Tuesday, July 29, 2008

Toby, I think you have a hit on your hands.


A-merry-cans are fed up with crime folks, and pretty soon criminal defense lawyers like moi are going to go out of business. Why? Because A-merry-cans are starting to take the law into their own hands, that's why. Just like back in the day when the good old boys dispensed justice from the nearest tree (mostly on those Negroes for supposedly looking at their women), we have come full circle to a time when the sons and grand sons of those good ole boys are doing the dirty deeds, and making hit records about it.


In case you missed it, or didn't bother to check the link, that was red state heart throb, and the redneck rocker, Toby Keith, singing about lynching folks; and on "Comedy Central" no less. Seems he misses those "strange fruits" that used to hang from those Southern trees.



So when I see stories like the one about Ronnie White , who was murdered in his cell before going to trial. Or the one about Baron Pikes ,who was tasered to death while handcuffed in police custody, there is no way you can tell me that it's safe to be in the hands of the law anymore. ---And if you don't think that police shootings are up for a reason think again. I talk to some of these knuckle heads on a regular basis, and don't for a minute think that they aren't thinking the same thing.--- Yes sir, law enforcement has taken on a whole new meaning these days. And let's make no mistake folks, I am all for enforcing the law to the fullest; if the person accused of breaking it goes through the proper legal process. This is why we are a nation of laws right? We are a nation of laws aren't we?..... Oh, no, I take that back. We can't be. Not when the folks in the executive branch of our government are breaking laws left and right, and endorsing shit like torture. If the president and his staff is doing it, why shouldn't some small town cop, or a bunch of red necks, full of "Jack", and pissed off because Dale Jr. just lost the latest 500? And if they decide to take out the local uppity Negro; tough luck Negro, watch your mouth next time. Here in A-merry-ca we are fed up with crime and uppity Negroes. Ask Obama to save you.


"Grandpappy told my pappy back in my day, son A man had to answer for the wicked that he'd done Take all the rope in Texas Find a tall oak tree, round up all of them bad boys Hang them high in the street For all the people to see..."



Okay Toby, I hear ya. I bet your "Grandpappy" would be proud of A-merry-ca today.






























106 comments:

szechuanpork said...

That's awful. Somehow I don't think it will turn out the way Toby thinks it will.

"Yes sir, law enforcement has taken on a whole new meaning these days." There's more accountability for police action these days. The camera mount on the cruiser, media scrutiny, the police unions encourage internal affairs officer to be people of color, etc... It will never be perfect, but I think it's going in the right direction.

SickupandFed said...

Fuck Toby and his mama!

Anonymous said...

projection much?

in your world view: criminals and bad guys = blacks.

who is really the racist.

internalized racism for the field negro.

incite. empty suit obama aint got nothing else. incite. incite. incite. incite. empty suit obama aint got nothing else.

Nihuru said...

Wow, I don't agree with szechuanpork at all. I think it has already went the way that Toby KNEW it would. There is no more accountability for police actions nor is there any more equality in the good ole INjustice system.

I found it interesting, and maybe it's just my over analytical mind, that a Token black was used to state that there was no "apparent foul play" and that there were another group of tokens standing behind, as if in support, of the white man who was holding the news conference. This was a very strategic move on the part of the department. I'm sure they thought that out very well and the sad thing about it is that the tokens probably didn't even know that they were being used. I can just imagine the back room conversation prior to the press meeting. Strategically placing those tokens is an ill attempt at keeping the black community from turnin that motha out. Do they really think that all black folks are that uneducated that they don't see this move for what it is? The system never ceases to amaze me and I can bet that when the autopsy is complete they will say he had some undetected freakin heart condition. YEAH RIGHT!

Thanks Field, for getting my blood boiling again and giving me an outlet to express myself. Much love,

Kellybelle said...

Oh anon.

For reasons I can't begin to comprehend, I like Toby Keith. I saw him on Colbert, and I missed the lynching reference in his song. When I clicked on the link to Huff Post you provided, I didn't think the lyrics were all that bad, and then I kept scrolling and saw the pictures of lynchings.

I guess if Toby loves this country as much as he says he does, he should have a little more faith in the legal system and stop romanticizing southern vigilante "justice."

I still like him in that Ford truck commercial.

Anonymous said...

Kellybelle i take it you will be supporting his movie next week when it opens up.

Deacon Blue said...

Anon,

Try this link on for size:

http://www.umass.edu/complit/aclanet/ACLAText/USLynch.html

Lynching was almost exclusively practiced against BLACKS.

Hence, to romanticize lynching is to romanticize something that was used mostly to terrorize black people.

Field is not internalizing racial self-hate. He is calling Toby on lifting up a heinous practice that is drenched in racism.

Deacon Blue said...

Ah, the html got cut off the link I posted above.

Just a note in case someone tries to reach it and doesn't notice the missing piece.

Also, not sure if Anon 10:42 and Anon 10:58 are the same person...I was responding, of course, to Anon 10:42

Kellybelle said...

Anon 10:58: I'ma get it on bootleg.

BigJB in Philly said...

Didn't Nelly do a song with this mf'er?

Nihuru said...

Ok Field,

I'm boiling again...just finished reading the article on the Taser incident. I personally think that before an Officer is allowed to use his Taser gun, he should have to be Tased himself so that he has an clear understanding of just how many jolts of electricity is necessary to bring someone under control. Officers in Columbus Ohio have to be sprayed with mace during their training so Tasers should be no different.

Secondly, if the Officer's partner couldn't assist his co-worker, and essentially was in a "no contact" post, why in the hell was he not assigned to desk duty?

I like the way that they keep emphasizing the 100 pound weight difference. AND?

And then there is the emphasis on the tasing and "several hours later" he died as if there is not correlation between the two incidents.

I wont even comment on the suspect being in the cruiser when he was hit the 7th time. I most certainly will not comment, because it speaks for itself, on the fact that the entire department has used the Tasers a total of 14 times and that of those 14 times, 10 of the incidents involved this same Officer. Does anybody besides me see a problem with this? There sounds like some serious liability issues. Should the department have known that Nugent was a time bomb with a Taser? Things that make you say Humph!

Looks like corruption is all around Nugent.

A truly sad aspect, beside his death, is that Pike was being arrested for Cocaine use...and probably wouldn't have done much time since it wasn't crack. Then again, we aren't talking about a white man using cocaine...so maybe he would have gotten hammered by the INjustice System.

Thanks again, Field

Gregory Williams said...

There are folks here in cinci-sippi that have felt for years that some, if not most of our "unsolved" murders here have been committed by vigilanties, racists, or police.

Got nothing to prove it but I'm just sayin'.

szechuanpork said...

niguru, that ex-officer was fired and may be executed for what he did. I think that is accountability that hasn't always existed. The no knock raids are a nasty trend and that's not anecdotal. The supreme's ok'd it too.

Kat said...

Ahhh, yes... the call for a return to vigilante justice; it's so nice to know how much more "civilized" we are to folks in third world countries. Oh wait...

soyinkafan said...

Words fail.

http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/

This Toby idiot needs a history lesson.

