Here in Killadelphia we are used to murders and carnage. Usually the killings are relegated to the second or third page of the Metro section of our local paper. But every now and then we get a story that is so shocking and outrageous that it shocks the conscience of even the most jaded among us; and, as a result, the news from our little corner of the world goes national.
(The Lex Street killings come to mind.)
So the latest story out of Killadelph which became national news is the one where a thug took it up on himself to bike-jack a citizen and proceeded to try and get away on the bike while his accomplice drove a car. You all know the rest of the story by now: In doing so, they drove the getaway car into a crowd of children, killing three of them and a young mother.
Of course, now comes the usual finger pointing. The citizens of my fair city are outraged that these career criminals could be back out on the street. (Yes, I know the driver of the car was only 18, but he started young.) They want someone to pay for this unspeakable tragedy.
But.....well, here is a little sampling of what is being written in our local paper:
"..Cradock's stepbrother and alleged accomplice, Ivan Rodriguez, 20, was formally charged yesterday with murder and other crimes, and was being held without bail.
Cathie Abookire, spokeswoman for District Attorney Lynne M. Abraham, said Rodriguez had been scheduled for a preliminary hearing on Wednesday on four counts of murder, four counts of homicide by motor vehicle, conspiracy, robbery, gun charges, and other offenses.
As relatives and neighbors struggled to cope with the sudden carnage that claimed four lives, they vented outrage that two young men with troubling criminal histories had been free in their midst. Both had outstanding bench warrants for their arrests.
Cathie Abookire, spokeswoman for District Attorney Lynne M. Abraham, said Rodriguez had been scheduled for a preliminary hearing on Wednesday on four counts of murder, four counts of homicide by motor vehicle, conspiracy, robbery, gun charges, and other offenses.
As relatives and neighbors struggled to cope with the sudden carnage that claimed four lives, they vented outrage that two young men with troubling criminal histories had been free in their midst. Both had outstanding bench warrants for their arrests.
Cradock, who lived with his mother a few blocks away in the 300 block of East Rockland Street, had eight prior arrests dating to age 12, five involving gun violations, according to police.Cradock's most recent arrest was April 2, 2006, a case that involved the armed robbery of a pack of beer from a pedestrian near Cradock's home in Feltonville. Cradock was adjudicated delinquent and began the first of several placements through Family Court in juvenile treatment facilities, most recently at Summit Academy, a residential facility and school north of Pittsburgh.
Cradock had been granted a home pass by Summit in April but failed to return. Summit contacted Family Court and a bench warrant was issued by Administrative Judge Kevin M. Dougherty on April 15.
Yesterday, court officials rejected claims by Vanessa Cradock, who raised both boys, in an interview Thursday with NBC10. Cradock said that when her son failed to return to Summit, she called his probation officer and asked that he be taken into custody. No one picked up her son, Cradock said."
NO ONE PICKED UP HER SON? I know you all see where I am going with this. Vanessa Cradock and the piece of shit sperm donor who made a deposit and got up are to blame; no one else. I am sick of these people not taking responsibility for their own children.
Vanessa, when you bring a child into this world, it's not the "probation department" or the courts who should be charged with doing what you should have been doing for 18 years, it's you. Blaming the institutions whose job it is to keep the rest of us safe from your son is foolish.
So now, four people are dead, and your son will never live with the other people in society for the rest of his miserable life.
Today it's Vanessa Cradock and tomorrow it will be someone else. The beat goes on, and so do the killings.
156 comments:
Sperm and egg donors...
And, the rest of us suffer because of them.
Way before this occurred his family should have been on his ass. All those priors before an adult? This madness starts so early. I see it in the early child care environment-people think it's cute to have little thugs/thugettes in training.
As your child/or the child(ren)you have guardianship over skips school, hangs out with losers and doesn't work but dresses like he has somewhere to go- open your god damn eyes!
Rehabilitation for many criminals doesn't work. Success lessens if nothing in his external enviroment changes and if parents don't make him follow rules for most of his life.
Well now there will be plenty of ime to discuss what should have been done.
It's craziness like this that solidifies my disbelief in a higher being/power- the cruelness and resulting suffering of others is not a 'miracle', 'blessing', 'gift', 'or an act of mercy'.
When my son was twelve he was running all over the place, he was arrested and I when I went to court, the judge was going to release him but, I told the judge my son was out of control and I couldn't handle him, the judge was very understanding, I wanted my son to be in juvenile hall to teach him a lesson, two week's later I went back to court out of guilt, I couldn't speak to the judge but I was able to speak to the CLERK, i didn't know how the system worked, I told the clerk I was in court to see if my son could be released, the clerk said "no, your son is in the system now" when he spoke those word's I almost fainted, most mother's are very protective of their son's, and to some mother's their son's can do no harm, they will defend them to the end, they can be murderer's, and everything else, I never upheld my son in his wrong doing, and trust me he did his share of stealing, most mother's with wayward children will alway's find a way to put it on the other person, and when you do that, your child will never stop his behavior, it's hard as a parent to see your son behind bar's but, if you really care about your child's well being you will do whatever it take's to keep them off the street, so they wont's end up dead, or killing some innocent person, and I get so sick and tired of people saying "well they didn't get any love when they were growing up" or they didn't have a father in the household, most kid's can get all the love in the world and still turn out to be murderer's, and the father can be in the household and yet, their child just refuse to obey!
Field,
I am in total agreement regarding how casually many kids are brought into this world. There is no racial component in that, it goes for everyone.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but if the kid had an outstanding warrant, couldn't Vanessa just go down to the local doughnut vendor and tell a cop? That is only a half serious question, guessing that the relationship between the gendarme an the local populace is not good. All snark aside, there are people dead who might be alive today had Vanessa exercised a bit of judgment. Under the circumstances I realize that makes me sound hopelessly naive.
So much crime now is like real life as a video game. & Vanessa is just spinning a variation on the idea that if you ain't caught, you ain't guilty.
Bro. Field,
After reading your post tonight (Sat., June 13), I've decided to approach you with a pact. WE MUST, IN OUR OWN WAY, USE OUR WEBSITES TO MERCILESSLY ATTACK THE " ENEMIES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITIES ", AS WELL AS OPPRESSION THAT OCCURS FROM THE OUTSIDE.
Like myself, you're tired of a certain element of our society being treated as "sacred cows." There are even people that are beginning to refer to gangs as so-called "street organizations."
ABSOLUTELY SICKENING !
Bro, if you only knew what I'd do with violent brothers, and young girls who have babies irresponsibly. I AM AN AVID SUPPORTER OF FORCED STERILIZATION BEING OFFERED AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO 10-YEAR-MINIMUM PRISON SENTENCES FOR "UNDESIRABLE" PEOPLE IN OUR MIDST.
The KKK aint got NOTHING on the "brothers" (and dumb sisters) in our communities. Humor and shame are great tools for changing a culture. Since you and I both reach relatively large audiences of people, we should "shame shameful folks without shame :0)"...pun intended.
Vanessa, when you bring a child into this world, it's not the "probation department" or the courts who should be charged with doing what you should have been doing for 18 years, it's you. Blaming the institutions whose job it is to keep the rest of us safe from your son is foolish.
No shit. Bravo, Field.
I AM AN AVID SUPPORTER OF FORCED STERILIZATION BEING OFFERED AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO 10-YEAR-MINIMUM PRISON SENTENCES FOR "UNDESIRABLE" PEOPLE IN OUR MIDST.
I don't see why sterilization is relevant in deterring violent crime. I'd support it for the parents of children who are produced and then supported by the taxpayer, but there will be a problem: The percentage of such children is three times higher among black people than among white people.
I think the result of a forced sterilization program would be accusations of genocide by some black folks. Therefore, before we ever tried that idea, I think there would have to be very strong support among black people, or it would fail.
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Where my Shaquanda Cotton, and Mychal Bell Negroes at?
Field, you are one of them kind of Negroes, aren't you?
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Dumb comment # 1.
" I don't see why sterilization is relevant in deterring violent crime."
Answer:
Sterilization would prevent children from being born into communities where violence is the norm.
Dumb comment # 2.
I'd support it for the parents of children who are produced and then supported by the taxpayer, but there will be a problem: The percentage of such children is three times higher among black people than among white people. "
Answer:
These number apply to POOR whites, and POOR Negros, NOT THE MAJORITY. Outside of problem communities, no discernable differences exist between Blacks and whites.
Dumb comment # 3.
"I think the result of a forced sterilization program would be accusations of genocide by some black folks."
Answer:
And ? Some of our folks are as senseless as our white brethren. Since MOST Black ARE LIVING PRODUCTIVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF THE GHETTO, THESE CLAIMS OF GENOCIDE WOULD BE FOOLISH. The beautifully diverse Negro community would only become more beautiful, because we'd be separating the wheat from the chafe, and preserving the cream of the crop.
Dumb comment # 4.
" Therefore, before we ever tried that idea, I think there would have to be very strong support among black people, or it would fail."
Answer:
" Stop listening to the religious wing of the Black community. There's a very strong SECULAR voice within the Negro empire. However, because they don't appeal to the "timid, religious victim" that whites love to pet, their presence in society is ignored.
I hope my efforts to educate you haven't fallen on deaf ears (or blind eyes).
Anonymous 3:34:
In my lifetime, I've met some cold-hearted calculating people, but you...you top the cake. And your so-called efforts to educate really sound even more ignorant than an illiterate fully grown person who has yet to learn their ABC's and selfish and self-centered to boot. I bet you've already made plans to execute your own momma and daddy, that is if you have one. I doubt that you were born myself, because there has never yet been a person born without a heart. However, in your case, it might be a possibility. You are a despicable person for even suggesting something like.
BTW, take your Eugenics somewhere else.
The doctor must have threw away the baby and kept the afterbirth in your case Anonymous 3:34.
Field, I don't know the answer. Haven't seen anyone put forward anything worthwhile yet, either. I suppose it would not hurt us to remember that it's only in the last - what? - 100 yrs that children were not seen as commodities, assets. Traded for land and business deals among the wealthy, used as help on farms, rented out as workers to more prosperous neighbors. Sent to the city to perform child labor. It seems as though among the very wealthy and powerful as well as among the very poor, children were not necessarily the cherished, the beloved, the protected we try to make them now - and which they most certainly should be, if we were truly "civilised". We just ain't quite there yet, are we? Maybe if were we real grown-ups, we'd do something about birth control and sex education. One fine day, eh?
Sarah Deere
Field,
Welcome to the enlightenment, lol. Looks like you have finally had enough.
In St. Louis, it's the Wild Wild f_cking West. A few weeks ago... there was a triple (or quadruple) murder in the heart of downtown after a Hip Hop event (how in the Hell can you revitalize a city if your downtown isn't safe?). Then last week...a very popular pub - an institution- in downtown was robbed (Maggie O'Brien's Irish Pub) resulting in the deaths of an employee and one of the suspects...who was shot accidentally by one of his partners during the botched holdup. Last week we also had another officer - Gregory Jonas- murdered (in the Illinois part of the Metro)..he was shot in the head and killed while serving the “Black Community“. He was just a few months from retirement. And just this weekend... another officer was shot...this one while off-duty. He was minding his own business...in street clothes...getting into his car to go home..when 2 thugs approached him announcing a robbery. He survived his wounds and was able to return fire. 2 black male suspects fled the area.
I don't know what to tell you. I have run out of good answers.
With the economy a wreck....and with Summer upon us, it's bound to get worse. But i'm more concerned about the long term. Where are we going... as Marvin Gaye put it?
One thing that I do know... it's time for Black folks and the so-called "Black Community" to start taking responsibility for their own Bull---t.
Crazy Negroes are still walking around expecting Obama to make everything better in their communities and in this almost sadistic Black Culture. That isn't going to happen....and was never going to happen. I've been trying to give Black folks the bad news since the Summer of 2008...but folks don't seem to want to hear that message.
Sarah Deere:
"children were not necessarily the cherished, the beloved, the protected we try to make them now -and which they most certainly should be, if we were truly "civilised".
