I know you all see all the shit that's going on over in Belgium. Now, thanks to the language and cultural differences between two regions, there is serious talk of splitting the country in two. I am sure the folks in places like Canada and Nigeria can relate. (Remember Biafra?)
So anyway, I was thinking; after listening to the comments from black folks about the "Black In America" series, and the frustration that most of us obviously feel about being black in America, that it's time to really just designate a bunch of states to black folks and just ship us off so that we can form our own union.
Just think, no more blaming whitey for shit. No more having to hear whitey tell us about all the shit that they gave us. (Of course they would have to give us a little sum em sum em to start us off with. I say find a way to give us 13% of the GDP since we make up 13% of the population and send us on our way.) No more fucked up credit. (We could start our own credit rating system) We could finally whup our kids in peace without whitey threatening to take them away. And we could make some serious doggy steaks for ourselves when we get sick of our pets. And don't worry about the taste, I bet we would learn to like that shit. The Koreans eat it, and they look just fine to me. Field that's a racist statement. Why? It's true. I eat the hell out of some curry goat, and so do most Jamaicans I know. And guess what? Some people might think that's worse than eating dogs. (But I digress)
Now, of course, there would some logistical issues to work out: like where would we put the United States Of Black America and where would our capital be? (I will give you a hint: it wouldn't be Detroit or Cleveland.) Obviously the East Coast or the South would be the logical choice, because so many of us already live here. But then, all your Ivy League schools are on the East Coast, and I am sure white folks wouldn't want them to go to waste. Then there is Wall Street,The Liberty Bell, The Statute Of Liberty, The U.S. Mint....forget it, we ain't getting the East Coast. The South? That wouldn't be a bad choice for us. We already eat the food, and white folks don't have any serious land marks in the South. It would be their way of coming full circle. Hey you folks in the South wanted to secede, well, here is your chance. But now that I think about it, they wouldn't give us that either. White folks love the warm weather and the beaches,and they like to take their families to Disney World. I think we would waste that too. We don't have too many families.
Looks like we have to head West. Of course we can't go too far, because places like California, Arizona, and Utah are out of the question. Field, why Utah? Skiing. White folks love their skiing. I figure four fair sized states ought to do it. I am thinking they would want to send us somewhere in the heartland, since there isn't shit there. Places like North and South Dakota. (Hmmmm, the "Black Hills"), and maybe throw in states like Kansas and Nebraska to the mix. Yeah those states are right in the middle of the country, so whitey can keep an eye on us, and they can fly over us when they have to get from one part of white A-merry-ca to the other, without touching down. Kind of like the frat boy did after Katrina.
"But field what about the interracial couples? What about the house Negroes who wouldnever leave white A-merry-ca?" Hmmm, that's a good point, I never thought of that. I see my plan still has some kinks in it . Although I was thinking, just like they do in Israel, a black could petition the black government of the USOBA to allow their white or non black wife to live in the USOBA. And I suppose the house Negroes could stay. Lord knows that they would only stir up trouble in our new homeland. And we don't need that.
I think we can do this. And all you sports fans, stop worrying, you will still be able to watch your favorite black athlete. We will allow them to leave the USOBA to compete for their teams. As long as they bring their black asses home after the season, and unlike their athletic brothers now, they leave those white women alone. We don't need them pissing off Uncle Sam. We wouldn't' want to end up like the folks in Iraq. You see how Uncle Sam fucked them up, and look how far away they are.
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Field, you can do whatever you want, as long as I can keep reading your blog! :)
You rock, pardner.
LOL. Your funny! Just make sure the criminal justice system is on point...PUBLIC ASSWHIPPINS FOR ALL CRIMINALS!! You know the thugs is gonna wanna show up and ruin shit...
Field,
I'm going to northern Georgia and live with the Squidbillies!
Africa is always an option. land amd resorces have already been allocated. better yet, who will be the founding fathers of the constitution or will it be as lawless as Philly?
Africa is always an option. land amd resorces have already been allocated. better yet, who will be the founding fathers of the constitution or will it be as lawless as Philly?
Holy shit, you're on fire Field. Great post.
Question: Will I need a visa to visit?
Recommendation: Ban tasers in the USOBA. I'm tired of hearing that word and the term "excessive force" in the same sentence whenever I read the enws.
Field:
You know the same thought occurred to me a few weeks back while I was watching the news. You must be reading Granny's mind. Only I had St. Lucia(one of my granny's homeland) in mind and was thinking that might be the place where I'd like to live.
Anyway, if every black person in America just packed up and left this country and let them have it, who would be their next scapegoat? Would it be the Hispanics, or Asians, or maybe the Indians, etc. One thing is for sure, it would be some other race, because white folks just got to feel like they're the superior race and running things. It's an unsatiable ego trip.
Yeah, we could let our white family members tag along, and maybe, some of our white friends. Nope, us being in the middle of the states is out of the question though, we don't need no babysitter. Instead we could split the USA straight down the middle in half, west coast, east coast. They can't have it all, some of those activities you named, black folks like to do too and it's time white folks learn to share something.
By the way, why didn't "Black In America" focus on some of the positive things and positive black people we have in our race, instead of the problems that we already know exist since they wash our faces with it daily. After all, there are positive black people doing positive things that do exist.
My son has been a positive role models since the day he was born and has accomplished many positive things in his lifetime, and at and early age. He has friends like him who are positive and have done and are doing positive things. Well, I guess that would destroy the myth that black men ain't dung though, so we can't have them showing him and his friends or others like them now can we.
Oh, and I know many young women who don't sleep with every Tom, Dick, and Harry and don't have a bunch of kids, who have jobs and work hard. Some are happily married with kids. They are successful black women though, so I guess they wouldn't qualify as being the type of black woman that America wants to project to the world.
Dang, on second thought, maybe, all of the positive black people should pack up and leave America so that they can hang on to their stereotypes and keep their scapegoats. Frankly speaking, I think that would work out just fine, because the ones that fit their negative description of black people could care less what America thinks.
Granny needs make some tree bark tea, old arthritis is giving Granny's knee and hip the blues.
This had me on the floor. Priceless. I agree with you no way we'd get the East Coast.
And Granny your follow sentence cracked me up:
Dang, on second thought, maybe, all of the positive black people should pack up and leave America so that they can hang on to their stereotypes and keep their scapegoats. Frankly speaking, I think that would work out just fine, because the ones that fit their negative description of black people could care less what America thinks.
nyc/Caribbean ragazza:
Read what I wrote on the Black In America post. You'll get a real good laugh off of that one.
Cool, I'm in the France thingy. Maybe I can lose my fear of making roux and baking.
Jim and I live in New Your state, right in the heart of the Republic of Afro-Americans.
We get to stay on here, right?
Just don't go getting all Robert Mugabe on us and taking our house and land and leave my dog the fuck alone.
Damn.... I guess I would have to go back to Occupied Mexico..... if theyll have me. Mi espanol es asi asi, pero estera mas mejor muy rapido!
The last place on earth I would wanna live is "white bread america!" Ive been to places where its nothing but white faces and boy was it boring...
Maybe I could be an immigration bride....that is if gays can get married in USBO.
Hey Field Negro!
I am not a supporter of Louis Farrakhan but there is a video tape of him on video.google.com on the Phil Donohue Show saying JUST what you have mentioned... the notion of blacks just having our OWN part of the country...
White folks have achieved a few 95% white states as you have mentioned...
Former Harvard prof, Derrick Bell wrote a short story, "Space Traders", in a book published in 1997 called GOSPEL CHOIRS: PSALMS OF SURVIVAL IN AN ALIEN LAND. "Space Traders" was a story about all of blacks leaving this planet to move to another planet.
In his "fictional account", blacks were expelled by whites who no longer wanted to deal with blacks. The blacks were given a deadline to leave. So the blacks DID LEAVE... all of them.
They started life over on their new planet. Well, after the blacks were gone and making a life for themselves, the whites decided they wanted the blacks to COME BACK because they didn't feel superior anymore with the blacks gone, and they missed having a group to oppress, and they had all of the same societal problems that they had blamed on the blacks, and they wound up having to pay more for labor with all of the blacks gone who were being paid less for those jobs, so the whites decided they wanted the blacks back. They told the blacks they didn't realize the benefits outweighed the burden of dealing with blacks. They told the blacks they wanted them to come BACK so that everything could be JUST LIKE IT WAS. Well, in the story, the blacks hold a conference to decide whether or not to come back. The conference was deep because some blacks voted to go back to their oppressors while other blacks voted to stay.
I won't tell the ending but it's a good read.
The story is meant to be "fiction" but if you haven't read it... please do.
Peace, blessings and DUNAMIS!
Lisa
I blogged about this a few months back...
One of the biggest barriers to us, as Black men and women, coming together permanently is the fact that we have no country to call our own. We have no economy that we can solely take responsibility for, and thereby gain collective wealth from.
We have no sovereignity, meaning we cannot stand up an armed force in defense of our people. We havent our own legal system or police force, that removes the wall of protection from those who would seek to do us harm based solely on the color of our skin, or the fact that we are inherently different from other races-a difference that they would classify as threatening, or to protect us from the more violent members of our race.
I was never a fan of the idea of Reparations in the form of a check or an apology from the United States. But........True justice would be if we as a people were given back a part of the country that we helped build, a part of the land that we tilled.
Florida, Georgia, and Alabama would be all the reparations we would need-socially, economically, and politically divided from the rest of the mainland. A place were we African Americans could call our own (hell, anybody who has been to Atlanta would think this had already happened!). THAT would be reparations!
Tell me what all of you think!
Hey Field your late :) There is a book by Spider Robinson(noted Sci-Fi author) called Night of Power that deals with the issue of a black homeland(gosh I hate that word) right here in Amurika. It's a pretty interesting book. Peace and though you're late on this one you sir are always right on time. nate
I'd vote for economic, social and cultural nationalism if I did not think they were fundamentally idolatrous.
Thanks for giving Texas back to Mexico
Damn, I didn't make it in before 'go back to Africa'
So would the USOBA*ma* be called the brotherland? What about the armed forces? We have to be ready to defend ourselves against the USOWA.
Aw hell Field, you're opening up a line of satire that could be so much fun to run with, but then, somebody would surely end up getting offended, hillbillies, fieldnegros and other ethnic groups might end up tarnishing their good names, so I'm just gonna leave it lay here for another time and another place.
Funny stuff though. Reminds me of a map I saw after the '00 election that had "JesusLand" and the rest of Amurkkka across the top united with Canada.
[quote]Just think, no more blaming whitey for shit.[/quote]
Negro - Please!!!
This is an essential element in the DNA of the "Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist RACISM CHASERS".
If they were deeded the Northeast segment of the United States the subset of you all who are inclined to COMPLAIN would simply say "After years of keeping us out of the upper offices....Whitey left us all alone with these big sky scrapers in the downtown areas and NOW we have to figure out on our own how to develop the business enterprise necessary to fill them up with productive people. Damn them!"
I always thought that the black separatists wanted to be in the southern states? Do you think the hillbillies
would be willing to give up their beloved south as long as they didn't have to be around blacks anymore?
This is all very entertaining. However what about discussing something that is reasonable and do-able. Ending desegregation.
Have places that are designated "black areas" "white areas" "hispanic areas" and "asian areas. We can also have designated "diverse areas". Oh sure I know we have a little of that already. Chocolate cities already exist. Chinatowns, barrios, etc... That is indicative that to segregate with people like yourself is a normal and not evil human condition. White people are always picking up and moving when blacks start to move in (doubt it has anything to do with crime, murders, garbage, properrty values, decline in schools) yup, probably simple racism.
Let blacks have a city and whites have a city. Let people live where they want and associate with who they want and let the chips fall where they may.
ANY TAKERS?
GA=RON-TEE the black city will turn into Monrovia within 5 yrs. WAIT, already has happened. Deetriot anyone? Awleans perhaps? Gary, Memphrica, Overtown, Bed-sty?
HOW BOUT AFRICA??? Nice place blacks have created there huh? Haiti? great schools I hear.
OH NO , blacks need whitey to nurse from and blame.
Woozie, you wouldnt have to worry about ANY whites wanting anything to do with USOBA. Im a white guy that has lived in two different cities that were clean and crime free when they were all white and are now crime ridden, garbage strewn hellholes and mostly black. Not hatin at all, simple facts. Beautiful buildings destroyed. Clean streets now full of trash. Graffiti, weed filled lawns, broken down hoopties(all circa 1980 cadis and Olds surprisingly) in front. Constant police sirens...well, you know the picture.
Nope, "Whitey" will be glad to stay far away from USOBA. IF that was ever a serious question put to white America, I believe most of us would jump on that in a New York minute.
"Just don't go getting all Robert Mugabe on us and taking our house and land and leave my dog the fuck alone"
Ok, I promise...ahh by the way what kind of pet do you have?
"I always thought that the black separatists wanted to be in the southern states? Do you think the hillbillies
would be willing to give up their beloved south as long as they didn't have to be around blacks anymore?"
Good question. But I m guessing they would move to Alaska if it would mean that they could get away from black folks.
"So would the USOBA*ma* be called the brotherland? What about the armed forces? We have to be ready to defend ourselves against the USOWA."
That, sir, is sexist. "Brotherland"? What about the sisters? I think we would have a naming contest. As for an army; I don't know. Right now we are at the mercy of whitey. I just hope that they leave us alone.
And yes r.j. tasers would be banned.
maybe another way to break it up would be by values, not race....
Conservative, right-wing homophobes in one area... can make women subservient, ban abortion, carry guns, insist they are a christian nation,no social services, lots of prisons instead for anyone who doesnt tow the line and torture would be just fine!
Liberatarians in one area... no governmental services, only private education, no social services and joint funds ONLY for a military to protect the borders.
Democratic Socialists in another. MANDATORY proportional representation of different constituencies.... noone can serve in government for more than 10 years. High tax rate, taxes used to pay for national health care, education for all, including higher education, mass transportation, alternative energy. Mandate that CEOs cannot make more than 75 times the lowest paid worker. Jobs that are the hardest to perform are well compensated (think farm workers and sanitation workers and infrastructure construction workers) Commons cannot be privately owned (access to public spaces stay public) 30 hour work week, month of vacation... Value and support the arts and artists. Make access to the arts affordable for all. Strict separation between church and state... secular government. Mandatory public service for all 18 year olds. Criminal system based on Restorative Justice Model. Trade with other nations based on Fair Trade model. And finally a military with EXPLICIT role that is only to defend borders, not economic interests.
To Anon 11:59 and 11:44. You're utterly sickening. It's folk like you who make this dream all the more real. It is just me or do racist whites like the above "anons" seriously have an obession with black people.
Jody said:
maybe another way to break it up would be by values, not race....
