Thursday, May 20, 2010

Rand Paul has a bad hair cut and some interesting thoughts.


One of the beautiful things about a democracy is that everyone has a chance to express his or her political views and beliefs, and to be chosen by like minded people to lead them. I would like to apologize to the teabaggers and the rest of the wingnuts who have been pushing hard for a seat at the A-merry-can political table over the past few months. Here I thought you folks were bad for A-merry-ca and that you would dumb down debate and poison the intellectual well. I was wrong. You gave us Rand Paul, who, I am sure, is going to make some folks uncomfortable with his views on civil rights and Title II of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. But we needed Rand, if only because maybe, just maybe, he will shed some light on a movement that might not like the glare.

Here is an exchange between the good Doctor and Rachel Maddow on her show, recently:

"Maddow: Do you think that a private business has a right to say that 'We don't serve black people?'
Paul: I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I would never belong to any club that excluded anybody for race. We still do have private clubs in America that can discriminate based on race."

`Oh come on Field, what's wrong with that? The guy takes a position that any decent A-merry-can would take. `

Yes, but then he said this:

"Maddow:... How about desegregating lunch counters?

Paul: Well what it gets into then is if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not privately owned, then do you say that you should have the right to bring your gun into a restaurant even though the owner of the restaurant says 'well no, we don't want to have guns in here' the bar says 'we don't want to have guns in here because people might drink and start fighting and shoot each-other.' Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant? Or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates but not a very practical discussion..."

Hmmmm, "philosophical debate". OK let's have one: So following your logic, Doctor; If a private person owns a movie theater (a public place, just like a restaurant) and decides that the colored folks should sit in the balcony and the white folks downstairs, that would be cool with you? See folks, Dr. Paul believes that private business should be allowed to do whatever they want when it comes to whatever. He has stated this before which is what prompted Maddow to ask him these questions.

The good Doctor believes that a truly free society will allow people to discriminate against whoever, and the free market will decide whether that person's business should prosper or not. Like many other conservatives and wingnuts, he doesn't believe that the Commerce Clause (which applies to interstate commerce) should have been used by the the advocates of civil rights to do away with segregation in public places. The ruling in this case pretty much said that A-merry-cans could go ahead and use the Commerce Clause to stop segregation in public places, but that is not cool with Dr. Paul and his ilk. Stunning!

For the record, I have no problem with folks doing whatever with their own private clubs and organizations. If they want to keep out blacks, Gays and Jews, they can go for it as far as I am concerned. But I think that doing away with the Commerce Clause as it relates to civil rights would be wrong. I don't see anywhere to hold on to on that slope. It's just way too slippery.

So sorry Doc, I have to agree with the following quote taken from Crooks & Liars:

"Obviously, the tea party adulation, in all its authoritarian and uncritical glory, did not prepare Rand Paul for prime time. He's clearly uncomfortable with follow up questions and being confronted with his own stances. Even though he brought it on himself by telling the Louisville Courier-Journal and NPR that he thought the Civil Rights Act should be done away with, Paul whines about "red herrings" and that the act is forty years old, so why is anyone asking him about it?"


Yes, but Rand is just the first. I am sure that there will be many more like him to come.




105 comments:

Constructive Feedback said...

And just think.

I just finished my own post on the matter.

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2010/05/rachel-maddow-queues-up-rand-paul-those.html

A VALUE JUDGMENT must ultimately be made on the CHUM that we eat.

trickster206 said...

CF - I got the video~ This is your spot?

Anonymous said...

Look at who his daddy is and, this comes as no shock as icky old Ron Paul has spewed the same hate, nor the fact that MILLIONS of whites, and of course the entire GOP, others would if they could post the "no blacks allowed."

And, what kind of creepy name is Rand? About was odd as Quintesha.

Black folks, you hear "states rights" and you best get out the vote on election day or the Rand "what kind of dopey name is that" Paul's will be in office.

field negro said...

Destructive Wingnut, let me guess, you co-sign witn old Rand, 100%

Right?

LACoincidental said...

Ah, Constructive Feedback, you can always be accounted for to protect the right wing mindset that the government has no authority to advocate for the rights of its citizens to engage in commerce.

So, CF, since you're obviously college educated, I've got a few questions for you?

Did you attend a predominantly white college or a HBCU?
Did you pay for school via a school loan or a grant?
Do you own your own business? If so, did you get a loan for that?
Do you work for an organization predominantly ran by Caucasians?
Do you have a mortgage?

Now, in answering those questions and knowing history -- tell me exactly how you could any of those things without the Civil Rights Bill? The answer, you couldn't. Most of those of those acts of standard, day-to-day commerce were de facto prohibited for Black people.


Anyway, this is to all the so-called Black Radicals who see Ron Paul, Rand Paul or other libertarians as some sort of third way Messiah.....please think twice about supporting politicians who would second guess or brush the Civil Rights bill so cavalierly.

Thrasher said...

This is why I am an original thinker 'instead of worrying about losers like rand paul I prefer to focus on developing and discovering great people who make losers like rand paul irrevelant..

This requires a paradigm shift in thinking of course and I am not sure that level of thought is present on this site...I know for a fact to many people think like rand paul and to many others worry about rand paul...

I have my own column of people of course which I noted earlier who think like me..

Trapped in SC said...

Are you serious, Constructive F. Wingnut?

While i'm no economic libertarian or free-market fanatic, but this is hardly on the money. The South's Jim Crow laws --de jure segregation -- were enacted and enforced precisely to prevent African-Americans from taking part in the market; otherwise the color of one's skin, over time, would have come to matter less than the color of money.

As for Rand Paul, it's been amusing if repulsive to watch him hem, haw, jive, and evade to keep from saying on camera what he obviously believes: that property rights are so sacrosanct that they justify racial discrimination at the discretion of a racist business or property owner. His contortions and backflips reveal him as the politician-as-usual that he is.

It's not that he's wrong, it just that's he so breathtakingly fucking wrong.

The Tea Party movement, to paraphrase Brad Pitt in the movie Se7en is "a t-shirt, a movie of the week, at best."

They are the same guys, the same 20% base of the Republican Party for the most part, that are made up of racist, sexist homophobic losers who desperately want the 1950's back because they can't or don't want to compete in today's world without some sort of unearned advantage that doesn't mean what it used to.

I wonder would Rand Paul's position if a soul-food restaurant suddenly decided that it would only serve blacks. Would he use the interstate commerce clause of the U.S. Constitution to support what the restaurant was doing, or would he listen to his fellow tea partiers who say that discriminating against WHITE people was illegal for a private business, therefore undercutting his own stated opinions?

I wonder.

Anonymous said...

A strict libertarian would demand open borders also. This is wonderful cannon fodder for democrats.

szpork

Anonymous said...

But at least he's ok with marrying Ru Paul ... lol. what would you think they'd name the kids?

Milton, Clarence?

field negro said...

Trapped, this is why I love you. You throw in a quote from "7" in your post.:)

"Now, in answering those questions and knowing history -- tell me exactly how you could any of those things without the Civil Rights Bill? The answer, you couldn't. Most of those of those acts of standard, day-to-day commerce were de facto prohibited for Black people."


LACoincidental, there you go clouding the debate with facts again. Pesky thing those facts.

LACoincidental said...

@ szpork, good point.
@ Trapped in SC -- you're right. Rand Paul (gee I wonder where he got that name) is a chip off the old Objective block as his ultra-right wing father. I don't think he's a racist, but like Ron Paul, Rand simply does not view the protection of other people's civil and human rights rise to the level to the protection of personal property or so-called individual freedoms. In Rand Paul's world -- the Klan has every right to protest and harass Black church goers, so long as they don't bomb the church. Of course, this is the Klan, and the heckling is just a precursor to physical violence. But to libertarians, since it doesn't affect their individual freedoms, they don't care. Scary indeed.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Now, in answering those questions and knowing history -- tell me exactly how you could any of those things without the Civil Rights Bill? The answer, you couldn't. Most of those of those acts of standard, day-to-day commerce were de facto prohibited for Black people.
[/quote]

LAC King:

Once again - you practice "If a lie is repeated enough it can become the truth among the unenlightened".

Why do you tell me about life w/o the CRB when Rand Paul NEVER SAID THAT HE WOULD REPEAL IT?

You and other leftists are far better at raining INDICTMENTS than you are in noting the IRONY.

1) After putting favorable people in our public schools - we DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BLACK KIDS matriculating to White colleges OR HBCUs

2) See #1

3) In the former employment center cities of this nation (Trenton NJ) those who had corporations as their ENEMIES have FAILED to create an environment where unemployment rates are low because there are abundant "CONSUMERS OF LABOR".

4) I work for a public corporation. The fact that I see more BROWN SKINNED PEOPLE who are Paki/Indian in the professional services entity that I work for shows that something other than MELANIN BASED discrimination is going on

5) In certain distinguishable areas around the metro areas the HOME VALUES of certain "least of these" people have PLUMMETED adding to the $95,000 that WHITE FOLKS have in wealth over Black folks


You see LAC King - you and other Racism Chasers to date have not been made to face the COST OF YOUR ANTICS. You allow yourself to be masturbated into excitement over HYPOTHETICALS rather than noting how you have been DISTRACTED FROM WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING to develop a higher rate of COMPETENCY within your community!!!

Trapped in SC said...