You got that right. Some of these folks now with their twisted, warped, and evil minds want to eliminate children and old people. Black children seem to be a priority on their list. Nah, America is not civilized, it is the most barbaric nation in the world with barbaric people.
When parents were chastising their children, that wasn't good enough for the time-out folks. However, training them when their young is what needed to be done. You train a child by putting something real good on their behinds a few times. I guarantee you if they put it on there good enough, all they'd have to do is give them that look and they'd fall in line.
Nah, but their argument is it makes a kid violent. Yes, it would make them violent if you beating with your fist or using objects that you could physically injure them with. A good switch off a tree will do. You don't have to beat them half to death to make them do right and respect authority. However, if you tan their hide with a switch real good a few times, it wouldn't have to worry about using it again. They'd straighten up and get some act right. All you'd have to do is give them that look. Not no branch, but a thin switch.
In addition, parents need to stop trying to be their friend. Your not their friend, your their parent. It's a difference. You can be friends when they get grown and have their own kids or get out on their own.
Then they argue that I give my kid time out and just talk to them. Yeah, okay, here's how that works, when they get grown they'll turn around and treat you like you're a kid. Or like you have a tail on you and show you no respect. They won't have time for you, because you showed them no discipline while they were growing up. Some of them will even murder you or physically abuse you. One thing, they won't be saying is this when their peers want to act up in school or commit a crime is, "No, I can't or won't because my mother would get me." Instead, they,ll be taking them up on their offer or cutting up in school because they have no respect for authority.
I used to watch some of these mothers on the talk shows, who turned to the boot camps for help. The kid would sit on national tv and talk to the woman who birthed them in the world like they had a tail on them. My children are grown, I have nieces and nephews that are grown, and you couldn't pay them to pull that with me. In fact, they will tell you that's not a good idea. I don't play that. I couldn't do it to mine and I'm not going to let mine do it to me.
I wouldn't have pulled that with my own mother even when I had made twenty-one twice, because I knew better. But nah, keep on thinking that just talking is the solution.
Another problem now is kids raising kids. No way, it should be like that. Nowadays, women are acting more like cows, dropping in the field and going on about their business. Kids have to be nurtured and taught good habits and responsibility. An Idle mind is the devil's worshop; therefore, keep them busy.
All of what I said is old school, but it worked.
"Crazy Negroes are still walking around expecting Obama to make everything better in their communities"
I agree with you somewhat there. They act like he is a social worker, a community worker, activist, the police, their momma and daddy, DOJ, the Congress, and Lord knows what else. He is the President, they need to re-read the constitution and so they could see that none of that is in his job description. He is doing what he is supposed to be doing and that is only what's in his job description.
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One thing that I do know... it's time for Black folks and the so-called "Black Community" to start taking responsibility for their own Bull---t."
Either the Black Community can do this, or someone else will come along and do it for them. When that time comes, it'll be for the sole purpose of thinning out the Black population to mere shreds.
But no one wants to hear it. Everyone thinks that whatever's going on will keep on and keep on ad nauseam.
As for those talking about sterilization...........talk about opening one of the biggest Pandora's Boxes ever to be laid at our community's feet. The white powers-that-be (WPTB) just can't wait for the Black Community to willingly ask for the sterilization of the worst of it's members (like the man with 21 kids to different mothers), only to slowly but surely target anyone unfortunate enough to have a dark skin tone or African features.
There was a time some states would not pay for birth control, if you were on welfare, but would pay for the next child. I wonder if some women were offered to have their tubes tied after a birth of a child, how many would do it, and would the states pay for it. Also would the state subsidize a vasectomy for low income males. Public policy is a weird thing, we get squeamish about paying to help people with their reproductive choices or encouraging people to make choices; but have no problem using the public's money, pacifist or not, to pay for wars.
There is not sufficient education about sex, responsibility (you can teach ethics without religion), parenting and health in the schools. The argument that these things should be taught by the parents seems weak, since the problems of ignorance become public ones.
I couldn't believe my son, when he told me that the same myths about pregnancy still were prevalent among his peers, 40 years later.
There is no reason within our community we shouldn't talk about birth control, which would include voluntary sterilization. Our conversation does not have to include white people. It is not the same as genocide and the 60's revolutionary tome that using birth control is genocide is crap. Also this newly religious emphasis on a quiver full is dangerous to our community.
Parenting is learned behavior, and it is difficult to pass down behavior to the next generation when parents are children. Regardless of the good intentions they might have, if they are not mature enough to learn or to think it necessary to learn, we will not have another generation with any parenting skills. This is why I focus on trying to delay having children and people knowing they have choices. There should be also efforts to be made not to tie unprotected sex and having children to manhood.
"One thing that I do know... it's time for Black folks and the so-called "Black Community" to start taking responsibility for their own Bull---t."
The problem is that Black folks ONLY want to hear solutions from other Black people who are "left of center" which is, IMHO, absolutely ridiculous!!
I love what Hathor said, and I feel AI's frustration. Granny,I understand your compassion and the dangers that would come with something even close to forced sterilization. But.... I think it's at least time to have this debate.
Certainly family plannig should be discussed. We also need better education and more access to certain types of medical procedures for people in the lower economic bracket. Just thinking out loud people.
"s for those talking about sterilization...........talk about opening one of the biggest Pandora's Boxes ever to be laid at our community's feet. The white powers-that-be (WPTB) just can't wait for the Black Community to willingly ask for the sterilization of the worst of it's members (like the man with 21 kids to different mothers), only to slowly but surely target anyone unfortunate enough to have a dark skin tone or African features."
Lots of slipping and sliding on that slope.
Granny I agree with you.
I see it all the time. Parents think its cute when their 3 or 4 yr old tells them "no, shyt, dayum, come here, i aint going to do it" and many other profanities and negative statements. When the child is 8 he is on his way. By the time he is 10,12 he has been in juvenile (youth study ctr) court.
Then they expect me, the "social worker" or "probation officer" to fix the problems of the last 15 yr. The Mom is no longer concern because she feels her job is done.
FN,trust me when i tell you i am tired, but then i get a case(family) that renews my faith. I will continue to do my job to the best of my abilities. Hopefully, if i get a craddock or rodriquez, i may make a difference in their lives and their mother who is the one that really needs the help.
The advantage I get from commenting late is that someone else will do all the typing and say it better than I could. In this case, Hathor hit the bulls eye.
I support sterilization. I support early sex education. I support advocating for prevention of STD's and pregnancy. I also support the opportunity to choose an abortion if a woman desires. I think that after 3 children your ability to afford more should be considered before the State hands over any more money. In my Utopia world, the State would put children born to moms addicted to welfare in the foster care/adoption system, unless the biological parents (one or both) are able to afford and are mentally stable, non drug addicted, etc., to be responsible for them themselves.
But I also know this will never work because the stigma of out of wedlock, teen/young adult pregnancy no longer exists. If anything the youth are 'encouraged' to keep on having children even after one 'mistake'.
We, and we alone are responsible for the nonchalant attitude and careless, criminal behaviors that abound in our families and communities.
Granny, your probably a very nice person, but you live in the World of ideology.
Plain and simply put, the LAST thing impoverished people need children. Are we going to get rid of Christmas, so poor kids don't feel like "shizz", because OTHER children get ten times the amount of gifts they receive? How are poor parents, who may be under educated themselves, properly plan how to send their children to college?
See, people like you ARE the problem. All full of ideology, but when some (male or female), decides to have as many children as they want, REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYONE THINKS THEY SHOULD DO, you stammer and stutter when asked what should be done.
I don't know what it is that you like about the legalized creation of criminals, created by reckless breeding within broken cultures? Grandmom, do you know anything about the A.I.D.S. statistics? No, I didn't think so, because you don't reason with facts, just emotion.
Sterilization is a last resort, but it must be entertained due to where we are today. If you have any intelligent alternatives, please, enlighten me.
Sex education ; already doing that. Condoms ; can get them anywhere. B.E.T. ; corrupts our culture, and comes on every day. Gangster "crack" music, not going anywhere...too much money to be made by the powers to be. High unemployment in communities of color, what are you going to do about that, Granny? The drug culture, glamorized by celebrities, rappers, and clowns in the streets, Grandmom, cannot be addressed with long winded tirades full of ideology and emotion.
Therefore, forced sterilization IS the only realistic (REALISTIC being the key word) way of putting a dent in this sociological hurricane that exists in our society.
Grandmom, the Angry Independent reemphasizes my original point when he stated that " (how in the Hell can you revitalize a city if your downtown isn't safe?) "
Do you think " downtown " is the final destination ? The gang bang crowd USED to be happy with maiming, raping, and killing people in their own communities. However, Grandmom, populations are exploding, and this includes populations in impoverished places. When violent criminals get bored of broad-day shootings, what's next? What's going to keep them out of your synagogue? Your workplace? Your HOME !
My friends, it's time to wake up and face REALITY.
Ever heard of the M.S.-13 gang, Granny ? Do you know what Methamphetamine is, Granny? Do you know that a high school dropout can be taught to make Meth out of Sudaphed, Granny? Do you know how violent people who've been up on Meth for a couple of days can be, Granny? Do you even realize that this is yet another of the many causes of violent crime in america? Guess who's making most of the Meth?
P.S. I stand corrected on one thing, even though nobody seemed to have caught a mistake I made in an earlier comment. There ARE Negros outside of impoverished areas that irresponsibly have children. However, there are white children born to married white adults who beat the hell out of each other, IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS. So one bad thing in one community is usually offset by bad stuff in other communities. However, I stand by everything I stated before. IF YOU DON'T THINK THINGS WILL GET WORSE, WAIT UNTIL THEY DO. AFTER THEY DO, THINK BACK TO THE IDEALISTIC POST THAT GRANDMOM WROTE, COMPARE IT TO THE REALISTIC COMMENT THAT I WROTE, THEN DRAW CONCLUSIONS ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
Jail, or sterilization, MUST be used to stop this mad cycle. Our children deserve to be brought into this wicked World by people equipped to teach them how to deal with the World.
I repeat: If you talk about sterilization, you need to understand that it's going to have a disproportionate impact on black people.
The numbers don't lie. Black women are roughly three times more likely to become pregnant out of wedlock than white women. Poverty rates among blacks are two to three times the white poverty rate. Put those numbers together, and you get a far higher percentage of "welfare babies" born to black mothers than to white mothers.
That's why forced sterilization is an idea tailor-made for someone to argue that a majority white society is trying to reduce the black population.
Therefore, while I tend to support sterilization -- if, and only if, it is applied equally without regard for race -- I think the idea could work ONLY if it came from within the black community, and I suspect the Latino community as well.
Remember, even if it was applied to individuals without regard to their race, forced sterilization will have a massively disproportionate impact among black people. That's what the math tells us, and we're not talking about anything subtle here either.
So, folks: Is this something you really want to do?
Checking in...
Well, I believe in being responsible for who you bring into this world. I don't think that folks that have more kids than they can afford, should have them (i.e., people like Octomom before she got the "benefit" of all that FOXNoise ilk-like white press). Furthermore, if you're on welfare, and have been a lifer on welfare, then 2 kids, that's it, zipper up (male or female).
Somewhere in the 60's and 70's (or so it seems) parenting went right out the door.
When I was a kid (born in 1954), dad (a rather crazed drunken and addicted engineer) toted us all over the country as job after job was lost due to his addiction.
I lived in some good places and some bad places, but every neighborhood had kids that had curfews (as in before or at dark). We followed these rules because if we didn't, we got a good spanking or some form of strict discipline.
Our parents and grandparents taught us to be respectful of our elders and those less fortunate. Manners.
Even if we were poor, we ate pretty well, even if it was mostly beans, rice and chicken.
We went to school because if we didn't we got a good spanking and in a lot of other trouble with our mommas and daddys.
We did our homework, because corporal punishment was administered if we didn't.
Boy, life was harsh back then, eh?
It's a lot harsher now my friends. If you don't speak up and discipline the carpet munchers they will run all over you. And, as far as I'm concerned, you reap what you sow. You let your kids run the streets, miss curfews, cuss you or others, don't provide a healthy environment or example, then voila! And people wonder what's wrong with the world today.