Conservative, right-wing homophobes in one area... can make women subservient, ban abortion, carry guns, insist they are a christian nation,no social services, lots of prisons instead for anyone who doesnt tow the line and torture would be just fine!
Liberatarians in one area... no governmental services, only private education, no social services and joint funds ONLY for a military to protect the borders.
Democratic Socialists in another. MANDATORY proportional representation of different constituencies.... noone can serve in government for more than 10 years. High tax rate, taxes used to pay for national health care, education for all, including higher education, mass transportation, alternative energy. Mandate that CEOs cannot make more than 75 times the lowest paid worker. Jobs that are the hardest to perform are well compensated (think farm workers and sanitation workers and infrastructure construction workers) Commons cannot be privately owned (access to public spaces stay public) 30 hour work week, month of vacation... Value and support the arts and artists. Make access to the arts affordable for all. Strict separation between church and state... secular government. Mandatory public service for all 18 year olds. Criminal system based on Restorative Justice Model. Trade with other nations based on Fair Trade model. And finally a military with EXPLICIT role that is only to defend borders, not economic interests.
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Excellent Idea
On the other hand Woozie, you would have some whites making forays into deepest darkest USOBA. They would idealistic young college students and silly self hating whites loading their SUV s with supplies to help and feed the kids and people that would no doubt be starving and disease-ridden and homeless after self rule by people like Kwame Kilpatrick, Cynthia McKinney and the "black hole" idiot in Texas. Transplant the urban school boards in places like Baltimore, Memphis and Detroit and the high standards will no doubt follow. Close the science depts, math depts, physics, biology, chemistry and business colleges in your new institutions. Afro-centrism, sociology and race will be the only courses offered with over a million "professors" ready to perform. Sure, the people wont be able to balance a checkbook or find Bosnia on a map but we'll all be able to contextualize the "N" word.
BTW, you think Rev. Inc will come to the brave new land? Doubt it, they might have to actually work.
Who we gonna get to fix our computers?
I aint gonna go to no doctor from Norfolk State.
You gonna give your money to a banker brotha in a shiny suit? Not me.
KAT; why is it OK for blacks to express the same sentiment against whites yet whites must be held to a different standard. You dislike whites, is it REALLY that hurtful that they return the sentiment?
anon 12:40.... You are the best argument for implementing this idea. You and your buddies can stick to your little world, with your ignorant ideas and hate all to your little hearts content. Just keep it in your little world!
Me, I will continue to be one of those "silly self hating whites" who would MUCH rather hang with KAT or Woozie or Field anyday than have to breathe the same air as you.
Anon 12:40 said:
KAT; why is it OK for blacks to express the same sentiment against whites yet whites must be held to a different standard. You dislike whites, is it REALLY that hurtful that they return the sentiment?
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Who the heck said I dislike whites?...Wow...prejudical and delusional!!! Why don't you do yourself a favor and stop stalking good folks here. Stormfront has a place for you.
Field:
Again, very funny satire. I have question. What about Hawaii and the U.S. Territories like the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and Guam and 13 others? There are mostly Island, but it's always nice to have sunny places to live.
Although, I do not which was funnier, your post or Constructive's response. It's a good thing to lighten up sometimes.
Well Jodie, bon appetite. If you look at the blog and the comments that followed you will quickly realize that it wasnt I nor was it a white person that floated this idea. Yet somehow I am a bad person for agreeing with the people here. Curious, not surprising, but curious.
Im not a hand wringing liberal who needs color around me to feel authentic. Just as most here are proud to be a member of their particular race, I am also. Oh I know a white person cant be proud without being hate-filled. A white person needs to cower in front of black nationalism to be accepted by the "diversicrats". Field speaks his mind as do many here. Thats cool, I know what Im dealing with I know where the racists are. The awful fact is that I truly dont care what black nationalists and their white lapdogs think. You feel blacks would be better off with a state of their own? Have at it. You wont see me clinging on to the legs of blacks crying for them to stay.
I dont think diversity is our strength, I think it is our weakness. Each group has their own agenda and forcing them together creates friction and hate. Weve tried to work together for a long time and I dont think its gonna work anytime soon. Diversity has dumbed down our schools, our colleges and made our industry weaker. Our neighborhoods less safe and our culture more dependant. Whites want high standards, those who dont meet them are left by the wayside. Blacks, at least most on this blog feel standards should be lower for the "less fortunate". (See discussion about Affirmative Action) Perhaps in an all-black state there will be no standards and people will be given what they want regardless. Fair enough, enjoy.
Many here truly feel that the "white yolk of oppression" still hangs heavy. Since the "back to Africa" garbage is just silly, a seperate state or at the very least self-segregation might just help to lighten the load. Who knows,it just might drop a few bricks from the white mans' burden also.
As always..le bob ton roulet
-WHITEY, MR WHITEY-
And yes r.j. tasers would be banned, because the soul mates would want to use real bullets like they do in Killadelphia.
If someone wants to go live in a country where there are amazingly few people of color, may I suggest Russia or Germany? I have visited them very briefly and I could not believe how light they are. (In 3 weeks in Russia I saw 10 African poc and of those 6 were tourists, very few Asians and essentially no Hispanics.) These places have their problems, but Germany especially seems to have the well developed infrasructure good economy etc. The experience was just spooky.
Demitrius Rex said...
"One of the biggest barriers to us, as Black men and women, coming together permanently is the fact that we have no country to call our own. We have no economy that we can solely take responsibility for, and thereby gain collective wealth from." What are all of those countries in Africa? What about Haiti? These are mostly black countries. Haiti isn't a fair comparison, because it is a Caribbean Island and location and geography are going to make them helaciously poor pretty much no matter what anyone does.
It has been pointed out ad nauseum that people like to have someone to feel superior to. Don't need any people of color to play that game...it is played continually and visciously among us whitey's without access to poc. It seems that poc play it amound themselves. It just makes us human--people and it would be better to focus on our samenesses not our differences.
And Barack could be president of both! That's awesome.
I'm not eat no dog though, not even if you jerk it.
LOL... this was funny. I'm with Kellybelle though you can keep that dog meat, I don't even like dogs and still wouldn't want to eat em.
"Do you think the hillbillies
would be willing to give up their beloved south as long as they didn't have to be around blacks anymore?"
Good question. But I m guessing they would move to Alaska if it would mean that they could get away from black folks. "
Well, I was going to ridicule the "anons" and crackers who have posted their paranoia, but you went and insulted us hillbillies just as they did you. You'd think with me here in the fields. . . oh well.
And I was getting ready to offer up Appalachia as a multiracial enclave.
Don't worry Sagacioushillbilly, I'm a fellow cracker who holds no hate for you. I was born near Appalachia and
so no sorry if you were insulted.
Field, Good concept, one I think we very much need. But in all fairness, no country should be landlock.
You'll need to redraw your borders, so that each country have access to waterways for international travel and trade.
We would have to enter into no-aggression pact with the white man, and also force them to reduce their WMDs, other they would do preemptive strikes and steal everybodys shite.
don't give the NW to the fundies....
it is the prettiest part of the country
And yes r.j. tasers would be banned.
And make cable free!!
I'm tired of these fuckers at Time Warner charging me an arm and a leg and there's nothing to watch on Saturday night.
And have a couple of cities for mixed couples so we don't get shot at.
Our pet is a female Lab. Fixed and a sweetheart.
"I'm not eat no dog though, not even if you jerk it."
Hmmm, jerk dogs. Kelleybelle, I think we may be on to something.
sgacious..., it's all goog between us:) And you damn good and well you would not give us any part of Appalachia. Too beautiful. All those pretty mountains. Naw you country boyz want them for yourselves.
Yes ladycracker, I have been to some of those countries. And It's a lonely feeling when you are there.
Who wants to bet that "WHITEY, MR. WHITEY" is constructive feedback?
"And have a couple of cities for mixed couples so we don't get shot at."
You got it.
"And make cable free!!"
Duh! It's a black country, remember? Of course cable will be free.
Hmmmm, a female lab. I actually like labs. We might exempt certain types of dogs, so you might luck out. I am glad you didn't say poodle, because they will be the main ones on my menu in the jerk dog restaurant.
All this talk reminds me of my pre-teen nephews when they dont get what they want. They scream and cry and tell their parents they hate them, their home is hell and they are going to leave and never come back. My brother grabs a couple of suitcases and tells them to start packing. Well, my nephews pipe down pretty quickly and straighten up for a while.
For heavens sake, youre killing each other at levels never seen before in the history of mankind. Your men are abandoning their kids, disrespecting their women and laying waste to their neighborhoods like it was Somalia or Liberia. Little or no emphasis on education. Little or no emphasis on responsibility. No fathers. No sucessful role models and resistance to any form of action to stop the madness.
And you think things will suddenly get better when no white po-po is around? You think things will get better with no welfare, section 8, fortune 500 taxes, affirmative action positions or non-black tax base to keep you?
PUHLLEEEZE!
You think a utopia will sprout under the guidance of people like Kwame Kilpatrick, King Coleman, Al Sharpton, etc...etc...? You think an economy built on rims, tennis shoes and hip-hop will support 25 million people? You think you can do any better with african-american disfunction? You are more that welcome to try. Im sure whites would readily give up the burden of that task.
As far as the guess of my ID Field...sorry, try again. But the compliment is appreciated.
Ok Mr. Whitey.... by your ignorant ass assumptions... that blacks dumb down everything... here's what you would not have had access to if it weren't for a black person inventing it. Remember, you said blacks have dumbed it down, so by your logic, no more of any of this for you, and oh this is just a partial list:
What would the world be like without African-American inventions?. compiled by Kathie Taylor Dejoie
Well, for starters, you can forget your penthouse view, because without Alexander Mils' elevator, buildings wouldn't be very tall. The roads would be less crowded because Richard Spikes invented the automatic gearshift, Joseph Gambol invented the super charge system for internal combustion engines. Talk about traffic jams! Imagine the number of accidents without Garrett A. Morgan's traffic signal.
Forget a Sunday ride on the Canal Street Car Line or the world-famous San Francisco cable cars – remember, the electric trolley was the creation of Albert R. Robinson. And imagine how long it would take to clean up after Mardi Gras without Charles Brooks' street sweeper!
Writing would be a challenge without John Love's pencil sharpener, William Purvey's fountain pen, and Lee Barrage's typewriter. How would we print our magazine without W. A. Love's advanced printing press? Even if Americans could write letters, articles and books, they would have to hand-deliver them because William Barry invented the postmarking and canceling machine, William Purveys invented the hand stamp, and Philip Downing invented the letter drop.
But, you couldn't read after dark anyway, because your home would be really dim without Lewis Lattimer's electric lamp, Michael Harvey's lantern. Once on, how would you turn your lamp off without Granville T. Woods' automatic on/off switch? The advantage to the darkness is that you wouldn't be able to see the dirty floors. You see, Thomas W. Steward invented the mop and Lloyd P. Ray invented the dust pan.
Forget the beautifully manicured golf course greens. They'd be brown, overgrown and wilted without Joseph Smith's sprinkler system and John Burr's lawn mower.
Summers in New Orleans would be unbearable without Fredrick Jones' air conditioner, and who could survive winter in Boston without Alice Parker's heating furnace?
Finally, forget all our famous southern dishes. They'd all spoil without the refrigerator, which was invented by John Standard.
Im sure all of you in white bread world wouldnt want to taint it with these inventions... dont forget Eli Whitney and the Cotton Gin, so there goes your clothes, too!
Ridiculous, right? Well, no more ridiculous that your outrageous assumptions!
Gee Jody, thanks for the history lesson, short though it was. You forgot the peanut butter guy though. Nothing says "civilization? more than a gooey creamy spread. However I prefer chunky.
BTW; creating a patent isnt "inventing". theres a difference, however that isnt taught in sociology depts so Ill give you a pass there.
Im not sure what level you are in reading comprension, but I said integration has dumbed down previously all white schools. NOT "blacks dumb down everything". Case in point; YOU. You have seriously dumbed down this discussion. I doubt a long Google search is necessary to contrast previously all white schools 10 yrs ago to 50/50 mix today. Or even all-white suburban schools with inner city all black schools. Dont embarass yourself there sweets.
Why do you bring up blacks who are long since passed to somehow apply to a school system that was broken in the last 20 years? The peanut butter dude and the street sweeper dude would roll in their collective graves if they saw how the last few generations of blacks have squandered and dumbed down, YES DUMBED DOWN, current scholastica. Do yourself a favor, pick an all-black middle or high school in any city cross our fair land, spend a few hours in a few classes. Roam the halls, talk to the teachers and tell me if the school is "dumbed down". Accepting students with inferior grades and qualifications is indeed "dumbing down". Changing tests so more can pass is indeed "dumbing down" A school that has 50% dropout rate and less than 5% college eligible is a school that has been "dumbed down" A race of people who equates being academically successful with being a "sellout" is a race that has been "dumbed down".
I find it laughable that discussion after discussion on this board and others about how young blacks are falling WAY behind other races. Lamenting the "acting white" label on smart kids. About parents not caring about their kids' school. Discussions about how schools have failed our kids abound here. Discussions about how black parents have failed their kids, about how the kids have failed themselves. Read back discussions my dear, there is some eloquence there. YET, when a white says the same thing, it is somehow racist and its a "ridiculous assumption". You are a kneejerk idiot Jody. If I IDd myself as a black educator in an inner city school you would have reacted a completely different way. You might have even agreed with me. Yet progresseve white girl Jody comes to the rescue of the po ignant negroes. Thanks Miss Daisy.
Many blacks point the finger at whites as the cause of this mess. An idea, albeit a tongue in cheek one, was proposed and I said "Have at it" If blacks think they can solve the problem, DO IT. We whites sure as hell cant. Explain the ridiculousness of that.
I dont think most here are afraid of the truth, they just dont like it in the mouth of a white man.
They call me WHITEY, MR WHITEY.
Damn, that's some funny shit! for once you start without a negative story but some of the commentors have taken it too seriously why even go to a black site you look silly with by your comments not the article. Any way I digress they once designated oklahoma as the black state during the Trail of Tears but even then they didn't give us shit and just moved all the east coast and southern native americans west.
I'm gald you started with a laugh!
Alexander Miles invented an improved elevator.
I stopped at the first wrong fact.
"Alexander Miles, designed an elevator that was able to open and close its own doors and the elevator shaft doors. When the elevator would arrive or depart from a given floor, the doors would move automatically. Previously, the opening and closing of the doors of both the shaft and the elevator had to be completed manually by either the elevator operator or by passengers, contributing greatly to the hazards of operating an elevator."
Patent 371,207
Jody:
Here are some folks you forgot to mention. Granny is helping you out because I figured you had forgot about them, and these BLACK folks are still living and current. I appreciate the fact that you did try to acknowledge black folks accomplishments, unlike that azzhole Anonymous with his arrogant, racist self, everyone should already know which Anonymous I'm speaking of, because you can smell his arrogance miles away.
