Monday, June 22, 2009

Cheap wingnut tricks.


Have you all been paying attention to the latest political debate over the showdown in Iran? If you haven't, you have been missing some of the best examples of political hypocrisy since Newt and his boyz impeached Bubba.

Here we have the neocons and some (I say some because not all the folks on the right have lost their minds) of their cronies from the right, imploring his O ness to more openly embrace the people of Iran and show them that the A-merry-can people are behind them.

These clowns have been channeling their inner Reagan and they have been making fools of themselves while doing it. I mean let's ask ourselves; what is it, exactly, that they would want Obama to say to these folks? How could he possibly make the situation on the ground there better by stating the obvious? Do these idiots realize that having a sitting A-merry-can president praise the protesters is exactly the type of fuel the Mullahs want for their fire of hatred for the west? Here is a news flash for you clueless neocons: There is nothing republic about the Islamic Republic of Iran. The Mullahs and the Supreme Leader, Ali Hoseini Khameini, have the final say so in their state of affairs, so whether it's Mousavi or Ahmadinejad, it doesn't really matter. It is, after all, a Theocracy. So please folks, don't expect to be partying in downtown Tehran to Kanye West tunes anytime soon. The fact that the Mullahs have come out for Ahmadinejad kind of gives you an idea of where their heads are. If his O ness seems like he is meddling they will only use it as an excuse to bash the "great Satan" to the Iranian people and change the subject from the real issues. The Mullahs are good at this type of stuff, apparently they trick their own people all the time."They tricked us into this whole thing. They got us out in droves, only to fool us and credit themselves...I even got five of my family members who had not voted since the revolution to come out and vote. Shame on me!" I shouldn't have had to explain that. But then again, we are talking about wingnuts, here.


Still, these neoclowns will hear none of it. They want a Reaganesque quote: "General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” Nothing else will do. Supreme Leader Khameini, drop those tear gas canisters. Give me a break! Hey, don't get me wrong, I feel for people like Neda Soltan, but whatever Obama said or didn't say was not going to affect her fate one way or the other.

And finally, here is a little bit of irony to consider: Neda might not even have been alive to protest if the neocons had their way. The very same neocons who are now screaming for us to stand behind the Iranian people would have bombed them into oblivion if they had their way under the frat boy. In fact, for awhile FOX was pushing it so hard, that I started to wonder if they didn't already plan a reality series around it. The Bombing of Tehran, see how ordinary Iranians cope with American might. Let me stop. But you get the idea. These people are sick.


Let's not forget folks. The people protesting for their freedom in Iran, are, for the most part, brave and courageous. The people in this country who are using their protest to score political points, are slimy cowards.








63 comments:

puddy said...

Amen,FN.

I'm sure protesting Iranians appreciate John McCain trying to show sympathy for them after he sang "Bomb Iran" to the troops during the presidential campaign.

The nerve.

Black Diaspora said...

@Field: "The Mullahs and the Supreme Leader, Ali Hoseini Khameini, have the final say so in their state of affairs, so whether it's Mousavi or Ahmadinejad, it doesn't really matter."

Precisely!

The Iranian people have a right to throw off the yoke of oppression, but that's not what they're doing.

Basically, they're protesting against a stolen election, and little else.

What I'm seeing is not a revolution in the classic sense, although many in our country have projected that description upon the unrest we're seeing there.

If Mousavi is suddenly pronounced the election winner, all that's wrong with Iran (an oppressive Theocracy) will continue unabated.

You can't remove a yoke from the neck of a people, if they continually replace what has been removed.

And Prez Obama is correct to limit his support for this protest, because in the end, he'll still be dealing with Iran's current leaders.

Repubs don't care about what's going on over there--despite urging our government to give the Iranian people our support.

They see Iran as the opportunity it is, and represents.

Repubs would just as soon bomb Iran into oblivion, as to use it as an opportunity to bomb Dems into oblivion.

Repubs will continue to chip away at Prez Obama's approval numbers, anyway possible, endlessly.

The only way that they can look good again in the eyes of the American people is to make Prez Obama, and the Dems as popular as the Swine Flu.

Gua said...