Welfare moms and (when available) dads having an abundance of kiddos when they can't even afford one. Shame!
People allowing their babies to have babies. Shame! And, I don't care who the hell you are, how rich or influential you may be, there is no excuse for a tween or even teen to have a kid, period!
This is NOT a black or white issue, this is about responsible parenting.
I am in favor of "fixing" the problem, and if that means birth control implants or sterilization, so be it. I don't agree with the Chinese "solution" by any means!
This abstinence thing does not work and will never work because kids have raging hormones.
Personally, I blame a lot of troubles on the rise in TV viewing that happened back in the late 60's and early 70's (or was it Dr. Spock?). Parents got glued to the tube and didn't want to parent anymore. I saw a lot of that, including in my own house.
I was one of the run arounds, but woke up one day, after I dropped out of high school and went, "WTF am I doing? So I got a scholarship and went to University.
I'm glad I woke up and dug back into my better instincts, those that were instilled in me when I was of a very influential age.
I had the greatest grandmother in the entire world. She was a college graduate (4 degrees) at the turn of the century, an inventor, business leader, and toted me all over the country to educate and enlighten me.
She couldn't bake a cookie to save her soul, but she saved me. She fed my heart and soul and filled me with the nurishment of being valued, charished and loved. Sweeter than any cookie I ever ate!
I have tried to follow in her footsteps; though never having children of my own. I mentor, am a great Godmother to my Godchildren (successful grown ups now) and try to teach by example. Sometimes it ain't easy, but the rewards far outweigh any momentary burden.
Man, I ranted too long. Should have chopped this into a couple of posts for people with ADD, like me.
Respectfully submitted,
Whitney B.
To add something: If a group from within the black community were to emerge to support forced sterilization, I would strongly urge them to point out, right from the get-go, that there'd be a much higher percentage of blacks sterilized than whites, because a much higher percentage of black babies are welfare babies born out of wedlock.
That would be an excruciatingly painful series of conversations to have. It would shock the living hell out of me if a big majority of black people ever lined up behind the idea, knowing that it would have a disproportionate impact.
But whatever you do, please do this: Tell yourselves the truth. The worst lies are the ones we tell to the guy in the mirror.
I personally believe, no matter what your status in life, you should do no more than replace yourself. In a two parent household (50% of which there are not) that would be 2 kids. Period.
I can hear the arguments about that right now, like shouldn't decent people who can afford a bushel of kids have them? Ever wonder what some of the Kennedy clan are up to?
Had to edit this out from previous rant as I was over 4,096 characters. Terrible. I need an editor, right!
More tales of police abuse.
Seven shots?
http://www.ksat.com/news/19750328/detail.html
Need to add one more thing...
For those of you who would criticize me for criticizing bad parents, I chose not to have kids! Because of my lifestyle, the fact that I move around A LOT. Not good environment for kids, unless a parent is in the military and even then, it is very hard on the kids. I know. I spent a lot of my formative years moving from state to state.
And,
Anon @ 3:36 PM...
Is Granny your grandmother? I suggest you call her by her name, in your case, the whole name:
GrannyStandingforTruth. Most of us like to show R-E-S-P-E-C-T on this site, 'specially Granny, 'cause she always dishes out some good field wisdom! Even if I don't always agree.
Anonymous 3:15:
"See, people like you ARE the problem"
Oh, okay, so granny is the problem. I see. I'm so much of a problem that none of my children or grandchildren go out and commit crimes, drink, use drugs. None of them have ever been inside of a jail or involved in any type of activity that they would have deal with the police and even have one child that works in law enforcement. I get compliments all the time on how polite and well-mannered my children and grandchildren are, but I'm the problem. Really now? All my children and grandchildren were trained using the same methods I suggested. Yeah right! Granny is the problem but I have never had to turn to boot camp for help or go visit any of mine in prison.
Nah, the real problem is that Granny can see uphead where the little snare and trap that is being carefully laid out is leading to in the future. Every law in good ole America has always been carefully contrived to towards keeping black folks in their place by the power that be. Now they want to take it one step further and eliminate the black and brown race completely. Eugenics!
I don't know what it is that you like about the legalized creation of criminals, created by reckless breeding within broken cultures? Grandmom, do you know anything about the A.I.D.S. statistics? No, I didn't think so, because you don't reason with facts, just emotion.
Oh, I get the hidden meaning of "broken culture". Yup, it used to be called problem people and undesireables. Back in the founding father's days they called them the "Sons of Africa". Benjamin Franklin said, "Why increase the sons of Africa by planting them in America,where we have so fair an opportunity, by excluding all blacks and tawneys, of increasing the lovely whites and red?" That was Benjamin Franklin: at least he was pro-Indian. And Lincoln said, "There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favour of having the superior position assigned to the white race"
Make no mistake Granny is no dummy by a longshot. I might not dot all my i's or cross all my t's, but the one thing I do possess is foresight and insight.
"Sterilization is a last resort"
Funny, how I don't hear any mentione about forced parenting skills classes or forced education, instead the trend today is let's talk about forced sterilization. I guess Herod's offsprings survived after all because his spirit is running rampant in our society. I guess prison plantations have gotten rich enough they don't need the free labor anymore. Come to think of it, all the greedy rich folks made a killing in the last eight years. We now have many multi-billionaire.
"drug culture, glamorized by celebrities, rappers, and clowns in the streets, Grandmom, cannot be addressed with long winded tirades full of ideology and emotion"
Who help create that culture? Oh, that's right, those white heads of the music industry and the movie industry had nothing to do with it. Nope, it is all the black folks fault. Ideology? Hahahaha! And the suggestions of 'forced sterilization doesn't fall under "ideology", huh?
"Therefore, forced sterilization IS the only realistic (REALISTIC being the key word) way of putting a dent in this sociological hurricane that exists in our society."
Now, let me translate that. Forced sterilization is the only way to end the black and brown race and get rid of them for once and for all. With this method, eventually, they will all fade out. We did it with the Indians.
One question. After forced sterilization of black and brown folks, what happens when some of them turn their life around and get married and want to have children down the road? Oh, I forgot black folks don't need to exist or they can always adopt white babies.
"High unemployment in communities of color, what are you going to do about that, Granny?"
Nah, let me ask you a question instead. Why do white folks who are in control of the jobs refuse to hire as many blacks as they do whites? Oh, I forgot they don't want those 'afirmative action' people they're not intelligent. They hire one or two blacks for most jobs and if it's more than that, they make sure that those are menial positions that whites don't want. Forget a position in corporate America's executive branch that is out of the question " no negras need to apply."
Alright, two quick points of sanity:
(1) In response to the idea that " I repeat: If you talk about sterilization, you need to understand that it's going to have a disproportionate impact on black people. " Of course it will disproportionately affect our community, because our community is in DISPROPORTIONATELY BAD SHAPE. Conditions that are three times as bad need three times as much attention given to what creates the bad. The outcomes of sterilization/prison options are geared at producing "quality" populations, not quantitative ones, because quality ALWAYS trumps quantity. (Just keep talking Grandmom, you just make it easier for me to make my points.).
(2) LISTEN FOLKS. INSANITY GOES IN TWO DIRECTIONS !!! There's a such thing as being too INTOLERANT, but many of you folks are committing the suicidal crime of being INSANELY OVER TOLERANT of dangerous criminal behavior.
I don't want to live in a society that has to stop making convertible cars, because it's too dangerous to take a cruiz downtown. " Oh, I know, society will never get that bad ", right Grandmom.
Could you over tolerant people allow me to hit whatever you're smoking ? It must be some GOOD shyt :0)
P.S. Shot-out to the Brother that stated that, ultimately, the Negro family must be the final arbitrars in our own fate. We understand our community better than Ph.D type outsiders. This is a family matter, and the wise ones among us should be the ones most fiercely engaging in this debate.
"However, Grandmom, populations are exploding, and this includes populations in impoverished places."
The key word in your statement, "populations are exploding"
Is population control an idealogy?
"Ever heard of the M.S.-13 gang, Granny ? Do you know what Methamphetamine is, Granny? Do you know that a high school dropout can be taught to make Meth out of Sudaphed,"
Yeah, I've heard of them. In fact, I used to live in one of their neighborhoods before. I hope you Hispanics/Latinoes are paying close attention, because your next on the Eugenics list.
"There ARE Negros outside of impoverished areas that irresponsibly have children. However, there are white children born to married white adults who beat the hell out of each other, IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS. So one bad thing in one community is usually offset by bad stuff in other communities."
How carefully you worded that. I tell you the enemy is a tricky and clever little devil. Ahhh, but I know some of my people won't catch on to whose next. Just like they've painted all blacks criminals, now, even innocent black people are targets of police shootings, wait until they get through trying to get forced sterilization made into law. You think your child is safe? I'm talking to all of you black and brown people. You better think again! Ahhh, but you don't have to pay ole granny any attention. History repeats itself, if you let it. Think Indians.
"Jail, or sterilization, MUST be used to stop this mad cycle."
What no forced education and forced parenting skills classes or forced sex education classes and forceed teaching them about marriage before children, etc.
To Whitney B, 4:02 p.m. See? Your Grand Mother, and people like her, are the people I'd like to see increase in number.
Great commentary.
I cosign with field.
Random thoughts:
If my son had a long history of criminal activity, the very last thing I would do is step forward and confirm for the world his mother is an idiot.
It's fine for us all to speak out online. But if you want to be really effective, go to your City Council Public Safety committees and de-farking-mand more aggressive policing and a way to hold parents resposible for their monor children. The biggest threat to public safety after you account for the criminals, is the guilt ridden middle class. And crazy anarchist young whites wishing for a violent showdown between cops and brown people.
The middle class has to get off its ass, hit politicians in their wallets, and bloody demand safer streets. If you aren't ready to do that then shut up.
When four cops were assassinated here, the crazies were all in the streets and all in the news. The middle class sat back "ain't it awful."
Just once I'd like to see the middle class go to a council meeting and demand council respond to "What the fark are you going to do about this shite?"
They did it in NYC and now it's one of the safest cities in the country.
Job training isn't going to dig us out of this mess. If I hear one more negro declare they don't want to see anymore black males going to jail I'll scream. Send them to jail for violent crime or for being a repeat offender and make their parents pay through the nose.
Instead of investing in school systems our kids won't attend, invest in substance rehab and education in the prison system so that when they get out, they can do something besides get high and be a better criminal.
And for the record, poverty is not THE reason for crime. Criminals act out in poorer neighborhoods but a whole bunch of poor folks don't break the law and want their kids to live better lives.
Young criminals come from all kinds of homes and the common thread is perfectly useless parents.
"If you talk about sterilization, you need to understand that it's going to have a disproportionate impact on black people. " Of course it will disproportionately affect our community, because our community is in DISPROPORTIONATELY BAD SHAPE. "
Oh yeah, I see the picture quite well. Yup! And that's okay with you that it will disproportionately affect the black and brown community. I've heard that same song and dance before and seen it in action all my life. Hundreds of thousands of innocent black people murdered for the same reason "a disproportionate impact on our community" because of MSM, movie industries, and music industries portrayal of us and construction of laws of the land.
"The outcomes of sterilization/prison options are geared at producing "quality" populations, not quantitative ones, because quality ALWAYS trumps quantity."
By quality you mean what, since it is supposed to be a disproportionate deal in our community. However, I don't really think that you are part of OUR community.
"but many of you folks are committing the suicidal crime of being INSANELY OVER TOLERANT of dangerous criminal behavior."
Oh really, who says that you? So are you saying that black people don't care about criminal behavior. That is a LIE straight from the pits of hell!!! Mighty funny, no one is asking blacks how they feel about criminal behavior. Instead, they are just attaching another label to all blacks folks. In fact, it's the same one you just falsely claimed, "black people don't care about criminal behavior." They do care!!!!
BTW, I own a convertible and a SUV, and guess what, I live in a predominantly black neighborhood. Well, the racial demographics are changing a little somewhat, because I, now, have an Asian neighbor, white neighbors, Hispanic neighbors, and even have a gay (not a race, but I'm just saying) couple as neighbors too and my street is very nice and quiet. The kids even play outside. Nope, I don't live in the suburbs either, but my children do. And I sit out on my porch late at night, people pass by, and no one bothers me, except to speak or ask me how I'm doing. As for my convertible, the only thing I've been bothered about is can they wash it for me and I go whereever I feel like it.
