Monday, May 17, 2010

Well, color me not surprised.



I always hate to blog about colorism, because it always opens up to all kinds of craziness from black folks. Honestly, I would avoid it if I could, because lord knows we- as black folks- have enough stuff that divides us. (This is coming from someone who calls his blog the Field Negro.)

But sometimes when other people start talking about colorism and how it affects A-merry-can culture we can't help but talk about it.

My man Anderson Cooper (him of the very white hair) is running a series on CNN which is eye opening. Of course it isn't anything new for those of us in the know. The "Doll Test" might have been over fifty years ago, but it might as well have been yesterday. Colorism is real, and, sadly, it effects our children more than anyone else. (Lately I have been thinking a lot about our children, and for all the wrong reasons .) Most of us end up falling in love with ourselves and who we are as we get older. We learn to appreciate people for who they are and not how they look. And, as a result, we get in where we fit in within the grand scheme of things as human beings. Most us us. Some of us, like the children in CNN's program, sadly buy into what society is selling in terms of what beauty is supposed to look like. As a result,we live our entire lives with society's twisted projection on us or projecting our own messed up pathologies on others. We didn't need some fancy University of Chicago professor to do a study for us to realize colorisms lingering
effect on all of us. (Maybe even the people producing the show. Think about it.)

"(CNN) -- A white child looks at a picture of a black child and says she's bad because she's black. A black child says a white child is ugly because he's white. A white child says a black child is dumb because she has dark skin.
This isn't a schoolyard fight that takes a racial turn, not a vestige of the "Jim Crow" South; these are American schoolchildren in 2010. "


So where do they get it? We can't blame it all on television and marketing. Most of this behavior is learned right at home. Don't front, you have all heard that black parent: "Tenisha get your black nappy headed ass over here before I tear you a new one." I don't know what goes on in some white homes with their little children, but I watched CNN, so I can only guess.

"Spencer was also surprised that children's ideas about race, for the most part, don't evolve as they get older. The study showed that children's ideas about race change little from age 5 to age 10."The fact that there were no differences between younger children, who are very spontaneous because of where they are developmentally, versus older children, who are more thoughtful, given where they are in their thinking, I was a little surprised that we did not find differences."


Don't be surprised professor Spencer; it's called the real world.


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Zing said...

DAILY ZINGER (Definitions), FROM ZING:

racial displacement -- Definition: The act of selecting the least meaningful racial issue, situation, event, for consideration, over more meaningful ones.

Example:

@cf--"In truth Black folks should be ashamed that an "Obama Spook" picture sent out by a Republican is able to get talked about more than the 16.5% unemployment rate that our people suffer to-damned-day."

Racial Displacer (n.): One who is guilty of "racial displacement."

Racial Displacement Identifier [R.D.I.] (n.): One who's preoccupied with identifying those who're guilty of racial displacement, and calling them out.

Chief proponent of this methodology, racial displacement identification: Constructive Feedback.

Racial displacement syndrome: an emotional disease that stems from a preoccupation with identifying racial displacement, and racial displacers.

agape2010 said...

@ FN:

How I wish I could say this was news to me, sorry to say it s not.

While doing research in southernmost Alabama on adolescents in poverty (a longitudinal study in its' 8th year for University of Alabama in Birmingham (UAB)) I was more than surprised to discover that young black children did not want to say they were black.

When asked what race they were, they would identify themselves by their color. Ex: "I'm not black, I'm brown." or "I'm not black, I'm light black."

Colorism was introduced to blacks in this nation as a tool to divide us and we keep falling into the same trap...we continue that despicable way of life to our detriment.

I hope this post serves as an illustration for those who were unaware and still want to believe that one shade of black is better or worse than another.

What happend to what James Brown taught us..."Say it loud...I'm black and I'm proud."

Peace.
~agape2010~

Anonymous said...

Yeah, James Brown...He was so proud to be black that he chased white hags his whole life.

Z said...

Ah, but don't forget what one learns in school or just walking around the neighborhood. And in books.

I'm white. I remember being scandalized as a toddler about my parents' Leslie Uggams fanship. They thought she was talented and beautiful. I said, how is it possible you have not gotten the message? Anyone can be talented and skilled, but only blond women are beautiful! It is one of the main criteria for beauty! I repeat, my amazement was at their apparently not having picked up on the cues that were all around us.
It was a really eye opening moment for figuring out what it was that I had already absorbed and that they had committed to deconstructing. So I'd say no, you can't blame the home for everything.

Zing said...

Anonymous said...
"Yeah, James Brown...He was so proud to be black that he chased white hags his whole life."

12:14 AM

No hatin' on Brown. He was doing his best to improve the white race, one white woman at a time.

LACoincidental said...

I watched and frankly, like Field, I wasn't surprised. It saddens me that the results for this type of test haven't changed in 40 years -- but not surprising.


This only proves that we as Black people must control how are children are taught and how they few themselves first and foremost. White people think Black folks are inferior doesn't bother me -- that's what the dominate culture does, it views other people as lesser.


But when Black children are ingrained to hate themselves -- that bothers me.

R.J. said...

I don't have cable TV anymore but I'm not surprised at all. A lot of this behavior comes from home and sadly television helps reinforce it.

Have y'all seen the Toyota Avalon commercials? What ticks me off is that if Toyota is going to have people of color (black or brown) in commercials, why bother when the ones that are shown have lighter skin than khaki pants? What kind of message is that sending to viewers?

agape2010 said...

@ Z:

I agree that it is nt only in the home where children learn...I believe that children learn eveywhere they are...school...playgrounds...
listening to adults....

However, parents have the biggest influemce on their children...

And...

I applaud your parents. In the heydays of Leslie Uggams whites were ostrasized for taking a stand on "race" issues WITH blacks...but many still did and do today.

Peace.
~agape2010~

rikyrah said...

sadly, count me in the 'not surprised' category either.

Arneader said...

I hate these Tests! Or should I say I hate the RESULTS of these tests. My son was four years old when he came home and asked me “Mom am I black?” I said “Yes baby you are black.” Back then I thought to myself I was so busy trying to make sure he learned his ABCs and his 123s that I forgot to talk to him about RACE. You see my son was attending a VERY GOOD all black Christian school. I was so comfortable and had so much faith in the environment my son was in. Education and behavior were main emphasis in the school. And our children were receiving them both. When I hear parents talk about problems at school with race and having to teach their children at a young age. I don’t quite understand it because it was NEVER a factor where we came from and we are from the South. I always wanted to make sure my son was in a safe environment and we GOT THAT! I do think four year old teacher told the class they were black.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Racial displacement syndrome: an emotional disease that stems from a preoccupation with identifying racial displacement, and racial displacers.[/quote]

Zing:

I was going to say "thanks" up until the last line where you infer that I have a "syndrome". IF seeking to apply DISCIPLINE to a group of people where they are made to PRIORITIZE the important stuff is a syndrome then let me tell you about some other "infected" people.

* When I was in college and unfocused romantically my girl at the time used to say "I don't spend quality time with people who are not serious". She had "Non-Quality Time Displacement Syndrome"

* Military boot camp sergeants who exact discipline, prompting individuals to focus on being soldiers have "Civilian Behavior Displacement Syndrome"

* Professors who seek to discipline the minds of young people so that they can become professionals in their line of business seek to focus the people's minds and displace all thoughts on their subject that don't stand up to scientific scrutiny - A Physics professor has "Unscientific Reasoning Displacement Syndrome".

Zing said...

CF--"I was going to say "thanks" up until the last line where you infer that I have a "syndrome". IF seeking to apply DISCIPLINE to a group of people where they are made to PRIORITIZE the important stuff is a syndrome then let me tell you about some other "infected" people."

I'm going to have another name for you, I'm sure, before I'm done.

Those other "infected" people, in those several situations you identified, didn't force anything upon you.

You were a willing participant, you were there voluntarily, and, therefore, chose the rigors of the various disciplines.

And, too, with your college girlfriend, the two of you were together by choice--no coercion involved.

Now, I want you to listen very carefully to your own words:

"IF seeking to apply DISCIPLINE to a group of people where they are made to PRIORITIZE the important stuff is a syndrome then let me tell you about some other "infected" people."

Apply discipline? You're not a drill Sergent. You're not a college professor.

Yes, we're here voluntarily, but we didn't sign on to undergo a "discipline" that you've elected to impose upon us.

A group of people?
We're not a group of people. We're individuals, who happen to stop by from time to time, to post, and to read posts.

We have little in common one with the other. Most of the commenters here hardly seem to get along, but you'd call us a "group of people," and attempt to "discipline" us as though we're a herd of cattle or sheep, to indoctrinate us against our will to follow a line reasoning only you can fully understand, because you believe that Black People are being threatened from within.

From what I've seen, you're the only threat to Black People, if you think we're here to be molded into your vision of what we should be.

They are made to PRIORITIZE the important stuff?
And who is going "to prioritize the important stuff," according to whose dictates--the fiat of Constructive Feedback?

We aren't slaves anymore, looking for a black savior, or any savior, to show us the way.

We're autonomous beings! Sure, we've made mistakes. Sure, we've had our struggles. Sure, it's going to take some of us a little while longer, for us all to overcome.

But what we don't need is someone to come along, and force us, make us accept their answers, their solutions to the Black Problem, to impose a discipline on us that we did voluntarily submit to, and to direct our time, and our attention.

CF, you have a messianic complex, not a syndrome at all.

And that name I promised: Constructive Feedback, the Black Deliverer.

field negro said...

Zing, I think CF well end up thanking you in the long run. Hell he should thank me as well. Where else cam you get therapy like this free of charge? And just think, he doesn't even need a couch.

Arneader, thanks for sharing that. It's a great PSA for folks with kids.

"Colorism was introduced to blacks in this nation as a tool to divide us and we keep falling into the same trap...we continue that despicable way of life to our detriment."

Go on and preach agape.

"No hatin' on Brown. He was doing his best to improve the white race, one white woman at a time."

They don't call him Zing for nothin. :)

Constructive Feedback said...

The "Black Deliverer".
COOL.
Thank you!!!

Filled Negro - From now on do not call me "Destructive Wingnut". YOU are hereby commanded to call me "Constructive Feedback - The Black Deliverer". The modern day "Harriet Tubman"!!!

Here is a quote from me that you can use UptownSteve:

"If I had been able to show more "Democrats/Republicans who are Black" that they exist outside of the world of American Politics but instead have a conscious soul that would exist even IF they were transported to another place or time where there are no PARTIES......I would have been able to rescue a whole lot more of my people from their present contentment".

Thank you Zing. I like this new meme.


Still we have some problems with your analysis:

[quote]Those other "infected" people, in those several situations you identified, didn't force anything upon you.

You were a willing participant, you were there voluntarily, and, therefore, chose the rigors of the various disciplines.

And, too, with your college girlfriend, the two of you were together by choice--no coercion involved.
[/quote]

I am wondering how the notion of CHOICE has anything to do with the prevailing issue?

Ironically I am writing a post regarding the twin brother of "Racial Profiling", that being "Community Honor/Dignity Enforcement".

Zing - whereas Racial Profiling is the LAZY assignment of group stereotypes upon the INDIVIDUAL - the absence of some AFFIRMATIVE MANAGEMENT of the conduct of the individuals in your group has deleterious effects upon the masses. This results in this group being tagged with negative stereotypes by the actions of the UNMANAGED FEW.

Just to cut you off - YOU NEED NOT DO THIS FOR THE OUTSIDER'S BENEFIT (the White folks - if you were guessing UptownSteve). INSTEAD you need to do this per YOUR OWN COMPASS!!!!