R.J. said...

Fuck...I'll admit to owning a couple of Toby Keith CDs but none of his previous songs had loaded lyrics like this. Here in California some of the Minutemen types, usually those old enough to be in the AARP crowd, talk about bringing it back for Latinos.

Is this racial? Well, the HuffPo article showed me the first image of a "white" person hung from a tall oak tree.

BLACKinUSA said...

Field. You gleen the best shit from places no one would imagine. See this type of bull shit is way beyond institutionalized. Racism is in their fucking genes. How can you teach history to a genetically modified bigot.

Nihuru said...

Szech...He should have been fired and it should not have taken 10 tasing's for someone to see that he had "issues" with power and control.

I don't think that he is going to lose his life. Do you know why? Let me tell you. He won't lose his life because he is a white man that took a black man's life and we all know that the value of the black man's life is not as great as that of a white man's. Now, on the other hand, had it been a black Officer killing a white man, I would almost assure you that he would have gotten the death penalty without much deliberation.

Kat said...

R.J said:
Is this racial? Well, the HuffPo article showed me the first image of a "white" person hung from a tall oak tree.
*********

Technically, Leo Frank is Jewish who was wrongly convicted, dragged from his jail cell by mobs (vigilante justice in action) screaming "Hang the Jew". That spectacle scared the crap out of the Jewish population in the South.

szechuanpork said...

nihuru, Typically small towns send new police recruits to a state central training facility. They weed out out the bad ones as best they can. I've been through many behavior based interviews lately and I really doubt their effectiveness. So what is your alternative to that? There are bad employees in every venue.

Nihuru said...

Szech, I agree that behavior based interviews and personality assessments are a joke. A sociopath can pass those with flying colors. I don't know that there is an alternative but the solution is when a problem presents itself, it is dealt with swiftly and not swept under the rug. This only solidifies the act and makes the perpetrator think that he is untouchable. We all know that most Officers feel that they are above the law. I'm not criticizing all Police Officers...I have an ex husband who is an officer and an asshole and believes he is above the law and I have a very dear friend who is a Detective with the same department who is so grounded you would never know his occupation. There is good and bad, as you say, in every venue but they all must be held accountable. Rules and laws need to be fair and consistent for change.

Patriotic Pete said...

FREEDOM IS NOT FREE IF YOU HATE THE TROOPS AND COMMANDER IN PRESIDENT YOU HATE FREEDOM AND ARE CASTRO FANS.

R.J. said...

Fascism is not patriotic.

jaw of life said...

I was talking to a cop out here in LA and basically said the show or force has to do with politics. After Rodney King and the outcry from the community the LAPD basically decided that the public forgets about shootings much easier than they do beatings... you beat a man and the outcry is much louder than if you shoot him.

nyc/caribbean ragazza said...

toby keith?! these lyrics? WTF?

I remember reading about Leo Frank and saw a movie about him (starring Peter Gallagher). Frank was lynched because he was a rich, Jewish man from the north. If he was a white guy from the next town over he wouldn't have been lynched.

I doubt (unless he is an idiot) that Toby doesn't know the horrific history of lynching and who it was used against.

Yes it will be a hit.

brohammas said...

Explain to me how those so sick of watching precious laws be violated are endorsing breaking those same laws in enforcement???
If you really are sick of those laws being broken why not become a cop, or better yet a lawyer?

But then why would they take on such lowly roles when they have already apoointed themselves judge?

Jody said...

Maybe these boys were listening to Toby singin and took his words to heart.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080725/ap_on_re_us/immigrant_killing_students

field negro said...

"FREEDOM IS NOT FREE IF YOU HATE THE TROOPS AND COMMANDER IN PRESIDENT YOU HATE FREEDOM AND ARE CASTRO FANS."


Well actually.....yes, I hate the f*****g president.

r.j. the other posters are right, Mr. Frank was Jewish, the good ole boyz do not consider Northern Jews whites.

Christopher said...

I don't give two cents about Country music. But I feel the same about Rap music too.

Neither genre grabs my attention or appeals to me.

Country music’s simplistic themes of a rural, farm lifestyle and nostalgia, coupled with the hyper jingoism of mom, apple pie and the American flag, make me crawl. In that world, everyone is white but everyone is also straight. Gays need not apply.

I am aware of Country music because it is the dominate popular music and you really can't escape it but that doesn't mean I seek it out or play on the car radio or at home. When I am driving and the traffic is bad and I feel stressed, I listen to the jazz station, 90.1, and it soothes my nerves and feeds my soul.

There are Country music artists that I think are brilliant songwriters. Dolly Parton is truly extraordinary, as is Willie Nelson. But Tobey Keith is neither brilliant or extraordinary. I know he wrote and sang a song that said, "We'll put a bullet in your ass, it's the American way," after 9/11 and I guess much of White America cheered. Whatever.

Christopher said...

Well actually.....yes, I hate the f*****g president.

I hate George Bush, too. Dick Cheney as well.

In fact, I'll go a step further and say, I refuse to acknowledge the Motherfucker from Midland as my president. I voted for Al Gore in 2000 and he had the election stolen from him by a corrupt cabal of banana Republicans wearing black robes on the U.S Supreme Court.

As far as I'm concerned, Bush may live in the White House but he in no way presents me or my interests and in less than 200 days, he will be gone!

Hallelujah!

Christopher said...

Cops are douchebags.

Police in Ozark, Missouri repeatedly tased a critically injured sixteen year old boy after he "refused to comply with the officers".

The cops were called to investigate reports of a boy walking along a busy overpass, but when they got there they found young Mace Hutchinson had fallen 30 ft to the ground below, breaking his back and and foot in the process.

When he did not co-operate with the cops they pulled out their stun guns and fired them into his body, shocking him up to nineteen times with 50,000 volts.

According to the boy’s father, the actions of the police caused an elevated white blood cell count leading Mace to develop a fever that delayed vital surgery by two days.

The teenager couldn't "comply" because his fucking back was broken and he couldn't move.

Swiff said...

ehhhh....the article and the lyrics make it sound MUCH worse than how it actually comes off in the video.

I mean first off, its a duet with Willie Nelson. Willie's got a good track record on race.

2nd off, the video is obviously aiming for some big city crime thriller Law & Order type shit, judging by the Wire-style lighting and Hip-Hop (!!!) background music in the beginning. When I see detective work and police stings, I don't think of extra-judicial lynch mobs.

3rd, the part dude mentioned with the black guy at 3:00 clearly shows him as a random homeless dude who's being asked if he saw anything. I didn't see ANYTHING that suggested to me "these are the guys we wanna hang". Said black man wasn't scary or "gangsta" looking. (looked like will.i.am, imho)

4th, the evil knife wielding villian was pearly white.

Finally, when I was in the super-disturbing lynching wing of the Black History Wax Museum in Baltimore, I saw a full tally of reported lynchings broken down by state and race. One of the states (MIGHT have been New Mexico) actually had something like 90+ lynchings of whites and none for blacks. No seriously, I couldn't believe the shit either. Did a double take, rubbed my eyes, looked again real close an all that. So yeah.......if you weren't black, (or Jewish...or Catholic...or Asian...or Irish...or a "miscegenist", etc) and you still managed to get lynched by your fellow southern whites, chances are you probably did SOMETHING to piss them off.