"Could you over tolerant people allow me to hit whatever you're smoking ? It must be some GOOD shyt :0)"
You asking the wrong person if you're asking me because I keep a CLEAR HEAD at all times. Could that be your problem?
"This is a family matter, and the wise ones among us should be the ones most fiercely engaging in this debate."
Amen, it is a family matter. However, there is nothing wise about murder in any shape, form, or fashion, and that includes GENOCIDE no matter how subtle you think your plan is.
Funny, how I don't hear any mentione about forced parenting skills classes or forced education, instead the trend today is let's talk about forced sterilization.
Let's be real about one thing. We have "forced education" through the 12th grade. Whether it helps very much is another question. Forced parenting skills classes? Hey granny, you won't get any argument from me about that one, along with sex ed and free contraceptives.
When I posted what I did about the disproportionate impact of forced sterilization, I did it to focus attention on what would QUICKLY become the most controversial -- no, let's call it explosive -- issue emanating from that idea.
Any merits of the idea aside, I don't think the political reality would permit white politicians to touch the sterilization idea. No way, no how. There is only one way this could ever have a chance of happening, and that's if it came out of the black community with overwhelming black support.
Frankly, I just can't ever see that happening. But then, I never thought I'd see a black man elected president, either. So, I suppose the thing to do is never say never.
Well, Grand Mom for Truth, your intentions are good. You're DEAD WRONG about pretty much everything, but your mind is undeniably sharp. My STRONG suspicion is that you are Jewish, and by default, are sensitive about topics that are Eugenic in nature.
So, I must more clearly address something you've implied several times. You're equating what I'm talking about with Hitler's psychopathology.
Look.
Eugenics should be aimed at saving some people from themselves. I don't mean we should kill poor people's children, because they're poor due to inferior genes, religion, etc. NOT ALL POOR PEOPLE ARE TROUBLE MAKERS. IN FACT, MOST ARE NOT. RECORD NUMBERS OF POOR NEGROES ARE FIRST-TIME COLLEGE GRADUATES.
However, as beautifully stated by Whitney (someone), outside of sick narcissism, why should we create FIVE duplicates of ourselves? Do you really want to live in a place as populous as China, or India?
More importantly, if creating children is akin to re-creating ourselves, why would we want to re-create ourselves, if we've spent a life living in hell? And who, may I ask, is living in a deeper and darker hell than impoverished Negroes in America's crime ridden ghettos?
See?
There are some serious issues being overlooked. Therefore, I still stand by every single stance I've expressed, but I reject the obvious misinterpretations that some are making about my statements.
BTW, Anonymous:
Your statement, that "black folks don' care about the criminals in their neighborhoods". West Coast Story is black, she speaks out constantly about how she feels all the time about the crime element in our neighborhoods and voices the sentiments of how blacks feel about crime. And she is not the only one. Yet, that is overlooked because it makes more sense to those that have an ulterior motive to paint it as "black don't care about criminals".
I pray for her all the time, because I can sense the weariness, sick and tired and fed up feelings in her about young people killing each other. I know many black people, young, old, and in between that feel the same way.
A lot of stuff she says, I agree with her. There are a few things that I don't but most of it I do. So, please stop spreading that lie that black folks don't care.
After the Columbine murders, I thought the parents of those boys should have gone to prison.
It isn't an easy question, where society should step in. How far do we take parental responsibility? Does society have the right to dictate whether or not a woman should have a baby (birth control, abortion...)?
How bad does child abuse have to be before we step in? Is any hitting abuse? A belt? A fist?
Is it irresponsible to have children when you are poor or is it discrimination to say that only rich people should have children?
Is it the parents fault for not being around or is it our fault for refusing to support the children of our society?
It is true that children used to be commodities. It is also true that more people were involved in their upbringing. Society felt it had a stake in childrens future.
Now we seem content to let children be malnourished and go to failing schools. We observe abusive situations, but say nothing. We see troubled kids, but don't want to get involved...until the desperation, violence, and low self esteem hits close to home. Then the blame game begins.
Sorry, but the first time they got convicted of a crime with a gun, they should have been locked up for life. Our priorities are completely out of whack.
Someone caught with marijuana would get a stiffer penalty than these idiots.
You can't make people good parents. You can and should lock up anyone that shows blatant disregard for human life (i.e. use a gun in a crime and I'm fine if you never see the light of day again.)
Grinder:
Nope, we don't have forced education, we have mandatory education. If it was forced they would be enforcing mandatory education with laws that include fines. Truant officers would be picking them up left and right taking them back to school, and schools wouldn't be sending them home for every little minor infraction, and parent accountability would be a law in making sure they are in school on a daily basis unless sick.
Anon 5:20 PM,
Yes, my grandmother was great; to me! But, my mother harbors huge resentments, she is the middle child. So does the baby, my auntie who is 82, mom is 84. The oldest sister is dead, but she was the one who wanted to forget the past and threw away much of the family memorabilia. Also, you need to remember, or be aware of the fact, that these colleges were NOT available to black folks, let alone women!
However, I choose to be looking at my life as blessed. There are always problems within the family dynamic. The only "normal" people these days seem to be the ones which are dysfunctional. Perhaps this has always been the case. There are no "Clevers", etc.
I think it is up to "we elders" to pass on the white gloves and polite society in which we were raised. To teach babies to not have babies, to speak out for the disenfanchised. To uphold the truths that WE see as self evident.
Tonight I have been honored with great insight from Granny. Scary stuff, quite actually. In your face history. I went back to an earlier blog and got my eyes wide open.
Is there still hope and change coming? I sure hope so.
To expect one man, his O'Ness, to do it for us, I think not.
We, as a community of different values and ideas, must come together and respect each other for our differences.
God, Allah, Buddha, Mohammed, the Creator, all cry for us to get along, to effect and affect a change in belief and principle, to love and to care for all who need fulfillment, to cherish the differences and to abide by the fact that all men and women are created EQUAL. We all bleed the same, so therefore there really is no difference, eh?
I dunno, but I hope so...
Whitney B.
OK, so my sign-on word is "cringe". Give you all a cringe, as it were.
grinder @605 p.m. stated that "Any merits of the idea aside, I don't think the political reality would permit white politicians to touch the sterilization idea. No way, no how. There is only one way this could ever have a chance of happening, and that's if it came out of the black community with overwhelming black support."
No doubt about it.
That's why, as stated by someone else, this is NOT really a "Black" issue. MANY whites would support sterilization of people who "make love" to little boys and girls. I also don't think white people would object to the same standards being applied to what THEY refer to as "white trash"...(a statement I've always abhorred, by the way). Since white people are in the majority, their support of certain types of sterilization, ENJOINED by the support that would come from people of color (even if small), WOULD constitute a majority, and it would guide us towards a day when other solutions (such as the ones Grandmom suggested) could be entertained.
As for now, violent crime is frighteningly out of control, (Dunbar Village, anyone) and drastic things must be done to stabilize things.
GrannyforTruth@6:08 p.m. You stated that I made the comment that " black folks don't care about the criminals in their neighborhoods".
Listen.
I'll donate $10,000.00 to your favorite charity if you can find the place where I made this statement. Sorry, but you're terribly wrong about that one.
Anon 6:33 PM,
I don't like trash in my field, no matter what it is.
However, imbalance is a topic which needs to be addressed. Though I agree with the principle, there are places in Appalachia, which have no crime, per se, but are criminal in the fact that the breeders go unchallenged. That is criminal!
Anonymi,
What are your true names and intentions?
Mine is Whitney Brown, and I live in Ocean Springs, MS. You can write to me at: wcbcwi@yahoo.com
smh,
Whitney B.
That's why, as stated by someone else, this is NOT really a "Black" issue. MANY whites would support sterilization of people who "make love" to little boys and girls. I also don't think white people would object to the same standards being applied to what THEY refer to as "white trash"...(a statement I've always abhorred, by the way). Since white people are in the majority, their support of certain types of sterilization, ENJOINED by the support that would come from people of color (even if small), WOULD constitute a majority, and it would guide us towards a day when other solutions (such as the ones Grandmom suggested) could be entertained.
Trust me, I don't think you'd get a whole lot of pushback from most white people on sterilizing the rat-breeding trailer trash among us.
But that's really not enough. You've got to get your mind around those numbers I've cited. If 20% of white babies are born out of wedlock, and 60% of that number have no father in the picture, that's 12% of the white babies that are the most at risk.
Further, the white poverty rate is 10%. Of course, it would be higher for single mothers. Let's take a stab and say 30%. So, maybe 4% of the white babies are welfare babies whose parents could be eligible for forced sterilization.
Now let's look at the black numbers. Two-thirds (66%) out of wedlock, 60% with no cohabitation. That's 36% at risk. Poverty rate starts at 22%, but these are young and none too smart so let's take a stab and say 55% of black babies born into welfare, with parents eligible for forced sterilization.
Does it become a little clearer? 4% of white babies, 55% of black ones. Now, I've made some assumptions that might not hold up. But one way or the other, the numbers of blacks eligible for forced sterilization under a set of "race blind" rules would dwarf the percentage of whites eligible for it.
That, my friend, is why you're not going to see white politicians touch the issue. Whites might be a majority in this country, but the lessons of the 1960s were burned into the circuits.
If black people want to entertain forced sterilization of people who crank out welfare babies, that movement will absolutely have to be of, and by, black people. I don't think any white politician to the left of David Duke would even dare whisper the idea in his sleep.
Anonymous 6:07:
"NOT ALL POOR PEOPLE ARE TROUBLE MAKERS. IN FACT, MOST ARE NOT. RECORD NUMBERS OF POOR NEGROES ARE FIRST-TIME COLLEGE GRADUATES."
Funny that you should say that, because I just attended a graduation at a college, and it was an awful lot of blacks and hispanics/latinoes graduating, in fact, blacks were the majority. Today, at the church, they, also, honored some black students who, what? Graduated! BTW, those blacks and hispanics/Latinoes that were graduating at the graduation I attended are choosing majors in scientific fields, physiology, engineering fields, etc., some with more than two majors, and what is so amazing is that the majority of them were graduating with honors. Am I suppose to jump for joy that they could be included in that "disproportionate impact in our community" ?
"Eugenics should be aimed at saving some people from themselves."
Smh! Well, at least you've admitted indirectly that Eugenics is, definitely, on the table.
"And who, may I ask, is living in a deeper and darker hell than impoverished Negroes in America's crime ridden ghettos?"
Well, let's see, there are people in the trailer parks, barrios, Asian ghettoes, and Indian reservations to name a few. All poor people are living in hell and crime ridden communities.
"I still stand by every single stance I've expressed, but I reject the obvious misinterpretations that some are making about my statements."
That's your prerogative. Guess what, and I stand every inch of ground I walk on with things I've expressed too. So, we've reached a common place on something even if we disagree on all others.
Go Granny,
Who loves you? I do!
Whitney Brown aka, Whitney B.
Mr.D @6:17 p.m. said "Sorry, but the first time they got convicted of a crime with a gun, they should have been locked up for life. Our priorities are completely out of whack."
BINGO! I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LOOK AT A REVOLVER FROM THE "WRONG END" (IF YOU GET MY DRIFT).
" Someone caught with marijuana would get a stiffer penalty than these idiots. "
BINGO, AGAIN ! MY MAN !
" You can't make people good parents. You can and should lock up anyone that shows blatant disregard for human life (i.e. use a gun in a crime and I'm fine if you never see the light of day again.)"
AHHHHHHHHHH ! A VOICE OF SANITY. Only an animal (including the childhood friends of mine doing time for murder)gets angry or greedy enough to snuff out the life of another person's son, daughter, father, mother, sister, brother, or best friend.