At the end of the day it MATTERS NOT what OUTSIDERS think of you. When your DIGNITY exceeds their standards YOU will soar while they are still groveling over the basics.

Still Zing I am not sure if you are patting me on the back or resenting that I have the audacity to expect the GROUP to enforce certain standards of behavior.

Frank Drackman said...

Of course y'alls kids don't wanta be Black, being Black sucks Barney Frank Balls...
I mean even the First Ho has one of those Planet of the Apes hairdos, seriously, that hair moves about as much as Ted Kennedy.
and a Mom referrin to you as "Black-Nappy-Headed" is a universal experience, my Mom STILL says that to me, and I'm mostly bald, and about as black as Jesse Helms,

Frank

maria said...

you know it's real-- you can read it again and again on your own blog. among the guilty parties: MMM, laurel and agape.

all have made pointless comments in praise of their their skin color, ALL have tried to insult others (RM, LAB) by flinging ridiculous insults about their attractiveness. and of course, i expect to be attacked for what i write, and be told by the stupidest one that i'm here looking for black men. yawn.

but their own words show the truth. any regular reader knows this.

they have no defense and are hypocrites.

Sarge said...

My one daughter-in-law is a "black" woman and her family is of "maroon" stock from Jamaica. That's where her parents came from, they moved to England (she was born in Brixton) and they moved to Toronto where she grew up.

Her father (now deceased) was a successful businessman, and was invited to join some club or another for "black" businessmen, but was rejected at the last.
He couldn't pass the "paper bag" test.

The shit we pile on each other...

Hathor said...

RJ.

It may be where you live, but the Toyota commercial I saw had actors that were discernibly Black. This is the one sort of set in the 40's.

Watch financial commercials if you want to see brown (palette) people.

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maria said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPZydAotVOY

word from bob marley

Veronice said...

Maria, you called it. Some people can't fool everybody on this blog. lol

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Black sucks Barney Frank Balls...
I mean even the First Ho has one of those Planet of the Apes hairdos, seriously, that hair moves about as much as Ted Kennedy
[/quote]

Frank Drackman:

In my world I try to make every minute that I invest worthwhile.

I am struggling to understand what you are working with.

Is there anything beyond the projection of Ignorance that you are committed to?

The twin brother of the "racism chaser" are those people like you who inject racially sensitive taunts because they know that the merry band of "Ingorants" who stand with them will be appeased by the latest chumming.

When I read your views they have zero impact upon my own racial dignity. This is not put out for YOU to evaluate.
Instead it shapes my view of you being a rational human being or merely ignorant.

I can't control this in you EITHER.
It comes from your own self will to be something other than ignorant.

Are you sure you want to build this "racial profile" up for "your people"?

uptownsteve said...

CF

"If I had been able to show more "Democrats/Republicans who are Black" that they exist outside of the world of American Politics but instead have a conscious soul that would exist even IF they were transported to another place or time where there are no PARTIES......I would have been able to rescue a whole lot more of my people from their present contentment".

Oh please stop it.

You launch into the "non-partisan" softshoe everytime I challenge you to explain WHY blacks should support the Republicans given that

a. Over the last 40 years the GOP has written off the black vote

b. The engine that has powered conservatism for the last 40 years is anti-black animus.

You black conservatives will never own up to these FACTS because then your "honorary white" ID card and decoder ring will be snatched away and you'll become just another black in the eyes of your beloved massa.

CF, if you answer these two questions honestly I swear on my kids I'll never be rude to you again.

Why won't the GOP attempt to appeal at least to the black middle and professional class?

Isn't it obvious that these folks believe in hard work, sacrfice, self-sufficiency and all the other rightwing canards?

no_slappz said...

(CNN) -- A white child looks at a picture of a black child and says she's bad because she's black. A black child says a white child is ugly because he's white. A white child says a black child is dumb because she has dark skin.

To borrow from Art Linkletter -- Kids Say the Darnedest Things.

How many kids did CNN interview before getting the desired responses?

So where do they get it? We can't blame it all on television and marketing. Most of this behavior is learned right at home. Don't front, you have all heard that black parent: "Tenisha get your black nappy headed ass over here before I tear you a new one."

Yeah, I've heard the verbal abuse handed out by black mothers in NY City and witnessed the physical abuse when the verbal abuse fails.

I've heard blacks and hispanics discuss how little it takes to get them to hit their kids. They were proud of how swiftly they laid some hands on the kids, as though the hitting actually accomplished something of value.

I don't know what goes on in some white homes with their little children, but I watched CNN, so I can only guess.

What goes on in white homes? A lot less hitting.

Laurel said...

Field,

Before I proceed here's a link from the Daily Beast in which General Colin Powell admits lighter-skinned Blacks are frequently chosen as Leaders over Dark-skinned Blacks.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-10/harry-reid-was-right/?cid=hp:mainpromo2


Field thank you for recognizing and validating concerns about negative perceptions within African-American culture regarding certain physical traits which still exist in today's society.

Thank you for also recognizing that the origins of such negative perceptions often come from within our own homes. (Black Community)

Its NO mistake that African-Americans (male & females) who don't inhabit strong African like physical features are often treated more favorably.

Like it or not, light-skinned and brown-skinned African-Americans with light colored eyes and straighter or natural curly hair textures ARE in fact treated more favorably than African-Americans with Darker skin color and Kinky hair textures whether we choose to admit it or not.

Light-skinned and brown-skinned African-Americans with light colored eyes and straight, wavy or natural curly hair textures are NOT only treated more favorably by White America, but also by Black America.

Blacks can NO longer continue to blame White America for our problems when it is us who set such foolish standards for Leadership based on skin color, hair texture, eye color, height, etc.,

For example:

The City of Atlanta recently elected its FIRST Dark-Skinned Mayor with Kinky hair (Kasim Reed) since Maynard Jackson was elected as Atlanta's first Black mayor back in the 1970's.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. (also from Georgia) was an exception to the skin color/ hair texture "Leadership Standard" appointed ONLY because he possessed such wonderful Oratory skills and....because its obvious he was truly annointed by God Almighty.

However even Dr. King himself chose to marry a Light-Skinned Black women with Natural Wavy hair.


To Val who wrote:

"Laurel you need to get a new Avatar because it looks like a regular negro".

Val in case your not aware a person of color doesn't need to be "High Yellow" (like my Mother) or a "Redbone" to carry fewer negroid features.

Through out my entire life I've had White people (in the North & South) ask me what am I mixed with or what origin am I?

Throughout my entire life I was often granted opportunities by White supervisors because of how I looked.

Medium to Lighter-skinned Brown people of color, with straight, wavy or natural curly hair and light colored eyes have been accepted into higher echelons of the American Black community since Slavery, just as Blacks who can pass for Whites.

This is nothing to boast about.

This is nothing yell from the rooftops.

Instead this standard for "BLACK LEADERSHIP" is something that should finally be eliminated from American Black Culture forever!

For those who don't believe me I challenge you to do your research.

Don't hate the messenger because I did NOT establish this foolish standard for "Black Leadership".

Here's a list of notable light-skinned Blacks Leaders or Brown skinned Black Leaders with Straight, Wavy or Natural Curly hair textures and/or...lighter colored eye color.

(Whitney Houston is an exception just like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. because of her voice.)


Vincent Ogé

Nat Turner

Frederick Douglass

Thurgood Marshall

Adam Clayton Powell, Jr

Malcom X

Elijah Muhammad

Louis Farrakhan

Angela Davis

Maynard Jackson

Doug Wilder

Halle Berry

Coretta Scott King

Dorothy Dandridge

Eunice Walker Johnson

Cab Calloway

Mariah Carey

Lena Horne

Shirley Franklin

Colin Powell

Condoleeza Rice (Brown-skinned NOT dark-skinned but she doesn't have Straight, wavy or naturally curly hair)

Rev. Jeremiah Wright

President Barack Obama

alicia banks said...

fn:

ditto

children learn everything from colorist adults!

and they learn from the adult colorists who control all media/rap video/toons/books/
teacher hirings/hollywood casting agents/rappers/stars...colorism rules all!!!

even in an age where black parents DO have the option of choosing visibly diverse fare

i was blessed to grow up in a rainbow hued family with an ebony mom and yellow dad...so the adults in my life taight me that ALL blackness was beauty in any shade

i teach the same to my rainbow gifted black babies each day...
i even have a new book list at my blog that includes black children's books that do the same

see more:

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f195535c860f.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0137a581b54f860d.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0137a4aab401860c.html
shame!!!!

uptownsteve said...

no slappz

"What goes on in white homes? A lot less hitting."

And sometimes a lot more killing.

Cayley Anthony?
Somer Thompson?
Haleigh Cummings?

no slappz you're just another toothless goober reaching for anything to convince yourself that you're better than SOMEBODY.

alicia banks said...

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de1368bf860d.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/precious-a-colorist-classic.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/clarity-on-colorism---on-dont-play-in-the-sun.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/sammy-sosas-skin-photos-p_n_349602.html

http://blogs.bet.com/news/newsyoushouldknow/entertainment-news-yung-berg-says-he%E2%80%99s-sorry-for-color-struck-comments-too-short-reached-agreement-with-family-of-crash-victim/

http://sandrarose.com/2009/03/ciroc-doesnt-like-dark-skinned-african-americans/

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de1368bf860d.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/precious-a-colorist-classic.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/clarity-on-colorism---on-dont-play-in-the-sun.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/sammy-sosas-skin-photos-p_n_349602.html

http://blogs.bet.com/news/newsyoushouldknow/entertainment-news-yung-berg-says-he%E2%80%99s-sorry-for-color-struck-comments-too-short-reached-agreement-with-family-of-crash-victim/


http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240ba9cc89860e.html

alicia banks said...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21367799

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/obama.reid/index.html

http://www.byroncrawford.com/2009/06/michelle-obama-kind-of-a-hoodrat.html

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/tyler-perry/spike-lee-blasts-hole-tyler-perry

http://www.amazon.com/Color-Complex-Kathy-Russell/dp/0385471610/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274190019&sr=1-1

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/unlike-obama-harry-reid-did-not-lie-1.html

alicia banks said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDW1TVH78BU

mj is the CLASSIC case of what happens to children mande insane by colorism

Laurel said...

Alicia,

Thanks for providing more links to help prove Field's point about the destructive effects of Colorism within American Society AND the Black Community.

Instead of us fighting about personal opinions regarding this disturbing fact, why don't we (Black community) band together as a people to eliminate this foolish "Leadership Standard" forever??

Until we (Black Community) choose to eliminate this "Leadership Standard", Colorism will continue to divide us (Black Community) in this country.

uptownsteve said...

I'm Black and I'm proud

I'm ready and hyped plus I'm amped

Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamps

Sample a look back you look and find

Nothing but rednecks for 400 years if you check

Don't worry be happy

Was a number one jam

Damn if I say it you can slap me right here

alicia banks said...

lac:

ditto

but children are taught to hate themselves daily

hatred is taught to kids who are poor/fat/too short/too tall/to smart/too dumb etc....

&
if they are black and gay, the hatred is even more ruthless and relentless!!!

i hope that bothers you too?...as it does not bother diced icy icy & her evil cursed clones at all....she actually lives to make gay kids think god hates them too...tragic!!!

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/prayers-bobby

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddc5c610860b.html?_c=feed-atom

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de1b1fbc860d.html

http://www.amazon.com/Shared-Heart-Portraits-Celebrating-Bisexual/dp/006447304X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274190553&sr=1-1

Laurel said...

"If you is White, you's alright,
if you's Brown, stick around,
but if you's Black, hmm, hmm, brother, get back, get back, get back".