Thank you Field, this is nothing but White-boy arrogance!!! What the hell are they thinking other than trying to score political points. I have been listening to this tripe all weekend in total awe. They should all be ashamed of themselves but I know they are not. I will give kudos to Richard Lugar the ranking Repub on the Foreign relations committe who was the lone repub that gave Obama props for his nuanced message to Iran and was totally on board with Obama's approach!!

Elena said...

Thanks for this posting Field, truth be told are they really interested in Iran's freedom? Or like you said scoring political points for themselves....

sick freak said...

Oh the hypocrisy of you on the left.

If Bush would have done this the headline would be--

BUSH GETS SOME ICE CREAM HAS IRAN BURNS!!!

BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IRANIANS!!


" The fact that the Mullahs have come out for Ahmadinejad kind of gives you an idea of where their heads are."

These are the same folks Obama wants to grill some hotdogs with on the 4th.

Jody said...

I so agree with you Field. Today one of these loons actually said the solution is Iran needs more guns... huh????
Obama has handled this well, and frankly it is refreshing having a president that recognizes that it is not the role of the US to claim a role in this. This belongs to the Iranian people... their courage is inspiring and from what I have read, they are only getting started... next is Strike.

sick freak said...

Thank God Canada and Germany has strong leaders willing to stand with and support the Iranian protesters.

Obama can kick back and eat ice cream has Canada and Germany leads the way.

field negro said...

"Obama can kick back and eat ice cream has Canada and Germany leads the way."

Really? Kind of like the frat boy played 18 every other day while thousands of Iraqis died? Okay, I get it now. *shaking head*

sick freak, can you call some of your friends over? We would really like to understand the mindset of you wingnuts.

Sarge said...

And yet, what would the Iranian in the street think of American support? Given their history with the US of A, I'd maybe be very leery of whoever seemed to be chummy with the American establishment, there's probably a screwing at the far end of the affair.

I remember things, the "tear down this wall" bollocks as well.

The great speech, the great moment, and then Gorby, the rotten, back stabbin' sonofabitch actually let it happen. Damn!

The powers that is must have just about shit in their clothes.

Then we heard hpw this was not a good thing after all. It was, in fact, very bad, had in fact made the world a more dangerous place than before. Oh, to see the world like a pundit. Life would be so uch easier.

ch555x said...

Like what a lot of folks said during the Iraq fiasco, if these wingnuts want all this stuff, they need to strap on them vests, mount up, and head over there!

sick freak said...

So why do moonbats bring up Bush to explain Barry Obama's weak leadership??


How does Barry grill some hotdogs with these folks on the 4th after this??


Is this the hope and change we was promised??

field negro said...

"So why do moonbats bring up Bush to explain Barry Obama's weak leadership??"

Maybe it's because they hate hypocrisy?

kathy said...
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Jody said...

So Sick, here are the words of IRANIANS. Will you respect THEIR wishes? I have read this reaction in multiple forums.