6:17 PM
Okay, Anonymous you ready to fork over that $10,000 to my favorite charity? Because here is two of your quotes right here. You didn't come out and say it as I paraphased it, but you were implying that. When you said that we are "insanely over tolerant of dangerous criminal behavior" that means the same thing as we don't care. In other words, we defend it, so evidently we don't care. You even went so far as to ask me what I like about "the legalized creation of criminals." In other words, I see nothing wrong with criminals so therefore, I must like criminals, so I don't care.
"I don't know what it is that you like about the legalized creation of criminals, created by reckless breeding within broken cultures?"
"many of you folks are committing the suicidal crime of being INSANELY OVER TOLERANT of dangerous criminal behavior"
BTW, I have several favorite charities that really help the POOR and don't pocket the money, so the Red Cross is not one of them.
Whitney:
You know you my sister at heart. (wink) I know that you have a good heart. So do a few others on here. It's just a few that don't, and I can count them on one hand and have a few fingers left over.
Whitney B @6:47 p.m. You asked the following question:
"Anonymi,
What are your true names and intentions?
Mine is Whitney Brown, and I live in Ocean Springs, MS. You can write to me at: wcbcwi@yahoo.com
smh,
Whitney B.
6:47 PM
Whitney, I'd love to communicate directly with you, but there are strict privacy rules that I must abide by. I'd rather not comment further about that.
However, I'll vist Bro. Field's comments section more frequently (prior to the past two days, I'd commented less than ten times, ever!) Within this medium, I'll talk freely with you, and others, about anything.
TTYL
Like my granny used to tell me when a person can't eat, they'll rob, steal, or do anything to get the money to eat with, because survival is a human need. Don't interpret that as Granny loves criminals and crimes, because I DON'T! Just saying that is where the biggest root of crime is. Now, murder is caused by bad thought patterns.
Like the old Cherokee legend that was passed down says:
An old Cherokee man told his grandson about a battle that goes on inside people. He said, "My son, the battle is between two wolves that live inside us all. One wolf is Evil - it is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, love of money, and ego. The other wolf is Good - it is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, serenity, humility, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith". The man's grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf wins the battle?" The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."
Many whites would go along with sterilization. Yeah right, just like they go along with equal punishment for the same crime such as cocaine, murder, etc. Yup, they'd go along with it alright as long as their given a big lead way and it doesn't have a "disproportinately effect on their community" Smh!
"Intolerant" GrannyStandingforTruth @ 7:13 p.m., masterfully twisted my words in the following way.
" Okay, Anonymous you ready to fork over that $10,000 to my favorite charity? Because here is two of your quotes right here. You didn't come out and say it as I paraphased it, but you were implying that. When you said that we are "insanely over tolerant of dangerous criminal behavior" that means the same thing as we don't care. In other words, we defend it, so evidently we don't care. You even went so far as to ask me what I like about "the legalized creation of criminals." In other words, I see nothing wrong with criminals so therefore, I must like criminals, so I don't care.
"I don't know what it is that you like about the legalized creation of criminals, created by reckless breeding within broken cultures?"
"many of you folks are committing the suicidal crime of being INSANELY OVER TOLERANT of dangerous criminal behavior"
BTW, I have several favorite charities that really help the POOR and don't pocket the money, so the Red Cross is not one of them.
7:13 PM "
Okay, now your intolerant side is beginning to show. You know good and well, by your own admission, that these statements don't translate into my thinking that "blacks don't care about crime in their communities." Need I repeat that "NOT ALL POOR PEOPLE ARE...WHATEVER IT WAS I SAID...TROUBLE MAKERS, I THINK."
I see. You're either a Jewish attorney or social worker (the Jewish part is irrelevant). The intolerant tone, however, I'm beginning to understand. No, you're not hateful, just pious, and, " more holy than thou. "
So, my friend, conversing with you has been interesting, especially now that I understand...ahhh damn, I'll bet a lot of you are Jewish. I'm getting the hell out of here.
Peace
P.S. Okay, GrandmomforTruth, how about this ; I support pay-per-view executions for child molestors, by firing squad. Money raised should be allocated to the child for therapy, college, and future problems they may encounter as adults. Now, take that "hate", and deal with it.
I remember some years back when someone proposed giving Norplant, a contraceptive that's implanted and lasts for five years, to welfare mothers as a condition of receiving benefits.
The reaction was HIGHLY negative. I might be mistaken about this, but I think it was proposed by a white, Republican legislator, and was seen as something tantamount to genocide. Also, it was seen as sexist because it targeted only the mothers and not the fathers.
So, I think that while the sterilization idea has some merit, I also think that the underlying politics of it are impossible, at least insofar as it might come from white legislators.
Anon 7:21 PM,
Simply click on my name and you will be directed to my email address. I welcome the debate.
Whitney Brown
and proud of it!
BTW,
This white chick is Jewish, too. But, the wrong side. Old daddy-o was a Jew, ergo I ain't a Jew in the Biblical and even these days, literal sense,
C'est la vie,
Whitney Brown
"There ARE Negros outside of impoverished areas that irresponsibly have children. However, there are white children born to married white adults who beat the hell out of each other, IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS."
Look at this statement Anonymous in the comparison you made:
"Negroes outside the impoverished areas that IRRESPONSIBLY have children." In other word, middleclass blacks are not and don't get married either.
Oh...but now, "there are white children born to married white adults" Yeah, I caught it! Black don't marry, only white folks get married. Dang, and all this time I thought it was those darn white hippies that started that "FREE Communal LOVE" thingee. You a friend in need is a friend indeed, sex wise that is. Oh let, me hush! Methinks, I'll go sit in the corner and meditate on Jesus.
Grinder:
"So, I think that while the sterilization idea has some merit, I also think that the underlying politics of it are impossible, at least insofar as it might come from white legislators."
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll come up with one of their black flunkies to preach their message, such as Ron Christie or Jesse Lee Peterson and catch a lot of frustrated blacks in the net of their hidden snare and trap at their weakest point unaware and blind to what it will really bring about.
I can only warn folks, but I can't make them receive the vision.
Anonymous:
I didn't twist your words, your trying to get out of paying that $10,000! Smh!
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll come up with one of their black flunkies to preach their message, such as Ron Christie or Jesse Lee Peterson and catch a lot of frustrated blacks in the net of their hidden snare and trap at their weakest point unaware and blind to what it will really bring about.
I, for one, would not trust it if only a handful of black politicians were to support the idea. To be convinced, I would need to see evidence of broad, deep, strong, sustained backing for the idea among black people.
And, as I've mentioned a number of times, I would be shocked if that were to happen.
Here's another possibility: How about sterilization of women who gave birth to a baby with an addiction to narcotics, or with fetal alcohol syndrome? I have no idea whether that would disproportionately affect black mothers, but even if it did I'd be willing to consider it.
Granny?
Zooming to comments before anything else:
Well, I had to shut 'puter off and get back on. And, guess what? Yahoo sez that creep Harrison Ford and Adam Sandler are BO over Will Smith and the Edster. WTF? White Trash Folks are still goin' to the movies.
Now my secret word is muffer. What a laf!
Yeah, I caught it! Black don't marry, only white folks get married.
Numbers, numbers, numbers. I checked again, and 72% of black babies are born out of wedlock, versus 28% of white babies. Both rates are higher than I had thought they were, but the black rate is much higher than the white rate.
Grinder,
Co-sign on FAS & drug addiction for sure. One of my Godchildren was FAS. It took a lot a lot of work in working with him to teach him anything, but today he is a World Class Tae Kwon Do champion and a successful businessman. If his "father" had not rescued him from his cousin, this child would have died in a trunk (an old steamer trunk) but fortunately his "father" arrived and heard a rucous from the trunk.
And, these were the Promised Ones, Jewish people.
One ought to be ashamed and one is.
A humble servant,
Whitney B.
Grinder:
He included middleclass blacks in that equation. You know those homes where folks said "I DO" There are more poor people than there are middleclass. It's not just the poor folks he is aiming at with his eugenics.
You have some good analytical skills, but sometimes you need to stop and think before you jump on the bandwagon.
I made a big, embarrassing arithmetic mistake in my last posting. It does not change my conclusion, but if I am going to preach about the numbers then it is my responsibility to get them right. So, I am going to repost, this time using the right math. I also went and researched some more statistics, in an attempt to make all of this a little more real.
That's why, as stated by someone else, this is NOT really a "Black" issue. MANY whites would support sterilization of people who "make love" to little boys and girls. I also don't think white people would object to the same standards being applied to what THEY refer to as "white trash"...(a statement I've always abhorred, by the way). Since white people are in the majority, their support of certain types of sterilization, ENJOINED by the support that would come from people of color (even if small), WOULD constitute a majority, and it would guide us towards a day when other solutions (such as the ones Grandmom suggested) could be entertained.
Trust me, I don't think you'd get a whole lot of pushback from most white people on sterilizing the rat-breeding trailer trash among us.
But that's really not enough. You've got to get your mind around those numbers I've cited. 28% of white babies are born out of wedlock, and 60% of that number have no father in the picture, that's 17% of the white babies that are the most at risk.
Further, the white poverty rate is 10.5%. Of course, it would be higher for single mothers, who are young and none too smart. Some Census numbers I found suggest that the white single mother poverty rate is 15%. Put it together, and it means that about 2.5% of white babies are born into poverty and welfare and (theoretically) their parents could be eligible for forced sterilization.
Now let's look at the black numbers. 72% of black babies are born out of wedlock, 60% with no father in the picture. That's 42% at risk.
The black poverty rate starts at 24.5%, but these at-risk single mothers are young and none too smart. Some Census numbers I found suggest that the black single mother poverty rate is 31%. Put it together, and it means that about 13% of black babies are born into poverty and welfare and (theoretically) their parents could be eligible for forced sterilization.
Does it become a little clearer? 2.5% of white babies (one in 40) versus 13.5% of black babies (one in 7-1/2). In other words, "race blind" forced sterilization would affect one in 7.5 black parents, versus one in 40 white parents.
Now, I've made some assumptions that might not hold up. The statistics aren't as precise as I have implied, but you have to start somewhere. One way or the other, the percentage of blacks eligible for forced sterilization under a set of "race blind" rules would dwarf the percentage of whites eligible for it.
That, my friend, is why you're not going to see white politicians touch the issue. Whites might be a majority in this country, but the lessons of the 1960s were burned into the circuits.
If black people want to entertain forced sterilization of people who crank out welfare babies, that movement will absolutely have to be of, and by, black people. I don't think any white politician to the left of David Duke would even dare whisper the idea in his sleep.
sometimes you need to stop and think before you jump on the bandwagon
I'm not jumping on any bandwagons here. I have sympathy for the IDEA of sterilizing irresponsible parents, but as soon as I look at the practical reality, I pull back from it.
I have presented the numbers in an attempt to try to bring some real-life practical and political considerations to the table. I really don't think the idea of sterilizing irresponsible parents is ever going to get off the ground. The impact of such a policy would ignite huge racial tensions.
Field Negro, you would have been proud of me. The house negro let the field negro out on some folks and taught them about RESPECT and what it means to me. It was a beautiful thing.
Grinder,
Actually, I don't know where you are getting your "facts" (FOXNoise?), but I hardly believe it is 28% white babies. Not what I see on the streets here, in Pascagoula, MS and Moss Point, MS. Moss Point is mostly black, but I don't see many black babies having babies, and ditto for Pascagoula.
Personally, from what I read in the paper here in white trash land, it's the upside down from your stats...numbers. Perhaps the coast has a higher ratio of trashy whites than blacks, hence the difference. All I know is when I go to fetes and festivals here, I see a lot of tattooed white babymoms pushing babies around in babymobiles. Makes me want to puke or have my head spin 360. Ain't color it's creepy babies having 'em. However, I can see the tatts so that makes me sicker.
One of my Godchildren was FAS. It took a lot a lot of work in working with him to teach him anything, but today he is a World Class Tae Kwon Do champion and a successful businessman.
I would like to say that I do not consider so-called crack babies or those born with FAS, or other conditions, to be inferior semi-humans. These conditions aren't their fault. But I do think it'd be worthwhile to consider the idea of preventing their mothers from giving an encore performance.
