Tuesday, June 01, 2010

Those Jews, again.



"The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.” ~Elbert Hubbard~

I said, in my post yesterday, that I would wait for all the facts about this [so called] humanitarian flotilla before I took a position on the justification of the Israeli actions.

Sadly, I still don't have all of the facts, but I am getting close.

First, I see that the UN Security Council issued a statement today about the boarding of the flotilla ships by the IDF, but they did not blame either side. Although, I must say, that they had very harsh words for the IDF's actions. Hmmm, seems that his O ness is taking a wait and see attitude as well. (What did you expect, his right hand man is Jewish.) And I must say that this puts our girl Hillary and his O ness in a sticky situation. Turkey is pissed at Israel and it ain't going to get an easier. What's a super power who views both countries as allies in a volatile region to do?

So how did we get here? Well, I won't go this far, but I am not going to jump on the blame the Jew bandwagon, either. Besides, I have issues with these IHH folks. Serious issues. In fact, I have so many issues with them, that I found myself reading Melanie Phillips:

"As the international community rushes to condemn Israel for the violence on board one of the ships in the Gaza flotilla, which left a reported 10 people dead and dozens injured, it is now obvious that the real purpose of this ‘armada of hate’ was not merely the further delegitimisation of Israel but something far worse.

Gaza’s markets are full of produce, thousands of tons of supplies are travelling into Gaza every week through the Israeli-controlled border crossings, and there is no starvation or humanitarian crisis. It was always obvious that the flotilla was not the humanitarian exercise it was said to be. Here is footage of the IDF offering to dock the Marmara -- the main flotilla ship -- at Ashdod and transfer its supplies and being told ‘Negative, negative, our destination is Gaza’.

And now we can see that the real purpose of this invasion -- backed by the Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH), a radical Islamic organization outlawed by Israel in 2008 for allegedly serving as a major component in Hamas’s global fund-raising machine -- was to incite a violent uprising in the Middle East and across the Islamic world. As I write, reports are coming in of Arab rioting in Jerusalem."

The notion – uncritically swallowed by the lazy, ignorant and bigoted BBC and other western media – that the flotilla organisers are ‘peace activists’ is simply ludicrous. This research by the Danish Institute for International Studies details the part played by the IHH in Islamist terror in Afghanistan, Bosnia and Chechnya. According to the French magistrate Jean-Louis Bruguiere testifying at the Seattle trial of would-be al Qaeda Millenium bomber Ahmed Ressamin, the IHH had played ‘[a]n important role’ in the al Qaeda Millenium bomb plot targeting Los Angeles airport. It was also involved in weapons trafficking, and played in addition a key role in galvanizing anti-Western sentiment among Turkish Muslims in the lead-up to the 2003 war in Iraq. ‘Peace activists’ these people most certainly are not.

And this flotilla was but the latest jihadi attack, deploying the Islamists’ signature strategy of violence and media manipulation. Here from MEMRI (via Just Journalism) is a clip showing the hysteria against Israel being whipped up on board before the ships set sail, with the chanting of intifada songs about ‘Khaybar’ – the iconic slaughter of Jews by Muslims..." [Article]

Oh yes, "Khaybar"! Is that what they were yelling on that video tape? Let me watch that again....yep, that's what they seem to be saying. Nice word that "Khaybar", you folks might want to look it up.

And speaking of video, since I am still getting all the facts; I wonder if one of my resident gun experts could look at that video of the IDF soldier again and tell me if he seems to be carrying a real gun on his back, or if it's a paint gun as the Israeli government suggests?[ Shady Grady, could you help a brotha out, please?] Yes, that's important as well.

Oh well, I sure hope that this isn't true, or this. I do know what that the Israeli army is investigating their tactics (as they should) and that they have agreed to change their policy somewhat when it comes to supplies to Gaza. We will see. And just so folks don't accuse me of being[un] fair and [un]balanced; it's important to know the other side as well.

Hey, I want as much to come out as possible, because I want to make sure that I get my facts straight. Unlike some people who have already made up their minds.

178 comments:

Tomas1 said...

It is good that you have a wait and see the outcome of any investigation concerning this devastation of a people.

Just when you do be cognizant that it was in international waters, no Isreali military is dead and the American media is willing to ignore the obvious.

I remember the same news media justifying Jim Crow, don't let them hoodwink anyone again.

Anonymous said...

You say your waiting for more information before making up your mind but that's utter bullshit

"I wonder if one of my resident gun experts could look at that video of the IDF soldier again and tell me if he seems to be carrying a real gun on his back, or if it's a paint gun as the Israeli government suggests?"

Yet 9 people are dead how did that happen I think anyone with a half working brain can determine that these Commandos boarded this ship with a little more than "paint guns"

Blackmoses said...

Field...it is House Negro behavior to only use information that supports a a position that you already show bias ( big defender of the Jewish people ).
Field, I really thought you were a big defender for truth and righteousness . I'm amazed that you would take a partisan position on such a issue. You remind me of one of my favorite attorneys (Alan Dershowitz). I agree with his reasoning and logic on just about everything...but any jewish person or institution that may do wrong he still supports uncritically it is maddening to think you are his psychic twin.

Death by paint guns....wow!!

field negro said...

"Death by paint guns....wow!!"

No no no,Blackmoses, don't misrepresent my position. I agree that they had live side arms, which, I am guessing, they used to kill people on that boat. My point is, that if they were going to go in blasting to bring death and destruction, they would not have boarded with paint guns.

Tomas1 said...

Negro, please, just go ahead and admit that you were wrong. No justifications, please.

JohninCT said...

Steve Clemons at The Washington Note has a nice take on the subject:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2010/06/obama_must_call/

Bruno Leicht said...

I have said it many times before.

I've always known Israel has the World wrapped around it's little finger, but...I am really beginning to see their lies, and that it is actually condoned in their religious texts!

They are the ones who are destroying my nation...the Zionist bastards destroy everyone for financial gain, they have ruined the World and now we give them our money!

Bruno Leicht

Shady_Grady said...

Field, let me get this straight. You're quoting from a racist woman like Melanie Phillips??? Unbelievable. And linking to a site that supports David Horowitz and Geert Wilders?? LOL. You might want to check out some of what your new running buddies have to say about non-whites-especially Obama. And MEMRI was founded by an Israeli intelligence officer.I would question any of their "translations".

Anyone who believes that there is not a humanitarian crisis in Gaza either hasn't been paying attention or like Phillips, is lying.

But I digress. Please explain to us why it was ok for Israel to attack a Turkish flagged vessel in international waters, killing at least nine people. That's really the ONLY issue here. What gives Israel the right to jack someone else's ship? What gives Israel the right to maintain a blockade around Gaza and deny medicine or food as they see fit.

Were the state troopers at the Edmund Pettus Bridge right to act as they did? After all, if the protesters hadn't been there, they wouldn't have gotten beaten. The same thing can be said and IS being said of the flotilla activists. The more things change....

So far the only people dead are the activists. Paintball guns didn't kill 9 people.

Unsurprisingly, the eyewitness accounts trickling out don't support the Israeli version of events. And they are saying that the Israelis fired first. Is it the activist's duty to bleed peacefully as Malcolm said?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/gaza-flotilla-eyewitness-accounts-gunfire

Dragon Horse said...

Field should read the UN reports on the situation in Gaza and how much aid is blocked and Palestinian babies are anemic because of it...I'm talking a lot of babies, over 30%...

What's important to me is not what happened on the boat, as much as why the situation happened to begin with. It is the blockade of democratically elected Hamas, which the military dictatorship in Egypt fears (because of links to Iran and the Muslim Brotherhood who want democratic elections in Egypt) and Israel fears because of links to Iran

So they have been punishing the people for a few years and it is costing lives, childrens lives. Then again what else is new...

http://www.ochaopt.org/gazacrisis/

Anonymous said...

I'm waiting for Field to start quoting Sarah Falin and Trader Joe Lieberman.

Anonymous said...

Are you SERIOUS? No. Really. Seriously. You have now left the field. Close the door behind you.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]I remember the same news media justifying Jim Crow, don't let them hoodwink anyone again.[/quote]

Tomas1:

Kiss my Black "Jim Crow" Behind with that B.S.!!!!

If YOU want to see "justification"/ "obfuscation" you need to focus upon CLOSER TO home!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C36N85_7fLM


There is no damned way that Filled Negro and myself can continue to even PRETEND that we are defending the same position - for the same reasons.

maria said...

from the NYT

"International organizations active in Gaza paint a bleaker picture. A United Nations Development Program report published on Sunday determined that about three-quarters of the damage caused by Israel’s military offensive in Gaza in the winter of 2008-9 had not yet been repaired. And a report by the United Nations humanitarian coordinator blamed the blockade for “suffocating” the agricultural sector in Gaza and said that insufficient food was now a problem in more than 60 percent of households."

and

The fatalities all occurred aboard the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish passenger vessel that was carrying about 600 activists under the auspices of Insani Yardim Vakfi, an organization also known as I.H.H. Israeli officials have characterized it as a dangerous Islamic organization with terrorist links.

Yet the organization, founded in 1992 to collect aid for the Bosnians, is now active in 120 countries and has been present at recent disaster areas like Haiti and New Orleans.

“Our volunteers were not trained military personnel,” said Yavuz Dede, deputy director of the organization. “They were civilians trying to get aid to Gaza. There were artists, intellectuals and journalists among them. Such an offensive cannot be explained by any terms.”

maria said...

http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_special_focus_2010_05_27_english.pdf


http://www.undp.ps/en/newsroom/publications/pdf/other/gazaoneyear.pdf

two recent UN reports referred to above.

The Contentious Centrist said...

This may help in determining the weapons matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzA3Egjb79E&feature=player_embedded

As for the 'humanitarian crisis" in Gaza, well, don't believe everything the UN reports about:

http://contentious-centrist.blogspot.com/2008/09/lauren-booths-concentration-camp-chic.html

BNasty said...

Field,

I thought you punkn out on your naked run was foul...now this bullshit.

I know in your profession that you're surrounded by people of the Jewish faith. These people may or may not have given you a break or two. Maybe you feel indebted to them for some reason, but your take is shit.

You spent five paragraphs on Israeli propaganda like it was gospel,then suggested at the end someone take the time to read the follow-up argument. Bullshit.

How about this? How about explaining away the "international waters" thing? How about instead of showing snippets (Rodney King) of video of people reacting to a situation, to show it all from beginning to end?

Everything that happened after Israel violated international law by boarding the ship is inconsequential. It's like someone breaking into your home and shooting you, then blame you for the shooting because you attacked them. WTF!!

No, brother, you are exhibiting KNB...Kosher Negro Behavior (time for you to hold that lamp). At least, though, your Jewish friends will pat you on the head and give you one of those little skull hats.

field negro said...

BNasty, I have to give credit where credit is due: KNB? OK that was funny. But no, never got a break from a Jewish person.

My position on the Jewish people comes from years of reading and studying this issue. Unlike some people. But it's cool. It's always easy to jump on the pseudo revolutionary bandwagon. "I am down with Yasser so I am down". Remember him? The guy who stole millions from his own people.

Seriously, "International waters"? I love A-merry-cans. Were you all crying International Waters when your boy JFK had a blockade against the Cubans? **Crickets**

OK Shady_Grady, so maybe Phillips and I wouldn't exactly hang out together. But it's a point of view. And hey, I am trying to learn here. Just trying to learn.

Anonymous said...

Were you all crying International Waters when your boy JFK had a blockade against the Cubans? **Crickets**

WTF? Aside from this utterly lame reference (as IF)? You the only Negro THAT old here; sorry.

field negro said...

It's not just a reference, it's a fact.

I am still trying to figure out what age has to do with this argument. Are you suggesting that history started when you were born, yesterday?

The Contentious Centrist said...

Bnasty, you haven't got much understanding about international law, do you?

According to the San Remo Manual:

“67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;"

I think there is no problem with the legality of Israel's actions.

"...Israel had every right under international law to stop and board ships bound for the Gaza war zone late Sunday. Only knee-jerk left-wingers and the usual legion of poseurs around the world would dispute this. And it is pretty clear that this "humanitarian" flotilla headed for Gaza aimed to provoke a confrontation with Israel. Various representatives of the Free Gaza Movement, one of the main organizers of this deadly extravaganza, have let it slip throughout Monday that their intention was every bit as much "to break" Israel's blockade of Gaza as to deliver the relief goods.

The Israeli commandos who stormed the ship, where fighting erupted, badly mishandled the situation. But theirs was a mistake in pursuit of a legal goal, not a war crime. And as for calls for international investigations, they represent the usual hypocritical nonsense that will go nowhere. Except for those who routinely fool themselves about the judiciousness and effectiveness of action by the United Nations or the European Union, everyone understands their "investigations" will amount to nothing. Only the United States might do something useful—if the White House would only seize quickly the practical solution staring it in the face.

Israel has every right to protect itself under international law, including by blockades in international waters.

Regarding international law, blockades are quite legal. The United States and Britain were at war with Germany and Japan and blockaded them. I can't remember international lawyers saying those blockades were illegal—even though they took place on the high seas in international waters. There would be a general violation only if the hostile actions against the ships took place in waters under the jurisdiction of another sovereign state. Thus, for example, if the Israelis stopped the ships in Egyptian waters, that would have been a violation.

On a more tactical level, violations could occur if the force used to block and board were "disproportionate" to the circumstances. Those friendly to Gaza aboard the ship claim disproportionality, but this is not supported by the video available. In any event, and as a practical matter, no one is going to be able to prove exactly what happened on that ship Sunday night. Nonetheless, the overriding facts remain that Gazan leaders proclaim their goal is to destroy Israel, have tried for years to do so by missile attacks and terrorism, and that Israel has every right to protect itself under international law, including by blockades in international waters."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-31/israel-was-right-to-board-the-gaza-flotilla/

__________

"These people may or may not have given you a break or two. Maybe you feel indebted to them for some reason, but your take is shit."

This sounds as an intended humiliation. What is the exact meaning of it? It insults Jews, it insults FN and it shows you to be a bigot and an antisemite. Good work.

Anonymous said...

The Israeli government is not a total representation of all Jewish people so what is your point and how can studying one side of the issue be sufficient to draw a valid opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict? I have yet to see you put forth anything of relevant fact on this issue your whole argument has been reduced to talking about everyone else's atrocities except Israel's.

Anonymous said...