Bill Broonzy


"The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them".

Albert Einstein


"The only difference between me and those other great Yankees is my skin color".

Reggie Jackson


"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character".

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

uptownsteve said...

"why don't we (Black community) band together as a people to eliminate this foolish "Leadership Standard" forever??"

And how do you propose to do that?

Cap Obama and appoint Clarence Thomas?

Colorism is a serious problem in the black community but that's not how we pick our leaders today.

No I don't believe that.

If that was the case the lightskinned Jesse Jackson would have won an elected office.

I live in the county with the largest concentration of bourgeois seditty negroes in the world and the County Executive, US Representative, my state Senator as well as the front runner in the upcoming election for Executive are all darkskinned blacks.

Laurel said...

Alicia,

Since we were ALL created in God's image, any so-called "standard" for acceptance which causes another Human Being to discriminate against another Human Being, is wrong on ALL levels.

alicia banks said...

hey laurel

ditto

denial always trumps doing something to correct our ills

and the truth is
MOST blacks are wounded/demented over colorism...they would be the blind leading the blind

i try to evade hopelessly colorist adult blacks who hate themselves and just save as many
black babies as i can...

my world is filled with kindred spirits like u...afro adults who love themselves and adore blackness/chocolate skin/ebony hair etc

see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K32coNYPu6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYHiPOByNc4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F8R-vBB4O4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO_PqCRMFwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30QtMpCnmS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VODiDl8k3Sc

bet!

Laurel said...

Uptownsteve,

Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.

A corny phrase but so true.

uptownsteve said...

Laurel

Could you answer my answer please.

How do you propose the black community at large "band together" to eliminate the light bright leadership standard as you see it?

Boycott lightskinned political candidates?

You know what really tickles me about discussions like this is that first people to call the Williams sisters or supermodel Alek Wek "ugly" were other darkskinned black females.

Anonymous said...

Even her avatar she made sure to have light brown eyes. lol

Laurel said...

Alicia,

I forgot to mention Mayor Cory Booker of Newark, NJ as another notable Light-Skinned Black Leader.

Blacks across America are either ashamed to admit it or don't want to admit that Barack Obama's skin color played a HUGE part in his support by Black voters.

If Barack were a Dark-Skinned Black Man, regardless of his polished resume or even if his mother was White, he would NOT have been elected president of this nation!

Why?

Lighter-skinned and Brown-skinned Blacks appear less threatening to White America.

And.....

More Appealing to Black America.

Instead of becoming angry at me for publicly saying it, as I mentioned earlier why not band together and eliminate this foolish "Leadership Standard"?

Let's pray for this to become a reality among us (Black Community)...Soon!

God Bless you Alicia my beautiful sister.

uptownsteve said...

ohh geez another one.

First Grata

Then focuspurpose

Now laurel.

Nobody's getting angry Laurel.

I asked a legitimate question.

How do you propose the "black community" eliminate this percieved light bright leadership standard?

As far as Colin Powell's remarks, that may have been true at one time but not today.

Here's the highest ranking black in the US Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Austin

Laurel said...

"Find out just what Any People will Quietly Submit to and you have the exact measure of the Injustice and Wrong which will be Imposed on Them".

Frederick Douglass

alicia banks said...

amen laurel!!!!!!!!!!!!

obama would be loved more if michelle was yellow too

vanity fair proved it...see:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/03/05/lindsay-lohan-as-madonna-and-alicia-keys-as-michelle-obama-see-crazy-make-over-pics-115875-21173731/

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/can-tom-joyner-wake-up-tavis-smiley-never-left.html

for decades, black voters in atlanta would brag about their "yellow mayors with good hair"

even as late as 1986-1996 they would call even MY shows to say the same!!!..."he jest too dark skinted to vote for do"

marvin arrington is a great bm but was always "too dark" to win mayor....even as a native and a superstar rags to riches power corp lawyer!!!
shame!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Making-My-Mark-Story-Wouldnt/dp/0881460982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1274191910&sr=1-1

_____

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB2_MmtMoIc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTurOaXDItE

http://www.mtv.com/videos/sir-mix-a-lot/18131/baby-got-back.jhtml

____

god bless u too my regal wise sista queen!

we have let the court jesters and jokers like hobama rule divide & conquer us all for far too long!!!

alicia banks said...

uts:

i really despise how you turn EVERY topic into an assault on black women...niggers like you are the reason yellow women feel superior to alek wek...YOU made them feel that way with your colorist worship!!!!


and euro elitist niggers like you have no problem with the colorist status quo..we get that too!

uptownsteve said...

Oh I get it now.

This is all about a couple of darkskinned sistas who are nuring psychological wounds because the lighskinned guys didn't pay them any attention.

Carry on.

Anonymous said...

"Laurel said...

God Bless you Alicia my beautiful sister.

10:08 AM"


Great. There went my breakfast.
Probably lunch, too.

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...
"Laurel

Could you answer my answer please."



Uptown's hot for that high yellow trim!

alicia banks said...

assnon:

when you threw up?

did u notice chunks of your own flesh?

because pigs like you who eat bacon are cannibals!

alicia banks said...

uts/assnon:

only a colorist trifling fake fool like you would feign missing the HUUGE scope here...you need to do that so that ancient global white supremacy is reduced to a black female flaw...u repulse me beyond vomiting!!!!

Constructive Feedback said...

Filled Negro: You may have to excuse me one day as I verbally haze one of your most dishonest and fraudulent posters: ShakeYourBooty UptownSteve.

[quote]I challenge you to explain WHY blacks should support the Republicans given that [/quote]

WHEN HAVE I EVER FREAKING ASKED THE BLACK VOTER TO 'SUPPORT THE REPUBLICANS'?

I asked WHY - at a time when MISSION ACCOMPLISHED SIGNS are up all over our communities and yet.......IN CHICAGO SOME BLACKS ARE CALLING FOR THE 'NATIONAL GUARD TO PROTECT BLACK PEOPLE........WHAT IS MOTIVATING BLACKS TO "KEEP TRYING HARDER AT DOING THE SAME THING"?

Does everyone else notice that as I put forth this challenge to WhiteBowieSteve and Filled Negro they attempt to "OUT ME AS A REPUBLICAN"?

They are the main salesmen of the BLUE PILL, promising our people that if we ingest it OUR PROBLEMS WILL BE CURED.

I have the AUDACITY to test the EFFICACY OF THIS PHARMACEUTICAL CONCOCTION that you have been pushing on our people, winning the "Sales Man of the Year" from Merk in the process.

The long running comment about how "When the revolution comes - the Negroes most attached to the system will OPPOSE IT" should be applied to WhiteBowieSteve. His power and contentment comes from the status quo. As long as his party and ideology is standing strong (and things are great in Bowie MD) he could care LESS about the situation with so many others. Don't be fooled - he is going to FIGHT against any change in focus by Black America as we seek more comprehensive and enduring progression.

Think about it people. In the context of the SOLUTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY - the opposite of "Black people are VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS IN EXPECTATION THAT OUR CHALLENGES WILL BE SOLVED - per the advocacy of Black Leaders" IS NOT/ IS NOT/ IS NOT/ IS NOT Vote for REPUBLICANS instead.

In my view the opposite of outsourcing our community problems to the AMERICAN POLITICAL DOMAIN is - working to fortify the parallel domain that has suffered from BENIGN NEGLECT!!!!

The "Community Cultural Consciousness and Competency Development Domain".

* What if the schools in our community had improved consistent QUALITY as triggered by a COMPETENCY DEVELOPMENT initiative which saw the importance of PREPARING our young people to be the PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGENTS that we need to retain the STANDARD OF LIVING for the community?

Is this a POLITICAL LOSS for Black folks?


* WHAT IF our streets were made SAFER because a CULTURAL CONSCIOUSNESS movement aligned the MESSAGES that flow in our community via entertainment/ political speech / education and general discussion between male and female were placed in alignment with HIGHER VALUES AND RESPECT?

Is this a POLITICAL LOSS in that we did not do this through the AMERICAN POLITICAL PROCESS?

If you notice WhiteBowieSteve is forced to return to the same tired themes (CS is a Republican - don't fall for the trick) because he IS A POLITICAL SELLOUT OPERATIVE.

I challenge YOU to be honest with yourself and tell me WHAT MORE can Black people RATIONALLY expect to receive from the POLITICAL PROCESS in regards to addressing our problems?

Instead what we see in the news story below is with THE DEKALB COUNTY BOARD IN FAVORABLE HANDS......a Black woman STILL was UNJUSTLY LOCKED UP due to an error in record keeping among FAVORABLE PEOPLE.

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2010/05/life-is-better-in-dekalb-county-georgia.html


(Sorry MoFo)

Anonymous said...

"ohh geez another one.

First Grata

Then focuspurpose

Now laurel.

Nobody's getting angry Laurel."


UTS, I think you forgot someone.

Laurel said...

Uptownsteve wrote:

"Nobody's getting angry Laurel.

I asked a legitimate question.

How do you propose the "black community" eliminate this percieved light bright leadership standard?"


Here are my answers:

1) Admit such a problem DOES in fact STILL exist today in American Black society.

2) Its not hard, just STOP Discriminating against Dark-Skinned Blacks by appointing, electing and selecting MORE Dark-Skinned Black Leaders!

Not just Qualified Light-Skinned Blacks.

Not just Qualified Brown-Skinned Blacks.

Not just Qualified Blacks with Straight, Wavy or Naturally curly hair and light colored eyes.

You know where I'm coming from!

I'm speaking of Qualified Blacks with Darker hued skin color, Kinky hair and Black eyes. (African or Negroid features)

How can we expect Black Children to love themselves regardless if they are Light, Brown or Dark-Skinned if we (Black Community) continue to select Black Leaders who appear physically "less threatening" to White America?

Choosing Dark-Skinned Black Leaders to represent America's Black Community should be the norm NOT the exception.


Also...

I don't believe when we stand before God one day he will have a line for Whites, Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, Dark-Skinned Blacks, Light-Skinned Blacks, Brown-Skinned.

Since God Almighty or the Lord Jesus Christ doesn't love us or judge us based upon Skin Color or Skin Tone, Eye Color, Hair Texture, Height, Education, Where we live, etc., Than why should we??


"We may have Different Religions, Different Languages, Different Colored Skin, but we all belong to One Human Race".

Kofi Annan

Have a Blessed day all

uptownsteve said...

CF

ROTFLMBAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course you didn't answer my question.

You never do.

It really would have been hard for me to be civil to you anyway.

You pathetic buckdancin' Tom.

Anonymous said...

"UTS, I think you forgot someone."

Just don't call it out loud. All we need now is for JAWS/Laincog/laaudio to swim by and chime in with the usual bullshit.

alicia banks said...

laurel:

vanity fair proved that most people even want malia and sasha to be yellow too

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/03/05/lindsay-lohan-as-madonna-and-alicia-keys-as-michelle-obama-see-crazy-make-over-pics-115875-21173731/


denzel washington often speaks of the abuse his dark wife takes from niggers like uts

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_n12_v50/ai_17502803/

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...
I'm uptown and I'm brown

I'm ready and diapered plus I'm a jerk

Most of my heroes never did work

Sample a look back you look and find

Nothing but welfare for 40 years if you check

I Love Big Butts

Was a number one jam

Damn if I say it you can slap me right here

Laurel said...

Alicia,

I have a Dark-Skinned niece and great-niece whom I love with all of my heart and will continue to instill in their minds how Beautiful they are.


Uptown Steve wrote:

"Oh I get it now.

This is all about a couple of darkskinned sistas who are nuring psychological wounds because the lighskinned guys didn't pay them any attention.