Granny, I have ONE more question, then I'm calling it a night (Damn Field, this commentary section is off-tha-chain :0)
Could you please explain what you meant by the following statement:
" You a friend in need is a friend indeed, sex wise that is. "
I'm totally lost as to what this means, but I'm dying to know. Just by studying other things you've said, your "innocent sounding" screen name, GrannyStandingforTruth in my eyes, is becoming a LOT less innocent.
I think I know what you meant to say. If I'm correct, I'll just take the high road, and keep my would-be response to myself.
I don't know where you are getting your "facts" (FOXNoise?)
The out-of-wedlock birth stats from come from the National Center for Health Statistics, a subagency of the Centers for Disease Control. The poverty stats come from the Census Bureau.
RIP BLACK AMERICA
http://charactercorner.blogspot.com/2009/06/rip-black-america.html
Let me make myself, perfectly clear. I am against crime in shape, form, or fashion. However, one thing I do cherish is LIFE. I'm not down with anyone's suggestions of deciding who should live and who should die. Nor am I down with anyone's suggestions of forced sterilization. It's always a chance that some of those folks might turn their life around somewhere down the line and get married. And some do grow up and mature. What if they want kids?
I guess that would be okay in your book as long as there are no more BLACK and BROWN babies. The more I think about it, the more I see how much people's minds have decayed and became evil and corrupt. Lord help us all!
Grinder,
Where are you getting this stuff? I can't believe any of it. It is beyond my comprehension
I know both sides and do not see it.
Enlighten all of us, please.
Thank you,
Whitney B.
Okay, if not forced sterilization, then how about mandatory Norplant for a woman who gives birth to an addicted baby or one with FAS? Norplant lasts for five years, which would give her time to turn her life around.
Grinder @ 8:25
"72% of black babies are born out of wedlock, versus 28% of white babies."
Terrible stats, but when you consider that 50% of ALL marriages fail (totally negating that "sanctity" nonsense), and many married people are miserable, and only stick together for the kids, or because both parties would be too poor to make it on their own, that lead to one conclusion ; FAR MORE WHITE PEOPLE F&*K THEIR LIVES UP BY GETTING MARRIED (lol).
Now, how do you like that one, GrandmomStandingforHalfTruths ?
Whitney, the stats on out-of-wedlock births, both black and white, come from the National Center for Health Statistics, a federal agency that's part of the Centers for Disease Control. The stats on poverty come from the Census Bureau.
I plead guilty to having made a math error earlier. I was the one who caught the error, and when I caught it I decided to do some more rechecking of all the numbers.
There is some approximation involved. For example, no one directly measures poverty rates or welfare dependence for single mothers. I had to use stand-ins for those; I picked poverty rates for females between the ages of 18 and 34. This probably underestimates the actual poverty rate, because it includes women without children, but it was the closest I could get.
I assumed that kids born into households where the parents aren't married but are cohabiting wouldn't be on welfare. That's probably wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of welfare babies in that situation. But I didn't know how to make an assumption.
So, if anything, the estimates for welfare babies are probably too low. How low is anyone's guess. But the point is really something different, which is that a "race neutral" approach to sterilizing the parents of welfare babies is going to have a much bigger impact on blacks than it will on whites.
The differential would be so big that I can't imagine the political system allowing such a policy to be put into place.
Anonymous:
You know what I meant!!!!! Oh, so now you're trying to find a way to attack my character is that it? Well, let me be straight up front with you.
Granny didn't stay locked up in the house sheltered from the world, or live behind no guarded gate communities away from civilization. I know people from all walks of life, rich, in the middle, and poor. And I didn't sit back and go through life not observing it and people, or my surroundings. I, observed, conversed, studied, traveled, experienced, and learned all aspects of it!
BTW, I'm through going back and forth with you. Stop trying to define me or label me, because you can't.
Como increible ! GrandmomStandingforTruth...
" I guess that would be okay in your book as long as there are no more BLACK and BROWN babies. "
DAMN ! You use the Black/Brown race card better than most Black/Brown people do.
I have to admit, Grandmom, you got SKILLS...you got that SWAGGA ! If you'd add a little more truth to your recipe, you'd probably grow dreadlocks.
Grinder,
OK. But, that is white Amurdica stats. Twisted.
I co-sign with you about after the fact. Completely!!!
To make it worse, those miserable imbeciles, had another one. Guess what happened? I cannot speak of it.
When my friend brought my future Godson home, he was three. Spoke gibberish. I did not know my friend that well at the time and could not understand how a 3 y/o from college educated parents could only speak gibberish.
Then, I learned how he had been found in a "box" and how his body as covered in cigarette burns. God only knows what other torture this poor little lamb had been through.
The ugly trolls and dumb asses of this world who conceive in these circumstances should be sterilized, if not thrown into pergatory for the rest of their demonic lifetimes.
The world is an ugly place and it is up to us to try to civilize it once again. Speak firmly to those who spit on you and try to uplift those who are trod upon. It is all we can do.
Dr. King and Ghandi tried to teach us what is right and mean for us to do. I try very hard to live every day as these two men asked us to do. I slip and slide, and buy into the noise, but pray that I can rise above and overcome.
Granny,
Godspeed and good wishes to you. Thank you for slipping wisdom and history to us all.
Sincerely,
Whitney B.
So, Whitney, amid all the numbers I've thrown around, I hope my point is clear: Forget about sterilizing the parents of welfare babies. The racial disparity is simply too big. Black people would never go for it, and white people would be too afraid to do anything but mutter to themselves about it. It's just not going to happen. Period.
p.s.: And to whites who mutter, my comment would be something along the lines of throwing rocks inside of a glass house. When 28% of white births are outside of wedlock, even if that's a lot lower than the black rate, it's still enough of a disaster that no one can get too goddamn self-righteous.
OK. But, that is white Amurdica stats. Twisted.
Oh, please. Now you're going to tell us that the CDC and the Census Bureau cook their numbers to make blacks look bad? Get serious.
Anonymous 9:07:
"If you'd add a little more truth to your recipe, you'd probably grow dreadlocks."
Do you know what a gluteus maximus is?
Anon 9:07,
You have been told not to diss GrannyStandingforTruth. Why must you continue? Her name is Granny, she is not related and not your "Gradmom!" She has more sxperience, knowledge, wisdom, etc., in her pinky than you do in your littlest of brains. Look down when I say that.
smh!
Whitney B.
Grinder,
Well, yeah.
Duh.
8 years under Dubya hasn't changed over night.
Sorry to disappoint.
Whitney
Grinder,
I say eliminate the problem, no matter where it exists. Education would be number one, but if that doesn't work so be it.
I don't think it's heartless. I think everything should be across the board. You give birth to a kid with FAS or addiction, so sorry, your chances of another are nil and void.
In the long run it would all wash out. I believe that lack of education and baby makers are the problem and the great equalizers. I don't believe it is a black/white issue, it's dumb asses making kids making kids making kids and it has been going on for quite sometime now between the races, including American Indians and Hispanics.
So, like, hello?
Asian Americans, (older) Muslim Americans and Jewish Americans are in the distinct MINORITY here. What's the problem?
I'm sort of a numbers guy, so I kept on checking. Turns out the government does directly measure poverty for single mothers. As I suspected, I was underestimating. I had used 15% as the rate for white single mothers. It's actually 26.5%. I had used 31% for black single mothers. It's actually 39.7%.
Apply those statistics, and you get 4.5% of white babies born into poverty (and I suspect welfare), versus 17.1% of black babies born into poverty (and probably welfare).
So, if you sterilized such parents without ever using race as a factor but only "giving birth to a welfare baby" as the standard, you'd be sterilizing one in 24 or 25 white parents, versus about one in every 6 black parents.
So, all the improvement in precision really does is reinforce the basic point that such a policy would be VASTLY disproportionate in its real-world impact.
Oh ykes, I look like a racist!
Guess who's coming to dinner? Me!
p.s.: Whitney, not even Dubya was allowed to fuck around with the Census Bureau. Seriously, he wasn't. I used to work in D.C., and the Census Bureau is as immune from political interference as it gets. There might be inaccuracies in the numbers, but they are not partisan.
Grinder,
Stats don't cover the hills of Appalachia. They, like Hispanics, are afraid of Census takers. I suggest a little trip up there. Been there, done that. It's scary big time. Like looking a deer caught in headlights. The "jokes" don't even begin to cover what I have seen for my own eyes.
12 y/o's with babies. 30 sumthin great grandmas. Awful.
And, the "govm't never been up heh!"
Census and the "Centers" can only reach those who are reachable or teachable.
So, the white wash might work out in the favor of those that are counted in the inner cities.
It would be a yip yipee parade for me as I don't trust the govm't as far as I can throw out the trash.
Goodnight and God bless,
Whitney Brown
wcbcwi@yahoo.com
Grinder,
I worked for the Census Bureau in KY and we did not get very far up in them thar hills.
Nighy night,
Whit
Attorneymom,
Sweet......check it out first thing at 0345 tomorrow!
Grinder,
Thanks for keeping it real and not calling out bad names, etc.
Thanks and sweet dreams,
Whitney B.
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The new and improve website will be up in a couple of days.
Remember punk azz parents raise punk azz children who become punk azz adults who give birth to punk azz children and thus the cycle of punkazzness continues.
Whitney, I am not the public relations spokesman for the Census. It's a big country, and I am sure some hillbillies and gang bangers don't get counted.
But they do a pretty good job. There have been some political arguments over how they count this or that, but I think their data are trustworthy. Are they perfect? Nope. But can you use the data knowing that the numbers haven't been distorted? I think so.
I'm a numbers guy, and that includes being well aware of the hazards of "false precision." The whole reason I went through this elongated exercise was to show how and why a sterilization policy would almost certainly be a VERY controversial issue.
Whether or not it'd affect one in four, six, or eight black parents, versus one in 40, 25, or 18 white ones is less important than the practical reality that even a "race neutral" policy would be a MUCH bigger deal among black (and Hispanic, or so at least some numbers imply) populations than among the white population.
Both Field and others in this and other threads have quite rightly called out irresponsible black parents for their irresponsibility, and I am EVER so happy to include irresponsible white parents on the call-out list. But when people start talking sterilization here, I think it's useful to haul out the numbers and talk a bit of truth.
I do wish there was an edit function here though, because I know my repeated posts on the subject have been confusing. Generally speaking, I really think it's best if people have a good solid idea of what they're dealing with. It doesn't have to be sliced and diced to the fourth decimal point, but in this case I do think it's pretty useful to take a look under the hood and see what's really there.
I appreciate it that you stuck in there with me as I kept going for the extra data and trying to lay it out there for examination.
My friend Filled Negro. How is everything going with you? I find it cathartic to drop by your blog from time to time as a means of understanding the concerns of the day and to make note of your proposed solutions.
As a "civil rights" operative I often wonder how you reconcile the focus and advocacy that you are inclined to promote VERSUS the fact that TODAY - the most frequent VIOLATOR of the civil rights of the people you purport to care about are the TERMITES WITHIN.
As an observer and critic of you and the machine that you operate within I sit back, dumbfounded and amazed at how DESPITE having your enemies cleared out of Philly and Baltimore and DC and Atlanta and Memphis and Chicago you all STILL centrally focus on your FIGHT AGAINST your conservative enemy while showing grave incompetence at dealing with the THREAT FROM WITHIN that YOU HAVE INCUBATED right from the cradle.
I am befuddled as I attempt to develop a strategy to displace YOUR which has failed. I am convinced that there is nothing that I can do until the COMMUNITY THAT YOU purport to HELP wants to CHANGE more than they want to remain in their entrenched position.
These communities don't need new political and ideological leadership (ie: conservatives). They need something more powerful such as JESUS.
Help me out Filled Negro for I am at the end of my rope. How do I make note of that which is happening "on your watch", make note of the grievances that you have and yet agree to have YOU open your mind to the notion that with you "trying harder at doing the very same thing"......the same results will be had only more intense in their disappointment?
Who else is there to rally the troops around that can act as the "external adversary" to unify them?
If LYNCHING was the most powerful violation that could draw people to the immediacy of the situation - most assuredly the death upon these streets should have the same effect today.