Field, I'm a supporter. But, you're full of ISH with your "reading" and this position. Said reference to Cuba was LAME because there were no KILLINGS in one fell swoop of a multi-national contingent filled with notables (which,sorry, matters in a class-conscious world). Block. Kill. DIFFERENCE.

Tomas1 said...

Constructive Feedback:

I looked up your youtube...it has nothing to do with this topic. For all I know, you just might be Field Negro. Your statement says two things: you're with me and then you're against me. Make up your mind, my brother. or sister.

Much like your word 'obfuscation', you say neither here nor there as to my statements. In any event. much like our MSM, you will divert any valid arguement.

Long live the occupants of Gaza! and may the Middle East live in peace.

Shalom!

Overdog said...

None of this should be a surprise. We shouldn't forget that Israel was attack twice by multiple arab armies bent on destroying the Jewish state. They were attacked again by Iraq in 1991. Israel is paranoid for a reason.

Dragon Horse said...

Field I realize that this post is not about Israel, the reality is that Israel is not going anywhere, they got nukes, and any invasion by Turks/Iranians/Arab will result in scorched Middle East Policy, every Muslim capital in range will be nuked, they know it too.

That's all well and good, but lets get some facts straight you missed or did not speak on in your other post.

When the ancestors of Ashkanazi Jews willingly and unwillingly moved into the Greek speaking part of the Roman Empire and then into Western Europe, Eastern Europe, etc.

Most Jews were never forced to leave by the Romans, only about 1/2 of Jerusalem's population, there were Jews who stayed there.

You can look at genetic studies, and if you want I can refer you to them. Palestinians are mostly indigenous peoples who have lived in the Levant since Time Immemorial. Many of them have ancestors that were Jews, who converted to Christianity and/or Islam. So most of the Palestinians ARE THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS!

The name Palestine came from Rome who named Israel after the enemy of the Jews out of spite, but that is irrelevant to the reality of the people.

What I mean by genetic test is that Palestinians are not predominately Arabs that came out of Arabia, just like Syrians are not, just like Egyptians are not, just like Moroccans are not. These populations "Arabized" overtime, a careful reading of Islamic history in the region will confirm this, Muslims set up laws that "seriously persuaded" folks to convert or live as second class citizens.

Just as many people in Turkey are Greeks and Armenians who converted to Islam and adopted Turkic Muslim names, many Palestinians are Jews who converted to Islam.

"A previous study by Ariella Oppenheim and her colleagues, published in Human Genetics in December 2000, showed that about 70 percent of Jewish paternal ancestries and about 82 percent of Palestinian Arabs share the same chromosomal pool. The geneticists asserted that this might support the claim that Palestinian Arabs descend in part from Judeans who converted to Islam. With their closer relationship to Jews, the Palestinian Arabs are distinctive from other Arab groups, such as Syrians, Lebanese, Saudis, and Iraqis, who have less of a connection to Jews."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1626606/posts


That is Part I, hold up for Part II.

field negro said...

"This sounds as an intended humiliation. What is the exact meaning of it? It insults Jews, it insults FN and it shows you to be a bigot and an antisemite. Good work."

Well, you know, us negroes aren't smart enough to do things on our own... Yep, kind of scary.

Ah hell no Tomas1, those are fighting words. CF and I are NOT the same person.

"Said reference to Cuba was LAME because there were no KILLINGS in one fell swoop of a multi-national contingent filled with notables.."

Anon. I am trying to be patient with you, because everyone is not trained in logical reasoning. But here is the thing: I used the JFK reference because the issue was International waters. Please do not inject a straw man into the discussion. *man this is hard work*

The Contentious Centrist said...

"Israel is paranoid for a reason."

Paranoia means that you only imagine someone is after you.

"he Islamic Resistance Movement maintains that the land of Palestine is Waqf land given as endowment for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection. One should not neglect it or [even] a part of it, nor should one relinquish it or [even] a part of it. No Arab state, or [even] all of the Arab states [together], have [the right] to do this; no king or president has this right nor all the kings and presidents together; no organization, or all the organizations together - be they Palestinian or Arab - [have the right to do this] because Palestine is Islamic Waqf land given to all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection.

This is the legal status of the land of Palestine according to Islamic law. In this respect, it is like any other land that the Muslims have conquered by force, because the Muslims consecrated it at the time of the conquest as religious endowment for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection.[-]

The initiatives, the so-called peace solutions, and the international conferences for resolving the Palestinian problem stand in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement, for to neglect any part of Palestine is to neglect part of the Islamic faith. The nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its [Islamic] faith. It is in the light of this principle that its members are educated, and they wage jihad in order to raise the banner of Allah over the homeland. "

etc etc etc

Read the Hamas charter here:

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1609.htm

Dragon Horse said...

Part II: Field:

Now that we have established that Palestinians are largely indigenous…

You are correct that European Zionist initially had a "return to Zion" movement where they purchased land from Arab and Turkic land owners, while the area was under Ottoman rule, but they did not own all the land, it was intermixed, there was a significant Arab population within the Jewish population of Palestine. I'm sure you don't dispute this.

Your contention that Palestinians did not have a distinct culture is totally false, bro. All Arabs are not the same, they don't all speak the same dialect or have the same traditions. It is true that Palestinians mostly have a lot in common with other Levant arabs, such as Lebanese, but they are distinct from Saudis, and Egyptians, the dialect is different, the traditions are different. To say "oh they are all Arab and all the same" is like saying that Americans, Australians, Brits, Irish, and Jamaicans are all the same because they speak English and were at one time under the British Empire. You accept that?

You say Jews had no place to go? Wrong. Them leaving Europe is like us leaving the U.S. and almost all relocating to Liberia. How would America be today? Europeans (and I have spent time in a few nations there) are still quite anti-Semitic, although they don't admit it openly. No one forced them to deal with their discrimination. All Westerns support Multi-culturalism, but Europeans talk it and don't practice it. After WWII, they forced all the Germans out of Eastern and Central Europe (many had lived their for centuries) because of the 'German threat", Jews largely went to Israel, most European states became 70-90% one ethnic group, but for Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, see how that turned out.

There are stateless people all over the world, why are Jews special because someone tried to kill them all, enslave them? If that is the case why can't Assyrian Christians in Northern Iraq have a nation, Kurds, Ainu in Japan, Tibetan, Uyghurs, various Native tribes.

You say Jews had a right to return because they founded Israel over 2 thousand years ago. Do you agree Italians have a right to occupy Eastern Switzerland, maybe take England back from the Germanic barbarians (the English) who took over Britania which they controlled for hundreds of years. Maybe Celts in the UK and Ireland deserve to take back Gaul (France)...that argument does not hold water. Do African Americans have a right to make a country in Nigeria? Ghana? Why not. We have money...if we buy some guns and get some support can't we just buy up some land and then when we get a good foothold declare independence. You know that is how America got the state of Texas from the Mexicans right? You agree with that? Right of Conquest field? Really?

Now going back to Palestine. Did the "Arabs' really Palestinians who lived there have a say in any of this country making? Did they accept the deal?

Did Jewish terrorist not blow up the King David hotel and chase Palestinians out of the Jewish majority area so they had a stronger majority? Ever here of the Stern Gang, the Jewish radical terrorist group that attacked Palestinians and Brits? I'm sure you have. They are justified but Palestinians are not? Why?

Right is right and wrong is wrong. I don't care what Jewish people in America stood by me.

Jews largely helped blacks because it was in Jewish interest to do so, some of it was altruism, but don't think that clause about "religion and creed" in the civil rights legislation was there by accident. LOL Black folks did not have religious discrimination against them.

I can support an Irish American Catholic who stood with us during the Civil Rights movement, that does not mean I have to support or be against the NRA.

Bro, I see your arguments as fundamentally illogical and hypocritical as to what you constantly preach on this site. Tighten it up.

Blackmoses said...

True Field...we gotta learn and grow brother.....learn and grow. The international waters question is central...unless you just wanna go rogue and say who ever has the biggest baddest army wins.

Shady Grady got it right Field...you might as well bow down and call him your Daddy. Bnasty....that was mean, but very funny... Kosher Negro Behavior ( hope you don't mind if I borrow that one ) LOL

Tomas1 said...

Ok, House Negro. Bring it on. Ypu must be the same person. because if you put two Negros in barber shop waiting for a haircut, you have three opinions. So you must be the second and the third. Since when does the truth have color, culture, ethnicity or gender?

field negro said...

Dragon Horse, see the link from my first post for my position.

I like the fact that you have a well thought out and reasoned position, and you are not here to attack with the same BS talking points, but I disagree with your hypothesis. I am familiar with the DNA studies done by Oppenheim. Hey, I am not mad at that study, and it doesn't disprove my point. This kind of stuff only pisses off the Zionist. :)

BTW, you might want to read a book called the 13th Tribe by Arthur Koester (sp?)We have to be really careful when we start going down this DNA road. Especially when it comes to religion.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]I looked up your youtube...it has nothing to do with this topic. For all I know, you just might be Field Negro. Your statement says two things: you're with me and then you're against me. [/quote]

Tomas1:

You call me an "obfuscator" while you bring in "Jim Crow" into the debate?

1) Where the PLO sympathizers BANNED from Public Transit buses in Israel because they are not Jewish OR was the rash of "Homicide Bombings" that were destroying the buses which were public property AND the Jews that were riding on the bus the trigger for any of these sanctions?


2) WHY DIDN'T I SEE YOU POST ON THIS BLOG when one Muslim Sect in Iraq were blowing up the Qua ran......as well as the Muslim Human being that was carrying the book after they bombed the Mosque that they had just exited?

You see Tomas1 - you and other bigots are not able to call for universal condemnation of human rights violations and intimidation using violence in the region because this would cause you to come from behind the corner from which you throw rocks from and then hide again.

It is critically important that you "Keep Israel On Trial", refusing to expand your myopic vision to the entire region, demanding universal adherence to your standard.

Constructive Feedback said...

Dragon Horse:

Let's pretend that all that you say is true.

If you look at the great expanse of land that they claim as Palestine.....WHY do they focus on Israel - when Jordan, Syria and Lebanon makes up the far, far, far greater portion of their land claim?

Why doesn't the PLO and Hamas stand against these other nations and not just Israel?

It seems to me that the Palestinians know that these others - AIN'T TRYING TO HEAR THAT CRAP!!

These other nations realize that they can be supportive of the Palestinian's claim against Israel, providing tacit support without themselves having to yield one grain of sand of their own.

http://israelvets.com/picts/nation_reborn/full_size_images/PalestineMap.jpg

JP said...

And while the world was focused on the noble Israeli efforts at self defense, Gaza, a walled in ghetto of 1.5 million (much like Philadelphia in population) was being subjected to more F-16 strikes.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]The international waters question is central...unless you just wanna go rogue and say who ever has the biggest baddest army wins.[/quote]

Blackmoses:

Did you post on this blog when the Sea Pirates from Somalia showed the world that they DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN about INTERNATIONAL WATERS?

When the United State gave them their "Miranda Rights" per the bullets that where shot into their heads did YOU get the message about how the "rules of the jungle" also apply to the high seas?

It seems to me that that "Army Thing" does kinda have a track record of writing history books and law books.

Overdog said...

If you look at the great expanse of land that they claim as Palestine.....WHY do they focus on Israel - when Jordan, Syria and Lebanon makes up the far, far, far greater portion of their land claim?

They focus on Israel because they are in bed with the rulers of Jordan and Syria. Hamas also has a working relationship with Hezbollah-another terrorist group largely backed by the Iranian mullahs. The main goal all these groups share is the destruction of Israel. Their secondary goal is of course the squelching of any kind of democracy in the region.

Anonymous said...

Field: you think you're being logical. Actually? Your responses read as EMOTIONAL. It may feel like you're being logical; trust: it doesn't read that way; sorry. Killings in international waters vs. blockading in international waters: HARDLY a straw man...just a FLOATING one -- actually, several dozen, thanks to Israel. For the record: As I said earlier, I'm a SUPPORTER. I've followed your blog for a while. I've never seen you this shrill. If only you treated your trolls so harshly....

field negro said...

"They focus on Israel because they are in bed with the rulers of Jordan and Syria. Hamas also has a working relationship with Hezbollah-another terrorist group largely backed by the Iranian mullahs. The main goal all these groups share is the destruction of Israel. Their secondary goal is of course the squelching of any kind of democracy in the region."

Check mate!

field negro said...

"I've followed your blog for a while. I've never seen you this shrill. If only you treated your trolls so harshly...."

Not true. I am being very nice. I have never been "shrill" in my life.

I don't treat "trolls" this "harshly" because I don't care about the trolls, but you can be saved. I care about you.

Val said...

It really doesn't matter what Israel does, it could have sunk that ship, because nothing serious is ever done in response to what Israel does. Israel knows that and so does everyone else.

Blackmoses said...

Constructive Feed...I certainly don't condone Somalian piracy and I find it hard to accept the Israeli commando's legitimacy on this mission. According to my favorite lawyer Alan Dershowitz " Israel's Actions Were Entirely Lawful Though Probably Unwise " Fact is because they have the power they should use it judiciously. There were 100 other ways they could have handled this situation . This is definitely a bad look.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/israels-actions-were-enti_b_596285.html

Overdog said...

One thing that we should also remember is that Hamas has a long history of getting civilians killed. They've done countless times in the West bank, using humans shields to carry out operations. The more civilians get killed, the worse Israel looks.

Hathor said...

Dragon Horse,
I think you need to find out more about the creation of the colonies in the Middle East and North Africa after WWI. The Palestinian land was divided up to create a British colony and several Kingdoms, such as Transjordan. Israel fought the British not the Palestinians to become an independent country and the UN Resolution 181 proposed to create both a Jewish and a Palestinian state in the former colony. Look at the relationships with the west and the Arab countries before 1947 to see why there didn't become a Palestinian state.

Many Jews had nowhere else to go after the war but to Israel. The US made it very clear that they were not wanted in the US.

Overdog said...

Look at the relationships with the west and the Arab countries before 1947 to see why there didn't become a Palestinian state.

Arab leaders-including top Palestinians-sided with the Nazis during WWII. There was even a pro-Nazi uprising in 1941 against the British. The Gradn Mufti Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini of Palestine met with Hitler himself to show his support. It's no surprise there was no Palestinian state after that.

George said...