Carry on".


For the record Uptown Steve I am not Dark-Skinned.

I've also dated several men (before I married) who were well- educated, Light-Skinned and had hair that was Straight, Wavy or Naturally curly and...also had light colored eyes.

I did NOT seek them or run after them, they ran after and sought me.

Just like Dark-Skinned men ran after and sought my Light-Skinned Mother and sister before they chose to marry Dark-Skinned men.

UTS hope you caught that.

I've answered your questions, now I'm out of here.

Have fun on this one.

Healthy debate is good for the soul.

I'm sure Field will probably get at least 100 comments on this post.

uptownsteve said...

"Its not hard, just STOP Discriminating against Dark-Skinned Blacks by appointing, electing and selecting MORE Dark-Skinned Black Leaders!"

Oh you mean like Harold Washington, Harvey Gantt, Marion Barry, Major Owens, Shirley Chisholm, Vernon Jordan, Richard Hatcher, Edolphus Towns, Carol Moseley Braun, Ike Leggett, Jack Johnson, Wellington Webb, Tom Bradley, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Mike Nutter, Byron Brown and literally hundreds of others??????

The leading black sex symbol in Hollywood today is a black Afro-Brit names Idris Elba.

The friggin First Lady is a beautiful darkskinned black woman.

What the f are you talking about?

Laurel said...

Were any of those Dark-Skinned Black Leaders elected President of the United States??

Bye!

alicia banks said...

laurel:

i adored lena horne because she was anti-colorist...she hated racism and colorism even as a yellow icon/legend abused by all races...

she was so repulsed by dark niggers like uts drooling all over her that she wed a cool jew...

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01347ef10cf2860b.html

Laurel said...

ha ha

I really have to go now.

Later

alicia banks said...

uts:

i adore idris

"The leading black sex symbol in Hollywood today is a black Afro-Brit names Idris Elba"

ditto
now...
name just ONE black female in follywood the SAME hue who is as popular as idris/halle barry or paula patton????

no can do because of niggers like you and colorist who rule all media!!!!


ps: blair underwood is much sexier than idris!!!

Veronice said...

I think Laurel is fraud. She's enjoying herself pretending to care about darkskinned people while she's bragging how much she's not dark and have all those desireable features. I know her kind. lol.

Hathor said...

Laurel,

Not everyone would agree with your list.

Nor would everyone agree with your assessment of how different colored Blacks are treated. It also depends upon the location and the time in history. The first Black mayor in Atlanta may have been Maynard Jackson, but the first Black mayor of Cleveland,OH was Carl B. Stokes (1967).

uptownsteve said...

Veronice

EXACTLY.

AB

"she was so repulsed by dark niggers like uts drooling all over her that she wed a cool jew..."

You show your self-hatred everytime you post.

It's so obvious.

BTW you can look at my avatar and see that my wife is darkskinned.

I have NEVER been into redbones.

I figured if I wanted a white woman I'd go get a real one.

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...
"Its not hard, just STOP Discriminating against Dark-Skinned Blacks by appointing, electing and selecting MORE Dark-Skinned Black Leaders!"

"Oh you mean like Harold Washington, Harvey Gantt, Marion Barry, Major Owens, Shirley Chisholm, Vernon Jordan, Richard Hatcher, Edolphus Towns, Carol Moseley Braun, Ike Leggett, Jack Johnson, Wellington Webb, Tom Bradley, Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee, Mike Nutter, Byron Brown and literally hundreds of others??????"


Nipsey Russell.

alicia banks said...

uts:

anyone who uses the word redbone is retarded

and

in addition to being a brazen retard

you are a horrendous hypocrite

YOU MADE THIS TOPIC AN ATTACK ON BLACK WOMEN AS ALWAYS!!!

YOU ATTACK ALL BLACK WOMEN WORSE THAN ANOY OTHER "MAN" HEREIN
ALWAYS!!!!

"I figured if I wanted a white woman I'd go get a real one."

as i said
niggers like you worship yellow women
by degrading dark ones
and then you degrade the yellow ones
by reminding them that they are "fake/not real" white ones

thanks oj!

uptownsteve said...

Hathor

The first black Borough President in NYC. Elected in 1953.

http://www.blackpast.org/?q=aah/jack-hulan-edwin-1905-1986

alicia banks said...

uts:

u r one stupid bold mofo

"You show your self-hatred everytime you post."

you saying this to me
is akin to the bleached michael jackson bashing a genetic albino for hating their lack of melanin

u r a joker like hobama!!!

Laurel said...

"If Everyone likes you, you're either biting your tongue or haven't found your Passion".

Loic Le Meur


"It is not Love that is Blind, but Jealousy".

Lawrence Durrell

alicia banks said...

laurel

i love your quotes!!!

Anonymous said...

uptownsteve said...

"I figured if I wanted a white woman I'd go get a real one."

That will cost you about $500. And you'd have to take that kufi off.

Laurel said...

Alicia,

Honey please don't waste your time or take what UTS says personally.

He probably isn't worth it and your much better than that.

Hathor said...

UTS mentioned quite a few leaders which he classified as dark skinned, I don't think Laurel would agree with his list.

There have been enough dark skinned Black people who have been great contributors to our society, but one would have to educate themselves instead of believing and perpetuating myths. Someone like Laurel, would be someone who could not pass on any role models. Her tone would filter down to children and counteract any positive self image.

alicia banks said...

laurel:

ditto

i am a lioness

i have to sharpen my fangs with fodder like uts

he inspires me!!!

slaying lost colorist euro hypochristian hater poisonous soulless lying demonic niggers like he and diced icy icy is my mission in life!

Anonymous said...

@Laurel:

You bring a whole new meaning to the word "vapid". You are fascinatingly stupid.

Laurel said...

Thanks:)

Like I said healthy debate is good for the soul.

Heated topics like "Colorism" and "Racism" more often than not always exposes what's really hidden deep within the heart of another Human Being.

alicia banks said...

hathor:

comm scholars know that speech is only productive when comprehended

and i am certain that,like myself, laurel varies her speech accordingly

intercultural competence and fluency mandate diversity/flexibility/tailoring etc...

uptownsteve said...

Hathor

"Laurel" is just the latest proto-femme SuperAfrocentric neurotic to soil Field's board.

She's not here for debate.

She just wants to rant and get a little attention.

Laurel said...

"Jealousy is a dog's bark which attracts thieves".

Karl Kraus


"If I were to try to read, much less answer, all the Attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business.
I do the very best I know how -- the very best I can.
And I mean to keep on doing it to the end. If the end brings me out all right, what is said against me will not amount to anything.
If the end brings me out all wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference".

Abraham Lincoln


"Until Justice is Blind to Color, until Education is Unaware of Race,
until Opportunity is Unconcerned with the Color of Men's skins, Emancipation will be a Proclamation but not a fact".

Lyndon B. Johnson

Veronice said...

Laurel, I agree on the colorism among blacks, we've been through this on this blog already. but I think you're mixing more than one issue with another, oh, and you enjoy talking about your looks.

alicia banks said...

laurel:

uts hates any black woman who can defend herself against his rabid misogyny and blatant sexist drivel

kudos!!!

Hathor said...

Laurel,
If I were to envy anything about you, it would be only your youth.

no_slappz said...

uptownsteve, you wrote:

no slappz

"What goes on in white homes? A lot less hitting."


You responded:

And sometimes a lot more killing.

Cayley Anthony?
Somer Thompson?
Haleigh Cummings?


The murder rate among blacks is SEVEN TIMES the murder rate among whites. Moreover, in absolute numbers, blacks commit more murders than whites.

As usual, you have no point. Meanwhile, people I have known are among the victims who were murdered by blacks.

You wrote:

no slappz you're just another toothless goober reaching for anything to convince yourself that you're better than SOMEBODY.

I think the real psycho-drama appearing here is the desperate effort by blacks to convince themselves tney are not worse than everybody else.

A look around the world suggests that blacks are on their best behavior in the US. In Africa's black nations, life is, as they say, nasty, brutish and short.

Widespread disease and violence combine to keep the African nations in varying degrees of chaos, misery and dysfunction.

If there were a prospering, modern black nation somewhere in the world, white attitudes would become more sympathetic. But until blacks prove they can run a country that is more than a half-step from a state of nature, white expectations for blacks will remain low.

Laurel said...

"I am not a Racist.
I am against every form of Racism and Segregation, every form of Discrimination.
I believe in Human Beings, and that all Human Beings should be Respected as such, regardless of their Color".

Malcolm X,


"Find out just what Any People will Quietly Submit to and you have the exact measure of the Injustice and Wrong which will be Imposed on Them".

Frederick Douglass


"When you've got some coffee that's too black, which means it's too strong, what do you do?
You integrate it with cream... But if you pour too much cream in it, you won't even know you ever had coffee.
It used to be hot, it becomes cool.
It used to be strong, it becomes weak.
It used to wake you up, now it puts you to sleep".

Malcolm X


"And now Abideth Faith, Hope, Love these three but the greatest of these is Love".

I Corinthians 13:13

Anonymous said...

Hey, Red Foxx had it right when he said, "If you see an ugly little kid, follow him home. After he goes in the house, go up and knock on the door, and you will see an ugly parent come to the door!" This quote is highly applicable to this neo-doll/color sensitivity test sponsored by CNN. (By the way what's up with CNN, with all this investigation of BLACK people? Don't tell me that they can't find any jobs for Soledad O'Brien? WTF?

This shyt ain't news. It's common knowledge that what a kid hears at home he/she will take with them as they step outside the front door. If you are an AA, you most likel;y have experienced many situations in the public ways where some little white kid will stare at you as if you just stepped out of a flying saucer. Generally the when the parents take note that their offsping is riveted on looking at "the black man", they will say "Oh Jimmy don't stare at the NICE man, it's not polite". Then little Jimmy will sock it to 'em by pointing directly at you and say out loud, "look mommy, he's a brown man!" At this time red rushes up the cheeks of the mother and she will snatch the kid around and carry him away in a different direction.

You can bet that that kid is only expressing in his childish way some of the stuff he's heard from his parents at home. You damn sure don't need a study to figure this stuff out in racist America. Peace....

Laurel said...

CNN: Lawyer questions police version of raid that killed 7-year-old, Black Detroit girl

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/16/michigan.police.child/index.html?hpt=T2

uptownsteve said...

no_slappz

"I think the real psycho-drama appearing here is the desperate effort by blacks to convince themselves tney are not worse than everybody else."

Is that why you hand around a black blog?

To convince black folks that we're inferior??

Puh-leeze.

I bet most of the blacks who post here could buy and sell a sorry inbred 'neck like you ten times over.

A black man is your President.

Keep on with your "master race" fantasies while you chip the paint on your doublewide.

We'll just laugh at you.

Constructive Feedback said...

Laurel -

I will look past your previous conflicts with me and agree with some of your points. The fact that you are trigging WhiteBowieSteve to ask MORE QUESTIONS means that you are getting somewhere and thus is has to keep "putting you on trial".

[quote]1) Admit such a problem DOES in fact STILL exist today in American Black society.

2) Its not hard, just STOP Discriminating against Dark-Skinned Blacks by appointing, electing and selecting MORE Dark-Skinned Black Leaders!
[/quote]

We can go to Jamaica or Cuba and see that even in these nations lighter skinned people are more likely to work at the front desk of hospitality venues.

Ultimately those of us who are conscious must ask "How can we ask WHITE FOLKS to not be sensitive to the hue of Black people when BLACK FOLKS can't even follow through??

(For the record - I like my women CHOCOLATE!!!)