Dr Patricia E. Bath - invented a method of eye surgery that has helped many blind people to see.Bath is best known for her invention of the Laserphaco Probe for the treatment of cataracts.
Donald Cotton - Propellants and Nuclear Reactors- Energy from Research in Chemistry.
Lonnie G. Johnson - invented the supersoaker.
Otis Boykins - invented the electronic control devices for guided missiles, IBM computers, and the pacemaker.
Mark Dean- He led the team of IBM scientists that developed the ISA bus—a device that enabled computer components to communicate with each other rapidly, which made personal computers fast and efficient for the first time. Dean also led the design team responsible for creating the first one-gigahertz computer processor chip. He was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 1997.
Emmet Chappell - Among Chappelle's discoveries is a method of instantly detecting bacteria in water, which led to the improved diagnoses of urinary tract infections.
Look 7:06. It doesnt matter if every claim that Jodi made was 100% correct. It doesnt change the fact that blacks are WAY underperforming other groups. If Jodis facts were all correct that would make it even worse. It would mean that black brilliance is, and always was, there and the current generations have fallen farther than thought.
A seperate country for blacks when so many around the world risk life and limb to get here demonstrates the insanity of black nationalism. Lets face it, the only thing between millions of blacks and homelessness and starvation is the goodwill of the white-dominated government of this country. How many blacks live on a section 8 voucher? How many on welfare and food stamps? How many millions of taxpayer money go to programs created to help blacks primarily? Do you think a black nanny state will change the life strategy followed by so many?
Now, Im against welfare for anyone who can work. Against section 8 for any but the disabled and elderly. Against any kind of assistance without expectations for all people. Im against AFDC for women who get pregnant while already on AFDC. Some say those programs have contributed to the malaise and fecklessness so prevalent in the underclass. Some say a "sink or swin" policy is the only way to a strong responsible society.
But hey, Im just a white guy.
Dont forget, its WHITEY, MR. WHITEY
Anon [12:49]"KAT; why is it OK for blacks to express the same sentiment against whites yet whites must be held to a different standard."
Because you've been at it a lot longer; we need time to catch up.
Anon: "I dont think diversity is our strength, I think it is our weakness. Each group has their own agenda and forcing them together creates friction and hate."
According to my study of history, we have been forced together on this Spaceship Earth since the beginning.
Now if you truly believe that drivel regarding "diversity," I have it on good authority another Spaceship is coming alongside this one, and it's taking transfers.
You can get off at the next stop.
Ixher; You might want to take a refresher in that history class you took.
The spaceship Earth is a pretty big place. Lots of different places filled with different people. Strangely enough most individual places filled with the same type of people. We have had these things called "wars" usually one group of people against another group of people. Sometimes because religious differences, sometimes language differences, sometimes racial differences sometimes tribal differences. The common thread here is "differences". Perhaps you were on a different "spaceship".
Lets look at any major city, they all have black sections of town, hispanic sections, asian sections, some have Vietnamese sections, Muslin sections or Jewish sections. Why do people self-segregate themselves if we all value "diversity"?
We can go deeper if you like Ixter. Go to mixed high schools at lunchtime. You will see whites, blacks and hispanics sitting at different tables. You will see groups of same races walking home together. Diversity a strength? I think not. It seems like people of a group associate by choice with their own group. Its human nature. Why should government push people together if they dont want to be together?
Let people segregate themselves. Its what they want to do. Remember, you heard it from WHITEY, MR. WHITEY
whitey: "The spaceship Earth is a pretty big place."
Just so you know: my old history book is still relevant, and serves me well.
Maybe you need to catch up; you're way behind on your current history.
Your puny white world has shrunk. Haven't you noticed?
All of us Others are crowding in, and I'm afraid that its got you a little unnerved.
And you should be: most of this "mess" that you attribute to us, you have created around the world (it's called colonialism); and don't think for a minute that you're going to be insulated from the "mess."
But like I said earlier: you can get off at the next stop.
By the way, "difference" is a contrived arrangement. Our similarities would bring us more together, if it wasn't for the "separation" thinking that has entrapped you, and give you the false comfort that you're somehow better than Others.
But for that aura of "better than" that emanates from you, I suspect that you would find friends from across all cultures, ethnic groups, and races.
Ixhler:
Granny giving you a fist jab, you took the words out of my mouth when you told anon this:
"...and give you the false comfort that you're somehow better than Others."
Anon:
What gives you the notion that ONLY and ALL blacks are on welfare, living in Section 8, and collecting government entitlements?
The reason I asked you that question is because both of my parents before me worked, and my grandparents as well. My children have worked since they were old enough to get a working permits.
All of my children graduated from college. Nobody gave me or my children a darn thing, and are not giving us anything at the present. I can't recalled any white folks ever giving me any of their hard earned money either.
BTW, there are many other families that live in the hood, just like my family that WORK, but I guarantee you and I'd bet my last on the fact that you'll never hear about us and them, because we don't fit the image that the MSM has projected to the world.
BTW, everyone in my vicinity gets up and goes to WORK. They own their homes as well, unless, you consider paying mortgages Section8.
Oh, I've moved before and lived in predominantly white neighborhoods for a few years before as well. In fact, when I decided to move back to my old neighborhood, some of my white neighbors cried and begged me not to go.
However, I found out that there is no place like home. Myself, I just like a city that is alive, where you actually see people, and hear sounds of liveliness, and it's not deader than a doorknob. The thing is, I don't have to live in the hood, but I choose to live here.
And evidently, it's some white folks that are beginning to choose to live here too, because here lately, quite a few have started moving in my old neighborhood. There are even Asians and Hispanics moving in too. Guess what, they love it too. Some of them have been here more than two years. They get up jogging, and I've even seen them walking at night. They look like they feel safe to me.
Which leaves me to conclude that white folks want our land, and so shining the light on the problems in the hood is a sure fire way to get rid of blacks and move right on in under the guise of getting rid of all those undesirables. They must be in need of more land for housing and business developments.
First of all Ixher, thanks for sddressing none of my points.
Perhaps you can explain to me how colonialism is to blame for blacks being at the bottom of the educational scale. While youre at it, link colonialism to single parents, drug addiction, criminality and neighborhood trash.
Might want to call the mother ship on that one.
As far as me being insulated from this mess, Im well aware where of the black part of town is. Im also well aware of all the young black men around me at all times. I avoid them at every turn. Im well aware of where my tax dollars go and who is on the receiving end of them. Im as insulated as I can get, but thats something you cant get enough of, feel me? Remember, it is not I whining about other races. Not I blaming others for my shortcomings. Not I calling for the removal of blacks, that came from others. If blacks want to go, bon voyage. I think its a stupid idea, but Im not black.
"Differences" are real pal. Im sure you will notice that at a NASCAR event just as I will at a Wu Tan concert. There are indeed similarities but too much other shit in the way for complete focus on them. Dontcha think?
I think the "better than" vibe you get doesnt come from me. More likely its a "worse than" vibe eminating from you. Work on your self esteem huh?
as always peace; from WHITEY, MR WHITEY
Granny; please point out in my post my use of the tern "ONLY BLACKS" on section 8.
I will wait for your response.
Thanks from MR. WHITEY.
Anon white boy...I see a different scenario than your stereotypical one...I say we have very many intelligent, capable and ready black Americans who, if given the opportunity to have 1/3 of this country and its resources, could change how economics, capitalism and power are affected in this hemisphere. If the recepton that Obama received overseas is any indication that our foreign neighbors are ready for a new paradigm; just think...if there was a small but powerful African-American "nation" in the western hemisphere, that was capable of responding to any threat...let's say like Israel...and let's say this nation had excellent relations with countries like Saudi Arabi...Venezuela...Iran...and other oil and resources producing nations...do you think we would be any different than any other nation who controls their own economic and national interest?
What the Honorable Malik El Shabazz (Bro. Malcolm X, may you rest peacefully) expressed was more to my liking than Bro. Martin L. King (honor and praise his work) when he said that we don't need civil rights or affirmative action from the white man...just give us what you promised us: our freedom and 40 acres and a mule.
The pathology of Black America is rooted in the established laws and systems of your so-called republic...and within it, a democracy that never intended to include African peoples enslaved by the immoral and unGodly institutions of white supremancy and privilege.
The pathology of Black America was established 400+ years ago and the institutions and systemic functions of white supremacy and privilege still exist even today. The illusions of a democracy of free and equal peoples have never existed in this country. People in America live in a false sense of what freedom and equality means. The whole of this nation democratic fabric is thin and thread-bare.
White privilege allows folks like you, Trent Lott, Hillary Clinton, Kati Couric to make statements based on subjective perception of race. Whiteness in America has been a peculiar aesthetic value or commodity. Just one look at the news, media, and entertainment industries for a perfect example. Katie Couric complaining about sexism but I don't know of ONE black woman, with a better resume and looks, (and there many of them) that would receive the 15mil a year demanded by Couric.
One of the primary privileges of being white in America is an unrecognized and imperceptible access to a set of benefits and resources that are unavailable to blacks and other people of color. It has become common to divert attention away from white supremacy and privilege as this exonerates the white psyche particularly, the fragile white male one.
Field - ROTHLMAO at your entry today!
Riorr; WOW, right out of the pages of Black Victimology 101. Where you get 13% of the population gets 33% of the country escapes me. Black math maybe?
Plenty of brilliant blacks to be sure. Where are they with regards to the failing generations of blacks we see now? Where do they stand on education? Where do they stand on responsibility? Where do they stand on respecting women? Where they stand on single parents and absent fathers? Where do they stand on picking a fight with a nuclear Isreal?. Absolutely right there are plenty of brilliant blacks. Im going out on a limb and saying YOU aint one of them.
If we are so toxic here why do you stay? As Ixher said the spaceship earth is a big place. Plenty of room for you to free yourself from the torment. Is it the opportunity here that keeps you? Is it the freedom you have? Could it be the government handout that keeps your ass glued to these shores? I have an idea there.
'White privilege" is just another concoction from the race and gender departments of various liberal universities created to explain and minimize black failure. Asians have come here and done fine. Hispanics never seem to be jobless. Even africans blacker than Yaphett Koto come here and seem to make it. Remember the guy from Mali gunned down for $12 by African american thugs? Yet somehow "white privilige" is the reason fools like you remain bottom feeders.
Start graduating high school at a better than even clip. Start creating families. Start performing at school equal to whites and asians. Stop the criminal activity, stop the killing, stop the madness. THEN lets see how you do in society. Until then the answer to your societal position lies squarely in your court.
Just a humble opinion from WHITEY, MR. WHITEY
This troll above came straight from Stormfront.
Field, your article began with Belgium wanting to spit in two. That was a link worth reading.
I concluded it's our Budweiser beer! Yep, the Belgium's bought Anheuser-Busch last month and now look what's gone and happened!
Our folks in St. Louis must be laughin'.
Look, Field, I know you're just funnin' with us here, but some of the trolls don't seem to get it.
It just so happens that my wife is a former citizen of the secessionist state of Biafra. The entire history of Africa would have been different if the Biafrans had succeeded in blowing up up the stinking corpse known as "Nigeria." It was a noble cause to be sure, but the price the Biafrans paid was awfully steep!
Seriously, there was a group some years ago called the Republic of New Africa that seriously proposed splitting off several states to form an African-American homeland, but these sort of splittist movements never seem to go anywhere. My impression is that the overwhelming majority of black Americans want a fair shake in this country rather than to live in another country.
Anon:
Oh, darling you didn't come straight out and say all, but you implied it indirectly with these statement of yours:
"Lets face it, the only thing between millions of blacks and homelessness and starvation is the goodwill of the white-dominated government of this country."
"How many blacks live on a section 8 voucher? How many on welfare and food stamps?"
"How many millions of taxpayer money go to programs created to help blacks primarily?"
You see, what you're implying indirectly is all of those programs were created to help black folks. Especially, the last comment you made that I quoted you on. Which is a bunch of BS, because those programs were created to help poor people. If white folks didn't need it, you can bet your bottom dollar those programs wouldn't have been created at all. However, whenever, white folks want to get rid of those type of programs, they pull a Ronald Reagan number and sing the "Welfare Queen Myth." song in which one of the verses it's the BLACK PEOPLE.
The majority of programs the USA created excluded black folks throughout history. The Homestead Act, the New deal, the Social Security act to name a few.
BTW, don't you think that you, also, need to worry about your own neighborhoods. I mean come on now, it's not, exactly, PERFECT.
Are Maury and Jerry Springer the only whites that are not afraid to and willing to talk about the problems in WHITE neighborhoods that are similar and even worse in certain situations.
Okay, for instance, let's talk about the baby mammas in the white neighborhoods who by the way don't know WHICH man out of SEVERAL is the father of their babies, or the ones having babies by their daddy, uncles, brothers, cousins, and the list goes on.
Let's talk about the drug problems in the white neighborhoods, you know, speed, crank, heroin, etc. Funny, but when it's the black folks doing it, their labeled dope addicts, but when it's the white folks doing it, it's labeled an illness, or mistake, or they didn't know what they were doing.
What's keeping the black folks down, is the double standards and double talk white folks have a habit of doing. For instance, back in the 60's and 70's white folks was smoking marijuana, dropping acid, LSD, Mescaline, smoking opium left and right. It was labeled an epidemic--a sickness, but crack is labeled a crime.
What about those white kids cussing their parents out and jumping on them? The parents can't control their kids and send them to boot camp for someone else to help them control their kids. One thing I do know, if a black kid cussed or laid a hand on his mother or father, you'd be picking that kid up off the ground
Don't you get tired of covering up the white problem and shining the light on other minorities problems--that's a double standard and it causes friction and anger. Stop being full of dung. Let's be honest and keep it real. That's just like a kid always pointing a finger at someone else, to keep folks from looking at them.
Why are blacks failing in education? Hahahaha... Could it have something to do with discouragement and the way you make a difference in how you treat them. Books that are outdated, outdated equipment or lack of, inferior schools, teachers who believe blacks are not capable of learning and that don't care if they learn or not and negative attitudes towards them or viewing them as undesirables. Kids are not dummies they know when people are mistreating them in a subtle way.
Teaching them a history that blacks, Asians, Indians, and other minorities are left out of as if every other race disappeared off the face of the earth and no one was here on this planet but white folks. Come on now! Telling lies about some it or leaving out some of it, to make your race look good or like they're better than others; they're the only ones that ever accomplished anything in the whole wide world. As if to say, all other races aren't nobodies, but us whites we are the great superior race.