Hush

by Azadeh Moaveni

Azadeh Moaveni has reported on Iran for Time magazine and other publications since 1999. She is the author of Lipstick Jihad, the co-author of Shirin Ebadi’s memoir Iran Awakening, and most recently, Honeymoon in Tehran.
Even during subdued times, Iranians tend to have oversize expectations of the United States, and what it can or cannot do for their troubled nation. I remember riding a bus through central Tehran last summer, surprised at how openly a young woman expressed her desperation with the grim state of Iranian politics: “Let the Americans come,” she said loudly. "Let them sort things out for us once and for all." The women's section, at the back of the bus of course, took her remark casually, and some nodded.
This lingering belief among Iranians that America has some unique control over their fate is a legacy of the two nations' tangled past.
Given this history, Iranians have looked curiously to Washington in recent days, eager to see what America's new president has to say about Ahmadinejad's fraudulent re-election and the furious protests it has unleashed. The years I've spent living in Iran, both under President Ahmadinejad and his more moderate predecessor, led me to expect that most people would be desperate for a nod from America. Until last week, Iranian student leaders often insisted that they didn't have the power to meaningfully oppose their government from the inside. They said they needed the West to pressure the mullahs as well, in hopes that the regime would eventually feel squeezed on all sides.
But in conversations with friends and relatives in Tehran this week, I've heard the opposite of what I had expected: a resounding belief that this time the United States should keep out. One of my cousins, a woman in her mid-30s who has been attending the daily protests along with the rest of her family, viewed the situation pragmatically. “The U.S. shouldn't interfere, because a loud condemnation isn't going to affect Iranian domestic politics one way or the other. If the supreme leader decides to crackdown on the protests and Ahmadinejad stays in power, then negotiations with the United States might improve our lives.”
I heard these sentiments, remarkably thoughtful for such a passionate moment, echoed from many quarters. President Barack Obama's outreach to Iran, and his offer of a mutually respectful dialogue, has raised the possibility of better relations for the first time in years, and many Iranians worry that a false step might jeopardize that prospect altogether. A friend of mine who studies public relations in Tehran noted that other American allies in the Gulf, Arab dictatorships with no pretence of democracy, are thriving economically. “In the end, a dictatorship that doesn't face U.S. sanctions is better off than one that does,” she said. “Now that after 30 years it seems that we have a chance to negotiate with America, it would be a shame if we lost the chance.”
Other friends I spoke with cited various reasons why the United States should maintain its discrete posture. “If Obama's position until now has been to respect Iran, then he really has no choice but to watch first how things unfold. Mousavi hasn't produced any facts yet, no one has produced evidence of fraud,” said my friend Ali, a 40-year-old photographer. “That's what is needed before Obama takes a major stand.”
My older relatives fretted particularly that any real criticism by the United States would be used as a pretext by Ahmadinejad to blame the protests on “outside enemies,” a reflexive response for the president when dealing with even housing inflation and the rising price of tomatoes. “It's better for Obama to stay out of this. Given what happened with Bush in Florida, Ahmadinejad can always claim the United States is in no position to lecture anyone about fair elections,” my aunt noted.

Eve said...

I am torn about all this. There is an uproar, okay, I get that but what is this really about? "Our" guy lost the election, bottom line and you can always count on the ever faithful media to report the government line.

Come on Field you know we prop up these governments to keep them unstable so we can get in there and get stuff.

I read somewhere else where it was predicted that the US would get the media to keep hyping this thing non stop to further destabilize that country.

All of this "concern" about what's going on over there knowing full well they are next on the "to bomb" list.

Now you get all of these people who are posting this stuff all over the internet who didn't say shit in 2000 when shady election dealings were going down in our own country.

sick freak said...

kathy is soooo funnie


field negro said...
Maybe it's because they hate hypocrisy?

Thats why so many libs hate themselves.
Thanks fo dropin' some knowledge FN!!

sick freak said...

Ahmad Batebi---

"His (Obama) lack of response will not be regarded lightly. We will watch for how much his response will help the people or the regime. We will know more this week... Obama can hold talks with the regime in Iran if he wants. Is it morally correct for Obama to support the regime? Does he actually believe the people of Iran will appreciate that? The social movement requires support. If the world really wants the advent of terrorism to disappear in the Middle East, if they want peace with the Palestinians and Israel, if they want nuclear techhology to be developed for peaceful things and not nuclear weapons... They only need to support the people of Iran right now. This regime has the most dangerous of ideologies. They're killing the opposition.



Which words/IRANIANS/wishes
do we respect Jody??

BTW FN,The protesting has already been blamed on the Jews and Americas.So whats the excuse for Barry's weak leadership?

sick freak said...

"Americans"

old white guy said...

The people in this country who are using their protest to score political points, are slimy cowards.

Well said.

Monie said...

GOP strategy 2009: Say the craziest thing imaginable then check the public reaction. If it’s bad then act as though the crazy thing was never said then the next day say something else crazy and so on and so on.

The hope is that one day the GOP will stumble upon something that more than their lunatic base will get behind.

Mr. Noface said...

Obama is striking the correct tone in this issue. The uprising (?) in Iran is organic move for change, coming from within. It may end up turning into a revolution for the people and by the people. I agree we must condemn the violence (sanctioned by the government) against the protestors but we should not be asserting with any definitiveness that the elections were rigged and the Opposition would have won otherwise, because in truth we don't know that.