The new mayor of Atlanta - Kasim Reed is a DARK SKINNED BLACK MAN.

http://whbc830am.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/kasim-reed.jpg

Unfortunately Black Commentator doesn't like him:
http://www.blackcommentator.com/178/178_images/178_cover_negro_corporate_politician_dixon_up.jpg

alicia banks said...

uts:

correction!

a half white blackish man is prez

which half is ruining america???

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/can-tom-joyner-wake-up-tavis-smiley-never-left.html

alicia banks said...

cf:

that new mayor is the first dark skinned mayor in atl ever

only
as atl is doomed

and
only as a wf was his opponent

global sexism trumps global colorism always!!!

http://www.blackcommentator.com/154/154_cover_dixon_black_mecca.html

uptownsteve said...

CF

"The fact that you are trigging WhiteBowieSteve to ask MORE QUESTIONS means that you are getting somewhere and thus is has to keep "putting you on trial"."

As usual you have it all backwards.

People like you and Laurel hate to be challenged.

You merely want to rant, pontificate and for your audience to blindly accept your false premises as facts.

When you are pressed to prove your assertions or substantiate your claims you either

a. Stomp away in a hissy fit (Laurel)

b. Launch into a totally irrelevant 3 paragraph spew which has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand (YOU)

"We can go to Jamaica or Cuba and see that even in these nations lighter skinned people are more likely to work at the front desk of hospitality venues."

Wait a minute.

Aren't you black conservatives the ones claiming that black caribbeans don't carry around the psychological baggage of "racism" or "victimhood" as do black Americans?

I guess it depends on the debate at the time.

alicia banks said...

cf:

i bet that dark bm mayor helps hobama betray and nuke lots of poor blacks of every hue in ga too

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de036da8860c.html


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-dixon/siting-nukes-in-a-poor-bl_b_559103.html

alicia banks said...

cf:

why should black commentator like another black politico dem betrayer???

Laurel said...

Alicia,

You are absolutely correct!

Kasim Reed is the FIRST Dark-Skinned Black Man with Kinky hair ever elected Mayor in the City of Atlanta.


Uptownsteve wrote:

"People like you and Laurel hate to be challenged.

You merely want to rant, pontificate and for your audience to blindly accept your false premises as facts.

When you are pressed to prove your assertions or substantiate your claims you either

a. Stomp away in a hissy fit (Laurel)"

To the contrary steve.

You are a Free, Legal American citizen just as I am and we are both entitled to our own opinions.

You DON'T have to accept my opinion just as I DON'T have to accept yours.

Its nothing personal and I don't take it personal.

If your seeking a "sparring partner", sorry I'm not the one.

As for proving my opinions via facts I've already done that.

If you choose NOT to accept those facts, what am I supposed to do force them down your throat?

No way dude!

Barack Obama is our nation's FIRST Black President. In case you haven't notice he is NOT a Dark-Skinned Black man.

I thank God at least one Black man made it in but let's be REAL shall we?


Medium to Lighter-skinned Brown people of color, with straight, wavy or natural curly hair and light colored eyes have been accepted into higher echelons of the American Black community since Slavery, just as Blacks who can pass for Whites.

This is nothing to boast about.

This is nothing yell from the rooftops.

Instead this standard for "BLACK LEADERSHIP" is something that should finally be eliminated from American Black Culture forever!

Once again here's a list of notable light-skinned Blacks Leaders or Brown skinned Black Leaders with Straight, Wavy or Natural Curly hair textures and/or...lighter colored eye color.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was an exception to the skin color/ hair texture "Leadership Standard" appointed ONLY because he possessed such wonderful Oratory skills and....because its obvious he was truly annointed by God Almighty.

However even Dr. King himself chose to marry a Light-Skinned Black women with Natural Wavy hair.

(Whitney Houston is an exception just like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. because of her voice.)

Don't hate the messenger because I did NOT establish this foolish standard for "Black Leadership".


Vincent Ogé

Nat Turner

Frederick Douglass

Thurgood Marshall

Dr. Charles R. Drew

Adam Clayton Powell, Jr

Malcom X

Elijah Muhammad

Louis Farrakhan

Angela Davis

Maynard Jackson

Doug Wilder

Halle Berry

Coretta Scott King

Dorothy Dandridge

Billie Holiday

Eunice Walker Johnson

Cab Calloway

Mariah Carey

Lena Horne

Shirley Franklin

Colin Powell

Condoleeza Rice (Brown-skinned NOT dark-skinned but she doesn't have Straight, wavy or naturally curly hair)

Rev. Jeremiah Wright

President Barack Obama

Cory Booker

alicia banks said...

laurel ditto!

3 dark persons lost before yellow hobama/machurian hoax/joker...

shirley c
jesse j
al s

Laurel said...

By the way that was my LAST comment regarding the topic of this post.

As I predicted Field will receive well over 100 comments before the close of business day, however healthy debate is good for the soul.

Such sensitive topics more often than not always reveals what is deeply hidden within the heart of another Human Being.

I applaud Field for being Bold enough to expose the ugly practice of "Colorism" and "Racism" NOT only in White America but also within the Black Community.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]People like you and Laurel hate to be challenged. You merely want to rant, pontificate and for your audience to blindly accept your false premises as facts.[/quote]

WhiteBowieSteve:

I LOVE TO BE "CHALLENGED"..........with questions about my views that are LEGITIMATE.

You are so used to using the monopoly power that you purport to speak on behalf of to beat anyone who questions you upside the head who dares challenge the status quo.

Notice that when I put forth the reframing of your "Why don't Black people vote for Republicans" question YOU were forced to resort to name calling because YOU could not handle my CORRECTION OF YOUR CONSTRUCT.


Still I have to thank you Steve. Over the past (approximate) 3 years that I have been debating you - you more than just about any other person have showed me the Debate Tactics that are used by "Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chasers" and "Democrats who are Black".

In all seriousness - what I learn from you and Filled Negro is highly effective when used in person. (This despite the fact that I work to talk about everything other than politics with Black folks during social events).

Thank you Steve.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]why should black commentator like another black politico dem betrayer???
[/quote]

Thats the problem. I have never figured out what Glen Ford and Peter Gamble are ultimately driving for.

Go take a look at their board of directors AB.

(Might be a dated list but) They have:

* Juliane Malveaux
* Michael Eric Dyson
* Ron Daniels

and several other BLACK, PROGRESSIVE political operatives who have been loyal Democrats for some time.

AB - while it may be the editorial position of Black Commentator/ Black Agenda Report to push Black elected officials and the Democratic Party LEFTWARD - the truth is that unlike they do with the GOP and Conservatives THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF "TORPEDOING" these people's position of power.

(Note - in the mind of Steve and Filled Negro - my statement above proves that I am a Republican when I am merely making a factually observable point).


The key point that I have never understood about "Black Commentator" in the years that I have been monitoring them is that in as much as they are "anti-capitalist", anti-corporate - when it comes to stopping "The Flight Of Capital From The Cities" which appears to be a central point to their "Black Community Redevelopment" plans it stands to reason that despite their front - they can't possibly seek to destroy corporations for this is the key funding source that they seek to confiscate their funds from.

Anonymous said...

Veronice said...
I think Laurel is fraud. She's enjoying herself pretending to care about darkskinned people while she's bragging how much she's not dark and have all those desireable features. I know her kind. lol."


I think Laurel is really Alicia's carpet-muncher.

uptownsteve said...

Laurel

"Once again here's a list of notable light-skinned Blacks Leaders or Brown skinned Black Leaders with Straight, Wavy or Natural Curly hair textures and/or...lighter colored eye color."

And I produced a list of darkskinned nappy haired black leaders.

I guess that doesn't count to a ranter with an agenda.

CF

"Notice that when I put forth the reframing of your "Why don't Black people vote for Republicans" question YOU were forced to resort to name calling because YOU could not handle my CORRECTION OF YOUR CONSTRUCT."

You mean when you completely dodged the question and launched into a totally irrelevant 5 paragraph rant like you always do?

Hathor said...

Is anybody but me, puzzled by this statement.

However even Dr. King himself chose to marry a Light-Skinned Black women with Natural Wavy hair.

http://givnology.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/46060593/m/4321017881

Laurel said...

Alicia,

Check this out from today's Washington Post:

Rev. Wright says "Obama threw him under the bus"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/18/AR2010051801516.html

Zing said...

**no_slappz--"I think the real psycho-drama appearing here is the desperate effort by blacks to convince themselves tney are not worse than everybody else."

The real "psycho-drama" is the "desperate effort" of one no_slappz to convince blacks that they are "worse than everybody else."

Now, I wonder why he'd do such a thing! Desperation is one hell of a motivator.

alicia banks said...

laurel:

yes!!!

hobama pimped the tucc
then slew rev w
shame!!!
rev w is a rebel angel/afro icon in chicago

____

assnon:

you are a vulgar carpetless munchless homohating psycho...

fix ALL of that asap you nasty nincompoop!!!

Laurel said...

Uptownsteve wrote:

"Laurel said"

"Once again here's a list of notable light-skinned Blacks Leaders or Brown skinned Black Leaders with Straight, Wavy or Natural Curly hair textures and/or...lighter colored eye color."

"And I produced a list of dark-skinned nappy haired black leaders".

"I guess that doesn't count to a ranter with an agenda".


Yes Steve except my list includes Barack Obama out nation's FIRST Black President, who just happens to be Light-Skinned.

It appears the ONLY Agenda you desire to push on Field's Blog is YOURS and anyone who disagrees you attempt to destroy.

Well....

Too bad this isn't YOUR Blog!

Thus your comments are nothing more than mere personal opinions just like mine.

Personal opinions don't nor will they ever possess the same influence as the Bible or U.S. Constitution.

Personal opinions are like a--h---s.

Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

Don't be a hater.

Ha ha

This is such a beautiful day.

alicia banks said...

cf:

mike dyson and julianne m have blasted hobama often

you are being really duplicitous and unfair

bruce and his bar do exactly what you harp about: police all politicos no matter what color/race!

we all should do as they do


http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123ddff453a860d.html

Laurel said...

Oops! Typo

Correction:

"Yes Steve except my list includes Barack Obama our nation's FIRST Black President, who just happens to be Light-Skinned".

alicia banks said...

laurel:

thank you for being a secure het and a true sista who is not afraid of lesbians...homhating cowards like uts/assnon thrive on making women like you fear women like me so we never unite to slay them

i cherish you...

____

re rev w

i adore him
i adore his legacy
i even adore his church!
and i will blog re him asap this pm

uptownsteve said...

Hathor sez

"Is anybody but me, puzzled by this statement."

After watching "Laurel" today, I'm not surprised.

This is just Chapter 200 of the ongoing blog series "Nobody Loves or Respects the Dark-Skinned Black Woman" as performed by AB, Grata, FocusedPurpose and other deprived neurotics who refuse to believe that the reason they are lonely and alone has nothing to do with being dark and everything to do with being a pedantic nutcase.

uptownsteve said...

Mary McLeod Bethune started a university and had the ear of Presidents.

http://www.cookman.edu/about_BCU/history/our_founder.html

Marcus Garvey started a Back to Africa movement and personified self-help and reliance.

http://www.africawithin.com/garvey/garvey_bio.htm

alicia banks said...

uts:

we are not lonely and alone

you have to tell that lie to make your own lies sound like the truth

and

the bs you post does not negate the reality of global sexism and colorism nor your PERFECT INCESSANT LIVING PROOF of both

audre lorde penned VOLUMES on lying sorry weak bitch made nigger boys like you

“[Racism, Sexism, Heterosexism and homophobia are] forms of human blindness [that] stem from the same root—an inability to recognize the notion of difference as a dynamic human force, one which is enriching rather than threatening to the defined self, when there are shared goals. … It is based upon the false notion that there is only a limited and particular amount of freedom that must be divided up between us, with the largest and juiciest pieces of liberty going to as spoils to the victor or the stronger. So instead of joining together to fight for more, we quarrel between ourselves for a larger slice of the one pie.” (“Scratching the Surface: Some Notes on Barriers to Women and Loving: ”)

uptownsteve said...