LOL @ Toby Keith trying to stretch this into a full-length movie though. That flick is gonna be ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssss. Sssss.




Sssssssssss.

Dragon Horse said...

You guys do know there were far more white folks lynched in america than blacks in raw numbers.

Lynching and mob justice was quite popular in the Southwest, Great PLains, and MIdwest until about WWII.

Many a white boy was lynched for small things.

You should read about the lynch mobs formed in San Francisco in the mid-1800's in response to all the gangs (mostly Irish).

Negroes don't know history and think everything is about us, when often it is not.

ms_hgrits said...

@Christopher
I'm with you; GWB is NOT my president; he was selected by a select group of folks to benefit a select group of folks. I keep checking Field's backwards clock - 173 days, 16 and 12 minutes can't go by fast enough for me!

Constructive Feedback said...

Filled-Negro:

Clearly you don't know about the history of LYNCHING in America.

(Side note: and pretty soon criminal defense lawyers like moi are going to go out of business.

Now it all makes sense now!!!
You are a CRIMINAL DEFENDER!!!!
You do in real life what I have noticed you doing in the pretend world of your blog.

Filled-Negro - what happens when YOU KNOW the guy did it and you see the RESULTS of his handiwork staring you right dead in the face within the courtroom?

Are your skills at ABSTRACT THEORY so entrenched into your personal character that you would work three times as hard to get a THUG CRIMINAL who you yourself know is guilty SET FREE so that he can see how CHEAP some people's lives are and that he could possibly get away with murder once again......and simply pull your name out of his T-Mobile Sidekick?)

LYNCHING was not only reserved for BLACK PEOPLE!!!

First let's set up some CONTEXT.

How many lynchings occurred during the time where the law was least likely to protect the rights of those who faced the threat of lynching?

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_lyn_tot-crime-lynchings-total

According the the research done by UMKC law school: Number of total people killed by lynching from 1882 to 1968 was 4,743.

By comparison in 2006 about 14,000 total Americans were murdered, about 7,000 of them being BLACK.

There is another data set that I had found previously which indicated that more White people have been hung in America than Blacks over its history.

NO this does not JUSTIFY or diminish this brutal form of terrorism in any way.

For me, however, I am not settled with the level of double standard that I see regarding this issue. Last week I watched a television report in which the families of 4 sharecroppers that were lynched in Georgia during the 1940's held a reenactment and memorial service. (Let me be clear - THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THEIR LOVED ONES!!!)

During the interview one of the family members said they he wants JUSTICE for his family members. (The female was pregnant at the time so they paid honor to her child and they also gave it a name - 'Justice').

Now fast forward to 2008.
We see a crime spree when a Black life is "lynched away" several times a day. In some areas there is a 70% chance that the killer of this Black person will never have to stand trial for his deeds. This is a life taken, at times, with the same barbarity that the Klan has shown yet for some reason the same repudiation is not projected from the community despite having the same outcomes.

To my knowledge Toby Keith has never killed anyone. I can only guess why his reference to lynching deserves a response but the long list of Thug Songs that say that and worse go unchallenged.

Here ya good Filled-Negro:

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/2008/07/gee-it-must-be-white-racist-police.html

Mobb Deep: "Kill That Nigga"

Jody said...

uncon feed... Basic law 101 is the right to a defense..... Criminal Defense lawyers (I work for a damn good one) are serving a very important fundamental constitutional role. And, I can tell you that very few people who are at the point of facing charges for murder are found not guilty. The job of the attorney is to provide a defense that could include not just issues of innocence or guilt, but mitigating factors that may have contributed to events, which often there are.
In more murder cases than you may realize, it is NOT cut and dry.... and when it is, rarely does a defendent plead not guilty. And, as I said when it is questionable, most are found guilty.
Pray that you are never wrongfully accused, and if you are, pray that someone like Field is out there to fight for you.

Deacon Blue said...

Dragonhorse, contstructive...anyone else of similar mind...

It may well be that lynching as an act overall has been perpetuated against more whites than blacks, given that criminal justice systems have not always been great big organized entities and all that. But I point again to the piece I linked to earlier:

http://www.umass.edu/complit/aclanet/ACLAText/USLynch
.html

In the post Civil War era up to the Great Depression, lynching was used to terrorize blacks.

During the days of slavery, you probably didn't need to lynch a black person very often. I'm sure owners had a wide variety of ways to kill off slaves that pissed them off.

But lynching has become a symbol of oppression against blacks. Plain and simple.

Because it was so heavily used against blacks in a period of time when they were finally supposed to be enjoying freedom.

And they were denied it.

Like it or not, lynching = black persecution nowadays, whether you like it or not. Whites made it so.

By all means, if you have some recent history numbers to roll past me that prove contrary to the paper I've linked to, bring them on.

Phil4Real said...

Toby Keith has been a strong supporter of the war in Iraq and Bush. He's just another conservative clown pushing propaganda. He should be lynched. Can somebody buy the guy some lipbalm? He has he biggest ashiest lips I've ever seen on a white guy.
FN he'll be in Philly on Aug 16th
How convenient he's coming to Atlanta on Sept 11th. The bruthas will be waiting, catch this on the news.

Now the story of Baron getting tasered, you all should read the article from the Chicago Times that expained the corruption going on in that town. The DA stole $200K. The last Chief of Police has a former drug charge. They've been performing redneck justice for years and getting away with that plus stealing money.

Big Man said...

Man, good job on getting the word out on this since I don't go over to Huffington Post often.

That song's lyrics, plus the fact that he has "black gangsters" in the video says everything. Thing is, this ain't back in the day. Black people may still be a minority and at a disadvantage but these young cats who are out here doing dirt are not going to let a mob of white people roll up and lynch them without killing a few folks themselves. Nah, what's going to happen is that black people who actually aren't really "gangsters" are going to be the ones that bear the brunt of this new lynching movement.

Anonymous said...

wtf? why all the stereotypes?

there are no 'black gangsters' in the video - just a black homeless-looking character (i say 'looking' because he doesn't look like the homeless i see on 13th and vine).
they also show a bleach blonde WHITE prostitute - does that mean all pros are white and have blond hair?
every piece/picture of 'evidence' they're looking at in the video about the 'criminal' is about a WHITE person.

i think people are looking too much into the lyrics. i took the song and video for what it was... i wasn't looking for any underhanded digs at anyone. not exactly my taste in music/song, but nothing racist or anything...

and anyway, why is this causing an uproar? what about all the rappers in the late 80's and early 90's talking about 'f the police' and '187 on a mf-ing cop' and what not? there was an outcry then and it was deemed by the artists as creative license and freedom of speech. why is toby keith any different? because he's white?

Deacon Blue said...

Blacks were being targeted (and still are) by the cops. They had reasons to be angry.

If Toby Keith was mentioning vigilante style justice in a "we used to solve things with a shotgun and a shovel" in the old days, that would be crude, but acceptable.