Killings, oh please don't go there, or should we talk about all of the mass murders that have been committed throughout history, and subtle forms of genocide right here in America starting with the Indians or what is going on today in Iraq. How about the poisons that have infiltrated minority neighborhoods such as drugs, alcohol, even some of these legal drugs that by the way come by way of planes and boats that black folks don't happen to own. Don't forget your serial killers and Timothy McVeighs, and trigger happy Red-necks.
Yeah, I'm all for talking about the problems in black neighborhoods, but while we at it, we're going to talk about those same problems going on in white neighborhoods. You see, I'm a firm believer that no race on this earth is perfect, "We all sin and fall short of the glory of the Lord." Believe me, I can go down the line on all races and point out their shortcomings. That was just a brief summary.
Anon:
BTW, when young white women have babies, their parents throw them out the home in the streets, no support, and disown them. Black people don't disown their children and turn their back on them like that.
When you pass a street where prostitutes work, the majority of them are white. You might see, maybe, one or two black one out of every ten white prostitutes. Now that's a problem you need to work on Anonymous, because they shouldn't have to sell their bodies like that. I mean with all the best and better education and all their receiving.
@whitey:"First of all Ixher, thanks for sddressing none of my points. Perhaps you can explain to me how colonialism is to blame for blacks being at the bottom of the educational scale."
I wish I had to the time to refute your statement point-by-point, but alas, I feel that it would do little good--your heart already appears to have hardened on the arrogance, and self-righteousness that seem to mark others of your ilk that I have contended with on this and other blogs.
And in parting, let me say this: don't look to Africa, or the Middle East, or India, or other places where white European colonialism extended its imperialistic tendrils, look to your own backyard, and note the damage that it has done to native Americans, many of whom are still coping with the near-destruction of their culture, and the stealing of their land by rapacious whites.
They don't appear to be doing so well, notwithstanding Indian Casino's on many reservations.
And let me tell you this, because I don't think you're going to hear it from anyone else, anywhere else.
Cutting-edge technological advances does not Highly Evolved Beings (HEBs) make.
Some of the most Highly Evolved Beings on this planet cannot read or write, and many have never heard a radio, nor have they seen many of the technological wonders that you arrogate to yourself as proof of your own superiority.
These Beings did not create the nuclear bomb, these beings did not decimate a continent of its people (its brain trust), and force them into some of the worse slavery known to man.
These beings did not create flying ships, underwater-boats, and weapons of mass destruction that can destroy the world, and descend it into a nuclear winter that would make a speedy death a blessing to those left to die in the aftermath.
No, you Europeans did that, and arrogantly called it progress.
So, don't pat yourselves on the back just yet, this Spaceship Earth hasn't made it to its next destination, and it may never.
No, keep your shock and awe technology, and get back to the simple existence that respects all life forms on the planet, and doesn't seek to destroy forest, wildlife, the oceans, and yes, people, for the sake of power, greed, superiority, and dominance.
The Climate Change thing, that you take no responsibility for, is going to get worse, and its creation was more than cyclical--it was that monstrous machine of yours, conquer by consumption, that created it.
I'll take all these ne'er-do-well blacks, any day, to all you white geniuses that now have us teetering on the brink of self-annihilation.
But go and learn what all that mean, I will not sacrifice.
Ixher:
Amen, amen, and amen again!
Amen Granny!
...and let me add this (as an Asian)
The troll posters here know nothing about Asians, just like they know nothing about African-Americans. The "model minority" myth used on Asians is just as damaging as the "welfare queen" myth used on African-Americans.
Asians consist of many different ethnicities, and come from all over the world. Asians come to this country under many different circumstances. While Asians have had great success in this country, some groups are facing problems with poverty, education, and gangs similar to that of African-Americans.
and Ixher:
You've said it all.
Oh Granny, how disappointing to hear the "whites do it too" song coming from you. Do you really care what whites do to mess up their neighborhoods? (of which there are many). Equally disappointing to hear the "indirect implication" riff. Anyone can assume an "indirect implication" from anything. I think thats beneath you. I say exactly what I mean. My words are clear. No need to hide behind subtle implications here. As you can see, Im pretty blunt. This is a black oriented blog and black problems are discussed. You want to change the focus? Im sure you do.
Poor people have very little control over their surroundings. The one thing which is in their control is the effort they put into education, which happens to be the way out of poverty. Poor asians have the idea. Many poor whites and hispanics have the idea. Blacks, however are discouraged, not by whites, or evil teachers, but by their own peers who chide acheivers as "being white" or being a "sellout". You know that very well granny. Shame on you for blaming others.
You seem to be implying (indirectly, of course) that since whites did and still do bad things, that somehow absolves blacks of responsibility. Thats absurd and helps nobody change the situation. You want me to admit there are tons of serious problems in the white community? DONE. I admit it. Does that make you feel better about the black situation? Does that soothe your soul? Whites kill, sure enough. Does that make the killing fields of Philly and every other black city OK? Does it make it hurt less? Whites do drugs and ruin their lives sure as God made little green apples. Does that erase the plight of drugs in black communities? does that negate the effect of crack on families, parents and babies. I sure hope not.
You see Granny, your too intent of puttin this white man down than to think what youre saying. The glare of the spotlight is uncomfortable, it should be. Get over it. The "hey, well so are you" argument isnt worthy of a ten year old. Certainly not worthy of you. You dare minimize the thousands of senseless deaths in chocolate towns by saying "whites do it too?"SHAME ON YOU GRANNY.
Like I said. I dont think you are averse to hearing the truth. You just dont want to hear it from a white man. Whites have their problems and there are plenty of good meaning whites trying to fix them. Nowhere near the crisis stage as in the black community. A 180 degree change must be achieved and acheived soon Maybe ""listening"" to WHITEY and not focusing on his skin color is a good start. Many discussion of problems in your community have been tackled on this blog, how many have been explained away by "whites do it too"? Are you really satisfied with that argument? If your son was caught doing something bad and he said, "Its no big deal Granny, I saw a white guy do it"? What would your response be?
Sincerely WHITEY, MR. WHITEY
Wendy:
That is so true Wendy. The black community and Asian communities are very complexed. I have a few Asian relatives as well as number of friends. We've sat down many days together and talked about different issues. I have much love for them too, because we can relate with each other on many things going on here in America and in our lives. In fact, I've discovered in my lifetime most minorities can relate with each other. They don't try to act like they're better than each other, and they respect one another as human beings.
Anon white boy...I guess you got your lil' feeling hurt huh? Of course you had to fall back on ad hominem insults like your idol Rush Limpballs. It just shows your poor character, ignorance and lack of historical knowledge in denying that white supremacy and privilege were an established set of peculiar laws in the founding this nation. US institutions and culture give preferential treatment to peoples who ancestors were from Europe over peoples who ancestors are from the Americas, Africa, and Asia. I guess all those "native" folks here and subsequent genocidal acts of white men and their "manifest destiny" was just myth? Being "white" was a significant and important cultural value outlined and legitimized by many laws, statutes and early court decisions in the founding of this nation. In 1789, the Constitution established white supremacy by giving whites extra votes, including congressional seats based on the number of slaves held...even though the slaves could not vote themselves.
In 1790, Congress passed laws that gave "any alien, being a free white person, who resided in this nation for TWO YEARS, automatic citizenship. The Dred Scott decision by the SCOTUS upheld the Fugitive Slave Act, stating that even a "free negro of African descent,...is not a citizen within the meaning of the Constitution of the US. And consequently, the rights and freedom guaranteed to ALL citizens do not apply to them.
Your generalizations are pretty amusing but inherently false and to clarify, while I agree there are many problems that the black community may need to work on...white boy's like yourself need to shut the fuck up when it comes to telling us what to do with our community since you've exonerated yourselves from ANY responsibility for fucking it up.
BTW...I possess a BS in Chemistry and currently working on a doctorate degree in Biological Sciences with emphasis on Molecular Biology. A simple review of your posts indicate that you are nothing more than racist troll that have no intention of having an honest debate or discussion about the state of our community...and nor do you really care.
OH MY IXHER, You would love to refute my statement point by point, but alas, you just cant. I understand completely.
True about the most "enlightened" people being outside of high education. Had the opportunity to spend some time with a few Llamas (not the animals) VERY impressive.
The problem with discovering advanced and new technologies is they can be used for means that are both good and evil. Nuclear energy begets nuclear weapons. Internal combustion creates wealth, advancement and tons of CO2. Heck, the invention of bronze advanced civilization and also created easier ways to kill each other. Such is the world my friend. The ying and the yang of the human condition. It is present in all fragile humans. What the fuck you want me to do about it?
You seem fixated on
this "superiority" thing. Dont know why. You have your point of view as do I. I think Im right, so do you. The "superiority" thing from me is actually an "inferiority" thing from within you. Try watching Dr. Phil. I hear he does wonders with self-affirmation.
sleep tight and do me a favor, dream of me, WHITEY, MR. WHITEY
Roirr; What a wonderful history lesson. Thanks a bunch. I especially liked the stuff about the 18th century. FASCINATING. Tell me, what century is it now? 21ST? Ya, I thought so.
I dont recall debating you about the founding tenents of the American republic. So the stuff about white supremacy and the founding fathers....well Ill just have to take your word for that. After all, youve got a BS in Chemistry.
The point that my race precludes me from commenting on black problems...hmmmm...Im sure that your race precludes you from commenting on white foibles? UMMM, NO, Ill say what I want and so will you. I hope thats clear enough.
Its been a while since college, but I dont remember the chemistry department teaching psychology. If you can do serious psychological analysis from an anonymous internet posting, well, thats some strong ass chemistry my friend. Did you do a few acid/base titrations to come up with that? Did you put a copy of my posts into a mass spectrometer and it spit out "White supremacist"? Tell me what is the chemical equation you use to identify aryan trolls on the net? Must be very complicated indeed. My head is aching just thinking about it. Ill tell my nazi friends to steer clear of Brotha bunsen-burner
MR WHITEY OUT
Anon:
You know what Whitey, you're so full of dung and you're a hypocrit to boot, and you know that as well as I do. As for your amateur attempts at reverse psychology, it don't work with me. I see through your BS. I know that one and one can be two, and it can, also, be eleven. I'm don't play the blame game. I keep it real. Games are for kids, and Granny has not lived this long to play games. If it's a game with you then you need to go play with someone else, because I don't play.
In case, you didn't notice, Granny doesn't bite or chew on her tongue either. First of all, my son wouldn't do no dumb stuff. I raised him well, and he is into a very positive lifestyle.
From what I've gathered from your post, your quick to lump all black folks together and judge them with stereotype labels. In addition, you throw in little snide remarks and talk down to people. Whelp, the way I see it, you ought to be able to accept the same when it's thrown back at you.
Let me tell you something else, I don't need you a white man to tell me nothing about being black in America. Because you're not QUALIFIED to tell me anything about being black. You know nothing about being black nor do you know blacks as well as you assume to think you do. MSM media's or television period, is a lopsided analysis of black people and not a good tool to go by. You follow me?
Further more, any time, I see someone with your type of attitude trying to put others down and acting like your better than thou or so self-righteous, I am going to speak up, say something, and hand them a mirror. I don't care if you like it, or not, because Granny stands every inch of ground she walks on.
As for me supposedly trying to put you down, hmmm...did I say something that hit home with you? If I recall correctly, I was talking about the problems in the white community. I already know about the problems in our community. However, talking about it is not changing it, unless someone has a solution, or is trying to do something to change it, talking is cheap. Action speaks louder than words.
Anon:
Oops, I forgot to add one more thing. Yes, your right this is a black blog talking about black issues, but I don't remember anyone making you an honorary black brotha. Most whites that post on here aren't trying to put others down by stereotyping and making snide remarks either when they talk about black issues.
My girl, Whitney, she, definitely, don't bite her tongue, speaks her mind, and I love it. She is down to earth.
sagacioushillbilly, deacon, bob, and a few other white folks come in here and talk about black issues and it doesn't bother me and a lot of times I agree with what they are saying.
sagacioushillybilly has even spoken about problems in his community, and that let's me know that he doesn't think he is better than others and he sees people as human beings. As do the others I mentioned. People like them I don't mind hearing what they have to say about black problems, because their honest enough to admit they're problems in their community as well and they don't come across as better than thou. They come across as we're all human beings. They keep it real, and I respect their input.
However, YOU, I don't like, because you come in with racist insults, and are an azzhole that thinks your so smart or so advance. I guess you never heard of that saying, "An educated FOOL" which fits you perfectly.
whitey: "Lets face it, the only thing between millions of blacks and homelessness and starvation is the goodwill of the white-dominated government of this country....
"You seem fixated on
this "superiority" thing. Dont know why."
Must have been another whitey/anon that spouted those words.
I just can't seem to keep you guys straight.
Granny, you rock!
whitey: "Such is the world my friend."
Such is the world created by whites. Yet, you believe that we should genuflect to such dubious achievements, and chalk up the misuse of technology to the misguided nature of man.
Must I remind you: people of color did not create these doomsday potentialities, and if this planet goes up in smoke, it will be because of whites, and their incessant greed, and drive for power, and dominance.
Strangely, no other race seems so driven toward self-destruction. It appears that this self-destructive nature is something inherent in the "nature" of whites.
And don't blow smoke up my nose: the atom bomb was not built for peaceful purposes.
This "white-dominated government" knew exactly what it was doing when it developed this monster, and it was not for the purpose of generating energy somewhere down the road.
So, if this "white-dominated government" is going to take all the credit for the survival of millions of blacks, let it also stand up and take some blame for placing the planet on a possible collision course with some future, untimely demise.
Sleep on that! This could be your last night on the planet.
STOP feeding the troll.
Field, at risk of taking the joke too serious, your map made me wince. We don't need the east coast and all its' infrastructure. We need something more conducive to self sustainability - we want California. Don't wanna have to depend on the "others" for our year round food supply do we? And we sure as hell don't need that east coast weather. They won't wanna come off it, for numerous reasons; not to mention the Mexicans would take it as a slap in the face. But maybe we could work something out. After all We're taking our Athletes, musicians and entertainers with us. And I'm pushing for a serious tax on them shyts.
spiderbytes said...
STOP feeding the troll.
You're right. My bad.
No way are you giving Washington, Oregon, and Northern Cali to the fucking evangelicals. It's the only part of the country that hasn't been completely ruined by our fixation with covering everything in concrete.
The Evans can have Arkansas. That way they won't have to go through the trouble of trying to turn the clock back 2000 years.
I'm taking the Northwest Coast, and declaring myself Emperor.
My first order of business will be to ban All Religions.
First Im not whitey. After reading last nights exchange, mr whitey sure does bring it. seems he got everybody running into walls. Lets never bring the "whites do it too" excuse into an argument OK? Nobody gives a fuck what whites do to themselves.
gotta admit, white boy had me laughin.
"Where you get 13% of the population gets 33% of the country escapes me. Black math maybe?"