Anyone who knows about the history between Iran and the United States and understands how the politics in Iran actually play out, will tell you that Obama’s response is just right (for now).

Anonymous said...

Given our history, one would think the USA would be cautious about opening our big mouths and becoming embroiled or causing another catastrophe like Iraq or Vietnam.

But the Republicans have always been the warmongers in America. That attitude could cost us "everything" one day.

We should not open our big mouths and cause those in power to kill thousands of people in the streets. Let's not make things worse for the sake of Republican politics. The people of Iran do not want American intervention. FYI, they don't like us. They think we are infidels...Satan's disciples.

Considering the politics the Republicans are playing with Iran, I can understand why they think we are Satan.

Saleema said...

First of all Field,

Great post. Well said.

Secondly, why do you bother answering sick freak? Please people, stop ansering that man/woman/whatever.

Gregory said...

What would Ol' Newt have said had if the Iranians got all uppity over the Bush v Gore debacle in 2000? Something along the lines of MYOB, I suspect.

The situation in Iran is complex and nuanced, two descriptors that place understanding beyond the likes of Newt and our own resident idiot, Sicky. Obama's cautious approach is a welcome relief from the faux machismo of the neocons.

On another note, FN, your patience with SF is admirable but have you considered showing him/her the door?

east austin said...

why is there a correlation between religion/power and greed/power that produces the same outcome .. destruction

Anonymous said...

Spot on. I also noticed that Khamenie gave a speech where he named Britain Iran's greatest enemy. Many diplomats called this a proxy for America..Khamenei needs a great enemy and only a year ago thats exactly what america was. Now because of Obamas popularity in Iran, he doesnt dare mention the US. Obama has done alot more for the pro-democracy movement in Iran then Bush or the repubs could ever do.

Rush Limbaugh, Bush, Cheyney..they're all the exact same sort of people as Khamenei and Ahmadinejad just in a different setting.

Anonymous said...

Also I'd like to disagree with whoever said that they're protesting a stolen election and little else..thats exactly how its been portrayed in the western media, but its no where near accurate. Many protesters are frusterated that outside media is portraying them as simply pro-moussavi supporters. The election farce was what got people onto the streets..but now the mood of the protests has changed and many people are protesting against the Islamic regime as a whole. The regime has been unpopular for a very long time, but any uprisings against it were quelled straight away. If anyone wants to know more about the history of the revolution i would recommend watching persepolis-really good movie

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

The United States cannot solve all of the world's problems and should not act militarily, except when our own interests are directly threatened. Now the U.S. has an opportunity to reassess priorities and focus on what needs to be done at home. It's time to concentrate on domestic concerns such as providing first-rate schools, economy, housing, and health care for all of our citizens.

The U.S. must pay attention to a host of deteriorating political situations that spiraled out of control when Bush and Cheney ruled. Ultimately, this is also the most practical way to promote world peace, and to expand markets for U.S. goods abroad.

Now, I'm going sit back in my corner where it's peaceful.

Bob said...

What's the Prez supposed to do, encourage thousands of Iranians to martyr themselves? Like the Southern Iraqi Shiites the first Bush wanted to rise up against Saddam. These protestors aren't trying to overthrow the Islamic Republic, or trash their constitution, & they aren't promising not to build nuclear weapons.

Justice58 said...

Hey Granny,

Love you!

Christopher Chambers said...

The funny thing is, these protesters aren't pro-USA, por-Israel. Much of this about how the govt is allowing them to have their ipods and nose jobs, their forzen yogurt and AnnTaylor Loft. The motives are very complex, the aspirations are both national and personal...but what's Barack to do? Bomb Tehran? Air drop assault rifles? He's done all he can do.

I mean, there are morons like Sick freak who might buy this crap, but normal folks understand the truth of it. This stuff's got to play out without us feeding the hardliners bullshit. Unfornately we didn't figure on the hardliners here, doing their usual freak dance. Birds of feather, Field.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Hello Justice58:

Love you too!

Black Diaspora said...