Instead, he chose to fondly remember and lift up LYNCHING.

RisingTide said...

Creative freedom of expression is fine. Don't make it right, though. It's not like these are comedians -- comics piss someone off wherever they go.

Lynching is to Black like Pogrom is to Jew. It's a simple equation, people, and it covers the terror and fear inherent in acts committed against your fellow man.

Not that Blacks, nor Jews, are exempt from committing these acts -- but in these two ethnicities especially, the fear has sunk deep and grown roots.

And Leo Frank, back then, was not considered white. He was Jewish, and that was blacker than an Irishman or an Italian.

Nick Stump said...

I've been a country music songwriter over the years and one thing I can assure is that Toby Keith does not speak for the majority of us working in the music business today. I find his whole act disturbing. There's a lot of good progressive musicians out there playing country music. I'm a member of the Music Row Democrats and we are dedicated to pushing progressive thinking through our music. I see Toby Keith as the bad apple in the country music barrel.

SickupandFed said...

Dragon Horse...

I don't care if it sounds mean but, I don't care!

Why is it that black folks always have to concern themselves with the plight of people that don't give a damn about them.

And as far as us not knowing history, we know more about their history than they know about ours.

Spooked said...

Sorry Field, but I've seen & heard WAY WORSE under the guise of cRAP videos.

Anonymous said...

Yo Field-sters:

Enjoy!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=52f_1217434061&p=1

Anonymous said...

'Blacks were being targeted (and still are) by the cops. They had reasons to be angry.'

and so they had reason to express themselves creatively. fine. i'm okay with it. but toby keith is not naming a single black person in his song or video and everyone's shouting 'racism.'

yes, black people are targeted by police. and a lot of times, they are targeted in primarily black areas. as are middle easterners in and around airports, suburban white kids in known drug areas, giants fans in eagles territory and so on...

why is toby keith racist and not the scores of black folks singing, rapping and poetry-slamming against white folks?

this is the what makes me sick and makes me realize that we as a people/culture/race will never move forward because we keep looking into the past.

Kat said...

The House of Representatives Formally Apologizes for Slavery and Jim Crow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/29/house-formally-apologizes_n_115743.html


long overdue

Jay said...

NY Officer caught on video beating man

bean twn chica said...

did you read about the white teenager who was found on a bridge with a broken ankle and back and the police came up and tasered him 17 times? what about the shooting of a LAPD by a Long Beach police?

Movie after movie establishes the good guy and shows their is nothing wrong KILLING the bad guy? Indiana Jones, Batman, any cop movie..

beant twn chica said...

please STOP generalizing rap music! Specify which artist you are talking about, which song , what year, I tired of the generalizing! What artist? oh you mean NWA's Eazy E fuck the police. damn they can kill unarmed people but we can't have a protest song, I thought the 1st Amendment gave us that right. Or are you talking about Nas, or KRS-1 or souljah boy, or Ice Cube or three-6 mafia, or Lil' Mama, Trina, Rick Ross, Public Enemy, Redman, UTFO, Kool Herc, Jayo Felony, big Mike,EPMD, I could go on and on or are you talking about gangster movies like The Godfather, King of New York, it's funny how no one blames white gangster movies around since the beginning of movies but blame supposed gangster rap and can't name a specific individual rapper or song. the problem is you see white gangster movies as movies and see anything with black folks as something else. I never heard any folks scream about the Godfather setting a bad example for white youth, so shy degrade a whole kind of music at least these rappers have jobs, I guess it would be better if they sold drugs. Everyone in Amerikka emulates black culture but always has something negative to say, I don't understand it.

Anonymous said...

told ya'

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13021.htm

Obama set the whole thing up.

Anonymous said...

However, it now appears that Maariv had collaborated with the Obama campaign in getting the "private" prayer, with its "modest" supplicaton to the Lord, out to the public, buffing his Christian credentials and showing his "humility."

A Ma'ariv spokesman was quoted in the Jerusalem Post as saying that "Barack Obama's note was approved for publication in the international media even before he put in the Kotel, a short time after he wrote it at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem."]

The paper added that is was "pleased" with its "journalistic accomplishment."


the negro george bush everything is staged in o' world.

Deacon Blue said...

Anon 1:37

You continue to miss the point. He chose a specific form of vigilante justice that is almost exclusively, in recent history, associated with killing BLACK people. It is NOT a general vigilante form of death-dealing justice but a racially specific one.

It is not unlike if he had made a song pining for the days when blacks "knew their place."

Ergo: Racism.

You are intentionally ignoring the specificity of the method of death he describes in his song by claiming this is just over-sensitivity.

You do not move racial discussion forward by pining for such a racially charged act as lynching was (and is).

Gryphen said...

Damn you get a lot of jerks on this site.

Hey field, that link that one of the Anonymous guys posted was to a new Ludacris song that you are probably going to want to give a listen to.

I posted about it on my site but it really cries out for your perspective on it. I can only talk about it from a white guy from Alaska, who does not listen to rap, perspective. You know that cannot be too deep. But I am interested if your take is anything like mine.

Anonymous said...

beant twn chica @ 2:02:
"please STOP generalizing rap music! Specify which artist you are talking about, which song , what year, I tired of the generalizing! What artist? oh you mean NWA's Eazy E fuck the police. damn they can kill unarmed people but we can't have a protest song, I thought the 1st Amendment gave us that right. Or are you talking about Nas, or KRS-1 or souljah boy, or Ice Cube or three-6 mafia, or Lil' Mama, Trina, Rick Ross, Public Enemy, Redman, UTFO, Kool Herc, Jayo Felony, big Mike,EPMD, I could go on and on or are you talking about gangster movies like The Godfather, King of New York, it's funny how no one blames white gangster movies around since the beginning of movies but blame supposed gangster rap and can't name a specific individual rapper or song. the problem is you see white gangster movies as movies and see anything with black folks as something else. I never heard any folks scream about the Godfather setting a bad example for white youth, so shy degrade a whole kind of music at least these rappers have jobs, I guess it would be better if they sold drugs. Everyone in Amerikka emulates black culture but always has something negative to say, I don't understand it."

I think the poster who originally mentioned rap music did give examples of songs and the other posters generalized a little too much. From your list, I know Eazy-E, NWA, Ice-Cube and PE all had songs that were against the police in various different ways. And I have no problem with their first amendment rights to express themselves.

But your comment on no one blaming white gangster movies is false. Type in to Google “movies/TV negative Italians” and a slew of articles come up. As well as if you transfer ‘Muslim Americans,’ ‘African-Americans,’ ‘Arab-Americans’ in for Italian. So you can’t say there isn’t an outcry over ‘white’ gangster movies. There most certainly is, it just may not be on this blog.

And, yes: I'm a crazy Italian. And the negativity Hollywood has given and is giving Italians bothers and enrages myself and a lot of other Italians I know.