LAC,

On the one hand, his position is nicely consistent. Government shouldn't interfere with private property. If he had some political savvy, he might, as some suggest, temper his statements the way liberals often talk about abortion: keep it legal, but stop the need for it. So, he could say: "People should have the right to exclude someone from their property for any reason, but we should work to educate people so they don't do it because of race, etc." You might disagree with this position, but it is at least defensible. His blanket statements like the one on Maddow lends to the idea that not only should people be allowed to exclude based on race, but that he's a-ok with that. That's a problem.

The other problem, of course, is the historical and legal one. We had the civil rights act and other acts like it to counter long-standing racism and sexism in the country. Further, because he's a doctor and not a lawyer, he's probably completely unfamiliar with the legal construct that the courts have for evaluating racial preferences from say age issues (like kids in retirement communities). We allow retirees to prevent kids from moving in next door because there isn't a shortage of non-age restricted hoses and because there isn't a history of denying housing to the young.

So, Paul is trying to push a very pure Libertarian viewpoint. In some ways I admire him. But, I don't think he's sophisticated enough to make the nuanced policy exceptions that he really needs to make. So, we're left to speculate whether that is because he's blind to the issue, or if he really likes a society where segregation on private property is acceptable.

RiPPa said...

The part that got me was when he said that he would have more than likely marched with Martin Luther King Jr. back in the day.

In the immortal words of great orator Ronald Reagan, "NIGGER PLEASE!" OK, so that might not be an exact quote, but you see whumsayin', right? He should be chopped in the throat for insulting our intelligence.

How the hell you gonna say you would've voted with Barry Goldwater, but march with King.

But on a serious note, I'm trying to figure if the current political climate has upped the ante on his level of dont-give-a-fuckness. Surely he cannot be this politically naive, right?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]The South's Jim Crow laws --de jure segregation -- were enacted and enforced precisely to prevent African-Americans from taking part in the market; otherwise the color of one's skin, over time, would have come to matter less than the color of money.[/quote]

Low & Country:

I am struggling to figure out how you were motivated to make this commentary based upon anything that I said.

Did I ever say that Jim Crow was "designed to HELP Black people"?

Here is what I don't understand about you and LAC King:

For some strange reason these theoretical conversations about the past......oh yeah ....and the threat that a conservative MIGHT get elected and bring back Jim Crow IS A BIGGER THREAT to you than that which a simple look upon the array that is before you TO-DAMNED-DAY.

I am not sure what part of SC you live in but I have extended family on the Western border (Rock Hill) and the Atlantic Coast (Kingstree). BOTH areas are like Peyton Places. The evil racist GOP isn't in the top 5 list of THREATS keeping the people from prospering.

* High School dropout rates
* Unwed Pregnancy
* Crime issues

THESE POINTS do more to steal "transferrible wealth" than anything that Conservatives can do.

LACoincidental said...

CF, I'm the son of former sharecroppers -- i.e. I know the history of Jim Crow because my parents lived through it and drilled hits history into my head since I could crawl. My father's hometown is 30 minutes from the imfamous Greensboro, NC. But I digress.

You're putting a rather silly set of straw men. Were you a member of the Objective Group at Yale?

Also, hate the burst your bubble but the reason why the inner city fails is de-industrialization in city centers, not desegregation. There are plenty of small all white towns in Middle America that look no better than Trenton or Newark.

Now since you go to the whole 'model minority' stuff let me ask you a question -- are most of your Pakistani ('Paki' to a Pakistani is like calling one of Nigger, FYI) co-wokers on HB-1 visas. Then, there's the free market libertarianism right there -- you have most SE Asian colleagues because companies can pay them less and legally rip them off. It has nothing to do with 'Black people not being smart enough'.

Let me explain to you how our immigration policy towards the East skewers the so-called 'bell curve'. We specifically filter out the smartest in our visa process.

If you only let in super smart, hardworking people from Asia and Africa into your country, chances are their kids are going to be super smarty and hard working. The Indian equivalent of 'cousin Pookie' or 'street pirates' aren't getting into the States legally.

However, African Americans are already here and Latino come through a porous border -- hence you have a more realistic intellectual spread.

Again CF, if you're so smart, view an problem as a system of issues and not simply a singular issue.

agape2010 said...

@ Trapped:

"...losers who desperately want the 1950's back because they can't or don't want to compete in today's world without some sort of unearned advantage that doesn't mean what it used to."

oops! There it is!!! :)

Peace.
~agape2010~

NSangoma said...

~
I just knew that that jack-ass/off, CF, ConservativeFucked-up, would defend that white boi, Rand Paul, by attacking Black people.

If he did not do it here, he would do it at Bookerrising.
`

LACoincidental said...

Sorry, CF, I meant to say:

"You seem fairly, smart, try to view a problem as a system of issues and not simply a singular issue"

NSangoma said...

~
I just knew that that jack-ass/off, CF, ConservativeFucked-up, would defend that white boi, Rand Paul, by attacking Black people.

If he did not do it here, he would do it at Bookerrising.
`

field negro said...

LACoincidental, do you see why I don't even bother with the Destructive Wingnut anymore? It's pointless.

Please don't tell him about those poor rust belt towns or the ones in middle A-merry-ca, they can't be bad, they don't have street pirates. The guy has an army of straw men always ready to go.

"You see LAC King - you and other Racism Chasers to date have not been made to face the COST OF YOUR ANTICS. You allow yourself to be masturbated into excitement over HYPOTHETICALS rather than noting how you have been DISTRACTED FROM WHAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING to develop a higher rate of COMPETENCY within your community!!!"

We are trying, which is more than we can say for your party.

And they are only "HYPOTHETICALS" because we have not allowed your peeps to take control of all of our institutions. If they did,I am afraid, that we would be talking about more than just "HYPOTHETICALS".

Trapped in SC said...

Here is what I don't understand about you.

It's not enough to take a contrarian view that might actually have some merit and gain some support in the black community. Like fully prosecuting so-called "street pirates" or making sure that SOME blacks, the ones that actually are a pox on houses, get the comeuppance that they deserve.

Instead, when a white person says or does something that is racist, You defend it.

When a black person does something extraordinary, we don't hear any commentary from you.

If a "liberal" has a thought that under any degree of rigor or scrtiny is proved to be correct, you point out the GOP talking point de jour.

You don't have answers, man. Not that we are looking to you for them, but you never even have an IDEA.

There is a reason that blacks more readily identify themselves with the democratic party and to a lesser extent, the liberal wing of the democratic party. They actually went to bat for people when we really needed them. That's why most older black people in the south TO-DAMNED-DAY, still have pictures of JFK, RFK AND MLK in their living rooms. Those very three men are DEAD so that you can have the "freedom" to tell black folks that they are inferior because of their own devices, while euphemistically calling it "Constructive Feedback".

You're a conservative. Show us the error of our ways. Show us why we should put faith and credence in a movement that will sacrifice the the poor, the sick, the ignorant, and disenfranchised for the sake of what you call "liberty" which isn't really meant for people like me.

Why can't a conservative say that they are for equal rights for ALL people without sucking the dick of the private sector?

I'm waiting for the weaksauce that is your response.

Constructive Feedback said...

NSignificant - Mr Paul can defend his own self. I merely suggested that Kneegrows like YOU need to decide to eat the chum from the past or make note of the PRESENT where the "Mission Accomplished" signs are hanging.

[quote]
CF, I'm the son of former sharecroppers
My father's hometown is 30 minutes from the imfamous Greensboro, NC[/quote]

Your family needs to drive West to Charlotte or east to Durham and TELL THE YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY ABOUT "JIM CROW" because many of them are living an "I DON'T GIVE A WHAT" life - terrorizing their own communities.

[quote]
Also, hate the burst your bubble but the reason why the inner city fails is de-industrialization in city centers, not desegregation.
[/quote]

Did you read where I said anything else?
Now tell me WHY the corporate enemies departed? Oh wait - you were slamming corporations the other day. You might be able to get elected in these places.

[quote]
There are plenty of small all white towns in Middle America that look no better than Trenton or Newark.[/quote]
Just like I said in the other message thread.

[quote]
you have most SE Asian colleagues because companies can pay them less and legally rip them off. It has nothing to do with 'Black people not being smart enough'.
[/quote]

AHHHHH NO!!!
These are well paid CONSULTANTS.
They are attractive because they are subject matter experts in the specific field that I am speaking of.

[quote]
Let me explain to you how our immigration policy towards the East skewers the so-called 'bell curve'. We specifically filter out the smartest in our visa process.[/quote]

You say the "smartest people" huh?
Let's take a walk down to Georgia Tech and see the present make up of "dumb Indians and Pakistanis" that are giving WHITE FOLKS a run for their money population wise


[quote]If you only let in super smart, hardworking people from Asia and Africa into your country, chances are their kids are going to be super smarty and hard working.

Is this why children of African and Caribbean immigrants are approaching 50% of the "Blacks" at Ivy League schools?
http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/black-immigrants-overrepresented-at-ivy-league-schools/

[quote]
Again CF, if you're so smart, view an problem as a system of issues and not simply a singular issue.
[/quote]
I AM VIEWING IT "SYSTEMATICALLY"!!

You just don't like me pointing out how the SYSTEMATIC GROWTH IN POWER of the Progressive Establishment over our INSTITUTIONS has not translated into the benefits that were promised.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]We are trying, which is more than we can say for your party.
[/quote]

MY PARTY is the "Community Cultural Consciousness and Competency Development Party".