Hmmmm, since when does FOUR states out of 50 equal 33%? I mean damn, is this some new white math that I don't know about.
Trolls can be so funny. And the fact that they didn't even get the post makes it even funnier :)
I hear ya' Fairlane.
I want San Francisco for a separate homeland for my tribe.
Call it the Republic of the LGBTland and Jim and I will preside over it like Juan and Evita Peron, printing money and handing it out to all our citizens.
Cable TV will be free, as will be the Muni Metro, the uber-rich will be taken from their Pacific Heights mansions (yep, that means YOU Dianne Feinstein and Nancy Pelosi), and forced to live in Los Angeles, 400 miles south. Their homes divided into apartments for the elderly, disabled and the homeless.
No Republicans will be permitted to live in LGBTland. They may visit and spend their tourist dollars but they will not be granted residency permits.
Good morning all. Mr. Whitey slept well. No nuclear holocaust last night, thank God. I hope Ixher escaped the armageddon also.
Where to start. Lets get Field up to speed first. Peruse my post @ 5:57. You will see at the end I acknowleged your column as "tongue-in-cheek. I hardly thought I had to, but I did. Subtle, it wasnt, nuanced? perhaps. Next, check out Roirr's post @ 10:13, you dont need to trudge through the whole wretched thing, just the first paragraph. He mentions "give us 1/3 of the country and its resources" I calculated 1/3 to 33%. Its actually 33.3333% Mr. Whitey was a tad lazy there. Didnt realize you were such a stickler for rounding off to the whole number. Im sure brotha bunsen burner was equally annoyed. Ill try harder. My comment was in relation to that.
Lets also deal with Mr. Cristopher, stylist to the stars. I doubt many right wingers would plan a vacation to gayburg. (another "chocolate city" perhaps? Just take the hershey highway north till you reach the inflammed bump in the road?) sorry couldnt resist. I say it with love remember. You might get a few lonely germans, the ladies from the pete rose haircut club, and a bus from fire island. Families dont really want to see the LBG parade featuring Timmy and Tommy the testicle twins gyrating in feather boas and leather thongs. Not even the two for one butt plug sale is going to attract the evangelical club (although Im sure more than one pastor will make the trip). Nope, I think a road trip to see the largest twine ball on earth will hold more interest for them.
BTW; whats the plan for all your kids? just curious.
With love...WHITEY...thats MR. WHITEY
Field...
Tongue in cheek..ok I get it but WTF?
Grannystandingfortruth said..."In fact, I've discovered in my lifetime most minorities can relate with each other."
I find that most people can relate with each other. The grey matter is the same grey the blood that bleeds, is the same red. The outside is just the window dressing. Because skin/hair cannot be hidden; simple minded people make a kneejerk reaction that there is a "real" difference. "A difference, which makes no difference is not difference at all." POC are easily segregated...other kinds of people not so much.
Ixher said "...Must I remind you: people of color did not create these doomsday potentialities, and if this planet goes up in smoke, it will be because of whites, and their incessant greed, and drive for power, and dominance."
Strangely, no other race seems so driven toward self-destruction. It appears that this self-destructive nature is something inherent in the "nature" of whites."
It is people, Ixher, please look at any level of activity and it is generally based on "greed, power, and dominance;" from street punks on up.
All of us seem to agree that "poor" folks are the problem. If we can help cure the "poor" we can help all of us. "Charity is just self-interest in longrun."
Offtopic. Have you been anywhere there are just dark poc? Did you feel a little spooked too? Or does your 12% rule kick in? LOL
But seriously how do you manage to read and write all that you do? I spend way to much time doing this and all I do is follow your blog and where you point. Of course, I am not doing anything to help any problem at all except with a little money.
Mr Whitey why are yo on this black site, just showing your devilish nature I suppose.
PEOPLE IGNORE THE IGNORANT PEOPLE THAT COME ON A BLACK SITE TO ARGUE WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO COME TOGETHER. IGNORE THEM, DO NOT COMMENT BACK, JUST IGNORE THEM!!! WHY ARGUE WITH THE DEVIL? HE'S JUST HERE TO STIR UP TROUBLE DON'T FALL INTO HIS TRAP, IGNORE HIM AND ANY OTHER DUMBASS. why come to a black site it's just to cause trouble, we can't have anything not even a website to discuss our opinions without some KKK member joining in, why even come on this site go the USATODAY.COM with the other racist that think like you!
MR WHITEY DEVIL HERE;
AHH, Mr.3:06, isnt diversity our strength? Would a board that reads like a giant circle jerk be more advantageous?
"You bet Field" "right again brotha", "DITTO"
Not too entertaining is it?
Face it, you cant handle what Im saying and more to the point, you cant handle that IM saying it.
You see, Ive got PLENTY of solutions for the problems facing both our communities. Unfortunately those solutions dont involve pointing fingers at anybody except those who create havoc, those who fail by choice and the people who raise them. They do not involve government involvement other than punitive. I believe the individual has full power over the direction of his life and failure and shitty choices land up directly in his/her own lap.
White thugs who victimize in my community will get no sympathy or mercy from me. I will cooperate with police, I will snitch and I will demand the harshest of punishment for them. Those whites who fail in school will get my best wishes in their careers of low paying manual labor that awaits them. Those white women who choose to have multiple kids from multiple fathers will be held to the same standards I expect from my wife and myself. The white fathers who dont support their kids financially or emotionally will be judged harshly with no excuses accepted from their shady asses. White drug addicts should be helped once and left to their own destruction after that. If families, friends and churches want to help him? Great. The government should not. Whites have a scourge equal to crack in the black community. Its called Meth and it destroys families as quickly as anything will. A zero tolerance should be employed and I wouldnt feel bad if the punishment for meth is twice as harsh as that of crack. I wouldnt cry foul and I CERTAINLY wouldnt take the cause of my white "brother" who chose meth. I think any white person who is able to work yet lives on a section 8 voucher is a scrub. He/she will get no respect from me and you are damn right I will feel superior to them. Any white who milks welfare in leiu of self help falls into the same category. Any white who blames others for the choices in life and consequences thereof is a whiner. The man who does that is not a man in my book. The white person who expects others to help him do something he is able but unwilling to do gets my scorn. No respect from me, and I will more than likely let him know exactly how I feel about his actions.
THERE. Thats how I, and many, feel about whites who dont toe the line. It would be racist if I didnt hold blacks to those same standards.
"Well, whites should be responsible, but blacks? well, you know...they really cant control themselves, can they"
Absolutely a racist statement there. To expect less means I think blacks are capable of less. It seems like many here think less of blacks than MR. DEVIL WHITEY.
aint that somethin
just more love from WHITEY..MR. WHITEY
anon white boy...you make me laugh. You're really quite entertaining. But don't get it twisted...I know your type very well and no it doesn't take any psychology course to recognize you're a pathetic racist troll... trolling the "black "blogsphere to incite and harass the black folks. I guess coming here to get your kicks is better than being in a circle-jerk at Tush Limpballs site with your comrades.
...but just can't deny those facts about the peculiar (ill)legitimacy of white supremacy/privilege...no sir,... because white privilege and racial oppression are two sides of the same coin.
And get this; non-ruling working class white people are both oppressed and privileged.
Let me clarify that for you white boy.
From the very beginnings of this nation, it was and has been a CLASS-BASED society in which the GOVERNMENT served the purposes and interests of the RICH, while allowing the (get this...)WHITE MIDDLE-CLASS to serve as wage and debt slaves for the politicians and their wealthy contributors. I could go into how the "race" thing was used by the government and entitled land owners to ensure the race and class thing would be a permanent part of our society's thread-bare democracy...and dig this...it's occurring right now...today in the 21th century.
So unless you're rich bitch you're really no different from any other slave.
The freedom and right I possess are God-given and have nothing to do with what the white man believes is righteous or true. Men of color have shown themselves capable of accepting the paradoxes of human existence. White males (not all) possess a uniquely inadequate psychology in this regard. Examples of this are expressed through the pathologies and manifestations of the white supremacy model. Just as someone above pointed out, look at the condition of the world today. The white-patriarchal dominated world has perpetuated various threats to the very survival of it. Wars, environmental pollution, resource rape of oil/coal/diamond-rich countries...causing death and destruction throughout history.
And you have the gall to comment about black folks...white boy, please!
FN - "Trolls can be so funny. And the fact that they didn't even get the post makes it even funnier :)"
Exactly
FN - I will not respond to this dumb mo'fo anymore.
"THERE. Thats how I, and many, feel about whites who dont toe the line. It would be racist if I didnt hold blacks to those same standards"
Well why you ain't at some hillbilly ass white folks site tellin' them to git their shit together...
oh excuse me..i'll tell you why.
cause you're just a racist bullshitter trollin' the blackblogessphere!
Anon 5:04, if I were at a white site, Id be preachin to the choir. Not many whites blaming others for their idiotic choices. Not many whites making excuses for self destructive behavior. Not many whites lamenting stiff prison sentences for whites who victimize. Whites know where the blame lies for their pathology. Many blacks seem confused. Thats why Im here......... youre welcome.
Now Roirr; You are no more a student of chemistry and molecular biology than you are the queen of France. That line of hackneyed racial victim-speak is straight out of the textbooks of freshman race and gender studies. Students of chemistry (took organic 330-333, biochem 440-442 in college) have little time to soak their heads on the rancid vats of race and gender gobbldegook. Those sociology dinks cant wrap a binary vision of the world around their softy-huggy-kissy brains.
No Riorr, you are a 19-22 yr old college student (3rd tier, guessing Norfolk St or Fla A&M, possibly NC Central) who is planning to major in sociology/African American studies. You dress in the stereotypical baggies ALWAYS with some kind of afro-centric accessory. skullcap, palestinian scarf, Che/Marley t-shirt red/green/black pendant prominantly displayed. You hang in afro-trendy coffee shops and drink only jamacian coffee or a kenyan chai, ordered so all can hear of course. You dabble in new age religion, veganism(but you love your burgers). You have some kind of political hairdo, afro, dreds, cornrows along with goofy goatee if you are male, hairy pits if female. Dont get the female vibe though. You would have thrown in some radical feminist pap if you were.
No Roirr, nothing binary about you. Youve got amateur activist written all over you. Always on the edge of 2.0.
Hows that? and I dont even have a chemistry degree.
Nothing but love from WHITEY, MR. WHITEY
"Anon 5:04, if I were at a white site, Id be preachin to the choir. Not many whites blaming others for their idiotic choices. Not many whites making excuses for self destructive behavior."
reductio ad absurdium
whitey, you are one funny ass cracka. some really funny shit there. do you have a blog? if not get one. you one hard ass. comin on this blog and smashin folks around like that. too bad nobody will mess with you no more
LOL! I haven't heard about Belgium. I think a great opportunity was missed in the past. However look at the Native Americans. But it may be about time to throw options out there. I don't know, but I am one of those who doesn't believe that equality will ever come for blacks.
We however need Black men of will and committement to the Black Community. If the media is to be believed, they are more interested in chasing after white women. So many may not relocate.
I forgot to mention that Beligum's internal politics had a huge effect on Rwanda which resulted in the Genocide. The Flemish where the Church people that favored the Hutu while the French Supported the Tutsi. These two prepped the two groups to eventually collide. So no tears for Belgium Splitting. They deserve it.
LadyCracker said... "It is people, Ixher, please look at any level of activity and it is generally based on 'greed, power, and dominance;' from street punks on up."
You miss my point: "street punks on up" to what...? did not, for the sake of greed, power, and dominance, build weapons that can destroy the world.
White folks did that!
Misleading heading FN!
I thought you were gonna write about getting out of the US of Merriment. Why you gotta play mind games?
And What no one has asked yet is whether Nasir got a fee for his participation or is doing this to counterbalance all the foolishness with the title of his current release. Don't worry though he'll go back to acting like a fool soon. This was just temporary sanity.
"If I were at a white site, Id be preachin to the choir. Not many whites blaming others for their idiotic choices. Not many whites making excuses for self destructive behavior. Not many whites lamenting stiff prison sentences for whites who victimize. Whites know where the blame lies for their pathology. Many blacks seem confused."
Simple answer-
Whites are not discriminated against, nor have they ever been discriminated against on a societal scale in this country (I know this because- I'm white).
Pretending as though that part of reality does not exist, is the height of intellectual, and moral cowardice/laziness.
The rest of your comment is nothing more than lobbing a hand grenade into a crowed room knowing someone is bound to get hit by the shrapnel.
Of course, you know all this.
So, let's get down to the real reason you're here. On teh Innertubes, people like you can hide behind your anonymity, and pretend to be something you're not, say things you'd never say in mixed company, and do so without any consequences. And that's the key- NO CONSEQUENCES.
What does that say about you?
I'd say, offhand, you're a frightened, powerless little man in the Real World.
Do you know what I mean by "Powerless?"
I'm going to say, No, no, you don't know what I mean.
In the Real World, you'd never dare come into a room like this, at least not voluntarily. And, if by chance you ever did, you sure as shit wouldn't say anything other than, "Hello, how are you?"
I find that disappointing.
You're all about "Personal Responsibility," as long as you can say so without being "Personally Responsible."
Is that Irony?
You can hide who you are on the Internet, you can fancy yourself up with the contrived reasoning, and the pseudo-intellectualism. You could also put a dress on a pig, but, at the end of the night, you still went to prom with a Fucking Pig.
I have truly enjoyed this discussion tonite... and although folks are dismissing whitey --- I have to admit, I have said these very same words myself about my own people (black):
"White thugs who victimize in my community will get no sympathy or mercy from me...(--every single word in the middle too--)...No respect from me, and I will more than likely let him know exactly how I feel about his actions."
Replace White for Black, and dammit, we are long lost twins!
YEP. I could've written that rant myself. Why? Because I'm tired. My family & extended family --- hell, my entire neighborhood ---would NOT accept mediocrity from my generation of kids. PERIOD. So we had no choice but to succeed.
Nowadays, it's a whole different ballgame. The very same kids I went to school with are too busy for their kids. Too busy workin. Too busy partyin. Too busy! Talk to them and they'll tell you "I just can't control him/her".
BULLSHIT!
I'm tough on the kids in my neighborhood. I have to be! I paid too much for my house to be afaid in my own home. Besides, I have big expectations of them. So no, I cut them no slack.
And for some reason, my house is the most popular on the block. I provide free meals, free rides, free tutoring, free computer training... and in return, I get respectful, helpful, articulate, HOPEFUL teens whose parents don't understand why their kids act so differently around me & my family. Don't tell me that Black teens are lost! They understand it perfectly when you expect them to go to college and you stay after them (I know their teachers & schedules better than their parents do).
And when you have a bakesale, yardsale, talentshow, or carwash EVERY single weekend in the Spring & Summer to raise money for their college tuitions --- All the while telling them that you won't spend one red cent to bail them out of jail--- They BELIEVE you.