Examples:
These two address the Sopranos:
http://www.annoticoreport.com/2007/06/fairleigh-dickinson-university-poll.html
http://www.iaonevoicecoalition.org/notjust.html
These two address the Godfather movies:
http://www.osia.org/public/pdf/Talking_Points_Godfather.pdf
http://www.italic.org/mediaWatch/filmStudy.php

A2daK said...

Ahh, the old, romantic glory days when the good ol' boys can kill Jews, ni***s and other people without having to worry about cumbersome law enforcement slapping wrists for it.

Screw due process. Vigilante justice is so much more efficient.

BlackStocking said...

Simple historical fact: lynching was used to terroize entire black communities in the American south an some northern sundown towns.

Sure, whites and others were lynched, but never were other communities targete w/ this brutal form of violence for so long.

I give cops a wide path. As a group they are indoctrinated to mistreat young people of color (which color depends on the town you live in). Now that I have a little boy, I clearly see that black men are treated as criminals until proven otherwise. Between the cops and the thugs, I'm seriously considering sening him to Sweden when he hits 15-25.

Lastly, dearest Field, looks like the discussion trolls have found your site. W/O naming names many of these foolish replies are probably the work of one numbnut who posts under a name and then has discussion w/ themselves by posting anonymously. I've seen their work on other sites.

spooked said...

beant twn chica I didn't say that all cRap is worse -- but yes, I have definately seen Black folks insinuate/do worse to each other in cRap videos (violence & sex). Toby ain't got nothing on some of the self-destructive mess being glorified out there.

You are living in denial -- or else my eyes & ears were deceiving me and ALL cRap encourages the Unity and Uplifting of our people. (it's a groundbreaking FIRST! And I took it the wrong way! Shame on me and my lying eyes!)

Don't feel bad. I used to think that the whole Hip Hop culture was all that and a bag of chips --- before it literally and figurative showed its ass and slapped me with reality.

spooked said...

Deacon Blue

"a shotgun and a shovel" --- CATCHY

**Spooked runs off to see if this is available as a domain --- or has been used as book/movie title**

NSangoma said...

~
lest we forget legal lynchings:

http://www.blackmilitaryworld.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44

One black American soldier executed during WWII was Louis Till. Louis was drafted into the U.S. Army in 1943. While serving in Italy, he was convicted of raping two women and killing a third. He was executed by the Army by hanging near Pisa in July 1945. Years earlier, Till fathered a child who became a historical icon in the 1950's; 14 year-old Emmett Till, who was brutally murdered in Money, Mississippi, for 'whistling' at a white woman.
http://www.blackmilitaryworld.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44
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Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]uncon feed... Basic law 101 is the right to a defense..... Criminal Defense lawyers (I work for a damn good one) are serving a very important fundamental constitutional role.[/quote]

My good friend Jody.

I have NO PROBLEM with people who actually KILLED SOMEONE having access to competent defense to allow their side of the story to be told AND to insure that legal procedure if followed.

I DO have a problem with two key issues that are present today.

1) In Atlanta, the trial of "Court House Killer" Brian Nichols is going on. He killed 4 people in cold blood. Besides the fact that his team of laywers are making a mockery at the judicial process - seeking delays, asking if the judge is "too old" to endure the trial,....another day another gimick, the sad fact is that this PUBLIC DEFENDER TEAM has thus far costed the public $2 MILLION!!! This has eaten up the public defender's office where as they had to lay off people, and they had to delay trials of OTHER DEFENDANTS who's guilt is less assured. THE COPS SHOULD HAVE told all the television cameras to go away and THEY SHOULD HAVE SHOT HIM when they had the chance.

Any legal system that can DENY JUSTICE to 40 people (my estimate) in order to insure that ONE KNOWN KILLER OF 4 PEOPLE receives a FAIR TRIAL is a system that cannot and will not endure.


2) Jody, and more importantly - While you and other advocates focus on the MIS-JUSTICE that goes on with regard to people who are treated UNFAIRLY by the legal system that they go through...........I am keeping focus on the CRIMINALS who NEVER SET FOOT INTO THE LEGAL SYSTEM for their day of judgement. Several hot pockets around this nation have SHAMEFULLY LOW HOMICIDE CLOSURE RATES. In one part of Atlatna which is called "The Most Violence Zipcode in Atlanta" (part of John Lewis' district who a few weeks ago got re-elected by these same voters who live in fear in their own houses) the closure rate is about 32%. This means that you have a good chance of WALKING SCOTT FREE if you kill a Black person in these areas.

A combination of:

* "Stop Snitching" enforcement by thugs who terrorize these communities
* People who don't like cops and thus won't talk to them (even without Stop Snitching in effect)
* City Leaders (most of them Democrats) who realize that even if they DO NOTHING about these Dead Black people their jobs are safe
* People in these same communities who don't value the lives of their own people

and most of all:

* The fact that no WHITE MAN has been found to have come into the community and done the killing and thus provoke OUTRAGE among Black folks.....

is the the reason why this LOW HOMICIDE CLOSURE RATES is not a cause for outrage.


So I ask you Jody - how can an actor-vist claim to be a "person of JUSTICE" when she spends her time exclusively seeking to FIX THE LEGAL SYSTEM while doing NOTHING to bring justice to the families who have a dead loved one who's killer is still walking the street to do it again?

When does the sheer QUANTITY of these occurrences cause these actor-vists to begin to turn their protests signs that are trained upon GOVERNMENTS and CORPORATIONS to be changed into more EFFECTIVE means of dealing with the actions of INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE who, in aggregate act like A CANCEROUS attack on their community's body?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]In the post Civil War era up to the Great Depression, lynching was used to terrorize blacks.

During the days of slavery, you probably didn't need to lynch a black person very often. I'm sure owners had a wide variety of ways to kill off slaves that pissed them off.

But lynching has become a symbol of oppression against blacks. Plain and simple.[/quote]

Decon Blue - and all simiarlly afflicted people:

I am building a COMPREHENSIVE video library.

I HAVE LEARNED THAT DEBATING WITH YOU ALL IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE A DAMNED THING ABOUT THE WAY SOME OF YOU THINK.

I can tell you this - Of all of the times that I have heard the words:

"Terror", "We are terrorized", "They are threatening us", "I don't feel safe", "It's time to move if we want to live"......coming out of the mouth of a BLACK PERSON in the year that I have been recording and archiving my work...........they were talking about a BLACK THUG who was doing the TERRORIZING.

What DAMNED good is it for you to worry about LYNCHING in 2008 IF it is the CRIMIANAL THUG KNEEGROW who is playing the KLAN PART to-damned-day?

Do you ever CARE if you are not RELEVANT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9pQWdwkLEE

http://www.viddler.com/player/3d508a39/

Some of you are no longer "Blind Ideologues"......you just "DAMNED BLIND"!!!!!

Constructive Feedback said...

[QUOTE]Simple historical fact: lynching was used to terroize entire black communities in the American south an some northern sundown towns.

Sure, whites and others were lynched, but never were other communities targete w/ this brutal form of violence for so long.[/QUOTE]

BlackStocking:

Let us use the HISTORY BOOK called - ANY NEWSPAPER ARCHIVE of any MAJOR CITY IN AMERICA from 2008 YTD as a reference.