Laurel

"Yes Steve except my list includes Barack Obama out nation's FIRST Black President, who just happens to be Light-Skinned."

So the issue isn't that there aren't any darkskinned black leaders as you originally asserted.

It's now that the first Black President is lightskinned?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

alicia banks said...

ps:

uts

even if we were alone

a euro reject court jester like you would NEVER be our choice of an african king...fyi

and my gorgeous femme black wife is more regal than you will ever be

lost niggers like you are not in our tribe and we thank god for that daily!!!!

alicia banks said...

uts:

"deprived" of a pseudo man like u?

"neurotic" about black pride and love of black skin?

we will gladly be that you oj clown!!!

alicia banks said...

uts:

every black s/hero i have ever adored has been called a
"pedantic nutcase"...

wow

thanks!

Laurel said...

Uptownsteve,

For the last time I'm not Dark-Skinned.

Wait a minute!

Your not even worth it so why should I waste my time?

Healthy debates are good for the soul.

Have a Blessed day "my Brother".

Its such a Beautiful day. Think I'll enjoy it.


"Don't take the wrong side of an argument just because your opponent has taken the right side".

Baltasar Gracian


"I love argument, I love debate. I don't expect anyone just to sit there and agree with me, that's not their job".

Margaret Thatcher


"It is better to debate a question without settling it than to settle a question without debating it".

Joseph Joubert


"Debate is masculine, conversation is feminine".

Amos Bronson Alcott


"But the need for conflict to expose prejudice and unclear reasoning, which is deeply embedded in my philosophy of science, has its origin in these debates".

Robert B. Laughlin

"It is better to be high-spirited than to be narrow-minded and all too prudent".

Vincent Van Gogh

"He was so narrow minded that if he fell on a pin it would blind him in both eyes".

Fred Allen

alicia banks said...

laurel:

"dark skin" = bad to fools like uts

so every strong woman is dark

he is a new breed of rabid black hobama nazi fool talking the same old shamelessly colorist sexist foolishness herein each day

Anonymous said...

Zing said...
>The real "psycho-drama" is the "desperate effort" of one no_slappz to convince blacks that they are "worse than everybody else."<

Blacks are not worse than everybody else but Black culture is dysfunctional in many parts of the world. This is legacy of rapid modernization, colonial dislocation and, especially in the U.S., slavery and segregation, but it's perpetuation is not primarily due to the white man's racism.

The dysfunctionality is nutured by the modern liberal political structure which needs to keep blacks in a certain amount of misery. I'm am not saying that voting republican is the answer, I am saying that speaking truth about the democratic plantation is the first step toward breaking the cycle of manipulation.

Thrasher said...

Yawn....This type of chatter make a nigger wanna hollar and throw up both my hands.....

I shall return when the chatter warrants my presence...


BTW Rev. Wright is on the money yet again...

Laurel said...

ha ha Alicia you are too much.

I'll leave Steve alone to wade in his own delusional cesspool of personal opinion which he seems to think is on the same level as The Bible and the U.S. Constitution.

Its obvious either some form of Bitterness or Envy lies beneath all of that sarcasm spewing forth from his mind.

I can't take what he says personally or that same Bitterness or Envy will rub off on me.

Even hard-nosed fans like "Uptownsteve" have their place in Field's Blogging world.

God Bless you Steve!

uptownsteve said...

"For the last time I'm not Dark-Skinned."

Is it me or doth Laurel protest too much?

(Donning my T.D. Jakes demeanor)


It's okay sweetie, there's nothing wrong with being dark.

There are some beautiful darkskinned sistas out here.

alicia banks said...

laurel:

see what a dirty bastard ut is?

he makes you correct his hue error
and then says your correction is evidence of bragging?

he is truly a snake and i thank god for being the anti-venom for vicious vipers like uts and diced icy icy

Anonymous said...

darkbrownsteve said...
"For the last time I'm not Dark-Skinned."

Is it me or doth Laurel protest too much?"


Give it up Jughead, you ain't getting none of that sweet redbone ass!

Laurel said...

Uptown Steve wrote:

"There are some beautiful darkskinned sistas out here".

So the issue isn't that there aren't any beautiful dark-skinned black women as you originally asserted.

It's now that only SOME dark-skinned "sistas" are beautiful??

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!


Steve see how foolish you sound??

Ha Ha

Please entertain me some more with your empty, self-hating rhetoric.

I'm loving it!

You truly help make Field's blog more interesting.

alicia banks said...

laurel:

ditto!


see what a dirty bastard UTS is???

u have slain him

and he is used to puppeting women who look like you against dark sistas...not getting dark bruises from being beaten down by a two toned tag team like us!!!

most women just ignore rabidly sexist colorstruck dumstruck oj clones on crack like him

uptownsteve said...

"It's now that only SOME dark-skinned "sistas" are beautiful??"

Right. You seen AB's picture?

Sorry AB.

Laurel threw me a fastball down the middle.

alicia banks said...

laurel:

from a textbook colorist like uts...
"some" = best he can ever say about women who look like himself and his mama etc...

god made warriors for all posts

i prefer the front line trenches where i wallow with the best and come up solo with ONLY corpses in tow... and clean up well!

maria said...

Thrasher said...
Yawn....This type of chatter make a nigger wanna hollar and throw up both my hands.....

I shall return when the chatter warrants my presence...


BTW Rev. Wright is on the money yet again...

2:28 PM

hey, what up, thrasher.
lest anyone think only women are guilty of this, you attacked david mills (UBM) repeatedly for not being black.

alicia banks said...

uts

your avatar looks like beatlejuice dipped in feces

so
spare me your arrogant "insults"

http://webspace.webring.com/people/rm/monicasass/ALICIAS-PHOTOS.htm

alicia banks said...

beetlejuice = uts

even down to the suit & tie

http://www.amazon.com/Beetlejuice-P-S-Clam-VHS/dp/0790742322/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1274208560&sr=8-6

uptownsteve said...

BTW Laurel,

When did I say or even suggest this?

"So the issue isn't that there aren't any beautiful dark-skinned black women as you originally asserted."

Anonymous said...

I think UTS and AB would make a nice couple. You could even put Laurel in the middle and make turkey on rye love sandwich!

Laurel said...

tee hee hee

alicia banks said...

assnon:

you would only make a wish sandwich

as you are nothing

and any sandwich that includes you would leave a great void

as you are audibly perpetually dickless...you would keep said sandwich wishing for some meat!

Anonymous said...

I've always found really darker skin black people to be the worse. I think maybe it's the hateful complex they acquired because of societal hate against their dark complexion, so they flip it on others. The darker they are the more they tend to be extremely treacherous and dangerous if you as me. Darker skin blacks always did the worse damage to my life personally.

alicia banks said...

you sound like a brainless bigot wondering why black people are so angry?

hatred begets hatred

why are abused children so nervous? why are abused women so meek? why are women who wear burkas so hot and sweaty? why are cowardly scared faceless assnon bloggers so invisibly bold?....

yada yada yada
yellow belly!!!

uptownsteve said...

The above post was from Clarence Thomas.

Anonymous said...

alicia banks said..."[Racism, Sexism, Heterosexism and homophobia are] forms of human blindness [that] stem from the same root—an inability to recognize the notion of difference as a dynamic human force, one which is enriching rather than threatening to the defined self, when there are shared goals. … It is based upon the false notion that there is only a limited and particular amount of freedom that must be divided up between us, with the largest and juiciest pieces of liberty going to as spoils to the victor or the stronger. So instead of joining together to fight for more, we quarrel between ourselves for a larger slice of the one pie.” (“Scratching the Surface: Some Notes on Barriers to Women and Loving: ”)

2:05 PM


What a crock of feminist-lesbo bullshit.

Laurel said...

Uptownsteve wrote"

"BTW Laurel",

"When did I say or even suggest this?"

"So the issue isn't that there aren't any beautiful dark-skinned black women as you originally asserted."


Steve when did I say this?

"So the issue isn't that there aren't any dark-skinned black leaders as you originally asserted".


I believe my exact printed words were:

"Field,

Before I proceed here's a link from the Daily Beast in which General Colin Powell admits lighter-skinned Blacks are frequently chosen as Leaders over Dark-skinned Blacks.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-10/harry-reid-was-right/?cid=hp:mainpromo2


Field thank you for recognizing and validating concerns about negative perceptions within African-American culture regarding certain physical traits which still exist in today's society.

Thank you for also recognizing that the origins of such negative perceptions often come from within our own homes. (Black Community)

Its NO mistake that African-Americans (male & females) who don't inhabit strong African like physical features are often treated more favorably.

Like it or not, light-skinned and brown-skinned African-Americans with light colored eyes and straighter or natural curly hair textures ARE in fact treated more favorably than African-Americans with Darker skin color and Kinky hair textures whether we choose to admit it or not.

Light-skinned and brown-skinned African-Americans with light colored eyes and straight, wavy or natural curly hair textures are NOT only treated more favorably by White America, but also by Black America.

Blacks can NO longer continue to blame White America for our problems when it is us who set such foolish standards for Leadership based on skin color, hair texture, eye color, height, etc.,

For example:

The City of Atlanta recently elected its FIRST Dark-Skinned Black Mayor with Kinky hair (Kasim Reed) since Maynard Jackson was elected as Atlanta's first Black mayor back in the 1970's.

Medium to Lighter-skinned Brown people of color, with straight, wavy or natural curly hair and light colored eyes have been accepted into higher echelons of the American Black community since Slavery, just as Blacks who can pass for Whites.

This is nothing to boast about.

This is nothing yell from the rooftops.

Instead this standard for "BLACK LEADERSHIP" is something that should finally be eliminated from American Black Culture forever!

For those who don't believe me I challenge you to do your research.

Here's a list of notable light-skinned Blacks Leaders or Brown skinned Black Leaders with Straight, Wavy or Natural Curly hair textures and/or...lighter colored eye color.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was an exception to the skin color/ hair texture "Leadership Standard" appointed ONLY because he possessed such wonderful Oratory skills and....because its obvious he was truly annointed by God Almighty.

However even Dr. King himself chose to marry a Light-Skinned Black women with Natural Wavy hair.

(Whitney Houston is an exception just like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. because of her voice.)

Don't hate the messenger because I did NOT establish this foolish standard for "Black Leadership".


Vincent Ogé

Nat Turner

Frederick Douglass

Thurgood Marshall

Adam Clayton Powell, Jr

Dr. Charles Drew

Malcom X

Elijah Muhammad

Louis Farrakhan

Angela Davis

Maynard Jackson

Doug Wilder

Halle Berry

Coretta Scott King

Dorothy Dandridge

Eunice Walker Johnson

Cab Calloway

Mariah Carey

Lena Horne

Shirley Franklin

Colin Powell

Condoleeza Rice (Brown-skinned NOT dark-skinned but she doesn't have Straight, wavy or naturally curly hair)

Rev. Jeremiah Wright

President Barack Obama

Cory Booker

agape2010 said...

@ everyone on this blog:

" maria said...
you know it's real-- you can read it again and again on your own blog. among the guilty parties: MMM, laurel and agape."

maria is the first person on this post to go into attack mode to divide what could have been an extraordinary conversation amongst blacks on this blog...