In as much as you are talking about the REPUBLICAN party that you seek to out me with - it is highly perverted that YOU seek to point out that THEY ARE NOT TRYING.......as a worse indictment than the fact that:

WE ARE NOW LIVING IN THE "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" / "SOLUTION" period that you and other operatives have sold us upon.

Seriously Filled Negro - what is it a bigger problem with you and Steve that the "GOP doesn't try to work for the Black vote" than you appear to be troubled that the DEMOCRATS GET IT and yet you still are grieving about the same things, despite struggling for so long?

If this was a pill - you got sold a placebo with sugar coating.

RiPPa said...

@CF: C'mon man, that's just too many damn Cs in the name of your party. The CCCCDP? Dude you're one "C" and a "D" away from being communist!

Nah but real talk...

who tha hell gonna vote for that shit?

BTW: Drop me your email - I'd like to send you a formal invitation to a show I'm doing this weekend on crime and the black community. I'd live to see if you speak differently than you type. Just hoping to make sense of it...

RiPPa said...

@Field: If you free on Sunday night we have a few Attorneys ( two from NYC)sitting in on the discussion of crime and the black community. I'd love to have you on, bro.

Revolutionary-in-the-making said...

His name Rand for logic's sake. He represents the Tea bagger party. The hell do you expect to come out his mouth?

LACoincidental said...


Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]If you only let in super smart, hardworking people from Asia and Africa into your country, chances are their kids are going to be super smarty and hard working.

Is this why children of African and Caribbean immigrants are approaching 50% of the "Blacks" at Ivy League schools?
http://newsone.com/nation/news-one-staff/black-immigrants-overrepresented-at-ivy-league-schools/

[quote]


Funny how you try to counterpoint my argument but then prove it. That's exactly what I'm saying. Having been one of the only native born AA's in my Ivy and having friends who research the subject, that's exactly what happens.

Most of the Caribbean and African kids in the Ivies or other elite schools aren't yardies in the slums or, like one of my boys who just graduated from Albert Einstein Med, chasing antelope with a spear for the village meal.

No, most of these kids in the Ivy were either the children of wealth (i.e. the underpants bomber is part of the Nigerian elite, the son of a banker) or second generation Caribbean children of educated, middle class parents. So when taking all facts into account, its only logical that the educated children of educated middle class parents would go to elite schools.

The rude boys with the slick backs and Coogi outfits or the thick mommas dancing in the Pasa Pasa videos probably aren't going to Harvard. Its their rich cousins in the cities who went to elite British schools or moved to the States.

FN, you're right, this is like talking to a brick wall.

There's nothing magical about it.

Justice58 said...

The part that got me was when he said that he would have more than likely marched with Martin Luther King Jr. back in the day.

In the immortal words of great orator Ronald Reagan, "NIGGER PLEASE!" OK, so that might not be an exact quote, but you see whumsayin', right? He should be chopped in the throat for insulting our intelligence.




What Rippa said!

Anonymous said...

The Crooks and Liar's quote is tautological.

Black Diaspora said...

Trapped in SC said...

"On the one hand, his position is nicely consistent. Government shouldn't interfere with private property."

First, I like much of what you've said. But I'm mulling over your statement/Paul's position I've highlighted above for consideration.

Here's what I came up with: Paul says, government shouldn't interfere with private property, and he bases that on the preservation of First Amendment rights?

We know, all too well, that the government does interfere, and interfere often.

Businesses are licensed. Some businesses have on-going inspections, and are fined, or driven out of business, if they fail to comply.

Governments tax businesses--and we know, they often give certain businesses incentives or subsidies, if they're a business the government would like to see preserved.

The government, further, may restrict a business to a certain zone, or to a certain kind of business, depending on the zone.

The government can force a recall if a business sells a defectively unsafe product, and can penalize a business (monetary fine), if they fail to notify the government, and those who bought the defective product, in a timely manner.

The list goes on, as well you know.

Here's the issue, and conundrum for me--it's the distinction between public and private.

Let's say that your neighbor opens a Mom and Pop grocery store. He wants to open it to the public, but he wishes, at the same time, to keep it private, that is, reserve the right to determine who gets through the doors, and who doesn't.

On the one hand he's inviting all, but on the other he's imposing exceptions--perhaps blacks, Asians, Gays, Latinos, or what have you.

I contend that he can't have it both ways: public and private.

Were he to invite those he wished in (that's private--members only), but as soon as he says he's a public establishment, all bets are off, and he shouldn't be allowed to squash public expectations (to purchase food stuffs, for example) by imposing private standards.

Constructive Feedback said...

[QUOTE]who tha hell gonna vote for that shit?[/QUOTE]

RiPPa:

If I create a "commemorative plate" and "cool t-shirts" to tap into people's emotions I bet you I could get support.

I told you that there is no VOTING as this is not a POLITICAL PARTY.

This "party" resides in the "Cultural" and "Community" are. The two places suffering from Benign Neglect as people like you have us focused on salvation though POLITICS.

[QUOTE]BTW: Drop me your email - I'd like to send you a formal invitation to a show I'm doing this weekend on crime and the black community. I'd live to see if you speak differently than you type. Just hoping to make sense of it...[/quote]

With all due respect RiPPa - and I like you man - I AM LESS CONCERNED ABOUT you itemizing for me WHAT YOU ARE DOING to address CRIME IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY than you answering the question IS IT WORKING AND IT IS COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH TO NORMALIZE THE STATISTICS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY?

I would love for you to get the cellphone # for 10 Street Pirates and then TEXT THEM the details of what you have done to address crime as you CHALLENGE THEM to top you.

What characteristic do I HAVE that you are motivated to challenge me in a way that you wouldn't think of asking them?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Funny how you try to counterpoint my argument but then prove it. That's exactly what I'm saying. Having been one of the only native born AA's in my Ivy and having friends who research the subject, that's exactly what happens.
[/quote]

LAC King:

Notice that in your attempt to RETAIN your grievance based ideology you refocus the make up of Blacks in the Ivy League from an issue of SKIN COLOR over to the INCOME/PEDIGREE held by those from Africa/Caribbean. This merely is done to discount their accomplishment.

First of all I personally DON'T bow down to the "Ivy League". If you were more true to your form YOU would not buy into this ELITIST lair. Instead of worrying about getting more "Least of these Blacks" into their front doors so that they TOO can link up into the ELITIST NETWORK that has benefit to them in the employment market........................you would GO AROUND THESE SCHOOLS and make sure that these EMPLOYERS don't DISCRIMINATE IN FAVOR OF IVY LEAGUE GRADUATES.

I beg you to tell me how THIS would not be more consistent with the typical drive of the Progressive?


The truth is, LAC, YOU and other Progressives are deeply ingrained in this system of CAPITALISM and ELITISM. Doing what I suggest above would be like the Wall Street inside trader demanding EXTERNAL REGULATION.

I am married to a Caribbean girl. I am able to notate the value for education that she instills in my children - all without being a multimillionaire.

YOU want to make it all a matter of monetary privilege and then go on a money chase. In as much as certain reference behaviors and EXPECTATIONS are transferable to all takers in accepting this notion you would be forced to switching from a "permanent EXTERNAL struggle" over to the INTERNAL management of all human resources who desire to prosper.

Anonymous said...

do black hebrew israelites have a right to exclude white people from their church services and restaurants in atlanta?

does the NOI have a right?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Businesses are licensed. Some businesses have on-going inspections, and are fined, or driven out of business, if they fail to comply.

Governments tax businesses--and we know, they often give certain businesses incentives or subsidies, if they're a business the government would like to see preserved.

The government, further, may restrict a business to a certain zone, or to a certain kind of business, depending on the zone.

[/quote]

Black Disaspora - you are too much.

A business providing food service to the public is subjected to food safety laws REGARDLESS of the form of ownership they have - Private Sole Proprietor, Partnership or Publicly Traded

Again - you and Rand Paul are having two different conversations. Much of it being HIS FAULT for failing to distinguish between a public accommodation that provides public service and the OWNERSHIP question.

Black Diaspora I live in the "Strip Club Capital Of The USA". When consenting adults want to get together to form a SWINGERS CLUB and have sex with each other inside of the club they get around the normal sanctions that would be applied to a PUBLIC BUSINESS (ie: an Asian Spa that gives out 'happy endings') by setting up as a PRIVATE CLUB with MEMBERSHIP requirements.

With this PRIVATE membership the PoPo are prevented from raiding these places. These are consenting adults who gather together under one roof and do as they please. They can't serve alcohol so its BYOB.

LET ME ASK YOU BLACK DIASPORA - Do you support these CONSENTING adults being protected from government incursion to do as they please in their PRIVATE club as long as no assaults or child exploitation takes place?

What about a PRIVATE SUPPER CLUB that allows SMOKING AT THE TABLE because this is what its MEMBERS WANT?

Rand Paul stepped upon the third rail of RACE in America in the use of his PRIVATE OWNERSHIP question. These other "no harm, no foul among consenting adults" scenarios would have had even RACHEL MADDOW agreeing with him.

Arneader said...

The Republicans little celebration party with Rand didn't last long.

field negro said...

*scratching head, still trying to figure out what the Destructive Wingnut's position is."

Let's try again: Is it cool to discriminate based on race in a public place of business or not?

It's a simple yes or not question.
I will wait for your answer.....

Anonymous said...