Do you think that ENTIRE BLACK COMMUNITIES are not being TERROR-DAMNED-IZED today?

I believe that some of you suffer from "Non-White White Supremacy". There is thus NO AMOUNT of Killing that a Black man can do against other Blacks for it to RISE to the level of OFFENSE that it was for the Black community when THE WHITE MAN did the same thing.

Simply put - the BLACK KILLER is INFERIOR in his actions DESPITE the fact the results are just as DEADLY.

His use of MURDER to SEND A SIGNAL to other gang members to stay out of their territory is not the same as when the WHITE MAN killed Blacks to send a signal to Black folks to remain in their place on the other side of the tracks.

Even though most Klan members were WHITE TRASH...their murderous actions are to be looked at as if they were official members of "the system".

If the CORRUPT legal system made it so that these Whites who killed never served time then what do you call STOP SNITCHING today? Jusice?

EQUALITY also means EQUAL TREAMTENT from the BLACK COMMUNITY toward ANOTHER BLACK.

I guess the activism has not reached this point of sophistication yet.

Spooked said...

Hey Field, can you supply a link to the Unity Conference stuff that led you to give House status to Tom Joyner?

So far, I've only been able to find quotes where he was singing the praises of Black radio and it's history of keeping black america informed (his bread & butter, so what else can you expect), but I didn't see anything derogatory about bloggers.

Did he simply not acknowledge black bloggers? Not give them credit? Dis them? What have I missed?

Tom didn't lie about radio being a powerful medium in our community. TV too. And I say this as a person who has personally gone to several parents in my neighborhood (on behalf of their tweens & teens who practically live at my house) and spent HOURS talking to them and convincing them (in some cases, BEGGING them) to trade me their TVs for a computer so that their kids could do their school projects and homework, etc.

None of these folks have newspaper subscriptions. Each had no less than FIVE TVs in their homes with radios in every room.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Field:

Here is an interesting article for you to check out. I kinda feel this is a example of things working folks should expect from the GOP in the future. It has a lot of working folks hotter than a firecracker.

State employees bracing for steep pay cuts - By Steven Harmon
Sacramento Bureau
Schwarzenegger expected to sign executive order slashing state employees' pay to minimum wage View Full Story
Here is the link to it.

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_10036922

rainywalker said...

What legal system? The one for the poor or the one for the rich? The one for the whites or the one for the blacks? Etc., etc., etc. Lady justice had a blindfold, now she needs a seeing eye dog.

A2daK said...

Constructive Feedback,

I live in Atlanta. You're not being completely accurate regarding the Nichols case.

They couldn't even find a lawyer or a judge to take the case for a very long time. It wasn't the defense that is causing the vast majority of the delays. The first judge did a freaking magazine interview and said something to the effect "everyone knows he's guilty". Regardless of the fact that "everyone knows he's guilty", the freaking judge cannot go around in public saying it. The system is failing itself and screwing taxpayers because of their inefficiency/incompetence.

More on your lynching post shortly.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

I would like to add that a lot of lynchings against blacks were not recorded and did not make the newspapers, and that statistics for it are not exactly accurate. During certain time periods, no value was placed on black's life, and that same attitude seems to be popping it's ugly head up today.

Yes, there were whites that were lynched as well, however, the majority of lynchings of blacks involved false accusations, and a majority of those hung were innocent people that were hung for petty stuff such as looking at a white woman, etc.

In addition, no postcards with people taking pictures next the hung victims were circulated that I know of. Nor did children or whole families come out to gloat over those who were hung, as if this was some joyous main family event or similar to watching a football game, or as if they got an organism off it, in the case of white that were lynched. The men didn't celebrate the lynchings with bottles of alcohol either as they did when they lynched black men.

Nor did they cut off whites lynched private parts and stick them in their mouths, inflict major injuries on their bodies, and burn them before lynching them in the case of whites that were lynched.

None of this took place when whites were hung that I'm aware of.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Granny loves all music from R&B to opera. Yes, and I'll even listen to country if it's not negative. I'm a music lover. However, Granny doesn't like the lyrics to a lot of music that is out now, that is negative.

I sometimes wonder what happened to when people were singing about love, uplifting, and cheerful stuff. It's enough violence and depressing stuff going on in the world today, without not having to listen to it in music as well.

I long for the days when music wasn't depressing or speaking of violence in any shape, form, or fashion. Songs that are uplifting, instead of angry, degrading,or racist.

field negro said...

/Hhttp://unitynews.org/2008/07/25/blogs-bring-attention-to-stories-overlooked-by-mainstream-media

Spooked, try that one.

Folks, please ignore uncconstructive.....see, in his world, the Klan and the folks who terrorized blacks back in the day, were right in doing so, because, well, look how those blacks are acting today? Isn't that right CF? :)

Val Clarke said...

Just to let you know...

A lot of country music fans can't stand Toby Keith. They consider his music disposable and lacking in substance. Unfortunately, he gets lots of mainstream radio play, and he's popular with younger people.

I guess you can compare the situation to the issues with rap music going on right now. You have your serious artists, and then you have the garbage.

Deacon Blue said...

I'd like to ignore Constructive, Field, but he seems to be getting angrier. I'm starting to worry about his blood pressure and thinking I should possibly call a physician on his behalf.

Anyone at least know what area code he lives in?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Hey Field, can you supply a link to the Unity Conference stuff that led you to give House status to Tom Joyner?[/quote]


Jody, other:

Did you all see the cover of Black Enterprise? Tom Joyner and Steve Harvey - two radio personalities have 10 digit per year radio contracts.

Why is it that these RICH ENTERTAINERS aren't attacked like wealthy CEOs are?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Here is an interesting article for you to check out. I kinda feel this is a example of things working folks should expect from the GOP in the future. It has a lot of working folks hotter than a firecracker.[/quote]

Granny:

If we scan Michigan and Ohio we see workers having their paychecks slashed to BELOW minimum wage. That is THEY NO LONGER HAVE A JOB. Why is it that you don't associate this as the result of DEMOCRATIC policies?


Here ya go Granny regarding California:

Governor - A liberal Republican

The California State Legislature currently has a Democratic majority, with the Senate consisting of 25 Democrats and 15 Republicans; and the Assembly having 48 Democrats and 32 Republicans. Except for a brief period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor's office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.


Granny - WHICH arm of the government makes the spending appropriations?

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]I live in Atlanta. You're not being completely accurate regarding the Nichols case.[/quote]

And this is your evidence of my inaccuracies below?

[quote]
They couldn't even find a lawyer or a judge to take the case for a very long time.[/quote]

NOT TRUE.
The publicly paid legal council was provided to Nichols a long time ago. There was a staff of 4 and they were running up bills. ONE of the delays early on was the attempt to find continued funding. The MAJORITY of the delays were imposed by the DEFENSE TEAM as they requested more time to [strike]make up their lies[/strike] prepare their defense case.

Yes there was a change in judges after the interview. Keep in mind, however, the first judge followed and illogical strategy in which he allowed for the defense to have a long, long list of witnesses and was accommodating so as not have the case overturned due to his striking of the defense's demands. It is a good thing that the first judge is gone. This new judge is more no nonsense.