Anonymous said...
"Also I'd like to disagree with whoever said that they're protesting a stolen election and little else...."

Anon, see Christopher Chambers.

Until I see this protest morph into something that resembles a real revolution, where the Iranians overthrow the ruling regime, I will maintain my position: This is more about a "stolen election" than about replacing an oppressive theocracy.

I've heard all the other rhetoric about the revolutionary aspects of this unrest.

And even you admitted that the protest initially wasn't about the promotion of a revolution:

"....but now the mood of the protests has changed and many people are protesting against the Islamic regime as a whole."

If the Supreme Leader decrees tomorrow a Mousavi win (which he won't), the people will lay down their burdens, and meekly return to the comfort and safety of their homes.

Civil unrest does not a revolution make.

field negro said...

Anon. 12:30AM I read and respect your position. But I will do like BD and take a wait and see attitude on this one. Also @ what Christopher said.

"What's the Prez supposed to do, encourage thousands of Iranians to martyr themselves? Like the Southern Iraqi Shiites the first Bush wanted to rise up against Saddam. These protestors aren't trying to overthrow the Islamic Republic, or trash their constitution, & they aren't promising not to build nuclear weapons."

Great point Bob!

Saleema and Gregory, I bother with SF because every now and then I get a brain freeze and think that I can rehabilitate one of these folks.:)

nyc/caribbean ragazza said...

Thank you!

I have been amazed by (why I don't know) some of the nonsense coming from the GOP leaders who feel Obama isn't doing enough.

This is a complicated situation. Cowboy diplomacy doesn't work. I'm glad we have a President that is thinking before he speaks. Germany, Canada and France all have a different relationship with Iran than the US or Britain.

The Iranian government would love nothing more than to run on state radio that the USA is behind the "terrorists" protesting in the streets.

RiPPa said...

Thanks Field for snapping me back to reality with this one. Lately I've been feeling a little unpatriotic since I'm not moved by these recent events.

For a minute I kinda rationalized it the way you did, but with the inundation of media coverage on this I couldn't help but to think Obama should send troops into Iran.

Ok, so I'm joking.

Seriously, WTF do these people want Obama to do? They clowned him for being a community organizer, and now they want him to go to Iran and be a guidance counselor/Boy Scout Leader/referee?

But then again...

maybe Obama IS the Messiah sent from above by God to crush Islam.

That would probably explain why the War Supplemental Bill for $100 billion for Afghanistan is being forced down the throats of House Democrats.

I'ono folks, I think wearing green for Iran is cool. But um, people in this country should be just as moved or even more so by the video of the police shooting and killing Oscar Grant than they are this Neda woman.

But like you said Field: if they had it their way she would probably be daed already if they went ahed and...

BOMB BOMB BOMB, BOMB BOMB IRAN!

How soon do we forget these freedom songs.

C-dell said...

there are some people in this country rather the world who will support anyone and demonize anyone as long as they get there agenda pushed they could care less

Anonymous said...

Freedom on the march, as McCain and Lindsay are getting on the next flight to Iran and lead the charge for freedom. Oh, I hope they are able to drag Cheney with them.

Anonymous said...

Black Diaspora said...

"Civil unrest does not a revolution make."

yep I agree civil unrest doesnt make a revolution..and sometimes nothing comes of it. But there are many iranian activisits, both inside and outside of iran, calling for an end to the regime. And these sort of people are what revolutions are made of.


the protests were a reaction to the election..but I think the election results just sparked something thats been waiting to happen for a long time. At the beginning of the protests it was safer for people to call for a re-election than it was to call for an end to the regime itself. But now protesters have been reported shouting "death to khomenei" and even "down with the islamic republic." Some people interviewed said they knew the elections were a farce anyway, but they went into the streets in support of mousavi as a way of opposing Ahmadinejad and the Islamic establishment. Parties such as the Workers –communist party of Iran have also been active during the protests, handing out leaflets and setting out a list of demands that should be met including the instalment of a secularist democracy and the public persecution of all the senior figures in the regime. Voices like this may right now be in the minority, but they are being heard.