Wow, this blog has produced some very good dialogues, even if some of the points of views are misguided. You should not be surprised by the comments of a neo-confederate like Rand Paul who has a firm belief in the resurrection of the CSA. This would explain the political cross-pollination between neo-Confederate organizations, teabaggers, and the conservative party.

maria said...

he said it was yesterday. i posted rand's rachel maddow interview. he said i should be running a lunch counter.

yes, it all makes sense, but just in that special way CF (and laurel) have.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Let's try again: Is it cool to discriminate based on race in a public place of business or not? [/quote]

NO. There should be NO RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN SERVICE at a PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION.

Serious question Filled Negro:

As you edited the Murder Count in your "Right Hand Hall Of Shame" from 104 to 105.......WHY was it that you felt that the mere words of Rand Paul were more of a threat to your community than what a man named Brent Dixon did in the Olney section of Philly?

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20100521_Cops_arrest_man_linked_to_killing_of_bar_owner.html

I am trying to understand your line of thinking. That's all.

Whereas every word said by "Tea Party people" have an express entry upon your blog......there seems to be little that a murderous street pirate can do get on your blog. Instead his antics are plugged into your formula:

(Old Murder Count) + 1 = New Murder Count


[quote]You should not be surprised by the comments of a neo-confederate like Rand Paul who has a firm belief in the resurrection of the CSA.

Anon #75:

Let me ask you this - Why does Rand Paul need to lobby for the reincarnation of the Confederate States of America when you have the STREET PIRATES serving as the "Red Shirt Rifle Clubs" that terrorized the Black community right after the defeat of the CSA?

http://1898wilmington.com/RedShirtsAHistory.shtml

alicia banks said...

ditto fn

individual ignorance always trumps any other affiliation...politricks included

labels are for cans
and dems and repubs are for blind distracted fools

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/the-fall-of-the-republic---obamas-fleecings-continue.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

uptownsteve said...

"Did you read where I said anything else?"

You say everyday that that the inner city fails due to incompetent black leadership!!!!


"Now tell me WHY the corporate enemies departed?"

Changing economies, shrinking profits, dramatic improvements in technology which eliminated low skill labor, cheaper foriegn products, global trade and a variety of other factors.

The question is not corporations leaving because if that was the case why didn't they just move to some corporate friendly rightwing community?

This is about the deindustrialization of urban America.

Suzan said...

Sorry to be getting to this so late, Field, but I saw exactly what you saw and felt the same way.

Sheesh!

This guy obviously doesn't get out much. Or maybe he's kept on a leash just so he'll remain pure.

And bringing up the Commerce Clause was the heighth of the hilarity surrounding this Maddow skit.

But, hell, he's only a doctor - not a lawyer. What med school let him in again?

I'm joking around but I began wondering if Liberty U. had a med school.

Love your work!

S
_________

LACoincidental said...

First of all I personally DON'T bow down to the "Ivy League". If you were more true to your form YOU would not buy into this ELITIST lair
You don't buy into elitism? Dude, your form of conservatism is all about elitism. Libertarianism locks in elite power.

Instead of worrying about getting more "Least of these Blacks" into their front doors so that they TOO can link up into the ELITIST NETWORK that has benefit to them in the employment market........................you would GO AROUND THESE SCHOOLS and make sure that these EMPLOYERS don't DISCRIMINATE IN FAVOR OF IVY LEAGUE GRADUATES.

Hmmm....so we shouldn't try to get deserving poor Black kids into the best schools? Aha. Instead, we should tell little Jamal with the 3.9 GPA and dreams of being a Latin professor to go to LA City College just to show those elitist snobs what for? That's just asinine.

And what makes you think I don't advocate for working class Black folks? If anything, I've work to get bio tech training for inner city folks in the past, as well as marched with the SEIU for better wages.



The truth is, LAC, YOU and other Progressives are deeply ingrained in this system of CAPITALISM and ELITISM. Doing what I suggest above would be like the Wall Street inside trader demanding EXTERNAL REGULATION.


Never said I hate capitalism or wasn't entrenched in the system. Like I've said, pure Socialism nor pure Capitalism are magic bullets -- they can't solve all human suffering or inequality. Both systems have inherent flaws.

If anything, I support regulated capitalism with a strong social safety net, you know, like most civilized countries. You should read up sometime and think before you speak.

I am married to a Caribbean girl. I am able to notate the value for education that she instills in my children - all without being a multimillionaire.

OK, she didn't live in a mansion or jet set to Nice every summer. But was your wife living in a mud hut on the cliffs of the Jamaica Blue mountains? Was she born in a shanty town. Or making mud grain pies in Port-au-Prince? Probably not.

I mean no offense to your wife, I'm simply making a point -- your wife's family was probably educated and middle class, therefore she is too. And chances are, so will your children.

Oh, and please stop the nonsense that native born Blacks don't instill love of education into their children. No offense to my Caribbean fns, that whole "American Blacks don't care about education meme" that I hear so often from recent immigrants is utter nonsense. That's like saying that all Mexicans are illiterate drug mules.

Cocoa_Goddess said...

Watching Rand Paul shoot his political career in the ass is about the funniest thing I've ever seen.

Anonymous said...

Rand is basically stating the Libertarian position. I'd hardly call him representative of the tea baggers; his position of foreign policy issues is way outside the Republican mainstream. Hell, Paul's far more liberal on the military industrial complex and foreign wars than Obama ever will be.

Thrasher said...

I think it makes sense to worry more about the electorate the elected Rand Paul than Rand...Clearly these people create more peril on a dialy basis than a crazy wingnut like Rand Paul..

I want my community to be focused on creating and developing leadership that can disarm lunatics like Rand Paul rather than being obessed with him..


My focus is always on the majority who at this moment are under duress and can make life for Black Americans surreal if they prevail

LACoincidental said...

Cocoa_Goddess said...

Watching Rand Paul shoot his political career in the ass is about the funniest thing I've ever seen.


Cocoa_Goddess, you might be right, people might get a good whiff of the crazy from this cat and slowly back away.

But the bigger problem is if a callous worshiper of 'Fountainhead' ever gets into office. The Tea Party folks, unlike progressives, support their own. The only way to stop Rand this fall is to mount a major offensive in Kentucky.

uptownsteve said...

"Oh, and please stop the nonsense that native born Blacks don't instill love of education into their children. No offense to my Caribbean fns, that whole "American Blacks don't care about education meme" that I hear so often from recent immigrants is utter nonsense."

It's a pile of shit.

I grew up in NYC and as many of my contemporaries had parents and grandparents from the Carribean as those of us whose parents and or grandparents were from the American South.

The success levels were indistinugishbale between the two groups.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Hmmm....so we shouldn't try to get deserving poor Black kids into the best schools?[/quote]

Best schools.......for WHAT PURPOSE?

Do you think that a Ivy League grad facing $150,000 in debt is going to think that a middle management job that pays $60,000 per year is WORTHY of his talents?

Interestingly enough a good friend of mine who is a graduate of the Southern University Law School noted that Southern and Howard are better schools for those who seek to practice trial law. They focus on practical execution while the Ivy League focuses on THEORY.

Laurel said...

Field wrote:

"Let's try again: Is it cool to discriminate based on race in a public place of business or not?

It's a simple yes or not question.
I will wait for your answer....."


NO!

In fact its Illegal to Discriminate against someone in a Place of Public Accommodation.

Individuals who believe that a Place of Public Accommodation has violated Title II may file their own lawsuit in Federal Court.

In addition, you may have some rights under other federal laws, state laws, or local ordinances and should consult with your local or state civil rights enforcement agency.


Definition:

A Public Accommodation is a private entity that owns, operates, leases, or leases to, a place of public accommodation.

Ex: Places of Public Accommodation include a wide range of entities, such as restaurants, hotels, theaters, doctors' offices, pharmacies, retail stores, museums, libraries, parks, private schools, and day care centers.


"What do Washington's Politicians and Pro Wrestlers have in common?... They're mostly overweight White guys pretending to hurt each other".

Unknown Author

LACoincidental said...

Best schools.......for WHAT PURPOSE?

Do you think that a Ivy League grad facing $150,000 in debt is going to think that a middle management job that pays $60,000 per year is WORTHY of his talents?


Would you prefer the kid ends up with $70K of debt from ITT tech and get an entry level job that may only pay $40K? First of all, studies have shown that for minorities, an Ivy League degree pays on off. Its an invest. And CF, seeing as many students have even higher debts going to some 3rd tier schools, its kind of wash.

Interestingly enough a good friend of mine who is a graduate of the Southern University Law School noted that Southern and Howard are better schools for those who seek to practice trial law. They focus on practical execution while the Ivy League focuses on THEORY.

Fair enough, my girlfriend went to Southwestern Law in Los Angeles, which really prepared for her work in public interest litegations.

But it also depends on what you want to do in the Law. If you want politics or to study the theory of law, go to one of the big boys like Harvard, Yale or Stanford. If you just want to practice law, any law school would do.

maria said...

CF--if you think an ivy league school only costs $150k for four years--never mind graduate school, often expected and required--you're sorely misinformed.

and i'm not sure how much YOU think someone makes right about of college--regardless of what school they want to--but $60k ain't nothing to sneeze at!

and LAC, i saw that about his island "girl", and what also struck me was the sexism. also, unsaid is what CF is able to "notate" into his kids (what kind of use of this verb is that, btw?)

Thrasher said...

Some of the most backward people in the world are educated with graduate credentials...Here in michigan which is becoming a 3rd world enclave 98% of the state legislators have degrees and the majority of those working for GM, Chrysler, Ford as well and these clowns almost destroyed the automotive industry in America...