[quote] It wasn't the defense that is causing the vast majority of the delays.[/quote]

Sure it was!!!! What are you talking about man? Where do you get your news from? WAOK?

The FACT is that this one case for this obviously guilty man is sucking up the build of the public defender resources. THEY SHOULD HAVE SHOT HIM WHILE THEY HAD THE CHANCE. That would have been justice.

I can then send Filled Kneegrow a picture of the 4 people that he killed to remind them that THEY deserve justice too.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]I'd like to ignore Constructive, Field, but he seems to be getting angrier.[/quote]

What YOU call "angry" I call CONSCIOUS about the FOOLISHNESS that is going on around me. The question is - why do YOU and others defend it so?

[quote] I'm starting to worry about his blood pressure and thinking I should possibly call a physician on his behalf.[/quote]

Nope - had a check up this past week as a matter of fact. Blood pressure is find. Need to be a little more physically active and drop a few pounds is all.

[quote]
Anyone at least know what area code he lives in?[/quote]

The Metro ATL baby. 678 / 770
You are not planning to move here are you? Good.

Anonymous said...

funny how when hip-hop lyrics mention killing a cop it's freedom of speech but when it's reversed it's racism....i think it's hilaroius

bunch of whinney babies

BlackStocking said...

@ Constructive Feedback:

I was addressing lynching in the historical past, not present day black-on-black crime. And yes, I went off-topic about police misconduct, but black folks have good reason to weary of the government's police, whatever uniform they wear. From the days of the slave patrol till know.

The historic and ongoing mistreatment of blacks by the police does not justify black-on-black violence. Sheesh, stop using the comment thread to pontificate about your agenda- get your own blog.

Anonymous said...

anon @ 8:59
"funny how when hip-hop lyrics mention killing a cop it's freedom of speech but when it's reversed it's racism....i think it's hilaroius
bunch of whinney babies"

i seriously could not agree with you more.

why is it only white people are racist?

Deacon Blue said...

Nobody said every cop-killing reference in rap or hip-hop was in good taste. Nobody said that Toby Keith isn't entited to free speech (it's his motivations and judgment that are in doubt).

But cop-killing references aren't racist; they were largely a response to racist tactics. So stop comparing apples to oranges.

But what do I know? I'm just a white guy who knows about white privilege from first hand experience, as well as witnessing (after marrying a black woman) both racist actions toward my family and a reduction in my white privilege when my wife is with me.

That's not whining, by the way. That's just cold, hard, personal evidenciary experience. Not that any of the people hiding behind "anonymous" to cast stones will be moved by that fact, nor any hard-line fantasy-land folks like Dragon Horse or Constructive Feedback.

But as folks like The Uppity Negro and others have pointed out, nothing will change as long as society at large pretends white privilege doesn't exist.

bean twn chica said...

what song mentions killing a cop? what artist? Reverse racism, puh-leeze, that's what happened to Sean Bell? 51 bullets = reverse racism? Oh I guess we should just write happy songs, I'm sick of people blaming rap for everything and not Bush, the economy, the Justice Department, Congress and your dumbasses for voting for Bush twice. Why do you blame rap I thought there was this thing called 1ST AMENDMENT? IT'S JUST VEILED RACISM because rappers are mostly black male, i don't understand it, and I know none of you were down fromthe beginning, it disgust me that rappers are given all the blame for society's ills not DRUGS why is no one as outraged by the torture and illegal practices committed under President Bush, that's the problem lemmings follow idiots, how has rap directly affected your lives? high gas prices, yeah I'm mad at Ice Cube for that, beating of Mexican immigrant , yeah Ice-T advocated that, foreclosures, yeah that damn Queen Latifah and her banks, police tasering man to death yeah Souljah-Boy such a terrible influence. I try to see the positive at least more beautiful black women are on tv compared to the 1970's. those damn rappers affecting my everyday life casuing record deficits, Damn Ludacris doesn't he know this is Amerikka and the black man has no right to free speech. Damn those rappers affecting my everyday life, Bush isn't a rapper, hasn't changed the coutry in eight years, those damn rappers, who are we hating (generalizing ) next, Mexicans?

bean twn chica said...

I have so many typos I suck, too much studying, too much note writing. it's the rappers fault for my typos

Anonymous said...

Why on EARTH did Colbert have this cretin on his show?

Swiff said...

LOL, ah so Constructive is the mandatory partisan troll (as required in Federal Blog Law USC 108893)

"see, in his world, the Klan and the folks who terrorized blacks back in the day, were right in doing so, because, well, look how those blacks are acting today?"

This is the line of thinking I'm expecting to take root in the minds of TOTALLY NOT-RACIST™ white people....after all, black crime went up roughly around the time lynchings went down riiiiiight? Just bring back lynchings and the black crime problem is solved! It's not racist, it's for black people's own good! Just like.......ya know........slavery.

I swear, that concealed weapon permit is starting to look better and better every day...

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote] @ Constructive Feedback:

I was addressing lynching in the historical past, not present day black-on-black crime. And yes, I went off-topic about police misconduct, but black folks have good reason to weary of the government's police, whatever uniform they wear. From the days of the slave patrol till know.[/quote]

BlackStocking:

Interesting.

Let me ask you BlackStocking - the Black independent youth of today were born around 1988.

Could you DETAIL for me how their consciousness was flooded with images about a SLAVE PATROL that they've NEVER EXPERIENCED that has made them so FEARFUL?

What about in large urban areas where THE POLICE FORCE has a large percentage of BLACK OFFICERS? Are these members of the "Slave Patrol" as well?

If I were to pull out the HARD NUMBERS and show them the breakdown regarding the number of BLACK PEOPLE killed in 2007 by:

* Police
* White Folks
* Other Black folks

as a means of having them to PROPERTY TUNE "their fears" - do you think that THIS FACT BASED EVIDENCE will cause them to discharge their irrational fears?

OR many YOU are not interested in discharging the fears because it works for you in some perverted way?

Constructive Feedback said...

Swift - you are not too bright.

[quote]"see, in his world, the Klan and the folks who terrorized blacks back in the day, were right in doing so, because, well, look how those blacks are acting today?"[/quote]

I pray to JESUS up above that you will one day take your FAKE straw man arguments and admonitions used against me and instead use them to get some of the THUGS KNEEGROWS THAT ARE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE to stop doing so.

The shameful part about it, Swift, is that I know first hand how frequently these weak azzed line of debate is used - I hear them all of the time.

Let us thus analyze your weak azzed argument so that you will not be inclined to USE THEM again.

Here is what you did Swift. You took a critical issue - "Black on Black violence and murder" and attempted to MAKE IT ALL ABOUT ME!!! You see - if I simply stopped reporting about this cancer then the news of it will die down. In your feeble mind ....it would go away as an issue that is front and center and thus begging for MANAGEMENT and RESOLUTION.

Thus you make the case that "I am arguing" that the White man knew how to "keep us in our place" back in the day and once his foot was removed - we began to act in our defacto manner - KILLING EACH OTHER.