I’ve been addicted to the blog Revolutionary Road,http://shooresh1917.blogspot.com/
Incredible updates about what has been going on, but obviously biased from a student/activists point of view.

Field..
I don’t think this is a revolution yet, and I don’t know if it will be one, but I think that labeling the protests as being just about the election isn’t doing theM enough justice. I know all of us outside of Iran can never really know what is going on right now, the best we can do is speculate..But the feeling that I get is that many ordinary Iranians have been unhappy with the system for a long time and have been calling for change. anyway great topic and insight as usual!

Gregory said...

Field,
If you can rehab sickfreak then you are a better man than me. Like I said, I admire the effort and wish you the best of luck.

I see a Nobel Peace Prize in your future if you can manage to dislodge sf's head from his rectum.

A Person of Interest said...

field said at 8:45 PM:

"Really? Kind of like the frat boy played 18 every other day while thousands of Iraqis died? Okay, I get it now. *shaking head*

field, perhaps you should read this article:http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=49931

Yo might want to re-think that comment. Or, not.





http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=49931

~~Silk said...

FYI - I have linked to this post, at http://thesilkentouch.blogspot.com/2009/06/2454-doing-something-about-iran.html, and quoted a portion of a paragraph.

Thank you for writing what I was thinking.

Los Angelista said...

So glad you wrote this. It's so disappointing to see that some folks are so partisan that they can't get off their "Take-Down-The-Black-President" agenda no matter what happens in the world. These people have no shame.

grinder said...

There's a bigger neocon game at work here. Remember, these are the people who wanted to join the far right-wing government of Israel in an attack on Iran. They were thwarted in that ambition, but they will never quit.

It serves their interests to have Ahmadinejad in power. In fact, they were openly rooting for mAhmadinejad before the election. They wanted Iran to have the worst possible face, because it would help them agitate against any diplomacy.

Now that the Iranian government has cracked down, the neocons are having a field day. This is their wet dream come true. They will argue that any diplomacy is impossible, ignoring the fact that the U.S. had done deals with governments far nastier than Iran's regime.

Mack Lyons said...

The GOP idiots are still looking for the "cowboy diplomacy" they had when Bush, a.k.a "Frat Boy" was still president.

Obama will brook no such thing, so the idiots attack him for his "weak stance" while ignoring the finer subtleties of the situation. It works both ways for them. If Obama did go Cowboy on Iran, the GOP would criticize that too, while savoring the fallout that would come out of it.

"There's a bigger neocon game at work here. Remember, these are the people who wanted to join the far right-wing government of Israel in an attack on Iran. They were thwarted in that ambition, but they will never quit."

Considering the vast number of death threats levied on Israel from time to time, they do have cause to be paranoid, kinda like Sick Freak living smack-dab in Mexican Mafia turf.

honeyindigo said...

heyy field!!!

i've been away...no computer :( and yanno i'm only into this political stuff as much as i can throw a grown man because this type of thing eludes me...but i just wanted to say hi lol...and that i am reading and trying to learn the latest!

field negro said...

Sup honeyindigo, nice to have you back! Just read these comments, they will keep you up to speed.

"there are some people in this country rather the world who will support anyone and demonize anyone as long as they get there agenda pushed they could care less"

Amen c-dell.

Silk, thanks for the link love.

Anonymous said...

Since when did the GOP care about people of color? that's the question, they assault the OBAMA'S on a daily basis! and now they want us to believe that they care about the IRANIAN people! please, this is all strategy, the PRESIDENT has a TRUMP CARD, and that's his MOUTH, and if he can say the right word's in the mist of this revolt, then he can make it seem as if he is a innocent bystander!

The GOP are trying to make the PRESIDENT look weak before the AMERICAN people, they are using their TRUMP CARD'S, their goal is to get the PRESIDENT to DENOUNCE the SUPREME LEADER of IRAN! and if he doe's that, their is no way the LEADER'S of IRAN will ever have talk's with AMERICA, the GOP are shrewd, this is their specialty, they want it to be conflict with IRAN, the GOP love what's going on in IRAN, remember these are people of color, the GOP hate minority's in their own country, so how in the world can we believe they care about people in a foreign land! the GOP are people of WAR! they like KILLING! and beside's, isn't IRAN A MUSLIM COUNTRY, this is all STRATEGY! and I pray that, the PRESIDENT continue to choose his word's wisely, in my opinion I think it's time for the IRANIAN people to regroup, I am tired of people dying!

kid said...