Field Negro, I know that your support for Israel is blind and unflinching and you will probably ignore this comment, but I implore you to take an hour out of your day to watch this documentary:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=746557429802139093#

It may change your opinion on Israel, or at least give you some insight into why Palestinians are desperate enough to blow themselves up.

George said...

"Nonetheless, the overriding facts remain that Gazan leaders proclaim their goal is to destroy Israel, have tried for years to do so by missile attacks and terrorism, and that Israel has every right to protect itself under international law, including by blockades in international waters."

WRONG. Palestine's representatives, even Hamas, have shown they are willing to negotiate peace with Israel. The reason that the rocket attacks (by the way, its absolutely laughable that these tiny, innacurate and infrequently launched rockets present an existential threat to Israel) stopped was because of a negotiated ceasefire, a ceasefire which Israel later broke. This is a common thread in discussion with zionists, the idea that the oppressed, imprisoned and dominated population of Palestine are on the verge of invading and destroying their powerful oppressors. Its a ludicrous claim and shows that the foundations of Zionism are shaky at best. When Israel's only answer to criticism is to point at the people crushed beneath their boot and say 'look, they are going to kill us!' or simply to call the critic an anti-semite then it seems that Zionism is intellectually bankrupt.

Molly Caire said...

@Bruno Leicht

Your remarks are disgusting and you do not fool any body. You are a well known troll and your game is called.

wsws said...

Washington comes to aid of Israel over Gaza convoy massacre
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jun2010/isra-j02.shtml

America's Complicity in Evil
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19456

Anonymous said...

My position on the Jewish people comes from years of reading and studying this issue. Unlike some people. But it's cool. It's always easy to jump on the pseudo revolutionary bandwagon. "I am down with Yasser so I am down". Remember him? The guy who stole millions from his own people.


Field jew and israeli are not interchangeable. There are too many jews that do not support Israel to ignore. Like people of color or other religions they are not monolithic.

It is outrageous what has happened to the Palestinian people. There is no justification.

Bob said...

It's ignorance, superstition, suspect historical claims, & bigotry all around, & violence as theater. Land goes to the conquerers, Romans, Syrians, Greeks, Mongols, Danes, Spanish, British, Americans. Historical entitlement is a fantasy. It's always occupation by power.

Anonymous said...

"Negro, please, just go ahead and admit that you were wrong. No justifications, please."

That won't happen. Field would rather die than to admit he made a mistake. Hence, in order to NOT make a mistake, he must support Israel even when they are killing innocent people. And Israel has been killing a lot of "innocent" folks over Gaza.

I think "Nazi Israel" is an appropriate name for a rogue nation like them.

CF and Field your lies about your relationship with CF is coming to light like Israel's lies are. I have always suspected that you two were blogging CHUMS.

Anonymous said...

Field, ""The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.” ~Elbert Hubbard~

I said, in my post yesterday, that I would wait for all the facts about this [so called] humanitarian flotilla before I took a position on the justification of the Israeli actions.

Sadly, I still don't have all of the facts, but I am getting close."

What facts are you waiting on, Israel's spin on what happened? Yeah, that ought to clear things up.

In addition to Hubbard's quote on ignorance, you should add MLK's statement to reflect YOUR OWN brand of thinking regarding Israel:

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."-MLK

This goes for CF as well...but ONLY with regard to Israel.

Anon #125 (CF, thanks again for the name. Do I get to keep it permanently?)

Anonymous said...

I find it interesting that Field's fan club (AB, UTS, Granny, agape1910 and LA Audio Books) go into hiding whenever Field starts craving for bagel and lox and hating on chicken.

Where are you, UTS? I know you are against Israel, yet you keep your big mouth shut to keep from offending Field. You are a phony, an uncle tom, and a coward to boot.

NSangoma said...

~
YHWH and Yesus are myths North American Field Negroe. The ancient Hebrews invaded Canaan (Greek name, Phoenicia) to steal.

Hell in addition to fighting the Canaanites, the Hebrews even fought each other (YsRaEl versus Judah) as well as the Philistines, Assyrians, Egyptians, Hittites, et alia, for control of Canaanite trade routes and Canaanite seaports.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Qr5W4IrVKSMC&pg=PA139&dq=Judah+isreal+canaan+canaanite+trade+routes&hl=en&ei=-lAFTNyNBYKC8gbW893bDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6wEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&tbo=p&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&tbs=bks%3A1&q=Judah+israel+canaan+canaanite+trade+routes&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

... In terms of archaeology, language, and religion, there is little to set the Phoenicians apart as markedly different from other cultures of Canaan. They were Canaanites. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia

Hell in addition to fighting the Phoenicians, the Hebrews even fought each other (YsRaEl versus Judah) as well as the Philistines, Assyrians, Egyptians, Hittites, et alia, for control of Phoenician trade routes and Phoenician seaports.

It is well past time for this oki-doke to end!!

Oops, but then Yesus will not return to scoop up you po' colludz and take yall on to Beulah land.

tee-hee-hee
`

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote] Israel fought the British not the Palestinians to become an independent country and the UN Resolution 181 proposed to create both a Jewish and a Palestinian state in the former colony. Look at the relationships with the west and the Arab countries before 1947 to see why there didn't become a Palestinian state.[/quote]

Hathor:

I thought that the United Nations was "The International Rule of Law" per the popular statements 10 years ago when people agreed with their sentiments?

The truth is that there were numerous TRIBES in the Middle East prior to the formal, geographically surveyed nation-states. The so-called Palestinians don't have any more of a claim to the title to this land than the multitudes of other "Tribes" that occupied this area of land over time.

Again I say - The best strategy for the so-called Palestinians is to turn inward and become more organically productive, having their people turn their anger over their impoverishment that is cast upon Israel into participation in the world economy. (Yes at present the continuing conflict has Israel with their - what did Ken Salazar say - "With their boot on their neck". )

Israel as like the present immigration debate in the USA realize that if they don't control the balance of influence in this nation - THEY WON'T HAVE A DAMNED NATION any longer.

Some of you are so abstract in your thinking that you look past the fact that two "naked men" on the opposite sides of the battle SHARE THE VERY SAME CONTEMPT FOR EACH OTHER. They would slash each other's throats in unison if they could.

One of these men have a greater set of armaments and makes his "assaults" in a more systematic way per a standing army. The other operates as individuals making his "assaults", one slice at a time.
One's personal ideological viewpoint with respect to "authority" as held by governments compared to perceived "oppression" of the individual have them to apply this standard to the present situation.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]CF and Field your lies about your relationship with CF is coming to light like Israel's lies are. I have always suspected that you two were blogging CHUMS.
[/quote]

* I have never met my friend Filled Negro in person.

* I AIN'T NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, Never in Hell going to be OFFERED a membership in the elite "AfroSpear" cabal.

* I would never, never, never in hell ACCEPT or PETITION FOR membership in "AfroSpear" lest I first sell out my core beliefs just to "get in where I fit in"

* I see Filled Negro's antics and agenda and I call him out on them. YOU obviously like the flavor of his self chum - except when he puts out "Matzo Ball Flavored" chum one time out of 1000.

* I am of the opinion that my friend Filled Negro will NOT be able to sustain his (as you call it) "Support For Israel" or the benefit of the doubt over the long haul. I believe that both Filled Negro and Obama are going to fall for the claim that sanctions should be equally applied to all in the area.

The UN is already gunning to make the Middle East a Nuclear free zone. Their target is ISRAEL, intending to have them yield to international inspections.

Get this - despite the fact that Israel has NOT threatened anyone with their nukes while Iran has issued threats against Israel and been dubious about its Nukes - these yahoos in the United Nation are going to go after ISRAEL, punishing them for their resistance.

All the while Iran has shown their backside to the United Nations on the same subject.

In order to save face and project the notion that they are even handed - Obama and Filled Negro will demand that Israel submit to the exact same sanctions that Iran is subjected to.

In their successful equation between Israel and Iran - the regional ENEMIES of Israel will have WON.

It will be logically equivalent to stripping a "Blood" of his concealed weapon while ignoring the fact that he lives in Chicago, surrounding one side by water and 3 sides by CRIPS. He is asked to have faith that the POLICE of the United Nations believe in "gun control" and that he has nothing to worry about getting shot. If he stops "oppressing" the Crips and agree to all give up their arms - PEACE will be had in the city.

Anonymous said...

According to the San Remo Manual:

“67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
===================================
What you forget to mention is that Israel blokade is illegal not endorsed by the United Nations Security Council.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."-MLK

This goes for CF as well...but ONLY with regard to Israel.

Anon #125 (CF, thanks again for the name. Do I get to keep it permanently?)[/quote]

Anon #125:

I talked with Martin Luther King Jr last night when I asked him why his present day SCLC are fighting amongst each other rather than LEADING. He told me that ignorance and stupidity has taken over the organization.

He then told me that while he always wanted to go to Israel in order to visit the key historic sites in his Christian religion, he never had a similar motivation to visit Ammam Jordan.

Anonymous said...

know in your profession that you're surrounded by people of the Jewish faith. These people may or may not have given you a break or two. Maybe you feel indebted to them for some reason, but your take is shit
===================================Damn right.

M. Rigmaiden said...

Contentious Centrist, a Centrist is the closest thing we have to objective observers in the political realm. They base their commentary on EVIDENCE regardless of political affiliations. Granted, everyone has their internal biases but I think you are mislabeling yourself.I used to call myself a Centrist until I realized that my internal biases prevented me from truly being a Centrist.

From your posts and blog it is apparent that you have no sympathy for Palestinians or others who try to help them. Your positions are neither well reasoned, compassionate or thoughtful. In fact, they read like a callous and insensitive person to human suffering.

I am utterly surprised even at FN's commentary in all of this. As a trained attorney, the international waters question is paramount to a discussion of whether or not Israel's actions were justified. And via the liberal mantra of caring for the dispossessed I am also surprised at the seemingly callous attitude regarding human rights.

But I've noticed that this is not a blog for hard analysis of issues as much as it is a place for FN to share his emotional opinions and they can be disconnected from rationality rather often.

Then again, blogging isn't about rationality or evidentiary bases for forming opinions. It is about people talking the loudest and gathering cult followings, among other things.

Anonymous said...

FOR 2,000 years, the Jews knew the force of force only in the form of lashes to our own backs. For several decades now, we have been able to wield force ourselves — and this power has, again and again, intoxicated us.

In the period before Israel was founded, a large portion of the Jewish population in Palestine, especially members of the extremely nationalist Irgun group, thought that military force could be used to achieve any goal, to drive the British out of the country, and to repel the Arabs who opposed the creation of our state.

Luckily, during Israel’s early years, prime ministers like David Ben-Gurion and Levi Eshkol knew very well that force has its limits and were careful to use it only as a last resort. But ever since the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel has been fixated on military force. To a man with a big hammer, says the proverb, every problem looks like a nail.

Israel’s siege of the Gaza Strip and Monday’s violent interception of civilian vessels carrying humanitarian aid there are the rank products of this mantra that what can’t be done by force can be done with even greater force. This view originates in the mistaken assumption that Hamas’s control of Gaza can be ended by force of arms or, in more general terms, that the Palestinian problem can be crushed instead of solved.

But Hamas is not just a terrorist organization. Hamas is an idea, a desperate and fanatical idea that grew out of the desolation and frustration of many Palestinians. No idea has ever been defeated by force — not by siege, not by bombardment, not by being flattened with tank treads and not by marine commandos. To defeat an idea, you have to offer a better idea, a more attractive and acceptable one.

Thus, the only way for Israel to edge out Hamas would be to quickly reach an agreement with the Palestinians on the establishment of an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as defined by the 1967 borders, with its capital in East Jerusalem. Israel has to sign a peace agreement with President Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah government in the West Bank — and by doing so, reduce the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to a conflict between Israel and the Gaza Strip. That latter conflict, in turn, can be resolved only by negotiating with Hamas or, more reasonably, by the integration of Fatah with Hamas.

Even if Israel seizes 100 more ships on their way to Gaza, even if Israel sends in troops to occupy the Gaza Strip 100 more times, no matter how often Israel deploys its military, police and covert power, force cannot solve the problem that we are not alone in this land, and the Palestinians are not alone in this land. We are not alone in Jerusalem and the Palestinians are not alone in Jerusalem. Until Israelis and Palestinians recognize the logical consequences of this simple fact, we will all live in a permanent state of siege — Gaza under an Israeli siege, Israel under an international and Arab siege.

I do not discount the importance of force. Woe to the country that discounts the efficacy of force. Without it Israel would not be able to survive a single day. But we cannot allow ourselves to forget for even a moment that force is effective only as a preventative — to prevent the destruction and conquest of Israel, to protect our lives and freedom. Every attempt to use force not as a preventive measure, not in self-defense, but instead as a means of smashing problems and squashing ideas, will lead to more disasters, just like the one we brought on ourselves in international waters, opposite Gaza’s shores.


Amos Oz is the author, most recently, of the novel “Rhyming Life and Death.”


...................................Refresh your brain HOUSE NEGRO

field negro said...

"I talked with Martin Luther King Jr last night when I asked him why his present day SCLC are fighting amongst each other rather than LEADING. He told me that ignorance and stupidity has taken over the organization.

He then told me that while he always wanted to go to Israel in order to visit the key historic sites in his Christian religion, he never had a similar motivation to visit Ammam Jordan."

Very good CF. :)

I talked to him as well, and you know what he told me? That if he knew then what he knows now he might reconsider the whole religion thing.

M. Rigmaiden, why should people compartmentalize their sympathy? Did you have sympathy for Mrs. Pearl when she was watching her husband's head get cut off on the Internet? No one is unsympathetic to the innocent people of Palestine. But you might want to have a chat with your friends from Hamas first. Tell them to stop beating their own people -including young girls- when they don't follow their dress code.
http://www.wluml.org/node/5525

Please, spare me the selective rage.

"Field jew and israeli are not interchangeable. There are too many jews that do not support Israel to ignore. Like people of color or other religions they are not monolithic."

This is why I said Jewish people. But you are making my point for me. There are liberal Jews, conservative Jews, and Jews in between. Seems that they actually get to have an opinion.

"Palestine's representatives, even Hamas, have shown they are willing to negotiate peace with Israel."

Link please.

Shady_Grady said...

Whether it is Amritsar, Derry, Selma, Sharpeville, Gaza or any number of other places the oppressor always responds with violence. That's his nature. What non-violent direct action does is give everyday people a way to confront the wrong doers and more importantly place the spotlight on the occupier's actions. The people in charge can't stand this scrutiny which is why you consistently have increasingly frantic propaganda efforts to convince us that up is down, black is white, and that the Palestinians are oppressing the Israelis.