Whelp, the good ole racist party is at it again. This racist insult was aimed at our First Lady Michelle Obama. I think I might even do like someone else stated not to long ago on their blog. Take off my earrings, pull out my tennis shoes, vasoline... Because they keep on picking, don't know how to leave folks well enough alone, and asking for a knuckle sandwich and a tap dance in their eye.
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10526195&nav=0RaPIYA8
Grinder,
Why do you even pretend to care? This post could have been about the Taliban, and you would have still found a way to bring out your tired ass black female birth stats. You do it in so many of your comments. You never bring anything innovative to the table, it always ends up with these same stats. Why do you keep coming to this environment to bang that drum? What is it about you and black women having babies "out of wedlock"? Did you even consider how much more single white females run to the nearest clinic to flush down the evidence? But that's besides your point. It's about something else.
What is your underlining issue? Really. Do you actually give a shit about the ills in certain black communities? Or do you just wish for black people to stop multiplying before the earth gets too dark?
I think in some twisted way you resent black females period. Do you simply see black women as competition? Or do you have some type of misdirected anger towards black mothers because they primarily give birth to black men - black men who may have once hurt or rejected you?
Something is bothering you, keep it up and I'll be like a pirate up your butt every time you post your misguided judgmental foolishness on this blog.
GRANNY, fret not, some of these people are not in the SPIRIT! you can tell from their writing, you speak in the PROPHETIC, they speak in the CARNAL, you give a warning, they attack you for your insight, BLACK'S need to wake up, HISPANIC are some what aware of the WHITE MAN'S tactic's, that's why they are all over AMERICA over populating, they are becoming the dominant race, and the WHITE MAN hate's it.
Has anyone noticed that their are WHITE TV program's about WHITE family's with fifteen to sixteen kid's, do you think WHITE folk's are having all of those kid's for fun, NO, they are trying to over populate their RACE.
Wake up BLACK AMERICA, stop getting caught up in what statistic's say about our people, WHITE AMERICA has alway's and will alway's try to figure out a way to EXTERMINATE our RACE, and as a matter of fact, white folk's have baby's out of wedlock, so stop beating up on unwed BLACK MOTHER'S, but that's hard to do with our people, it's as if some of our people are programmed to believe and receive whatever the WHITE MAN speak's! did anyone know that the first Family Planning Clinic was opened in a BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD? and it was started by a WHITE WOMAN! her goal was to reduce the BIRTH RATE of little Black Baby's! so that's basically the main goal behind that tactic!
Granny, Hispanic's are shrewd, they are not all over AMERICA over populating for nothing, I was told a long time ago that their goal was to take back what they feel was stolen from them! and they started with CALIFORNIA, and now look! don't under estimate HISPANIC'S! they seem to be pulling off what they set out to do! and with their plan STERILIZATION is no where in the picture!
HI, GRANNY * PROPHETESS W *
Prophetess Wallace:
Amen, you on target with with what you said, and thanks for the confirmation. You sensed what I was starting to feel. If you wouldn't have gave me that encouragement, I was contemplating doing a Jonah on them. (wink)
Amen, and she was the woman that came up with the Eugenics plan
Hi GRANNY, I read what that wicked old man said about the First LADY, I pray that God deal's with him mightily, these crazy old WHITE MEN are truly coming out of the wood work's, this is beyond politic's,these people are trying to get the President to SNAP, but, not so, that's why I pray out for the President on a daily basis, their is no telling what these people will do, they are capable of anything! Granny it's just a matter of time before I begin to PRAY some WICKED PRAYER'S!!!! and then I will repent later!
PROPHETESS WALLACE*
"it was started by a WHITE WOMAN! her goal was to reduce the BIRTH RATE of little Black Baby's! so that's basically the main goal behind that tactic!"
I would never doubt the racist motives of some people, but it can't trump the fact that something still has to be done. Those racist people are not the victims and they are certainly not the ones doing the suffering and being left behind.
I would never doubt the racist motives of some people, but it can't trump the fact that something still has to be done.
___________________________________________________
So black genocide makes more sense?
Prophetess Wallace:
I know you how you feel because sometimes these old wicked men make you feel that way. I believe God has something in store for them in the making that is gone manifest pretty soon. He is gone put a stop to the naysayers in MSM too.
It's not about black genocide, we are allowing that issue of thought to triumph over another. This should go for more than one racial community. It should apply to people regardless of race who can't seem to provide the basics to raise law abiding and competitively functional children/people in society. It's not just black people, many of us would be amazed.
How odd Mr. Field that every time I pop in you seem to have the same topic going. Any solutions yet?
Seems you do articles like this every couple of months. Same statistics, same hand wringing, same "we need to", we should do" They have to" idealogical whimsy.
Perhaps the hard-line measures I proposed long ago might be more palatable now? (sterilization WAS NOT one of them) Doubt it. They still come from the mouth of a white man.
A while ago the black communities were being destroyed by crack. The Congressional Black Caucus proposed harsher penalties for dealers and users of crack cocaine. Now, however, since y'all have noticed blacks are disproportionately charged with the harsher sentence.... there is an uproar from the usual race chasers and things will be changed. What makes you think anything will change to fix the disproportionate birth of welfare children among blacks?
Sterilization is fun to imagine, but no more realistic that turning these thugs around with a pancake breakfast and a hug.
Nope Mr. Field. Its far too big and complex a problem to be fixed by a scalpel and a few norplants. And speaking from a white point of view, which I can, we have no intention of sticking our hands in that hornets nest.
See you in a few weeks when the next fatherless, diploma-less, directionless hopeless young man commits another horrendous crime that has everyone in here, yet again, shocked and horrified and at a loss.
Keep those stats handy Grinder, you'll need them again very soon.
Prophetess Wallace:
I am going to go get in my bed early tonight. Thirty more minutes and that is what I plan to do. I'm tired. I was up until four a.m. close to 5 something this morning, and up at 7 a.m. I don't plan on staying up that late tonight.
Mel:
I liked your post.
Oh Mr, Whitey:
I got an idea. Tell the CIA and those rich white folks at the top of the drug game to stop flooding our neighborhoods with guns and drugs.
Lavincognita, your word's sound pretty, but, you look at the world as it should be, not like it is, the truth is America was build on injustice, this is a Race thing, and their are wicked people in this world, now I don't know who you are, but, tell me if we had a White President would he need the amount of protection that the President has, the answer is NO! so this is just a example of injustice! and the list go's on! and let's not mention the DEATH THREAT'S! is this fair, NO! and if you think for one minute, that their are not WICKED people out their trying to plot and plan how to get to the President, then you are not paying attention as you should be! as a matter of fact, FOX NEW'S is trying their best to start a RACE! and guess who they want to get rid of! now this is the world we live in!
Night all, and GBU.
i grew up inside the 610 loop of houston texas .. an urban area with tree line streets .. where parents worked everyday .. we went to church twice a week .. education was mentioned daily .. we were told what was expected of us .. the village was in place .. you get the picture.
unfortunately, the state decided to route a freeway right through my little piece of heaven .. next, unions were busted, parents lost their jobs .. some parents became entrepreneurs, those with transferable skills found employment and others retired because they lived their life using their hands .. industries left the neighborhood .. many of the city services stop.
meanwhile my generation .. grew up and decided to move to the suburbs .. that’s what educated folks do who have money they moved for better schools, better class of people .. to feel safe .. regrettably they did not understand intergenerational transfer of wealth (education does not buy common sense) and the neighborhood died. some would call this urban area the ghetto (that word does something to my soul) .. i call it home and i feel very safe. its true some kids are without parents (due to many variables ) however they’re respectfully and doing the best they can (bless their souls).
everyone journey is different and sadly we’ve the heaviness of the black journey which takes a mental toll on the entire experience. yes, there’re some things we need to work through. however i’ll not give up on these kids (they’re not thugs or punk azz).. in fact i would rather my taxes dollars go to helping these kids on the front–end .. instead of bailouts for the bankers.
as for my neighborhood which is 4 miles from downtown houston and easy access to all major freeways and toll roads .. one word “gentrification” .. i’m hoping my parents get really nice neighbors ..
i would suggest we start given a few words of encouragement instead of this dehumanization .. is this the field? .. ya’ll act as if you forgot what happen ..
Why do you even pretend to care? This post could have been about the Taliban, and you would have still found a way to bring out your tired ass black female birth stats. You do it in so many of your comments.
You're right, La Idiot. I don't give a fuck. I do this just so I can talk shit about black people. You caught me! Brilliant!
Ahhhhhhhh, it's late, and I can finally get my last jab in at "some folks." Granny, you asked " Do you know what a gluteus maximus is? "
Well, do you and Whitney B know what's on the opposite side of my g.m.?
Why off the deep end? to sterilization? Can't we all just do birth control until the kids are older and more stable in their lives to have babies?
Girls, young girls, girls who have not finished an education, girls who haven't gotten at least a toehold on life should not be having babies on their own.
Given half a chance--you cannot convince me that women do not do their best for their children if they have the skills.
Drugs and alcohol are used to numb pain and misery and these numbing stopgaps make for bad decisions and some bad babies. At some point it is too far and a woman should not have MORE babies that are damaged and/or unwanted.
A woman who adopted four (4) out of eight (8) babies by an addicted mother found out that addicted mothers would accept a $200 (now $500) to be sterilized. She set up a foundation to do just that. Please read link. It is saddeningly eye opening.
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-13-2006/0004248759&EDATE
fn
ditto!
when i say we are doomed, i say this because this is the NORM in way too many black families today...
god bless the newest victims of the amoral spawn of turbo breeders...
ps:
steve harvey has a great new comedy show
in it he does an entire routine about his toxic niece who is 25 with 5 children and her wedding to a thug on house arrest...
it is hilarious and tragic and true for MOST of her peers today...
peace
ab
Mr. Whitey,
James Von Brunn had a college degree and came from an intact nuclear family.
In other words redneck, clean up your own freakin house before you attempt to lecture black people who are your betters.
Granny:
With so many Black people being killed in areas that are controlled by the ideology and party that you favor........I am glad that the aim with your shot gun is so accurate.
You've got the GOP on the run.
SURELY the killing of Black people in Philadelphia and elsewhere is going to stop now.
[quote]In other words redneck, clean up your own freakin house before you attempt to lecture black people who are your betters.
[/quote]
WhiteBowieSteve:
Do you mind if I analyze your logic for a second?
You are arguing that since this WHITE SUPREMACIST guy has gone off and killed a Black man in the context of committing a HATE CRIME.........you have thus given adequate proof as to why conservative whites should MIND THEIR OWN DAMNED BUSINESS and focus on getting their own house in order?
They should worry about stopping THEIR WHITE PEOPLE from killing Black people......while YOU focus on stopping BLACK DOMESTIC PIRATES from killing Black people by stopping the White GOP from taking jobs and education away from the Blacks?
I gotcha now.
CF
What will it take to penetrate that handkerchief that you have wrapped so tightly around your head that it's cutting off your blood circulation?
Do you believe that race is a causative factor in crime?
Do you deny that most black people are not criminals and are law abiding?
Do you deny that most black folks do not live in the ghetto?
Finally, if the GOP were holding political office in the inner cities what specifically would they do to end the cycle of poverty and violence?
Don't be a punk.
ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
One more thing CF
It's always amusing to see how quickly and gleefully you are ready to run inteference for white racists but my point to him AND YOU is that white people are in no moral position whatsoever to be wagging fingers and lecturing black folks about culture or behavior.
Period.
Ass grinder, the truth shall set you free.
Steve - DESPITE my attempts to ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS it never fails. You want me to ANSWER HOW YOU want me to rather than to actually LISTEN WHAT YOU NEED TO BE HEARING.
[quote]Do you believe that race is a causative factor in crime?[/quote]
Steve - If I, a Black man were to tell you "Yes" then indeed you'd have every justification in calling me what you already call me anyway.
This if I THOUGHT "Yes" then I, a Black man WOULD BE A CRIMINAL.
I'd be more interested in YOU telling ME how the MAJORITY OF BLACK PEOPLE
A) Manage to not be criminals
and, MORE IMPORTANTLY
B) How DESPITE the common "slave heritage" that we all possess...the notion of DERIVATIVE BEHAVIOR has NOT cause you and I to BE CRIMINALS because this force has turned us into Zombies?