Sorry but I have never been impressed with educated people the majority lack common sense and the metrics show poor and uneducated people actually pollute less and are wizards with small funds at end of the day..

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]First of all, studies have shown that for minorities, an Ivy League degree pays on off.[/quote]

LAC King:

You bring me to my primary indictment of the Civil Rights Industrial Complex.

If we evaluate the population of MINORITY STUDENTS at the IVY League schools (and other top rated - Berkeley, Univ of Mich) and then computer this to the WIDE MIDDLE OF BLACK AMERICA you and they should be found guilty of MISAPPROPRIATION of the attention of Black America. This is about 30,000 students compared with more than 500,000. (estimates)

In as much as they are more inclined to grieve about ACCESS to these high end schools, providing benefit to a select few (with hopes that another Black president might be incubated) the WIDE MIDDLE of Black America suffers from benign neglect.

In as much as favorable forces now control the PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEMS where our people attend school - IF they were to focus upon EFFECTIVE HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT at this level with the goal of shifting EVERY BLACK STUDENT UP one standard deviation:

* There would be more Black students competing for admission in the elite Ivy schools thus increasing the population

* There would be more Black students going to the mid-level state schools

* There would be more students that would otherwise graduate HS and not going to college - GOING

* More who normally would drop out would obtain their high school diploma

The Civil Rights Progressive is prone to STRUGGLE against some oppressor rather than MANAGING what he has slipped up and gained control over.

I would take 200,000 new Black MIDDLE LEVEL MANAGERS spreading into the corporate work places over 1,000 IVY LEAGUE TRAINED prima donna going for broke in obtaining CEO and VP level assignments. The long term benefit of the former would be far more comprehensive and enduring.

Laurel said...

LACoincidental wrote:

"Would you prefer the kid ends up with $70K of debt from ITT tech and get an entry level job that may only pay $40K? First of all, studies have shown that for minorities, an Ivy League degree pays on off. Its an invest.

And CF, seeing as many students have even higher debts going to some 3rd tier schools, its kind of wash".

"But it also depends on what you want to do in the Law. If you want politics or to study the theory of law, go to one of the big boys like Harvard, Yale or Stanford.

If you just want to practice law, any law school would do".


LAC your absolutely correct!

Everyone knows that REAL money in the Legal Field is made in Civil Litigation cases and Research NOT Criminal Defense.

For example there's usually more White Law School grads practicing or specializing in Civil Litigation which uses the practice of Theory versus Minorities (mainly African-Americans) practicing Criminal Defense law.

It doesn't hurt to be flexible and dip into both Civil and Criminal but the BIG bucks can be found in Civil Litigation.

How many Johnny Cochrans are out there?

Very few

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]And what makes you think I don't advocate for working class Black folks? If anything, I've work to get bio tech training for inner city folks in the past, as well as marched with the SEIU for better wages.[/quote]

LAC King:

I struggle to understand where you get these "add on" commentaries that you craft but assign to ME.

I would love to see you help SEIU PROTEST for "better wages"...... in Detroit where many of the "Consumers of Labor" that they are used to PROTESTING against have departed.

NOW "Sellers of Labor" in Detroit, Trenton, St Louis, Milwaukee and Akron are looking for more entities who are around to PURCHASE the labor that they are offering onto the market.

Do you know of how to do anything more than PROTEST for a pay raise?

Throughout my career when I wanted more money I DEVELOPED A NEW SKILL and then often had to LEAVE the "Consumer of my services" when they did not want to pay me what I could document what I was worth".

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]And CF, seeing as many students have even higher debts going to some 3rd tier schools, its kind of wash".[/quote]

My new friend Laurel:

Why is it that when the COSTS of Health Care went spiraling up the providers were targeted for government regulation as a means of getting the costs down so people didn't have to "file for bankruptcy" in pursuit of care.

YET when it comes to college education which also has a growth rate in tuition that outpaces inflation - this same government seeks to THROW MORE GOVERNMENT MONEY to the service providers, without the lust to regulate or "strip the profits" out of the industry.

Do you care to guess why the gross discrepancy in reactions?

Surely an increasing number of people are being priced out of a university education these days.

Laurel said...

CF,

Its nothing new nor is it a secret.

The only way to Legally keep "too many" Minority students from attending Private & Ivy League schools is to keep increasing the Tuition rates.

LACoincidental said...


YET when it comes to college education which also has a growth rate in tuition that outpaces inflation - this same government seeks to THROW MORE GOVERNMENT MONEY to the service providers, without the lust to regulate or "strip the profits" out of the industry.


CF - there's really a simple answer to your query -- we have out or control education costs because we still have a market driven idiom for our higher education. We as a country decide that education so valuable that we'll force 18 year olds and their parents to mortgage their homes so little Sally can get a bachelors.


One good move the administration made was to move the federal student loans out of predominantly private hands.

Also, we gut most of our public universities because too many Americans bitch about taxes. Hence students have to take more loans to get an education -- even for state schools that used be virtually free.

I have 50K of loans outstanding from my alma mater -- no harm, my choice, it was a big name private school. But to have 50K in loans as an undergrad from UCLA, SUNY or UConn is just appalling.

You can't have a world class public education system on the cheap. Until we realize that, we'll continue to pay through the nose.

Black Diaspora said...

@CF: Black Diaspora - you are too much.

[Thank you. I think I'm pretty special, too. I'm glad you concur.]

"A business providing food service to the public is subjected to food safety laws REGARDLESS of the form of ownership they have - Private Sole Proprietor, Partnership or Publicly Traded...."

I know the distinctions. And I understand the level of Government intrusion upon the affairs of business, private or public.

And I understand that Government dictates which business is operating as which.

These aren't the issues. The issue is this: Should government exercise absolute control over a privately held business--one open to the public--going so far as to tell the proprietor who he must serve.

Rand sees the latter, as a First Amendment issue, not a public access issue.

"Again - you and Rand Paul are having two different conversations. Much of it being HIS FAULT for failing to distinguish between a public accommodation that provides public service and the OWNERSHIP question."

No, Paul and I are on the same page.

You're the one rewriting the book. Paul made no such distinctions, because he had no such distinctions in mind. It didn't matter to him in his absolute world.

He's states simply, if you own a business you should be able to do with it as you choose. Discriminate, if you choose. Keep out who you choose. Or permit in who you choose.

I pointed out that laws exists that already preempts this notion--"I can do whatever I choose with my business, whether it's public or private."

Stay on the same page, CF. I know it's hard, but you can do it.

"Rand Paul stepped upon the third rail of RACE in America in the use of his PRIVATE OWNERSHIP question. These other "no harm, no foul among consenting adults" scenarios would have had even RACHEL MADDOW agreeing with him."

As usual, you missed the point. Paul's position is a "philosophical" one, as he states, but, unfortunately, with practical, real world application (arbitrary separation of the races), which is why I wouldn't have voted for him, had I known his position in advance.

But, then, he's a Repub, a party which for me have a rather unsavory track record (I know he's a Libertarian, but that's like saying, he's a more extreme version of Republican.)

Paul stated: Where private ownership exists, the proprietor should be the sole determiner of who gets into his business.

Paul didn't equivocate. He didn't modify his position. He was an absolutist on private ownership.

My point: Paul's position is untenable in real world practice. Private ownership is not absolute--that ownership is still subject to laws and regulations.

Yet, in terms of who he allows onto his property, and into his public business, he wishes to call the shots, and not the government.

Paul wishes to apply a private standard to a public enterprise.

Paul choked on Title II of the 1964 Civil Rights' Act. He choked because he saw that provision having more to do with the First Amendment and "free speech," than with public access to private property.

Don't respond, CF. I already know your position, and that, somehow, you're going to take my argument, and analyze it using a prism we're all too familiar with.

Hathor said...

I have brought this issue up with libertarians before, without any response. Let take this to the level of employment, The stockholders or the individuals own a company, it is their private business, and they say that they do not want certain people to work there. The libertarian view is often they can do whatever unless it abridges someone else right. My question, does an individual have the right to work?
I have seen employers form a cartel and refuse to hire employee from any of the other companies. This was within a certain geographical area, where working outside would mean a 35 mile one way commute. Most of those employees were Asian immigrants. The cartel set a rate for these group. Is this violating their rights and is this a form of indentured service?

Thrasher said...

Why is it revelant to always seek out the obvious about white racism? As a Black person do I need another example, event, incident to recognize this diease?

I argue that the cultural dna of Black americans allows us to recognize racism and move on..

We must continue to evolve and not stay in the civil rights moment..The rand paul's of the world do not have any value to me in 2010 my people have conquer this beast and it is not just a part of our cultural achives..

Must we continue to travel in circles I perfer to chart other paths to navigate....

mellaneous said...

Field I was wondering if you were going to take this on. Its amazing that Rand Paul doesn't seem to understand what really underpins the Civil Rights Act and the need to open up all accomodations whether public or private.

And of course that is to end the second-class status of his fellow black citizens.

How does someone running for public office not get that or skip over it while trying to hold onto a purely libertarian position which he has not can't be obtained anyway.

Wow some of these guys are really living in some kind of alternate universe.

Speaking of I was watching some of the Texas School Board textbook debate and I heard one of the Board members repeat that revisionist lie that the Civil War was fought over States Rights and not slavery.

All of this is going somewhere and those who chose to ignore this do so at their own peril.

mellaneous said...

CF I really don't understand why the fight to advance the interests of all Black folks can't be a both and proposition.

I am saying this because you obviously believe you have something to offer the race or otherwise you would not spend so much time blogging and responding on this blog.