This is just human nature. Every group has done it. No serious person here is arguing that Jewish people are somehow uniquely evil. Although there seem to be a few people who make that argument about Muslims, Arabs or Palestinians.

But what Israel is doing to Gaza is wrong. It is not sustainable and it will be challenged again and again and again. Given that Turkey is making noises about sending naval ships to protect the next flotilla, I hope that the insane racists currently in charge in Israel can find a way to step down from their violent course of action. Given their past history though, that seems doubtful.

M. Rigmaiden said...

"M. Rigmaiden, why should people compartmentalize their sympathy? Did you have sympathy for Mrs. Pearl when she was watching her husband's head get cut off on the Internet? No one is unsympathetic to the innocent people of Palestine. But you might want to have a chat with your friends from Hamas first. Tell them to stop beating their own people -including young girls- when they don't follow their dress code."FN

Whoa! You really are off on this one FN! My 'friends' at Hamas? That makes no sense whatsoever. YES I AM SYMPATHETIC TO ANYBODY AND ANY PERSON WHO IS INNOCENT AND KILLED OVER WAR! My rage is not selective at all.

Shady Grady is right in that there is no justification for how the people in Gaza are being treated. I don't advocate terrorist organizations of any stripe. This is why Timothy McVeigh was a DOMESTIC TERRORIST, why the KKK and Skinheads are terrorists and why the street pirates that CF mentions so frequently are also terrorists.

Our law enforcement agencies are the arm of tyranny and NO I don't support police officers having the right to kill anybody at all.

MLK did say that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. You don't have to have any political affiliations supporting Hamas to see the evil inflicted upon the people in Gaza right now.

And again, the international waters question is cut and dry. Who has jurisdiction in international waters? Who has the right to commit acts of war against ostensible human rights flotillas?

You have skewed the discussion to equate my views with Hamas, which is a real cheap shot.

Criticism of Isreali government does NOT equal support for Hamas.

This is why I am against ALL WARS. Innocents get killed over the decisions of elites who don't give a damn about them.

The Purple Cow said...

The Israeli government says the objective of the siege is to bring down Hamas and to enable the release of Gilad Shalit. The siege thus constitutes collective punishment of the civilian population, which is unlawful under international law.

The agreement between Israel and Egypt states that the Gaza Strip’s foreign trade must be conducted through Israel. The quantity of goods allowed into the area is less than 25% of what entered prior to the siege, and far below the population’s needs. The range of goods allowed in is also much smaller: 150 types of goods compared with 4,000 before the siege. We don’t know exactly what goods are banned because the Israelis and Egyptians refuse to publish the list.

Israel and Egypt prohibit the import of building materials, including iron and cement. This is a huge problem because Operation Cast Lead destroyed 3,500 houses and many thousands more were severely damaged, causing massive harm to Garza’s infrastructure.

Israel and Egypt have have reduced the supply of industrial fuel, which is needed to operate the one power station in Gaza. Following a petition filed by two Israeli NGOs, Israel agreed to supply 63 percent of the fuel needed to meet the Gaza’s needs, however in reality it provides considerably less than this quantity. As a result 98 percent of Gaza residents suffer from planned blackouts lasting eight or ten hours a day. The remaining two percent of the population do not receive any electricity at all.

The frequent power cuts and a shortage of spare parts prevent the correct operation of wells and desalination plants, as a result the water in the Gaza Strip is of poor quality. In 2009, 93 percent of wells were found to be polluted with high quantities of chloride and nitrates. Waste treatment is also affected: 100,000 cubic meters of untreated, or partially untreated, sewage flow into the sea every day.

Before the siege, seventy trucks with goods intended for export left the Gaza Strip daily. Israel now prohibits almost all exports. From the beginning of the siege to the end of April 2010, Israel has only allowed the export of strawberries and flowers intended for the European market.

Agriculture has been devastated by the prohibition of basic items such as pesticides and spare parts for irrigation systems, as well as the prohibition on exports. Farmers in areas near the Israeli border are unable to reach their land because Israel has declared extensive sections of land a “security strip” to which access is forbidden and open-fire regulations permit the shooting of any person who enters these areas. Israel has also restricted the area in which fishing is allowed; fishermen are not allowed to go more than three nautical miles from the coast.

These policies have led to economic collapse in Gaza, 95 percent of factories and workshops in the strip have closed. Tens of thousands of workers have lost their jobs and unemployment now exceeds 40%.

70% of the population now depend on foreign aid to obtain food.

As a result of the siege policy, an economy has developed in recent years based on tunnels between the southern Gaza Strip and Egypt. The Hamas government collects taxes from the tunnel users, which have become an important source of revenue for them. In addition to necessities, Palestinians also smuggle in weapons, including rockets through the tunnel system.

M. Rigmaiden said...

PC you make a compelling case for serious scrutiny of human rights abuses in Gaza. Where are your sources Btw?

Shady_Grady said...

Hedy Epstein speaks.
This is about 10 minutes long but is worthwhile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h95mitkbg9M

Jody said...

""Field jew and israeli are not interchangeable. There are too many jews that do not support Israel to ignore. Like people of color or other religions they are not monolithic."

FN Response: "This is why I said Jewish people. But you are making my point for me. There are liberal Jews, conservative Jews, and Jews in between. Seems that they actually get to have an opinion."

What??? This action was taken by ISRAEL, not "the jewish people."

What you said in response to the above point (which I whole heartedly agree with) makes absolutely no sense. You framed your argument as Jewish People and Israel being synonymous. They are not. The demo in Philly protesting this action by Israel, was in part organized by Jewish Voice for Peace and Jews for Justice. IN ISRAEL, Bat Shalom and other organizations are condemning this action by their own government. They key here is this was a government, military action. Not an action of "The Jewish People."

Please stop using Jewish People as a descriptor of Israel.

The Purple Cow said...

Rigmaiden, here are my sources, best that I can remember them.

"Red Cross: Israel trapping 1.5m Gazans in despair". Haaretz. 2009-06-29.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1580933/Human-crisis-in-Gaza-is-worst-for-40-years.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7570605.stm

http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/gaza_agriculture_25_05_2010_press_release_english.pdf

http://www.trec-uk.org.uk/resources/sustainable_water_and_energy_in_gaza_strip.pdf

http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20100531_The_Siege_on_Gaza.asp


**

Melanie Philips is not only a known to be a vicious racist and anti-Muslim extremist, she is also a proven liar and paranoid nutcase. I'll post some evidence when I have a spare moment this afternoon.

The Contentious Centrist said...

"Dragon Horse said...

Now that we have established that Palestinians are largely indigenous…"

You established nothing of the kind.

This is a quote from the TNR message boards:

"A tiny shard of a vast Arab colonial empire, that was re-recreated for them by the Western powers following World War I, was reserved for its aboriginal inhabitants, the Jews (such people as the Caananites who proceeded them being lost to history). The Arabs at the time had no interest in a Palestinian state. There were already 20 odd Arab states. None of them objected when the Arab partition was taken over, annexed, by Egypt and Jordan following Israel's War of Independence. All the rage was directed at the possibility that in some tiny corner of the Arab world, encompassing millions of square miles, the Jews might be the governing majority. Just how offensive would it to your morality if some piece of the United States were made an independent homeland for Native Americans? How offensive to your morality would it be if some piece of Canada were made an independent homeland for the Inuit or of Australia for its Aborgines? How offensive to your morality is the independence of Kosovo, or Croatia, or Bosnia? "

The Contentious Centrist said...

And this:

"But over the years, a lot of evidence has been accumulated showing that the economic development of Palestine spurred by Jewish immigration attracted a large influx of Arab immigrants. One blogger who has repeatedly written on this subject is the Elder of Ziyon, and he recently added some fascinating material from an article that was published in August 1935 in the Palestine Post (nowadays known as the Jerusalem Post). The article is based on a report in the Manchester Guardian (nowadays known as the Guardian) that provides a synopsis of a British Treasury report on the economic situation in Palestine.

Under the title “Prosperity in Palestine”, the article explains:

“The prosperity of Palestine is becoming almost a wearisome theme. It has continued for more than two years in spite of constant presages of a boom that will be followed by a slump. And during the last year it has been more impressive than ever.”

The article goes on to highlight the “extraordinary surplus of the Government and the immense increase in the Customs revenue”, which are attributed to “the increasing immigration”. Quoting an “authoritative estimate”, the number of Jewish immigrants for 1934 is given as 50,000; compared to 38,000 in 1933, and 15,600 in 1932.

But the report also notes:

“The immigration, however, is not restricted to Jews. There has been a steady infiltration into Palestine of Arabs from Syria (the Hauran) and from Trans-Jordan. And it is notable that the illicit immigration of the non-Jews recorded in the report of the Government is more than double that recorded for the Jews.”

Obviously, this means that if some 100 000 Jews immigrated to Palestine between 1932-1934, more than 200 000 Arabs immigrated illegally in the same period – and, interestingly enough, some of these illegal Arab immigrants came from the very part of Palestine that the British had decided to cut off from the Mandate area to create an exclusively Arab state from which Jews would be barred.

Of course, even back then, it was fashionable to claim that Jewish immigration caused terrible hardship for the “natives” of Palestine – but, as one contemporary British official dryly noted:

“This illegal [Arab] immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria, and it is very difficult to make a case out for the misery of the Arabs if at the same time their compatriots from adjoining states could not be kept from going in to share that misery.”

http://cifwatch.com/2010/05/14/how-about-some-facts-on-the-%E2%80%9Cright-of-return%E2%8

M. Rigmaiden said...

Thanks for the sources PC. Appreciate it.

The Contentious Centrist said...

Antisemitism and bigotry come in all shapes, sizes and flavours. It is quite a shock for me to come to this blog and encounter the nearly automatic loathing of Jews (and by association, Israel) presented by some of the commenters here. It is quite shocking that the blogger being African-American is being taunted as a traitor to African-Americans and the cause of justice because he takes a rational, analytical calm view of very complex processes in history rather than succumb to some emotional conformity. Seems to me that FN is pilloried for actually being interested in TRUTH rather than propaganda and populistic pathos.

I hope you have a tough stomach, FN. Remember Bertrand Russel in one of his Unpopular Essays, when he tries to explain that the role of a teacher is to be the guardian of civilization. A teacher, says Russell, "should be intimately aware what civilization is'.

But what does Russell mean when he invokes the term "civilization"?

It's much more than advanced technology. It is "a thing of the mind"

"it is a matter partly of knowledge, partly of emotion... A man.. should see his own country not only as home but as one among countries of the world, all with an equal right to live, and think, and feel. He should see his own age in relation to the past and the future".

In totalitarian countries,

"fanatical nationalism was what was most emphasised in the teaching of the young, with the result that the men of one country have no common ground with the men of another., and that no conception of a common civilization stands in the warlike ferocity". "Collective hysteria, the most mad and cruel of all human emotions, is encouraged instead of being discouraged".

I commend you on taking a principled and disciplined position on the events that unfold rather then join the other clowns on this thread who can barely control their bile.

idrode said...

The chumming water are not as good today.

But you can be saved. I care about you. -- typical elitist attitude. And you will do the saving?

Negro, please, go back to baiting everyone with your posts that everyone wants to read about, you know the ones where you feed your followers. This one failed.

Although a real man would post more like these.

xoxo

Anonymous said...

31 May 2010: An American solidarity activist was shot in the face with a tear gas canister during a demonstration in Qalandiya, today. Emily Henochowicz is currently in Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem undergoing surgery to remove her left eye, following the demonstration that was held in protest to Israel’s murder of at least 10 civilians aboard the Gaza Freedom Flotilla in international waters this morning.

21-year old Emily Henochowicz was hit in the face with a tear gas projectile fired directly at her by an Israeli soldier during the demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint today. Israeli occupation forces fired volleys of tear gas at unarmed Palestinian and international protesters, causing mass panic amongst the demonstrators and those queuing at the largest checkpoint separating the West Bank and Israel
...................................
Another Us citizen shot by the Israelis.

The Purple Cow said...

[quote:Contentious Centrist]It is quite shocking that the blogger being African-American is being taunted as a traitor to African-Americans and the cause of justice because he takes a rational, analytical calm view of very complex processes in history rather than succumb to some emotional conformity.[/quote]

I'm as much a fan of Field's as the next man, (obviously otherwise I wouldn't be here) but the widespread quotation of the deranged bigot Melanie Phillips hardly qualifies as 'rational', 'calm' and 'analytical', now does it?

maria said...

RM
This is why I am against ALL WARS. Innocents get killed over the decisions of elites who don't give a damn about them.

6:12 AM

agreed, agreed, agreed! today CNN was on the gym and i saw the little clips of soliders landing on the ship and then clubs flying--and you know what?-- i do not blame them at all. those ships posed no threat to israel's security and they had no right to board a ship in international waters.

and way earlier in this thread i posted links to two UN reports about the effect of the blockade on gaza.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]From your posts and blog it is apparent that you have no sympathy for Palestinians or others who try to help them. Your positions are neither well reasoned, compassionate or thoughtful. In fact, they read like a callous and insensitive person to human suffering.[/quote]

MR - PLEASE!!!

I wonder if you are able to take your focus on the "Suffering of the Palestinians" and affix even one portion of the blame upon their LEADERSHIP?

Let's see what would happen to the leader who said "Though the raid by Israel several years ago was unjust and killed hundreds we need to focus on refraining from doing any physical violence that would provide our enemy with the excuse to release an asymmetric strike, far beyond what one missile fired into their land (which is our land) deserved.

Let us refrain from these actions and instead focus on our ownselves.

As a result my government will initiate a campaign to confiscate all military class weapons from the civilian community as only the official army of Gaza should be positioned to trigger "International Incidents".

MR - do you think that this leader who dared mouth these words would be in power for more than 1 year or alive more than 3 years?

To PRETEND that Israel isn't aware of the threat that is on the outside (and inside) of its borders and should not execute operations that warn of the COSTS of encroachment is wishful thinking on your part.

Good thing that YOU don't reside on contested land. (Oh wait. You live in the nation of Mexico per the year 2110 - don't you?)

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]This is why I am against ALL WARS. Innocents get killed over the decisions of elites who don't give a damn about them.
[/quote]

I am against wars.
I am against guns.