Anonymous sick freak said...

Oh the hypocrisy of you on the left.

If Bush would have done this the headline would be--

BUSH GETS SOME ICE CREAM HAS IRAN BURNS!!!

BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT IRANIANS!!


" The fact that the Mullahs have come out for Ahmadinejad kind of gives you an idea of where their heads are."

These are the same folks Obama wants to grill some hotdogs with on the 4th.

________________________

You're a joke.EVERY and I do mean EVERY reich wing talk show host said the exact same thing.

What do you want him to do BOMB THEM ?

Go to Daily Kos if you want the truth. They were posting the Rebellion BEFORE the so -called MSM and Republicans talking heads said a word.They said for the West not to say anything. It would look like that Washington planned it.

SOME white people would want the world to blow up before they let a black man be President.

Whitney B. said...

Amen. The Repubbas have NO shame anymore. They are just shooting arrows in all directions, hoping to make a hit. It's getting disgusting in this country. I think it's worse than when King George was president.

I believe that John McCain is behind a lot of this. Sore loser syndrome.

Argh!!!

west coast story said...

I am shocked at the glib notion that iranians are "only" protesting a bogus election and little else. It's a hell of a lot more than Americans did in 2000.

The history of Iran provides some important context here. Protesting in Iran is no small thing. People are risking their lives and some have paid the ultimate price already.

These people who are only protesting an election are not only doing something Americans couldn't be bothered to do, they are doing it in a country where there is no First Amendment and public protest can end in imprisonment or death.

With Americans, it's always about you, isn't it? Who cares how they feel about the US?

Anonymous said...

WCS-"I am shocked at the glib notion that iranians are "only" protesting a bogus election and little else. It's a hell of a lot more than Americans did in 2000."

Amen.

"These people who are only protesting an election are not only doing something Americans couldn't be bothered to do, they are doing it in a country where there is no First Amendment and public protest can end in imprisonment or death."

WCS, you are on target. The Iranians are being more American than Americans would ever do today.

"With Americans, it's always about you, isn't it? Who cares how they feel about the US?"

What do you expect? We are society that emphasizes individualism and nothing else. Not only do we NOT care about what Iranians think about us, we don't care about each other(Americans). That's why there is a shortage of help for our own people in the Black community. Anyone outside the individual American self is irrelevant.

west coast story said...

And as I look at the photo of the woman who bled to death at the top of FN's post, the idea of "only protesting an election" just raises my bile. What an atrocious statement to make.

I heard on CNN beforel leaving home that the police/military have gone after the protesters in a very heavy handed way. Only protesting an election indeed.

Grata said...

For Britain's comments, they are now being called Little Satan. If the US says more than enough there are great consequences, the Republicans are just performing a smear campaign or they hope Obama becomes reactionary by their pushing and screws up big time on this one.
If there is a backclash in Iran from Obama's stand, that is political Gold.

Anonymous said...

That's just it. These hawks want Obama to chirp so they can get pissed and we can be justified to start a dustup.

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Black Diaspora said...

west coast story said...
"I am shocked at the glib notion that Iranians are "only" protesting a bogus election and little else. It's a hell of a lot more than Americans did in 2000."

Projection can put you squarely in a world of your own making.

Nothing of what you're inferring was ever implied.

The question was this: Are some of the Iranians (not all are) protesting a stolen election, or are we seeing a revolution?

I'm afraid that you read all that other stuff into my remarks, and proceeded to become righteously indignant.

That you saw it as "glib" is on you as well. It was not meant to be "glib," or flippant.

It was just an observation, and "little else."

That you're angry about what you're seeing on Iranian streets, is understandable.

Your anger here, however, appears to be a little misplaced.

Keep it focused where it counts....

Anonymous said...

aygoof! bubba was never impeached...though there were proceedings against him. please stop rolling-on-the-DL and get it straight!

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