If that is the case you cannot continually duck the calls to see your party platform. If you pay attention you will notice that I don't always disagree with you. I am not a liberal so I think you make a good point when you expose black leadership that has failed to uplift the plight of black folks. But you always fail to highlight the real inhibitors of black progress and that is the monied class in each region or city.

I think you actually have a point on the education suggestion but how do we lift it up a notch?

Hathor said...

mellanous,
Even though there have been groups formed to keep these amendments out of the text book requirements, they probably can't be changed until the board is replaced and the next meeting occur in about 10 years. I think the only thing that could occur would be for the state legislature disband the board and have educators come in to review and create new requirements. In the mean time other school boards can only decide not use those text books.

It doesn't even faze these people that their own State college and university professors are saying these changes will ill prepare the students.

mellaneous said...

Hathor said:
"It doesn't even faze these people that their own State college and university professors are saying these changes will ill prepare the students."

good point Hathor, which is why this should concern folks of goodwill, going backwards will not help us to move forward.

Black Diaspora said...

Hathor said...
"I have brought this issue up with libertarians before, without any response."

I'm not surprised.

Libertarians, as with some conservatives, are absolutists, "principled" in their positions.

They take every social issue and pass it through their prism (their belief system) to see what comes out on the other side.

Many times, you won't get an answer.

As absolutists, their answers will often violate rationality, commonsense, tradition, or long-held standards of public discourse, and they'll be seen as foolish.

Very few absolute positions can hold up to broad scrutiny. Further, these positions aren't always universal in application.

If they are applied universally, we may get some rather bizarre, and monstrous outcomes.

You've heard the saying, don't bring a knife to a gun fight, well absolutists (adherents of certain self-avowed principles) oftentimes fail because they bring absolutism to a relative world.

Anonymous said...

Funny how a guy who will be a US Senator and opposes aspects of the Civil Rights Act gins up only 68 comments. But the crybabies turned out en masse to whine about their brown skin. Pathetic. Reminds me of the Last Poets. You countrybama negroes will know it's revolution because you'll be watching it on television with chicken hanging out of your mouths. Or pounding on your keyboard with chicken hanging out of your mouths. Trasher will have black food hanging out of his/her mouth. Still waiting for someone to tell me what the hell is black food.

Y'all are pathetic. And because subtlety is not anyone's strong suit here, I use the term revolution analogously. It would be a revolution if black people could focus on issues that actually affect people's lives like education, health care, housing, jobs. Instead you throw a pity party about your skin color.

mellaneous said...

Anon I had the same thoughts earlier. We have some real issues to face and we have to figure out ways to lay our differences aside to move forward. Its not skin shade differences that has the system piling on to our poorer brothers and sisters.

Ideas count, words count. Its not for nothing that all this extremely backward and anti-historical clap trap and revisionism is popping up.

While its not good to focus too much on what these ultra conservatives are up too it is foolish to ignore it in a country which has used our dark skin to advance its economic interests.

mellaneous said...

Have a good weekend Field and all. Agape you be good too!

LACoincidental said...


As absolutists, their answers will often violate rationality, commonsense, tradition, or long-held standards of public discourse, and they'll be seen as foolish.


And hence why Rand Paul is stuck flat footed in the media right now. And why activist (or as BP put it 'absolutists') make really ineffective politicians.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]CF I really don't understand why the fight to advance the interests of all Black folks can't be a both and proposition.[/quote]

Mellaneous - when ALLOWED to make the CHOICE between:

* Responding to a perceived SLIGHT by an ideological adversary

or

* HANDLING OUR BUSINESS INTERNALLY - not losing focus on stuff that is ultimately IRRELEVANT

It is all too clear which direction certain operatives will go.

I am ONLY suggesting that some sort of TRANSPARENT SYSTEM be put in place where there is some measure of PRIORITIZATION put in place.

Not saying that certain operate can't speak on what he wants to. Have free speech. What I am saying is that for a person who only hits upon 3 of the top 10 problems his CREDIBILITY should be degraded to the point where his is not seen as authoritative.


[quote]I am saying this because you obviously believe you have something to offer the race or otherwise you would not spend so much time blogging and responding on this blog.[/quote]

It is not "the race" but humanity that I am working with. Jesus Christ told me to go out and insure that all EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS are made to know that they are meant to strive to build themselves up into his form. The COMMUNITY will follow once someone takes a "group picture" that is full of individuals.

[quote]
If that is the case you cannot continually duck the calls to see your party platform.
[/quote]

Mellenous - I have given away my building blocks more clearly than anyone else on this blog:

* Safe Communities
* Quality Schools
* Thriving Local Economies
* Healthy Lifestyle Outcomes
* Comprehensive and Enduring Solutions
* Solutions that Organically Engage the HUMAN RESOURCES who seek such salvation, the exercise of the effort strengthening their muscles

With this platform what else is needed?

This is not a POLITICAL PARTY - this is a CULTURAL movement. This is a COMPETENCY DEVELOPMENT movement.

These ideas are "open sourced", free for others to take and integrate into their own consciousness.

Filled Negro and LAC and IseeIsee - can we "see your party platform"?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]But, then, he's a Repub, a party which for me have a rather unsavory track record (I know he's a Libertarian, but that's like saying, he's a more extreme version of Republican.)[/quote]

My dear friend Black Diaspora:

Why is it that to you while the "Republican Party has an "unsavory track record" and they house people like Paul who's THEORIES don't do so well once ROAD TESTED.....................yet as we look at the Party who hung up all of the "Mission Accomplished Signs" where Blacks and other "Least Of These People" now reside - the fact that there still is massive grievances going on in these places is, at least to YOU, not proof of their "Unsavory Track record" of the prescriptions they have offered.

INSTEAD the grievances mean that you and other Progressives must keep trying harder to support them because the struggle has not been won?

Seriously Black Diaspora - do you ever think to ask for some EARNEST MONEY along the way before sitting tight for the long ride?

field negro said...

"It is not "the race" but humanity that I am working with. Jesus Christ told me to go out and insure that all EQUAL HUMAN BEINGS are made to know that they are meant to strive to build themselves up into his form."

Do you have his number? I would love to talk to him as well. What does his voice sound like? Is it a "still soft voice" like everyone says? :)

"Filled Negro and LAC and IseeIsee - can we "see your party platform"?"

Nice try. I can't speak for the others, but I don't have a
party.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]We as a country decide that education so valuable that we'll force 18 year olds and their parents to mortgage their homes so little Sally can get a bachelors.[/quote]

So you'd rather have someone enhance their earning potential on the backs of other tax payers - many of whom have no college degree? Please explain that one.


[quote]One good move the administration made was to move the federal student loans out of predominantly private hands.[/quote]

This was more of a "swat at the banks" than any particular massive cost savings. The GOVERNMENT now must service the loans. A student that defaults STILL costs the government money. The SCHOOL from which the education was received walks away with the cash money. (psst - kinda like the Mortgage meltdown - ya think?)

[quote]Also, we gut most of our public universities because too many Americans bitch about taxes. Hence students have to take more loans to get an education -- even for state schools that used be virtually free.[/quote]

WOW. Why this passage is not viewed as the left wing version of Rand Paul I will never know.
"Virtual Free" must have meant that indeed SOMEONE WAS PAYING.


[quote]But to have 50K in loans as an undergrad from UCLA, SUNY or UConn is just appalling.[/quote]

Again - people who received health care and had $50,000 invoices left over prompted the GOVERNMENT to take on the "Invoice Generators". Why the difference here LAC?

[quote]
You can't have a world class public education system on the cheap. Until we realize that, we'll continue to pay through the nose.
[/quote]

So where is the money going LAC?
Do you have any particular intellectual curiosity on the matter?

What if alternative education distribution systems came about that were AS EFFECTIVE and less COSTLY - would YOU support "MORE COMPETITION IN EDUCATION" - including "The For-Profit Option"? We already have "The Public Option".

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Do you have his number? I would love to talk to him as well. What does his voice sound like? Is it a "still soft voice" like everyone says? :)[/quote]

My friend Filled Negro:

Given the two elements of my words:

1) The reference to Jesus

2) The reference to Equal Human Beings

What motivated you to respond to the "Jesus" element?

This will help me to understand your general selection methodology as you have two or more options staring you in the face. I am sure you are about to execute this selection process within the hour - as you field another post.

For example - Go here: http://www.philly.com/

Look right under the roller coaster picture. What about the 3 stories won't make your cut? Especially the one about the young "union member and city government worker" who got shot as he wore a police uniform in Upper Darby.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20100521_Upper_Darby_cop_shot_4_times__wounded.html

[quote]Blasting four shots into an Upper Darby police officer who fired back apparently wasn't enough for a man charged with attempted murder in the incident.

He told officers standing guard at his hospital bed that he wished he'd had a bigger gun.

"That's a direct quote: 'If I had access to my AK-47, I'd have killed all the cops on the scene,' " said Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood.


Both the police officer, Ray Blohm, 31, a married father of two young girls, and the suspect, Marvin Marmolejos, 27, of the 6700 block of Montgomery Avenue in Upper Darby, are expected to recover from wounds suffered in the shootout early Friday morning. Blohm was discharged from the hospital later in the day.

A 10-year department veteran, Blohm spotted Marmolejos in the parking lot of Brownie's pub, near the 69th Street Terminal, just after 12:30 a.m. Marmolejos was drinking from an open container and appeared to be smoking a joint, Chitwood said.
[/quote]

69th Street Terminal!!

