to me. Nevertheless, I love my black sistahs too and I might be older but I am a sistah too. That's why I'm asking y'all that question.

What is so different about black women from every other women in other color groups that they have to bear the burden of being labeled with negative adjectives while all other women in other color groups are lifted up and praised with positive adjectives?

Black women are not freaks of nature! We are women just like any other woman on this planet. We have the same physical anatomy, we have the same reproductive parts as all other women, we have the same wants and needs, etc.,and the only difference is the color of our skin.

Black men should not be putting black women down by calling them out their name, and joining in on the negative adjectives, nor should black women be doing black males like that either because we are suppose to have each other's back. We belong to the same color group family.

It was a black woman whose womb you came out of, and a black man who contributed his seed in order to make that possible. In the case of those that are interracial, either or applies to you too.

I'm sorry but I have to speak up for Laaudio because she is one of my black sistahs. And she is not mean or bitter or any of those negative adjectives. She just happens to be a highly intelligent, strong black woman who is very straight-forward, and stands her ground for what she believes in.

AB and MeandMicroscope are two other strong black woman and they too are my black sistahs. Those two have endured men calling them the "B" word and other vulgar negative words. Neither of them are weak, nor are they the "B" word. They've stood their ground on whatever it is they believe in and stood their ground against those vulgar name calling attacks too. Facts of business some of the vulgar names they've been called on here have been way over the top and out of line.

And I'll just be honest with y'all, if a man was to call me out of my name in person, when I got through with him, he'd be trying to nominate for Surgeon General. Of course he'd have to write that nomination down on paper, because he would be minus a tongue. No Lawdy, I don't play that because my parents named me at birth and the "B" word does not appear anywhere on my birth certificate, nor does it appear on any of the women on here birth certificate.

UptownSteve is a strong, intelligent brotha who stands his ground in his beliefs. No man likes it when a woman challenges their manhood and UptownSteve is no different from any other strong black man or man period in that aspect.

On the other hand, no woman likes it when a black man or any man calls them out of their name if they have any type of self-esteem about themselves.

Anonymous said...

The abbreviations find YOU filling in the blanks. IF the blanks are cuss word YOU did it! Amd STILL I say, you do you and I will do me. IF your only voice is to silence me, you may STFU...shut the front door... shut your mouth... move the F around... you are barking at the WRONG ONE...NOW BEAT IT!


And still I ask, have YOU spoken up when the nasty Jew goes in on Black Women? IF NOT...move around. You DON'T rate my attention. Got it? I don't give a darn about the rest of your self righteous spew. Save it! MMMKay?!

That is my attempt at nice. I can show you "gutter". Ok? Azzhole.

Anonymous said...

La YOU make MY day!

And all the other pests (UTS and Co.) get RAID! POOF! Be gone!

LOL!

The Purple Cow said...

[quote:I assumed that the money was flowing in the other directions, as when American Irish Catholics gave money to IRA bag men.[/quote]

Former Republican Leader of the House Tip O'Neil was the I.R.A.'s leading fund raiser in America. So the Republicans are perfectly happy to fund terrorists providing they are Christian and white skinned.

Anonymous said...

e Purple Cow said...
[quote:I assumed that the money was flowing in the other directions, as when American Irish Catholics gave money to IRA bag men.[/quote]

"Former Republican Leader of the House Tip O'Neil was the I.R.A.'s leading fund raiser in America. So the Republicans are perfectly happy to fund terrorists providing they are Christian and white skinned."

Hey dumbass, Tip O'Neil was the Democrat Speaker of the House. Please confine your comments to those topics which you may actually know something about, if there are any. Your bigotry and ignorance are appalling.

Bread Maker said...

We celebrate thanksgiving, which was the mass murder of Natives with a lil smallpox in their blankets, by watching the Redskins play the Cowboys, there are at least 3 southern states with confederare emblems on them with no regard to their black popluations opinion, and 5 white kids beat a mexican in Pennsylvania only to be aquitted on CincoDe Mayo. It seems to me that the muslims are only following the American patriotic tradtion of utter insensitivity. Go Islam!!!