Why do you look for me to dutifully DENOUNCE any claims about "racial causation" of crime" but sit SILENTLY as Democratic operatives such as Dr Ronald Walters tries to sell the point that because "We wuz slaves" we have all been FORCED into criminal tendencies?
ISN'T THIS JUST AS OFFENSIVE?
It is to me.
[quote]
Do you deny that most black people are not criminals and are law abiding?[/quote]
See above. Question answered.
[quote]
Do you deny that most black folks do not live in the ghetto?[/quote]
The GHETTO is not a physical place. There is a stronger MENTAL component to "the ghetto" than there is physical.
To answer your question:
I DO NOT BELIEVE that the Prevailing Black Culture has trashed the notion that you are a "real Black person" ONLY IF you have made it up through the Ghetto.
THIS is far more damaging than any physical ghetto and the question of if most of us live there or not.
[quote]
Finally, if the GOP were holding political office in the inner cities what specifically would they do to end the cycle of poverty and violence?[/quote]
Steve - You and other Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chasers have YIELDED your RIGHT ask this question.
After decades of effort - EVERY SINGLE BLACK MAJORITY DISTRICT IN AMERICA IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEMOCRATS. Why do I need to submit to YOUR hypothetical situation?
It seems that YOU, if you were intellectually honest would instead TELL THE MASSES OF BLACK PEOPLE exactly WHAT WE HAVE GAINED AS A COMMUNITY for dutifully following the PRESCRIPTION that you and others have been selling us on.
Thus the more POWERFUL notion would be for all people who promote the best interests of the BLACK COMMUNITY above their party and ideologically loyalties to INSURE that THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE COMES YOUR WAY SELLING PROMISES.......you get them to PROVE THAT THEY WILL DELIVER BEFORE you agree to go their way. This is twice as important when they draw upon your sentiments and sell purported solutions that are in line with your present views at the time when you are AGGRIEVED.
Instead they need to sell you on solutions that will appeal to a person that has reached a CONSCIOUS STATE and then work to REVERSE ENGINEER a pathway that leads back from this CONSCIOUS STATE to where you now stand.
[quote]
Don't be a punk.
It's always amusing to see how quickly and gleefully you are ready to run inteference for white racists but my point to him AND YOU is that white people are in no moral position whatsoever to be wagging fingers and lecturing black folks about culture or behavior.[/quote]
Steve -
WHITE RACISTS seek to:
* Kill or assault Blacks to keep us in our place
* Steal or deny educational opportunities to us to keep us marginalized
* Destroy economic opportunity from us so we will stay where we are
* Inject us with infectious substances so that we might die.
STEVE - can you tell me WHICH OF THESE threats is NOT PRESENT as received from another BLACK PERSON today?
For example - MORE CLASSROOM INSTRUCTIONAL TIME is CONFISCATED by the disruptions done by "thugs in training" today than by any used text books sent from a White school with so many pages torn out that the books are unusable.
Steve you are a master "Racist Scare Crow" builder, planting them throughout the Black community to insure that they have your intended result.
CF
You are total fraud.
A pathetic white weenie suckin phony.
Your whole conversation consists of false assertions, strawmen, astounding leaps in logic and garden variety white racism presented with a big watermelon grin.
You make me ill.
"Why do you look for me to dutifully DENOUNCE any claims about "racial causation" of crime" but sit SILENTLY as Democratic operatives such as Dr Ronald Walters tries to sell the point that because "We wuz slaves" we have all been FORCED into criminal tendencies?"
That's a outright lie.
Just as when the urban poor were Southern and Eastern Europeans were the inner city poor and were the preponderance of criminals in the early part of the 20th twentieth century, for the last 50 years the urban poor has been black and brown and they demonstrate the same behavior.
"The GHETTO is not a physical place. There is a stronger MENTAL component to "the ghetto" than there is physical."
So you're suggesting that whatever station in life a black person attains, they are still subject to a "ghetto mindset".
Except black conservatives, of course.
Don't take this the wrong way but in the true spirit in which it's meant.
GET BENT YOU PATHETIC UNCLE TOM.
HOW DARE YOU.
"After decades of effort - EVERY SINGLE BLACK MAJORITY DISTRICT IN AMERICA IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEMOCRATS. Why do I need to submit to YOUR hypothetical situation."
Because you insist on portraying every black community as a dysfunctional ghetto and that is an abominable lie.
What makes it even more offensive is that you know better.
You just spew this bull$hit in a sad attempt to draw attention to yourself as some sort of iconoclast.
You ever really think about WHY you black conservatives are so despised by the majority of the black community?
To me it's so obvious.
Way too late for this to reach you, but Granny Standing For Truth - I love you.
Sarah Deere
fast money trumps education
this dooms most kids of all races
drug sales, welfare checks, gang thefts, sports/rap contracts...all trump hard academic toil/any hard work
and this is a toxic truth across all boundaries of race and class:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Why-I-mostly-support-Bryce-Harper-s-decision-to-?urn=mlb,170270
shame!!!
ab
fn:
no race is immune to turbo breeders
7 babies found in squalor and they are NOT black...
this is becoming the norm for most toxic young parents who do no chores and teach none...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_child_endangerment_arrests
shame!!!
ab
[quote]You ever really think about WHY you black conservatives are so despised by the majority of the black community?
[/quote]
WhiteBowieSteve:
The same establishment that "despises Black Conservatives" DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NO POWER.......are the same people who seek to WORK WITH DOMESTIC PIRATES, turning them around because they are thought to have some good left in them.
This is possible ONLY BECAUSE they are able to over look the murder and mayhem they've done.
"Finally, if the GOP were holding political office in the inner cities what specifically would they do to end the cycle of poverty and violence?[/quote]
Steve - You and other Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chasers have YIELDED your RIGHT ask this question.
After decades of effort - EVERY SINGLE BLACK MAJORITY DISTRICT IN AMERICA IS CONTROLLED BY THE DEMOCRATS. Why do I need to submit to YOUR hypothetical situation?
It seems that YOU, if you were intellectually honest would instead TELL THE MASSES OF BLACK PEOPLE exactly WHAT WE HAVE GAINED AS A COMMUNITY for dutifully following the PRESCRIPTION that you and others have been selling us on.
Thus the more POWERFUL notion would be for all people who promote the best interests of the BLACK COMMUNITY above their party and ideologically loyalties to INSURE that THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE COMES YOUR WAY SELLING PROMISES.......you get them to PROVE THAT THEY WILL DELIVER BEFORE you agree to go their way. This is twice as important when they draw upon your sentiments and sell purported solutions that are in line with your present views at the time when you are AGGRIEVED.
Instead they need to sell you on solutions that will appeal to a person that has reached a CONSCIOUS STATE and then work to REVERSE ENGINEER a pathway that leads back from this CONSCIOUS STATE to where you now stand."
AND STILL NO ANSWER TO THE QUESION! I have been waiting for it [the answer to that quesiton] ever since I started reading the [un]constructive ones comments.
But,sadly, I don't think it will ever be forthcoming.
steve, let me try:
"....if the GOP were holding political office in the inner cities what specifically would they do to end the cycle of poverty and violence?"
*tick tock tick tock tick tock.....
Some people should not be parents! This crosses all races, all ages, all social and economical barriers.
Sterilization may not work. I don't believe in forcing it or abstinence or abortion on others. What I do believe is there should be less incentives to obtain welfare. If you want 'help' from the government, then the government should be able to decide other aspects of how, how much, and for how long this assistance is provided. At no time should the benefits of getting on welfare outweigh the benefits of getting the hell off it! The system as it is offers more pros than cons. If keeps people in the financial bondage so they never own anything, so they develop many ways to beat the system, they stay on Section 8, and they continue to breed generations that embrace the hope of welfare.
Meanwhile other people have to do a hell of a lot more; work 2 jobs , get little to none assistance with utilities, have the kids they think they can afford etc and struggle every damn day.
I'm not saying welfare is not needed, it is for some. But too often the people that get it scam to maintain it, and many have no desire to EVER get off. They encourage their sisters, their daughters and their grandaughters to continue the cycle and become life time recipients of a program created to provide short termed relief.
there’s a misconception that the elections of blacks or liberal others as office holders “change” will automatically occur. i have found that not to be the case at the
local/county level.
in many city halls and county commissioner courts across this nation, blacks and liberal others who are office holders are in the minority .. votes are required for projects and frankly in many situations the votes are not there to get things done in urban areas.
my experiences in attending those meetings .. one may request city or county services and the replies are .. there’s no monies in the budget, we do not have the votes to get this item passed or citizen cane group has a relationship with the mayor(code for they gave money).
what we found to be effective is building relationships with department managers (field negro’s) who are a great inside resource and very helpful in the navigation through the bureaucracy. many elected officials will return a call but we need to do the work and we can start with stopping the political finger pointing.
as i read different cultural blogs what I find really remarkable, the afrospear is where we refer to “each other” in distasteful terms. those who hate unity did a great job; we’re doing all of their dirty work for them at every level. that’s disappointing .. if we want to understand where our kids acquire this self-destructive behavior .. we should look in the mirror.
our ancestors did not give up on us and we cannot give up on those generations that will follow us .. my speculation, if we can produce in spirit .. a couple of field negro’s .. a couple of fannie lou hamer.. zora neal hurston .. e. franklin frazier.. percy lavon julian or dr. mae carol jemison .. they will be okay.
peace
Cinco, I think people should stop having more than 2.5 kids even if they make 6 figures. I doubt you make 6 figures, and yet you're a black women who had 5 or more kids. Anyone could wonder if you seeked assistance from Uncle Sam one time or the other. But I strongly agree with you, though the kids are going to be the one to suffer after birth has taken place either way.
poverty is a curse
but self inflicted poverty by turbo breeding should be a crime
ie
harvard is offering free tuition to kids of poor parents
here is the catch:
you must be an honors student
with free internet at free libraries/free public ed/free home ed etc...there is no excuse for failure when you have parents who teach you to care about education.
PERIOD.
http://www.harvard.edu/admissions/
shame that this wonderful free opp will be lost to so many who have chosen not to prepare!
shame!
ab
new breed:
when in rome/harvard
do as romans do
when you escape the hood
do not infect your oasis with hood bs
http://gawker.com/5266049/havard-killing-leads-to-rumors-of-campus-drug-dealing
excellent article on
wtbd = what turbo breeders do:
http://www.eurweb.com/story/eur54009.cfm
shame!!!!!!!!!
ab
Alicia Banks at 12:11
You REALLY know how to get you points across...and I wholeheartedly agree with you comments.
anon:
thanks!
this issue = my greatest passion in life = my fav topic
i am deep in the trenches on the front lines with the babies that turbo breeders doom daily...
even in my new post in corp admin
i now tutor select babies/parents as i choose...
my mom just retired 2 weeks ago after teaching 5th grade for 27 years...
her greatest relief: that she will never have to teach any of the P-2
students she saw this year...
last week, a tall second grader at her school beat an elder vet teacher severely enough to send her to ER with s sprained arm and shoulder...
tragic!
ab
OMG this is the first I a hearing about this.
We have our issues out here in Los Angeles but this is incredible.
Sperm donors and the breeders who love them are running amok.
@ anon by choice...
Since you addressed part of your comments to me I will respond. I indeed am a woman that had 5 children. By choice. All the same father. While I was married to him for 22 years. I'm a registered nurse for over 25 years and my ex husband retired from the US Postal service. We make and have made decent money down through the years. I've only saught the governments' help when my older daugters needed financial assistance for college- it's a bit hard having 2 in college @ the same time. I have no regrets seeking help when I needed it. My oldest has her Master's; my second begins a Master's program in the fall(where her salaried position in finance/with a minor in international Spanish business pays completely thanks to her BC Bachalor's degree) and my middle child begins her senior year @ college in the fall, with plans to continue as well.
Not boasting, but just clarifying help from the government is great! I just don't support never doing anything with all the help you've received.
here is more on generic inhumanity:
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Convenience.Store.Clerk.2.1047612.html
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