Filled Negro - I used to go skating there. I used to go shopping with my mother on 69th street. I got my first JVC receiver there after working my after school job.

What about this man's actions is not worthy of posting on the Filled Negro Blog?

YOU might be missing the next MUMIA ABU JAMAL - right before your eyes.

field negro said...

"What about this man's actions is not worthy of posting on the Filled Negro Blog?"

Well, thanks to you, it has just been posted. Isn't the Internet beautiful?

Gregory said...

Field,
Champions League final tomorrow, 1445 Philly time. It should be interesting, given the injuries and suspensions. Most notably, Ribery will be sitting out the match due to red card suspension.

Thrasher said...

Detroit is in the midst of a carnage heere and Eric "the general" Holder was here and offered nothing of value for assistance..

Why is folks like Rand Paul important to us when are cities are at war with its citizenz??

uptownsteve said...

Thrasher

You're starting to sound like CF.

Are you suggesting that the undivided attention of Obama, black folks, the Democrats and bloggers should be directed toward revitalizing the inner cities?

Okay, the inner cities are an important issue.

What should be our first move?

Gregory said...

Field,
You might find this to be interesting:

2010 World Cup: Is Africa football's unheralded star?
Why for all the hype is the World Cup shaped by, and in the interests of, a European elite?

Constructive Feedback said...

WhiteBowieSteve:

You are sounding like the classic "White Citizens Council" who were more interested in PROTECTING THE ESTABLISHMENT rather than back up and make sure that the establishment is working in the best interests of the community as they claim.

[quote]What should be our first move?[/quote]

Move #1: ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. Acknowledge that at the present time in Detroit and elsewhere we are living in the implementation of the "SOLUTION" that you and others have SOLD to our community over the years. (Not asking you to judge - yet)

Move #2: RESPONSIBILITY. Accept that you are part of the ESTABLISHMENT order per your support for their ascension into power (not asking you to judge - yet)

Move #3: EVALUATION. Make note of whatever framework of EXPECTATIONS that you worked within for all of these years and then walk around the area that you PROMISED would benefit if the rank and file stayed UNITED in support of what you sold to them. Rate the good and bad. Most of all BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF. This will remain private.
No need to retain a FAKE FRONT as you seek to avoid sounding like your critics.

Move #4: SUBSIDIZE THE GOOD. Articulate the good elements.

Move #5: BE HONEST ABOUT THE SHORTFALLS. "Trying harder at doing the same thing that failed before" is NOT a rationale response. If necessary ABANDON these failed elements regardless if they are firmly within your ideological comfort zone.

Steve - you and others must decide if your IDEOLOGY is more important than the actual attainment of your community's goals.

What are you doing to insure that in 30 years from now anything will change?

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I don't understand some so-called black folks. You know the ones that preach ignore people like Rand Paul and his daddy and let's just move on. Hey, I'm all for moving on and building up our community. Yup! I have nothing against that. Nope! Sure don't!

I'm all for ending the violence in our neighborhoods, and especially our black people. I have even a greater reason for wanting to end the violence in our neighborhoods. Because in essence they are killing and shedding their own blood relatives blood. Think on this:

Black people used to be sold like cattle and were separated from their families as young as infants. Black's family tree history was partially destroyed in a sense, and it was an ulterior motive behind it and reason for doing that too. When you destroy the roots of a tree, it will die. Not only that, but to hide some of those deep dark secrets that will be slowly coming to the light. We're all connected whether any of you know it or not or want to believe it or not. The family ties just goes around in a circle from Africa, Caribbean, those Southern States next to the Atlantic Coast and stretches on back throughout every Southern State, up around those Midwestern States, and even those Eastern states. Cain killed Abel, and brothers have been killing brothers every since. Therefore, I for one am really against the violence taking place in our community or any community for that fact.

However, I'm not so blind and foolish that I am gonna turn my head and pretend nothing needs to be done or that the Paul's type of poison is not dangerous and won't spread causing some repercussions that will set history back to the days of antebellum. Because history does repeat itself if you let it. It was people like those Paul's that helped bring in Jim Crow and the idea that black people were 3/5 humans and not human at all. And it was people like the Pauls that planted that little seed to take away blacks right to vote. You see, all it takes are those type of poisonous words planted, watered, let them take root, and grow by someone like the Pauls speaking it. Words are like seeds when you plant them, they take root and grow. The only thing about racist seeds are that they have a tendency to grow like an Ivy plant. Funny thing about Ivy, snakes are attracted to it and like to hide out in it. In addition, Ivy smothers out everything in it path and takes over. When they were hanging and burning black folks back in the early 1900s, it started with words.

Yup, let's just sit back and twiddle our thumbs and move on, while the poison spreads. Don't drain it, apply no antibotic to it or healing salve or nothing, just let it fester. That's the same type of thinking of some of those back in the day had and when reality hit them it was too late. Jim Crow was ushered in, the right to vote had been taken away, and well...most of you should know what happened after that.

Do you think that the exodus to Liberia was all because black people just wanted to go back home to Africa? Well, it wasn't! One man even asked this question before he brought a ticket to go Liberia, "Are there any white people in Africa? Because if there are, I don't want to go." Innocent Black people were being killed by the thousands, they were being burned out of their homes, hung, and every other depictable thing that could be done to another human being was did to them with no protection of the law. The same thing going on now and the political atmosphere was the same during that time period as it is today--the militas,"take back our country", effort to get rid of black politicians, and most of all voter fraud, denying, and taking away black's right to vote, etc.

Nevertheless, no one on here has to take my word for it or pay what I said any attention. Sleep on...while your moving on, ignore the signs if you want too. That's your own individual right if you choose to do so. But just don't say I didn't warn you, and I won't say I told you so.

Anonymous said...

Disporia,

"Libertarians, as with some conservatives, are absolutists, "principled" in their positions."

I've always viewed libertarianism as an ala carte menu. The overriding idea of libertarians is just don't screw with me if what I'm doing isn't harming anyone. Not serving black people breaks that rule in my opinion.

szpork

Thrasher said...

Steve pursuant toyour request;

1. Grant from the US Treasury 1 billion dollars to every urban area

2. Pay for every urban child's education and healthcare

3. Legalize all drugs

4. Rebuilt every proverty stricken neighborhood


5.Remove every incinerator from all urban venues...


To be continued...

Thrasher said...

Steve,

BTW the way you sound like a echo repeating the same tired Obama campaign shit...Newsflash he won the election

Thrasher said...

@Granny,

Yeah I will continue to ignore crazy ass white folks like Rand Paul unlike you and Steve angry white folks are nothing new please refrain from making them more than what they are...

Negroes like you and Steve need to stop being afraid of everything...Grow some balls..

c.c. said...

to me, what is really sad is, I had to go look up Rand Paul, after reading CF's sad posts, I, a white women, thought, well, maybe Rand Paul is a conservative Black man who has a different perspective, but no, Rand Paul is just a tea baggin hater.
Constructive F. Wingnut, that name really fits you, you are really depressing to me.
It comes down to power, who has it, and it is fn'sad that a politician can advocate that a g.d. restaurant hoping for public business, could pick and choose it's clientele based on something as STUPID as skin color. I would rather be a street pirate.

Mack Lyons said...

Yeah I will continue to ignore crazy ass white folks like Rand Paul unlike you and Steve angry white folks are nothing new please refrain from making them more than what they are...

Negroes like you and Steve need to stop being afraid of everything...Grow some balls..


You seem to mistake being concerned with what the words of some people can do to those who are easily influenced with being obsessed with something someone says. Like CF, you preach that black folk should "grow some balls" and stop being concerned with what Whites do.

Well, we can stop being concerned with Whites when they cease having the social and legislative power to adversely affect Blacks. Until Congress and the various state legislatures are majority Black, we still have to pay heed to those who might sound five cans short of a six pack yet have the ability to influence others with legislative power, even slightly. Rand Paul (who pisses me off because he happens to share the name of famous graphic designer Paul Rand) happens to be one of those cloudkookoolanders whose ideas could get the bubbas in Congress to thinking "gee, that there sounds like a mighty fine idear".

Why is folks like Rand Paul important to us when are cities are at war with its citizenz??

Because some people actually see the bigger picture. Yes, we should do all we can to try to end the senseless violence that has plagued our cities. But that doesn't mean we should ignore other events that happen around us. Having a man essentially justify "separate but equal" accomodations is one of those events that should have our antennas raised.

Black Diaspora said...

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GrannyStandingforTruth said...
"I don't understand some so-called black folks. You know the ones that preach ignore people like Rand Paul and his daddy and let's just move on. Hey, I'm all for moving on and building up our community. Yup! I have nothing against that. Nope! Sure don't!"

Granny, eloquent musings.

What we blacks have in common here in this country is our black experience. We don't even have a distinct black culture to bind us.

Yet, we've done our best to create one, but it doesn't have the singularity that comes with thousands of years of customs that are uniquely our own, as with the Jews and the Chinese, to name two.

To make up for this lack, we reached out to Africa, its traditions, and its vestures, and from that tradition we created Kwanzaa, and we donned dashikis-- once more popular than they are now.

We reached out to Mother Africa, and although she wasn't indifferent, her touch was nevertheless foreign, and strange.

That's when we knew, beyond cavil, we were children of another mother, sired by a father driven by one implacable goal: to relentlessly remind us of our inferior origin.