I know that you don't step outside of your ideological binds much but let me run a different set of rationalizations before you:

The TACTICS used by Black folks to deal with the EXTERNAL THREAT from the Klan are well documented. The Klan terrorized us. The Klan had the GOVERNMENT in their back pockets thus they acted with impunity under the law.

(Now understand Swift - I am now switching to TODAY'S situation).

Today the Black community is protected via the body of laws that were crafted to have anyone who violates our rights prosecuted for doing so. Any LOCAL GOVERNMENT who fails to ENFORCE THE LAW can be checked by the next higher order of government in the hierarchy.

BUT WAIT, Swift, we have a very different set of circumstances going on today. The KILLERS are not external Klansmen. The killers came from CRADLES which were ROCKED by members of our own communities. The mass protests and boycotts to get an EXTERNAL entity to change its ways doesn't quite work as well on INTERNAL threats from INDIVIDUALS. Each time one of these INDIVIDUALS are locked up for assaulting a member of this same community.......that community's INTERESTS of avoiding "Another N____r in JAIL" gets violated. Thus they are NEUTRALIZED in their actions. Go too strong and THEY are part of the force filling up the "Prison Industrial Complex". Go too weak on crime and their communities become over run with crime.

What is the POPULAR choice? BLAME THE OUTSIDERS for FAILING to:

* Provide resources to Protect the people (from internal assailants)

* Provide Opportunities to Insure that those who are now THUGS would have had alternate pathways to develop into something more productive



Do you see Swift - some of you are attuned toward the EXTERNAL FIGHT. Your entire theory collapses when you are ALL BY YOURSELF and your collective STANDARD OF LIVING is a byproduct of the POLICIES that YOU put forth. This is why you come FACE TO FACE with the abstract THEORIES that enjoy popularity among your base of ideologues but, in truth, FAIL to provide solutions for your people.

I wonder if we should be hearkening back to the fight against Polio and Scarlet Fever rather than confronting the modern day menace of HIV since THE PAST enjoys so much importance over THE PRESENT in your mind Swift?

Gregory Williams said...

I have been reading this running pisiing contest for a couple of days. I could be wrong but I see another non black trying to tell us what's wrong with us. Must have been watching CNN last week and now considers himself an authority.

Your arguments might hold water except you leave out critical parts to the equation. parts that until recently were considered to be black folk making excuses.

There is nothing , I repeat nothing that negatively effects us that cannot be traced back to the effects of slavery and jim crow racism. I will leave out the ref to institutionalized racism that is in everything today for now.

The hell with what we do WTF are you doing to rid this country of the bullshit!

When you see it on your job do you check them, do you report it to the proper agencies? when you see it in your neighborhood, with your associates?

I didn't think so.

So Constructive, STFU!

field negro said...

What about in large urban areas where THE POLICE FORCE has a large percentage of BLACK OFFICERS? Are these members of the "Slave Patrol" as well?"

YES!

These black officers, like you, have self hate issues. I call them "slave catchers". I think you fit in very well with that group. :)

Deacon Blue said...

@ Gregory Williams

AFAIK, Constructive Feedback is black, not white

However, I suspect most of the anonymous posters who are feeding off his same rhetoric as white who are feeling bold because (1) it's the internet and no one know who they are and (2) there are a couple black folks here who have a very NON-mainstream view of racial relations and society's problems and figure that means they can also call blacks a bunch of whiners.

Deacon Blue said...

I meant to say the more annoying anonymous posters probably ARE white, not AS white. I need some sleep.

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Arnold did that all by himself, wasn't no Democrats involved, he signed an executive order for State employees to be paid $6.55 minimun wage, which in essence, is working for welfare with benefits.

After 8 years of Bush, and the same of Arnold, please don't tell me it's the Democrats.

Deacon blue:

Amen to this statement, "there are a couple black folks here who have a very NON-mainstream view of racial relations and society's problems and figure that means they can also call blacks a bunch of whiners."

Gregory Williams said...

Thanks for the info Deacon.

Unfortunately I know the type. Self hating and possibly thinking they're making points by agreeing w/massa. The only problem w/that is massa's Mo is still the same you're OK as long as you're useful after that you're just another N.

bean twn chica said...

officer does come from slave overseer, they stopped free blacks and asked for their papers or sent them to the south to return to slavery. overseer=officer I learned that from KRS-1, damn violent rapper :)and PBS

brohammas said...

Sorry bean twm chica, though I love KRS-1, who every time I hear his name the duet with Shabba Ranks repeats in my head for the rest of the day, but I believe the word officer is a military term that pre-dates the United States and the Dred Scott Decision both.

Middle English, from Old French officier, from Medieval Latin officārius, from Latin officium, service, duty...etc.

There are plenty of accurate things for us to complain about without adding in spurious ones.

Deacon Blue said...

brohamma said:
There are plenty of accurate things for us to complain about without adding in spurious ones.
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Reminds me of that brouhaha a few years back when some guy in an office used the word "niggardly" in a memo and got fired (if I recall) for being racist, even though the word had no connection to the dreaded N-word, neither in origin nor in meaning.

brohammas said...

Like I said, no need to add, or relive, spurious ones

Deacon Blue said...

LOL, brohammas...but also, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And we humans (especially in the USA) have very short memories. ;-)

GrannyStandingforTruth said...

Deacon blue:

"those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. And we humans (especially in the USA) have very short memories."

Amen, amen, and amen again!

Anonymous said...

why is it only white people are racist?
Your history maybe,who knows? the sad thing is your people invented this ugly lil game & cant stand being called on it.

Deacon Blue said...

Grannystandingfortruth...that's two shout-outs I've gotten from you today. You're making me blush!

Anonymous...I won't engage you deeply on how many ways you've managed to be igorant and miss the point in three sentences...but let me mention something someone I respect said to me once:

Anybody can be a bigot. Black, white or otherwise.

Only the people who hold the power and the money can be racist. Those who are left out of the circles of power and influence cannot oppress anyone else; therefore they cannot be racist.

It may not be a 100% spot-on definition of bigoted vs. racist, but it hold a lot of truth in it nonetheless.

Not that you would care.

bean twn chica said...

sorry brohammas-you need to watch PBS "Eyes on the Prize" or their special about Jim Crow that's were I learned the history of the slave overseer, they break it down and I read it in (I think) "Before the Mayflower" it said the same fact about the history of the word and it's not just the word the history of the police which came from slave overseer.

Actually a black man came up with the five p's when the caveman followed him (Nimrod) others followed Abraham (modern day jews)After the creator told Abraham to clean up the cavemen (in the Bible) Nimrod came up with the five p's as a way to control his new society, when he told the Canaanites he was the creator. The five p's equal = philosophy/psychology, police/penal system, pentagon, uhh I can't remember them all it's been so long, so many books ago.

What's crazy is in other countries they grow up with this knowledge of self(African and middle east countries) but in amerikka we know less about our own history. It's embarrassing when a Kenyan or Pakistani can state the whole history of black amerikkans and we in amerikka know little of our own history.

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