However I am going to keep my 3 guns just in case I run into a person who DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT WHAT I THINK and has a GUN OF HIS OWN to make his thoughts count against me.

The Contentious Centrist said...

"M. Rigmaiden said...

Contentious Centrist, a Centrist is the closest thing we have to objective observers in the political realm. "

There is no such thing as an objective observer and a centrist does not purport to be at equi=distance from any old position. I mean, what would be a "centrist" point between eliminationist antisemitism and Zionism? Between KKK and Martin Luther King?

A centrist is not ideologically motivated. He/she estimates what compromises can be made that are sustainable, and ethical and meet the wants of both parties without endangering their life or future prosperity.

Sari Nusseibeh is a Palestinian centrist. Centrists of different nations and persuasions can talk to each other and arrive at mutual understanding and agreements.

I have great pity for Palestinian kids. Much much much more than you profess for them. If you had any compassion for them you would appeal to their responsible adults and plead with them to stop doing what they are doing to them:

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2009/05/national_geographic_surprises.html

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=28408_Video-_Hamas_Killer_Bee_Child_Abuse#comments

George said...

"Antisemitism and bigotry come in all shapes, sizes and flavours. It is quite a shock for me to come to this blog and encounter the nearly automatic loathing of Jews (and by association, Israel) presented by some of the commenters here."

Another Zionist canard, treat all criticism of Israel as anti-semitic. Shit man, with the amount of intellectual dishonesty in your posts you might find yourself with an editorial column in the New York Times. Tom Friedman better watch his ass, there's a new ignorant 'centrist' in town.

Shady_Grady said...


Irishman Shane Dillon arrived back in Dublin airport last night via Frankfurt on a Lufthansa flight after being deported from Israel.

Mr Dillon was first mate on the Challenger 1 which was among the six-strong flotilla stopped by Israeli commandos. A second Irish citizen, Isam Ben Ali, is expected to return home within the next 24 hours.

Mr Dillon demanded the Israeli government lift its controversial blockade and allow the Rachel Corrie to deliver aid to Gaza.

Last night, describing the dramatic moments the Challenger 1 came under attack, Mr Dillon said the ship was surrounded by blacked-out vessels and helicopters before armed forces launched an assault at close range with stun guns and high-powered paintball pellets.

“I wouldn’t call them soldiers, they are terrorists,” said the 36-year-old. “They attacked us in international waters. That was a pure act of piracy in international waters on a peace fleet.”

He denied accusations activists had weapons on board the ships. “The weapons the Israelis displayed were cooking knives, a hammer. This was a big merchant ship, of course it’s going to have a hammer, of course it’s going to have galley knives,” he said.

He said that, despite a wound to his left arm from a Taser, he was treated better than most activists because he was a member of the crew. “There was one girl, she was only young, a Belgian girl, she had a broken nose,” he said. “One of the leaders from the Free Gaza Organisation, he was beaten on the deck of the ship.

“They smashed our stern door which is glass and they beat some of the girls and pushed them around the deck. They weren’t friendly with them at all.

“We didn’t expect it to be so severe and a severe loss of life. That was just ridiculous, it’s very sad,” he continued. “My heart goes out to the brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers and the families of those who died.”


http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0602/breaking5.html

Thrasher said...

FN's own words"...I am a defender of the Jewish people..' And out of the same mouth FN slanders others by claiming some have made up thier minds already...!!!!

FN you are losing me on this one..Your bagel breath is in the air.....lol,lol,lol

Yet I have no problem with you or anyone having an opinion cause I have one as well...

maria said...

israel has rejected calls for in an independent, international investigation. what does that tell you, field?

Shady_Grady said...

Other eyewitnesses (notice some of them are white Christians so perhaps the Islamophobes may pay attention) also confirm beatings and violence.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10206802.stm

Again, the point of non-violent direct action is not only to change the policy (in this case the blockade of Gaza) but also to draw attention to the violence of the offending party. It is easier to justify violence, when the victims are "other" and/or no one is looking. But when the victims are "First World" citizens and it's in the open, it's not so easy.

Dragon Horse said...

Hathor:

I know the history well:

"Many Jews had nowhere else to go after the war but to Israel. The US made it very clear that they were not wanted in the US."

They could have stayed in Europe. Did you get a country or even land after slavery?

No.

What state did Gypsies get? They were in concentration camps and still live pathetic even today.

No, the answer is simple. Make Europe deal with its anti-Semitic, trend toward fascism, as black did with whites in America.

Nothing changes when you pack up and leave.

Imagine if all blacks in the 1920's moved to Liberia, do you think America would be better for it? NO.

Europeans promote all this multi-culturalism but they are hypocrites, they don't live it. They can't integrate Muslims. They ethnically cleansed areas of Europe after WWII, to make homogeneous states, but Europeans can't even live in a nation like Yugoslavia (less than 10 ethnic groups) but stand on a high horse demanding Nigerians all get along, etc (over 200 groups).

The Palestinians and the Israeli state, were to be made, but the Palestinians had no voice in the matter. TI was the British, the French, the Americans, and the Zionist, they had a seat at the table. The Palestinians rejected the settlement. The British wanted more time, which is why the Israelis started committing terrorist acts, like blowing up the King David Hotel, so they could get the British out and ethnically cleanse certain areas of Arabs, to have a strong state.

Sorry, yes, I know half of Jews in Europe were killed, but the idea that genocide was somehow unusual in warfare before WWII is ahistorical, ask the Armenians, ask the Mongols what the Qing Dynasty did to them, ask the Tibetans, asked the Uighurs, ask the Fins what Russians did to them...it goes on and on. Jews are not special, the only thing that was special was the raw number and the German efficiency.

Go ask the Gypsies where their state is.

Dragon Horse said...

The Contentious Centrist:

Oh I never denied that Arabs did not immigrate, but your source did not talk about what % of the Arab population these people made up.

The "Palestinians" were lost to history? No.

That is like saying the Egyptians were lost to history, I think you misunderstand.

Just because you adopted another langauge and religion does not change your genes.

if I started speaking Arabic and I become Muslim am I not African American.

Most Arabs in the Middle East ARE NOT directly related to tribal Arabs that left the Arabian Peninsula with Islam. They acculterated.

Just as Greeks and Armenians in Anatolia "became Turkic" by adopting Islam and changing their names. Which is why Autaturch had blond hair and blue eyes...

He definitely was not Mongoloid like the Turks in Central Asia and Western Mongolia. LOL

Egyptian history is well recorded and we know very well the slow process of Arabization. This also happened in Syria.

Or you think there were enough Arabs in that desert region in 7th century Arabia do a "population replacement" of the middle east.

As far as the cries of antisemitism in order to try to shut people down, please spare me. It has not effect on me. I have Jewish friends, I don't equate being anti-Israeli government with being anti-Jewish, that is a clever blow to keep people quiet, and it is getting old. You think that makes me sympathetic trying to brow beat me with charges of discrimination and use my ethnicity as some reason why I should stop thinking rationally. You must have a quite low opinion of African Americans to come in here with that B.S.

Anonymous said...

Europeans promote all this multi-culturalism but they are hypocrites, they don't live it. They can't integrate Muslims


Of course they can't. Those European countries are liberal democracies trying to assimilate muslims who have no use for western democracy.

Smashed The Tiny Black Box said...

I've known both Muslims and Jews and none met the evil stereotypes spoon fed to the masses. Like the rest of us, they want to hit the snooze button in the morning during the work week.

Really, I refuse to take sides in this. Video can be edited. People lie to the press which chooses not to investigate anything.

I understand completely why Israel was formed and likewise understand the Palestinian rage. The people at the top of the chain (religious, political, economical) are the only ones that benefit from ongoing conflict. I wish that America would just stay out of it. The conflict can only be resolved by the people directly involved.

Thrasher said...

Jesus was a Black jew so why do to many white jews call me a 'schwarza aka nigger' when I dare to have an opinion about racism in Isreal and in many jewish venues here in America???

Thrasher said...

BTW I have also been attacked by to many Muslims as well...They have called me nigger in arabic...I will get the spelling and post it...

ALi was right of course the VC never called me a nigger....

Anonymous said...

Blacks in the Middle East haven't been assimilated either, far from it.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2009-01-18-iraqobama_N.htm

Anonymous said...

Val said...
It really doesn't matter what Israel does, it could have sunk that ship, because nothing serious is ever done in response to what Israel does. Israel knows that and so does everyone else.


They should have sunk that ship. It was full of Al qaeda and weapons, and the whole world we be better off if it was at the bottom of the sea.

Anonymous said...

Thrasher said...

"ALi was right of course the VC never called me a nigger...."


I've been there dude - they call you niggers. If you want to see real racism, go to Southeast Asia or China.

Anonymous said...

Jesus was a Black jew so why do to many white jews call me a 'schwarza aka nigger' when I dare to have an opinion about racism in Isreal and in many jewish venues here in America???......................
Scharz is the color black not nigger as you stated

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"I've been there dude - they call you niggers. If you want to see real racism, go to Southeast Asia or China."

Or Arabia, for that matter. They are still trafficking slaves today around the Persian Gulf.

Anonymous said...

Scharz is the color black not nigger as you stated

12:11 PM
*SCHWARZ
I dont know how they call black in yiddish but it may be SCHWARZA.

Anonymous said...

So how were nine Palestinian supporters murdered? By paint gun?

I'm going to continue to get my info for the Israeli perspective from here and not some misinformed Americans who are either blind Israel supporters or anti-semites.

http://www.haaretz.com/

I urge you to read the opinion pieces. Notwithstanding the racism of all stripes in the comments sections, the official commenary is more balanced than anything you will read in the US press or on this blog about the topic.

no_slappz said...

As always, muslims never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Believe what you want, but the muslim world is mainly focused on self-destruction or spreading their self-destructive religion/totalitarianism as far and wide as possible.

Why is there an ounce of support for countries that have reduced women to chattel? Countries that practice female genital mutilation? Countries that permit honor killings of females who are seen in the company of males who are not their husbands, fathers or brothers?

Countries that have a legal system that is as hostile to non-muslims as Jim Crow laws were to blacks?

Try importing Bibles into a muslim country. Try establishing a church? Try a little proselytizing?

Hey, try opening a bar. How about kissing in public, even if the two people are a married couple?

Stand on a street corner in Riyadh and hand out cartoons of muhammad.

Mark Twain traveled through "Palestine" and afterwards had nothing good to say about muslims.

And by the way, those muslims who live in muslim countries invent nothing, create nothing, build nothing and despise those who do.

1,400 years of self-defeating muslim antics make the point.

Gunmetal said...

FN, this is great I'm appreciating the commentary on this subject and I respect your standpoint, I'm on the side lines as usual.

mellaneous said...

Brother Field looks like you got folks talking on this issue. I have to admit that I was surprised at the source you used to dismiss the Turkish aide ships. I am a little shocked that you would use that Phillips women as a source.

I'm hoping that you really look at both sides of this conflict.

There are some things that have been said by you that really surprised me.

MlK would not have rethought religion he was well aware of the problem with religion per se. He however subscribed to a just and liberationist view of God, not a religious one.

And imagine that MLK having a conversation with CF the most vile, insensitive, uncaring, unconscious human being we encounter on your blog.

Mlk also said injustice anywhere is a threat to justic everywhere.

Anonymous said...

"Mlk also said injustice anywhere is a threat to justic everywhere."

Genocidal religious fascists are a threat to everyone.

Islam is not just a religion, it is also a political and a legal system. The spiritual side of Islam is deserving of the tolerance and respect we cherish for religious expression. The politcal aspect, which seeks to impose the Sharia legal code on the whole world, needs to fought with all of the free world's resources. Sharia is a deeply oppressive system at fundamental odds with all other cultures. Proponents of "Islamism" are killing Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists all over the world. They are ethnically cleansing Black peoples across North Africa. If the Palestinians want "justice", they need to disavow any alliance with the forces of Islamism.

mellaneous said...

Field no matter what position folks take and I take the side of those who are oppressed. And no matter how you want to view it the West Bank and Gaza are occupied territories noone disputes that. I think that would qualify them as being oppressed.

There are some things that are beyond dispute however Brother Field you can read about most of this in the Isreali newspaper Haaretz.

-Those who want to say that being opposed to the policies of the Israeli government is anti-semitic are just wrong and they know it.

-the damage done to Gaza after the Isreali incursion.

- Hamas has failed to recognize Israels right to exist

- Hamas has fired rockets into Israel which has killed Isrealis

- Israel has bombed the occupied territories with fighter jets causing much more than ten times the amount of casualties and destruction as the Hamas rockets.

- Isreal has set up checkpoints whose very existence is humiliating to the Palestinians and they are daily harrassed by many (not all) hateful Isreali soldiers

- it was Israel not Hamas that ignored the last ceasfire.

-the term Israel and Jew are not interchangeable.

- there were other people on the land in 1948 when Israel declared themselves a nation, who were not Jewish.

-the early Zionist used terrorism against the British and then the indigenous population(call them by whatever name you like but there were other human beings living on the land who were not Jews)

- Zionist theorists and ideologues were well that there were other people in Palestine besides Jews and according to Theodore Herzyl they should be bought off and failing that the Zionist should figure out a way to remove them

- the hatred is on both sides. Many Isrealis hate the Palestinians/Arabs and many Palestinians/Arabs hate the Isrealis.

- the Palestinian ability to sustain themselves has been limited by Israeli interference with their crops, their water, their utilities, even their ability to work. The Isrealis have even limited some educational opportunities and bombed some of the schools.(see George and Purple Cows posts)

- The Arab world sold out the Palestinians and continue to do so

- Arafat was a scoundrel yet he was the leader of the Palestinian people and did his best to advance their cause in spite of his character issues.

And the bottom line Field is that Israel has made it clear that they are really not interested in a two state solution to the conflict.

In fact anyone who is honest would have to admit that it appears that Israel is not really interested in a just solution to this situation or whatever term you want to use.

But Field you have to acknowledge that what is going on is not right, and that Palestinian efforts to defend themselves is hardly equal to what Israel is doing to retaliate.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]MlK would not have rethought religion he was well aware of the problem with religion per se. He however subscribed to a just and liberationist view of God, not a religious one.

And imagine that MLK having a conversation with CF the most vile, insensitive, uncaring, unconscious human being we encounter on your blog.

Mlk also said injustice anywhere is a threat to justic everywhere.
[/quote]

Mellaneous:

My level of contemptuousness is only surpassed by your own.