And...

She is white....

This proves exactly what I stated in many earlier posts...and my first remark above.

Let me repeat...

"Colorism was introduced to blacks in this nation as a tool to divide us and we keep falling into the same trap...we continue that despicable way of life to our detriment."

Let me add that is was introduced by white people (men)...

Or in this case/post...

A white woman.

Whites suffer from ascribing division to blacks by color as much as blacks divide themselves...

Peace.
~agape2010~

alicia banks said...

clueless assnon:

dark blacks are dually abused...even moreso by other blacks than by whites

ie

uts is always a perfect example

he would never hire alek wek or gabby sidibe...but superior white men do

Anonymous said...

Maria may be white, but darkbrownsteve says she got a nice round ass.

alicia banks said...

correction agape:

race is a state of mind

uts is MUCH whiter than maria

it was not maria
it was uts

who dismissed centuries of colorism as a issue between 2 dark women...

one of whom is actually yellow but darker than uts will ever be!!!

fyi

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123f1d7832f860f.html

alicia banks said...

alicia keys
halle barry
paula patton
huey newton
bruce dixon
john brown
maria
thurgood marshall
ETC...

all are deep ebony blue black compared to that euro sexist fugly dog uts!!!

Laurel said...

Alicia,

Listen if someone is going to misquote me do you think its wise to do it when what I wrote is clearly listed above, written earlier today?

tee hee hee

I can hear "Uptownsteve" mumbling to himself right now:

"man why did I do something so stupid to a nice person who was just expressing her personal views like the rest of us who visit Field's Blog?"

tee hee hee

Anonymous said...

AB: I thik your inner het is struggling to get out, and what you really want is UTS to put the wood to ya.

alicia banks said...

cornel west
mike dyson
aaron mcgruder
etc...

all make uts look like as white casper!!!!

Anonymous said...

alicia banks said...
he would never hire alek wek or gabby sidibe...but superior white men do

3:01 PM


I know I would hire Gabby. Maybe to try and use her fat ass to plug that oil leak in the Gulf.

LACoincidental said...

Alright kids, break it up. ;-)

The bigger issue is our lack of self-love as a people, and the overall hatred of Dark Skin within our society. The biggest purchasers of skin lightener are in the Caribbean and on the Continent.



We need to learn to love ourselves, regardless of skin tone. As asson@2:53 pointed out, there's a lot of animosity from dark-skinned Black folks toward lighter skinned folks. (Go read Clarence Thomas' crazy biography.)


And for all the knee-jerk Obama-haters out there -- the fact that he has a dark skinned Black white should give you a clue about how the man views himself.

His politics often suck, but can we get off the whole "He's not Black enough" nonsense? He obviously sees himself as a Black man.

alicia banks said...

ditto laurel

uts deliberately misquotes everything
___

assnon/uts:

only in your psycho white assed dreams!!!

and you would have to buy that wood at home depot you dickless oj drone!

uptownsteve said...

Oh this is hopeless.

Where do these friggin nuts come from?

Laurel sez

"Steve when did I say this?

"So the issue isn't that there aren't any dark-skinned black leaders as you originally asserted".

Right after she shrieks this:

"Instead this standard for "BLACK LEADERSHIP" is something that should finally be eliminated from American Black Culture forever!

For those who don't believe me I challenge you to do your research.

Here's a list of notable light-skinned Blacks Leaders or Brown skinned Black Leaders with Straight, Wavy or Natural Curly hair textures and/or...lighter colored eye color."

So what the f are you implying except that the standard for black leadership is light/bright/damn near white and that there are no examples of dark skinnned black leadership.

Which I have proved to be false.

Jee-suz.

BTW sweetie, save the drama.

You aren't even lightskinned.

Lightskinned black women are usually either bragging about how fine they are or complaining about how darkskinned blacks treat them.

Your conversation is straight from the dark skin sista textbook.

Why are you trying to be something other than what you are?

Anonymous said...

LACoincidental said...
"Alright kids, break it up. ;-)"

Is that your picture? All I sees is black!

alicia banks said...

hey lac:

slave masters had blue black concubines...it did nothing for their politics

i remain unimpressed by hobama's black beard...no matter how great they look smiling for white camera crews


slavery proves that no man ever politicizes his penis...just like bell hooks said

as strom thurmond!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/book/6a0123ddb39306860b01347ef2302f860b.html

Laurel said...

Agape2010 wrote:

" maria said...
you know it's real-- you can read it again and again on your own blog. among the guilty parties: MMM, laurel and agape."

maria is the first person on this post to go into attack mode to divide what could have been an extraordinary conversation amongst blacks on this blog...

And...

She is white....

This proves exactly what I stated in many earlier posts...and my first remark above.

Let me repeat...

"Colorism was introduced to blacks in this nation as a tool to divide us and we keep falling into the same trap...we continue that despicable way of life to our detriment."

Let me add that is was introduced by white people (men)...

Or in this case/post...
A white woman.

Whites suffer from ascribing division to blacks by color as much as blacks divide themselves"...


Agape2010 is Maria supposed to be the White woman coming to our rescue?

Does the fact that she's white make her opinion anymore intellectual than our opinions?

No personal offense to Maria but Agape2010 used your comments as a mode of defense.

alicia banks said...

lac:

r u kidding?

if hobama is so black, why does he evade a black agenda?

calling mlk by name in any speech???

all black issues except black dad bashing???

etc...

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/decoding-obama-blackish-evasions-on-black-betrayals.html

alicia banks said...

decoding uts:

"you sound too strong to be a black girl...you must be lonely and alone if you do not let me worship your yellow skin in silence...never side with a lesbian or you are gay too!!!....only 2 dark girls could whip my dark ass like this...i hate my face...but i hate my dark mama's face even more...BOOO!!!"


he is one fake oj joker!!!

alicia banks said...

hey lac:

lou dobbs has a latina wife

and so does jeb bush

does that make them mexicans????

alicia banks said...

hey lac:

if hobama is so black

why is he pimping al sharpton as his bottom bitch/black vote czar/street team cheerleader/2012 veep etc????

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/link/6a0123ddb39306860b01240bcb2eb2860e.html

Laurel said...

LACoincidental,

Your observation is right on.

Uptownsteve,

Your comments scream of Envy and Self-Hatred.

Its obvious either you don't like yourself or you wish you looked like me, had my hair texture or my eye color.

Let all the Brown-Skinned sistas say yeah!!

Alicia,

tee hee hee. Your still my girl and I still have your back.

Don't let guys like Steve with obvious Self-Esteem issues make you lose your cool.

He's just a person who visits Field's Blog for the sole purpose of trying to make others feel inferior.

He's one of those characters who doesn't have the balls to tell off the White man who mistreats him or other Brothers who may mistreat him.

Thus he thinks he can come on here and berate a sista or try to attack Black Women who are Bold, Intelligent and Proud.

This time he didn't win!

Notice I didn't get down and dirty with him because that's what he wanted me to do.

This time "Uptownsteve" didn't win but...

I still respect his opinion even if I DON'T agree.

holla!

alicia banks said...

ditto laurel...

thanks

i am a fiery leo though...i stay furious with such hellish fools!

i was divinely designed to take extreme heat!

smile

alicia banks said...

ditto re uts' voice

i loathe his sexism and colorism and racism and insanity and homohatred and moronism...

but i would kill to let him keep on supremely displaying it all so openly and incessantly herein!!!!

i prefer my enemies/prey exposed in wide open sprawling fields as all peer lionesses do always....

Laurel said...

:)

tee hee hee

Alicia just be mindful my sister that despite what makes us unique or our different hues, as a people (the Black Community) United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

Its too bad Steve forgot such an important fact of life.

Peace my beautiful sister and God Bless

alicia banks said...

laurel:

the one thing i love about hobama is that he is a leo too

ONLY a leo would be bold enough to play a hoax on the entire globe!

smile

Anonymous said...

Laurel said..."Your still my girl and I still have your back."
3:26 PM


That's a good way to get hair all over your nice clothes.

uptownsteve said...

All The RugMunchers in the House SAY

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

And you don't stop

Somebody Scream!!!!!

alicia banks said...

ditto laurel

but the revolution will come only via the chosen few

the masses will benefit
but all are not intended to be saved

i will rejoice as some like uts and diced icy icy perish...

Anonymous said...

poor toobrownsteve....give a brother a break!

mellaneous said...

Field I think you were being prophetic with the opening line of your post.You are right my brother "it always opens up to all kinds of craziness from black folks. Honestly, I would avoid it if I could, because lord knows we- as black folks- have enough stuff that divides us."

I think the most interesting part of the study were the conclusions drawn here (from the CNN website):

"All kids on the one hand are exposed to the stereotypes" she said. "What's really significant here is that white children are learning or maintaining those stereotypes much more strongly than the African-American children. Therefore, the white youngsters are even more stereotypic in their responses concerning attitudes, beliefs and attitudes and preferences than the African-American children."

Spencer says this may be happening because "parents of color in particular had the extra burden of helping to function as an interpretative wedge for their children. Parents have to reframe what children experience ... and the fact that white children and families don't have to engage in that level of parenting, I think, does suggest a level of entitlement. You can spend more time on spelling, math and reading, because you don't have that extra task of basically reframing messages that children get from society."


Ironically, black parents don't always prepare their children for the world that their children will have to face no matter how much we wish it wasn't the way it is. When black parents fail to educate their children about their history in the world, in the US and the reality that some folks harbor deep seated prejudices, they are setting up their children for heartbreak.

I have seen the results of this ignorance played out on a few occassions and it has not gone well for the naive victim, who somehow assumed that there was no such thing as race prejudice and that the majority of whites are going to accept them in their club no matter how qualified.

alicia banks said...

assnon:

do not hate my long lovely soft nappy natural locks just because your bald head shines more brightly than uts' ignorance!

____

uts

sorry boys make mindless chants

real warriors sing redemption songs and make battle cries

chant on charlatan!
chant on

i do think it is cool after getting your ass doubly beat down all day...u went out like a lyrical loser!....kudos!!!

Laurel said...

Alicia wrote:

"laurel:

the one thing i love about hobama is that he is a leo too

ONLY a leo would be bold enough to play a hoax on the entire globe!"

Girl you are so right

But guess what?

I'm a Leo too!

Ha ha

God Almighty gifted us (Leos) with our Bold personalities to help those who need it most, NOT to crush fools.

alicia banks said...

hey uts:

there you go again

telling us how miserable and bored your unmunched wife is in bed...chant that!

Anonymous said...

alicia banks said...
"hey uts:

there you go again

telling us how miserable and bored your unmunched wife is in bed...chant that!"


I'll bet your rug looks like drowned muskrat.

Anonymous said...

I'll bet it smells like one, too.

alicia banks said...

assnon/uts:


u r a lewd fan

you obsess over my rug because you are rugless

that muskrat would be the putrid rodent that that squeezed you out...why is your mama on your floor????

LACoincidental said...

AB - Obama is Black. Get over the nonsense.

UTS - Stop making fun of AB.

Ok, I want to address the whole idea of Alicia's for so-called 'Black Agenda'. In short -- people who are pissy that Obama isn't demanding reparations need to get their heads out their behinds.

First of all. Other than favorite radical rallying cries like Mumia and reparations, what in a so-called Black agenda wouldn't the concern of working class whites or Latinos? The answer -- nothing. That's not how the game is played anymore -- isolated identity politics went out with the dashiki. Who in this modern political climate would feel its smart to start a resource cat fight with Latinos and Labor unions?


And he's the President of the United States, not just the President of Black people. Its not his job to carry our niche concerns -- that's your federal representatives' job. If there's no Black Agenda being brought forward -- kick your Congressman and Senator to the curb.