Those who owned us used the power of time and the whip to strip not only the skin from our backs, but from our hearts, our pride, the joy of life, and our hope to be free--free to be men and women united by families, and united by a common purpose.

From my early years, I learned one indelible lesson: If I wanted to survive in a hostile environment, I had to be adaptable.

I'm always amazed that we blacks have survived as much intact as we have, living as we are in the midst of a predominantly white society, enclosed as much by spatial barriers as attitudinal ones, attitudes that essentially state that we don't measure up, physically, intellectually, or spiritually to white superiority.

I applaud the resiliency of our people when they find themselves facing, daily, assaults upon their humanity, and their worth to the larger society--assaults that are subtle at times, and hostile at times.

Black Diaspora said...

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I applaud our determination to build a world within a world, a black consciousness within a larger white consciousness, a black culture within a larger white culture, a black social relevancy above the station we've been relegated to, by a society that arrogates to itself all that is pure, good, and holy.

I applaud our strength in maintaining the "good fight," in holding tight to our sanity, and the integrity of our self-image, especially when that image is purposely distorted, and used to justify cruelty, and hatred.

True, our struggle for self-definition, and self-determination has resulted in pathologies--colorism and Tomism being two of them.

As disgusting as these pathologies are, they would be a lot worst, were it not for the daily affirmations of blackness that we have also cultivated within our own midst.

We are a strong people. That's why we've survived this long, beating back Jim Crow, and white resistance to black progress.

And many of us have excelled despite these obstacles.

We are a determined people. That's why we persist, although at times the burden our color brings weighs heavily upon us, and the obstacles seem insurmountable.

We are a resilient people. That's why we were able to adapt. We adapted in slavery, lest we perish.

We adapted to some of the harshest of realities imaginable.

We lived so that our progeny might live. We lived that we might carve out a culture, one unique to these shores, born from a common experience.

We lived so that a Marcus Garvey could live, that a Malcolm X could live, and a Martin Luther King.

We lived and hoped. We lived and hoped with an audacity of hope, that one day we'd overcome, that whites would overcome, and that with that overcoming, we would forge a new nation upon these shores, and a new people--True Americans, those dedicated to the American dream of freedom and justice for all.

Yes, I'm a dreamer.

But I have lived long enough to know that dreams do come true.

I have lived larger than I have dreamed, and, despite the obstacles, my life lived is the greatest dream of all.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Thrasher:

A fool in a boxing ring doesn't think. He doesn't keep his eye on his opponent, lets his guard down because he doesn't know how to hold his gloves properly, and throws his punches blindly and in haste. They don't even know how to duck, sway, and feint. In fact, they appear to be high on something all the time.

But a skilled boxer thinks, focuses on his opponent, and keeps his guard up high to deflect blows away from his head. He holds his gloves in a proper position and knows how to use his right guard (that's if one is left-handed like me) for whatever punch his opponent throws at him. He keeps his eye on his opponent, and stays mentally alert for an opportunity to close in with the proper stance and unexpectly with power throws that knockout punch by landing a hook to the jaw and quickly recovers from hitting his opponent and pulls back to his guarding position.

Nevertheless, I doubt if you'll understand that analogy as it applies to the topic at hand.

Constructive Feedback said...

C.C.:

You said "you are DEPRESSING TO ME".

Do you notice that you told me that you are depressed BECAUSE of my views but you did not dissect my views in absolute terms.

If I am preaching "the Earth is a sphere" and YOU are of the "Flat Earth Society" then my views would indeed be DEPRESSING to your world view.

We are not CHILDREN here c.c.
There are too many important issues in our community than for me to worry about how I can alter my views as an anti-depressant for you.

The sad part is that even in the areas where YOUR THEORIES are implemented the key problems that you are grieved over are not resolved.


THIS DEPRESSES ME that people like you are unable to ask better questions as to WHY.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]However, I'm not so blind and foolish that I am gonna turn my head and pretend nothing needs to be done or that the Paul's type of poison is not dangerous and won't spread causing some repercussions that will set history back to the days of antebellum. Because history does repeat itself if you let it. [/quote]

Dearest Granny:

One day you will learn that there is a SPIRIT that stands against our communities. This spirit which causes MAN to do us harm HAS NO RACE associated with it.

Sadly your style of "Racial Profiling" for this spirit promotes "Non-White White Supremacy".

When the Black man MURDERS us - his act of murder does not kill us as dead as when a White kills us


When an aggregation of anti-educational forces that have taken over our schools and communities cause Black kids to get an INFERIOR EDUCATION - the functional illiteracy that follows is NOT as ignorant as the segregated schools that White folks had orchestrated.

When the Klan forces came into select Black business districts (Tulsa, Atlanta, Rosewood) and burned down or looted THEIR actions are superior to the seemingly nightly Smash and Grab robbery in Atlanta alone. Each night a stolen car is driven through the front door of a store as the Street Pirates loot for their bounty.


I credit you Granny. Your antics do indeed rile Black folks up. The words "THEY CAN'T DO THIS TO US" unite Black folks.

Sadly though - so many other assaults that don't fit into this mandate go effectively unmanaged.

Thrasher said...

Granny,

I think I can rope a dope with the best even you.....

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Thrasher the activist:
Why did I know beforehand that you would not understand that analogy even though I gave you a hint? Wisdom is not your strong suit. Smh!

CF:
"The words "THEY CAN'T DO THIS TO US" unite Black folks."

There you go again CF trying to mangle what I said. Nevertheless, I have a question for you. Do you have something against Blacks uniting and standing up together against attempts to violate or take away their civil rights? CC let you know that she was a white woman and even she stands united with us in civil rights. You had the nerve to suggest that she doesn't know how to ask a question because she let you know that your words are depressing, and she didn’t lie. Smh!

"When the Klan forces came into select Black business districts (Tulsa, Atlanta, Rosewood) and burned down or looted THEIR actions are superior to the seemingly nightly Smash and Grab robbery in Atlanta alone."

I fail to see "superior actions" in burning down or looting businesses owned by others no matter who does it. It is wrong, still a criminal act, and a felony at that. Regardless! CF and all this time I was thinking you were against crime and a fighting champion against it. You disappoint me. I guess you mean only if the criminals are black. White crime does not count. Wow!

"Sadly your style of "Racial Profiling" for this spirit promotes "Non-White White Supremacy".

Wow, you are really stretching, mangling, and twisting my words now. I have never in my life promoted "non-white Supremacy". Nor have I ever supported or promoted any type of human being supremacy. It is my strong belief that all men and women are created equal and entitled to be treated as such. And that they are entitled to equality in all things on this earth, and that includes education, justice, freedoms, employment, housing, politically, and their fair share of the economical pie, etc. That has always been my fight and remains my fight until the day I leave this earth if God willing.

You on the other hand, seem to believe in white supremacy and demonstrate it daily in your defense of those who have that belief.

teachermrw said...

I think Rand is a reincarnated slavemaster/overseer.

The Fire Next Time said...

Granny said...."You on the other hand, seem to believe in white supremacy and demonstrate it daily in your defense of those who have that belief."

Well stated, granny. But CF has his fingers in ears, his nose in the air, and his eyes trained on Negroes who won't follow his vision for us.

CF is ideologically blind. He's right. You're wrong. And the twain will never meet.

He's a blind man trying to lead the sighted, and although we tell him we see just fine, thank you, the more convinced he is that he can lead us home, as though we need his help.

And every name he's called us on this blog is more suited to him, than us.

And by his own words is he judged, and by his own judgment will he be condemned.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Firethenexttime:

"He's a blind man trying to lead the sighted, and although we tell him we see just fine..."

And the church says AMEN!

Anonymous said...

"He's a blind man trying to lead the sighted, and although we tell him we see just fine, thank you, the more convinced he is that he can lead us home, as though we need his help."

I doubt if anyone can see any better than CF-maybe even less so.

Ever thought about your own judgments and that they might be wrong? Of course not. You are right, and CF is wrong.

And the recycling beat goes on with the blind calling the blind, "blind". Such is life.

Anonymous said...

Reading Granny's comments about Paul and Thrasher's barely coherent response caused the light bulb to come on. Thrasher lives in that netherworld of racial polarization that thrives on racial disharmony. A guy like Paul keeps Thrasher's reason for living meaningful. It's why he isn't bothered by Paul. Thrasher gets to be a nonproductive victim as long as guys like Paul are making pplicy. If Paul advocated for repeal of the 13, 14, and 15 Amendments, thrasher would probably walk precincts for him.

It's why Thrasher is so threatened by Obama in the same way that certain so-called old line civil rights leaders were afraid. Afraid a black presidency would make racially polarized thinking irrelevant. That you would become irrelevant. Fact is, Thrasher has been irrelevant and so lost in his/her tiny constricted world s/he hasn't noticed the world has changed.

We are not post racial, knucklehead. We are recognizing that racial navel gazing will be our total downfall if we don't get off our asses and deal with real, tough as nails issues with complex answers instead of crying about who is blacker than who and pretending this latest wave of racist posturing by the right wing fringe is no thing.

People like Thrasher are a drag on our community. They do not contribute one GD thing and they talk a kind of barely intelligent nonsense.

Thrasher is the jerkoff who mocked people who gave service on MLK's birthday to honor his memory. That should tell you all you need to know about this shallow, narcississtic, twit.

Maybe this crypto gangster motif plays well with impressionable 10-year-olds. The adults are not amused.

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Anonymous said...

STFU asshole. Without whitey and his civilization you would be back in Africa eating dirt.

Maybe we should deport you all and send you home.

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