If you believed in the same fight against "Injustice Anywhere" you would go make some picket signs and PROTEST OUTSIDE OF THE DETROIT NAACP and agitate them into OPENING THEIR BIGOTED EYES to the MASSIVE INJUSTICE that is taking place through the city of Detroit and other cities that the MACHINE THAT THEY HELPED PUT INTO POWER RULE.

Oakland, Newark are reported on. Detroit, Philly, Atlanta and Cleveland COULD HAVE BEEN added to the list.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C36N85_7fLM

Take the yellow slim out of your eye Mellaneous.

Anonymous said...

"- Arafat was a scoundrel yet he was the leader of the Palestinian people and did his best to advance their cause in spite of his character issues."

Arafat was a vile murderer, and only an ant-semite could praise him lioke that.

uptownsteve said...

no_slappz

Are you Jewish?

Just curious.

Anonymous said...

Field, in one of your earlier responses you mentioned that you have read up on Jews. I would like to know what books so that i can compare it with my list.

At least 80% of your fellow bloggers disagree with you,so I would like to know how you developed your way of thinking.

Although there is one book I wounder if you did read, "ISREAL IN THE BLACK AMERICAN PERSPECTIVE" RICHARD G. WEISBORD & RICHARD KAZARIAN JR.

IMB

mellaneous said...

CF what are you talking about if I would picket anyone or anything it would be this system that you love so much that is the ultimate cause of the poverty and problems in Detroit and elsewhere.

I thought you said you talked to MLK surely he would have reminded you or this!

Lola Gets said...

Yeah, youre wrong on this one, Field. I am no anti-Semite, but there is no reason to treat a group of people this unjustly - for so long!

L

The Contentious Centrist said...

Dragon Horse, I haven't been able to understand your comment or what it has to do with my own comments. All this racial information flew right over my head. You seem very adept in this subject of races and what not.

____________

Palestinians ought to learn that compromise is not a dirty word. They ought to think about their children's future. All they need to do in order to get everything you people think they are after is just stop pursuing a violent agenda, stop killing Israelis, stop wanting and planning to kill Israelis. It's that simple, really. How hard can it be, to stop wanting to kill Israeli Jews?

no_slappz said...

How anyone in the US can support the Hamas government of the Gaza Strip, with its stated goal of destroying Israel and driving all Jews out of the region is beyond rationality.

By the way, if Israel were a Christian stronghold, muslims would act in the same murderous, but inept manner.

It's obvious that killing 3,000 Americans, largely Christians, brought more death and destruction to the muslim world than they believed possible.

Interestingly, Iraq is no longer a hot news story. I wonder why? Maybe a lot of those Iraqis are finding they like their new freedoms and how they can now do things that were once prohibited for no sane reason.

The biggest fear among middle-east despots is the possibility of this desire for freedom catching on.

jane d said...

FN- maybe I missed something but that photo you posted with this story "For world peace kill Jews" where wa it that this old crone hold up this sign?
I saw footage from a pro-Palestinian protest in FL a year ago when a headscarfed Muslim woman kept shouting "Put the Jews in the oven!" over and over. It made my blood boil cause while this woman was not arrested (or even asked to stop) someone in my city had recently been arrested and charged with harrassment and "ahte crime" for telling a Muslim immigrant "go back to where you come from".
I do not believe there is anywhere in the world you can hold up signs like this about Muslims "For world peace kill Muslims" without being swiftly carted away by the police.

Thrasher said...

The yiddish term schwarza has morphed into a term for calling Blac folks nigger...Just like the term 'gay" no longer has its orginal meaning nor does the yiddish term 'schwarza" ..

Today modern white jews invoke the term often when they have contempt for Black folks when we of course are not in the room or in earshot..

Thrasher said...

FN's loyalty oath to white jewish people is not a newsflash many Black folks for a number of reasons have partnered woth jewish people...

Yet it is also true that many Black people have also understood that as whites in America the jewish people take on the same cultural racist attitudes towards Blacks as well...

In America to often white jewish people deflect Black folks to indict WASPS when in reality white jews engaged in the same contempt for Black folks...

FN's Black apologist posturing is probably centered with a number of objectives including professional and political reasons..

Of course FN will be on the end of a white jew calling him a nigger in yiddish and then he will stop genuflecting once that nigger cadence in yiddish insults his ears..

Anonymous said...

Thrasher- nothing more laughable that a black man who thinks he knows Yiddish better than those who speak it. You are ignorant.
Violent black-on-Jewish and black-on-Asain crime is widespread.
It almost never goes the other way around.
You have more attitude then brains Thrasher. Blacks have treated Jews, Asians, Hispanics, women, gays and even African immigrants like dog shit then complain it is the other way. There is a common denominator and it is YOU.
I'll be looking for your ebonic-yiddish dictionary at finer bookstores soon.
You are a minstral show.

Anonymous said...

"Of course FN will be on the end of a white jew calling him a nigger in yiddish and then he will stop genuflecting once that nigger cadence in yiddish insults his ears.."

I've heard blacks call Jews "kike",
I've heard blacks call gays "faggot"
I've heard blacks call Asians "gook"
but never heard anyone from either of these 3 groups call a black person a "nigger". Perhaps that is what you want Trasher. I think you want to provoke racism in order to justify that you are a white sheet wearing black male. The worse hate crimes against Jews and Asians have been by blacks, not the other way around.

Thrasher said...

Only cowards post as Anonymous and I love having the skills to get them to react to my posts..lol,lol,lol,

Please spare me the myth about Black on jewish and Black , Or Black on asian crime stats that is a new one..lol,lol,lol What happened to standard tired soundbite of Black on Black crime..

BTW Jewish folks are not the only people who understand yiddish but you knew that already you are just upset that I have revealed and gone public with the nasty little racist jewish secret that in many jewish venues, homes etc that white jews invoke the term"schwarza" when they seek to call a black person a nigger in yiddish..

Now deal with this truth you intellectual coward...

M. Rigmaiden said...

Contentious Centrist your very handle is a misnomer you are not a centrist at all. And your biased support of Palestinian oppression is obvious. Criticism of Israeli foreign policy does not make someone a bigot or anti Semite. And you well know that.

You are just here to monitor what people say and try to get a rise out of them. Puleeze. Get over yourself and get the plank out of your own eyes before talking about the dust in mine.

If you cared about human beings, you would be appalled at the violence levied against innocent people regardless of their location OR ideology.

Dragon Horse Black slaves did get Liberia as a US governmental response to their plight after slavery. And to this day Liberia is still having problems. Just. Like. Israel. You can't just settle people in a place where others live already and not expect repercussions.

To humor you CF, I've said absolutely nothing about Palestinian leadership because that isn't the issue. Shit you believe in blaming the victim for his misfortunes. I believe in trying to help the victim get out of the mess.

See the difference? Don't blame the children and innocents who've been slaughtered on Palestinian leadership when the world is truly to blame for their suffering on many levels. Same with the children in Iraq who at one point had the highest infant mortality rate in the so called civilized world due to UN blocades and sanctions.

I don't believe in War Damnet! War is a tool by elite fucks to exploit poor saps who have no control over much.

And Centrist, if you were really an honest person you'd feel the same. There's NEVER justification for nations to war because usually the conflict is between powerful individuals or small groups NOT an entire nation.

Thrasher said...

This is what cowards like Anonymous are cowards when they post nonsense like" I never heard Jews, Asians, Gays invoke the term nigger towards Black folks..SUch angeles these people are they never say anything bad about negroes,coloreds and Black folks..lol,lol,lol

Next you will be telling us that Columbus discovered America....You dumb fuck..get lost you stinkin intellectual coward..lol,lol,lol

M. Rigmaiden said...

Anonymous you are a liar and a fool. In California, the term nigger is bandied about like the air we breathe. MOST people that use that term are not Black btw.

And speaking of hate crimes of other minorities against Blacks, didn't you hear about the Asian boy who assaulted the Black man at Chico State? Called him a NIGGER and all types of stuff. This is being prosecuted as a hate crime.

Dumb asses always trying to skew the discussion to allay their own inadequacies.

"The Chico Police Department said they arrested 19-year-old Barry Sayavong for attempted murder after witnesses identified him as the man who brutally attacked 23-year-old Joseph Igbineweka"

Thrasher said...

On a certain level it is tragic observing FN pay such homage to white jewish people in our nation ..I thought we were pass that state where we had to genuflect and recite loyalty oaths to white folks to validate our worth publically...

I don't think FN has been objective at all when his very first posts are oaths and declarations his need to defend jewish people...We get in FN..We really do..

Thrasher said...

I hope next time any ethic group has an issue in the marketplace instead of posturing and reciting his loyalty FN will just provide us with this usual threshold insights and strong analysis..

FN has disappointed me with his bias here ..I did not expect it at all coming from FN...

Anonymous said...

Hey FN, did you get your check as yet?

M. Rigmaiden said...

Given Dragon Horse's commentary on the Turkish genocide of the Armenians last century, it is interesting indeed that FN would say something about the Turks...

Anonymous said...

Black America, Corporate Media and the Siege of Gaza
by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon


After seizing control of the boats, and murdering at least nine civilians in the process, the Israeli soldiers took the boats to an Israeli port and arrested the crew and passengers. Journalists were stripped of cameras, notes and recording devices, and all are being held incommunicado in an apparent effort to give fake US and Israeli government accounts of the incident a few days head start in the media.
Using military blockades to besiege and starve civilian populations for political or warlike objectives is wildly immoral and flatly illegal, a violation of the United Nations Charter. Thanks to the disciplined effort of US corporate media, the brutal blockade of Gaza imposed by the US and its client states of Israel and Egypt is largely invisible to the US public. You will search US media pretty much in vain for the accounts of journalists who live in or who make their way to Gaza, for the damning UN figures on homelessness and malnutrition, on the collapse of health care, trade, education and employment in the besieged zone where half the population is under the age of 15.
Gaza is being punished for the unforgivable sin of rejecting the US and Israeli-sponsored candidates for local office. Having elected candidates not to the liking of the US and Israel, their populations are to be denied food, medical supplies and the like until they come to their senses and choose leaders more to the liking of the US and Israel. This was US foreign policy under George W. Bush, and it continues unchanged and reaffirmed under Barack Obama, despite some lofty words in Cairo and some other places.
Over the last year or so, civilians from dozens of countries, including the US have put together convoys of schoolbooks, food, medical supplies, clothing and trade goods. They have set out for Gaza overland in trucks and were barred at checkpoints often two or three countries away, or by the actual Egyptians and Israelis guarding the gates of Gaza, now the planet's largest open air prison. Activists have collected donations and loaded planes with relief supplies, planes that were denied permission to land anywhere near Gaza, and which were threatened with shoot-down by the Israeli air force. And on at least three or four previous occasions, shiploads of concrete, construction materials, medical goods, food and such have tried to run the blockade by sea. Our own Cynthia McKinney, the former congressional representative from Atlanta took part in one of those efforts. Along with volunteers from several countries, she was arrested by Israeli authorities, confined for a few days in an Israeli prison and deported.
A full scale Israeli military assault at the end of 2008 devastated poultry, dairy and vegetable farms, hospitals, factories, bakeries, along with water and sewage infrastructure and hundreds of buildings. Now a brutal act of slow motion genocide is in progress, engineered by the US, Israel and Egypt. People are literally dying in Gaza who don't have to because of decisions made and reaffirmed by our First Black President to continue the illegal collective punishment of the people of Gaza.

Read the resthttp://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=content/black-america-corporate-media-and-siege-gaza

Anonymous said...

"Jewish folks are not the only people who understand yiddish but you knew that already you are just upset that I have revealed and gone public with the nasty little racist jewish secret that in many jewish venues, homes etc that white jews invoke the term"schwarza" when they seek to call a black person a nigger in yiddish.."


You ARE a minstral show Thrasher.
Schwarza means "black" no more or less. Nothing funnier than a black person trying to lecture Jews on yiddish. Get a life bloodsucker. That is all you are, a little black bloodsucker

Anonymous said...

Yeah, "Field" has blown this one. FAIL. And as was mentioned earlier? Note the silence of his normal supporters. I don't blame them. I go silent when my beloved peers publicly go off the tracks. Now, I WILL take them bandages and a cool drink later, as they'll need it when the smoke clears. But, undoubtedly, off the tracks they WENT.

"Granny" and Field's Other Regulars? Good luck.

The Contentious Centrist said...

FN: I'm afraid you have some very incoherent posters commenting on your blog. It must be very frustrating.

"FN's loyalty oath to white jewish people is not a newsflash many Black folks for a number of reasons have partnered woth jewish people..."

Quite amazing, considering how historically Jews stood alongside African-Americans in their struggle for civil rights. Even more amazing when this is done on behalf of Arab nations, who are arguably the most openly racist against Blacks these days. What can account for this perversion, I wonder?

"'Al-Quds Al-Arabi' Editor Abd Al-Bari Atwan:

"What a paradox this is. In the U.S., not only is the change of power carried out by peaceful means, but there is [now] a black president - [who came] from the lowest ranks of society to the top.

"If Obama was in an Arab country, like Saudi Arabia or one of the Gulf states, they might have required him to have a 'guarantor' [like any foreign worker]. Under no circumstances - even if he died - would they have given him citizenship. They'd say to him: You are a slave, you are black, you need a 'guarantor,' you are a Kenyan, and your origins are unknown.

"I'm sad to say that we Arabs are the epitome of racism. Look at the foreign [workers] in the Gulf - they have no rights. These workers demonstrate, demanding to be placed 10, rather than 20, in a room, demanding to be transported in buses like human beings, rather than in trucks like beasts.

"We are the epitome of racism, and I believe that Obama will demand that these Arab countries carry out reforms: First, to abolish the 'guarantor' system, and then to grant rights not only to the blacks, but even to the Arabs themselves, to the whites. The whites in the Arab world are humiliated. Unless you have the 'holy' citizenship of a certain country - you are humiliated.

"Obama should impose the American model of equality, rights, and opportunities on all the Arab countries."

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1906.htm.

Anonymous said...

annon 4:47

HAVE YOU LOST YOUR FOOL MIND!!!!

Ms. Ann G. Myma said...

Sorry Mr. Field. I have no love left for Israel.