Here's an idea -- instead of waiting for Obama, Bush, Clinton or the Great Pumpkin to take up our agenda (which, BTW, many Black folks wouldn't agree with, even in the fields), how about we work with others with common cause (gays, immigrants, environmentalists, etc.) to make a encompassing progressive agenda and push that and make our representatives do their jobs?

Conservatives are out of touch, mean-spirited and sometimes a little crazy. But I'll credit them for knowing when its time to play ball. Progressives still think that its 1972 -- every sliver of an interest group for themselves.


This idea of a hyper tribalism on the Left is what cripples all of us.

alicia banks said...

assnon:

your dreams of sniffing me only surpass those of you seeing my rug...

neither will ever come true...i feel your pain...best i can do

so u will have to call orkin about your dead reeking mammy

alicia banks said...

lac:

if hobama is prez of the usa

and hobama has an agenda for latinos and gays and gm and banks and jews etc...

why is it ONLY blacks seeking an agenda who are being tribal traitors????

why is everyone else who ask him for anything else being reponsible voters except poor blacks????

wake up you masochostic suicidal evader!!!

mellaneous said...

-Laurel I would dispute your list of black leaders. I would also take issue with your narrow and limited view on colorism.

In all my years (and I have been an activist during most and a journalist and on the cutting edge of black affairs and thought) I have never heard Coretta Scott King identified as light-skinned.

I think it would be fair to say that she is not dark, but light skinned I don't believe fits.

I also have never seen Frederick Douglass as light skinned. He is a lighter brown, but I don't think he could be categorized as light skinned.

And Rev Wright was the pastor of just one church. I don't think its right to suggest that he would not be pastor if he were not a lighter skinned brother. I don't see how that fits your point, unless you are implying that churches should call pastors based on some color requirement.

Anyway that part of your argument has a tremendous hole in it since there are thousands of black pastors of every hue and complexion.

But it makes my point that we do indeed have to move on from this, and I mean also the folks that want to make an issue out of it in every case when its not always a part of the decision making process. Most light skinned folks are indeed and were indeed qualified for their task.

And I think this is a very complex issue but it doesn't move us forward and help us to solve the myriad problems that we face as black folks in the US. In actuality it has the potential to divide us further. Trust me during more activist times folks didn't sit around thinking lets elect the light skinned brother to lead the protest because he is light skinned. It simply didn't happen that way.

uptownsteve said...

LAC

"First of all. Other than favorite radical rallying cries like Mumia and reparations, what in a so-called Black agenda wouldn't the concern of working class whites or Latinos? The answer -- nothing. That's not how the game is played anymore -- isolated identity politics went out with the dashiki. Who in this modern political climate would feel its smart to start a resource cat fight with Latinos and Labor unions?"

Thanks LAC.

Don't expect any answers to your questions though.

A few months back we were engaged in a bm/protofemme blog battle and you said this:

"The Assata Wannabe: A straight up mau-mau loon who looks for conspiracies everywhere. They snub their noses at most Black folks for not thinking like them. They look for racism everywhere, even when there is no "there" there. They think they're in the field's with the rest of us, but they're off the plantation barking at the moon.......they nitpick every detail of life for some pro-Black POV."

Guess what brutha?

THEY'RE HEEEEEEEERE!

alicia banks said...

lac:

the "we are the world/hope & change" bs campaign slogans have failed...move on!!!!

ie

black gays have a progressive agenda...

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2010/05/14/letting-the-troops-decide/

BUT

how will that help ONE black hood we live in and return to after we live our gay orgs??????

mellaneous said...

--Laurel

Should the black community and later all communities who were feeling the anti-capitalist and anti-racist message of Malcolm X, have rejected him because he was lighter skinned.

Let me put it another way. Was there someone more qualified at the time who should have taken the leadership mantle that Malcolm X took first in the Nation of Islam and later when he broke from them and developed an internationlist as well as nationalist position?

Did Julian Bond step over a more qualified darker skinned brother when he was elected to the Georgia legislature or when he took over the reigns of the NAACP? Was their someone darker in that region who was better at articulating the needs of black people at the time?

Did Adam Clayton Powell steal the mantle for a more able dark skinned brother who was much more capable of fighting for civil rights legislation?

I think your assessment is off and you make too much of this. It is not as prevalent as before in our community and its important to note that part of the problem is that this colorism is enforced stringently in the majority community, which makes it harder to go away.

However to be fair, I think that there are some folks who try to enforce these color qualifications especially some of the old monied folks among the black upper middle class and black bourgeoisie. But we have to work around it.

What are lighter skinned black folks to do if they are preferred in commercials and in Hollywood than darker skinned black folks?

I think Laurel we just have to do the best we can to embrace all of our members, but we don't help by highlighting these difference many of which have been unconsciously thrust upon our unconscious minds.

alicia banks said...

uts:

you are unfit to even utter assata's name

as if you HAVE done a thing to help dark people????

shoo jacked up oj!!!

_____


lac:

latinos and poor whites do NOT share any of the stats that slay blacks
ie
prisons
single parents
teen pregnancy
aids
horrid hoods
jobless stats
horrid schools

slumlords like valeri jarret and hobama inc etc

NONE as severe as blacks

"There is nothing so unequal as the equal treatment of unequal people"

thomas jefferson
he knew!!!

alicia banks said...

"Wisdom comes from listening to what the heart already knows"

hey uts:

i just figured out why you are such a hopeless moron...you heartless deaf colorist bastard!!!!

alicia banks said...

lac:

how will that help ONE black hood we live in and return to after we LEAVE our gay orgs??????


crocks of bs work well during campaigns...
but
after a year of banker bailouts. and bloody wars...not so much

mellaneous said...

LAC said:
"how about we work with others with common cause (gays, immigrants, environmentalists, etc.) to make a encompassing progressive agenda and push that and make our representatives do their jobs?"

Ditto LAC I agree with this statement and with your statement about all the infighting and narrowness of leftist groups. I think you are right we have to work with others who have similar agendas. But while you seem to be really hard on progressives, I personally know that there have been many coalitions of progressives and folks who are decidely anti-capitalist. I think they are deserving of your criticism, but you should also know that in some regions folks have come together from different ethnic groups -including whites- to work for serious change around issues relevant to the community.

In fact there has been some good organizing around the immigrant rights issues in which forward thinking blacks whites, Latinos, Asians and others have been working together. I know I have been part of these coalitions.

LAC you also said: "what in a so-called Black agenda wouldn't the concern of working class whites or Latinos? The answer -- nothing.

Actually my brother, racism aimed at black folks is something that black folks have to uniquely struggle with, now and have had to since blacks were enslaved because of their color and later terrorized and segregated because of their color.

mellaneous said...

AB great quote "There is nothing so unequal as the equal treatment of unequal people"

and Ditto the severity of the effect of the misery index on blacks it is definitely more severe for black folks.

alicia banks said...

seen this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/18/racial-wealth-gap-whites_n_580589.html

this is why their MUST be a BLACK agenda from hobama!!!!

no mercy

no more votes!!!!

alicia banks said...

mell

i pasted that rushing

i think it is a typo

i always used/saw:

"nothing is as unethical as the equal treatment of unequal people"

i like that better!

hobama's brutal policies have made us more unequal than ever!!!!

may god bless us all during this long hot hungry homeless summer of 2010!!!

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/usnews/ci_15082283

Laurel said...

Mellaneous,

Yawn!

I respect allllll that you just wrote don't agree but I respect your right to express your opinion.

However...

If "Colorism" within the Black community is no big deal or no longer exists, why did it take you 1,709 words to say whatever it was you just wrote?

Were you trying to shed light on an intelligent point not already mentioned in Field's post or already listed above or...

were you simply attempting to "bring me down" in a subtle manner?

Let's just the latter was not accomplished.

However...I still respect your opinion.

Your right Steve!

Its good to know you finally decided to "Out" yourself on a Blog read by thousands of people each day.

God Bless All

I just love Field's Blog:)

alicia banks said...

lac:

obama is half black

and his brutally amoral elitist policies are 100% white as hell!!!!

whiter and harsher than gwb's!!!

wake up!!!!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b0123de3438ab860d.html

Laurel said...

"Let's just say the latter was not accomplished".

Oops! Typo

alicia banks said...

lac:

hobama was chosen so that white supremacy and imperialism and the new world order could become more ruthless than ever....

anytime i see someone pretending racism is a relic or that hobama nazism is patriotism as u ALWAYS do...i lament how well that masterplan is working

it was sheer genius

find someone to be bush but be hipper and blacker...and he will not be called a fascist but a rock star!

and it is working perfectly for most who are as blind as u....
tragic!!!!!!

alicia banks said...

he will not be called a callous racist but a colorless prez...shame!!!!!

Laurel said...

Alicia,

Your right. They are.

Just because he's the FIRST Black President doesn't mean we should give him a pass.

Why is it okay for him to recognize Hispanic & Jews by nominating Sotomayor & Elena Kagan for the U.S. Supreme Court.

Okay for him to recognize Arabs & Muslims.

Okay for him to even recognize the Irish but....

We foolish Blacks should NOT expect him to help or recognize us too?

I call Bull on that one!

It's high time the Black community STOP electing Black Leaders simply for symbolic purposes only.

Its times we demand they actually do something for their ethnic group once they get into Public Office.

This is why I rarely vote for Black Leaders.

Call me whatever you will.

Why should I vote for someone just because he or she is Black?

I partially agree with LAC.

While its true we should carefully demand more from our elected Local and congressional leaders, we should also demand more from our President.

And yes he is OUR President because Blacks are also included in America's Melting Pot.

mellaneous said...

Laurel said:

were you simply attempting to "bring me down" in a subtle manner?
Let's just the latter was not accomplished.

You may not be familiar with my style sister so let me say clearly that it is never,never, never ever my intention to bring you down. It would make a very bad preacher/activist.

Is not my attention to offend.

I was just stating and making my case. And I think I made it. And I was not saying that colorism does not exist of course it does. I was trying to make the point that we have to figure out ways to unite, Lord knows we have enough things dividing us. I was also trying to make the point that maybe you made too much of your point because the folks you named were more than qualified to hold the position of leadership that they held and thank God for some of them.

Now those who attack black folks or working people and don't have their interests at heart, those folks I might attack or try to bring down as you say.

We are sometimes debating sometimes discussing sometimes discussing and so in that context I might seem a bit forthright but nothing more is meant by it.

Arguments polemics sometimes however do get sharp at times.

I am glad you respect "my right" to disagree with you. I try to not talk about what I don't know so I am just responding with my informed opinion.

BTW I always assume folks have the right to say what they want. I just think folks should also be willing to bear the consequences.

alicia banks said...

he will not be called a warmonger but a peace prized war prez...shame!!!!!!

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/newspeak-in-norway-obama-declares-war-is-peace.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/video/6a0123ddb39306860b01347eebd48c860b.html

http://aliciabanks.vox.com/library/post/dr-cornel-west-is-my-hero-1.html

uptownsteve said...

"Actually my brother, racism aimed at black folks is something that black folks have to uniquely struggle with, now and have had to since blacks were enslaved because of their color and later terrorized and segregated because of their color."

I agree but I thought we've moved into the "post-racial" era..ie..."No more complaining negroes because Obama is President and Oprah is the daytime queen."

Why are Laurel and AB, the "Weather Girls" of the blogoshpere still discussing ME?

Helps to cool their booties off?

YA THINK?

regina said...

the fat cow has returned with the usual talking points of colorism

fuck this m a l i g n a n t n a r c i s s i s t asshole

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