So enough with the excuses, already.
Fairlane, do you really think youd get a parting shot with no response? Yup, probably.
I dont know how long you left your response in the oven, but it sure came out undercooked.
SO, your answer to whites not blaming others and blacks blaming others is that blacks have been discriminated against. Since the past can never be erased, blacks should always blame others for their failures. Blacks can make stupid choices that you and I could never get away with and whites will always have a good deal of the blame. In other words blacks are damaged goods and will always be damaged goods. Sorry Miss Scarlett, not buyin it. Blacks are grown people who can function at grown up levels. Condescending whites are probably as abhorrent to them as they are to me. Expect the same from blacks and, in my experiences, you will get it. But go ahead, try excuse #244 in the maternal white liberal handbook and see if that one floats. Im guessing its a lead baloon like "post traumatic slave syndrome" was.
All this excuse making isnt helping anybody, dont you realize that? If you treat people like they cant accomplish the same as you then you are saying you are superior. Blacks can get the same grades as whites...do you agree? Blacks can perform as well on standardized tests as whites....do you agree? Then why do you make excuses for failure to do so? If your child brought home "c's" and "d's" would you point the finger at the evil school system? Or would you work harder with the child to help them perform? Shouldnt blacks do the same?
Your "scared little man" screed was as weak as I would expect from you, Im not disappointed at that. Believe me I have no hesitation speaking my mind in front of whomever wants to hear. As you have noticed, I have well defined opinions and can hold my own even in a room of "big scary negroes" OOOHHHH! Nobody has ever reacted violently, as you imply they would. Not all blacks are violent prone as you imply.I expect decent results from decent people. I dont expect more from whites and I dont accept less from blacks. Everybody equal....gee what a concept. Try it out.
I have had a few black employees in my time. I treated them like men. I told them what was expected and what they could expect. No gray area to any of my employees. To be honest, none worked out very well, parted ways with all of them, but also fired two of my nephews too. Dont think its a race thing, its a generation thing, maybe a discussion for another day. I pay more than most, but expect more than most too.
Why is expecting the same from blacks a racist way of thinking? To expect less means to think less of their abilities. Unbelievable the resistance to that concept among the left.
Oh well, another 16 hr day comes to an end. no complaints from me, why you ask? because Im WHITEY.... MR. WHITEY
Spookedsaid:
"Don't tell me that Black teens are lost!"
Exactly, how I feel, and I agree with you on that. One of the very reasons most of the kids don't listen to folks nowadays is because they talk down to them, instead of encouraging and helping them.
"The very same kids I went to school with are too busy for their kids."
That's another major part of the problem with kids today, and this is not just with blacks, it crosses all color lines. Parents too busy for their kids.
Raising children is not an easy job and is one that requires you to stay on your "p's" and "q" at all times. You have to say what you mean, mean what you say. And you definitely have to spend some time with them and talk to them and with them, not at them, and most of all encourage them and show them the way.
"I have had a few black employees in my time. I treated them like men."
MR WHITEY, you own a business? Now there is a scary thought. No wonder the economy is all f****d up:)
And I am glad you treat ALL your employees like men. I mean, I guess it beats getting treated like...huh slaves.
That's it? That's the "Kill Shot," your "Coup de grace?"
I'm a, "Liberal?"
Christ, it's even worse than I thought.
You are, a complete, and Utter Douche Bag.
Maybe you should enlist the aid of a tutor or possibly you could ask Jeff Foxworthy to write your next response.
The simple truth is, You Are Out of Your Element.
Your philosophy, is nothing more than Neo-Racism.
Instead of out, and out denying the history of racism, you pay it lip service, and then "Presto-Blingo," you pretend that on some magical day in the not too distant past, Racism Suddenly Ended, and now we all stand on Equal Footing.
Of course, even a half-wit knows that such an assertion is a load of horseshit.
In a way, it's similar to the ploy used by Creationists. They, too, enlist the quasi-intelligent to speak on behalf of their most idiotic agenda, as a way to appear "Respectable."
You already know the answers to your questions, so, I won't waste my time.
You Wingnuts have a tendency to oversimplify reality, and I can only assume it's either because you are Mentally Challenged, or because you are attempting to Rationalize.
In your case, I'd say it's a little of both.
For a person to accept your philosophy as truth, they must suspend reality. They must ignore what they know, what they see, hear, and feel, and you don't have to be a minority.
It has nothing to do with being "Condescending."
It's about paying attention, and being honest.
Hell, I guarantee that if we were face to face, within ten minutes I could get you to acknowledge something about your own life from which you've never recovered, something you continue to carry with you, even if it's been decades.
I know it for a fact. Maybe it's something your daddy did, or the time you were dumped by Mary Jane Rotten Crotch.
Yet, you expect others, who have experienced systemic, legalized hatred to, "Get Over It. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps."
Fuck You.
OK Fairlane, what would you have me or anybody else do? Lying down and whining doesnt seem to be working. Lying down and whining louder probably wont work either. I know its kind of harsh but at some point there is going to have to be some getting over it, dontcha think?
Do you think blacks just cant get over it? Do you think blacks will be wounded babies unable to compete in society forever? Come on now. Plenty of African americans have yanked on those bootstraps and guess what? Kind of a presto-chango moment happens.
Some people do indeed carry hurt forever. Some let it dominate their lives, some dont. My advice to those people would be to aim for the latter category. Yours would be to wallow, wallow, wallow. My advice would be to recognize the opportunity you have and seize it. Yours would be to wallow, wallow, wallow. I guess thats just a fundamental difference between us.
Sure did have traumatic life experiences. My dad died of a coronary in front of me when I was 10. Not a great thing. Still think of it, usually in the dark morning hours. Still managed to get good grades in school, stay out of trouble, get through college and make a success of my life. My wife and I lost a child a while back, preemie (6 months) didnt make it through the first day. Still never did hard drugs, cheated on my wife or hurt anyone. My wife took it harder, but shes never lost hope or lashed out in hate. She wont care what you say about her so feel free with the nasty names. Life throws shit at everyone, how you react to it is the measure of a person.
Its just so easy to put a "foxworthy" label or a "nazi" (ugh!). It gives you an exit without looking hard at what Im saying. Its the cowards' way out. You can make reality into a giant insurmountable peak that nobody will ever make it over..OR.. you can see the path up the side and get to walking. Its your choice.
You gave me a list of blacks who had made huge contributions to science and industry. What path do you think they chose? If you were around to counsel them they would have been poor negroes wallowing in their self pity. Thank God they saw the path around the mountain. Plenty of black doctors, lawyers and people of science working today. The path they chose?
Sure right wingnuts oversimplify reality and left wingnuts overdramatize it. Thats why they are called "wingnuts" your point?
I think I pay attention and I am honest. Ive seen MANY blacks who have succeeded. MANY blacks that perform scholastically and professionally equal or better than anyone. (thats the "paying attention part"). If they can do it, and they come from all economic and societal backgrounds, then logic dictates many, many more can (thats the "honest" part)
I dont think the black race needs maternalistic condescing whites saying failure is OK because it isnt your fault. It might make you feel good about yourself but it helps only you. Spooked is absolutely right STOP WITH THE EXCUSES.
Nobody is saying "forget" all that is being said is "dont let it stop you"
Nice chattin with your weak self, gotta get back to work, why? you ask...becauce IM WHITEY, and its MR. WHITEY to you.
A DAMN good discussion here. gotta admit I wasnt feelin whitey early on. But as the discussion went on I realized he wasnt saying anything different than many of us have been saying here. When a black man or woman gets up and speaks of personal responsibility and gettin on with it we all jump up and say AMEN. When Cosby did it we said it wasnt nothing new, many been saying it for a long time. Yet whitey says it and we start yellin racist and redneck.
We dont need no little white girls like fairlane tellin us failure is fine with her, dont give a shit whats fine with her or whitey. failure isnt fine with me and it aint fine for any self respecting person of color.
whitey is probably an asshole but he speaks the truth no matter how painful it is and at this point in our existence the truth is damn painful, dont matter whos sayin it.
Time to STFU fairlane. you embarass yourself and you insult African americans who have no trouble succeeding in this society. Im as fed up as spooked with the behavior of so many of our people and making excuses for them only legitimizes thier behavior.
-Moses-
Jody - I marvel at the way that you think. You and Field-Negro represent the most clear voices of LEFTIST THOUGH on any blog.
Just a few questions for you:
[quote]Democratic Socialists in another. MANDATORY proportional representation of different constituencies....[/quote]
Please DEFINE your concept of "constituencies"? What is the process for REGISTERING as an "official CONSTITUENCY"?
Secondly - do you ever pay attention to the parliaments in some parts of Asia, Africa and Europe in which there can be 10 or 30 "factions" that must be appeased before legislation is passed? They are not the most productive governments nor economies in the world. But hey - what do you care about productivity?
[quote]
noone can serve in government for more than 10 years. High tax rate,[/quote]
High Tax Rate ON WHOM?
Please tell me about your emigration policy for people who work hard and are tired of having the government STEAL their earnings?
You more than anyone else on this board needs to watch the movie: "Power Trip" http://www.amazon.com/Power-Trip-Piers-Lewis/dp/B000GG4Y00/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1217277559&sr=8-1
about how how the people in a former Soviet bloc country after years of being brainwashed with FREE GOVERNMENT STUFF experienced a state of shock when they started receiving electrical utility bills.
[quote]
taxes used to pay for national health care, education for all, including higher education,[/quote]
Jody - What of the people like we saw on the CNN special from last week? The one kid dropped out of school. The outreach group convinced him to come back. He came back ONE DAY, never to be seen again. Has someone violated his RIGHTS when he appears as an uneducated person 10 years in the future, absent the skills to function in a steady job.
[quote]
mass transportation, alternative energy.[/quote]
Does this include Nuclear power as an alternative?
Who will receive the contracts to build this transportation infrastructure and energy plants? Since these workers work DANGEROUS JOBS and thus they are paid the premium that you propose.....what happens when such a policy DOUBLES the construction price? Are you still game? (Or does your high salaries mandate for risky employees only apply to corporate employeers that you are aiming to soak?)
[quote] Mandate that CEOs cannot make more than 75 times the lowest paid worker.[/quote]
What if I have a PRIVATELY HELD COMPANY (not that this will be allowed in your Socialist Utopia)? If I have a CONTRACT with an employee that I will pay him a given amount of money for his services.....and the employee agrees to these terms without duress - am I EXPLOITING HIM?
What grounds do you have for capping the maximum compensation for an OWNER of a business? The EMPLOYEE can walk away from all LIABILITIES that a company has (even if he caused them). Ownership is held accountable. Greater RISK - greater REWARD.
You seem to want to eschew risk from labor and maximize their reward.
The collapse of your fantasy land is eminent.
[quote]
Jobs that are the hardest to perform are well compensated (think farm workers and sanitation workers and infrastructure construction workers)[/quote]
When YOU agree to pay triple the price for your chicken because the workers use razor sharp knives and thus are at risk - please get back to me.
Your theories toss out centuries of economic knowledge regarding the great SUPPLY of workers performing low skilled but risky jobs and how this in and of itself suppresses the wages.
[quote]
Commons cannot be privately owned (access to public spaces stay public)[/quote]
But can PRIVATE PROPERTY be CONFISCATED and made PUBLIC with ease if your thieving government mandates it?
[quote
30 hour work week, month of vacation...[/quote]
Jesus - please help this woman.
She has already bankrupted the companies 3 demands ago.
[quote] Value and support the arts and artists.[/quote]
Jody - assuming that Will Smith is an "artist" what is your view on the fact that last year he made over $100 million as an individual? Should he get the "CEO treatment" with regard to a salary cap? Think of all of those stunt men who assisted when those zombies where attacking him in the dark warehouse. THEY surely didn't get paid more than $300,000 for that same movie.
[quote] Make access to the arts affordable for all.[/quote]
Should an artist be able to sell his paintings for millions of dollars if the rarity of such a piece has it valued as such?
[quote] Strict separation between church and state... secular government.[/quote]
What about the antics of the secular government that attempt to supplant religious dogma among the people? Religion is prescriptive on human relationships, some aspects of economics and human behavior in general. Will your otherwise oppressive government allow people the ULTIMATE FREEDOM of choosing as a SOCIETAL SUBSET to worship religion as THEY SEE FIT without your government coming in to re-orientate them?
[quote] Mandatory public service for all 18 year olds.[/quote]
What if a rebellious youth resists because that land that he now stands on was STOLEN from other people and thus they want to do NOTHING to perpetuate the theft? What are the CONSEQUENCES for refusing NATIONAL SERVICE Jody?
[quote] Criminal system based on Restorative Justice Model.[/qoute]
Oh boy. What happens if the person refused to be RESTORED?
Will a person who has killed 5 people by slitting their throats - as guns will no doubt be banned - could they ever be RESTORED to a point where they can walk the streets again?
[quote]
Trade with other nations based on Fair Trade model.[/quote]
What happens when there is a resource that your nation NEEDS but the corresponding nation does not have any goods that it needs from your nation? How does your "fair trade" work then?
[quote]
And finally a military with EXPLICIT role that is only to defend borders, not economic interests.
Jesus please help this woman.
I figured that the GOVERNMENT would have all of the citizens as SLAVES in this nation within 30 years. It appears that a coalition of external forces knowing that all they need to conquer this land is to cut off your resources, wait a few years for everything to implode and then do a cake walk in because the army tanks that are solar powered and thus non-polluting just don't work in the middle of the night.
`It took me a while to get through this. The topic sure changed but I think a light fun thing turned into a serious and substantive discussion.
AMEN to spooked. We are twins seperated at birth. Whiteys rant at 4:01 was a thing of beauty. Replace white with black and you will get a standing ovation at any black church across the country.
I truly think we as a people are sick and tired of the same excuses for the same bullshit behavior. We are sick of burying our kids and locking up those who killed them. We are sick of being scared in our homes and our streets. We are sick of the poverty pimps and the white liberal wingnuts who enable and excuse those who prey on us. We are sick of raising our grandchildren. We are sick having our property stolen. We are sick of the same revs and roosters fussin with each other for face time on the news while we get deeper and deeper in the hole.
Im sure people like Fairlane mean well but expecting that blacks can do what whites do isnt "neo-racism" expecting less because of whatever reason is a racist position. I understand her feelings but Im a 56 yr old black female. Ive buried a son and visit two others in jail. I currently am raising two grandkids because their mothers cant or wont. Im tired honey. Im tired. I cant do it any more. You need to feel that. I dont have a screen name but Ill gladly give my e-mail to anyone who wants to talk, spooked especially.
Please, lets try to help ourselves out. Our/my grandkids deserve it.