Excerpt:

Since September 2000, Israel killed more than 6,300 Palestinians, most of whom were children and defenseless civilians. Israel has also demolished more than 25,000 Palestinian homes since 1967. It possess up to 200 nuclear warheads in violation of the United Nations Security Council resolution 487. Interestingly, it receives something around $7 million of military aid from the U.S. per day. Seven thousand three hundred eighty-three Palestinians are being kept in the prisons of Israel. The racist regime of Israel has built 223 settlements on the Palestinians' confiscated lands. Over the six-year period between September 2000 and February 2006, 36,589 Palestinians were injured by the Israeli forces of whom 3,530 Palestinians were permanently disabled or maimed. Shockingly, this six-year period was witness to the confiscation of 249,680 km of Palestinian lands. Israeli forces even refused to overlook the Palestinian trees as they uprooted 1,187,762 Palestinian trees from 2000 to 2006. This shows the nature of the brutal regime of Israel which is even at odds with the natural resources and trees, let alone the human beings.

con't
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_5950.shtml

Anonymous said...

FN got a isreali chick on the side blinding him. This how you sex hungry man negros roll.

Anonymous said...

Aunt Jemima said:
"Since September 2000, Israel killed more than 6,300 Palestinians, most of whom were children and defenseless civilians."

Lies repeated by a fool. Why don't you go offer up a prayer to Saint Pancake?

Anonymous said...

C C

It should also be noted that both Africans & African Americans have been betrayed by jews (1) by their support of The south african regine and the bakke case in america.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
C C

"It should also be noted that both Africans & African Americans have been betrayed by jews (1) by their support of The south african regine and the bakke case in america"

Betrayed? South African Blacks were better off under Apartheid.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]To humor you CF, I've said absolutely nothing about Palestinian leadership because that isn't the issue. Shit you believe in blaming the victim for his misfortunes. I believe in trying to help the victim get out of the mess.[/quote]

I love you too MR and there is nothing you can do about it.

BLAMING THE VICTIM?

MR - long ago when I used to work for the city government I had the misfortune of managing a female who was in a long running battle with my boss. I was trapped in the middle - trying to productively DO MY JOB, lead the group FORWARD - all the while staying out of the BULL SH** that was going around me in this government organization.

All the while I would coax my boss to back off and allow me to handle things. Let me make the environment a "learning environment" so that the people who I was responsible for could focus on this rather than grievances.

MR - Every time this female threw a SUCKER PUNCH at my manager - all of my efforts to mediate were dashed. She teamed up with OTHER people who didn't like my manager, conspiring to derail him in a number of different ways.

So you see MR - "THE VICTIM" undercuts his own position once he takes out the knife that he is carrying in his pant leg and SLASHES his "oppressor" when he lets down his guard and comes close enough to receive a hand shake.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]CF what are you talking about if I would picket anyone or anything it would be this system that you love so much that is the ultimate cause of the poverty and problems in Detroit and elsewhere.[/quote]

Mellaneous back when the School District Of Philadelphia had more quality schools I learned in Physics that it is SCIENTIFICALLY INCORRECT to speak in terms of "Hot and Cold". HEAT is transferred between matter. Thus there is HEAT and ABSENCE OF HEAT.

I ask that you reframe your argument.

The default state of man is POVERTY. WEALTH is a man made construct.

Thus there is placement within a SYSTEM that GENERATES WEALTH and then there are those who are DEPOSITIONED outside of a system that generates WEALTH.

How do you "MAKE SOMEONE POOR" Mellaneous? You can only SUPPRESS their ability to use their God given talents in producing WEALTH.

You might dismiss this as a "distinction without a difference' but IF YOU did adopted this notion some of the corners that you paint yourself in per your ideological entrenchment might be resolved.

Thus instead of EMPLOYER you should use "Consumer of Labor". This would allow you to gain more RESPECT about the DELICATE BALANCE of INTERESTS that are involved in the transaction. This would potentially blunt your leftist, confiscatory streak that is contained within you.

mellaneous said...

CF why do you equate justice with confiscation? Is because you know those who have acquired much more than they should have somehow confiscated it.

BTW a justice and social justice streak that runs down my back.

CF said you said:

"How do you "MAKE SOMEONE POOR" Mellaneous? You can only SUPPRESS their ability to use their God given talents in producing WEALTH."

For someone who is always decrying this when someone of color does it to their neighbor. The answer is STEALING. But thats of course not what the rich folks do when they take your labor and don't give you back what you put in.

You strain at gnats and swallow whole camels while defending the indefensible and that is the EVIL of unfettered capitalism.

As a Christian you should know that it is sinful to defend evil especially over against the needs of the poor and the oppressed.

Anonymous said...

Jody, "What??? This action was taken by ISRAEL, not "the jewish people."

What you said in response to the above point (which I whole heartedly agree with) makes absolutely no sense. You framed your argument as Jewish People and Israel being synonymous. They are not. The demo in Philly protesting this action by Israel, was in part organized by Jewish Voice for Peace and Jews for Justice. IN ISRAEL, Bat Shalom and other organizations are condemning this action by their own government. They key here is this was a government, military action. Not an action of "The Jewish People."

Please stop using Jewish People as a descriptor of Israel."

Jody: It just goes to prove that Field's claim of 'in-depth studying' of Israel and the Arabs did not sink in. His ignorance of Jewish people and Israel is astonishing. But his intention is meant to be harmless to both Israel and Jews.

Nevertheless, I must restate a quote from MLK because Field is clearly the kind of person Rev King was talking about:

"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than 'sincere' ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Today modern white jews invoke the term often when they have contempt for Black folks when we of course are not in the room or in earshot..[/quote]

Hey Thrasher:

If I gathered a crowd of 10 Black people in a room and we TALKED ABOUT you like a dog - could we as Black people ever say anything about YOU that hurts you as much as an anonymous group of Jews or White folks would bother you?

Is it that these Jews are superior to you? Or that the words from Black folks are inferior in their ability to hurt you?

Anonymous said...

jackass anon said... "Betrayed? South African Blacks were better off under Apartheid."

Thats like saying an orphaned child is better off living with a child molester.

Anonymous said...

Betrayed? South African Blacks were better off under Apartheid---------------------------------------
As an African i can tell you one thing ,the white settlers in Africa are lucky sofar that we didnt give them their change and i hope the Palestinians will not be so kind to the Israelis.

Anonymous said...

About those weapons?

On the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs’ Flickr page, the pictures of the so-called weapons seized on the ships taking part in the Gaza Freedom Flotilla provide ample evidence of the deviousness of those darned anti-semitic terrorists. Be forewarned: the following pictures are not for the faint-hearted.

Exhibit A: bulletproof vests

A slight snag though: two commentators, probably anti-semitic, point out that this photo really is from February 2006:

Blue says: In addition, IsraelMFA has to be careful with the date settings of their cameras! This picture looks like it was taken on Feb 7, 2006.. Wth?

goplayer2008 says:
EXIF data

Date and Time (Modified): 2010:06:02 10:37:58
YCbCr Positioning: Co-sited
Exposure Program: Aperture-priority AE
Date and Time (Original): 2006:02:07 04:49:57
Date and Time (Digitized): 2006:02:07 04:49:57

You can see the rest here:

http://ibnkafkasobiterdicta.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/gaza-flotilla-how-israels-ministry-of-foreign-affairs-fakes-photos-of-seized-weapons/

And you might want to check here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7545636.stm

for the BBC's guide to Gaza under blockade.

Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, in 2006. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said.

One-half the population of Gaza is under 18 years of age. Such compassion!

Anonymous said...

Field, your fan club of BD, Granny, Uts, and LA have gone underground. In addition, Mellaneous, Maria and Jody who have stood by you on just about everything could not in good conscience support your ass on Israel.

Field, you mentioned that you are 'rarely' wrong. Well, that 'rare' moment is here. Now is the time to develop some healthy humility. I know it feels like humiliation but that is because an over-inflated ego always feel that way when a little air is let out.

Give it up, Field. Admit your error. BTW, I am enjoying watching your ego get creamed.:)

I would include CF, but he has been defending himself against you and your liberal progressive fan club for 'so long' that his ego has become strong and impenetrable, and far more "balanced" than yours.

I bet CF is secretly enjoying watching you squirm and shrill. Actually, you owe CF because he has been in your corner about Israel. Obviously he has taken pity on you out of concern for your fragility.

Wow. it takes a big forgiving heart-considering all the shit you have given him over the years. You might want to look into his religion and consider joining. Obviously, his church is a good one.

Since you don't believe in going on your knees to pray, make sure you write in your journal tonight. Cause Israel won't get away with its murderous actions.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]CF why do you equate justice with confiscation?[/quote]

I will from henceforth call "home invaders" and pickpockets the "pursuers of JUSTICE"


[quote] Is because you know those who have acquired much more than they should have somehow confiscated it.[/quote]

Jesus up above please help this fool that operates in your name.

Mellaneous WHO is the agent of social justice that determines those who HAVE ACQUIRED MUCH MORE THAN THEY SHOULD have?

I 1000% assure you that this person is the MOST WEALTHY set of individuals in the society as they get a cut of every transaction in your socialist scheme. After all a person who has gotten more from the Scheme than what his efforts deserve are willing to pay off those who have given them the "hook up".


[quote]BTW a justice and social justice streak that runs down my back.[/quote]

When you and Thrasher can create organic prosperity in Detroit then I will be impressed.

[quote]
For someone who is always decrying this when someone of color does it to their neighbor. The answer is STEALING.
[/quote]

Actually you have it reversed. I am looking at the "colored" VICTIM and noting how silent the typical pursuers of justice ARE when they get assaulted by a person that is not politically exploitable.


[quote]But thats of course not what the rich folks do when they take your labor and don't give you back what you put in.[/quote]

You see Mellaneous this is your problem. In the cities where your theories rule the roost there are fewer "takers of LABOR" left around to exploit you than ever. Yet I heard Judge Mathis coin the term "Corporate ABANDONMENT" in the TV one special entitled "Mean Streets". (look it up on YouTube).

It seems that after decades of "evilization" and protests against the corporate enemy - when they LEFT YOU ALL BY YOURSELF to run the city that you now control as you please - they have ABANDONED YOU.

Why don't we talk about the holistic impact of progressive policies as we talk about DDT? Yes it killed the mosquito but it also had a bunch of "unintended consequences". In my view Detroit and Trenton are the "Unintended Consequences" that show the genetic damage that the Progressive DDT has rendered upon cities.

[quote]
You strain at gnats and swallow whole camels while defending the indefensible and that is the EVIL of unfettered capitalism.[/quote]

And WHAT is running rampant these days in Benton Harbor? Enlightened Socialism?

[quote]
As a Christian you should know that it is sinful to defend evil especially over against the needs of the poor and the oppressed.
[/quote]

When a faction that has taken control over the institutions of their community and

* Are still POOR
* Still Consider themselves OPPRESSED
* And still turn around to acknowledge someone who says "Hey you LEAST OF THESE person!!1"

I start to consider what DEVIL they are possessed with that allows them to continue as such.

Anonymous said...

CF, "Jesus up above please help this fool that operates in your name."

ROFL...

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]Wow. it takes a big forgiving heart-considering all the shit you have given him over the years. You might want to look into his religion and consider joining. Obviously, his church is a good one.[/quote]

Hey Anon #125

I like Filled Negro.
Afro-Spear in an invaluable part of my research which asks the question "What is the Negro of 2010 ensnared upon ideologically?"

Though yes I am a Christian and have the duty to "fish" for Filled Negro - I also want him to join my political party:

The "Community Cultural Consciousness & Competency Development" Party.

All of the Internet is a bunch of Negroes who have only traveled outside of the country (belly of the beast) PER THE "Tom Joyner Cruise " that they took 2 years ago.

YET they are more concerned about Israel killing 9 people than they are over the fact that in Baltimore 10 people were Murdered by Street Pirates over the Memorial Day weekend.

At the end of the day Israel is on their own along with those forces surrounding them that wish to slit their throats.

I would be far more impressed IF THE SCLC in Atlanta could stop fighting amongst themselves and instead go the Negroes who are a mere 5 blocks away to stop killing each other. (And they don't even need a boat and a helicopter as a back drop for their KILLING.)

The Contentious Centrist said...

"It should also be noted that both Africans & African Americans have been betrayed by jews (1) by their support of The south african regine and the bakke case in america"

Weren't Muslims granted a status
superior to that of blacks and coloureds in South Africa during apartheid? Did they reject these privileges? Were they not complicit in enforcement of that regime by agreeing to serve on the parliament and accepting fat payments from the very regime that they are now vilifying?

Please. People who sit in glasshouses should not throw stones. Apartheid is alive and well in Arab countries. Yet here you have a few self-defined African-Americans defending the only societies that are still racist to the bone. I have to wonder, what does this mean? Where is the instinct for compassion for the murdered and raped black women and children of Darfur by Arab state-sponsored Muslim gangs? Where is the pity for the enslaved
African children in southern Sudan "well-known example of contemporary slavery. According to 1993 U.S. State Department estimates, up to 90,000 blacks are owned by North African Arabs, and often sold as property in a thriving slave trade for as little as $15 per human being.

Animist tribes in southern Sudan are frequently invaded by Arab militias from the North, who kill the men and enslave the women and children. The Arabs consider it a traditional right to enslave southerners, and to own chattel slaves (slaves owned as personal property)."

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/slavery1.html

Anonymous said...

CF, "YET they are more concerned about Israel killing 9 people than they are over the fact that in Baltimore 10 people were Murdered by Street Pirates over the Memorial Day weekend."

Oh, please. 10? 10 killed over Memorial Day weekend? I have certified that you are a good Christian. Please don't make me a liar. My ego is of the 'Field' type. I have GOT to be right.
Anon #125

The Contentious Centrist said...

Anon: Are you as concerned about this news as you are about the 9 terrorist supporters who were killed while trying to bludgeon Israeli soldiers?

"A Turkish airstrike on Kurdish rebels hideouts in northern Iraq last week killed 19 Kurdish guerrillas and left several others wounded, the state-run Anatolia news agency reported.

The military would not confirm or deny the report. The figures could not immediately be independently verified.

The agency, citing military officials, said four rebels were killed in a separate clash Wednesday in eastern Tunceli province inside Turkey, bringing the overall rebel death toll to 23 since last week's air assault on rebel camps in northern Iraq's Hakurk, Zap and Qandil Mountain regions...

The rebels have used northern Iraq to stage hit-and-run attacks on Turkish targets for decades...