Lawd, all these folks named anonymous. I can't help but wonder if anonymous isn't praising and agreeing with himself. It's hard to tell, because you can't tell one anonymous from the other. They all look alike. Granny is not being sarcastic here either, nor am I trying to be funny, or nice nasty, I'm SERIOUS! I have quite a few questions I'd like to ask all of the anonymous folks? The reason I said all, is because I can't tell non of you apart from the other, which is confusing. I do wish that some of you would use a screen name so that we could distinguish one from the other.
Whelp, any of you anonymous folks doing anything towards eliminating those problem black people, oops I meant helping to eliminate the problems. Are you starting or doing any motivational projects? Do you work with any troubled black youths giving them positive guidance, mentoring them, and being a positive role model for them? If you are business owners are you hiring or offering blacks jobs? Or if not a business owner, do you call up agencies that provide training or jobs recommending youths to them? Do you collect job, applications and pass them out to ones needing a job or tell them about jobs? Do you go to the prisons and counsel or write letters to any prisoners to get them to turn their life around? What about those young people who can't read, are you taking out the time and helping them learn to read? Or donating them hook on phonics or telling them about it? Motivating them want to learn and utilize the library? How about showing them how to do interviews, filling out job applications, how to do job research, how to dress successfully enough to get a position? Are you counseling them about the dangers of drugs and letting them know how drugs are poisoning their neighborhoods? Do you take the time out to listen to them or find out what is troubling them when they have a problem no matter how small you might think it is? Are you imparting any wisdom to young females about birth control, being independent, going to college, and waiting until someone says "I do" before trying to start a family, and teaching them the facts of life? Teaching them the dangers of AIDS and letting them know that it's real and how to take care of their bodies? Most of all do you speak encouraging words to them, and make them feel good about themselves?
Or are you talking down to them or talking to them with a condescending attitude? Are you treating them with the same respect that you show others? Or do you have the time or take the time out to do at least one or two of these thing? Or are you afraid to reach out to them?
Please, I'm serious, I'd like to know if any of you are doing this, not trying to debate about it, or go back and forth, it's just a straight yes or no answer, and it's up to you if you want to say what you are doing to help solve black problems.
I think your assumptions are probably right Granny...looks like an "anonymous" pattern to me too!
Me thinks our anon visitor(s) may be a tad schizo...:0P
Psst - Field-Negro - before I light into you - could you go to the formatting page and add the DATE to the time stamp on your posts? I got up to "10:01 pm" of some unknown date as a marker.
Field Negro:
Who wants to bet that "WHITEY, MR. WHITEY" is constructive feedback?
Here is a CLUE Field-Negro - you will NEVER see me post anything on this blog under an alias other than "Constructive Feedback". I have no need, nor the time to play such games. (I've got something for "Mr Whitey" below).
[quote]What about the house Negroes who wouldnever leave white A-merry-ca?"[/quote]
Field-Negro: After the PROGRESSIVE agenda of EXPANSION and CONFISCATION is completed....do you REALLY believe that there will be many Black folks EXITING the United States for, the Congo where they would have to set up THEIR OWN enhanced health care system, enhanced public school system and police force that is bound by LAWS?
The biggest threat to folks having the WILL TO LEAVE.....is YOUR POLICIES!!!
[quote]
We wouldn't' want to end up like the folks in Iraq. You see how Uncle Sam fucked them up, and look how far away they are. [/quote]
Jesus please help this boy with electric shock therapy or a lobotomy.
I have to admit though Field - If my main source of news was "CommonDreams.org", "The Democratic Underground", "The Root.com", "The Huffington Post", "Daily Kos" and "the Kieth Olbermann show" I could be lead to believe that the "American torture prisons" in Iraq were worse than anything that Saddam and his sons had operated. Poor thing.
{quote]Grannystandingfortruth
Anyway, if every black person in America just packed up and left this country and let them have it, who would be their next scapegoat?
[/quote]
The Great Marcus M. Garvey had a SELECT FEW Black folks PRE-pared to leave America. UNITA created a network of interrelated business that allowed Black folks to create economic prosperity by TRAINING WITHIN OUR OWN COMMUNITIES. With this behavior INCULCATED amongst the CULTURAL CONSCIOUSNESS of this sub-set of Black people - they were prepared to do as you say - EMIGRATE!!
There is LITTLE about the POPULAR Black Political Consciousness today that is building the foundations for such independence.
[quote]Christoper:
Jim and I live in New Your state, right in the heart of the Republic of Afro-Americans.
We get to stay on here, right?[/quote]
(Even though he hasn't messed with me for a while - I could not resist)
:lol: :lol: :lol:!!!!
I think the purpose of this exercise was to have your visits limited by the use of an entrance Visa - if Field-Negro has his way.
[quote]Jody
The last place on earth I would wanna live is "white bread america!" Ive been to places where its nothing but white faces and boy was it boring...[/quote]
Gee - if a White person said some overgeneralizing stuff like this - they would be called a .......
[quote]Demitrius Rex:
One of the biggest barriers to us, as Black men and women, coming together permanently is the fact that we have no country to call our own.
[/quote]
So the "brothers" in Zimbabwe or the Congo have WHAT barrier preventing them from coming together? I have spent TOO MANY YEARS of my life listening to ABSTRACT NEGROES speaking at the many COMMUNITY FORUMS that I have attended (especially being in a city that has several HBCUs present) where some 'Conscious brother' says that WE NEED OUR OWN LANGUAGE and that THE CONTROL OF THE LAND is the key to economic prosperity. Then I look at the city of Detroit and at West Philly and I realize that upon obtaining both some how they will figure that SOME NEW REQUIREMENT exists before PROSPERITY will set in under their reign - maybe exclusive control of the AIR WE BREATH IN.
Demitrius Rex:
[quote]We have no economy that we can solely take responsibility for, and thereby gain collective wealth from.[/quote]
Dude - certain PROGRESSIVE-FUNDAMENTALISTS are AVERSE to TAKING RESPONSIBILITY over an ECONOMY!!! Why do you figure this is going to happen on a VOLUNTARY basis. If history is any evidence - this CONTROL will likely take place WHEN the current national economy collapses and/or when the level of anarchy reaches the point where a select few choose to emigrate toward a different land and thus BE FORCED to take control.
[quote]
We have no sovereignity, meaning we cannot stand up an armed force in defense of our people.
[/quote]
Dude in America 2008 - the PROTECTION OF BLACK PEOPLE from a THREAT will be protecting us from BLACK THUGS who are KILLING, ROBBING, RAPING AND ASSAULTING US.
[quote]that removes the wall of protection from those who would seek to do us harm based solely on the color of our skin[/quote]
DUDE the only reason why these THUGS are not being called out for their KLAN-LIKE behavior is their common skin color.
[quote]
Mr Whitey:11:59am
IF that was ever a serious question put to white America, I believe most of us would jump on that in a New York minute.[/quote]
Mr. Whitey - If you look at the long history of this nation POOR WHITE FOLKS have caught hell from the MONIED AND POWERFUL Whites! The White folks working in the steel mills of Pittsburgh or the garment factories of New York about 100 years ago weren't exactly LIVING THE GOOD LIFE in their all White (ethnic) enclaves that had living conditions like that of modern day Guatemala in many cases.
There is NOTHING innately SUPERIOR about White folks in my book that keeps you all from suffering the same fate as any other HUMAN BEING if the SYSTEM is taken away from you and you are left as an individual human being EXPOSED to the elements of this cruel world.
Your need for GENETIC PERPETUATION forces you all to either "live together or GO EXTINCT TOGETHER as a genetic profile"!
The RACE of Man is nothing more than a set of MATING DECISIONS OVER TIME!!! Remember that.
[quote]
Mr Whitey
. Weve tried to work together for a long time and I dont think its gonna work anytime soon. Diversity has dumbed down our schools, our colleges and made our industry weaker. Our neighborhoods less safe and our culture more dependant. Whites want high standards, those who dont meet them are left by the wayside. [/quote]
KNEEGROW PLEASE!!!!
Please use the following web site: greatschools.net and scan some of the LILY WHITE, northern counties of Georgia and see how THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEMS ARE AS SCREWED UP as any urban system. HIGH STANDARDS, my Black azz!!
TED KENNEDY doesn't want to RAISE STANDARDS!!! What is he secretly a Black Sicilian?
[quote]Mr Whitey
Blacks, at least most on this blog feel standards should be lower for the "less fortunate"[/quote]
You got me on that one. I AGREE WITH YOU regarding THIS BLOG. I agree with you that the INFECTION RATE of Black people on this particular sentiment is too high.
The same of it all is when someone who is seen as LESS FORTUNATE is actually a HIGH ACHIEVING PERSON trapped inside of a set of IDEOLOGICAL constraints that doesn't allow him to fully develop via trial and tribulation.
[quote]
Jody:
Remember, you said blacks have dumbed it down, so by your logic, no more of any of this for you, and oh this is just a partial list:
[/quote]
Jody - this list is not going to convince Mr. Whitey.
What you should do is to REMIND MR. WHITEY that all of this had been done in the CONTEXT OF a system of brutality that PERVERTED GOD'S CREATION of all men as equal for the sake of one particular group's goal of EXPLOITATION, RAPE and MORE SAVAGERY shown toward another human being than he could ever claim them to be savage.
Ask him how many Jews or Germans produced inventions WHILE BEING DETAINED IN A PRISON CAMP during WWII?
If his race is indeed GOOD TO GO ON THEIR OWN......why did the need to import labor to make them WHOLE and PROSPEROUS?
[quote]
White Guy:
I doubt a long Google search is necessary to contrast previously all white schools 10 yrs ago to 50/50 mix today. Or even all-white suburban schools with inner city all black schools. Dont embarass yourself there sweets.[/quote]
Again dude - take a peek at GreatSchools.net and I assure you that you will have to RETRACT that statement as you scan the country where rural White folks live.
Walter County GA: 91% White.
School system rating 5 out of 10 - Far below par
www.greatschools.net
Constructive Feedback:
Did you ever hear about, well, I'm sure you probably have heard of "Black Wall Street" before that was located in Tulsa, Oklahoma? Now, that was a very prosperous black community, but they didn't have an armed forces to protect them either, and I've often wondered how destiny would have played out, if they would have had one. BTW, I listened to some of Marcus Garvey's speeches and read a little about him.
I enjoy reading our history, and I'm proud of my heritage. But my favorite will always be Maria W. Steward, and I've always felt that she hasn't received the recognition she deserved as of yet. She is scarcely known and never talked about in schools.
BTW: I refuse to call Whitey, Mr., unless, he is gonna call MRS. Granny.
Well Field, I guess youve seen bruce wayne and batman in the same room together. The constructive feedback controversy is dead?
I really should get a screen name granny, didnt think Id be posting this much to be honest. I kind of like it. I hope MR WHITEY isnt taken. A superb series of questions, Ill take a shot. Now remember, I live in a mostly white city in a mostly white state so the "black" part doesnt apply. However I am part if a community and an integral part of it. I will share with you what I do to effect my little corner of civilization.
--""any of you anonymous folks doing anything towards eliminating those problem black people, oops I meant helping to eliminate the problems.""--
Absolutely Granny, glad you asked. I happen to be very active in my church (not really into the spiritual stuff, more the family and community stuff.) Work with young men ages 12-16 or 17 at least twice a week. In a teaching setting on Sunday and a community setting wednesdays. Have been a scoutmaster and work closely with my churches scout troop.
""Are you starting or doing any motivational projects?""
A peach of a question granny; why yes I am. I make it a point of every boy standing up at sunday meeting (we meet as a small group, 14-17 boys in a room) and giving an update of how they are doing in school. What they are doing well in and what they are struggling with. The math whizzes are paired up with the non-whizzes and they work together to help each other during the week. Not only do I know the status of each kid, but so do their peers. No motivation like not being embarassed in front of your friends. Proud to say no kid is below a 3.0 and two of my kids will be vying for this years valedictorian. We have a group that helps and is invested in each other.
--""Do you work with any troubled black youths giving them positive guidance, mentoring them, and being a positive role model for them?""--
Granny, that question is a diamond! While you must take out the word "black" you must also remove "troubled". You see, I really dont have any troubled kids in my group (as you would define "troubled"). My definition of troubled means a kid got a D on a science test, or was caught trying a cigarette. I feel that simply being the man my wife demands me to be is the best role model I can be. I act the way I demand the boys to act. You would be amazed how kids will get behind a strong good man. Thanks again for asking.
--""If you are business owners are you hiring or offering blacks jobs?""--
A fair question. I offer jobs to those who are the most qualified and who I think will fit the team concept I employ. I dont hire by race and I think you are wrong to do that. Im in business for profit and stability, not giving chances to random youth.
--"" Or if not a business owner, do you call up agencies that provide training or jobs recommending youths to them?""--
WOW granny, you should be in the question-making business. The answer is NO. That is the responsibility of the individual. If a kid wants training, I will certainly go to bat for them but I will not seek them out. I have had many apprentices in my shop and employ a "gopher"
--"" Do you collect job, applications and pass them out to ones needing a job or tell them about jobs?""--
That question gave me goose bumps granny. I do better than that. I get my group on a track for a career. The kids who want to be doctors? I get a couple of doctors in my church to counsel them on what is needed and expected. Since Im not a doctor I get a doctor to help them. Same with any profession the kid has curiosity about. Just as I tap the kids as resources, I get the adults of the church involved with the kids in their ward. Got two accepted to Med school this year, three to law school and one little bastard won a full ride to Stanfords school of political science. Look for him in Washington sooner than you think.
--""Do you go to the prisons and counsel or write letters to any prisoners to get them to turn their life around?""--
No granny I dont. Prison is full of counselors and the best way to turn around is sitting in a cell, reflecting on your actions and making the decision in your heart. Doubt I can tell them anything they dont already realize.
__"" What about those young people who can't read, are you taking out the time and helping them learn to read? Or donating them hook on phonics or telling them about it?""--
A super question, but Ive already answered. See above
--"" How about showing them how to do interviews, filling out job applications, how to do job research, how to dress successfully enough to get a position?""--
Wonderful, just wonderful granny. Yes, we do cover stuff like that. I think preperation and self-confidence are the main ingredients there. If you have those, the rest is pretty easy.
--""Are you counseling them about the dangers of drugs and letting them know how drugs are poisoning their neighborhoods?""--
Well granny, now youre talking MY language. YOU BET I AM. Every week. Also about the dangers of unprotected, and protected sex. Drugs and alcohol are not permitted in my religion (Im a Mormon). We take it VERY seriously indeed. No soft approach there, no siree. Zero tolerance. I got wind one of the boys got drunk one weekend. Found it out at 11 at night. Went straight over to the kids house, his father and I yanked him out of bed and both had a "heart to heart". The kid is in Uof Arizona now pulling a 3.7 in engineering.