Tens of thousands of people have been killed in the fighting since 1984. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/27/ap/world/main6523075.shtml

Are the Kurds any less deserving of your moral outrage?

You are suffering from the "Jerusalem syndrome":

“…On the scales of world opinion, some Muslim corpses are light as a feather, and others weigh tonnes. Two measures, two weights…. why do the 200,000 slaughtered Muslims of Darfur not arouse even half a quarter of the fury caused by 200-times fewer dead in Lebanon? Must we deduce that Muslims killed by other Muslims don’t count? This conclusion has its weak spots, because if the Russian Army - Christian, and blessed by their popes - razes the capital of Chechnian Muslims… killing tens of thousands of children in the process, this doesn’t count either. The Security Council does not hold meeting after meeting, and the Organization of Islamic States piously averts its eyes. From that we may conclude that the world is appalled only when Israelis kill a Muslim.

Should we thus presume that the public at large implicitly endorses the ideas that Ahmadinedjad shouts at the top of his lungs? And yet so many of those sceptics who display consternation over bombings in Lebanon seem shocked if you suspect them of anti-Semitism. I want to trust them. We don’t want to imagine that the entire planet is mired in anti-Jewish paranoia! But then the matter becomes even more puzzling. What is the source of this hemiplegia? Why is the world frightened by Israeli bombs alone?”

http://www.signandsight.com/features/894.html


"Where any one body of educated men, of whatever denomination, are condemned indiscriminately, there must be a deficiency of information, or...of something else." (Jane Austen)

“Any opinion that cannot be amended by the introduction of new facts is not an opinion but a prejudice.” (Benjamin Franklin)

no_slappz said...

Apparently this crew needs a spelling lesson:

Schvartze

A yiddish term for blacks. May be a slur, or not, depending on the situation. You know, all those nuanced moments.

Thrasher said...

Clearly the defensive posturing by some white jewish folks in here and the silence by FN and others of the truth that to many white jewish people in our nation call us Schvartze quite often is sad...

As I noted previously when FN and the other apologists here the cadence of nigger/schvartzeear then perhaps theywill not be silent..

Anonymous said...

Anon. 6:29

SHAME!!! SHAME!!! THE QUALITY OF YOUR LIFE MUST BE VERY EMPTY, YOUR ANALOGY IS LIKE SAYING GERMANY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT THE JEWS. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!

Thrasher said...

There is a part of me that understands why Wayne Bennett aka FN takes on this apologist posturing for Isreal...As a black immigrant from a nation that was colonized by white folks many Black folks from the islands have the same attitude of Wayne Bennett they are not nigger crazy Blackfolks like domestic US niggers like me,....


I understand Wayne's bending and need to validate and be noble for white jews it happens a lot to Black folks whose essence and culture has been castrated by whites..Unlike Wayne instead of declaring my bias for whites I simply harbor a mistrust.....

It is what it is the diease of white racism stings even hard niggers like me still..

no_slappz said...

A conflation of nuts. Let's see. Muslims devote themselves to anti-intellectual pursuits with such furious intensity they get lost on the way to establishing anything but lunatic governments obsessed with ridding the world of non-muslims.

Though these muslim governments view everyone, including their own populations, with contempt, they enjoy considerable support from non-muslims.

It seems blacks believe in muslim governments. The rapid growth of islam in Africa confirms this belief.

Even self-declared terrorist governments -- Hamas in the Gaza Strip -- enjoy the support of blacks. It must be the widespread acceptance of self-destructive behavior that pulls in the black support.

Joss said...

"Betrayed? South African Blacks
were better off under Apartheid."

When you lie down with dogs you'll get up with fleas.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Betrayed? South African Blacks were better off under Apartheid---------------------------------------
"As an African i can tell you one thing ,the white settlers in Africa are lucky sofar that we didnt give them their change and i hope the Palestinians will not be so kind to the Israelis."


White farmers in south Africa have been being murdered at an astounding rate- thousands each year. The murder rate for South Africa as a whole is the highest in the world. It is an unbelievably pathologicly violent place, on it's way to squandering it's way out of its position as sub-Saharan Africa's richest country.

Apartheid is morally indefensible, yet the quality of life was better under that amoral system than under the corrupt Marxist thugocracy that exists today.

And the Palestinians have already said what they will do if they get the upper hand: kill every Jew they can. Islam is a sick and twisted death cult.

Anonymous said...

CF, "I would be far more impressed IF THE SCLC in Atlanta could stop fighting amongst themselves and instead go the Negroes who are a mere 5 blocks away to stop killing each other. (And they don't even need a boat and a helicopter as a back drop for their KILLING.)"

Since you like Filled Negro, maybe you can convince him to start writing posts about the street pirates who need to be stopped? Just think. That would be a post worth commenting on. But I suspect he would lose his black fan club.

Not only that, he would lose his identity as a "racism chaser". He would not know himself anymore.

Thrasher said...

Anonymous,

Nobody values the comments of cowards who post under Anonymous now go to bed you coward..lol,lol,lol

Anonymous said...

Thrasher said...
Anonymous,

"Nobody values the comments of cowards who post under Anonymous now go to bed you coward..lol,lol,lol"

And you are nobody.

Are you drunk when you post, or just retarded?

Anonymous said...

Trasher, "Nobody values the comments of cowards who post under Anonymous now go to bed you coward..lol,lol,lol"

My name is Anon #125. Are you one of those "nobodys?" Judging by what people call you ("Trasher") not only are your comments not valued, you are not valued as a human being. That's worse than the N-word. LOL.

Now make go take your lithium.

Anonymous said...

Waiting for more information? From who? We have enough facts already to condemn the attack:

1. Flotilla was in International waters

2. There were no guns on any of the boats

3. There are nine people dead

4. All personal belongings, including cameras, video, communications equipment (in short, anything I the activists possessed that might incriminate the goons) was confiscated immediately

5. Eyewitness accounts so far consistently point to Israeli gun fire (warning shots, lots and lots of warning shots) as they were boarding the ship, not after they were attacked which is Israel's propaganda.

What else do you need to know?

jane doe said...

I agree modern Islam does seem like a death cult. If it were just limited to one nationality or ethnicity there would be a better case that it is due to injustices they have suffered. Yet Muslims are of all ethnicities- South and East Asian, European, African, and Arab. It is hard to believe that this sickness was caused in by the west since some of the worst problems have nothing to do with the west (such as India/Pakistan, Thailand, Indonesia). In Thialand the Muslim minority has committed many beheadings, drive by shootings, and school burnings of the Buddhist majority. If this were the Christian minority doing this to Muslims in Egypt they would have been massacred by now.
I remember supporting our intervention in Bosnia in the
1990's when Muslims claimed genocide. Now it jsut seems like Kosovo was another one of the dozens of places where Muslim seperatists were committing terrorist attacks to get yet another Muslim homeland. Do you know how few coutries this ISN'T happening in? Muslims claim that Milosevic committed genocide against them yet there is not one shread of evidence that he had any animosity towards them. NATO went in there, we gave them independence, and since then there were more hate crimes against Chistians in ONE day, then there have been in the US 9/11-present COMBINED. I'm beginning to wonder whether Milosevic didn't do in Kosovo the same thing we are doing in Afghanistan. We stopped him, Americans died, and now there is another Islamic state where relgious minorities live under siege. There was even a terrorist plot that was foiled involving some of Muslims who we took in due to their claims of genocide.

Friendlyword said...

I need more information too. Melanie Phillips may be right, hopefully there is no intentional isolation and starvation being commited by the Isreali Government. But I also dont understand why a boat that might be carrying weapons would have people fighting off Israeli Soldiers with sticks. That video sticks in my mind and I too am waiting for more information and a answer to that question. And will the the boat on it's way be attacked in the same way? The intention of the flotilla was known to far in advance for this type of attack to be necessary.

Constructive Feedback said...

[quote]"It should also be noted that both Africans & African Americans have been betrayed by jews (1) by their support of The south african regine and the bakke case in america"[/quote]

I wonder if the people who are terrorizing and killing the innocent, hard working people of South Africa TODAY could EVER be seen as an EQUAL THREAT than what the WHITE FOLKS that ran the Apartheid system were viewed as?

I wonder if the people that run the public schools that are failing to educate Black people will ever be attacked for their harm to Black people's educational interests than what Bakke is said to have done with regard to Affirmative Action?

Anonymous said...

From Ukobserver:

Field, i'm a fan but you need to read up a bit more on one of your sources.

Not only is Melanie Phillips a hater of every Muslim she sees or writes about and a proven liar she is an intelligent design supporter, and a climate change denier who in the same breath defends the false medical research of strucken off MMR liar Andrew Wakefield.

Worst of all she is a birther who repeats to some of the most virulent anti-Obama rhetoric l have ever read and urges people to link to it via sites such as Worldnutdaily and its racist editor J Farah.

This is the first article on President Obaam l read from her:

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=602

And l could see by reading it that this was a person determined to find reasons to label him dangerous as he wouldn't be following her Neo-con Zionist war-against-anyone agenda.

Mohamed said...

Very interesting discussion but many here do not have enough knowledge. First when you talk Islam you need to defne it. Sunni or even Shia Islam is not the same as the Koran. When you talk about Judaism is not the same as the Torah or Old Testament. This is because these two religions have dual revelation. The scriptures and the oral traditions that were compiled two centuries after Moses and Muhammad.

Also you need to read more about Jewish actvism. Dr Kevin Macdonald is a good place to start. And you need to read from Koranist sources. They only accept the Koran as authority.

Take care

coffee and cigarettes said...

"Muslims claim that Milosevic committed genocide against them yet there is not one shread of evidence that he had any animosity towards them."

I dont know if you realize this, but the hague tribunal was set up because of this genocide. Im sure the UN would not go through this trouble had there been "no evidence" as you claim. There were thousands upon thousands of eye witness accounts-from locals to the accounts of western reporters- documents, military plans, photographs of concentration camps, and hundreds of MASS GRAVES that have been unburied. In Srebrenica in Bosnia, 8,000 muslim men and boys were killed in the matter of a couple of days. It was a bloody war; with mass murder, mass rape and concentration camps..and the majority of these victims were muslims. This isn't made up, these are the facts.

If you can show me one day in Kosovo where thousands of people were killed because of their religion-then you may have a case. I'd also love to see your sources about Thailand, since the 'facts' above are so easily discredited im sure most other claims you make are hyperbole.

Not that muslims have been totally innocent in the world, muslims have been oppressors too. thats a fact aswell. but so have christians, hindus, and even the lovely buddhist in Sri Lanka. It has nothing to do with religion but human nature.

Since you're an expert on islamic extremism, why don't you look up the uighurs in China and how they've been fighting their oppression peacefully led by Rebiya Kadeer, who is currently in exile. Or why don't you actually read up on the history of the former yugoslavia and realize that the muslims, who were so like their neighbours that you could only tell them apart by their names, were victims of Europe's biggest genocide since WWII.

Yes this isn't about a single ethnicity. Religious extremism comes in all forms and sizes.Islamic extremism is pretty new-it has not been around forever and it will not be around forever. I would love to educate you about the difference between mainstream islam and wahhabi extremism. but im guessing you're the kind of person that already has their mind made up; and facts or common humanity really don't matter.


Oh and no_slapzz..you have no shame. I would be intellectually embarrased to claim absurd half-truths and outright lies as facts the way you do. 80% of the shit you say i can discredit without even having to look up sources. That is the end of my discussion with you

Anonymous said...

I'm flagging this 'blog' as it is racist.

Anonymous said...

CF

Don't wonder, some of what you think might be true. However, that was not the point, read what the comment I was responding to and then reply.

Understand this sometimes comes thru confusion, because it hides what is really going on.

With regard to education, in nyc who controls the educational system, and why is it that mainly in minority communities that the larger problems occur.

Anonymous said...

Field negro my arse...Ur such hypocrite....I come to ur blog religiously looking for ur unbalanced and rational take on world politics...u make me laugh..think and better understand my American neighbours(im Canadian)...but after this post...I call bullshizzz..bullshizz on anything u have ever written ...bullshizz on ur character..ur have no spine...there is no fucking revolutionary bandwangon...fuck those black and white checkered scarfs....there is the truth...they boarded a humanitarian ship on international water and killed aid workers..end of story...i CANNOT believe u..seriously u suck...go kick rocks u house negro.

Zing said...

Anon said..."i CANNOT believe u..seriously u suck...go kick rocks u house negro."

Damn, Anon. It seems that your hero worship went bad for you.

That's what you get for believing anyone is infallible, and is your ideological twin.

You're not going to agree with anyone a 100% of time. And when you don't, man up, and take a stand without wailing about it, and crying foul.

You're holding field to an unrealistic standard, don't you think?

Anonymous said...

from a canadian newspaper account from canadians who were aboard flotila
"
Video released of the incident by the Israeli government appears to show some activists moving violently towards the soldiers. Israeli officials have said the footage proves its commandos acted in self-defence and that two soldiers were shot with their own weapons after the guns were wrestled away.

Burney, 37, disputed that suggestion. He said the activists who snatched the pistols away immediately removed the cartridges and tossed them.

He also accused commandos of waiting more than an hour before treating the dozens of wounded, even watching one elderly man bleed to death after being shot.

Audeh told The Canadian Press Wednesday that the night before the violent confrontation was a tense and sleepless one because activists had heard reports Israeli forces might try and "attack" the convoy.

The 37-year-old from St. Catharines, Ont., accused the soldiers of opening fire "for no reason whatsoever."

"We're a humanitarian ship, we were unarmed, we're all civilians, we had no weapons onboard," he said.

Like Neish and Burney, Audeh said he and other activists were beaten in detention"

jordiex said...
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jordiex said...

What a sad day... no field negro... just a common house negro.

!. International waters
2. People killed

What would all you house negros be saying if Iran had done the exact same thing, or Cuba, or Hugo's goverment?

how sad, how sad...Go see how the master is doing,...

Houston said...

Israel made a real stupid decision. I liken their present prime minister, Netanyahu, as G.W. Bush but without the charm. Like our good buddy, Forest Gump, might say: "stupid is as stupid does."

I'm very prejudiced towards Israel, even as it is governed by right-wing bigots, because to my people, the male and female homosexuals of this world, Israel is a world better than Palestine will ever be.

To my kith and kin in Israel, I mention what my guru advised his followers some two thousand years ago: "For what profits a man who gains the world but loses his soul?" Security may be important, but is it worth the cost to one's soul?

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