--"" Do you take the time out to listen to them or find out what is troubling them when they have a problem no matter how small you might think it is?""--
Good heavens granny, a home run inquiry to be sure. Yes I sure do. I make it a point to corner every kid individually each week to give him a chance to tell me anything they didnt want to say in front of everyone. If something is up I meet with the kids and his parents and come up with a plan utilizing any resource in the church. Works too. Believe me, adults must crings when they see my name on their caller ID. But Ive never been turned down in six years of doing this.
--"" Are you imparting any wisdom to young females about birth control, being independent, going to college, and waiting until someone says "I do" before trying to start a family, and teaching them the facts of life? Teaching them the dangers of AIDS and letting them know that it's real and how to take care of their bodies? ""--
OOOHHH, a question that stings. Im afraid not. I work with the young men exclusively. My heavy hand wouldnt be right for young women. Crazy because I have two daughters. Theyre young now, but when the time comes.....Im sure my wife will handle it.
--""Most of all do you speak encouraging words to them, and make them feel good about themselves?""--
My dear granny, you saved the best for last. YES, YES, YES. Humble self confidence born of discipline and hard work is the key for success in the workplace and at home. (Im still working on the humble part). A woman wants a husband that is strong, caring, confident and humble. A man who gives of himself through his family and community. A woman wants a man who others trust and go to when they need help. Kids look up to and emulate that. Im one of many in my neighborhood and community. Im the rule and not the exception.
It is true my kids and the kids I work with have that advantage over many others. I wont apologize for that. I expect it from other men in my community. Our kids will acheive. Our kids will be those men because nothing less will be accepted.
You need to be able to say that granny. You need to damnwell expect your men to create that enviornment. Accept nothing less, NOTHING LESS! Its not easy and the government wont take you there, I wont take you there. Your men need to take you there granny.
Put a boot up ther asses, I know youve got it in you.
A GREAT Q&A, Excellent Q's. I hope the A's helped.
And with that, MR WHITEY bids you adeiu. Good night MRS. Granny
Damn, I AIN"T the devil (CH) from above, but it seemed to turn into his forum, why argue with the devil (CH) he states he lives in a mostly white city and comes on here to argue..Wow! the nerve...typical... " I live in a mostly white town but I'm on here to tell ya niggas how to live" and your responses are to paint our community 99% negatively.. I swear we don't need the white man to put us down we got each other...damn, black people you are a let down.. first to put each other down .. Devil did succeed.. it won't let me comment unless I check anon
Mr. Whitey:
As you see I'm true to my word. My daddy always taught me that your word is your bond, if your word is no good, you no good either, So as you can see, I kept my word by addressing you as Mr. Whitey, since you were gracious enough to address me as Mrs. Granny.
Okay, that's all good what you do in the white community, even though I was referring to folks helping eliminating the problems in the black community on this one. Nevertheless, I that your a smart man, you picked up on where I was coming from in my past posts, and we seem to be reaching some type of understanding in a few areas.
Although, you sort of confused me with this statement: "You need to be able to say that granny. You need to damnwell expect your men to create that enviornment. Accept nothing less, NOTHING LESS! Its not easy and the government wont take you there, I wont take you there. Your men need to take you there granny."
Are you speaking of the black men as a whole and the black community? Because the men in my family are positive role models, and my household is not plague with those type of problems. And well, the environment around me might be a little out of wrack at times, but I don't live outside, I live inside. But, whelp, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick." I'm sure you understand that some people's mind are bad, and their thought patterns are out of order. Their minds need healing. I live here and refuse to move, because my work is right here in this neighborhood.
Lord knows I am compassionate about the problems going on in our community. The majority of the questions I asked are some of the things I do whenever the opportunity arises.
Since you mentioned it, I have nothing against Mormons, or other religious denominations. I'm a believer, myself. My son attended BYU for one semester before he transferred back to a University more closer to home. Yup, and I got to read the Mormon's bible before , which sort of gives me a clue to why you have certain opinions of black people, whose shoes you've never walked in. I'll leave that alone though.
For those of you who don't know how to get a screen name, go to google, and sign up for an account, it's free, and you can get a screen name that way. If you don't want to do that, then sign a screen name at the bottom of your messages that post.
moses: "whitey is probably an asshole but he speaks the truth no matter how painful it is and at this point in our existence the truth is damn painful, dont matter whos sayin it".
moses, neither you nor whitey have the whole truth. You're the blind men examining an elephant--you know the story: the man that examined its trunk, said that it was like a snake; the one that touched its midsection, said it was like a wall, and so on.
What's needed here is a little humility.
No one, and I mean no one has the whole picture. And since you're just as blind as the rest of us, don't be so dismissive of those that post here.
You said:
Time to STFU fairlane. you embarass yourself and you insult African Americans who have no trouble succeeding in this society.
moses, I believe that you mean well. One Anon had this to say about "succeeding in this society:"
"I understand her feelings but Im a 56 yr old black female. Ive buried a son and visit two others in jail. I currently am raising two grandkids because their mothers cant or wont...."
I respect anyone's thoughts here that are not condescending, feeding their own ego, or otherwise on some sadistic power trip at my expense, or the expense of blacks.
Black folk problems have been created by, and extend from, white folk problems.
For me, that's an indisputable, and resonable conclusion, although, for their own purposes, many that post here would have us believe otherwise.
And that's intellectually dishonest, and disingenuous.
Now, as long as white folks, who represent this country's majority, got problems, many of us (the minority) will continue to have problems.
We can't wish them away to the cornfield, but we all can do our part to minimize the problems.
Martin Luther King's dream was as much for whites as it was for blacks, as he understood--he that has the power to conjure up a nightmare, can also dream it away.
Here's my take: until whites can fully, and completely accept it's minority citizens-- native American, and blacks--as equals, deserving of membership in the greater family that we call America, with open arms, and affection (yeah, affection), and with more than lip-serve, but a sincere change of heart, we will always have a certain segment of the black race, and the Indian race that will underachieve, and shit on the so-called American Dream.
[quote]Did you ever hear about, well, I'm sure you probably have heard of "Black Wall Street" before that was located in Tulsa, Oklahoma? Now, that was a very prosperous black community, but they didn't have an armed forces to protect them either[/quote]
Granny:
Indeed!
Tulsa Oklahoma and other areas (Auburn Ave in Atlanta, Harlem in NYC, The Hill District in Pittsburgh, various parts of Chicago, Detroit and other places) were thriving financial centers at one time.
At a time when our options were severed - we built up enterprises that provided the goods and services that our people required.
Today there is a large population of Black owned businesses that are providing services to our community.
Sadly - where as the riot in Tulsa was a direct blow to the back of the head which in one fell swoop put all of the Black businesses out of business..........in 2008 the THUG KNEEGROW threatens to do the very same thing - one knife wound to the body at a time.
Consider the attack and killing upon THIS Black business owner by Thugs. If we aggregate their antics - on a yearly basis they do about "5 Tulsa's" worth of damange.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9pQWdwkLEE
Granny:
You forgot to ask "Mr Whitey" the PRIMARY question that he and other CHRISTIANS ( I assume that Mormons believe themselves to be 'Christians') must face:
MR WHITEY - Since these Black people that you speak of are Childen of Jesus Christ and you are expected to witness to them - do you believe that your evasive actions in seeking to seperate from 'these people' are in line with the DISCIPLESHIP that your God has commanded you to perform?
Are you a FISHER OF MEN, Mr. Whitey?
Or only a "fisher of certain TYPES
OF FISH"?
Have you brought any previously unsaved people into further knowledge OF CHRIST so that they MIGHT BE SAVED?
Isn't THIS more specifically definded as your churh's principles rather than "assisting in correcting a 'D' on a science quiz?
Morning all, glad the discussion is still rolling.
To anon 4:04. Its true I live in a mostly white community, however I dont think the two societies are radically different. People want to live in safety, want the best for their kids, want to be able to create close families. The things that work in my community (see my last post) will no doubt work in yours. BTW; love the "devil" stuff, doesnt make you look like an idiot radical at all....as far as you know.
Now Mrs. Granny; I was of course referring to the depressed neighborhoods that are the main topic of discussion. There are many black communities that are exactly like my own, men and women with dark skin doing exactly the same things that my neighbors and myself do. I have nothing to say about them except why are they not on here saying what I am saying (or they might very well be). The recipies for peace and safety are the same in Bed-sty as they are in Boise. Values, families, pride, honesty, hard work, etc... Adults set the scene and children follow. The adults in those communities need the grannys' sensible yet stylish boot placed in their backsides. The grannys of these places can show the adults and the adults will show the children. Not really complex, Im sure Im telling Mrs. Granny nothing she doesnt already know. Many black kids have neither parents or others to show them the way. It is the fault of the adults, they need correcting...at least if that were the patho;ogy in my community, thats the conclusion I would reach.
Im a rather simple straightforward guy. The more layers to put on a problem, the more obscure and fuzzy it becomes. Dont look back 250 yrs to explain a problem, deal in the here and now to solve it.
Now, Mr feedback, you needed to pay close attention to my post. I said that Im not really into the spiritual part of my church, more into the family and community aspect of it. I dont get caught up in the dudes who pound the black books at the pulpit. You see, and listen closely, the strength and majesty of my faith doesnt lie in the writing on the pages of holy books. It lies in the hearts and minds of the people sitting in the pews on sunday. It lies in the groups of men and women banding together to help those who need help. It lies in the faces of the kids who honor their parents and communities by going out in the world and being examples of what good decent respectful kids should be. It lies in the responsibiolity to community and the commintment to family that is taught and practiced. It lies in the examples good adults show and the pride gained from showing. If Mrs. Grannys relative went to BYU she knows exactly of what I speak.If you start parsing scripture in a "gotcha" attempt, you will lose me VERY quickly. You are wrong about the principles of my church. There is NOTHING more important that helping a child,whether its a "D" in math or an addiction to substance. We place emphasis on family above all. Please dont speak as if you know what my religion is all about.
Am I a fisher of men CF? Im not sure what abstract meaning you place on that. I help those fish in my pond. My plate is full with them. There is an old saying;
"the problems of the world form a giant mountain, all I have is a hammer. Try to take down the mountain and the hammer will break. Choose a little boulder, make your mark and move on"
All I got is a hammer CF, Im using it pretty well now, dont put the troubles of the world on my shoulders. I make my little area the best I can, thats all I can. My responsibility lies there. Its the MRS. Grannys and Spooked of your community that will swing their hammers. All I can hope is that they let them fly, and quickly.
Hope that made my position clearer. Love for all, and you know from where it comes...WHITEY, MR. WHITEY.
I can't let him have the last word. Mormons believed until 1986 that Blacks were cursed, why are you on this site? It's like me giving advice to Iraqis and I never been in their shoes. Devil= causing mischief just for amusement, did not believe in Adam a black man; out to prove Adam was not worthy. My disappointment for my fellow commentors agreeing with the Devil and painting our community as 99% negative. I live in Vegas, come live around poor whites, Samoans, Mexicans and Filipinos and see that
ALL POOR PEOPLE ARE ALIKE WITH SIMILAR WOES. pleas answer my question why are you on this black site? I believe just to cause trouble not seek understanding of our feelings. How dare you come on here and dismiss our feeling , our insights to our community when you live in a majority white city,where do you get off commenting on anything from tv is that wher you learned of black people? I was just watching A Time to Kill, I love the line from Samuel Jackson's character " the problem is you don't see me as a person, you see me as a black person"
Contructive Feedback:
After slavery ended, many of my people became landowners in Ark, Tex, and LA. Nobody gave them forty acres and mule either, they paid for their land with their hard-earned money. One of my uncles was hung for his land. You see, a lot of my people's land happens to have some valuable resources on it. In a rural town in LA where some of my ancestors owned land, there was oil. My uncle's land had oil on it, and some white folks are rich today because of his land, taken by violent force, that they stole from my uncle. They ran his brother off, and he didn't go back there, until years later.
Whenever, I go back for family reunions, I pass by the oil rigs or whatever you call them standing on my uncle's land today. I guarantee you that didn't make the newspapers back then, either. Of course, you know white on black crime was upheld back then.
The rest of my family who owned land was more fortunate and able to hold on to their land, and that land is still in the family to this day. On another one of our family's land there is oil, but when the oil people came out and had to do the heirship thing in order to pay us, they deserted their desire for our land, because after counting up all the heirs it was too many of us. "Happy is he who has quiver full."
But it's still seems to be a neverending fight, because the government likes to steal black folks land in the south by the way of government domain and other methods. So far, they haven't been successful in stealing ours.
BTW, bean twn, spelled it out what Mormons believed.
bean:
"ALL POOR PEOPLE ARE ALIKE WITH SIMILAR WOES."
Amen! I'm glad to hear that someone else on here gets it.
4:47 Your arguement about this system being just a filter for the class system is right on point and whites and blacks fall into into the trap. King didn't get killed for Civil Rights, he got killed it is said because he was going to blow the roof off the division and criticize the Vietnma war. He and Malcolm both saw the truth before they died.
This debate has been funny and interesting because we get first hand reaction of what a white person would say as we were packing our bags to leave. I have read this blog off and on but never have I seen a troll more angry. It is like the abusive guy that tells you not to leave "because no one will love you like I do."
[quote]I said that Im not really into the spiritual part of my church, more into the family and community aspect of it. I dont get caught up in the dudes who pound the black books at the pulpit. You see, and listen closely, the strength and majesty of my faith doesnt lie in the writing on the pages of holy books. It lies in the hearts and minds of the people sitting in the pews on sunday.[/quote]
This makes no sense Mr Whitey.
You could open up a H4 Club and perform the same duties. They call your place a CHURCH for a specific reason.
How are you any different from the "money changers" who set up vending stands in the church? They could argue that they were providing a service for the congregants.
I can't understand how you can deemphasize the key purpose of the CHURCH - Salvation Of Man and Winning Souls For Christ.
The "Fisher Of Men" comment had to do with the concept that Mormons know all too well - going out into the world and spreading the word of Christ to those who don't know his glory.
No one said anything about requiring that the church to be centered around the "black book" that preachers may pound. You do need the BOOK to inform those who call themselves CHRISTIANS about the character and integrity of their religion. The purpose of "religion" is to provide a framework by which man can worship their particular God. So I can agree that we need not get caught up in the dogma of religion but CLEARLY there is a need for the SPIRITUAL aspects of it, lest you have nothing more than what an after school program could easily provide for you.
One people...one world!
Don't give me that colorist, oligarchic, devisive stuff.
Hawaii and the U.S. Territories like the Virgin Islands, Im a black man in hawaiia,you dont want none of this,they are racist against everyone not born here.Its cool to see whites treated like blacks in america,they hate the hell out of some white boys here.they hate on the blacks as well.
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